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Oct. 23, 2024 - Jim Fetzer
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Mike Adams Debates Victor-Hugo Vaca Jr. on Rebellious Art, Zionism, World Events & more
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Alright, welcome to today's interview here on Brighttown.com.
I'm Mike Adams and today we're joined by a very intriguing guest.
First time I've ever spoken with this man and he is an American refugee, a veteran and a refugee currently in the Republic of Georgia.
Previously lived in China, helped expose the COVID fake pandemic, and he's got an incredible story.
He's an artist, and his website is victorhugocollection.com if you want to see some of his art.
I've actually brought up the screen here just to show you just a little bit here.
He's an artist and also an outspoken person on many issues of our day.
Victor Hugo, welcome to the show.
Thank you for joining me today.
Thank you, Mike.
It's nice to meet you, and I want to thank you for promoting free speech with your platform.
It's so important right now during this information war, which is on steroids.
Isn't that the truth?
It makes me realize that hovering over the target and the people that we are exposing are getting very nervous.
Yes, yes.
So what I love about people like you who live internationally, you've lived in many different countries, International Americans have, I think, the most accurate view of what's actually going on.
Because if you just live in America and you just read U.S. news reports and so on, you're not going to get an accurate view.
But you've lived in many different countries.
Please give us a quick intro to who you are, how you ended up where you are now in the Republic of Georgia, and why can't you leave the Republic of Georgia?
Or do you want to?
Just give us your backstory, please.
Okay, first, interestingly enough, I was born in the same hospital as Donald J. Trump, Elmhurst, New York, which is where world headlines came out of because during the fake pandemic, they said at that hospital that there were so many bodies that they needed refrigeration trucks.
So all of a sudden, Elmhurst, which was a little known hospital, was all over the world.
And then I grew up in New York and I moved to Florida.
I lived not far from Mar-a-Lago in Hillsborough Beach, which is called Millionaire's Row.
So I'm very familiar with where the attempted assassination took place.
That's why what has recently happened there is very suspicious because there's no way that that guy could have been hanging out there for so long.
So the reason I'm saying this is because there are events in my life that through no Coincidence have happened that have enabled me as an artist to share stories that would otherwise not be shared.
My job is not to be politically correct.
It is to witness, observe, analyze, and document the beautiful chaos that surrounds us all so that future generations can understand how we got to this moment in time.
And what I realized early on was that most people in the United States are illiterate.
They can't read.
And when I was keeping a blog and writing stories of how when I was a midshipman officer at the United States Naval Academy in the class of 1993 alongside Carter Page, I was being groomed by toxic leadership to be what we have now,
which are traitors at the highest level of not only the U.S. military, But when they leave the U.S. military, they become members of the National Guard, of the Border Patrol, of the police, and of the sheriffs.
So when I realized this, I was like, wow, it turns out we're being groomed for something bigger than this.
If you notice, the class of 1993 made world headlines because I was a whistleblower who witnessed the torture of the midshipmen officers that were there and also the sexual assault of a female midshipman.
So when I witnessed this, I was in a meeting with Vice Admiral Virgil Hill and top people in Washington, D.C., the people behind the scenes that you normally never see.
And what happened was this was back in 1989, 1990, before the Internet with the social networks and everything.
So it was making world headlines in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Miami Herald.
And Vice Admiral Virgil Hill told me, he said, listen, you know, we need to Quiet the story down because it's bringing too much heat on the academy.
And he's like, are you sure you saw what you say you saw?
Because you're the only one who's backing up this girl's story.
And I said, yeah, I saw that.
And so they said, are you sure?
They were basically trying to convince me.
They said, listen, you don't have to lie because I was telling them, I said, our motto is I will not lie, cheat or steal or I will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate anyone who does.
So I said, here you're asking me to lie.
No, no, no, we're not asking you to lie.
We're just saying maybe you should say you don't really recall it that well.
But I remember exactly what I saw, because it was something shocking, really.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but can you tell us how you ended up in the Republic of Georgia?
What's kind of your backstory that brought you to that point where you are today?
Yeah, so what ended up happening was, like I was telling you earlier, I was not really an artist professionally.
I didn't have the training.
But during Hurricane Wilma, I was struck with, at that time, they said it was a tornado that hit the building, the Grandview Palace.
And so the CNN helicopters captured my artwork dangling from the balcony next to a refrigerator.
And the Broadway Gallery in Soho, New York, I saw that image and invited me to exhibit alongside Jeff Koons, who's the Guinness Book of World Record holder for the highest selling art by a living artist.
So it was extraordinary because all of a sudden I went to like the World Cup or the Super Bowl or the World Series of Art.
That got me picked up by New York Arts Magazine in an article and that got picked up by China Arts Magazine.
So the Chinese saw that artwork and they saw that And I had the pressing idea that someday I would be in China and live in China.
Fast forward, the Chinese invited me to exhibit at Art Canton 2019 on a 10-year business visa.
To work as a cultural ambassador through the Modern Art Music Movement, which is the fusion of art, music, film, fashion, literature, and education, fostering peace, love, and compassionate wealth worldwide.
Can I ask you, what are the themes of your art?
Why would China be interested in your art or having you as an ambassador for this?
What are the themes that your art explores, if I could ask?
Yeah, absolutely.
And this is what's so interesting, and this is why I moved to China in peaceful protest, because it turns out they found out that what I was doing was modern art gonzo journalism.
I realized that I was being censored by Judge Donald W. Hefeel, who presided over what's known as the Crackhead Jesus Trials, which he was the judge who presided also over the Jeffrey Epstein case.
For those people who think that Crackhead Jesus is blasphemy, it basically starts from a guy We got high on crack, went to work, got on his desk, proclaimed to all his employees that he was the new Messiah and that they were now his disciples.
At the time, I was a landlord in Florida, and his wife calls me up.
She says, oh my God, my husband lost his job.
He's got a Jesus complex.
He told all his employees that they were his disciples.
So when I went to collect the rent, he opens the door in his white robe and Speedos, And he's like, what are you doing here?
I said, I'm here to collect the rent.
He says, Jesus don't pay the rent.
So I said, unless I get footage of you walking across that pool, Bank of America is not going to believe that I'm renting to the new Messiah.
So he brings me back to the yard next to the pool, sits me down with a bottle of Jack, and he starts explaining to me how he essentially lost his mind because he started realizing what's called the litigation vortex, which is what now the United slaves of America are realizing through these Trump trials, which is that the justice system is corrupt from head to toe.
The judges are corrupt.
The lawyers are all corrupt.
They're all in on it.
He said, I'm going to prove it to you because I'm going to live in your property.
He goes, I'm going to destroy your property.
You're not going to be able to turn off the water, the heat or the electric or change the locks.
If you do, I'll have you arrested.
I couldn't believe it.
But now people are realizing that with these illegal aliens in the United States, It's called Squatter's Rights.
So long story short, when I went before the judge, he didn't believe that my name was really Victor Hugo.
But as it turns out, as I was going up the stairs, the law firm, Alexander Conde and Aaron R. Cohen, they told me, hey, listen, you don't stand a chance.
My father's friends with the judge and the fix is in.
That's why I was like, wow, this is amazing.
These people are so bold.
They're so brash.
And you're seeing this now because they're lying to the United States of America.
They were living in an inverted world full of lies.
They don't even hide the lies anymore.
So when I experienced this, I was like, wow, I've got to let people know.
But the judge told me that I couldn't use his name or likeness or video of this.
I'm also a filmmaker, so I was making a documentary called The Marketing of Peace, and I brought my camera into the courthouse.
He said I couldn't use the camera.
So I petitioned the court for cameras to be allowed in.
I'm the guy who has created that scenario now where you can actually have cameras in the court.
But he said I couldn't talk about, write about it, or use the video, but he never said I couldn't paint about it.
So that's when I started keeping a diary of the world on canvas to circumvent the censorship because I was using clues like this to show the audience.
I started keeping a website Because I knew that my name, Victor Hugo, is the guy who did the La Miserable and Hunchback of Notre Dame.
So as much as they try to censor me, they can't.
Because children are asked to do dissertations on Victor Hugo all over the world at universities and high schools.
And they were getting up and they were doing dissertations on Crackhead Jesus instead of the problem of Hunchback of Notre Dame.
So as much as they try to censor me, they can't.
But the judge, you see, I'm putting his name cryptically.
So every time he tried to put me in jail for contempt of court, I was like, Your Honor, I don't know what you're talking about.
I see kids.
I see letters.
I see the Fibonacci numbers.
One plus one is two.
Two plus three is five.
So he was going crazy.
Anyway, that caught the attention of the Chinese.
The irony is they caught the attention because I was able to subvert The censorship using art, a diary of the world on canvas.
Okay, so hold on.
So art as a form of gonzo journalism, I think our audience would love that overall idea because we do need multiple vectors for freedom of expression.
But let me ask you, I'm looking at the various pieces of art behind you.
One of them says Juice DW something.
Can you?
Yeah.
No, over your other shoulder.
Yeah, Juice.
Yeah.
Yeah, you see?
No, no, no.
Oh, okay, okay.
Well, go ahead.
Describe any of them to us.
You see it up close.
It says judge.
So you see, in order for me to be able to not go to jail because he was going to hold me in contempt of court, I had to make it cryptic.
So when he was like, I see my name, I say, Your Honor, I didn't see your name.
I see a girl because I was trying to bring attention to the pedophilia situation.
Because he was the judge that was essentially protecting Jeffrey Epstein.
He didn't want the court to use the fact that he was a convicted pedophile in the court case that he was presiding over.
So I had all these different things and here's the actual court case because I knew that the people in the future would have cell phones and they would be able to look at the numbers and pull up the court case.
So the Chinese found this fascinating.
Oh, it says judge there.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I thought that said juice.
But now that it's closer, I see it says judge.
Yeah, yeah.
But see, that's cool because it could be interpreted in different ways.
And that's how, you know, art is in the eye of the beholder.
So when the judge was yelling at me, bailiff was standing next to me with his handcuffs and his gun ready to arrest me.
I was like, your honor...
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't see judge.
I see the number five.
I see something that looks like the letter D, but I see kids that are being abused.
So every time I brought up the kids, since he was presiding over the Jeffrey Epstein, he didn't like that because that was bringing attention to him.
Which is exactly what I was trying to do.
I was trying to raise awareness about the abuse of the children.
Let me say a couple of things.
Number one, when I'm looking at your art there, although I can now see the word judge, I don't see any names.
I mean, nothing pops out to me as a person's name, so I'm not seeing that unless I were to study it in more detail.
Or I don't even know the name of the judge.
I mean, I think you mentioned his name, but...
I don't see anybody's name there.
But secondly, are you saying that there's something that he did wrong in the Jeffrey Epstein case?
Yeah, everything was done wrong in the Jeffrey Epstein case.
If you remember in Florida, Jeffrey Epstein was sent to jail at night, but during the day he was able to come out and still sexually assault young girls.
And the guy who was the attorney general who gave him a sweetheart deal, Trump put him in his administration until people found out that that guy was responsible for that horrendous murder.
Yeah, I do recall that Epstein got some kind of crazy deal that wiped away all these complaints or allegations against him, but you're saying Epstein was only jailed at night, but during the day he was free?
He was a free person to walk around?
Yeah, you gotta look into this, Mike, because he was still sexually assaulting young girls We're good to go.
Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I was just going to ask you that question, because I think Epstein is linked to Mossad, and I think that it was a blackmail-gathering operation to get blackmail over all the politicians.
And right now, when I see every senator practically, and every governor practically in the U.S. saying how much they love Israel, I keep wondering, are there Epstein tapes on some of these people?
What's your answer to that?
Wow.
Okay, so here we go with the modern art gods of journalism.
So that got me to China because also another thing you should know is I have synesthesia.
I hear wavelengths and frequencies and color.
So when I started painting this stuff, my artwork was destroyed.
And the Miami Herald captured this and wrote a story about it.
And I was contacted by the, it's called Fish and Grits.
He's from a band called the Two Live Crew.
They said, Victor, we're going on a Freedom of Speech tour because that was the rap band that was arrested in Florida for illicit lyrics or something like that.
So I said, listen, I'm not a performing artist.
I just kind of paint...
Quietly in my own home and that's it.
They said, oh, come on, man, you can do it.
So anyway, I took the chance.
Next thing you know, I'm performing live on stage, traveling from New York to Vegas with bands like members of Bon Jovi, Cheap Trick, the Doobie Brothers, Steely Dan, Tito Puente Jr.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
So the Chinese found out about that.
They said, hey, we watched you to live with us in China and work with the masters.
I was going to be doing a sculpture with the guy who did the sculpture for the Martin Luther King Memorial in D.C. Turns out he's a Chinese.
And he was telling me how blacks were mad because they were like, why did you hire a communist Chinese to do the memorial for Martin Luther King?
Anyway, he and I, before I escaped China because the Wuhan virus broke out, and I received a letter from the U.S. State Department telling me that I had 48 hours to escape.
Otherwise I could be held as a political prisoner or be thrown in jail or I could lose my life and they couldn't help me.
So I escaped two hours before the last border closed on the day that the Wuhan virus whistleblower Dr.
Li Wen-Lang died.
And the borders were all closed.
The only place that I could land was Istanbul, Turkey.
So when I got to Turkey, I escaped with my handler.
When I say handlers, you go to China, there's spies all over the place.
They were making sure that I wasn't CIA. So I had people who may pretend that they were my friends, but they were actually spying on me.
So the way I was able to escape was with Huiping Wang.
But the deal was that I would have to travel all through Europe.
First stop, the Republic of Georgia, go on television, tell everybody not to call it the Chinese virus because that's racist.
And just...
Then I was supposed to go to the Czech Republic.
I was supposed to go to Austria, Holland, Germany, France, England, and then back to the United States.
And I was going to do a TV blitz that the Chinese had set up for me.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on a second.
Whoa.
The whole Pandora's box right there.
So you're saying that this Chinese handler was trying to convince you to go on Western media to deflect blame from China for the pandemic?
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Again, I've got all the stuff in writing.
It's all part of the video diary that I've been keeping because the moment that I went on Georgian television and spoke to the Georgian newspapers, I started telling them the truth, which was that the Chinese have infiltrated every aspect of the United States from the education system to the Senate, Congress, even the White House.
I learned all this because when I was in China, the Chinese are very bold.
They're very brash.
They're not afraid to speak of the way that they control the United States.
But what was interesting was when I went on live TV afterwards, he says, you weren't supposed to say that.
I said, well, you can't tell me what to say or do now.
I'm not in China anymore.
I'm free.
But when the article came out in the Batumi newspaper, Batumi, Georgia, they left out all the stuff that I had mentioned about the Chinese spies infiltrating the United States.
And when I asked the reporter, He said that China pays the newspaper, and since China is paying this country for the New Silk Road, it's called the Belt and Road Initiative.
I'm very familiar with it, yes.
Yeah, this country is a gateway country between Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and the EU. So the reporter basically was saying, listen, I couldn't write about what you were telling me.
And what's interesting is when I escaped China, I was interviewed by a producer in New York for CBS News 60 Minutes.
I spent two hours telling them the story of what was really going on, which is that the pandemic was created by the United States and it was released in order to be able to steal the 2020 election.
But since the story did not fit the narrative, CBS News 60 Minutes never aired it.
Which made me realize, wow, okay, so the media is in on this too.
Well, of course, but hold on.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I've got some things to add to this, and I want to get your reaction too.
So our audience knows very well, yes, the DOD created the SARS-CoV-2, and then in order to bypass restrictions on biological weapons research in the U.S., they offshored it to Wuhan.
So that was essentially a DOD-CIA operation to push it to Wuhan.
China went along with it because they realized they could learn a bunch of secrets of the U.S. weapons development program at the same time.
So everybody was benefiting, so they add gain of function in Wuhan, and then they had new biological weapons, but in the U.S., They didn't even need to release the weapon itself.
All they needed to do was scare people and get people to go to the hospitals where they could kill them with the ventilators and remdesivir, and then ultimately with the depopulation jabs.
The real weapon was the vaccine, not the virus.
Do you agree with that?
Yes.
But what's interesting about that, and Mike, you need to look into this.
As I'm landing here, sitting next to Huiping Wang, my Chinese handler, He says, by the way, did you know that this is where the Lugar Bio Lab is in Tbilisi, Georgia?
It's right next to the airport.
And what happened there is that the...
The ambassadors and the diplomats, they're able to just take whatever bioweapons they give them, put it in their suitcase or briefcase, bypass customs, and then get that from the Lugar bio lab to the Ukraine.
Wow.
So from what I'm told, and this is why people need to investigate this, and nobody's investigating this.
But we know there's bioweapons labs all over what was eastern Ukraine, and this is one of the reasons why the West is fighting so hard to stop Russia, is to protect the bioweapons labs, right?
Yeah, but there's a bioweapons lab here in the Republic of Georgia, and believe me, Putin knows about it.
What's interesting is there's an actual George Bush Boulevard, and the CIA was here, and they were giving a lot of money to this country.
That's basically how the USA works.
They bribe other countries.
Or threaten.
Don't forget the threaten part.
Yeah.
So the bioweapons lab was actually getting sick But they squashed that story as well.
You can find it, though.
I've been reporting on all this stuff.
And I'm surprised that he's been reporting on the Lugar Biolab.
I think Obama was even here to check that stuff out.
We'll take a look at that.
Yeah, thanks for bringing that up.
Yeah, it's L-U-G-A-R. And it's in Tbilisi, Georgia.
Okay.
And you'll see reports about that.
So supposedly, from what Huayping Wang told me, Is that they were able to get the bioweapons from the Lugar Bioweapon Lab to the Ukraine and from the Ukraine to China.
Now, I can't verify that, but like I said, that's what I was told by the Huai Pinguang.
And these people are very bold because they know that the US is compromised.
As a matter of fact, when I was living in China, I saw the Biden laptop with the Hoi Pinguang.
So they've been blackmailing the United States for a very long time.
Now, let me hold on.
Let me add something to that too.
You may not know this, but I lived in Taiwan.
I speak a fair amount of Mandarin Chinese.
I'm very familiar with Chinese culture.
And I got to say, the U.S. leadership is so incompetent at this point.
And the Chinese, ethnically, the Chinese are very intelligent people, as you well know, right?
They're very capable.
Lots of engineers, lots of scientists, lots of builders.
And yes, they're building an infrastructure for world trade.
That's the Belt and Road Initiative, as you said.
And probably they will encompass Taiwan before long.
Even without war, you know, Taiwan is slowly becoming more and more open to doing like a Hong Kong thing, to merging with China.
My point in all of this is that China's probably laughing at how easy it was to subvert American leadership because the American leaders are the dumbest, lowest IQ morons.
Look at Kamala.
Look at Joe Biden.
Look at Antony Blinken.
The whole world is laughing at Blinken.
Wouldn't you agree?
I mean, there's nobody with an IQ in the State Department right now that can even function, whereas the Chinese, they take the best and brightest, while we take the wokest and the most insane and put them in charge.
The whole world's laughing at America right now, wouldn't you say?
Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking ill of the Chinese.
They're doing what the United Slaves of America are allowing to happen.
And it's because of the ignorance.
What happened was when I was in China, I was asking them, you know, why are they doing this?
They said, oh, Victor, this is payback for the opium wars.
I said, yeah, but the opium wars...
That's right.
Yeah, I said, wasn't that the British East India Company and the Dutch East India Company?
They said, yeah, Victor, but what you don't understand is...
The offspring of those families that essentially made the Chinese the way the Chinese are making the Americans with the fentanyl.
That's the payback.
And they said, Victor, those families now have taken over Washington, D.C. So we don't have a problem with the American people, but we have a problem with what's going on in D.C. And then when I was in China, they told me about the Mao Revolution and how the Mao Revolution was created by the Jews or the synagogue of Satan, as they're known.
And now that I'm living here surrounded by Russians, the Russians are also witnessing that the United States is essentially living through the Bolshevik Revolution, especially with the Q, Trust the Plan, which was a psyop in the Operation Trust, which I'm shocked that the, I call them the United Slaves of America or the Junited Slaves of Israel, they haven't figured out that if the patriots were really in control, they wouldn't be allowing these weather weapons to happen.
They wouldn't be allowing the January 6th patriots to be rotting in solitary confinement.
And if Donald Trump was really the commander in chief, he wouldn't be putting on this theater claiming that there's even going to be an election because the military would have already stepped in.
They would have arrested all these people.
They would have held public tribunals and they would have held executions for treason, but that's not happening.
And so what's happening And I can see it clearly from the outside looking in as a veteran American refugee and a patriot.
I love my country.
But through the looking glass, I feel like those people that are in a theater going, hey, listen, you know, like Norman Bates is behind that curtain.
You better get away from there.
Otherwise, he's going to stab you to death.
And the Americans are just busy.
They're like showering, watching like nothing is going on.
They think that Trump is going to save them or something.
You know, well, hold on a second.
Now I understand, Victor Hugo, why you've been banned everywhere, because you're bringing this up.
But let me ask you for clarification.
So are you saying that it's the Communist Chinese that are infiltrating and controlling the highest levels of American government, or are you saying Jews?
And if you're saying Jews...
Jews from where?
Because there are many Jewish Americans that are, you know, just regular everyday Americans.
And I would point out, most Jewish Americans oppose what Israel is doing in the Middle East, as I strongly oppose what the Zionists are doing in the Middle East.
And I make a distinction between, you know, Zionism versus Jewish people.
But I want to ask you for your interpretation, your clarification.
And it's okay to speak freely.
You don't have to agree with me.
That's totally fine.
But I want you to explain where you think things are coming from.
I actually do agree with you.
And I've had a great amount of difficulty, as you say, because of sharing what I've learned from the Chinese and the Russians, who are not politically correct, by the way.
You know, they could care less if you call them racists.
They could care less if you call them anti-Semitic.
When I was living in Guangzhou, and again, I have this on my website.
You can see VictorHugoCollection.com.
Scroll to the bottom.
You'll find my channel on BitChuteRumble.
When I used to go to the subway on the way to the embassy and different meetings that I had, the McDonald's had a sign outside that said, no blacks allowed.
And they use the N-word there in China freely for LeBron James and these basketball players when they show up.
So these guys sell their souls and they know that in China, racism is like an art form.
The only place more racist than China is Israel, which I've also been to.
I've been to Gaza.
I've been to Palestine.
I've been to the West Bank.
I've been to Syria.
I've been to Jordan.
So when I see what's going on in the news, I know that it's a bunch of BS. Now, when I say Jews, and this has a problem because I've had Jewish whistleblowers on my podcast, good people.
Like you said, as an artist, I don't paint with a broad brush.
Sometimes I need a fine brush.
But these people who identify as Jews, listen, I could put this on right now and identify as a Jew, okay?
And that would give me basically the opportunity to say that I can say whatever I want.
It's like Teflon.
Right.
If you think against me, then I can call you an anti-Semite.
As a matter of fact, I've taken it to the next level.
I self-identify as a fat, black, Jewish, lesbian taco trapped in a man's body with Asperger's syndrome.
Oh, well, I think the New Zealand Navy would like to put you in charge of a shipping vessel then.
Yeah, so the thing is, the reason I do that is because the whole political correctness is what's destroyed the United States.
We've got to tap dance around us.
The Jews who are Blinken, Alejandro Mayorkas, Janet Yellen, Merrick Garland, and a big percentage, an inordinate percentage of people in the White House that are destroying systematically, by design, the United States of Israel, they do that so, like me, I can hide behind claiming that I'm a Jew.
And don't forget, FEMA, FDA, and CDC, and NIH officials.
And the military, the health advisor, Richard Levine, who has a mental problem because he thinks he's a woman, he's obviously a man, but we're all supposed to play along with this.
And see, that's where the United States are brainwashed.
The Chinese don't play along with this.
The Russians aren't playing along with this.
That's why they're sitting back and like Sun Tzu, why interfere with your enemy when they're doing a darn good job of destroying themselves?
Well, let me bring up that clearly Antony Blinken is Netanyahu's press secretary, right?
So Blinken doesn't give a crap about America.
And I'm just saying this.
Because obviously what you have just said is going to get a lot of pushback, a lot of obvious criticism.
But I want to point out to the audience that Blinken cares nothing about America.
He does everything for Israel.
Go ahead.
Before anybody claims that I'm anti-Semitic, realize you're anti-Semitic because I'm a Jew.
And if, like Trump said during the election...
When the moderator, who was biased, he said, why are you bringing this up about Kamala Harris being black?
And rather than Trump saying, well, wait a minute, first she claimed that she was Indian.
Now she's claiming that she's black.
No, what he said is, she can be whatever she wants to be.
So Trump is part of this problem, too, because now we're allowing people to do like I'm doing.
I can claim that I'm a, you know, fat black Jewish lesbian taco trapped in a man's body with Asperger's syndrome.
And a Soros Holocaust survivor who dated Anne Frank.
And the reason I do that is because, like Kamala Harris says, age is just a social construct.
So there's actually more Holocaust survivors now than there were back then.
So, I mean, who's kidding who, people?
We need to start getting real and realize that this political correctness is killing America.
And like you said, China and China are laughing at us.
They are laughing at us.
But let me ask you this.
So recently, Trump was hanging out with Ben Shapiro, the same guy that led the anti-Trump movement a few years ago.
Ben Shapiro, who pushed the vaccine jabs and who I consider to be a traitor to the values of America, by the way, that's just my own personal opinion.
But Trump and Ben Shapiro walking around Trump, I don't know, worshipping this rabbi who says that all non-Jews are not human, and Trump saying he's going to ban the First Amendment in America.
This is highly concerning.
And by the way, I plan to vote for Trump because I can't vote for Kamala.
So I'm a Trump supporter, but I have a big issue with these things when he says you're not going to be able to criticize Israel or you'll be arrested and deported.
What's your comment on what Trump is doing with Ben Shapiro?
Well, my comment is I voted for Trump twice, and when it wasn't cool to be MAGA, I was out there promoting Trump and telling people to vote for Trump.
I lost family and friends.
My business suffered.
My art that was in galleries, the owners were contacting me and saying, Victor, you need to stop being public about Trump.
Nobody wants to buy your art because you're a Trump supporter.
And then when the election was stolen, I had my channels banned and the art.
And this is when I was needing help.
Not that I don't need help now.
I'm still a veteran American refugee here.
I'm not getting any help from the Veterans Association.
I haven't gotten any help from the U.S. government.
The U.S. government, when I went to the embassy in Tbilisi, they said I would have to give them my passport because they didn't want me to retain the evidence that I was back and forth in China.
Because otherwise, the story that I'm telling you wouldn't be validated, but I've got the proof.
And they also said they wanted me to sign a repatriation loan, which was going to have to be paid back.
Like what they're doing right now with the people from North Carolina, the hurricane survivors.
Oh, right.
Yeah, we'll give you money, but you have to pay it back.
Yeah, at a higher interest.
And not only that, but it would just get me back at the highest rate to the United States.
And then when I got home, I would be homeless on the street.
Another statistic as a homeless veteran.
And I was like, well, this is disgusting.
You guys are paying illegal aliens.
And I told the staff at the embassy who were standing behind like super thick bulletproof glass and And I was wearing a face mask because you had to to get in there.
And because I had it under my nose, because I knew the face masks don't work, I was Friends with the owner of the company that was making the face masks, and I have video of how the face masks were not even being made in a hygienic manner.
They were falling on the floor and everything.
So that whole stuff was a joke.
Plus, they have more gellons.
Anyway, she was more concerned.
Rather than helping me, she goes, oh, you need to put that face mask up over your nose.
I said, well, if I do that, I'm going to fog up my glasses.
I'm not going to be able to see.
So she's yelling at me, telling me, I've got to take this.
I've got to bring you back on track here.
Okay, I've got to bring you back on track.
Trump.
Now, Trump has promised to at least release the Jeffrey Epstein files.
But the Jeffrey Epstein files, I believe, are controlled by Mossad in order to blackmail politicians in the U.S. And then we've got the Diddy tapes on top of that.
So can you bring this together?
Trump, Epstein, Diddy, what's the dynamic?
And Mossad, what's the dynamic and what's going to happen in your view?
Well, I don't trust Trump because he also said he was going to release the JFK files, the 9-11 stuff he didn't release.
He didn't do a proper investigation into the MGM grand false flag that happened, and if anything, he did the bump stock thing, and he's going after the Second Amendment.
He banned the bump stocks, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he's the wolf in sheep's clothing.
When he talks about that story of the scorpion going across the river or whatever and getting bitten, he laughs because that's him, in my opinion.
And again, I used to be MAGA, but now that I'm looking at it from the outside in, I'm like, whoa, this guy is dangerous.
And the reason why I say he's more dangerous than Kamala Harris getting in It's because he will lead people over the cliff.
Because these people are seeing him, the MAGA cult, the Jews.
They see him as a messiah.
And so they will do whatever he says.
That's why a lot of people trusted him with Operation Trust.
Or Operation Warp Speed.
A lot of people believed him and they took the bioweapon disguised as a vaccine.
That's true.
My father took it.
My father's dead after taking the vaccine.
I'm sorry.
And so...
The point that I'm making is that at least if Kamala Harris gets in, people will realize that the election was stolen.
And that will make people wake up and they will revolt against that.
But if Trump gets in, they're going to have the false idea that he's going to fix things.
He's controlled by Israel.
Okay, let me push back on that, just as a thought experiment.
But Kamala and the Obama-Biden regime, they're Marxists.
They want to destroy America, its Constitution, its Bill of Rights.
They want to have extreme censorship.
Probably they want to arrest Elon Musk, shut down X, ban the Second Amendment, lock up people as political dissidents like they've done all the J6 people.
Whereas Trump won't do those things, but you're right that Trump will be very strongly controlled by Zionist interests.
That's clear at this point.
I mean, he speaks with Israeli flags behind him and an American flag.
I'm like, what country are we in?
You should be speaking for America, not Israel.
What the hell?
But I still say, I'm still voting for Trump.
Kamala, she's like a total destruction political time bomb for America.
That would be my argument.
What do you say to that?
You're almost there, Mike.
You get it.
Absolutely.
100%.
Kamala Harris is that.
Now, look at it.
In another perspective, as a journalist, because you've got to see both sides of the story.
Let's say you're right.
Let's say Trump is the new messiah, the savior that's going to fix America.
Oh, but I don't consider him a messiah, by the way, just to be clear.
No way.
I don't worship people as gods.
Hell no.
Okay, well then let's just say he's a politician who'll keep his word.
Remember he said that he was going to drain the swamp.
Instead of draining the swamp, he brought the swamp right in.
And on his inauguration day, he had people give a standing ovation to Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton.
So realize he put Bill Barr in.
Bill Barr should have investigated this.
Oh gosh, absolutely.
And he put James Comey in.
And Jeff Sessions rolled over for two years and let the deep state steamroll the Trump administration.
So now this is getting back to the P. Diddy and Jeffrey Epstein.
The thing that makes Diddy interesting is that Jeffrey Epstein was able to get the people from the banking, from the CEOs, politicians, and stuff like that.
What he wasn't able to get was the black community.
Now this is what's interesting.
There's a guy named Michael Simpkins, who's the owner of the Club 11, which is where Diddy went to procure his victims.
That was right up the street from his Star Island mansion where the freak-off parties were.
And the Star Island mansion is also right across the water from where the port of Miami is, where the victims were brought in in those cargo ships because you know there's human trafficking going on in the cargo ships.
So there's videotape of P. Diddy that I play in my reports because I've been following this story for over a year now when I made contact with Michael Simpkins.
Because Michael Simpkins tried bringing me in.
My childhood friend from grade school heard about my story.
He says, Victor, I work for the hottest nightclub in the world, Club 11.
People from all over the world want to go to that club from Russia to China, wherever.
You can see Michael Simpkins bragging about this with Jordan Belfort, the guy who was played by Leonardo DiCaprio.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So they're bragging about this.
Mind you also, this is how this all comes together.
Nobody's covering this in the media that's owned by the Jews in the United States because they don't want you to know this.
But I was recently on Russian television, REN TV, and I can assure you the Russians know what's going on.
So check this out.
He also brags on that show with Jordan Belfort that he partnered with Sam Bankman-Fried from FTX to...
Yeah, and so now they're building, mind you, this goes from a nightclub in a black area that was downtrodden, Overtown, Miami, which he went in there, bought the property real cheap, kicked out the black community, created a venue for blacks in the music industry and film industry, Travis Scott, Trey Songz, Drake, P. Diddy and Snoop Dogg and a whole bunch of others.
That's the venue, right?
So they bring in these people and then they end up spiking their drinks.
You can see that there was a lawsuit against Club 11 and Trey Songz and Diddy a couple of years back that, of course, was settled so that they could keep it quiet.
What's in the baby oil?
What is in the baby oil?
It's a lot of baby oil.
Yeah?
What is it?
Yeah, it's not baby oil.
That's a drug that's used to make people pass out and not remember what they're doing.
What ends up happening is, Diddy would take these people over to his island.
They would film these people.
Allegedly, there's even footage of Kamala Harris that supposedly, the Russians are talking about this, that they may release that as the October surprise because Kamala Harris is compromised.
Now, the thing is, whether they release that or not to the American public, it's going to be the same thing as what happened with the Biden, Hunter Biden laptop.
The Russians know it exists.
The Chinese know it exists.
So whether these tapes are released or not doesn't matter.
The Russians and Chinese probably have their hands on it.
Also, there's footage allegedly of Michael Obama.
Everybody knows pretty much that Big Mike is a tranny and has a penis.
And people know that Obama is gay.
If you don't know that, I don't know what to tell you.
But apparently there's footage of that, of Michelle Obama sodomizing Justin Bieber.
So this stuff is so...
But believe it or not, I was working with the Russians on investigating this and it was funny because when the Russians were interviewing me for this story on Diddy, Their eyes were popping out.
They were like, oh my god, there's footage of Michelle Obama sodomizing and raping Justin Bieber.
I'm going to bracket that by saying rumored or allegedly.
I mean, you're getting into areas that get entire platforms banned, as you probably well know.
So I'm just going to bracket that and say that you're making allegations or rumors here.
If that comes out, It'll be astonishing to everybody, you know, historically astonishing.
But clearly what Jeffrey Epstein was doing was on this path, and clearly what Diddy was into was on this path.
It's horrific.
And I'm sorry to interrupt you.
I need to bracket that and say, you know, allegedly.
That's a good journalist.
Thank you, Mike Adams, because that's good journalism and that's what we want to do.
We don't want to spread rumors, but we also don't want people to hide their head in the sand and not realize that whether the U.S. media wants to cover this or not, the Russians and the Chinese are talking about this.
So it's very important for you to know what the outside world is saying about these allegations.
So remember, you know, the same thing they were saying about the Biden laptop.
And now we found out that's true.
And all of this blackmail is, of course, this is the currency of global geopolitics.
Blackmail is the currency.
This is what's used to leverage against the United States.
So if Kamala, if indeed, as you're saying, if Kamala is on any of these tapes, or let's be honest, if somehow Trump were on any of these tapes, either one, this is just a thought experiment, that would...
That would compromise their presidency, obviously.
So these are very important geopolitical issues to consider.
Now, Victor Hugo, we're almost out of time.
Yeah, I need you to wrap this up now in two minutes or less.
What do you want people to take away from this interview?
Look into the association between the Greater Miami Jewish Federation, the Mossad, and Michael Simpkins.
The reason being is because the Moscow attack, they found out during forensic analysis that some of that cryptocurrency came from the United States.
And supposedly what's happened, and people have verified this, some of that FTX money was used to steal the 2020 election.
And Sam Backman-Freed is now sharing a jail cell with Diddy, and he's hired the attorney that Sam Backman-Freed had.
None of this is coincidence, by the way.
And people are starting to look into the affiliation of Mossad with the Greater Miami Jewish Federation and Michael Simpkins and Club 11 being the honey trap that Diddy used to procure his victims for the freak-off parties.
And I also want you to...
That we should never give up.
We should never surrender.
We should keep shining.
Live, love, flow.
Because the United States is not done.
They want you guys to think that.
But you need to be united and you need to stop being so politically correct.
Identify your enemy.
I'm not saying the Jews, but I am saying look into the Talmud.
The Jews who follow the Talmud state that even the best of non-Jews should all be killed.
Show no mercy to the non-Jews.
And Jews may use lies to circumvent the non-Jews.
Finally, we're coming in on Yom Kippur.
Yom Kippur, look into the Kol Nidre prayer.
The Kol Nidre prayer allows Jews to wash themselves of any contract, vow, anathema, or promise that they've made to non-Jews.
That's an issue.
We have to start understanding that these people who identify as Jews are looking to kill those who are non-Jews.
That even includes the Jews.
That's why we're...
That come on my show say they're trying to kill us, too, because these are not the real Jews.
These are people who have hijacked the name of Jew.
Again, like I said, you know, I could put this on and claim to be a Jew, but that doesn't mean I'm a Jew.
But if I want to like, well, we do know Netanyahu is an imposter.
That is true.
But, but I got to push back on, on, on some of what you said.
I just want to say my position, I do not assign nefarious intent to all Jews.
I tend to judge people by their actions solely, regardless of their ethnicity or their religious practices or their skin color.
I am against ethnic supremacy in all its forms.
Which today would include many of the Zionists in Israel who are killing Palestinians.
It would also include slave owners in America a couple centuries ago who believed they owned black people.
Also would include slave owners in ancient Rome who believed they owned people.
I am against ethnic supremacy.
I believe in fundamental human dignity, and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to people of all religions, faiths, and skin colors, including Sikhs and Buddhists and Hindus, everybody.
So I just want to say that for the record.
But what you have said is obviously controversial.
It's intriguing to a lot of people.
And we're going to dig into some of the things that you suggested there.
Is that fair?
That's absolutely fair.
I encourage everybody to doubt every single thing I said.
Like I said, look into that.
And if, Mike, you could put me in contact with Alex Jones, because I would like him to describe to me what a CHICOM looks like, what a deep state looks like, what a Zionist looks like.
Because the thing is, you have to name the enemy.
And it seems like right now the problem in the United States is they don't know who the enemy is.
If I'm sitting at an airport lounge, if I'm sitting at a restaurant, Could Alex Jones point out the Tchicom, the Deep State, the Zionists?
What do these people look like?
When I say it's the Jews...
Yeah, that's an impossible, because it's not just physical characteristics.
And I will name the enemy.
The enemy is Satan, and it's Satan that infiltrates various people, but there are Satanists in every, quote, religion.
There are Satanists running the Christian churches, the megachurches in America, right?
100%.
I think the Pope is a Satanist, by the way.
He's a Jesuit.
The Pope is Jewish, by the way.
Well, he's a Satanist for sure.
But, Victor Hugo, we're out of time.
We have to wrap this up.
This is very fascinating, and I want to thank you for your time today.
Let me give out your website again.
VictorHugoCollection.com is the website for people who want to dig more and also check out some of your artwork or support you, what have you.
Victor Hugo, fascinating conversation slash debate with you here today, but thank you for your time today.
Mike Adams, thank you for supporting free speech.
These are very important things.
These are tough things to talk about, but you have the fortitude and the bravery to bring this to you.
Thank you so much.
You're very welcome.
Thank you for taking the time and be well.
And thank you for joining me.
And to our audience, You may or may not agree with everything that you heard here today.
That's okay.
That's what free speech looks like, folks.
I don't agree with everything we heard today either, but that's also what free speech looks like.
The point of freedom of speech is to have a marketplace of ideas.
You get to judge what ideas you think make sense, what resonates with you, and Victor Hugo is connecting some dots that need to be looked into.
I'm specifically talking about Mossad and Diddy and Epstein.
Start looking into those dots and you will be astonished at where it leads.
But in any case, take it or leave it.
This is what free speech looks like.
And thank you for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com.
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