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The Raw Deal (5 August 2024) with Keith Rodgers and special guest Greg Felton

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	Not just anybody.
	You know, I need someone.
	I was young, so much younger than today.
	I don't need anybody's help in any way.
	I know now these days are gone and I'm not so self-assured.
	I know if I didn't change my mind, I'd open the door.
	Help me if you can, I'm feeling down.
	And I do appreciate to be around.
	Help me get my feet back on the ground.
	Won't you please help me?
	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Live, Studio B, this 5th day of August, 2024, with co-host Keith Rogers.
	We're very pleased to feature Greg Felton, the author of the book, The Host and the Parasite, about how Israel feeds off the United States, and with a crescendo developing in the Middle East,
	Where Iran, acting responsibly in accordance with international law, has notified the United Nations that it intends to retaliate against Israel for the assassination of a leader of Hamas in Tehran, which has been acknowledged by the United Nations Secretary General Guterres as permissible under international law in the UN Charter.
	Thank you, Jim.
	is about to break out.
	They may have already begun.
	Reagan must have been nauseating to you to watch the real President of the United State, Benjamin Netanyahu, come to Congress to deliver his State of the Union address and receive endless standing ovations from the obedient slaves of Israel.
	Disgusting beyond belief.
	Welcome to the show.
	Thank you, Jim.
	It's been a while, hasn't it?
	Too long.
	Tell me, how did it feel to see Bebe out there getting all those standing hoes?
	Well, the thing is, I would say that rather than call Netanyahu the President of the United States, I would call him the Emperor.
	And the person who occupies the White House is not so much the President of the U.S., but Israel's governor on the Potomac.
	So he's like a satrap of the I know somebody like Palpatine from Star Wars.
	There's no credibility to the notion that the United States is an independent state, much less a democracy.
	I mean, recently, was it now?
	Lindsey Graham is trying to draft some legislation to declare war on Iran.
	Which merely proves the sycophantic nature of Congress.
	I mean, it was Patrick Buchanan many years ago who said that Congress is Israeli-occupied territory, and this just proves it, I think.
	As I've reported a couple of times already, this fake Joe Biden, the real Joe, died in 2017.
	This latest fake Joe Biden appears to have died en route to Las Vegas.
	The pilot notified the control tower he had to return to Washington, D.C.
	because there was a dead body on board, but the only dead body that would have made a difference would be Joe, the fake Joe.
	Otherwise, you just land and the deceased is removed from the plane and Biden goes about his business.
	But since he was dead, They had to return to Washington.
	That's when we had the statement, not on White House stationery, saying he's withdrawing from the race for the good of the country with a forged signature.
	I've demonstrated this.
	And now we have a new fake Joe Biden who's about four inches taller, who strides briskly, looks like he could be a basketball player.
	And where inside sources have suggested to me that the role is now being played by Jim Carrey, a well-known Hollywood actor.
	And it's just embarrassingly bad, Greg.
	The press is calling out this monster who's obviously in far better health.
	I mean, our press is so subservient and controlled by the Rothschilds, it's disgusting beyond belief.
	Anyone who thinks, yes, as you observed, that we have a democracy or that we have a free press simply didn't get the memo.
	They have their head where the sun doesn't shine, alas.
	I mean, it's unbelievable what's going on.
	And now it looks like the S is going to hit the fan in the Middle East.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, as far as the fake Joe Biden, I haven't been paying attention to that, but it wouldn't surprise me, because the same people who are faking Joe Biden are probably the same people that wanted that fake Osama bin Laden for so long, because he died in 2001.
	from kidney failure, but he had to be kept up to perpetuate the need for endless military expenditures.
	As far as the Middle East goes, this is frighteningly, it's almost, words almost fail me because the United States, as an extension of Israel, what I call Israel-America, Represents, I think, in many ways, the end of democracy as a political system.
	The book that I'm working on now looks at how Four major media narratives concerning the World Trade Center, SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, the violence in Ukraine, and the genocide of Gaza represent the degree to which the United States is degenerating into totalitarianism.
	And so when you look at what's going on in the Middle East, you have to decide, you have to recognize that none of this is America's doing.
	This is all Israel.
	And the question is why now Israel has decided to take off the mask of a pseudo-democracy and behave like a full-fledged tyranny?
	So, we have the neo-fascism in Israel right now.
	And the only thing I can think of is that the only thing that has changed from, say, last year to anything before, is that Netanyahu is in trouble in his own country, and he needed a distraction.
	And since genocide has always been the long-term objective of Israel, because you can't have two countries occupying the same space at the same time.
	You can't have Palestine and Israel.
	It's like the political equivalent of the Pauli exclusion principle.
	If you know physics and particles with half a spin, they can't occupy the same state in the same place.
	So, I guess what Netanyahu thought is that the Zionist lobbies throughout the world control the media to such a degree, and they control so many governments that they could get away with massacring up to like a hundred thousand people and the world would simply take it.
	They wouldn't like it, but nobody would do anything.
	So it's the brazenness of Israel that's really remarkable.
	Let me just add, and I want to bring in Keith for his preliminary observation, before I turn to a number of stories about what's going on right now.
	I participated in an event yesterday with a guy who has excellent sources in Russia and elsewhere, and he was reporting that while Israel was contemplating relocating to Ukraine to be the new Israel, which I submit is the reason why the fight has been going on so long, so intensely, even though Ukraine is losing on every front.
	They had an alternative site in Argentina Even when I was there in 2008 and 2009 giving lectures on JFK and 9-11, there was already considerable discussion about Israel's interests in Patagonia.
	Well, what another participant in this conference observed is that there have been 400 flights a day between Tel Aviv and Buenos Aires—400 flights a day!
	And he surmises they're moving most of the Israeli population already to Argentina, and it is a vast, lush area, perhaps the second most productive after Ukraine, ironically, in terms of farmland.
	So it may be that they've vacated Israel in anticipation of what is to come.
	I also understand Russia has provided Israel, I mean Iran, with a couple of nukes, which makes a huge difference to the occasion, and the head of the Russian Security Council, a very serious guy, has now arrived in Iran, which underscores what I've been reporting And virtually everyone agrees Russia is not going to allow Iran to be taken down.
	It's not going to happen.
	Keith, I want your preliminary thoughts as I find the stories I want to review.
	Keith.
	Well, good morning, guys.
	Yeah, there's a lot going on.
	Shoigu being over there in Iran right now.
	We know that last week or a couple of weeks ago, he was supposed to be there to sign that military pact with Iran.
	And so it looks like this might be the secondary thing to come over after all that.
	But this is on the cusp of all those massive military planes of Russian cargo being sent over to Iran.
	And so I agree with you on the assumption that Russia is not going to let Iran fall.
	But also this includes the Houthis too.
	I feel I feel bad for the duped U.S.
	soldiers that are having to take part in this.
	McGregor was saying that there's probably 5,000 soldiers over there in the general area there.
	We know there's an Air Force base there just north of Gaza, which begs the question, why didn't they catch all these so-called October 7th paragliders?
	Because they have some of the most sophisticated radar systems down there, allegedly to protect them against Iran.
	But I was just reading the Times of Israel there.
	These guys have lost their mind.
	I mean, the one headline reads that they would systematically starve two million Gazans to death and it would be not a moral issue for them, but the world won't let us.
	What kind of a statement is that?
	It just shows you the psyche And the reason I say that is because, you know, since 2001, we've been hearing all about these radicalized Muslims and stuff.
	Well, I'd like to point to the radicalized Jews, you know, and this doesn't include all Jews.
	And I agree with you, Jim, on the fact about Argentina.
	Remember, on September 27th of 2023, Joe Biden had issued visa-free travel for Jews.
	Then came that article from Haaretz that Bibi knew about the attack, right?
	Remember, he was warned by Egypt over almost two weeks in advance.
	And they kept sending their statements to Israel and Bibi kept ignoring it.
	So, this goes back to January when they were trying to overthrow their Supreme Court there to keep Bibi out of jail.
	But, as I'd mentioned in that email I'd sent you there, What most people don't realize is what BB has done, especially through this Hannibal Directive, he has allowed Jews to kill Jews, shooting fellow Jews in the back, everything like that, allegedly so they won't be taken hostage and everything like that, you know.
	Plus the amount of IDF soldiers that have been killed, burnt to death, all this stuff, and these attacks from Hamas and everything, and or Hezbollah.
	But this is all the cause of BB.
	And then we have the indictments of the war crimes and stuff.
	And then what's so sad to see is that the United States used to be like a bastion of freedom and support of the people that were so-called unjustly treated in the world, that the U.S.
	was always there to help rectify things.
	As you mentioned, the standing ovations for Bibi Netanyahu, a known war criminal.
	I was shocked to hear this morning, it was either Aleister Crook or Douglas McGregor, where U.S.
	senators wanted to attack Iran on the assumption because three U.S.
	soldiers got killed in Jordan.
	And that was all they need for a premise to do an attack on Iran.
	And then I thought to myself, well, geez, I don't know if you've seen that DMED report and stuff, but the vaccines which the Jews proud themselves so much over, they've killed at least a thousand or more U.S.
	soldiers, disabled them and stuff.
	And the senators here don't care because the Israelis are behind it.
	And I remember in January 22nd, sorry, January of 22, when it was brought to Bibi's attention that the vaccines have killed 8,500 Jews and 5 million worldwide, that Bibi said, let it go on.
	I have the darn video of the thing from the Knesset there, but you know, but it's like, it's like they've got Israeli blindness.
	And I don't know whether it's because of these evangelicals or whatever, or bribery, or through the Epstein, whatever like that, you know.
	But these senators and stuff, they proudly sit there and they back Israel on anything.
	And now they're talking about doing a pre—Israel's talking about doing a preemptive strike if they see Iran's getting ready to send missiles.
	Well, remember, this is a retaliatory strike under international law, UN Article 51, that Iran had reserved the right under that article to take a retaliatory strike on Israel.
	It was all done legally last time, and of course Iran did it so that it wasn't an escalatory type thing.
	And now Israel knows that it's about ready to get its butt wiped, and so the U.S.
	is running around to all of its allies and stuff, asking them to help bolster the support of Israel.
	And I just saw there's a new secret airfield put in over in Syria, which is off of one of these Air Force bases.
	It looks like it's for more of a heavy cargo type thing.
	But it was put on a dry lake bed, but they've been ramping this up just like before BB even got here, Jim.
	They had already dispatched those aircraft carriers over the Middle East.
	This has all been planned.
	And what I feel sorry for is, again, I'm more of a realist, so I care about more of the lives.
	I don't care whether they're Israeli or American or Muslim or whatever, you know?
	But this has all been planned, and this has been etched out.
	And of course, we know how BB works, how his mind works, you know, how psychopaths are.
	But he is willing to take the entire world to war On the assumption that this is their promised land and stuff.
	Of course, remember, he's from Poland, or actually his family is.
	He's from Philadelphia, I guess.
	But there was some news there from Alistair Crook there that talked about the rabbis, though, in Israel, that Bibi might be pushing his limits domestically there, to where you actually have 800 and some rabbis, which controls a large majority of even the IDF, Which may get them to all turn on B.B.
	and his entire government.
	So that might be a plus in one way to look at it there.
	I encourage you to watch the show when you get a chance.
	Well, the generals are reported that they're worn out, that they need a ceasefire.
	They did replenish the troops.
	I think there's even a prospect of Netanyahu being assassinated by his own people.
	Yeah, I believe that too.
	The troops are totally worn out.
	I sent that article there about the How many IDF soldiers are being treated for PTSD-type syndromes?
	I mean, they for years have been watching themselves slaughter Muslims there, but to watch, you know, like say when you, I had a guy that worked in a tank crew, but he says, you know, people don't realize that when you get some munitions hit a tank and stuff and it burns up on the inside, well, you have to scoop out those soldiers from the inside.
	And yeah, you can put new wiring harnesses and stuff like that.
	But the point is, though, it's the human lives that are lost in it.
	But people don't look at that.
	Just like I've always commented on that stupid board game when I grew up called You Sank My Battleship.
	And it might be a fun game to play there, putting pegs in there.
	But if you look at a common aircraft carrier, that's 5,000 men.
	You know, it's not just the ship.
	It's the personnel on board.
	But there's those that are willing within government to allow that to happen, to push their, I'll just say their stock portfolio, because we all know all the insider trading, just like the money laundering to Ukraine and stuff.
	Some of these politicians are filthy rich.
	You look up their net worth, they're worth tens of millions of dollars.
	You don't get that working for $174,000 a year working for the taxpayer.
	a year working for the taxpayer.
	So again, though, we're back to this question, though, is so many people do believe that the Jews today are the gods chosen there, but that gets into the biblical things.
	But as I mentioned to you before a long time ago there, Jim, about the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, his former followers wouldn't follow Christ.
	They went off to the things left behind.
	Because they wouldn't go along with what Price said, and this is where we're at today.
	We're in two different wars.
	We're in a spiritual war, for those that believe a certain way, and we're in another war, which is the vicious type, where people get killed.
	And when you hear politicians talk about fighting to the last Ukrainian, well, When's that going to hit home when they start saying, fighting to the last American?
	And of course, we know that even Doug McGraver talks about, you know, whether this DEI stuff today, or even Larry Johnson, all these guys talk about, we don't have a military today.
	They couldn't last five seconds on the beaches of Normandy.
	And yet they just keep pushing us into a war, which always means that because of that, no war has ever been fought and won over an air battle.
	It has to be ground forces.
	And these DEI soldiers and stuff, they couldn't do a land war like that, so it will probably go nuclear at some extent.
	Oh, I think right off the bat, I think that's not going to take any time at all.
	Let me just mention some of the stories here.
	Jittery Israel braces for five front wars.
	Official predict Iran to attack Monday.
	That would be today.
	Israel preparing for multi-day reprisal attack by Iran and Hezbollah.
	U.S.
	amassing aircraft carriers, fighters, jets, Navy destroyers, and thousands of troops to protect Israel.
	Pentagon moves second aircraft carrier to Middle East.
	Russia, to help Iran in attack on Israel.
	Tehran deploys Moscow's most powerful, most powerful—let me see, this is a story from the time of Israel.
	Most powerful jamming, communication jamming devices.
	The Russians are very good in this area.
	Russian Secretary of Security Council Sergei Shogun arrives in Iran.
	How could you have a more telling indication Russia is serious about this?
	Russian Ilya specializing in arms transport lands in Iran.
	That appears to be one of multiple, but one has brought two nukes to Iran minimally.
	U.S.
	strikes Iraq live.
	I'm not quite sure how that fits into the larger picture.
	We have other indications here.
	Dow Jones plunges more than 1,000 points amid global market sell-off.
	Mainstream media coverage of Israel's assassination campaign misleads the U.S.
	public.
	There's a whole lot, too, about what's going on in the UK and the fact that there are all these anti-migrant protesters, which has just caused enormous problems.
	And, of course, there's a Jewish program, the clergy plan, to flood all the European countries with migrants from North Africa to destroy their culture.
	And now there's a tremendous resistance developing in the UK because some of these migrants are killing little girls, and it's spread to Ireland, including Northern Ireland.
	And there's a video by A woman named Lerner that, you know, that Jews are going to be resented for this.
	Well, I think it's going to go far beyond resentment because they're doing the same to the United States.
	And we know that research is showing these illegals in Georgia, for example, are telling reporters are already registered to vote.
	And I got to tell you, I got a little flip phone now.
	I'm still registered as a Democrat, even though I've been voting for Trump.
	And I'm getting notifications.
	Do I want my mail-in ballot?
	And I'm telling you, if I'm getting these notifications, they're going all over the country.
	They're going to seek to steal the election in 2024, just the way they did in 2020, just the way they did in 2022.
	Why not?
	It works.
	The problem being they got a miserable bonehead candidate, Kamala Harris, who's a joke.
	No one could possibly take her seriously.
	She has the worst approval ratings of any vice president in history since polling began.
	And even if she selects this Jewish governor of Pennsylvania, Whom I infer had to be in the chain of command to approve the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, where they got wind of it and flipped the script to make Trump out to be a superhero rather than a dead duck.
	He's shown his credentials.
	He'll be all in for Israel.
	Voters are turning against Vance.
	They see him as shallow, inauthentic.
	I thought it was a terrible choice at the time.
	I can't believe Trump made another colossal blunder just as he had before in picking Mike Pence as his VP.
	J.D.
	Vance is, in my opinion, perhaps even worse.
	I want to get Greg's reaction first, and then I'll come back to you, Keith.
	Greg, your thoughts about all of the above.
	Where do you want me to start?
	Wow.
	What interests me that hasn't been mentioned so far is that Turkey's President Baris Erdogan has decided that is... Stand by, Greg.
	We got a break and we'll continue with Greg Felton and Keith Rogers.
	Stand by.
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	Greg, you were about to share your further thoughts.
	Yeah, that's kind of an abrupt, abrupt break there.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It seems that Netanyahu has tried to accelerate the instability in Palestine for reasons that have more to do with his domestic relations than anything else.
	There's no upside to Israel's massacre of Palestine in this manner.
	It's just, it's madness.
	Israel survives only because it can project the illusion of the democracy, and it has bought and paid for so many American politicians that the very notion of the United States as an independent country is now a polite joke.
	So why would in the face of the world where it can't control, where Israel cannot control everything on the internet, why would it deliberately starve people to death?
	Why would soldiers get up in the Knesset or soldier spokesmen demanding the right to rape prisoners of war?
	I mean, Israel is not even making a pretense of being a human country.
	This is a monster.
	This is like something out of, I don't know, Terminator, where you have these sort of non-human creatures running around killing people.
	I don't know what to make of Israel.
	It's insane.
	There is nothing rational about what it is doing.
	However, it may be more honest than trying to feign respect for a negotiated peace, which Israel has never wanted.
	I mean, it was axiomatic from the beginning when Israel declared statehood illegally, I might add, because the United Nations had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
	That's a common myth.
	Israel simply declared statehood on May 15, 1948.
	But even then, the British mandate had not yet expired.
	So Israel's creation was illegal.
	It tried to impose itself on a land that already had a population, so eventually you have to know that Israel was going to try to massacre every Palestinian so that it could claim sole ownership of Palestine, biblical Israel.
	So what we have now is simply Israel with the mask taken off.
	Israel is not even claiming that it's a decent country.
	But the one thing that it may have overestimated is the world's willingness to sit by and do nothing.
	So far it has.
	The world has been a willing accomplice to genocide by doing nothing.
	And that's what the great, great Honorable Edmund Burke said.
	For evil to exist, good men do nothing.
	That's a rather bad paraphrase from memory.
	But the world has allowed this to happen.
	The media has systematically refused to report honestly on Gaza.
	The only place you're going to find anything are on places like the Intercept or Other non-standard or independent media outlets.
	The mainstream media has been so compromised that the book that I'm writing has one of its main themes is that the greatest threat to democracy, the greatest threat to human civilization is the mainstream media.
	Tyrants will do what they do because that's their nature.
	If a tyrant is allowed to do what it's supposed to do, well, the agencies that allow it to happen, they're the ones that are more responsible.
	So what I'm looking at now is Turkey, because Turkey is a Muslim state.
	It's the only one in NATO.
	And Erdogan has been making all the right sounds about wanting to invade Israel.
	I think Turkey is going to get involved on Palestine's side, and that's going to force NATO to justify its existence.
	That would be the most important decision taken.
	Israel has to be attacked militarily.
	It has to be destroyed.
	None of this bullshit about some two-state solution when you have an invader and a victim.
	You can't let the victim justify the invader's presence.
	The invader has to be destroyed.
	I agree with all that.
	I agree.
	Erwin in the past, however, has been a big talker, but not a big actor, so I'm not so sure we can count on him for anything.
	He's been too equivocal in my judgment in the past.
	Keith, your thoughts.
	Is Turkey likely to become a player here?
	Keith, are you there?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, am I here?
	Now you are.
	OK, I don't know why my damn switch was working right.
	Anyway, I think the people in Turkey will force Erdogan's hand.
	But what the question, what was just brought up, though, Turkey is a NATO member.
	And so if Turkey does go in there and does that mean that the U.S.
	will come to the defense of Israel and attack Turkey?
	What will happen if the U.S.
	is attacking a NATO member?
	I mean, all these questions come in there.
	But I do believe, as Greg was saying there, the fact that what it looks like to me is Hegel's cunning of reasoning.
	What we're seeing in the world today is the Israelis are being exposed for what they really are.
	And I know that, you know, you mentioned her earlier.
	It was Barbara Spector.
	You'd given another name there.
	Barbara Lerner Spector.
	So, when you look at that, a day before the riots broke out in England, they had stopped arms supplies to Israel.
	And there is a good write-up on Tommy Robinson, who they show him depicted in all his Mossad t-shirts and stuff like that.
	Everything was going good in the UK until Tommy Robinson got out there and started to fuel the fire.
	And I think this is what sparked that.
	And this may have been a get even type thing from Israel to the UK to cause this massive, was it 12 million pounds worth, I don't know what they call their monetary system there, but millions of dollars worth of damage and looting and stuff.
	It's just like here, except In Britain, they're cracking down on it.
	But here, BLM, Antifa, they were all bailed out and stuff.
	But what gets me out of this, it's kind of like this COVID stuff.
	Who is assuming the liability of all these people that either lose businesses, die?
	Who's assuming all that money that's being lost?
	Insurance companies will only pay out so much.
	Just like I recently found out that insurance companies are not paying now if you've been vaccinated because they said that you took an experimental vaccine.
	It was never FDA approved, which it never was.
	And therefore you've committed suicide and they do not pay out on suicides.
	And, uh, I did see something here.
	I think a lot of this all goes in, in concert with what we're seeing with the stock market because, uh, Joe Biden just six days ago said that he's cured the economy.
	Right now, they've frozen the stock market.
	They're blaming Charles Schwab, I think it is.
	Some hang up there, but they froze the market for a second here.
	But at current, it was at 1.93 trillion dollars lost just since this morning alone.
	And Japan's market has crumbled.
	So, I think this has been the premise of what Blinken and Yellen have been doing.
	They've been going around to all these Western linked states and saying, hey, look, our stock market's about ready to crash like that.
	You know, we support our economy by war, which they do.
	And if we don't get these wars to keep our economy going and stuff like that, our economy is going to crash, which means that since you're linked, you're going to crash, too.
	And I couldn't believe the hubris that Blinken had when he was talking about Venezuela.
	To even mention anything about Venezuela when you look at America itself, just America in itself, of the streets lined with tents, the drugs, the zombies on the street stuff, and this is this form of democracy that the United States wants to usher into Venezuela?
	The other coup was in 2019 where they tried it before there and tried to usher in Juan Guaido, you know?
	Why can't the United States stay out of everyone else's business?
	How did the Ukraine start?
	Same thing.
	You know, the U.S.
	causes all these problems, and I think in general it's to start all these wars to keep the economy going, and they don't care about the deaths behind it.
	But back to that cunning of reasoning like that, I think everything is being brought out into the light to where more and more people are seeing, just like you mentioned with Kamala Harris and stuff.
	I look at these politicians today as robo-signers.
	That's all they are.
	When everyone's talking about Joe Biden or even Kamala, they're still asking the question about who's running the country.
	Because we know these guys haven't got the wits to control anything.
	But everything's deliberate.
	And whether it's these crashes, the cyber hacking—remember, Klaus Schwab, In his famous speech about what was coming, he said that it would make the COVID-19 pandemic insignificant.
	This has all been planned to cause all this uprisings and stuff.
	And if you think what's in the UK won't spread to here, I just saw a busload of, what was it, 3,000 immigrants from Canada coming into the United States over in New York.
	But again, why are they busting all these immigrants around stuff which is causing all this problem in the first place?
	They never built the infrastructure up to support anyone.
	And on the cusp of that, we're supposed to be sitting there supporting Israel, which is a Jewish-only state.
	And yet we can't have a country where we have our citizens.
	They have to be mixed from every single person in the world.
	And there's like the Ukrainians, Ukrainians are coming here and they're getting a social security.
	I mean, think of people having to fight to get social security, becoming disabled or something like that there.
	And they have to fight to try to, and now we get to step across the border now and get instant access to thousands of dollars for housing, food.
	There was one video on a telegram there where a guy was reading off what was on his EBT card.
	He had over two, sorry, $27,000 on his EBT card.
	With $4,000 in TANF cash assistance like that, and these cards are refillable, and they're bankrupting this country to cause a civil war because they want the fights between us.
	That's why I kind of get a little bit off with our caller that calls in Florida there, but you don't realize what's going on until you realize that these people are being led like the The cow with the hook through its nose, but they're being led by destroying their economies where they're at.
	And the only place for work is here in America.
	And now the jobs report comes out with only a hundred and somewhat thousand new rehires for the last month and a half.
	So they've destroyed our economy through COVID.
	They cost millions of jobs.
	They shut down hundreds of thousands of small businesses and Everyone's supposed to be living off the state, and of course that's through the Democrats or Communists, as I call them, because the only way you're going to get your assistance is to go along with what the state says.
	If not, you'll get debanked, deplatformed, all this stuff.
	Anyone would have known that when they first heard this thing about Kamala Harris being a czar, you know, the border czar.
	Well, where's the czar stuff?
	Well, this is Communist stuff, you know.
	This is a full Communists take over this country, but where's the money gonna come from?
	And if the markets do continue to crash and stuff, Trump's out there tweeting right now about the crash, but when the money runs out, what's gonna happen to all these millions of immigrants and stuff that are now stuck in America that have no resources either to get home or something like that.
	And they go to their looting and stuff.
	And then at the same time, Kamala Harris, one of the first things she's running on is the Second Amendment to disarm Americans so we can't defend ourselves.
	Doesn't that tell you where everything's headed?
	Yes, it does, of course.
	Greg, your thoughts about Keith's observations and your own?
	Well, first of all, a couple of minor corrections.
	There was no COVID-19 pandemic.
	Oh, I know that, but... There was a SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.
	See, not everybody who caught the virus developed COVID-19.
	A lot of people use that as a scare tactic.
	To stampede people and getting in these pseudo vaccinations, which were never, as you said, they were never FDA approved, but they were coercively imposed on people.
	Doctors were coerced into forcing people to get them.
	So to claim that this was merely a Well, he's talking about the life insurance attitude.
	They do not cover experimental procedures, Greg, so their attitude is the effective equivalent of what Keith was observing.
	taken to court.
	That's-- Well, he's talking about the life insurance attitude.
	They do not cover experimental procedures, Greg.
	So their attitude is the effective equivalent of what Keith was observing.
	I think you're being a little hypercritical We have covered extensively that during the pandemic, nobody died, no increase in death rates in any significant, not until the introduction of the Vax.
	And we know it was designed to kill and maim, and people are still dying suddenly as a consequence of the Vax.
	So, Well, people were dying from the virus.
	I mean, there were people who were contracting COVID-19.
	It did happen.
	Listen, listen, listen.
	John Rappaport and Edward Henry were brilliant on this.
	In 2019, there were 38 million cases of the flu.
	there were 38 million cases of the flu in 2020, 3,000.
	What do you think happened?
	The flu just went away?
	No, they simply reclassified 37,997 million cases of the flu as COVID to create the false impression of a pandemic.
	Now, exactly what may have happened?
	I mean, I was myself diagnosed with COVID at one point.
	And underwent his antibody treatment.
	I refused the vax.
	Anyone who takes a vax, of course, is in serious trouble.
	But my family went ahead and took the vax without telling me because they knew I'd be adamantly opposed.
	So Well, some may have died from COVID, Greg.
	It was mostly a hoax.
	It was a medical fraud, and Americans are so scientifically illiterate.
	They were easily played.
	The question becomes Trump's role in all of this with Warp Speed.
	There's some indications even the Department of Defense was involved in this massive medical deception and slaughter.
	I mean, look, the number of deaths I'm estimating are already in the vicinity of a billion worldwide from the facts.
	Just go right ahead and make all your points.
	Go right ahead.
	Yeah, I'll try.
	First of all, the SARS-2 virus was not a hoax.
	It was a real virus.
	People did die from it, but the damage done by these pseudo-vaccines was infinitely worse.
	That is true.
	The Pentagon, the Ministry of War, was involved with the National Institutes of Health and Anthony Fauci soon after the discovery of the virus in Wuhan.
	That much is also known, but not widely known.
	I can't quite recall all of what he said.
	That was quite an eclectic little speech.
	I'm trying to determine.
	Great.
	Can I say something to you?
	Yeah.
	I have Fauci's email about how they created the bioweapon.
	I have the video from Moderna who said that it was not SARS-CoV-2.
	I could have Jim play it, it's only a minute long, but anyway.
	No, just send me the link, I can look at it after the show.
	So, in that though, what they created from that paper on the Fauci email, and anyone can find that, you know, they created with the HIV strain.
	Yeah, so I've got that in my book too.
	There was a whole book on this.
	Yeah, and then I have the BBC thing where they said that it was clamped with the HIV virus.
	So, but the point is though, The guy from Moderna said that they made the vaccine according to what they received from the Wuhan lab.
	Now that is what was on that paper from Fauci there.
	They went into production with that HIV.
	Which is what they started producing there because it was a gene editing type of mRNA.
	That's right.
	And then we have the 40% increase in autoimmune diseases, which can now be attributed to a secondary program running of the LGBT, where now you can claim that people are dying from their lifestyles.
	Because of more people being at risk.
	Sure.
	I have a whole directory on all this stuff.
	I do have in my book, The SARS-CoV-2 Contagion Collusion Corruption, there was absolute proof that HIV was spliced.
	Yeah, it was spliced in there.
	Even Jeffrey Sachs at the Lancet said that They were talking about the cleavage site.
	I have the video on that too.
	Yeah.
	And what was added at the video when he talks about the cleavage site?
	Well, what was added?
	Well, the BBC says that they added that spike protein, which was HIV.
	And then they had to cause an egg shortage because the eggs were blocking the protein that they needed because the eggs were blocking the transference of the binding.
	I have all that information like that, you know, but my normal thing is I study the CIA a lot, so I started realizing what was going on first, you know, first off, but a lot of this started when they first had that lab leak down in Fort Detrick there in July 2019.
	This was a trial run, then right after that, we had the Wuhan Games and stuff.
	But anyway, this was all to point fingers at China like that, because, you know, with Trump out there, China, China, they wanted 10 million from China to restart our economy.
	No, it was a massive bank bailout.
	That's what it was.
	They knew they were going down thin.
	They needed to infuse that money.
	If you look at all that PrEP Act, well, that was not PrEP Act, but the CARES 2 Act, the money, you can Google this freely, where'd the money go?
	It'll show you state by state, and you click on it, it went to this bank, that bank, that bank, that bank, and it went to this corporation, that corporation.
	What they did is they kept the corporations and the banks going, and they let the Americans suffer, except they gave us $1,400.
	Big whoopee do like that, you know?
	Then I have a AOC staying on a street corner there in New York saying that if you go down to your medical examiner or doctor and have them recertify the death of your loved one to COVID, FEMA will give them $8,500.
	Well, that is falsifying a death certificate.
	But see, when you depress the economy, you can get people to do anything.
	$8,500 when everything else is shut down sure comes in handy, doesn't it?
	But, you know, this was all worked out, as Jim said there.
	The DOD was involved in this.
	But what is really damning is, like Dr. Martin there brings out, is that All the patents are there, and you cannot patent a natural occurring anything like that.
	So, this was all done ahead of time.
	They patented it back in 1998, when they first started doing this.
	They had their first trial run over in Hong Kong, where they had that outbreak there.
	And I do believe that they did this small outbreak of the swine flu over there in Africa.
	Because this had to do with JBS US down in Brazil, where they uploaded, sorry, they increased support production from JBS US from Brazil up to China, 600%.
	Everything about the United States is profit.
	So if you kill Africa's economy, then you pick it up here.
	And remember that JBS US got three massive bailouts during this so-called pandemic.
	And then on top of that, When the so-called pandemic hit in April, the United States had sent tens of millions of dollars worth of COVID equipment over to China, who a week later had sent that to the IDF in Israel.
	But then we have to go back to November of 2019, to where all the U.S.
	intelligence agencies had warned Israel ahead of time.
	Well, that's in November.
	They didn't tell Americans until March.
	So you know, this is like watching Pompeo sitting there talking about, you know, saying that we're in a live drill, or that when he's in Congress there and they're asking, or Senate there, and they're asking about the origins of COVID, and Pompeo wouldn't comment on anything.
	And then we have Blinken that sat there with Rand Paul for the last two years, Obfuscating about what the origins of COVID was, and when he finally handed over the material, every single page of over 300 and some pages was fully redacted.
	Had this been a Chinese virus or something like that, they would have nailed China for it as a bio-warfare like that and went to war with China.
	But it was all made in America.
	And this was, again, it was to flip the economies, to bring in this World Economic Forum stuff, which I've never heard anyone in government here talking about.
	Trying to stop this World Economic Forum.
	In Oregon, they're shutting down farming.
	In Washington State, you can't have gardens.
	I mean, they're killing everything like that, as far as our economy stuff, you know?
	And these wars, to me, are beginning to become a political theater to entertain us, while in the background, they're still working out what they're going to do to us in shutting down the economies.
	Now, Trump is out there talking about bringing oil and stuff back.
	You know, again, that's a red line there because they want to shut the oil down because of this so-called green agenda like that, you know.
	But America was look how independent America was when it was exporting all of its oil and gas and stuff.
	The only problem is, though, is they did it by extortion, like blowing up the pipeline over there in Germany and stuff, you know, and then charging four times the price for it like that.
	But that's how the vultures here in America are, you know.
	But all this stuff between COVID and stuff, they're all linked.
	But I believe that there was a release in certain areas, but in liberal areas, because liberals were the ones that get the scare the most.
	And usually what happens is, I have videos from over Australia, New Zealand, where all these happened in these old folks homes.
	That was the main killer.
	And then they put them on these respirator type things, and that's what actually killed the people like that, you know?
	But they blocked people's access from seeing their loved ones or like that, you know.
	Don't tell me Russia and China are our enemy when they've got your own government pushing these mandates.
	And then you hear all these politicians come out at the end and says, well, we never forced you to get vaccinated.
	Well, yes, they did.
	Even churches did.
	If you don't get vaccinated, you can't see your brothers in church.
	You can't go out in your ministry.
	You can't do this.
	But then you find out that the churches were paid something like thirty-some billion dollars to push this agenda.
	It's criminal.
	Agreed completely.
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	Well, this is Jim Fetzer here with Greg Velton and Keith Rogers.
	Greg, I know you have a lot to say, my friend.
	Go for it.
	Okay.
	Well, I kind of got lost in that long speech about COVID-19 and the SARS-2 virus.
	It is well known that the virus was manufactured.
	It's kind of sad that so many people were persecuted.
	Because they did bring this out and the real motive had to have been economic for reasons that have been already gone into.
	But I'd kind of like to focus a little bit about Ukraine because that seems to me to be one of the more interesting things that are going on.
	When we're talking about why America is It started the Ukraine conflict.
	One of the interesting things that I've read, and one of the things in my book that's coming out hopefully this year, if I ever get around to finishing it this year, is that Sergei Lavrov, who is the Foreign Minister of Russia, gave a speech at the United Nations last September.
	And he said that the attack on Ukraine It was a sign that the United States is deathly afraid of multipolarity in the world.
	It doesn't want to share.
	America can only be America.
	It can only be the way the Americans want things.
	It cannot cope with Russia or China or any other country.
	Being politically strong and rivaling the dominance of the American dollar or the American economy.
	America is essentially a totalitarian state.
	It's become a police state to all intents and purposes.
	And it sees other nations as not collaborators or colleagues on the international scene, but as rivals to be vanquished.
	Which is why the United States is provoking violence against China, against Russia.
	It's only time before it goes after India, because now India is the most populous country in the world.
	It has an economy that will one day probably rival that of China's.
	So the United States is behaving like a typical tyrannical state.
	And this is something that you will find can happen to any democracy, any representative democracy like the United States, where the public are removed from the government that rules over them.
	You see, it's a myth that Elections represent the people's choice of who to govern.
	The elections are basically a show.
	It's like a dog and pony show.
	It gives the illusion of popular government, but it really doesn't.
	I mean, the people behind the scenes, who are never seen, who aren't accountable.
	They're the ones who make the rules.
	They're the ones who make the policies.
	I mean, credit card companies, they write the legislation that governs them.
	I mean, how insane is that?
	For governments, I mean, it's merely a matter of that.
	The people in government look to this as a career-making move.
	It's for their own pocketbook and as much as anything else.
	But if you look at why the United States is afraid of multipolarity, and you look at the Cold War that came up just after World War II, what would happen, do you think, if the Cold War had never happened?
	I mean, you would have the United States would be on top of the world, would be the most powerful nation probably in history.
	You would have no rival.
	We would have had essentially a one-world government dominated by the United States.
	Well, the Cold War kind of put that development on hold for about 50 years, more or less.
	No, 40 years.
	And when that ended in the early 1990s, we were essentially back to where we were at the end of World War II.
	And the United States, Because it's an arrogant son-of-a-bitch country that thinks it's God's gift to humanity, that the American way is the only way, it is now trying to clear the world stage for anybody who was a rival to it.
	And in the case of Russia, which goes Russia is a very strong country, not as strong as the United States, but it is a rival.
	It has influence, it has a strong economy, particularly in Europe where it sells oil and gas, at least it did until recently.
	So the United States is losing money by not being able to coerce Europe into buying American fuel.
	So we have to get rid of Russia.
	So how do we do that?
	Well, it's a little bit difficult to attack as Russia's too strong.
	Well, maybe we can draw it into a futile war of attrition.
	So let's prop up Ukraine.
	Let's use Ukraine as a wedge, as a cat's paw to draw Russia into a conflict.
	Let's drain Russia.
	And if you look at just how What the mentality is of this, you need to go back to Vietnam, because the United States did essentially the same thing with Vietnam.
	It got involved in a war for reasons other than intentional rational politics.
	So right now we have a scenario where the United States is provoking war against Russia, coercing the Europeans into not buying Russian oil and gas, because we know the United States hit the Nord Stream 2 pipelines.
	The only reason to do this is to prevent multipolarity.
	And this is the great problem that does not get any press in this side of the Atlantic, at least.
	Now, it's all very nice and trendy to blame Jews for everything.
	It's a common cliché in the United States.
	But it's a big mistake.
	First of all, Israel is not, nor has it ever been, a Jewish state.
	Israel is a secular colonial enterprise concocted by mostly Slavs from Europe that profess to be Jews.
	But don't forget that during World War II, and the lead up to World War II, The Zionist Jews of Germany persecuted the believing religious Jews of Europe because they looked upon them as just ignorant sort of collaborationists with the Christian states in which they lived.
	The Zionists had no use for the religion.
	They were thoroughly secular.
	They use it as a shield behind which to justify all manner of terrorism, but really they're not Jewish.
	And in fact, if you look at the United States in particular, the greatest critics of Israel are themselves Jews, because they know that what Israel is doing is a violation of whatever religion they believe in.
	It's a violation of basic humanity.
	And it makes Jews into being targets for reprisal.
	I mean, the Jews don't want this.
	So you have to look at the psychopaths that are running Israel, and you have to treat them as Europeans, not as Jews.
	Because a Jew is not an ethnic term.
	There's no such thing as an ethnic Jew.
	There is no such thing as the Jewish people.
	I mean, Chaim Weizmann's great lie needs to be debunked.
	He said there were no Jewish Britons, only British Jews.
	And that's a lie.
	And it's just the way that Jews managed to reinvent themselves as an ethnic group so they can justify having a national homeland, which is a crock of shit.
	I mean, Jews have no right to live anywhere, just as nobody has the right to live in any given country.
	If that were the case, every Christian should go back to live in Italy.
	Every Catholic should live in Italy, because that's the home of the Catholic religion.
	So it's a load of crap, and I think what we need to do in this country, on this continent, is disambiguate Zionists from Jew.
	And I've had a few very unpleasant, a couple of unpleasant experiences being interviewed by people who refused to do this and became absolutely abusive toward me.
	One of these was a man named Dennis Fetschow.
	He's an expat Brit, I think, living in Jordan.
	Another one was a neo-fascist thug named Mark Collett.
	In England, he and three of his cronies got on the show.
	They were going to talk about my book, The Host and the Parasite, but they ended up haranguing me for not equating Zionists with Jew and blaming Jews for everything.
	Well, that's just bloody stupid.
	And there's no upside to it.
	All that does is promote the cult of Jewish victimhood.
	So I would like to see, you know, the press in this country look at the The essential totalitarian nature of American democracy, and if you look at what happens to countries that have representative governments that are so big that you can't have the popular democracy that obtained in, say, Athens or Corinth or in classical Greece, generally,
	You'll find that the government will evolve away from the public, that the interests of the government and the interests of the public will take on different colors.
	The public wants, you know, proper health care.
	It wants a decent education for their kids.
	It wants an affordable house.
	Well, that runs up against the self-interest of the corporations that really run the country.
	And so you have this sort of disconnect between the selfishness and the unenlightened self-interest of American big business, big armaments, big Israel, big drug, big pharma.
	Big credit cards.
	All of these organizations have glommed onto the The economy to such a degree, it's like an octopus.
	I mean, you can't have anything resembling a democracy unless you forcibly decentralize authority from these uber corporations and let cities and towns and other areas develop naturally.
	That's what the public wants, but it's not what the government wants.
	And what's a major theme of my book, and I came upon this theme a little bit later, I was kind of wishing I had found it earlier, is that if you look at what happened to democracy during the French Revolution, And you look at the speeches of the people who established the reign of terror, who executed tens of thousands of nobles, who terrorized the public into obeying the dictates of the revolutionary government.
	You look at their speeches they gave, you look at the arguments they made, and you could put them into the mouths of Lenin, Stalin, or any Buddy, in the American government, from at least Ronald Reagan onward, you will find that the French revolutionaries really invented the concept of totalitarian democracy.
	That is the biggest problem in the United States.
	A lot of people think that, oh, it's not democratic to invade Ukraine, that it would be wrong for us as a democratic state to want to provoke war, that we believe in peace, international world order, and all that happy stuff.
	Well, that's a load of nonsense.
	That's gone by the boards.
	Ukraine and Gaza have put the lie not only to democracy, but to the idea of democracy.
	And for many people, their histories have been stolen from them.
	We grew up for much of this last century with a very positive view of Jews, with a very positive view of our own country, the ideal of Western civilization, That fascism and Stalinism were bad things.
	That Russia was the enemy.
	To a lesser extent, China.
	Yet now, today, Russia is the sanest, most intelligent political country in the world.
	Russia is keeping us from World War III.
	So what does it say about democracy when the people that we fought in World War II have become us?
	We have gone completely full circle.
	And this is one of the great nonsenses that people just don't hear because this is not covered in the press.
	And this is what should be covered in the press.
	We have become our antithesis.
	And Ukraine... Fascinating stuff, Greg.
	I love it.
	Fascinating.
	Keith, I'm sure you have a lot of thoughts.
	Yours?
	Yeah.
	Greg, I dropped you an email with some links on it there, okay?
	Anyway... Okay, I'll look at it later, yeah.
	You're right, Greg, about Russia.
	Russia, morally today, is where America was probably 40, at least 40 years ago.
	Russia does not allow the LGBT stuff like that because, I don't know if anyone saw this or not, but if you get a third child in Russia, they'll pay off your mortgage.
	This goes to show you how family-orientated Russia is.
	Here you're supposed to go further and further in debt, or because you can't get a home and stuff, which is what most people are doing, is they're putting off getting married.
	They're putting off having children.
	And of course, everything about America is abortion.
	And Jim, I know we have different opinions on this, but that UNFPA report that the United States had helped China with its one-child policy, which aborted the entire population of the United States in its own article, it says that.
	Uh, that can't treat veterans, but yet they're open to perform abortions.
	Uh, it just, I actually, I'm not ready to put a, uh, a meme up.
	I was making a video, but, uh, just an open sign that the United States is a mortician that moonlights as a serial killer in order to keep the doors open.
	But, uh, Oh, you think that's a little harsh?
	I mean, no, I'm sorry.
	Oh, you mean about abortion?
	Yeah.
	Well, if you understood U.S.
	foreign policy, you'd understand that more because to receive foreign aid, you have to go along with the U.S.' 's eugenics program.
	There's a good article about the depopulation from the United States.
	And if you read the article, you'll see that to be able to receive foreign aid, you have to go with abortions, you have to go with the condoms, all this stuff like that.
	But it seems like the United States is the leader And all of this population control.
	And this is just like Henry Kissinger's NSSM 200, to where it says that the United States will require a large amount of vast resources.
	And of course, the first place or thing to do is to either depopulate the area or mass migration.
	What's wrong with condoms?
	What's wrong with supporting condoms?
	Oh, there's nothing wrong with that.
	I believe in that.
	But what is not taught in schools is morality.
	Morality is very subjective.
	There is no such thing as an objective morality.
	You can't teach morality.
	No, but you can teach all this LGBT stuff like that in the schools and stuff, and you get kids more sexually aware when they're younger.
	I mean, I didn't know about most sex stuff until I was about 13.
	Today, you listen to these five and six-year-olds out there talking like it's a second tongue to them.
	They have awakened the people to where they're having sex more often.
	Children are getting pregnant earlier.
	But again, this is part of this culture war type stuff, too.
	And again, the destruction of the nuclear family.
	That's why you have so many people that are on welfare and stuff.
	You've got a woman with five or six kids, but no husband.
	You know, the nuclear family, that was basically a 1950s stereotype.
	I mean, that ended up going by the boards in the 1960s.
	That's when feminism came in.
	Well, hang on, you can't really do that.
	The nuclear family was essentially a very rigid, hyper-conservative 1950s mentality, and it was not defensible in many ways because, to be fair, women didn't have a lot of say in how they lived.
	Now, feminism, I would say, has gone overboard and to a large extent has become an anachronism.
	But the idea that women didn't need to be married or that they could, you know, live a life that was not, say, the standard believe-it-to-beaver-type domestic arrangement, there's nothing necessarily wrong with that.
	I just think that what you need to separate is the use of political identity politics, like this sort of alphabet soup of sexual nonsense.
	is designed not to promote sexual promiscuity, but it's designed to, at least as far as I'm concerned, it's designed to destroy any sort of cultural integrity.
	It's designed to force people into paying attention to minority interests at the expense of a cohesive social or national ethos.
	I mean, there's no excuse for, again, for flogging this sexual nonsense before junior high school.
	I think anybody who does that really is sort of promoting the nonsense of absolute equality as some sort of generic concept without considering whether this is genuine.
	You can't impose equality.
	I guess that's what I'm saying.
	That is essentially what happened in the French Revolution.
	The revolutionaries imposed an equality that was dictated by Robespierre, Louis Saint-Just, and others.
	And it ended up becoming a tyranny.
	And one of the things with schools, because the educators and administrators are emasculated idiots who are afraid to stand up for themselves, who are afraid to challenge the governments that pay their bills, you end up with education that's essentially indoctrination.
	But, I mean, but morality is something that should be left.
	It should not be imposed on anybody.
	Because, because...
	You're fundamentally mistaken, Greg.
	There are many standards of morality.
	I publish on this.
	I go through eight different theories of morality and demonstrate only one can satisfy the relevant desiderata.
	I'd be glad to share that.
	What morality are you talking about?
	The way in which a person should treat other persons, which is with respect.
	It's R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
	Yeah, I haven't spelled two.
	Great.
	You should never treat another person merely as a means.
	You should always respect them as a person.
	Well, that was a manual caste categorical imperative, you know.
	Greg, listen, I give you plenty of time to talk.
	Kidnapping, murder, robbery, rape are obvious examples of using another person merely as means of warfare.
	Grossly immoral.
	There are international laws, international standards that incorporate the fundamental principle of morality, which is to always treat persons with respect.
	Yeah, but that's a principle.
	I mean, for morality, when I hear, and I hear a lot of People who are religious, they want to impose, say, a Christian morality on a school, or they want to impose a Jewish morality.
	You're mixing apples and oranges.
	Of course, different people have different views about morality.
	I go through all of them.
	Subjectivism, family values, religious values, cultural values, Ethical egoism, limited utilitarianism, utilitarianism, deontological moral theory.
	Could you even define all of those?
	Some of them I could.
	Yeah, some of them.
	The point is, if you go about it systematically, it is perfectly reasonable.
	I have done it.
	Well, no, I think you're dead wrong.
	objectivity of morality.
	So I'm just pointing out that one of your claims is false, provably false.
	Well, no, I think you're dead wrong.
	First of all, there's nothing...
	Does that bother me?
	Well, of course not.
	But the problem here is anything objective has to be imposed from above.
	No!
	This is ridiculous!
	That's such a confusion!
	I'm embarrassed to hear you say it, because I have such respect for you intellectually.
	A principle's a morality or objective.
	Whether people follow or embrace, that's a whole nother matter.
	It's got to do with politics, upbringing, education, economic systems, and the like.
	So you're really massively confused about morality.
	I'll affirm that emphatically.
	Well, you can do whatever you want, Jim, but I do think you need to appreciate— Well, Greg, you're saying the equivalent to me, for crying out loud.
	Keith, go ahead, give us your thoughts, Keith.
	Well, hang on just a minute here.
	First of all, morality, how people interact with each other, the common decency of treating somebody as an end of nature and himself, not as an instrument of one's own self-interest, that is something that's inherent within every human being.
	So that is a subjective respect that a person has for another person.
	If you want to read Adam Smith, For example, who was primarily a moral philosopher, not an economist.
	He believed that all people have within themselves something called fellow feeling or sympathy for others.
	This is something that we're innately born with.
	Is that true of serial rapists and serial murderers?
	They're acting out of their innate moral goodness?
	That's a bit of an absurd example.
	Come on, just hold on a minute.
	You're kind of getting worked up over nothing.
	If we're talking about the public school system and talking about teaching, I mean— We're talking about the public school system.
	I'm making a point that morality is objective.
	It's not subjective.
	And it's provable which conception of morality is the most rationally defensible.
	I have done it.
	Well, I'm good.
	I'm glad you've done it.
	That's fascinating.
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	Keith, Greg, Keith, Greg, I've sent both of you a copy of a recent piece of mine in Un's review called On the Nature of Immorality that'll give you some more understanding of my approach. I've sent both of you a copy of a recent Meanwhile, I do want to open the lines to callers.
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	Go ahead, Greg.
	I think I can clarify what I mean when I say that morality is subjective.
	If you take, say, 100,000 people and you ask them about how to behave toward one another, Let's say they're all rational, decent people, and they would all respect one another and treat all with respect, treat them as ends in themselves, not as instruments of their own self-interest.
	Well, the sum of those subjective wills, which will be more or less identical, it gives the illusion of an objective will.
	It's almost like a virtually objective morality.
	But an objective morality It's something that has to be imposed from the outside.
	I mean, it's objective.
	You can take, for example, something like the nature of the Earth.
	It's a sphere.
	It's not flat.
	That's basic physics.
	There's no defense for the other side.
	But just because I accept that it's round, a sphere, doesn't mean that everybody does.
	So there are people who will disagree.
	If something is objective, Then it's not possible to disagree with it.
	So everything that we believe in this world is a fact plus a belief, and that makes it a truth.
	So an objective fact is nothing different from a truth.
	But truth cannot be imposed.
	Truth has to come from within.
	And so a person will have a fact, like I know that I want to be treated well, therefore it's my belief that I should treat others well.
	So what you call objective morality, what you're doing is you're taking a principle like Immanuel Kant's critique of categorical imperative.
	Treat every person that you meet as an end of nature in themselves, not as an instrument of your will.
	That is a great principle.
	It's a principle, but it's not an objective morality.
	Morality comes from within every person, and some people will disagree about morality.
	For Muslims, for example, it is immoral to eat pork, but it's not immoral for any, for say, someone who is not a Muslim.
	What's moral to one person might be immoral to another.
	So it is rather difficult to categorize morality or immorality in absolute language.
	Well, Greg, can I ask you a question?
	Yeah.
	Fox News has a clip on there about the UN wants to mandate Teaching children five years of age on how to masturbate.
	I don't think children need to be taught how to masturbate.
	Well, I realize that, but I mean, this is with this equality type thing.
	But anyway, if you remember Leslie Stahl, when she interviewed, what's his name, Khan over there in Pakistan, she had commented that there were so many rapes happening in Pakistan.
	And he says, yes, but he says, look what Western influence has done.
	He's got, you've got the women dressing in these sleek outfits and stuff.
	And what as soon as it's exciting the men to become more sexually aware and stuff of not only themselves and others.
	And so again, it's not a mutual thing as they're taking out their liberties on someone else by raping them.
	So this is what happens now in Afghanistan.
	When the U.S.
	military pulled out, they found a whole bunch of U.S.
	military training manual type stuff on transgenderism.
	Why is the U.S.
	military teaching transgenderism?
	See, so you're pushing a lifestyle on other people, just as much as that Chicago teacher that was allowing children to play with dildos and butt plugs.
	Why would you do that?
	Now, regardless of the religion portion of it, Anyone that was moral would not want to subject their children to something like that.
	Okay, let me just jump in there.
	First of all, what you're talking about is an objective morality.
	It is objective by the person who is imposing it.
	If you want to disagree with something, you have the right to do so, but Trying to impose some sort of transsexual or homosexual morality on people, that is wrong.
	That is absolutely wrong.
	And that is why, when you look at what is something that is objective, it is by definition unquestionable.
	So these people are imposing a sort of a political morality.
	This is all politics.
	It's not really morality.
	It's it's political gamesmanship and it's it's destructive.
	It's horrible.
	OK, so what about the schools where parents go down and they talk to the Parent Teacher Association about the certain books that are being handed out and they read from the books and they have the parent arrested for reading what they call Some kind of language, abusive language and stuff.
	But if the same parent has their child come in, the child can sit there and read from that book all about oral sex, masturbation, anal sex, and they won't stop the child from talking about it.
	Now, again, that shows you there's an objection.
	I mean, there's a There's something going on here to where they're pushing an agenda.
	And then what they're doing, they're pushing... Greg confounds the principles of morality with whether they're widely adopted or acknowledged.
	There is nothing, no concept of objectivity that says it cannot be questioned.
	That's about as absurd as it gets.
	Everything can be questioned by some lunatic, no matter how obvious they might appear, even that 2 plus 2 equals 4.
	His case of spherical Earth is an obvious example.
	It's an objective fact.
	But there are plenty of people who challenge it, who think Earth is flat.
	Now, I happen to regard that as a psyop to try to sow confusion within what remains of an intellectual community within the United States.
	But Greg is clearly not separating principles of morality from whether or not those principles are adhered to or adopted.
	He has made allusion to it being inherent in human beings, that they have a tendency to treat other human beings with respect, which I grant I like and approve, but it is Kant's Second formulation of the categorical imperative that I argue is the objective truth about morality.
	That's a fundamental principle, and I offer criteria for evaluation.
	I go through all the alternative theories Greg is giving counter like something like popular sentiments.
	If most people believe something, then it must be true.
	But that's obviously false.
	Of course, there's widespread diversion of opinion about morality.
	That is not the question.
	My question, and what I mean by it, is, is there an objective principle that rational agents confronted with the same argument and alternative hypotheses would all agree is the principle of morality?
	The answer to that is emphatically yes.
	And I have a piece on Oon's relatively recent entitled The Nature of Immorality Or I explain how you can't sort out between alternative theories of morality and arrive at an objective conclusion about the principle of morality.
	I mean, I'll defend that in any forum, and if Greg wants to come back and we can have a debate on this subject, I would be open to doing that.
	But I submit that Greg is showing profound confusion between principles and whether they're in practice.
	That's a whole different question.
	The thing is when we talk about morality, though, I don't have a problem with thinking that we all should, you know, all religions at some level have the same belief system.
	And if you want to talk about an objective principle of morality, that's fine.
	But the whole point is when people behave morally or they behave immorally, Then we have to decide, well, what is the circumstance?
	I mean, you can't apply a morality to all conditions.
	For example, according to the Ten Commandments, it is a sin to kill.
	We shouldn't kill other people, and that's probably a very good one, but there are circumstances where it might be necessary.
	Of course, soldiers in combat, police in the performance of their duty, a person in self-defense, Greg, you're talking in terms of trivialities here, my friend.
	I'm sorry to say.
	Listen to this.
	The Talmudic version of Judaism allows the Jews, the chosen people, to lie, cheat, steal, even kill the non-Jews, the goyim, with impunity, because they are God's chosen people that are profoundly immoral.
	Mahatma Gandhi observed he'd studied all the world's religions.
	And the only one he found to have no redeeming merit was Judaism.
	And to that extent, I think you're wrong when you talk about, you know, not blaming the Jews, as it were.
	I think there's something profoundly wrong, and Judaism and Zionism are very much at the heart of the problems that plague the world today, as I and many others see it, Greg.
	And it fascinates me that the author of the Host and the Parasite is somehow, you know, exonerating Judaism.
	I find that utterly fascinating, Greg.
	I'm not exonerating Judaism.
	I didn't write about Judaism and the Host and the Parasite.
	What do you say, though, Greg, about right now, what's going on in Israel?
	The fact that a massive crowd went down there to have freed the IDF soldiers who were raping the Palestinians, both orally, I mean, both anally, boys and girls and men.
	And their Knesset voted on it in favor of the IDF.
	They accept that morally, that it's right.
	That's right.
	And yet you're taking the liberties of someone else, which is, you know, I just can't say, you know, and like Jim said, things happen in war, I understand that.
	Yeah.
	But this is in a controlled setting where you have prisoners.
	They're held hostage.
	They have no means of escape, flight, or any of that stuff, and yet you're physically torturing them with rape.
	Yes, I understand that.
	But the thing when you have... the person who's doing it doesn't find it immoral.
	So for the person doing it, even though we find it repugnant and grossly immoral, we know that because we are starting from a different moral perspective.
	The Jew who is doing this, in the context of some Talmudic or some other permission, does not see it as moral.
	is immoral.
	So although it may sound odd to you, the whole notion of what is considered to be objective morality just happens to be the sum of everybody else's personal belief that this is how the world should be.
	What is objective is done by, how is the word I'm looking for, by consensus.
	It is by consensus that we do this.
	Absolutely not. - Right, Keith, go ahead.
	Give us your further thoughts.
	I just think about what I see.
	You're forcing one's belief structure on someone else that thinks it's morally right for them to do something where it's opposed, and it does not mean religiously.
	I mean, this is like my body, my choice.
	If women have the right to abort a child and stuff like that, then you have the right to protect your own body.
	And this includes whether or not you receive jabs or any of this other stuff.
	You can't force morality on someone else.
	And a lot of this comes down to, and I'll call it the blood issue.
	Like if you're Jehovah's Witness, you don't accept blood, but yet you accept vaccines and yet vaccines are made with the embryos of babies.
	So other cells like that, if you listen to Stanley Plonkin, but, The fact is, you're imposing things by mandate, and they're doing that through schools today by forcing the LGBT agenda there.
	They're removing the U.S.
	flag in the schools, and they're putting the LGBT flag there, where it used to be illegal to have a pedophile near a school.
	You couldn't live there.
	They have teachers who are pedophiles.
	I mean, this is what is morally wrong, and that's the part I'm highlighting.
	Yeah, that's exactly correct, Keith.
	You're doing just perfectly correct.
	As a parent, you would not want a pedophile teaching your child.
	Especially since your bill debbies pay for these schools.
	You see, whatever is objective is determinedly defined as objective by an outside source, by some authority.
	For example, I'm so glad that I got out of public school when I did.
	This was before all this sort of other sexual fetishism became, you know, official policy.
	But to all intents and purposes, Promoting transsexual, homosexual, or other sexual or political interests, this has become the objective morality of the public school system, of the media, of government, of so many organizations.
	And that because it's objective, it can't be criticized.
	If you try to criticize it, you are stigmatized.
	This has to do with the use of the word objective here.
	You're merely talking descriptively.
	I'm talking normatively.
	Descriptively could be the fact that these institutions are embracing a certain conception of morality.
	That does not make it moral.
	So, you're just committing a fundamental fallacy right there from the beginning, Greg.
	I'm rather surprised, but there it is with large.
	You're saying it's an objective morality because they all embrace it.
	That is purely descriptive and carries no normative.
	It's like if they all embrace human sacrifice or they all embrace cannibalism.
	You would call that objective, their objective morality, but it doesn't make it moral in the normative sense.
	It's a Grotesque misconception of morality or proper practice in terms of how one person ought to treat another.
	But morality is also very culturally specific, isn't it?
	Yeah, but remember— Can I talk about the eight different theories I go through, you know, subjective?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
	But I mean, what's moral in one country might be considered immoral in another country.
	Of course!
	Of course!
	We're not talking about what's considered to be, we're talking about what is!
	I'm talking about the objective definition of morality, and you're talking about what people think is moral, which is a trivial matter about which we all agree.
	Keith, go ahead, get back in it.
	Well, it's like California, they're trying to legalize this map, this minor attracted persons, to where adults could have sex with children and stuff.
	Now, that's abhorrent to most people.
	Again, All we gotta do is look at what used to be normal, we'll just call it normal for now, of what laws were on the books, say five years ago, and they're wiping all these laws off the books because someone else might be offended.
	And what you're doing is you're changing the entire world's, I'll call it a health population problem there, because while they're teaching these kids all about the LGBT and all this stuff, they're not teaching the kids the other objective side of taking them to, say, a hospital to look at AIDS patients and stuff.
	They're not looking at what's going to be down further the road, you know?
	A lot of what you're talking about, Keith, has to do with informed consent.
	Children are not old enough to give informed consent to have sexual relation with anybody!
	That's correct.
	You're talking about adult predators who want to prey and they want it to be legalized so they won't be published for grossly immoral conduct that the world would condemn, but for the lunatics running California!
	And it seems there are an awful lot of them in the Democrat Party today.
	And there are a lot of bizarre sexual practices that are embraced by Judaism.
	I had an interesting conversation with the head of the department when I was hired as full professor.
	In Minnesota, on the Duluth campus, who was Jewish, a student of philosophy of religion, is pointing out to me how Christianity has no constraints on food, but constraints on sex.
	But in Judaism, there are a lot of constraints on food, but no constraints on sex.
	And I think that's part of the problem, because unrestrained sex includes pedophilia, And it appears there are many rabbis, for example, who embrace it.
	I mean, we could go into a lot of sordid stories here, but the point is, whether a group does or not embrace certain practices and think of them as moral does not make them moral.
	Correct.
	There was a teacher that was forced, A little girl had come home and she found out, or her mother found out, that the teacher had that girl perform oral sex on six other students.
	Now, so, if I was a father, you can imagine me, how livid I would have been.
	Yeah, but again, see, this is where people, you know, well, it might be moral for one person or not, but like, the point is, I wouldn't even subject a child to any of that stuff at that age anyway.
	But isn't that criminal, though?
	Isn't that a violation of whatever statutory laws?
	Yeah, but they keep changing the laws, because I noticed this years ago in Britain, where they wanted to lower the age of sexual consent down to 12.
	And I keep thinking that's probably to protect a lot of these politicians, so that if they're caught, they'll never get charged, you know?
	But that's what it is.
	There was another case of where a 16-year-old boy was molested by a 22-year-old or something like that, and it fell within a 10-year age limit, whatever it was.
	And, uh, they almost nabbed the guy, except they asked the kid during the court session, did you become sexually aroused?
	And the kid says, well, yeah, he was playing with my, you know, and they says, well, then you gave him the signal that it was okay.
	Well, anyone that, you know, I mean, involuntary physical response, no one could avoid.
	So, but this is how I say, This is where the guy, yeah, the guy that's doing it, I'll call it a procedure, but he thinks that he has the moral authority then to overtake the child's body.
	Because he got an okay signal because the kid became aroused or something.
	I mean, it's obnoxious to think of this.
	Yes, it is.
	Greg, we're nearing the conclusion of our conversation.
	I want you to expand upon where people can find your work.
	Tell us about your past, your future, your new book and all that.
	The floor is yours.
	Thank you.
	You can find my books at moneytreepublishing.com.
	There's the Host and the Parasite, How Israel's Fifth Column Consumed America, and Exploding Middle East Myths, 15 Years of Exposing Zionist Propaganda.
	My book, SARS-CoV-2, Contagion, Collusion, Corruption, is available at turningthetidepublishing.com.
	They're both imprints of the same publisher.
	I'm currently working on a book, tentatively called Shoot the Messengers, about how the media is the greatest threat to human civilization because it makes tyranny possible.
	And I'm looking at four common narratives that are being I just think I do want to clarify one thing about morality.
	I will submit that there is a common thing within all of us that is morally defensible and it's common to all people.
	So you might want to call that objective by definition.
	Which I think I can do.
	But when I hear the word morality, I find that I find it difficult to separate the imposition of morality.
	Because when people talk about objective morality, then I have to figure out what's involved with that.
	But you consider objective morality, I would accept, but I wouldn't call it that.
	So I would find that perhaps we have a slight language conflict there.
	That was about all we had.
	That may be.
	That may be, Greg.
	I hold you in high esteem.
	You're a very intelligent, serious guy.
	You do a lot of good work on controversial issues.
	Would you like to add a few closing thoughts vis-a-vis our conversation today?
	Yeah, my only thing that I've noticed in the news here recently is the key word of retaliatory.
	Israel goes out and they do an assassination here.
	They do an assassination there.
	And the biggest one, of course, was with the Hamas leader inside Tehran, who was the peace negotiator.
	He had nothing to do with the military itself.
	He was just a negotiator.
	But when When Israel bombed the Syrian embassy over there, which was Iranian property, there was naturally a retaliatory strike under UN law.
	But the way Israel looks at it today is any type of an attack on Israel is an attack on Israel.
	It's because they show no guilt for anything they do, which might lead us into a World War III setting because Israel feels no Remorse for anything it does because of this chosenness or whatever they want to call it like that.
	They think they have the right to slaughter millions.
	And my biggest pet peeve of this is the Israeli military now are now wearing that green enlarged map of the greater Israel on their uniforms.
	If you look at that, that means that there's tens of millions of more Arab Muslims that will be leaving Egypt, Jordan, other states there, you know, that are all going to be pushed out of their areas.
	And it seems like the United States government is going to facilitate this.
	And it's no different than the U.S.
	government facilitating the massive ethnic cleansing over there in Ukraine and accepting the immigrants from there.
	Uh, the immigrants from Syria.
	It just like everyone is having immigrants being pushed away and it's all to form the greater Israel in that case.
	And then the other one south of the border is for all of this, uh, uh, corporate, uh, uh, expansionism that the U S sits there and they assassinate all these leaders.
	Uh, in Mexico alone, it was 88.
	They've assassinated, uh, In the last couple of months like that, and I don't know whether to get that new Jewish president in there or not, but the point is, though, is they cause all the problems, just like India has been one of the biggest arms sales to Israel lately, as well as the United States.
	And they post online there that Israel's export arms sales have been the highest ever since the Gaza War started.
	All these arms going to Israel are being flooded into Central America and everything like that to keep the other wars going, to keep the migrants flowing.
	And it's just like, we're being destroyed because of all these NGOs and stuff, like the 30 NGOs that are Jewish.
	Remember when the Ukraine aid package went through that three, sorry, four billion of that went to these NGOs to facilitate the border crossings and stuff.
	And Mayorkas, who talks about having that special phone app, Where immigrants can come from their own country to bypass the border in Texas or California, whatever.
	They can fly to their destination city at the taxpayer's expense.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Greg.
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