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The Raw Deal (27 September 2024) with John Carman and special guest, Ron Avery

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	You're so much younger than today.
	I can't believe anything but it helps me anyway.
	I hope now these days are gone and I'm not supposed to tell you what you're doing.
	I'll find a chain of life.
	I'll open up the door.
	Help me if you can, I'm feeling down.
	And I do appreciate you being around.
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	Won't you feel it?
	Please tell me.
	Well, this is Jim Fetzer, your host on Raw Deal right here on Revolution Radio Studio B this 27th day of September 2024 with co-host John Carman.
	We're going to review some international developments, especially in relation to Russia and Ukraine.
	Before we turn to our featured guest today, Ron Avery, who has a new book of special significance to me about my Sandy Hook lawsuit right here in Wisconsin, where Ron has documented how my rights were egregiously violated by the courts.
	Classic case of deprivation of constitutional rights under cover of law.
	Iran's going to have lots to say about it.
	Meanwhile, we begin with some international developments.
	Putin has ordered changes to Russia's nuclear doctrine.
	He suggested several new criteria that would merit a nuclear response.
	RT reporting.
	Russia should update its nuclear doctrine to clearly define circumstance that would prompt Moscow to launch a nuclear strike.
	President Putin told a meeting of the National Security Council on Wednesday.
	He suggested an expanded list of threats that would include reliable information of a major strike being launched against Russia.
	Actually, under international law, if a nation faces an imminent threat, it is allowed to make a preemptory strike.
	So I think what is happening here is Putin's bringing Russia's nuclear doctrine into agreement with what is already international law, very appropriate.
	In the past, Russia has wanted to Have the position of no first use of nuclear strikes, which of course accommodates a peaceful era, but since the United States has abandoned that, Russia can no longer allow itself to be hamstrung by its own policies.
	The list of criteria that would justify use of nuclear deterrent should be expanded in the updated version.
	Aggression against Russia by any non-nuclear state Thinking of Ukraine, of course.
	Supported by nuclear power should be treated as a joint attack.
	Very good. Very appropriate.
	Moscow would also consider resorting to a nuclear response if it gets reliable information about a massive missile or a strike launched by another state against Russia or its closest ally, Belarus, according to Putin.
	The weapons used in an enemy's potential strike could include anything from ballistic to crews to strategic aircraft and drones.
	We reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in case of aggression against Russia and Belarus, the Russian president said, adding, the principle had already been coordinated with Minsk.
	Nuclear weapons may be used if an enemy poses a critical threat to either state's sovereignty through the use of conventional weapons.
	Putin did not elaborate on when changes would take place.
	I guarantee you it will be immediate.
	Senior Russian officials, including Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, have been discussing potential changes in recent months in late August.
	Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the document was being reviewed.
	They can't put it off.
	They gotta do it immediately.
	The threat is immediate and pressing.
	Putin did not elaborate on what changes would take effect.
	Senior officials, including the Deputy Foreign Secretary.
	The Russian leader has long demonstrated rather reserved position on the issue of nuclear weapons.
	Back in June, he hoped.
	It will never come to a nuclear exchange between Moscow and the West.
	But I add, the West has been pushing and pushing and pushing.
	Moscow has no reason to even think about using nuclear weapons, he said at the time, speaking at the St.
	Petersburg International Economic Forum later that month.
	He also stated, Russia did not need to launch a preemptive strike since the enemy is guaranteed to be destroyed in a retaliatory.
	He did not, however, rule out changes to the doctrine at the time.
	Meanwhile, NATO prepares plan for a huge number of casualties in case of World War III scenario with Russia and German military says an invasion could happen this decade, this decade.
	And of course, this is what?
	2024. So he's talking about the decade of the 2020s.
	It's going to happen much, much sooner.
	Mark my words. This talk about a decade is silly.
	NATO is developing a mass evacuation and rescue by any case of future war with Russia, a senior general has declared.
	Lieutenant General Alexander Solofrank, head of NATO Logistic Command, confirmed this week the security bloc is working to ensure it has the operational capability to extract large numbers of wounded troops from the front line.
	Frankly, if it's nuke, there's only going to be ashes.
	There's no point in excavating.
	The German general warned, unlike allies experiencing Afghanistan and Iraq, In all-out war with Russia, we'd likely see NATO incur heavy losses across a huge battlefield, no doubt about it.
	Now here's a map showing how NATO can prepare for a Russian attack.
	I mean, mind you. They want to make out as though this would be Russian aggression.
	No, it's Russian response to endless provocation and a major threat from the West.
	They're talking about improved aerial defenses, Coming from, I think they mean here, the Scandinavian nation.
	The increased supply of long-range weapons.
	I'm talking about France.
	Preparing armies and population for war.
	They're doing that now.
	Prepare logistics of mass casualty evacuation.
	As I say, there's only going to be ash.
	There's not going to be bodies to evacuate.
	Strengthen defenses along Eastern Front, all in response to...
	Russia building up military spot files.
	Russia switching to a wartime economy, which they have done.
	Heavy loss of personnel and surprise in Ukraine.
	Well, yes, but nothing comparable to what Ukraine has lost.
	Iran and North Korea supplying weapons to Russia.
	Just as Russia has provided weapons to...
	Iran, and probably North Korea as well.
	Let me get comment here from John Carman initially, and then if Ron would like to add his opinion, he's welcome.
	John, your thoughts?
	Yeah, that's really hot information here, because we all suffered a potential nuclear event a couple of Saturdays ago.
	But I'm looking at that map, and it's a very valuable map for people to look at.
	Because under what everybody's assuming, they're assuming the war will be fought at a lower level.
	And Putin's already made it clear.
	If Biden signed that document to give these people certain armory and certain type of technology, that's an act of war.
	Which he can act on.
	And those people wouldn't have a chance.
	That's how stupid they are.
	And then they're trying to join NATO, North American Treaty Organization, which apparently has been, you know, corrupted for many years.
	It's just a game.
	You know, they're all going back and forth.
	You got NATO and these other organizations, OAS, Organization of American States or whatever,
	all these different organizations to basically pile up and bully up against anybody they
	want to and make it look like they're having a National Security Council meeting in front
	of the United Nations so they can present a case of some sort.
	Now Netanyahu's getting involved in a bunch of stuff that's war crimes equivalent.
	You know, they don't know when to stop.
	If they keep poking it to bear, you've probably heard that comment, they're going to get bit
	and they won't like it.
	They won't be able to even think about it because they'll be gone.
	I've got my own Russian context, too, back there.
	I agree 100%, John.
	I mean, they're begging for this.
	They want it. I think actually the...
	The Zionists who are running the Ukraine op and dominate NATO and the U.S. want war between the U.S. and Russia.
	I think it may even qualify as part of their depopulation agenda, which is supposed to culminate in one world government from Jerusalem by Israeli Jewish supremacists, each of whom has 2,800 personal slaves.
	I think that's how they arrive at a 500 million ideal population for the world.
	Wrong! With your concern for lawful government, and we don't have a lot of it in the world today.
	Your thoughts? Yes, it does seem to be rather apparent that, in my mind, this is a synagogan event.
	The head of the Ukraine is a synagogan.
	Netanahu is a synagogue.
	And I use that word because they're really not Jews.
	That's the biggest mistake we make in the very beginning is calling these people Jews.
	The entire New Testament is clear that these people that deny Christ Jesus as King of Kings and Lord and Savior of the world are not Jewish.
	I mean, a quick scripture quote is Galatians 3.16.
	So what we're fighting here, what we're seeing here is a satanic, the synagogue of Satan is manipulating the world the way they want it to be.
	They're trying to build their own kingdom, as you said, in Israel, this place called Israel.
	It's really Palestine. And I think the Ukraine was cranked up Just to dilute Russia's response to what they would be doing to the Gazans and the West Bank and all of that.
	So they have two fronts.
	These Synagogans have two war fronts they've created.
	And they're just trying to expand their capital to be the Old Testament version of Israel, to take the greater Israel back.
	And God took it from them to start with.
	In 70 AD, Jesus said, I leave your house desolate, and no stone will be left upon another, and you will be laid flat with your children, because you did not know the time of your visitation, essentially by God in the flesh, which is Christ Jesus.
	That's what we're dealing with.
	These people are living under the wrath of God.
	Ron, those are such exceptionally good points.
	I love it. Wonderful.
	John, your thoughts? I had a question, Ron.
	Could you say that those particular Jews were Khazarians?
	Or what? Zionist?
	No, Kazarian.
	No, no. And let me tell you, this is something I've been fighting for 15 years.
	People have done all kinds of research on, are they from Kazaria?
	Are they from Ethiopia?
	And, oh, it's really the Ethiopian Jews, not the Hebrew Jews that are the bad ones.
	Or the Ashkenazi Jews.
	Yeah, what they're trying to say is that people that have a pedigree, a real good pedigree, back to Abraham, are the good Jews.
	And all these others are the bad Jews, the Zionists and all of that that are doing the Israel thing.
	Ex-nay on that.
	The New Testament says, if you reject the King of Kings and Lord of Lords...
	You ain't Jewish, and you ain't the son of Abraham.
	So that whole thing is canceled.
	I don't care where they're from.
	I don't care who their mama is, who their daddy is.
	It is irrelevant.
	If they don't declare that Christ Jesus is the Lord of their life, then they are not Jewish, period.
	Can I ask a question about this?
	I don't get into the religious stuff too much, although I have studied for years.
	And I took Eastern religions and was taught by a rabbi when I was up at China Lake Ridgecrest.
	And I've studied the missing years of Jesus and all kinds of things since I was a kid.
	But it seems like they're always trying to twist it around.
	And typically, the general idea is Jews will not acknowledge Jesus.
	Or they won't acknowledge He's a Messiah.
	The Messiah will never come in their belief system.
	But even the Muslims acknowledge that Jesus was a great prophet, son of Mary.
	So I go, okay, good.
	They're acknowledging Him something.
	But, you know, it's like in stages.
	Messenger, prophet, son of God, God, you know, all the other categories.
	So I'm going, well, either way, if they won't acknowledge it, We're up on an uphill battle because I've never seen so much stuff.
	And I'm 71, Ron.
	I don't know how old you are.
	Maybe you're junior to me or a little bit older.
	I don't know. But a lot of the information is being twisted around.
	A lot of those people, they don't care about what's going on.
	I mean, even the Jewish faith, Orthodox Jews or whatever Jews, I've met good ones.
	I've met bad ones. I used to protect Menachem Begin and the Israeli embassy when I was Secret Service and worked at the White House when I was Secret Service.
	But it's like all these ideas It's that they're trying to promulgate some sort of a belief system.
	If you're a Goy, and I heard that comment, the infamous Abe Finkelstein and whatever the other gentleman's name, he's passed away.
	He says, yeah, George Bush Jr.
	was a good Goy because he got them lots of good stuff.
	But still, they can lie, cheat, steal...
	Injure, maybe even kill a Goy who's non-Jew, and even in the Muslim faith, they can lie to you under tequila law.
	And I go, where's the thing in the Christian Bible that says we get to lie to them?
	It's not there.
	And let me simplify this for everybody because it really is very simple.
	I'll tell you what Galatians 3.16 actually says.
	It says that there's only one seed of Abraham, not many, not two, not six, not twelve, not a million, not six million, not thirty-six million.
	One person is the seed of Abraham, Christ Jesus.
	So these people deny Christ Jesus.
	These people that are running around screaming anti-Semitism and I'm Jewish are absolute liars because they are rejecting the seed of Abraham.
	And if you ain't a seed of Abraham, you ain't Jewish.
	And you see there's only one seed, and that being Christ Jesus.
	They reject him out front and overtly.
	Then they can't be the sons of Abraham.
	The children of Abraham are Jewish.
	So it's a lie from the very beginning.
	And as soon as you call him a Jew, you've stepped in it already.
	Yes. You've made the first essential mistake.
	By the way, I used to study the Shroud of Turin.
	There's also a smock, a seamless smock that Jesus had.
	They have it on display somewhere.
	And they get into the DNA part, and they're trying to break it down piece by piece as to how they do it.
	They said, oh, Mary was actually raped by a Tiberian such-and-such black soldier thing, Roman.
	But Ron Wyatt, who I studied extensively, he got DNA from the Rock of Golgotha down at the Mercy Seat, and they tested it through Hebrew scientists.
	23 X chromosomes from the mother Mary, one Y chromosome from an unknown angelic or God-like other entity.
	Therefore, it wasn't a human.
	Or 23X, 23Y, 46 total on a human.
	So it kind of knocks their theory down when they try to go the other way.
	But they're making such a big secret about it, even the Vatican's covering up information about photographs of the actual burial cloth and all the other details because DNA knocks it right down.
	You know, biblical code and stuff like that.
	They claim that they've got it in a Bible code.
	Let me intervene here as an agnostic.
	I don't have a theological stance, but I must say I do believe the Shroud of Turin is authentic.
	And all this discussion, even though I don't have a dog in the fight, it's important because wars are being fought over this.
	You know, a declaration of possession of Earth is being fought over this.
	So we have to understand what's going on.
	Whether you regard the beliefs of true or false, they are held fervently and are being used to motivate actions in the world involving mass murder, genocide, potentially nuclear war.
	So stand by.
	It's all important for us to understand.
	Meanwhile, We have Zelensky going to the UN with the Jew Blinken saying Russia must offer unconditional surrender.
	This is one of those cases that trying to win on the negotiating field what you cannot win on the battlefield.
	Ukraine President at the UN Security Council.
	Putin! Putin!
	Has broken so many international norms and rules that he won't stop on his own.
	Russia can only be forced into peace, and that's exactly what's needed.
	Forcing Russia into peace as the sole aggressor in this war, the sole violator of the UN Charter, I mean Putin.
	What a crock!
	Every assertion he's making here is true of Ukraine and untrue of Russia.
	Zelensky had to bring a translator to the media because he got on stage and just started winking like a pig.
	He's Jewish, by the way.
	I don't know if you knew that.
	But this guy Greenberg, Zelensky, is deeply Jewish.
	He's the ultimate Jew, having seized control of a Russian breakaway nation and used that nation to attack the mother country, killing Russians on both sides.
	Remember, this all began because Russia sought to intervene to protect the ethnic Russians in the Donbass Party, Ukraine, which were coming under attack after the coup foistered by Victoria Nuland using $5 billion in American taxpayer money.
	To depose a Russian-friendly president and install a puppet of whom Zelensky is a successor.
	Jews hate Germans and Palestinians, but they hate the Russians most of all.
	If Zelensky and his Jewish backers in America have their way, they would turn Moscow into Gaza, Reuters.
	Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky told the UN Security Council Tuesday the war between Russia and Ukraine cannot be calmed by talks alone, but that Moscow, Moscow, must be forced into peace.
	Mind you, Moscow has made peace proposals in the past that were rejected by the West.
	Zelensky has sought the support of Western leaders for what he calls a victory plan.
	Then the war that began when Russia launched a full-scale invasion of his country in February 2022.
	Well, Russia never launched a full-scale invasion of his country.
	It was a special military operation.
	To protect the population of the Donbass.
	And you may or may not recall the Minsk Accord was a peace agreement for its settlement that the West entered insincerely in order to gain time to arm up Ukraine for what they viewed would be a defeat of Russia.
	He doesn't have a plan.
	He's going for unconditional surrender, which a losing nation has never done in history.
	U.S. and Russia demanded unconditional surrender from Germany only after it was effectively impossible for Germany to win the war.
	Their goal was to permanently enslave the German people under the Jewish yoke.
	Ukraine has consistently lost the war for nearly three years, while Zelensky has maintained the demand of unconditional surrender, complete withdrawal, surrendering all the property, even Crimea, and reparations.
	I mean, it's absurd.
	His backers are now apparently opening the door for negotiations, so he's going out and reaffirming he wants none of it.
	Zelensky said the war would end one day, but not because someone got tired of it or threw a trade with Putin.
	A reverend to propose those Ukraine cedes some territory seized by Russia to settle a conflict.
	This war can't be combed by talks.
	Action is needed, Zelensky said.
	Thank you, nations who provided Ukraine support.
	Putin has broken so many international norms and rules that he won't stop on his own.
	Russia can only be forced into peace.
	That's exactly what's needed, forcing Russia into peace.
	As the sole aggressor in this war, the sole violator of the UN Charter, Absolute baloney poppycock.
	Zelensky said if his plan were backed by the West, it would have broad impact on Moscow, including a psychological one that could help compel Putin to end the war diplomatically.
	Well, gee, did he miss the memo?
	Because Putin sought to end the war peacefully, repeatedly.
	Zelensky said little so far about his victory plan.
	I tell you what it is.
	Complete Western withdrawal and ceding back all the territory and reparations, as I've sketched before.
	That would act as a bridge to a second Ukraine-led summit on peace, where Kiev wants to hold and invite Russia to later this year.
	Yeah, how can you have a peace meeting as they did before and not invite one of the belligerents?
	This is how he wanted to keep playing his cards, if this is how.
	He should have thought that before he invaded Kursk.
	That was an unforced error that really sped up the timeline on how much longer he can keep going within this scam war because Kursk is a part of Russia proper.
	He was never going to win.
	That was always ridiculous and goofy.
	But he could have kept it rolling for another year or so if he'd not sabotaged his entire war effort by sending his best people to invade Russia for literally no reason.
	These people are sick.
	Here's Concerted Citizen tweeting, Voldemort Zelensky is in Scranton, Pennsylvania, signing bombs in a weapon manufacturing facility.
	This is almost as weird as when Ben Stiller and company visited Zelensky in Ukraine.
	The whole thing is an absolute circus.
	And look at this. You got Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, yes, he's Jewish, signing a bomb as Zelensky and the crowd applauded, disturbing.
	I believe Shapiro, by the way, was involved in approving the Butler attempt to assassinate Trump.
	Meanwhile, here are some of the latest developments that ought to be sobering.
	We will use tactical weapons, Russia warns NATO. New RF satellite launch, what is it?
	It's got to be an anti-satellite satellite because the first act of the world will be to take out the NATO satellites.
	Russian troop masks on Ukraine's northern border for possible new offensive.
	They could take Kiev virtually overnight.
	Scott Ritter. We almost went to war with Russia on Saturday.
	That's when the West was still threatening to launch the storm's shadows.
	Putin declared it would be an act of war.
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	Well, I'm back.
	This is John.
	Hey, did you see the text message I sent?
	Ronald? I guess we're waiting on Jim right now.
	Did you see the text message?
	Yes. Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I read it. Yeah.
	Okay. I don't get into that stuff too much, but I do.
	You know what I mean? Well, I can tell you're into it pretty good, if you could say that.
	Yeah. No, I have a guy I used to talk to, did do Gematreon stuff, and I would come up on stuff like license plates with 666 and all kinds of numbers, like my number's 13, and then the thing with Trump, they tried to kill him on the 13th.
	But now that Jim's back, I wanted to ask if he...
	Well done, my co-host.
	Well done. We have a visiting daughter and I was distracted.
	Go for it. Oh.
	Well, I was going to ask the question because...
	Profile what we were talking about what you're reading about the Ukrainian-Russian war thing. I say that as a
	distraction. I See it as a proxy war. This is what the deep state does. Oh,
	no, don't look at Israel. Look over there We've got something going on with Russia and the Ukraine
	But they're properly going through this procedure of getting rid of the Golden Dome
	Sacrificing the Red Heifers because they're going to start a new temple and all that stuff and it has been destroyed
	yet Thank you.
	Well, let me say, it's becoming increasingly obvious that it's one war on two different fronts, because Ukraine has sent down fighters in Syria on behalf of Israel, you know, against Iranian proxies, and Israel has set forces up there to construct an iron dome over Kiev.
	I mean, it won't stop the hypersonic missiles anyway.
	So, I mean, it's becoming increasingly obvious this is a Jewish war.
	Synagogues war. Thank you, Jim.
	Yeah. Synagogues war against Russia.
	I'll call you back to you.
	Thanks. Synagogues war as it's devolving.
	Here are a couple more stories before we get to Ron's book, which I'm eager to do.
	The British Prime Minister and NATO Secretary General say Putin's red line can be ignored because he never enforces them.
	This is Paul Greg Roberts.
	I alluded to this before.
	There have been many red lines declared by Putin before.
	He's not escalated, said the Secretary General.
	Stoltenberg. As I warned Paul Craig Robert, Putin declared Wolf, Paul Wolf so many
	times no one believes him when he's finally serious except perhaps the US
	military. The Pentagon seemed to have told the White House and Secretary of
	State to stand down from approving the use of long-range missiles to attack
	Russia otherwise. We're on the verge of nuclear war.
	Well, it hasn't changed.
	We're on the verge of nuclear war.
	Russia has slammed NATO's reckless rejection of Putin's red line.
	Moscow Kremlin spoke when Dmitry Peskov stated Wednesday dismissing Putin's warnings about the danger of Ukraine using Western weapons to attack Russian territory is both provocative and perilous.
	Such an ostentatious desire not to take seriously the statements of the Russian president is an absolutely short-sighted and unprofessional step.
	Lavrov! On possible U.S. long-range missile supply to Kiev or red lines, no joke.
	That's way back from the 4th of September.
	Meanwhile, Secretary General Jan Stoltenberg denied in an interview that allowing Ukraine to use long-range weapons to strike deep wood across the country's red line.
	There have been many red lines declared by him, and he's not escalated, meaning also involving NATO allies directly in the conflict.
	He says he supports the UK and France in their decision to lift restrictions on Kiev's use of long-range weapons against Russia.
	He argued that by their use, Ukraine would not draw the alliance into conflict with Russia, which is just about as irresponsible and as absurd as it gets.
	Putin said NATO countries were essentially deciding whether to get directly involved.
	He warned direct participation would change the nature of the conflict and force Russia to respond.
	Meanwhile, the Hungarian foreign minister stated Hungary is concerned About the potential use of long-range arms to strike Russia, which would contradict Europe's security interests and the risk of escalation.
	What is this North Atlantic Treaty Organization?
	It's supposed to be a defensive pact, but it's gone all in with regard to Russia.
	He emphasized, Hungary's interested in peace and every step that threatens escalation makes us concerned.
	Meanwhile, a NATO secret operation in headquarters in Kiev has been destroyed by Russia.
	Pointed at preliminary data, more than two dozen military and infrastructure facilities were subject to Russian strikes.
	One target, a secret NATO op center, was destroyed.
	Heavy, long-range attack drones hit arsenals.
	Areas of troop deployment, sites with armored vehicles and fuel storage.
	From Karakhov to Ivankov-Frankersk, at midnight arrived air raid sirens howled in Ukraine, and Russian Terranian drones attacked Ukrainian military facilities throughout the country.
	Get this. Russia has sunk a NATO ship full of ballistic and cruise missiles intended for Ukraine.
	Looks to me like they're upping the ante and getting far more aggressive, and it ain't gonna stop.
	John, your thoughts? Here we go.
	Yeah, I was listening and watching carefully on this.
	Are you familiar with the old test ban treaties years and years and years ago?
	Of course. And eventually, I guess some of the countries like maybe China, Russia, maybe, you know, Rocketman, Kim Jong-un, they wouldn't participate in it because basically they're saying, hey, you can't go around testing your firearms for defense.
	We're going to control that.
	And if they could control you having access like Iran because of Obama giving all that money to them, that's crazy.
	So they're going to be the gangbanger on the block.
	And start wars and stuff, there's no control.
	It doesn't work.
	The test ban treaties and the other treaties after that, if you join NATO or one of these organizations, then you have to shut down or do whatever.
	And I disagree with that policy.
	Let me say one of the reasons that Joint Chiefs threw in on the assassination of JFK was because he'd signed an above-ground test ban treaty with the Soviet Union.
	I mean, obviously, Jack was in the right and the military in the wrong, but they went ahead and took him out anyway.
	Ron, your thoughts? Yeah, I don't even...
	I don't know where these...
	I guess all this stuff was post-World War II, but NATO, if you think about it, is North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
	Well, there's no such...
	A treaty is not an organization.
	If you have an organization, you have a government.
	You have a governmental body.
	Well, what Americans signed any constitution?
	Where did our forefathers permit?
	Where is the amendment for the United States or any to join an organization?
	I mean, It should be the North Atlantic Treaty, period.
	If it's an organization, that means they're all scheming, and it's changing daily, and they're thinking about it and making decisions, and we're not part of it.
	And of course, that's exactly what's happening.
	The UN threw a treaty, Ron, so go right ahead.
	Yeah, well, the same thing applies to the UN. These things are totally unlawful.
	It's like a tea club.
	How did a tea and coffee club end up with all this authority to be doing these things and creating wars all around the world?
	I mean, it's absurd.
	People are so ignorant about what lawful government is today, they don't recognize abject tyranny when it slaps them in the face.
	How about the World Economic Forum?
	There's another one. Yeah, well, yeah.
	Yeah. And that's rising.
	They haven't, you know, they're rising, but NATO, boy, they've been busy actually creating wars.
	And with whose permission?
	Not the American people or their representatives.
	See, that whole thing is unlawful.
	Treaties are not organizations.
	Period. Biden just gave $8 billion to the 18 in Ukraine.
	I thought it was 84.
	It's just 18. I'm not sure I got the story here.
	I'll take 8 billion. I could use it.
	Yeah. No, there's Ron's book we're going to turn to momentarily.
	But further thoughts here?
	I mean, The very day that Putin is saying, you know, we're risking nuclear war with this long range, Biden gives them billions more.
	And how many billions are they giving to the illegals who are flooding the country and destroying America?
	Honestly, I don't think we can ever recover from what's already happened.
	What's your thought, Ron?
	Well, unfortunately, I kind of agree with you.
	I don't...
	A lot of people are excited about Trump, but Trump has the same problem that Biden and the others do.
	When it comes to the synagogans, we don't have a candidate that, except, I cannot believe, and I love this, when Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
	joined with Trump, that was a good sign to me because he said in public, That we need to get the neocons out of our foreign policy.
	Well, yeah, he's talking about synagogues.
	That's who created that whole neocon thing.
	That was a synagogue and program.
	And so essentially he's saying we need to get those synagogues out of the Pentagon.
	And I say, amen, faster, the better.
	So that is an optimistic thing to me.
	So I kind of like what could happen here.
	But I don't like the way sometimes Trump talks, and I don't like the fact that this Miriam...
	Adelson.
	Adelson, yeah.
	He's supposedly given $100 million to his campaign in exchange for him somehow arranging the West Bank to become annexed by the unlawful state of Israel.
	So that I don't think is pretty at all.
	So I don't know what to think about it.
	Well, I agree 100%.
	He's made some outrageous statements.
	And yet when you contemplate the alternative, What choice do we have?
	You know, I mean, it's risky, but it's clear that there's no doubt about it, 100% guaranteed with Harris and Walsh.
	I mean, it's just a disgrace.
	We're confronted with this quality of choice, John.
	Isn't that something? Well, I was trying to gather my thought on that.
	You're aware that Tulsi Gabbard also...
	Join the team.
	I kind of like Tulsi. I think she would be a really good candidate for vice president.
	He was my candidate for VP. I won Trump and Tulsi.
	Tulsi Trump. I've had a great ring to it.
	Yeah, it has a nice rhyme.
	You know, VD, VD Vance, VD. He could sit off to the side, you know.
	But there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes.
	They targeted Tulsi just to give her a fair piece of information on flights.
	Just like almost to the next step, she's on a no-fly list, just like Scott Ritter.
	You know, I don't want to have discussed what I might be, because I'm not going to travel right now in that way.
	But that's what they do to whistleblowers.
	But all this stuff's being tied in, and nobody seems to be spotting it.
	You know, the profiling, the indicators are all there.
	So we're still being brought along.
	And they always sugarcoat stuff, Ron.
	They always sugarcoat the words.
	They don't say what they really mean.
	They always say stuff like, they need to be held accountable.
	In my world, when I was an enforcement person with a badge and a gun, I arrest people for a living.
	There's some people that need to be arrested and charged with high treason regarding the Butler assassination attempt on the 13th of July.
	And those guys had connections to the Ukraine.
	Like this Peter Riddle, Ryan Wesley Routh, R-O-U-T-H, and then the guy they claim is Crooks.
	That's not the guy that was killed on the rooftop.
	It was Yurik. Crooks got away.
	He was a spotter. He got away.
	They're going to keep running that lone male gun to them.
	Wow. As Mike Adams has said, the only way he knew the second gunman on the golf course where Trump would be is information coming from DHS. DHS tells the FBI who is running the assassins and now they put a guy in charge of the assassination investigation who's an anti-Trump or hates Trump.
	I believe he actually is a guy who plotted the assassination, who'd better to put in charge of investigating.
	This is just like with regard to 9-11.
	They put Philip Zelikow in charge of the 9-11 commission when Philip Zelikow had his area of academic specialization before he took the role, the creation and maintenance of public myths.
	And that's what he got. I believe he wrote the script for 9-11.
	So who better to cover it up?
	FBI is following the same game plan.
	John, your thoughts? I was going to support you in that statement because I agree with you 100%.
	Because being former Secret Service, I get information.
	I'm like obligated to call my agency, former agency.
	Talk to them, tell them about what I know or what I heard.
	I've been telling them stuff for years anyway, even the drones back in 1991.
	But I was recently told by a duty agent, I won't mention names, says, John, you have to call the FBI because they're the lead agency on the investigation.
	I said, yeah, but you can still take the information anyway, but I'm not talking to the FBI. It's exactly what you just said.
	Totally corrupt. And I think that's when the reason they know Crump is going to clean the house and a lot of them are going to go to jail.
	So they're desperate to get rid of him before he gets rid of them.
	Ron, your thoughts? Well, I like your optimism, and I want to be optimistic, too.
	I like it, and I don't know if it's going to happen, but I do have a pretty good feeling about it.
	Trump is not really saying everything he's going to do, and he also is a negotiator.
	He likes to negotiate, so I think that's a good thing.
	And when he's got Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard, like you say, I think these are just nothing but good signs.
	So I'm just going to kind of read the signs more than what sometimes they're even saying themselves.
	Yes, yes, that's right.
	Look at his actions rather than his words.
	Meanwhile... I'm fascinated by your new book, which I have read, which I do like.
	Ron, tell us about the judicial plundering of Dr.
	James H. Fetzer, co-editor and co-author of the book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	Well, this is a chronicle of your treatment in the Wisconsin judicial system right there in Madison, Wisconsin, and all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States Up until pretty much the present.
	And this continues.
	It's still continuing.
	So it talks about the different procedures that The first one, the worst one, of course, is the procedure that they used to find you guilty or liable for defamation, which was a summary judgment.
	And the procedure they used, when I first heard about this summary judgment, I was astonished.
	Because I've had summary judgments against me in Texas, and I've been thrown out of court, and we appealed them and reversed them.
	And so I learned a lot about summary judgments and how they operate.
	But it turns out that the rules for summary judgment are different in different states.
	And the rules in Wisconsin are different than the ones in Texas.
	But what I discovered is that the rules...
	In Wisconsin cannot be sound.
	They are unsound rules.
	Because the main thing about a summary judgment is that it can deny someone's right to a trial by jury.
	And the one that's at risk of losing their right to a trial by jury is the non-movent.
	And in this case, Fetzer is the non-movent.
	The movement is the one that filed a motion for summary judgment.
	That'd be positive. Let me just show the background for those who may be unfamiliar.
	The idea of a summary judgment was introduced, what, around 1971?
	It's relatively recent.
	That's very good, yeah.
	At the time and expense of conducting a jury trial, if there are no disputed facts.
	Now, as is commonly understood, juries determine facts, judges apply the law.
	So if there are no facts to determine because both parties agree on the facts, why not just simplify, have the judge make a ruling?
	Well, what happened in this case is the judge excluded all the proof I had by not admitting it as evidence to artificially concoct a situation of no dispute in facts, even though I was disputing every aspect of the case.
	Ron, back to you, my friend.
	I could get into some more detail like that, but the main thing is that in a motion for summary judgment, the judge must take all evidence submitted by the non-movement as true.
	That way, he's assured that if he grants a motion for summary judgment, he has not cheated the non-moving out of a trial by jury.
	So, anyway, this judge, though, comes up with this ridiculous rule that says...
	He says, Mr.
	Fetzer, you've gone an extra step.
	You're talking about things outside these death certificates.
	Well, first of all, let's say this whole suit was about a death certificate, a piece of paper.
	And what Dr.
	Fetzer had seen and responded to and said was fake, It was an incomplete death certificate, and it was proven to be incomplete by Posner himself because when he filed a suit against Fetzer, he attached another death certificate to the complaint that was incomplete.
	At least more complete.
	It had the seal of the state and the vital records, and it had a number.
	It had a state, I guess it was a state file number.
	Yeah, town and state certification and state file number.
	But the town certification, is this accurate in relation to the Medical examiner's statement of cause of death, and the town, the state that it's a true copy of the accurate as certified by the town when a file number is assigned, yes. So you get an accurate copy when you obtain one with both of those seals for certifications.
	So that's what the whole suit was about.
	They sued him for saying a particular piece of paper that didn't have all those things on it was a fake.
	Then when they sued him, they showed a different document that had this information on there.
	Well, any judge in his right mind would have said, well, wait a minute.
	We're not talking about apples and apples.
	We're talking about apples and oranges.
	You can't sue somebody For saying that this incomplete one that you have here is the same one as this complete one over here you've sued him for.
	So what I'm going to do is I'm going to dismiss your case with prejudice because you don't have anything here.
	He has done nothing and this proves it.
	You've proven he has done nothing.
	So that's what should have been done.
	So it's easy to say that this was a bait and switch deal where they bait you with one thing and then zap you with another.
	Hey, Ronald, what jurisdiction was that again?
	What's what? What jurisdiction was that located at?
	Wisconsin? Yeah.
	No, I was thinking because you brought up Texas.
	If you're familiar with the Scalia death, a U.S. marshal made a phone call To a coroner, which was two or three or four counties over, and all that guy did was say, does he look dead?
	Yeah, U.S. Marshal, yeah, he looks dead.
	Okay, we'll write up a death certificate and we'll do it that way.
	That's not how it's supposed to be done.
	It was clearly murdered.
	There's no doubt about it.
	Outrageous. They got away with it effortlessly.
	Just stunning. This was Dane County.
	This was a Dane County courthouse located in the courthouse in Madison, Wisconsin, where this travesty took place.
	Wrong. Well, you know, then Dr.
	Fetzer had submitted a lot of, you know, a lot of evidence in his favor that the event of Sandy Hook actually did not take place, that it was a FEMA exercise, and no one was killed there.
	And so... But what the judge did, he said, well, you know, you've gone an extra step with that because all I'm interested in is these death certificates, and you're giving me information about Sandy Hook, and I don't care whether you think Sandy Hook happened or not or what anybody, that's for another time and another place.
	All I care about is these documents.
	Well, okay, so he established the rule, but guess what?
	He didn't apply it to Posner.
	He only applied it to Fetzer.
	Because had he applied it to Posner, he said, what are you bringing this DNA information in here for?
	That doesn't have anything to do with these two pieces of paper.
	What are you talking about bringing in some kind of guy that treated your son for coal back a couple of years ago?
	What is that? Get rid of that stuff.
	And what about the...
	What do you mean, handle him at a funeral?
	You had a funeral. Who cares?
	What we're interested in is these documents legitimate.
	Well, of course, if he had applied his stupid rule that he applied to Fetzer, to Posner, they would have never figured out anything about the pieces of paper.
	You're making a wonderful, wonderful point.
	Which I hadn't really pondered, but you're absolutely right.
	I mean, it was a classic case of special pleading.
	You allow only the evidence favorable to your side to be allowed, and the judge was clearly favoring the plaintiff in this case, disallowing all my evidence.
	But it should have reduced forensic document experts.
	Where I had two who certified that the death certificate was fake, and they had none.
	They were undisputed.
	It should have just boiled down to that, Ron.
	We should have been our forensic document experts, and it should have been restricted to that.
	You make a great point here.
	There are over 600 documents in this case now.
	I mean, it's just expanded for years.
	It was initially filed in 2018, and it continues to this day.
	Well, I believe that's why you could possibly say...
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	Well, John, John Messick, he's familiar with Posner, but he may be thinking of Gerald Posner,
	who wrote a book called Kate's Clothes about JFK.
	This is Leonard Posner, POZNR.
	Thank you. Not the same guy whose real name is Ruben Vabner.
	No, it's just this Noah Posner is a fiction, and I demonstrated this.
	He was made up out of photographs of Reuben Vabner's younger son, Michael Vabner, when he was a child.
	He was extremely photogenic.
	They created the fictional character Noah Posner out of photographs of Michael Vabner when he was a child.
	I even had that proof submitted to the court, and he simply ignored it, set it aside.
	I mean, Ron, you know, the egregiousness of this case, it boggles the mind.
	Yes. One thing that some people have asked me about in the book is they're kind of astonished at how Posner was able to take...
	Dr. Fetzer's common law interest in the copyright to the book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	And that is exceedingly, it's unprecedented is what it is.
	There's no precedent to that manner of taking intellectual property or in fact any kind of property.
	What the judge did was allow Posner to assign a value to the book, to Posner.
	And all he did then was deduct that amount from what the Let me clarify one thing.
	They did call a jury, but the jury was only to determine damages, not liability.
	So liability was found against Fetzer by a faulty summary judgment.
	Then they called in a jury to figure the damages.
	And the damages they found to be $450,000.
	And so... What?
	Yeah, that's right. Well, of course, that's another whole thing, too.
	And I get into that in this book, too.
	Is the way they ran the trial, which was very...
	First of all, it shouldn't have even had a trial on it because he wasn't guilty of defamation.
	Then when they did have a trial, they ran it slipshod.
	They lit a lot of information in, a lot of testimony.
	It should not have been heard.
	You said they had a portrait of him.
	Actually, it was an image projected right on the wall of the courtroom, Ron.
	He has a slide projector, a projected image of little Noah right there on the wall.
	I mean, talk about biasing a jury.
	You can't do that.
	I mean, you can't do that.
	And one of the attorneys for Poster came in and had fake tears about it.
	I mean, it was totally fraudulent.
	She knew this little boy was actually Michael Vabner who was alive and well and doing stand-up comedy in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and threw her tears.
	You know, a lawyer might have said, Unless they can connect that photograph you have hanging on the wall to his damages, then you got to remove that because we're talking about his damages.
	How has that photograph harmed Mr.
	Posner? He can't do that.
	What are we looking at that for?
	That's not evidence of damage.
	That's just a picture of his alleged son.
	So anyway, after they came up with this $450,000, The judge allowed Posner to assign a value of $100,000 to Dr.
	Fetzer's common law interest in the copyright to Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	And then he transferred, the judge just transferred, he deducted the $100,000 from the $450,000, leaving $350,000, and simply gave Mr.
	Posner the copyright to the book.
	Well, you can't do that.
	What the jury gave him was a monetary award.
	It's called a money award.
	Money damages.
	And the only way they can be satisfied is through the payment of money.
	Through money. It has to be converted to money.
	Any property that Dr.
	Fetzer had had to be first converted to money, then given to Posner.
	Well... See, it was revealed at that point in the taking of this book what the whole purpose of the case was.
	The whole purpose, the judge admits that the whole purpose of the case was to shut down Fetzer's book.
	That's what the purpose of the case was, and that's how they did it.
	And they weren't about to let somebody else have the book and then give Posner $100,000 or somebody make a bid on the book and then take it and then give that money.
	No, Posner had to have the copyright to the book so nobody else could publish it.
	That's what it was about. Even the judge admitted it in the stuff, and it's quoted.
	Unbelievable. It's absurd.
	Go ahead, John. I have real problems with that, because I worked at the border at U.S. Customs.
	We enforced over 40 different agencies, laws, rules, regulations, and I was just U.S. Customs, but we were the lead agency.
	When you talk about IPR, Intellectual property rights and copyright stuff, it gets right into that.
	I don't understand legally how they could transfer the ownership of that book, which was by Mr.
	Fetzer, and turn it over to somebody else as if he's going to do what?
	Collect money out of it or burn the books or what?
	See, that doesn't make sense.
	Besides First Amendment rights.
	Don, you're absolutely right.
	They can't legally do it.
	They just did it.
	Well, here's the thing, John.
	By a judge, it was treated as illegal.
	It was grossly illegal.
	Exactly. Well, you've actually stepped to the very next thing that comes up.
	You say, well, how could it be worth anything to Posner if it was already found by the court to be defamatory to him?
	Well, that's exactly right, and that's called judicial estoppel.
	He's established all the way through this suit that his purpose is to shut down the book, that it is defamatory, and now he's saying it's worth $100,000.
	How in the world? He couldn't make a single penny off of it because he can't publish it without defaming himself.
	So, and...
	Dr. Fetzer brought all that before the court, that he was stopped by judicial estoppel, that he couldn't assign any value to it.
	It was zero. He couldn't deduct anything from the 450, so he couldn't take the book.
	Oh no, they just went ahead and did it.
	They don't do anything in this court properly.
	I have not seen anything done properly at all, except maybe dismissal to go home for the day.
	That's what tells me that they're doing everything they can to block it, no matter what.
	They don't care what people say.
	And they'll work around the law just to keep stalling it.
	That's why some people have to write a ghostwriter, or they have somebody else do it, or an alias name.
	So, Jim could put it out in another name, and then publish it.
	What I've done is to create a redacted.
	I took out the census, so it's no longer the same book.
	And I've got the redacted edition, which you can download for free.
	Go to my blog, jameshfencer.org.
	And go to Fake News, The Truth vs.
	Alex Jones, Fake News, The Truth vs.
	Alex Jones. And if you scroll down to the bottom, you can download the redacted edition of Nobody Died at Sandy Hook and a shorter book called Sandy Hook Truth that I assisted Robert David Steele in editing for then-president Donald J. Trump.
	So you can download both.
	I took the offending three sentences from Nobody Died and the one sentence from the Sandy Hook Truth Memorandum, and you can have them both for free, for free.
	They are yours. Download them and understand what the hell they've been seeking to conceal from the American people.
	I want a signed copy, please.
	It's not enough to be free, Jim.
	You gotta sign it. Well, it'll be worth more money later.
	Well, that's right. Then you can make some money.
	I was so wonderful that Ron wrote this book.
	I mean, you know, it's just wonderful because it just lays it out so clearly.
	In very plain language, you know, one offense under the law after another.
	In fact, I think he's got it right.
	This was a completely lawless court.
	See, I went in having done some research on summary judgment about how you got to assume and blah, blah, and you got to prove negligence and blah, blah, blah.
	And I thought, man, this is a piece of cake.
	There are a dozen ways I prevail here, a dozen ways.
	They nullified every one of those dozen ways, every single one of them.
	It was just astounding!
	You're telling me what's going to happen to me when I get my book out.
	Because people live their lives on soundbites.
	They hear, you know, an author fined $450,000 by Sandy Hook Parrot for defamation.
	They believe it.
	They believe it.
	And they think that $450,000, man, he must have been really nasty to that poor Parrot who lost that darling little boy.
	One thing about this book, too, is that I do believe it's the only book out there on the actual processes in court that they've used against Dr.
	Fetzer. Everything is either about Sandy Hook and Jones and the Bushmaster and that kind of thing.
	They got into some of the We're good to go.
	All the way through, Sandy Hook did not happen.
	Nobody was killed.
	It was a FEMA exercise.
	He maintained it from day one all the way through to this day.
	And everybody else backpedaled and did everything.
	And I'm sorry, you're right.
	I had a quick question about the affidavits on the death certificates, because it goes way back to the 50s and 60s, and I used to do a lot of research on various deaths, like Marilyn Monroe was another special case.
	Thomas Noguchi was a coroner.
	Coroner to the stars thing.
	But every time they do a death certificate, it's like a birth certificate, it's a technical affidavit sworn under penalty of perjury in the state of that, or in that state where that occurred.
	And if they violate that, Well, that's a big deal.
	That means they fraudulently committed a felony, they committed forgery, and all these other things.
	That's the next step I would go after if I were doing investigative stuff on it, because if they're going to try and prove that, they're just wasting time.
	They know they're doing it.
	The justice system is broken, in my opinion, and I worked in law enforcement for over 20 years.
	So, kind of an interesting angle question, but, you know.
	Well, yeah. I mean, these people should be scared to death to do anything that's out of line.
	Even the judges should be scared not to rule properly, but they just get away with it and they do it.
	And by the way, this stuff was...
	The stuff they did in Wisconsin and Dane County was affirmed to the Fourth Court of Appeals and then to the Supreme Court of Wisconsin and then even the Supreme Court of the United States did not...
	Talk about chicken.
	These people are chicken.
	I'm going to tell you something. My honest opinion is, our country's been overthrown many years ago.
	And a lot of these justices and all these people, they know this.
	They're scared to death.
	I think a lot of people in offices and in courts are scared to death.
	They do what they feel they should do to avoid being shot in their car or drowned in their swimming pool or something like that.
	These people are scared.
	I think, again, it goes back to this synagogue and stuff.
	So a lot of this stuff, this new town Sandy Hook business, a lot of synagogue and even Posner himself is a synagogue.
	Can I introduce the question?
	You're familiar with the...
	Oh, by the way, all the lawyers that were helping him were synagogue.
	They're officers of the court.
	They're all in the same handshaking club.
	But I was going to raise a question.
	And preface it, if you're familiar with the Rust case where Alec Baldwin was released off that case, because he's the guy that actually pulled a trigger on a gun that killed somebody.
	And they went in and kicked it out because the judge, female judge in New Mexico, basically said, yeah, it looks like there was malfeasance.
	The prosecutor didn't introduce evidence.
	There was all kinds of live ammo.
	They were trying to set something up and somebody got killed.
	What'd they do? She says, well, she dismissed that case against Baldwin, but she kept Hannah Gutierrez, who was the one that was the armorer, who they refused to let her do safety checks and all kinds of things.
	She's still in prison right now.
	So it's the same manipulation.
	The female judge is saying, oh, but that was a jury of 12 people.
	So what? So what?
	12 stupid jurors?
	Come on. I get excused off jury duty every time because I'm former law enforcement.
	Every time. But the point is, she's still in jail.
	Alec Baldwin walked free on an accidental discharge weapon on an accidental manslaughter church.
	Now, who is in jail? Clarify this for me.
	I missed part of it. Who is in jail?
	Or who wasn't actually allowed to inspect the weapon, you know, which was given to Alec and he pulled the trigger and killed the Oh, it was the lady that gave him the pistol.
	Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, and she's still in jail.
	The prop. It's a person who handles the prop.
	I just updated on my Facebook yesterday.
	Now they're reconsidering a possible motion to dismiss on her while she's still in jail, and Alec Baldwin walked free.
	Totally. Yeah. Yeah, he couldn't determine this kind of stuff for himself.
	Don't they actually have a different kind of gun?
	You mean they're an actual gun with just different bullets?
	Well, yeah, they're supposed to fire blanks, and they're specially marked.
	In the Crow case, the Crow movie was Brandon Lee.
	He got shot with a bullet.
	That's all it takes. One bullet, somebody slips it in.
	Because they're trying to destroy the guy or kill him.
	And it has to go through a props person to verify it.
	No different than if you're at the range and they're putting already broken caps on the rear just for target reloading practice or whatever.
	But yeah, you could see photos where they had ammo.
	But somebody got access to the ammo and was throwing real rounds in there when nobody was looking.
	And that would have caused the murder.
	I think they ought to use plastic guns in movies.
	Oh, they should.
	They should have plastic-type devices.
	Sure. I've seen accidents where even a.22 round...
	We'll break off because they're supposed to shoot, not at you, they're supposed to shoot off to the right or left by three feet so that it looks like you're shooting at them, or not at all, and do a special insert on the audio video, but people have been hit with just pieces of a shrapnel from a piece of a round.
	So, it's crazy.
	Amazing. Ron, I'm so tickled you published this book.
	I'm sharing with the family.
	Even my own family doesn't understand what happened.
	You know, they tend to assume as everyone else would.
	I had the opportunity for a court.
	I had assistants.
	I was pro se. But there were people who were giving me advice.
	And I lost.
	So they think I just didn't have a case.
	They don't understand how...
	I had a massive, overwhelming case, and I presented it all to the court, which simply set it aside so I could have no disputed facts and conduct a summary judgment in favor of which participants in the event have told me all the Sandy Hook cases had predetermined conclusions, meaning they were being manipulated from the outside.
	That's more proof. More proof the system's so corrupt.
	Maybe Jim and I could compare it to the Audrey Hale case as another potential setup, you know, fake shooting or not.
	Well, in this, one of the main points I'm making here is regardless of whether Sandy
	Hook actually took place or not, if they're going to use this judicial procedures to try
	cases of someone who challenges that notion, then we have created the environment for endless
	theatrical events that are not going to be able to be challenged.
	So the mass media cartel and its narratives will be able to create reality through adjudication of theater.
	And we can't have that.
	We can't live in a world where we live in mythology that's been adjudicated as real.
	You remember the Kyle Rittenhouse case?
	Of course. Okay.
	That's really critical in my thinking, is that they set the guy up, they got caught artificially altering video.
	The judge was showing anger that he didn't do anything about doing any contempt of court charges.
	Didn't do anything to the prosecutors who were obviously against him politically.
	He had to go through the whole trial before they finally got it ruled in his favor.
	That's crazy. Because if the prosecutors are allowed to lie, like in the Russ case and in the Rittenhouse case, that means they can lie and not suffer any consequences because they're the officers of the court or the judges.
	So we don't live in a justice system in the country anymore, as you say, Mr.
	Avery. Yeah. Well, I also believe that it's an absolute goal of the federal government and those that are operating it, again, I have to think that it's synagogue, is the disarmament of the American people.
	They want Americans disarmed.
	They cannot tolerate the idea that Americans can resist tyranny by force.
	And they want us to be completely vulnerable to abject tyranny.
	And the way to do it is to take away effective firearms.
	And they are chomping at the bit to do it in any way they can.
	They can't do it through the legislature because there's no argument.
	No sane argument for doing such a thing.
	So what they're doing is creating, it's eventocracy.
	That's what I call this kind of a government.
	It's eventocracy.
	They create an event, they have the laws made for it, and they put it in effect.
	And a lot of it's theater.
	They are dying to do it.
	They even have an agreement to do it.
	So they've got to disarm the American people in a certain amount of time.
	I was going to interject.
	That's communism. People don't get that because all the famous people, world leaders, it all works when they take your guns away.
	The other case I was going to tell you, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, I just remembered the actual name, Black Elk versus United States.
	He was resisting an unlawful arrest, and this is what Americans need to hear.
	If they realize they're being subject to an unlawful arrest, they can lawfully resist to death And get away with it legally.
	Unfortunately, this guy was put in prison.
	He won his case, but he died in prison.
	Go figure that one.
	Yeah. Just because you're in the right doesn't mean you're going to win in this kind of court system, this environment.
	It's gone. As you report, by the way, and one of the most fascinating aspects of the case is that when I carried it up You know, in appeals, Posner's team argued that the Seventh Amendment doesn't apply to the state courts.
	That's right. Which is astonishing.
	And while carrying the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, it looked as though the case was teed up to be a A home run because they could not only clarify summary judgment procedures, which a retired professor of law has explained to me as the principal form of corruption in the judicial system today, not just in Wisconsin, make them uniform through all the states, similar to as in Texas, which has a good set of procedures, but also declare the Seventh Amendment applies in all 50 states, which, oddly enough, had never been done.
	Yes, and let me tell you their lousy argument for why it has not.
	They say that...
	The reason they have not, that the Seventh Amendment right to trial by jury, in common law cases over $20, does not apply to the states, because each state may have different procedures for carrying out their jury.
	But the Seventh Amendment...
	Does not provide for any kind of special provisions for how you do your jury.
	So that argument is shot.
	And the next one that is so obviously ridiculous is the Seventh Amendment applies to common law law.
	Well, guess where common law issues are tried?
	In state courts.
	Federal courts have very few common law.
	All of theirs is statutory and federal laws passed and constitutional stuff.
	Very little common law exists in federal courts today.
	So are you trying to tell me that they wrote this, that any person that had a common law issue over $20 had a right to trial by jury, didn't apply to the states because that's where the vast majority of all common law is?
	I mean, that's an absurdity.
	These people should be slapped for doing stuff like that.
	First of all, you had these 10 amendments.
	Then with the 14th Amendment, they pushed them all out of the Constitution, and then they started adopting each one at a time.
	It's insane.
	I mean, the more you get into this kind of stuff, you go, are you kidding me?
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	Well, I'm back. Jim's on a slight break.
	He'll be back in a second, I guess.
	You're going to be the host, John.
	No, that's okay.
	I'm a backup host.
	Okay, backup host.
	I've got a book that's called Open Target, and I'm going to have a hard time getting it published.
	Because it's too dangerous because the information is current and ongoing.
	You know, corruption in the Customs Service, corruption in the Secret Service.
	I'm the guy that interviewed Hinkley in front of the White House in 1976, and they don't want me to expose that.
	Congress members and senators are not calling me back.
	I've got some possible people that are looking into it from one or the other sides of the aisle.
	Doesn't matter. Most of those people are compromised.
	Otherwise, why would they bring in one of their boys that they like that's going to talk the way they talk instead of testifying?
	I won all of my cases in law enforcement, especially at U.S. Customs.
	Never had to testify in any case because I wrote excellent reports.
	That's what scares them.
	They know I'll be detailed enough to put it out there and they can't fight it.
	That's why I appreciate your information because you're explaining some details people don't know or they need to hear because of how the justice system is being, you know, sidetracked.
	Even this Hannah Guterres thing, somebody was messaging me just a minute ago, you know, they should have dismissed her case immediately forthwith the same time that they did Alec Baldwin.
	Yeah. Right.
	They didn't allow her to do her safety checks, and the producers and directors were overriding that.
	They were setting it up for failure.
	That doesn't make sense.
	Or they should have all gone to jail.
	Exactly. Yeah.
	That's the whole point. They're doing a cover-up.
	I know another case. I do defense work as a private investigator also, where they set up a woman on an involuntary manslaughter when a motorcycle ran into her, not the other way around.
	That's so that they can collect the insurance money and the deceased, his wife or his widow knew the judge.
	That's conflict of interest.
	On top of that, the guy on the motorcycle was riding at a high speed into a car and didn't do anything to divert left or right, slow down, and he was on fentanyl, Oh, man. And he had a burnt aluminum foil piece in his possession and happened to have two different debit cards or credit cards from two separate victims that were previously stolen.
	Now, what does that tell anybody with common sense in law enforcement or not?
	There's something wrong with that guy.
	He's trying to get away and or he committed suicide and decided to run into a vehicle.
	Right. Over three and a half years later, study trial?
	Are you kidding? There's people in J6 right now.
	I just heard about Ashley Babbitt, their case.
	They got a case of $30 million wrongful death being filed.
	And if you look at the video, I haven't had a chance to talk about it.
	Michael Leroy Bird, who pointed the gun allegedly at Ashley Babbitt, moved his gun abruptly to the left.
	I will, Will. Thank you.
	So that doesn't make sense.
	And people don't get that.
	So we don't know.
	Yeah, that's amazing.
	Yeah. Well, you guys are doing a great job.
	Let me see if I can pull up some callers.
	The number is 608-957-8727.
	608-957-8727.
	If anyone would like to call to speak to Ron or John or me, About any of the subject we've been addressing.
	There are a couple of minor things I noticed in the book that weren't quite right.
	One was, you said none of us had attorneys, but in fact, oddly enough, the publisher was also being sued, as well as my co-editor, Mike Palachuk.
	The publisher has to have an attorney.
	They won't let a business not have an attorney, but he had two.
	I thought it was odd that one of them should have been representing me and Mike, but that didn't happen.
	And then he wound up settling Before the case went to the hearing, I think that was a business decision, not wanting to put his company at risk.
	That I noticed.
	He settled out. In other words, he settled out, Jim, before the opinion was given on the summary judgment.
	That's right. Well, I don't know.
	He was unwilling to share his agreement with me.
	Yeah, it's one of those non-disclosure things.
	Yeah. But he took the book out of Moonrock Books.
	It had been banned by Amazon, but it was still available by Moonrock Books.
	Well, except I'd released it for free as a PDF. So, you know, I mean, it was around until the lawsuit.
	And then he agreed to take it out of circulation.
	We had a second edition actually published with Moonrock Books.
	Maybe you could take it to another publisher like Trying Day or something.
	Well, he's got the copyright on the book, but I think that's also totally fishy.
	Ron has got that exactly right.
	This was absolutely fraudulent and wrong in every possible way.
	You could get it republished and copied in Taiwan.
	John, that's not the issue.
	The book's been published abroad.
	I've been told by Pirate, you know, it's out there.
	The international community can get it.
	I get it. What I've done is I created the redacted version now, John.
	You can go to my own blog and you can download the book.
	And you can download a cover for the book.
	And if you want it, I suppose you could have it bound.
	And then you'd have a... Softcover version.
	It was only ever published in softcover.
	But again, I say go to Fake News, The Truth vs.
	Alex Jones, and download it for free.
	And don't forget to download The Sandy Hook Truth, which has, I don't know, it might have 30 contributors, all short pieces, but it's all coherent, man.
	I mean, you'll understand how this was totally fraudulent and nobody died at Sandy Hook.
	They haven't shut down Alex Jones' show, and he hasn't been paying any money on a decision, right?
	We just had a report, I think it was two days ago, that Sandy Hook families are going after Alex Jones.
	To saddle up.
	You know, it's nearly a billion dollars.
	I mean, what a manifest absurdity.
	So you've got to call our 408 Paul, join the conversation.
	Well, Professor, so Ron Avery, I mean, I've heard him for quite a while on RBN, and there's no doubt, you know, he's a very, very Smart guy, and I'm not familiar with the book he wrote, but on your recommendation, I'll look into it.
	But he earlier, just actually not that long ago, used the term they when he said, you know, they want to take our guns and they want us to be vulnerable to tyranny and they.
	He used they many times.
	Jim, would you want to inform him who Isaiah is?
	Well, he's got a term he prefers to the term Jews, which are the synagogues, right?
	Ron, go ahead. Reply.
	Well, yeah, the synagogue is replacing the term Jew because these people that are using the term Jew and saying they are Jewish are liars.
	They are no such thing.
	And the New Testament clarifies that quite well.
	If you don't believe it, read Galatians 3.16.
	One short verse solves the whole thing.
	But anyway, go ahead.
	What was your question? Last question was ask me to say that they, that you said they are trying to say.
	He wanted me to say they were the Jews.
	But, you know, I preempted that answer by your synagogue.
	So, you know, that's why I referred to you.
	Go ahead, Paul. Well, you know, I'm just trying to have a little fun.
	I mean, Jim knows quite well.
	I think that I did have some role, although maybe it's a little egotistical for me to think that me constantly hammering away on you for years to get you to go past the You know, the they and the them to the Zionists, now all the way to, quote, the Jews. And the thing that kind of gets to me after a while, you know, when I hear these sorts of things, is that, you know, people are not able to distinguish the material and the biological from the conceptual and the abstract.
	So as I've made the point many times, you put a hundred people in a room, tell me which ones are the Democrats, you know, or which ones are the Republicans.
	Tell me which ones are the Christians.
	Okay, so in other words, I could be a Christian if I just profess the belief, but Jews have always historically been regarded as irracial aliens, and I think that their so-called religious practices have mostly been secondary in terms of the hatred they've engendered, as opposed to their political and financial and, of course, the ritual child sacrifice type of crime they've committed in various societies, the undermining I mean, they didn't earn the moniker of culture destroyers,
	nation wreckers, well poisoners, and so on.
	They didn't earn that by just believing a certain thing.
	So I think the root of the problem with people that we identify as Jews, the word, we have to have a word.
	We're not going to abandon a word that's been used for a couple thousand years just because somebody says there's a Bible verse that says this or that.
	So it serves a dual purpose.
	If you want to say it signifies the religion, okay, fine.
	But what it really does is it signifies who it isn't.
	And as I make the point, it isn't the South Koreans.
	It's not the Nazis. And it isn't the Norwegians that are doing this.
	No, you're sure about that now, Bob.
	You're sure about that.
	Yeah. You know, so again, it's And just, you know, all you need to do is just listen to a little bit of me and Victor Hugo together, and he's very clear.
	That's one of the things I've appreciated about him being on the show.
	I mean, he's not the only one, but I think on a couple of different shows, he's put it the most
	succinctly and clearly that it's these people that we identify have already been identified
	by many cultures as Jews. They're the enemy. They're doing it.
	Hey, Paul, let me clarify something.
	I don't get into every kind of thing that's floating around out there.
	I'm strictly a New Testament man, and I'm just going to tell you, you make a mistake if you call people or if you give people the wrong title.
	If they don't deserve something you don't give them credit for it.
	Okay, so the reality is the only way you can be a son or a child of Abraham is by being in and recognizing Christ Jesus as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords because he's the only seed of Abraham.
	There's not two or three or four or a million.
	Now, the next thing is you're probably concerned about Zionism in the church.
	Now, The church is a problem, too, because they call themselves evangelicals.
	Well, I don't want to do that either because evangelical means spreading the gospel.
	Well, guess what the gospel was?
	The gospel was the good news of the kingdom.
	Well, guess what these evangelicals do?
	They reject the existence of the kingdom.
	That's why those who reject the king and those who reject the kingdom are such good friends.
	That's why we see the unlawful antichrist state of Israel in the center of the church, being glorified by the church.
	That's the abomination of desolation.
	Antichrist stands in the body of Christ.
	That's ridiculous. And this is what's happening.
	Paul, yeah, this gets into theology.
	I don't want to pursue that.
	Look, I got another caller.
	816, join the conversation.
	Caller, is it Frank or Brian?
	Go ahead, join. Brian, yeah.
	Yeah, I just want to give you a little experience I have that kind of explains what Paul is talking about.
	There's You know, I do all the spiritual stuff with my staff, and my third eye works, and I do all that kind of stuff.
	So I had my staff out one day, and I'm spinning it because divine energy spins, and I wanted to do some astral traveling.
	So I went to the pyramids, and what do I see but Santa Claus?
	And I said, I'm going crazy.
	How in the hell can I be seeing him?
	So I went to a shaman I know and explained what I was seeing, and the shaman said, that's an egregore.
	That's in the group consciousness.
	You've got all the little kids all over the planet wishing for Santa Claus, and in the non-physical, in the higher dimensions, it creates Santa Claus.
	So it's the same thing with the Jews, okay?
	The definition of the Jews that Paul is talking about is in the group consciousness.
	We're all one.
	We're this group consciousness that's been separated.
	And so the definition that he gives is going to be the definition that everyone over the planet is going to resonate with because it's the 100-monkey effect.
	You know, you've heard of the hundred monkey effect.
	The reason that works is we are part of a group consciousness.
	So that's just what I wanted to say about it.
	Okay. Thanks, Brian.
	Yeah, Paul, if you want to add an addendum.
	May I respond? Yeah.
	So, I mean, I like Brian tremendously, and I find many of the things that he says very interesting.
	I'm not sure how helpful that was in clarifying my position, but let me try one more time, okay?
	What Ron is talking about is things that are written down on a piece of paper in some book that we call the Bible, and variations, various editions and edited versions of printed words on paper, which mean nothing in this material world.
	It's like the Constitution.
	The Constitution is written down.
	Does that mean anything to any of us?
	All these laws and all these books and all these codes that are in these courts that are supposed to be adhered to by our government, by politicians, By judges?
	By lawyers? Do they mean anything?
	No. Okay? Here's what means something.
	They control the money.
	They control the media.
	Their policies and their firm control of the money establishment.
	They control the courtrooms and the judges.
	They have power. They can get people to line up and get a shot of poison in their arm because they tell them that it's good for them.
	It's all about power and it's all about who rules.
	And I don't care what's written in any goddamn book.
	I don't claim to know what's going on in the world.
	There's all sorts of people that talk about this spiritual battle.
	Anytime I hear that, I say, well, you might as well just substitute the word spiritual for imaginary, okay?
	I'm not saying it's real or it's not, but it's not material.
	So, for example, if you put a 70 IQ black person, what we in the white nationalist community call a feral Negroid, into a civilization in large enough numbers, it's death, okay?
	These blacks and mestizos that they're flooding our countries with, and by our countries, I mean all white countries, I'll give you a great example, kind of like arsenic.
	A little bit won't hurt you.
	A modest amount will make you sick, but a large enough dose will kill you.
	And that's what this black and brown DNA will do to our society.
	They will kill us.
	That's what the Jews are trying to do.
	They're going to kill us. And it doesn't matter what you talk about with the New Testament.
	So just You know, all right.
	Paul, Paul, Paul. Yeah, you've said your piece.
	John, your thoughts. I'm sorry about which part.
	I mean, I'm here as an expert.
	We could talk about Secret Service stuff.
	Which part would you like to get into?
	You're not into the G-D-O-T, huh?
	Ron, go ahead. That guy's voice in a political opinion.
	I said, well, you're entitled, but I haven't heard a question about anything yet.
	Just so that's well stated on the show.
	Paul, I missed that.
	Go ahead and say it again. I said, I just wanted to get out there.
	I have a fondness for Christianity and Catholicism, and I wanted to make sure that's well stated.
	I've said it before. I believe that I believe that Christianity has served as a, if you would call, a cultural software or cultural programming, and there's nothing wrong with it per se, but we have to draw the distinction between the material Yeah, I have a fondness for the golden rule of doing unto others as you'd have them do unto you, which is very close to the fundamental principle of morality, which is to always treat other persons with respect and never merely as means.
	Which is a source of all immorality in the world today.
	Ron, go ahead. Give us some thoughts of yours.
	Yeah, I have one final comment.
	I didn't know it would be taken so poorly because we've said a lot of I think it's derogatory about these, quote, Jews, unquote, if we want to stick to that.
	But the idea that I was trying to make is if you want to prevent these, quote, Jews, unquote, from harming more people, wouldn't it be useful if you could prove that they were liars and did not have authority to be doing what they're doing in the Middle East?
	What I'm telling the people here is that they are liars, they are not even Jews, they are not the children of Abraham, and they have no authority to do anything in the Middle East, period.
	So if you're interested in that, you might check out the New Testament.
	Listen, I'm concerned that I got a caller here I haven't called upon yet.
	I've got a 816, I got a 512, and I got the 408, which is you, Paul.
	Is there another caller here?
	Please speak up. Please join the conversation.
	This is Frank from the...
	Yeah, Frank, good. You know, I kind of thought, Frank, you were there.
	Go right ahead, Frank.
	Give us your thoughts. That's no problem, brother.
	I listen to you guys.
	I love Paul and, you know, Brian, and, you know, John always brings a lot, and I'll be listening, you know what I mean, to the gentleman that's defending Christianity there later on today, because he'll be following.
	I think he comes on after you today over at RBN. But Jim, I heard earlier today that they're going to be shutting down Alex Jones and putting his whole operation up for sale.
	Well, that's the storyline.
	My inside information says it's all just politics.
	It's political theater not actually going to happen.
	Well, from what I heard, they were trying to gather people together, I think, to buy it and keep this thing going with him at the front.
	Now, they've also come on and said, you know, even if they do take this away from him, all he's got to do is get some cheap equipment and he can actually broadcast from his home if he wants.
	Okay? You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, he's got a huge audience.
	Oh yeah, there's no doubt about it.
	And Jim, can I ask you a question?
	Do you think he caved in there?
	I mean, why didn't he pursue that, you know, up in Connecticut?
	I mean, like they did to you what they did to him, but you're fighting it, and I give you credit for that.
	He just kind of seemed to, you know, say, okay, you know what I mean, blah, blah, blah, I don't have $2 million or whatever, and move on.
	And, you know, I was just curious.
	I mean, I thought he should have put up a better fight.
	You know, I mean, you've been going there on your own, and I don't know if you've had a lawyer or not, you know what I mean, what the story is.
	Frank, he's a phony.
	He's not a real man with integrity, that's why.
	Well, I agree. I agree.
	And Ron, I love what you say, and I'll be listening to you later.
	But Jim, I just said to myself, it looks like Jones threw this thing here.
	They are apparently going to take it over.
	I mean, now you touch this bullshit, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to the IRS now to try to expose this as fraud and theft by deception.
	They're even pulling in a million bucks a month still over Sandy Hook.
	I mean, how bad is that, Frank?
	Crying out loud. Look, if you want my take on Alex, it's all laid out on that fake news at Truth vs.
	Alex Jones on my blog, where you can download both books for free.
	Both the redacted Nobody Died at Sandy Hook and the redacted Sandy Hook Truth Memorandum for Donald Trump by Robert David Steele, where I made many contributions.
	I brought in most of the contributors, maybe all.
	John, go ahead. I was just doing the hand signal.
	Five more minutes. Oh, yeah.
	I know, I know, I know.
	Obviously, there's something wrong.
	When Alex was brought back to Twitter, Elon Musk had a long interview with him.
	And he asked him what happened.
	And Alex went into a song and dance about a poor humble kid with a high school education who was misled by professors and a school safety expert.
	And, you know, he, during his video deposition in Connecticut, say, never read Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	How irresponsible is that?
	You got one book, 13 experts, 6 PhDs, explaining the school had been closed by 2008, that there were no students or teachers there, and it was a FEMA exercise where we even have the FEMA manual, how can he...
	Go on to take a stance on this complex matter and not have read the only objective scientific book about it.
	John, yeah, go ahead, John.
	Well, I just posted something yesterday because the Ashley Babbitt case is in court on a $30 million lawsuit.
	And, of course, there's people out there saying they didn't believe she was killed.
	See what I mean? That was totally fake.
	I watched the whole bloody thing.
	The shooting was fake.
	It had to be a blank.
	She didn't go the right way.
	There wasn't any blood. It was completely contrived.
	They're doing these fake events and then getting lots of money and courts over them.
	It's just disgusting.
	Well, if you look at the video that's been released recently, it shows Leroy Bird, Michael Leroy Bird, pointed at one direction.
	Right before the shot, he moves his gun abruptly to the left.
	That's an indicator. It was fake.
	She wasn't shot. Oh, I think it was phony.
	Ron, go ahead. We're almost near.
	Go ahead, Ron. Believe it or not, I'm speechless.
	I don't know what to say here.
	That is hard to believe.
	Isn't it? My wife wouldn't believe it, I'll guarantee you that.
	Go ahead. Concisely, Paul.
	Just 30 seconds, and then Frank, 30 seconds, Paul.
	Okay, so the thing about Alex Jones is pretty simple.
	He's full of shit. We've all known people in our lives, and there's a spectrum of all that behavior, right?
	But we all know people in our lives where we all have the opinion they're full of shit, okay?
	Because of, you know, whatever.
	They're not audible. They don't have integrity.
	Frank, Frank, squeeze in some thoughts here, Frank, as we tie it together.
	Frank. Jim, back to Sandy Hook, you know, when you were with Veterans Today, Veterans Today, they had a guy, they had a film, and they showed you some stuff with the helicopter up there, and they showed the guys in their camos getting caught up in the hill, and they had them thrown down.
	The cops, the local cops got them and shut them down.
	It exposes. I mean, you know, this whole thing is a charade, and I just can't believe they keep it going with judges, I guess it is.
	Thank you, Frank. Thank you, Paul, for your calls.
	Brian, too. Especially Ron Avery.
	So glad to have you here, Ron, and John Harmon.
	As always. Meanwhile, spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about because we do not know how much time we have left.

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