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June 7, 2024 - Jim Fetzer

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The Raw Deal (7 June 2024) with co-host, John Carman, Spec Guests: Katherine Horton & Bill Binney

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	Not just anybody.
	You know, I need someone.
	I was young, so much younger than today.
	I never needed anybody's help in any way.
	Now that all these days are gone, I'm not so self-assured.
	But I know if I change my mind, I know I'll love the cold.
	Tell me if you can, I'm feeling down.
	And I do appreciate you being around.
	Help me get my feet back on the ground.
	Won't you please help me?
	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, this 7th day of June 2024.
	I've invited as my featured guest Bill Benny, former expert with the NSA for 30 years, one of our nation's modern heroes, and his wife, Dr. Katherine Horton, a PhD physicist from Oxford.
	Who has led the fight against targeted individuals in the courts where directed energy weapons are using to harass.
	I'm here, of course, with John Carman, former Secret Service Customs agent.
	While we await The arrival of Catherine and Bill.
	And by the way, we've had interference before in our communications, so in many ways this does not surprise me.
	Let me begin, John, by asking your take on What's going on with this guy, Donald Trump?
	You know, the Democrats would love if this judge were to throw him in Rikers Island.
	It appears that they have designed a plan and its punishment is for only a year, because if in Lower Manhattan you're sentenced to a year or less, you are consigned to Rikers, the most dangerous prison in the country.
	We have the guy who was ahead of the January sex committee, Bernie Thompson, who's a complete scumbag, proposing legislation to deny secret service to convicted felons.
	It's clear they want Trump in Rikers without any secret service so he can be shanked.
	I have no doubt about it.
	This is just about as low as you can go other than outright assassination, your thoughts.
	Well, it's exactly that, Jim.
	First off, they will not risk the life of a former president or a current president.
	And if he's a former president, he's on what we call the COG list, continuity of government.
	In case of an emergency, guess what?
	If we're under attack, they will take all those other former presidents and whisk them out to another place of security because they've got prior experience.
	They know how things are run.
	They actually still get national security briefings.
	OK, so a lot of that stuff is a continuous part of staying alive, keeping the country running and all that.
	But what what Fat Alvin Bragg did was so bad that why hasn't he been arrested and put in federal prison himself?
	But that's all part of the Democrat agenda.
	So, you know, that's where that's going.
	There's no way they're going to take Secret Service Protection away from a president or former president.
	There will be some serious repercussions on that.
	And by them even trying to put him in a situation, or a prison, or a jail, or some sort of situation where they're trying to hinder, or block, or obstruct Secret Service Protection, they would be in violation of national security rules, stuff like that.
	That means they could do whatever they have to do to protect the president.
	There's no way all this BS speculation.
	Oh, they're going to have Secret Service spending time with him at a jail somewhere.
	Trump's very proud.
	He would gladly go to a jail or prison to prove a point.
	But I don't think he needs to do that.
	That's not that's not practical.
	34 counts my behind, you know?
	Oh, I know.
	The whole thing was ridiculous.
	Clearly unconstitutional.
	The judge's instructions to the jury were beyond belief.
	Many legal experts have commented upon it.
	Not just Jonathan Turley.
	Not a big fan of Trump, but a big fan of equal justice under law and upholding the Constitution.
	The only way in which Alvin Bragg was able to convert a misdemeanor in his business record, by the way, had already been examined and dismissed by the Securities and Exchange.
	The Federal Election Commission already decided there was nothing to it.
	He converted what would have been a petty misdemeanor for a bookkeeping error, where Trump didn't keep his own books after all.
	He has accountants and other attorneys to perform those functions into a felony by claiming it was in furtherance of another crime, but he never specified what that other crime was.
	And when the judge gave the instruction to the jury, he said, Not only that you don't have to be unanimous, which in a criminal court case is wrong to begin with, it should be a unanimous verdict, but he gave him three different choices as to what the other crime was, which is just absolutely unheard of, so that he was basically directing them to find Trump guilty, regardless of the evidence, John.
	This is so insulting!
	Well, the part about Trump, he stated it himself that they had indicators on a document or what his auditors would do and things like that.
	Business expense is an idea.
	I'm throwing that in.
	If you have an account and you have an attorney, And you pay your attorney his fees for consultations and whatever it is.
	That's a legal expense.
	So it's a real tiny entry on a document on a ledger.
	That's the word I was trying to spit out on a ledger.
	Business expense, attorney fees, travel, blah, blah, blah.
	All these other things are listed a certain way.
	There's no explanation.
	No explanation necessary.
	It is a private record of so much money to an attorney.
	That's it.
	Period.
	How can they interpret that?
	There's no crime committed.
	They don't even know what the law is, and they can't do it.
	So you're exactly right on target with that.
	What the judge did is illegal as hell.
	Let the heads roll when he gets back into office.
	Yeah, I'm delighted that Catherine Horton, Bill Binney joined me now.
	I'm just ecstatic about this.
	Delighted to see you both.
	I was explaining, Bill, you were former NSA for 30 years and an expert on Russia.
	You're the right man for today's questions and issues, especially regarding the forum taking place in St.
	Petersburg.
	And Catherine, have you been leading the fight in the law and the courts against target individuals who have been hit with directed energy weapons, which you know so well, being a targeted individual yourself?
	Bill, let me begin with St.
	Petersburg.
	Putin gave a three-hour address the other day, and it's not been properly covered.
	I have a caller to one of my radio shows who has a husband who's in Russia.
	She's been following it closely.
	It appears that Putin explained that if Russia is forced to respond to the West, that he's going to target not New York, not Chicago, not Los Angeles, but Boeing, General Dynamics, Raytheon.
	This is so sensational, so smart.
	I'm just in awe of the guy.
	Bill, your thoughts?
	Well, I just think that this whole thing is just spiraling out of control.
	It never should have been that big.
	I mean, as Trump has said, it never should have happened in the beginning.
	I mean, it's because of the fools we have in government now.
	And basically because of the fundamentally the joint cooperation between the Democrat and Republican parties to take us to this threshold of conflict.
	And it's only gonna escalate unless we don't get somebody in there smart enough to stop this stuff.
	And that to me is Trump.
	Everybody else seems to be, let's go kill people.
	And instead of trying to figure out why we got here and trying to fix that and trying to get people some sense of security in the world, I mean, that's why this whole thing has started, because of the way that NATO has acted, and the way that they've moved closer and closer to Russia, when in fact, if they wanted to stop this, when they asked Ukraine to join NATO, they could have asked Russia to join too.
	And it would have all been over.
	We would all be in a part of the same community, the same defensive pack, you know.
	But we have fools in our government who think that it's important to have, well, they had to justify a trillion dollar budget for the Defense Department, you know.
	And they had to keep that money flowing.
	And in order to do that, you have to have an enemy that's worthy of that much money.
	And so you have to have the Russians as an enemy.
	So, you know, it's all about money and influence and control.
	And that's because we're led by fools.
	Well, let me offer just a slightly different interpretation, where there are stooges, or instruments, of the Zionists of the Rothschilds' empire.
	It appears the Rothschilds have declared the New World Order, which would be based in Jerusalem.
	Ruling the world from Jerusalem.
	Go back to Isaiah 56, 66, and you get the Zionist agenda laid out, where all the nations of the world must pay their tribute to Zion.
	I think that's the plan, but they believe they cannot move forward without Ukraine, and therefore, they must have Ukraine at all costs, even if that involves expending the United States and Russia in a nuclear exchange.
	What I like about what I'm being told about Putin, I'm having a terrible time verifying this, because he even made maps showing the targets he had mined.
	I think he's doing a great job of pulling the rug out from under the enterprise of attacking Russia.
	But my take is that they're going all in for Ukraine, which is to be the new Israel.
	Your thoughts about that interpretation?
	Well, I certainly think that they're certainly using the Ukrainians to do that.
	That's what I see.
	And they're doing it at the expense of the Ukrainian people and the Russian people, too.
	I mean, all these people dying, this is senseless killing on all sides.
	I mean, you know, I used to be in the army.
	You know, I feel for these guys who are going into the field.
	You could see them killing each other and killing other people, civilians, innocent civilians on the side.
	I mean, it's just a pathetic situation.
	Yeah, I, you know, I just, I cannot, I cannot fathom people any, I call them all warmongers in Washington, because that's basically what they are.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Yes, Catherine, I just want to add, in terms of the numbers, Ukraine's lost anywhere from 500,000 to a million men.
	The Kharkov operation by Russia is traveling 40,000 to 45,000 more.
	They don't have any replacements.
	Their commanders are complaining they don't know what they're doing.
	They can't even assemble and reassemble their weapons.
	It's that bad.
	Catherine, your thoughts?
	So I'm going to be again the stick in the mud, the contrarian opinion.
	I think everything that you guys have said is true, but only goes to a certain level.
	I like the fact that we moved on to the Rothschilds and the new world order, but as a systems analyst, I can tell you that the new world order is just branding.
	It's going to be the old world order.
	And that's because it is physically impossible to, from one day to the next, over a couple of decades, over the lifetime of the current Rothschilds, to bring in any sort of new networks.
	So the people who are still in power are the old networks.
	And I would like to make two points.
	Number one, Russia is just as much under the control of the Rothschilds and the Masons like the West.
	So when you look at Oleg Deripaska and Roman Abramovich, they are Rothschild men.
	All the big corporations, big mining operations, they are in the hands of these Rothschilds.
	Now, what I really applaud is moving the discussion away from what Bill accurately pointed out, young men killing other young men in the field and none of them really have an interest in what's going on or even a basic understanding what's going on.
	Now, the people who do have an interest when you follow the money, At the first level are Boeing and Lockheed Martin and all these are all these bigger weapons contractors.
	And also it should be remembered that all these countries are buying the weapons from the same manufacturers, right?
	So you it really seems like you're going back to the source.
	You are destroying the source of the font of all these weapons, including the modern-day weaponry like directed energy weapons, right?
	So that is the first step, but I would also encourage Putin and actually we should do the same thing in the West.
	To go one level above, because at the end of the day, Boeing and Lockheed Martin are not the top of the chain.
	They are owned by somebody.
	And at this point, if you just indulge me for one minute, Jim, I think this is very important.
	I would like to bring up a scientific paper.
	I've mentioned it before, but I believe this is the... Would you like to share?
	I would like to share my screen.
	I do have the button, so I...
	I have it right here.
	So, the paper I would like to share is from 2011.
	Yeah, here we go.
	Okay, I've got it.
	I've got it.
	So, there we go.
	In 2011, I think it was the ETH Zurich.
	So the systems analysis department of the ETH Zurich published the first ever mapping of the global economy.
	So they looked at 40,000, I think 40 or 48,000 of the largest international companies, and they were trying to figure out who owns all them.
	So what is the actual ownership structure?
	And what they found is that And this ties right back into Russia, by the way, so I'm going somewhere with this.
	But this is really the map we really should be looking at.
	So what they found is that I think it was 40% of the biggest international companies could be directly linked back to a super entity.
	They were all owned by a super entity and 60% of the revenue of these companies, so almost 60% of world corporate revenue, roughly speaking, was owned by this one entity.
	And the way that they built this global monopoly was not by having the majority of shares, but controlling the board.
	That's where control files come in, that's where pedophilia comes in, and all this sort of stuff.
	So the actual paper, and I really encourage everybody to check it out, because it is really what...
	Everything that came out of science, the most important thing for humanity, I believe, is this paper.
	It's called the Network of Global Corporate Control.
	And if I can move this window, there's on the right hand side a view PDF link and you get to the direct paper for free.
	It's free publishing.
	And what I would like to draw people's attention to is on page three.
	Is this page three here?
	Yes, this is really the conclusion of the whole thing.
	So this is the overall structure of the super entity.
	So this is the super entity right at the bottom.
	So what really this diagram is easier to understand.
	Every dot, every colorful dot is a company that owns another company or rather the board members Executive and especially non-executive directors sit on other boards and control other companies so the control structure looks something like that and the red dots are the ones where most of the control lines come together but it's all interconnected and that the At the very heart of it is a ring and it's made up of these companies.
	Let me just blow it up.
	So this, ladies and gentlemen, is the global cartel.
	These are the people who own Boeing and Lockheed Martin and a ton of other stuff.
	And if you look at it, these are all banks and insurance companies.
	Barclays, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, Commerzbank.
	You know, Bank of America, Chase, Goldman Sachs, some don't exist anymore and have been restructured, reabsorbed into the beast.
	But the point is that bombing Boeing and Lockheed Martin or bombing their factories is a really good start.
	I really applaud that.
	But especially if it's after hours, you really want to just destroy the kid, not the actual people.
	But going to the next level, destroying Bank of America and bombing Chase would be the next best thing.
	You're actually moving up and ultimately this is how The Rothschilds, I mean, there's this famous saying about the one of daddy or granddaddy, great-granddaddy Rothschild, who said, I don't control, you know, I don't care who runs the country.
	I only, you know, the only thing that matters is who controls the printing of money or the source of money.
	Well, this is how they do it.
	The central banks are the public arm that also ties into this.
	All the central banks are also owned by an inner cartel.
	But it maps to this cartel.
	Now, the other reason why you need to know this is once you have this map, this global cartel, this big ring at the top, you also see Bank of America here on the right-hand side.
	And Bank of America has been in the news a couple of months ago because they sent the details, the location details of their customers who were in the capital on January 6th to the FBI without having been asked for that data.
	It is a very unusual move by a company.
	So there's actually a congressional inquiry about this.
	So on these government pages, you can find a page that goes into this.
	But why would a company do that without a warrant from the FBI?
	The FBI didn't even approach them.
	It's because they are the cartel.
	They are the people who are trying to keep Joe Biden in power.
	They are people who are trying to Keep World War 3 going to increase revenue for their subsidiaries, the companies they own, like Boeing and Lockheed Martin.
	So, these are also the companies that would be owning the Russian mining operations and so on.
	So, it's all interconnected.
	And now we have to move globally, instead of fighting each other, to fighting this cartel.
	That's what I wanted to say.
	Hey, Catherine, I wanted to ask real quick.
	This is John Carman.
	John, by the way, is my regular co-host on Fridays.
	He's former Secret Service, U.S.
	Customs and so forth.
	Go ahead, John.
	I was looking at the map.
	That's a really good one.
	I had to write it down so I could look it up later.
	What was the AXA?
	It was near the center.
	Oh, AXA.
	That's an insurance company.
	It's more known in Europe, AXA.
	I think it's originally French, if I'm not mistaken, but it comes from most of the insurance companies.
	I was just on the Zoom call this morning and I was telling Jim, I talked to a gentleman by the name of Nick Mancuso.
	Do you know him?
	No.
	Bill?
	Nope.
	He's a famous... That's sort of counterproductive.
	He's sarcasm.
	He's a famous actor, writer, producer.
	He used to be in the United States.
	Stingray.
	He was on my buddy Seagal's movie, Under Siege.
	He played the CIA guy and all those things.
	I just talked to him.
	I've talked to him regularly.
	I used to do shows where I would have him And some Russian colonel on and another guy out of the front line near the Ukraine area.
	So the latest I was going to share, but since it sort of fits in, was that he was sharing some information I had to get off to get ready for the show, was that Putin does not want to use nuclear weapons.
	They have plenty of other weapons that they can handle the problem.
	And then a little tidbit was that the control area would be like our NORAD was taken out, so Zelensky is sitting there on his hands, basically.
	But I've got some really strong opinions about that guy, okay?
	I don't hold back.
	You know, how come they just go right in, get rid of all that stuff, and all this other stuff?
	And I get all these premonitions, even about the Donbass area, because there were songs about it by these beautiful Russian girls that were singing it.
	Two years ago.
	Two years ago.
	So, but anyway, I hear from him regularly and he's telling me all this stuff and I said, that's good.
	We need to talk some more because I'm not getting messages.
	I was on the show yesterday with somebody else and literally the stream yard was being blocked off and kicking me off and kicking me off like five times.
	And it was saying, like, the host kicked me off.
	I said, no, the host is right there.
	He didn't kick me off.
	And they got kicked off.
	Listen, I think you made an important point.
	Putin also said this would not be done with nukes.
	It would be done with conventional weapons.
	And Catherine, he cited the city of London as among his prime targets.
	Now, that's right at the heart of the empire.
	Yeah, I would limit bombing to the City of London, the extraterritorial area of City of London.
	Not many people live there and those who do are millionaires for whom it's just a local shag pad and they have houses elsewhere.
	So with a bit of 15 minutes notice they can skedaddle.
	So the City of London and then may I also suggest the Vatican maybe?
	Yes, yes, yes, yes!
	I think Mubarak has obviously said, if you want to put an end to international terrorism, just lob a cruise missile into the city of London.
	My point being, Putin has such clarity of thought that talking this way about taking out these crucial targets and using conventional rather than nuclear weapons, I think he's pulled the rug out from under the whole effort to demonize Russia.
	Part of the reason they've been so gradual in Ukraine is because they're trying to protect the civilian population.
	They haven't been going after the infrastructure.
	They could have settled this in a couple of weeks if they'd been ruthlessly aggressive about it.
	Your thoughts, Bill?
	Also remember that they're using conventional weapons because those are the weapons caches you have to get rid of to bring in the new stuff.
	By the way, I mean, sorry, just one thing, one thing, please.
	This is also another indication that this is yet another staged war.
	There's a level above, there's a level above Putin that's already part of this international cartel.
	Putin is a royal arch freemason, just like the head of MI6, traditionally.
	You know it's also there's an extra layer so I also think this is again a staged war and really what it is is the asset stripping of Ukraine it doesn't even matter which side wins because eventually the same global cooperation or global Corporate control companies will take over all the resources.
	But the strongest indication that it's a staged war is that there's no real ferocious attempts to take out the leaders.
	In a war that you want to kill quickly, you take out the top leaders, one or two levels of management, the rest of them are clueless.
	The second thing is each side has, you know, invisible drones, or let's call them visually camouflaged drones, Very fast, very sleek.
	By the way, they can be launched and built from pretty much anywhere.
	And they could take out our leaders such that it looks like a heart attack.
	I'm talking about pulsed energy projectiles, directed energy weapons.
	The Secret Service would be helpless.
	You can't, you know, you can't protect, like, the four pi of a dome.
	Four pi is a mathematical definition of a sphere around you, right?
	An area of four pi around the president at all times.
	A monitor for drones or monitor for any self-built, you know, directed energy weapons, which fit into a suitcase, by the way.
	Really, when we don't have this kind of taking out of world leaders, we don't see assassination attempts, it is just another bloody staged war.
	There's a plan, they know how it's going to end, and they are just all playing out the parts.
	That's what I feel.
	But now I shut up.
	That's not my take, but I'm fascinated.
	John, go ahead, say your piece.
	Well, I was simply going to point out that the situation we're in now is the reverse of a situation that came into the past.
	Uh, specifically during the Korean War.
	Uh, during the Korean War, you know, the North Koreans couldn't, uh, they were given MiG-17s and they couldn't fly them.
	So the Russians provided all the pilots to fly the MiG-17s against our Air Force in Korea.
	So they were actively participating in that war against us with, with people and the, and equipment.
	Here we're only participating with the equipment and training for our Stooges, the Ukrainians, to go get killed and kill, you know, Russians.
	So, I mean, It's exactly the same thing.
	I think Putin's running a bluff here, because if he did that, what that would require is a response from NATO states to fire back missiles at Russia.
	Then we're in World War III.
	And I don't, you know, this is just insanity.
	Hang on, we got a break right here.
	We'll be right back with Gathered Art, Bill Benny and John Carman.
	Stand by.
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	And now we return you to your host.
	Well, this is Jim Fetzer here with my co-host, John Carman, with my special featured guest, Bill Benning and Catherine Horton, who's giving me a curveball Bill Benning and Catherine Horton, who's giving me a curveball here by suggesting we have a wag the dogs in Erie House.
	Fascinating thoughts.
	Putin's also indicated that since the West is providing missiles that are being used for deep strikes into Russia, Russia could do the same, provide others with Russian missiles to hit deep.
	Catherine, in part, I'm a bit blown away because South Front and War 24-7 have given us just a barrage of ongoing reports about the offensive, the fights, and while not a lot of territory has changed, Russia has, it seems to me, been very effective in decimating the Ukrainian army, no matter which
	NATO troops, NATO equipment, the Abrams tanks turn out to be just a waste of time and money, easily defeated, require constant maintenance, and so forth, have very limited range.
	The Russians are improving their equipment and their troops to be superior in every fashion.
	John was eager to make an ad, so go ahead, John, then we'll go back to Catherine.
	Oh, I was going to compliment Catherine.
	She's right on target.
	I agree with her 100% and Bill, especially the part about the Secret Service protection issues.
	They put a movie out years ago, White House Downs, Gerard Butler plays a really good agent, but that's where they were at a subsequent movie.
	They were attacking the area in D.C.
	with dropping hundreds or thousands of drones.
	What a brilliant idea that was.
	I've been talking about drones since 91 because people were using it to smuggle across the border.
	But with facial identification, I think Elon Musk and a few other technological people with a lot of money, they already brought that out that they use it for assassination.
	Uh, self-attaching with an explosive device.
	So that's just been going on for at least 25 years to my, my knowledge, but that's really good, uh, perceptive, uh, type information.
	And, uh, I agree with Catherine on that stuff.
	That's a pretty perceptive on her part.
	Go ahead, Catherine.
	Well, we have daily experience of exactly these drones.
	Our house is being barraged with pulsed energy projectiles and various directed energy weapons.
	So what that feels and sounds like in practice is that they are especially hunting me.
	So I would go from one room to another in the house or across the whole house and impact sounds would follow me around.
	And when I leave the house, there are no impact sounds or very rarely when I'm there every couple of seconds, you know, and depending on how hard they hit, it just sounds like somebody, you know, knocking a table or something like that, or knocking something inside the ceiling or in a wall next to you, but it's very targeted.
	So if I sit down at this desk, it would typically hit the wall next to me or behind me, or they sometimes go in a circular pattern.
	So hit all four walls around me.
	So, but if we go outside, we can't see anything.
	We have spectrum analyzers that show that something is above the house.
	The, you know, other stuff that is more continuous and easier to capture is coming from above.
	So you know we have electronic warfare signals which are line of sight hitting the house at super high intensity 24-7.
	They seem to be coming from above and yet when we go outside we can't see a drone.
	So what I'm also saying is that they have visual camouflage technology.
	There's a paper in Nature about how you can make objects invisible and You know, you don't have to go very far away.
	If you have a reasonably small-sized drone, you know, beyond a certain distance, it's already hard to spot.
	If you have the most basic visual cloaking, it's very hard to spot.
	But this technology, we are being harassed with it for fun.
	So, you know, from my own research, I know that directed energy weapons are extremely cheap to put together.
	Once you have the technological know-how, it's not very big, it's not very heavy, it's not very expensive, and they are the weapons of the future.
	And also, I think we said that on the other show, we were targeted in Maryland Just when Bill used to live right next to NSA, the attacks were so hard we had to move our bedroom into the basement.
	And we had to keep putting more and more layers of sheet metal shielding above us so that I could even sleep from the pain of the gunning.
	And eventually we bought metal whiteboards because they were partially magnetic, had also nice metal backing and were cheap to buy.
	So we put down a couple and one night there were two ginormous bang, you know, impact sounds right above us.
	And when I went upstairs, we found these holes that were punched into the sheet metal.
	And these are brand new whiteboards that we just bought two days earlier.
	So, you know, and they managed to shoot holes into sheet metal without damaging the roof or the floors above.
	So with these weapons, you know.
	This reminds me of one of the assassination attempts against Donald Trump, where they used a drone with a rifle firing into his bedroom.
	And it would have killed him except the week before they'd replaced the glass with bulletproof.
	Otherwise, he would be dead!
	Bill, what's your take?
	Is this war real, or is it fiction?
	Is it a Hollywood production?
	I'm finding it difficult to believe that Ukraine hasn't actually lost between 500 and a million soldiers to the Russians.
	Well, I don't know that any of the statistics that's being put out by either side are accurate, you know.
	I just don't know that that's true.
	I mean, usually what they do is they put out what they want people to believe.
	So, I mean, that's what our government does.
	That's what the Biden administration and the Democrats are doing.
	They're trying to push a narrative out that they want people to believe, and it's totally false.
	There's no factual basis for any of the assertions they're making.
	So, I mean, this is typical of governments, not just to totalitarian states, but also ours.
	So it doesn't matter which state you're listening to, they're all lying.
	You have to verify everything they say.
	My assessment is based on multiple sources, including Sputnik, Russian News.
	I even have a colleague, Scott Bennett, who's been to Ukraine, come back to report about it.
	South Front and War News 24-7 both seem to be highly reliable.
	I mean, I've been following this from the beginning, you know.
	I mean, I'm making reports every single day about these developments, and I'm quite convinced the War of the Devastation is real, the atrocities by the Ukrainians, that they were out to decimate the Donbass, and it was on the eve of a slaughter that would have paralleled what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza, that Putin intervened in order to preclude it from happening,
	And why he called it a special military operation, it was a defensive act.
	Since the U.S.
	had deposed the Russia-friendly government in 2014 and replaced him with a Western stooge who was elected as the successor, the Donbass had been on constant artillery bombardment.
	Up to that point, killing around 2,000 native Russian, ethnic Russian, Russian speakers in the Donbass.
	Historically, of course, Ukraine was a part of Russia.
	The whole thing is, in my opinion, quite outrageous, but unfortunately, all too real.
	I'm just interested.
	Fabulous, of course, and quite brilliant in her analysis.
	So I'm really fascinated that we could have a divergence of opinion about a matter as fundamental as this.
	Yeah, I mean, that's part of the story that isn't being told, you know.
	And the coup in the Ukraine in 2014, they haven't been telling that either.
	And that whole thing was a manipulative setup by NATO and the United States governments at the time to take Take advantage of the situation and move their power control closer to Russia.
	And that's what got Putin upset.
	So, and he made that perfectly clear.
	And I don't, I mean, even in 2014, they could have made it, they could have solved this problem then by inviting everybody into NATO.
	You know, I don't understand.
	I mean, Ukraine is as corrupt as Russia is.
	So I don't see any reason why that both of them, you're going to invite one and invite them both.
	And then there's no problem.
	There's no, no, we're all.
	But then, but then, but then there's no tension for no justification.
	Exactly.
	That's exactly my point.
	The industrial complex isn't going to make the billions upon billions.
	It does by selling this expensive hardware, most of which is defective and where it's no better than these Abrams tanks.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's outrageous.
	You know, Macron was leaked in advance yesterday during the Normandy 80th observance, was declaring that Europe is going to war with Russia.
	Honestly, I wasn't certain we'd have this conversation because I believe that a nuclear exchange might have already been precipitated, but apparently not.
	And if not, my best guess is because Putin pulled the rug out from under by talking about these targets.
	Including the city of London.
	I love that.
	I would like to believe Tel Aviv is also on his list.
	I don't believe Brussels.
	There have been those that have suggested that the West has been so obtuse, so unwilling to recognize the threat to Russia, and that Russia may feel compelled to respond, and that Russia is far better prepared for a war it doesn't want to fight than the West is for a war it wants to fight.
	I'm just announcing they're going to take out Brussels, you know, NATO headquarters in Brussels, announce it in advance, have it evacuated, have NATO do its best to stop and use one of their hypersonic missiles to take it out and show Russia cannot be stopped, because Russia cannot be stopped.
	My take, your thoughts?
	Well, you see, this is the part that, you know, is that I saw as the justification for this continued tension between the United States, NATO and Russia.
	It's to justify all the spending that you were talking about.
	It's close to a trillion dollars a year now in our budget alone.
	Counting what's happening in the NATO now, now they're starting to spend more on defense and weapons and so on.
	So, it's only going to get worse and there's going to be a greater emphasis on keeping the money flowing and the problem going.
	So, that's the whole point.
	That's why they have to keep, you know, Russia as a As a potential foe, because it's the only one that would justify such extreme spending, other than China, of course.
	Well, Britain, in defense, has put 11 nuclear subs to sea.
	Their combined firepower with independently targetable warheads is on the order of 1,000.
	They've got some 400 silos distributed.
	I used to think the Midwest was secure, but that's where they put all these silos!
	So you don't even know I'm here in Wisconsin and, you know, I'm thinking maybe I'll survive because I'll hit Chicago.
	No, no, no, I think not.
	I think there may be silos around the corner of which I'm blissfully unaware.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think this Putin guy is just some kind of geopolitical genius.
	He's a real strategic thinker, as I see it.
	Now, Catherine is more as a Zionist stooge, I take it, than to be one more, you know, But I gather there are splits within the Zionist empire, that there are some more aggressive, others not.
	There's the Talmudic.
	You know, I mean, the problem, as I see it, has to do with a belief in Jewish superiority, that the Jews are superior to every other race, that the Goyim are inferior and only exist to serve the Jew.
	This seems to me to be at the heart of the matter.
	Catherine, your thoughts?
	I think, well, you know, absolutely.
	I mean, the Rothschilds are right at the top, but also let's not forget that there was, before the Rothschild family came into power, there were already big pools of money.
	There's the big families that used to supply the popes, right?
	And as the way interest works is that the longer you have investments, right, compound interest, the wealthier you get.
	If you have billionaires in the 16th century or the 15th century by the time the Rothschilds come along, right?
	Even if they started from zero, which they might have done, right?
	I don't really know the history before they started getting into banking.
	Well, then they could never catch up with those big pools of money.
	So there's a book about the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati.
	And it's, you know, Italian names that nobody's ever heard of, but they used to supply the boats.
	So I think there's even bigger pools of money we don't know about.
	And the higher up these people are, the more invisible they are.
	You know, so I think we have to do a lot more mapping even beyond the Rothschilds.
	I mean, the thing is this, Jim, everybody who's a psychopath thinks they are the greatest and everybody else is a slave, right?
	The monarchies around the world, right?
	The British monarchs thought they were the greatest things in sliced toast, right?
	No pun intended.
	And everybody else should be a slave, right?
	All around.
	The Chinese emperors thought the same thing.
	So that is just a constant.
	But among these psychopaths and sociopaths, they have a certain order.
	They have certain routines that are worked out to be stabilizing over centuries and millennia.
	And this is what we have to uncover.
	We have to uncover the system that rules all this.
	Now, regarding Putin, MI6 whistleblowers reported that he was a Royal Arch Freemason and that he used to work with Sir John Scarlett, head of MI6, right?
	And there was this, even during the Cold War, this kind of, they called it, the Cold War was a scam and it was really all just Masonic office politics.
	Now, I think this is the best description I've found so far.
	If you look at the symbolism in Russia, I mean, look at the Russian flag, for crying out loud, right?
	It looks just like the, you know, the American flag and the, you know, and the British flag.
	Look at the color schemes, look at what preceded, look at the old Soviet Russian flag, right?
	The satanic pentagrams, the same as on the EU flag.
	So there's this secret society system that is much older, even much older than the Rothschilds.
	And unless we map those networks, we will never really get behind all this.
	To give you a concrete example, you guys mentioned NATO.
	Who the hell controls NATO?
	Because the population sure as hell is not submitting a vote about what NATO does next, right?
	So all these promises from NATO about not expanding east and they thought screw that.
	Right.
	But when you look at the actual, in the olden days, meaning back in 2017, if you went to the NATO website, you could click on the board.
	And those were the people who actually sat on the board.
	And they were, I mean, the dominant contributing factor were Royals.
	It was Her Majesty the Queen of England, you know, His Royal Highness the King of Norway.
	It was basically one family.
	It was mostly run by a family business and by nobodies who got elected president.
	So, you know, as soon as I started talking about NATO actually being just an extension of the old, you know, cabal, They took down the board link and they also removed all the information from the Wayback Machine.
	You know where you can see screenshots of websites in the past.
	So when I tried to retrieve that information in the Wayback Machine, those pages, you could see the link but the page would just not load.
	So again, when we talk about NATO as citizens, what the hell do we mean?
	What is that structure even?
	We didn't come up with this.
	You didn't, Jim.
	You didn't.
	So who the hell did?
	Somebody who had a lot of power and international reach, right?
	For example, the Royals, right?
	So it is, again, just an extension of these, you know, big networks.
	That's what I think.
	I'm sorry to rain on everybody's parade, but I want people to go higher.
	Go higher than the country!
	Look, the dispensable in debate is getting alternate positions out there so he can kick them around.
	I love it.
	I mean, I agree with you, but there's like a floor above.
	You have to take the elevator.
	Look, I love it.
	I love it.
	I love it.
	I think it's all wonderful.
	John, I know you're eager to say more.
	Microphone.
	John, excuse me.
	When Catherine talks about this stuff, I agree with what she's saying.
	I'm looking back in things I was involved in when I was Secret Service, because I did protect the Queen and all that when she visited in 76 at the Ford White House.
	But I'm thinking about the nations.
	Supposedly, they're supposed to bring in 10 nations, and once that happens, that starts this tribulation pattern or this timeline thing.
	But I'm very curious about the connections with MI6 and Putin and the Freemason comment, because I've got sources I can run it by them.
	You know, like somebody I just talked to like an hour and a half ago before the show, but so far so good.
	You know what I mean?
	I agree with Bill and Catherine.
	I'd like to talk to those guys off camera.
	I've already sent my contact information, but A lot of that stuff is into play, but I keep thinking about the rich elites.
	Nobody can answer the question.
	Here's my basic question.
	Who are the real rich elites?
	And somebody told me it's some guy named Philippe something or other, who's like an Italian rich guy.
	But then we have the Middle Eastern people who are the rich oil shakes.
	You know, what's his name?
	Osama bin Laden and then the, no, bin Salman, or the other guy.
	I'm screwing up on the name right now.
	Bin Salman, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, bin Salman.
	And those guys, they're people that are so high up, they have so much money, they're arguing over who gets the gold Rolls-Royce with the 001 license plate solid gold.
	They've got that much money.
	And we're struggling, I'm a struggling targeted person myself, almost to be homeless.
	Who are the real people at the top?
	I've heard a committee of 300.
	I've heard people above that.
	And then, of course, we get the Ashkenazi Jews or the Khazarians, then the Rothschilds, which really is a trigger word right there.
	And old man Rothschild just turned it over to his son just the last month or so.
	Maybe Catherine might know about that or Bill.
	So, as I said, the furthest I got is there's a book about the 13 bloodline of the Illuminati when one author actually tried to investigate it.
	He interviewed many people.
	I would recommend that book because that is, as far as I can map it with systems analysis, as accurate as you can get.
	So, you have to look at the oldest wealth.
	So finding the families that are still alive and still did manage to not squander their money beyond a certain amount of money.
	You can't even squander it.
	You know, it's very hard to squander.
	There's only so much cocaine you can snort, only so many, you know, whores you can have.
	So beyond the point, the wealth itself keeps accruing.
	Also, it's not just wealth, it is networks.
	It's important to think in terms of networks.
	The biggest networks in the world will remain the biggest networks until an even bigger network comes and takes them over.
	Or until something cataclysmic happens.
	Without that, the biggest network in AD 500 will remain the biggest network in 2024.
	Now, depending on how far back you want to go, you know, go back to the 18th century and Freemasonry and the Vatican covert networks are the biggest network around.
	And when you look at the symbolism, I can track the spread into Russia.
	And then if you fast forward to the 20th century, I strongly believe that the Russian genocide and the Chinese genocide was this covert network taking over Russia and China for real.
	I mean, the Tsar was already tied in, but when the Vatican Freemason networks wanted to take over the whole thing, they are kind of a level above the royals.
	The royals are more like a subsidiary family business.
	Right?
	Not least because in the olden days, the royals took their power from the Vatican.
	So there's an even bigger network, right?
	So the individual members of the network might be below the royals themselves, but it's the size of the network, the power of the network, that truly counts.
	So to put it in another way, when a country commits a genocide of their own people, that's usually done by the military and the secret services, it's never in the interest of the military to genocide their own cannon fodder.
	To put it really starkly, they would never murder their own, and they're mostly murdering peasants, people who have no power at all.
	They would be the soldiers if any war kicks off with a foreign power, right?
	However, if a foreign nation wants to take over a powerful country, genociding the population is the best thing you can do because then you weaken the army.
	So just using these simple systems analysis facts, I convinced myself using my own evidence and techniques that Russia and China were taken over wholesome by this Vatican Freemason Network.
	They were already infiltrating, but that's when they went wholesale.
	And everything else that follows is explained by that.
	Now, what are all these wars around the world?
	Well, it's just asset stripping.
	So you divide up the spoils between the, you know, people either side, but you need it.
	The motto of the Masons is order out of chaos.
	And one of the Vatican recurring symbols I found is the snake that eats its own tail.
	So in a sense, the old cartel members eventually will be taken over by the new cartel members, right?
	So that's what's happening.
	It is just continuous churn.
	And it's the system of asset stripping like locusts goes around the world.
	They completely screwed up Latin America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and now they are really after Europe and the US.
	Now, if you can cause havoc and cause a war in Europe, then the asset stripping of the royal families will not really show up as odd.
	It's easier to do it that way.
	If you cause any big upheaval in the United States, the asset stripping of the American billionaires, the nouveau riche who got rich since the founding of the American Republic, would be just, you know, par of the course.
	You couldn't do it just like that on a Wednesday, right?
	Without showing your hand.
	But if there's big chaos, like a big war, easy!
	That's how they've always done it.
	That's how the Freemasons acid-stripped the French king.
	Was the French king part of the cartel?
	Heck yeah!
	But he accumulated so much wealth, it was time to acid-strip him and divide the spoils among the other participants to keep the system running.
	That's how it usually works.
	Hence the snake that eats its own tail.
	That's the best answer I can give.
	But your answer, who's at the top?
	Include the Italian families.
	That's what I would say.
	Well, we both admire Catherine so, but not always agree with every aspect of what she has to say.
	Your thoughts?
	Mine?
	I really have not been... I'm a mathematician, okay?
	I look at factual things and try to make deductions from factual basis.
	This is a bit out of my league.
	I'm not really into people.
	You know, it's an abstract world in mathematics, okay?
	Okay, I should say, when Bill and I got married, I was trying to teach him the covert symbols of the masons.
	He's been doing this, yeah.
	And now, now that I taught him the language, he picks it up and he says, you were right.
	So I say, Bill used to decrypt the encrypted and I decrypt the unencrypted.
	That's the way she puts it.
	I wanted to get back to some of the things about the losses.
	One of the ways I was judging the losses in the war and so on is how the front line was moving.
	If it moved a lot, then losses on one side were greater than the other, and they were weaker, and therefore you could see the movement in territorial control.
	And it's been stable for so long and very little change at all.
	So I think everything is pretty much the slaughter rate is equal on both sides is what I'm saying.
	And so they seem to not be able to move one way or the other very much at all.
	So beating these weapons into that is only going to make it continue.
	You know, and I think Trump is right.
	The way to stop it is just get down and say, okay, what would make you comfortable, you know, to Putin?
	What would really make you comfortable?
	What would make us comfortable?
	Can't we make an agreement so we stop this slaughter?
	Well, Putin has proposed more than one ceasefire.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Go back to the Minsk agreements, yeah.
	Well, right, which was used just as an opportunity to build up Ukraine militarily with NATO.
	I mean, how Putin could have any faith in any agreement with the West after that massive deception is a bit of a... Okay, here's the way he can, but here's the way he can, because over here they're all attacking Trump.
	And he can see it, and he's pointing out how corrupt that makes our system look.
	So, he could trust Trump, but I don't know that he could trust anybody else.
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	One of the oddities of this St.
	Petersburg thing was Scott Ritter, U.N.
	nuclear arms inspector, former Marine Corps intel, was kicked off the plane at JFK.
	His password was confiscated.
	This was directed by Secretary of State Blinken, who, of course, when he goes abroad identifies himself as a Jew, not as the American Secretary of State.
	Back in 2008, I gave my first political speech at a Ron Paul freedom rally on the grass outside the Capitol in Washington, D.C., and explained why no dual citizen should ever be allowed to occupy a policy-shaping or decision-making position in the government because you cannot know That his loyalty to the other state does not weigh his loyalty to the United States.
	And we got an administration just loaded with dual U.S.-Israeli citizens, and it was also true of Trump.
	Now, when Scott Ritter was given the boot, he talked about it.
	He said, I was boarding my bike, pulled aside by three CBP officers.
	Asked why, they said, orders of the State Department.
	No further information provided.
	My bags were removed.
	I was escorted out, he told Sputnik.
	His password has not been given back.
	Maria Zakharova, the wonderful Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, asked, was this done under the First Amendment or the Fourth?
	Sarcastically.
	I suspect they denied because they knew he wanted to say things like this.
	How are you tonight, Scott?
	Are you raring to go, or are you tired?
	What's the condition over there at Shea Ridder?
	Oh no, we've made all the preparations.
	I mean, this trip... I'm excited about it, but I'm also...
	A little nervous.
	Not because of the trip we're getting ready to take, but because of the situation we find ourselves in in the world today.
	I don't know how many historians are watching tonight, but if you are a historian, understand that we're in a situation today that's Orders of magnitude more dangerous than the Cuban Missiles Crisis at its height.
	We are on the cusp of nuclear war.
	It could happen right now during this program.
	That's how stupid this entire thing is.
	It could happen while we're flying over to Russia.
	It could happen while we're in Russia.
	And some people would say then, why the hell are you going on the trip?
	And to be honest, I asked myself that same question.
	Why not just stay home, hang out with my family, and wait for it all to end?
	Because If I were a betting man, I could go and find different odds and make money off of this, because this is a wager that I would take, that there would be a nuclear war by the middle of June.
	It doesn't mean it's 100%, it doesn't mean it's 90%, but it ain't zero.
	It ain't even close to zero percent.
	It's over 50% right now.
	There's over 50% chance there will be a nuclear war by mid-June.
	Because you factor in the stupidity of the Western leadership.
	You got Joe Biden green-lighting the use of American weapons to strike Russia when Russia says that's an act of war.
	You have President Macron doing the same thing.
	Schroeder doing the same thing.
	All of Europe doing the same thing.
	As if it's no big deal to attack Russia.
	It's a huge deal to attack Russia.
	It's as big as it gets.
	And then NATO says, well, it's these are sovereign decisions made by sovereign nations.
	It's not a NATO decision.
	Oh, really?
	So when Russia strikes these sovereign nations, as Russia will, is NATO going to make a move on Article 5?
	Big question, because I think Dmitry Medvedev, who's a former president, who sits at the right hand of Putin and the National Security Council, said clearly, if you implement Article 5, we're going to assume that you're going to attack us, and then we're going to nuke you.
	Boom.
	Bam.
	Bang.
	Gone.
	Finished.
	We have senior, you know, Russian policy makers, influencers, who are saying that Russia should do an actual nuclear explosion.
	Have the cameras out there and just blow one up above ground and show the whole world and tell NATO, that's you.
	That would be the nice thing for Russia to do.
	And in fact, I would encourage Russia to do that.
	Screw the Tespan treaties.
	What good are treaties?
	The West doesn't respect them.
	The West doesn't care.
	The West thinks Russia's bluffing.
	So people say, well then why go?
	Well, let me tell you why.
	Because we're going to Russia to have a conversation with the Russian people.
	And that conversation is going to be about the very things we're talking about here and about the prospects for peace.
	And there's a chance that the conversations we're going to have will be heard by senior members of the Russian government.
	And I want to make sure, I want to make sure that before the Russians make the decision to use nuclear weapons, That maybe they heard Scott Ritter have a conversation with some Russian people about the prospect for peace.
	About giving the American people a chance.
	About one, by exhausting every option short of war before going to war.
	That you don't want to write America off yet.
	That there are people in America whose lives are worth living, are worth saving.
	Just like there are people in Russia whose lives are worth living and saving.
	And maybe, just maybe, Instead of rushing to do that which you would have every right to do.
	Take a pause for the cause.
	Take a deep breath.
	Wait till tomorrow.
	Then we saved it.
	We saved the world by one day.
	And then if we can do it again the next day.
	And the next day.
	And the next day.
	Just keep having these conversations.
	Hoping that the Russian leadership is tuning in and listening.
	And maybe, just maybe, collectively, we can buy enough time for sanity to prevail in the West and they back down on this.
	You know, in the middle of June, Zelensky is going to have this peace conference in Switzerland.
	It's going to fail.
	It's already going to fail.
	But you see, one of the reasons why the West is doing what it's doing right now Is there's a perception that's fueled by all our great friends and Applebaum and all those Russian experts who say Russia's bluffing.
	That Russia is desperately looking for an off ramp.
	Why would they say that?
	I don't know because Vladimir Putin's government said.
	We're open to negotiations.
	They just have to be realistic.
	Well, Zelensky is not about realistic negotiations.
	Zelensky is about imposing this fantasy outcome on Russia.
	Which he can't do through use of force.
	He needs the West to engage, to intervene.
	And so this is the last gambit.
	Between now and the Swiss Summit, Zelensky is going to be pushing every button possible and all of his little pathetic Chihuahua nations in the Baltics and Poland and elsewhere are going to be barking to his tune.
	That empowers Macron, that empowers Schultz, that empowers Biden to say, maybe we're onto something here.
	If we just push Russia a little bit, make Russia know that the cost they're going to pay for continuous war is too high, that Russia has to come to the table, even though they weren't invited to the table in Switzerland.
	That's the hope.
	They're misreading the Russians.
	The Russians aren't saying, we're ready to come to the table at all costs.
	The Russians are saying, we're ready to come to a table that we dictate the outcome.
	That we've won this war and we're willing to end this war now through some sort of negotiation, but it has to be reality based.
	The West is taking the advice of people who don't know Russia, who don't understand Russia, which is another reason why we have to go to Russia.
	So that we can experience it, we can collect this data, we can bring it back with us, and you know, through various film products, a documentary film that we hope to make, things of that nature, to educate the American people about the reality of Russia.
	So that in November, maybe the American people can put some pressure on whomever we elect to represent us in higher office, To make peace with Russia, not seek war with Russia.
	This is a trip that has to be made.
	You couldn't have picked a more relevant, important time in history for a trip like this.
	I just hope we have a chance to accomplish what we're trying to accomplish.
	Except, of course, Scott Ritter is not going to be allowed to publish anything.
	I think perhaps if he hadn't given this talk in advance, I'd spell it out, because it goes into great detail about nuclear winter, how much it's going to, you know, eviscerate life in the Northern Hemisphere at the very least, potentially more.
	They gave him the boot!
	Now, he and Colonel McGregor and Larry Johnson are among the most astute, and they all converge on the same conclusion, that a nuclear war actually is imminent.
	And I know, Catherine, you have a rebuttal, so I'm keen to have it.
	The floor is yours.
	I'm sorry, my face was betrayed, and I wasn't happy.
	Look, I understand everybody, and I understand their logic, but they are There are terms missing in the equation.
	I'm trying to come up with another example that everybody can see, where people see that you're missing evidence.
	For example, I know for a fact that Russia is controlled by the very same cartel as the West.
	In other words, they are all on it, but in it, because Russia also has a central bank with a fiat currency.
	All right, the Russian currency is being messed around with by the same banking crime cartel that I just mapped, you know, I was trying to show you guys that this Swiss systems analysis group managed to map for the first time in human history.
	They have the same fiat currency, their currency is trading on the same exchanges, right?
	There's nothing different.
	There are really plans to put the BRICS nations onto a gold-based currency.
	And from what I've heard from the gold experts, that's already in the works and is being deployed and is up and running.
	Right.
	So that would turn them into a really independent powerhouse.
	Right.
	I heard that a big wholesale among those countries is settled in gold alone.
	Right.
	So that would be really a novel independent system that would be tearing away from the old Rothschild, Caesarian mafia and Italian mafia, you know, Italian super wealthy people's system.
	OK.
	But as it stands right now, they are still under the same system.
	Also, all these emotional things about discussing and just seeing the good in the American people doesn't work.
	The logic doesn't work for the Russians as much as it doesn't work for us.
	Because, hey, you know, our leaders attack all these countries and it doesn't matter what we think.
	It doesn't matter if we see the good in the other side.
	All of this is trivial.
	It will not feature on the decision-making level.
	And really, Putin himself is not really at the ultimate decision-making level, because Putin himself started off as a lowly little KGB agent and was promoted and put in place by a network, by people who were there before him.
	So who owns Putin?
	Who owns the central banks?
	And those people have different considerations.
	So unless we map out what their considerations are, how they want to divvy up Ukraine, we will not really find the answer.
	What I can see is that the threat of nuclear war is the fear that they have to put into the mix, the little shit mix, as much as fear was the main driving element behind COVID.
	Fear is always in it, and nuclear weapons are now the big threat, like they were back in your day, you know, when you were in school and you had all these drills.
	But it's nonsense.
	Follow the money.
	Follow the money.
	That's what I think.
	What do you think?
	Bill, your thoughts?
	I personally don't think that anything... I look at it this way.
	Putin and Trump, I think, had a relationship that built on, I think, a little bit of trust there.
	At least of all of the people in the West, Trump is the one, I think, that Putin looks at as the one he could basically trust more than anybody else.
	So I'm looking at it as a trust but verify kind of approach.
	And if you think about it, every agreement that's been made by others, Other than Trump up to now, including NATO leaders, all the countries in Europe and so on, they've all basically tricked the Russians and basically, you know, shame on you, you know, we fooled you, shame on you, you know, that kind of thing.
	So he's in a position of not being able to trust anybody, and I don't think he's going to do anything until the US election here in November.
	After November, I think it could be either extremely dangerous, or in the case of Trump coming in, maybe they can each come to an agreement that could end the slaughter, you know, and maybe they would stop it.
	But after that, if Biden comes back in, then we have the same regime, the same organization in the West continuing, and he can only see the threat even getting worse and worse down in time.
	And that's when the threat, in my view, That's when the threat of nuclear war really skyrockets.
	I don't think Biden will even be convinced he's going to be replaced before we get there.
	He's actually... Yeah, but who's going to replace him, Jim?
	Who's going to replace him?
	Another stooge?
	My initial thought was Gavin Newsom and Michelle as his running mate, but...
	There's also the idea of floating around.
	It would be Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, just as I feel him, that the deep state has shifted its support to Trump.
	And this is something we want to discuss in some detail.
	But before we get there, I wanted to ask your take on The invasion from the South.
	I mean, it seems to me this is stupefying.
	A nation without borders has no sovereignty, and the Biden admin is allowing millions of illegals.
	They're inducing them.
	They're giving them red carpet.
	They're giving them money.
	They're giving them free housing, all kinds of benefits.
	It's absurd.
	And the latest report I have, I think from the Wall Street Journal, said every job during the last year, every new job during the whole last year, went to an illegal immigrant.
	I find that staggering.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, you know, I look at that as, and if you look where he was distributing, initially distributing the illegal immigrants coming into the country, it was primarily to red states.
	And the idea there was pretty clear.
	He wanted to dilute the conservative base to become more and more progressive set of people to vote voters.
	And now he's trying to get them to have the ability to vote.
	And you know, this is what he's been doing.
	He's been trying to use this influx of people coming in to dilute the conservative base in the conservative states to change them from red to blue.
	And then they have a one party country.
	That's really the objective here.
	I mean, I think that's also what the Secretary or the Attorney General of Texas has said that also.
	I think that's absolutely right.
	Yeah.
	I don't think there's any chance of that happening, especially after all the calls there, the conviction, and Trump got like $35 million in record time in a single day.
	He's got over $200 million in his polls at the moment, 5 points nationally, and even among independents, 5 or 6 points.
	I think the die is cast.
	If we have an election, Trump will be dead.
	There's one key point here that nobody understood in 2020, and it was stated by Stalin many years ago.
	It doesn't matter who votes or how they vote, only matter who counts the vote.
	Okay?
	So, the one point is you have to verify the count is correct.
	Well, see, Obama, it's like his last act, he put our election system under critical infrastructure for DHS so they can monitor down to the precinct level and change the vote.
	So there's that absolute risk.
	And if there were some military engagement, whether it were a civil war or international, they could impose martial law and insist it all be done by mail-in balloting where they can, as you suggest, control the outcome.
	But they don't have a candidate!
	It cannot be Biden's incompetence.
	The real Joe, of course, who have died in 2017, by the way, Bill, there are three or four fake Bidens out there.
	I've documented this in rather considerable detail.
	John, go ahead.
	Your thoughts.
	Oh, here we go.
	I want to go back to make a quick comment about Ritter.
	Ritter's not that highly trained.
	I get that.
	He is an honest person.
	He could have left the country an alternate way, because even I'm in the system.
	It's called TEX.
	It's a Treasury Enforcement Computer System, like NCIC.
	So I used to put information on lookouts, and people, and plates, and all kinds of things.
	Planes, trucks, cars, whatever.
	Anyway, separate deal.
	I agree with Bill on his comment, especially about that last comment about Stalin.
	We don't have an election.
	We don't have a free country.
	All we have is one guy who just got convicted.
	That's it.
	Ron DeSantis got pushed out.
	I like Ron DeSantis.
	But they're playing legal games.
	Thad Alvin, Bragg in New York.
	They're all playing games like, oh, you can't have two candidates from the same state.
	Good.
	Switch back Mar-a-Lago to New York and back and forth.
	That's in the Constitution, John.
	That's not just a... You cannot have a president and vice president from the same state.
	They can work around it is what I'm saying.
	They can work around it.
	They're not going to do that.
	What I'm saying is there is no real election.
	We don't have election for years.
	It's just like the CIA does in the foreign countries when they take over places like Venezuela or wherever.
	So I believe the CIA may not only be running the war in Ukraine, but of course, interfering right here in the U.S.
	Catherine, your thoughts?
	I would like to comment on the invasion that people were talking about.
	Also, modifying the vote is one way to utilize these people, but the second one is to build up a covert army.
	And that is very important because I watched the exact same thing, independent of elections, happening in Germany in the year 2015.
	So we had these big refugee waves in September of 2015 and the issue is that my gang stalkers in March of 2017 and in the otherwise Aryan German and very white neighborhood of Pollach where the BND was, they switched from being white guys to Middle Eastern in March.
	So the BND was training up Middle Eastern and dark-skinned looking You know, infiltrators to infiltrate these groups.
	They knew that they will have refugee waves in September, already in March.
	How did they do that?
	Well, they already had this planned.
	Now, in Germany, it was extensively reported that the vast majority of people who came in were young men of military age, almost exactly the same as here in the US.
	So what is happening if we now bring in the targeted individuals and something that Bill and I have watched all across the US, all across Europe, they have these gang stalking gangs.
	So gang stalkers, that's the common term on the internet, should be more accurately called human intelligence terror stalkers.
	But these are really terrorist gangs that are hounding people all across the country and also assault them with directed energy weapons, which are hidden in the cars that they use to stalk them.
	Now, I have the evidence.
	You might not see it because Zoom has this kind of filtering, but I have the evidence of this happening branded into my forehead.
	In Europe, I had a large disc burned into my forehead with a directed energy weapon and the U.S.
	burned another line and then started adding You know, vertical lines.
	When you see me in real life without makeup, it's quite clear.
	So, both countries have these gang-stalking gangs, right, run by the FBI and the European intelligence networks.
	And if you want to use directed energy weapons to exterminate the indigenous population that's voting Republican, and you would like to replace them with poorer people who will vote for whoever they are paid to vote for, then Putting directed energy weapons into these cars is excellent.
	The problem is that if you have Americans, getting Americans to kill other Americans, well, there's only such a little number who would actually do that without any, you know, conscience issues.
	However, if you bring in a foreign nation for genetic reasons, Killing people who look different from you is always easier than people who look like your grandma and granddad or your uncle.
	So I think that is also another massive point.
	And also these jobs, are they real jobs or are they gang-stalking jobs?
	Well, yeah, and actually they claim the GDP has increased because of all the money Biden spent on the immigrants, on the illegals, because it's a federal expenditure.
	So it increases the GDP, but it's a waste of taxpayers' money and damaging to America.
	I mean, grotesque.
	Inflation, yeah.
	Bill, further thoughts?
	What you were saying about the money that Biden is spending is just raising the inflation rate here in this country and making it more difficult for people to even survive.
	That's one of the things that I think is motivating a lot of people, especially in the minority communities, because they're the ones getting hit the hardest, I think.
	I traced weapons purchases by the Environmental Protection Agency, the CDC, that had nothing to do with law enforcement or military, a billion bucks worth.
	And I'm convinced they're in caches around the country giving these migrants cell phones they can coordinate, tell them where to obtain the weapons.
	It may or may not be a U.N.
	army.
	Maybe they're going to don blue helmets or not, but I do believe we have a burgeoning civil war about to be sprung, Catherine.
	I take it that's consistent with your thoughts.
	Absolutely.
	And I'm very interested that you track the billion through the Environmental Protection Agency, because Catherine Austin Fitts found that the black budget was being funneled through HUD, the Housing and Urban Development Fund.
	So 43 trillion have gone missing or went to the military and the secret services since the 1990s.
	And it looks like they use that as a testing ground and they are laundering money through all these governmental agencies.
	The solution for this, because there's a solution for all of these problems, the solution for that is to introduce public accounting for public funds in the United States and Europe.
	So Katherine Oysten-Fitts already had a system running that was publicizing.
	So really making all the accounts public live or with a certain time delay on the local and state level.
	So, you know, that really uncovered huge amounts of corruption, and things like that would not be possible if the general population could see how much money is coming in and what exactly it's being used for, down to the last pencil.
	So, as soon as we have that, all this money laundering by the secret services stops overnight.
	Yeah, she's wonderful, Katharine Austen-Pitts.
	I admire her beyond words, as I do the two of you.
	I'm just so glad to have you here today.
	We're about to hit another break, and when we do, I want to come back and talk about Donald Trump.
	Is he going to save the nation or make things worse?
	I've been a longtime Trump supporter, even though I voted for Bill Clinton twice, consider the opposition, and Barack Obama twice.
	When he came down the elevator, it was a breath of fresh air.
	We'll be right back with Bill Biddy, Katherine Horton, and John Carpenter.
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	I've long contended that the strongest argument for Trump, cleaning and draining the swamp, cleaning up government, was a massive opposition cleaning and draining the swamp, cleaning up government, was a massive opposition We had the Russiagate, which Bill exposed as a hoax.
	We've had two impeachments.
	We've had all the lawfare.
	They're falling apart.
	The people are seeing through it.
	His support is growing.
	Alvin Bragg's office?
	beyond the Trump train, but for a recent development such as I'm now going to share with you, where he called into Sean Hannity the other day and made a statement that I found highly where he called into Sean Hannity the other day and made Listen to this.
	When you look at the anti-Semitism, the hatred of Israel by so many people, you go back 10 years, I mean, Israel was protected by Congress and now Congress is just doing numbers that are unbelievable with, I think, a very, very small group of people within Congress and it's got a very, very small group of people within Congress and it's got But we have to go back to the roots, we have to protect, we have to stop the anti-Semitism that's just pervading our country right now, and Biden has to do something.
	You have to get the job done.
	It's a horrible job to do, but they have to respond when they do.
	When there's an attack, a sneak attack like on October 7th that's so violent and such hatred, you have to clean it out.
	You have to clean out the cancer and you have to let them do their job.
	And frankly, it has to be done fast because this is not Sustainable for anybody.
	The job has to be done.
	It has to be done fast.
	The United States has to get courage and the United States has to speak up.
	Nobody knows where the U.S.
	stands right now.
	I think Biden is not on the side of Israel and he's making a tremendous mistake.
	You have to clean up the terror that we witnessed on October 7th.
	But the bottom line is they have to be able to finish the job.
	You have to let them finish the job.
	You have to support them.
	But they have to do it quickly.
	And you can't let scenes like this.
	The head of Columbia should be ashamed of herself.
	The job that she's done.
	She should no longer be there.
	She should be absolutely ashamed because she let this take place, Sean.
	Let me make half a dozen points about this exchange, and he's reaffirmed his position as recently as yesterday, talking about he wants to reaffirm AIPAC's control over the American Congress.
	How absurd is that?
	When he talks about suppressing the pro-Palestinian protesters, of course they're described as anti-Israel, but they're not.
	They're anti-genocide.
	I can't think of any more notable or noble ...effort for our students and we protesting war and genocide.
	They've been beset upon by Zionist goons.
	The Chabad Luba bitches have been involved in beating them up.
	UCLA.
	Both my parents graduated from UCLA.
	What a tragedy!
	To see something like that going on on the UCLA campus.
	He's talking about the genocide.
	His only complaint is they're not doing it fast enough.
	They're not killing the Palestinians fast enough.
	It's a horrible thing, but they've got to do it well.
	It's not showing understanding that October 7th was a false flag.
	Very elaborate.
	They couldn't have even taken down the fence.
	The whole thing was contrived.
	The paragliders and all that.
	All the stories about hitting babies.
	The Israelis, the IDF, were actually doing that.
	We have a video confession of an IDF soldier who had decapitated 13 Palestinian babies.
	For Donald Trump to be complaining about the anti-Semitism when it's nothing of the sort, He's even supportive, it would appear, of the broadening of the definition.
	Any criticism of Israel is supposed to be anti-Semitic.
	We now have Columbia.
	Jewish students.
	Nobody gave a damn about Jewish students.
	They're being given personal escorts as a form of protection because of bullshit from the ADL.
	I am Disgusted and floored.
	I have been so strong for Trump.
	I've gone so far with him, down the line, even seeking to excuse him for actions like putting the American embassy in Jerusalem, claiming the Golan Heights belong to Israel, defunding the UN refugee assistance, all deplorable.
	None more unforgivable than the assassination of Soleimani.
	Absolutely inexcusable.
	An act of perfidy.
	Violation of national sovereignty.
	Done as an act of deception.
	Horrific.
	I have stood by him through thick and thin, but this?
	I've been forced to that conclusion.
	He's not morally fit to be president.
	He will be president if we have an election.
	I think the die is cast.
	But I am appalled by these moral failures that are grotesque, in my opinion.
	Bill, you first.
	Your thoughts.
	Well, when this broke out after the 7th October, or 7th December, October attack?
	Yeah.
	The one person that came out that I really agreed with was the former intelligence head for the Saudi government, I think.
	He came out and he condemned Hamas for the attack and he condemned the Israelis for the counter-attack and the brutality of both sides.
	That's what I saw.
	But you can't fix this problem of hate and hate generation like the Democrats are doing here in this country, building hate between groups.
	You can't do that in the Middle East and keep it going unless the countries there start to turn and say, we're not going to support this, and all of them have to be together to stop this.
	They can't stop it until they get rid of this hatred and don't support the groups that are promoting this kind of hatred.
	That only perpetuates the brutality and the wars.
	Yeah, the slaughter, the genocide is being promoted by America, giving the weapons to the Israelis that killed the Palestinians.
	How grotesque is that?
	The International Court of Justice, the International Criminal Court, the United Nations have now declared Israel to be committing genocide.
	They don't care.
	They don't care about international law.
	They respond to a higher law, God's law, because they are the chosen people and they're entitled to the promised land and to slaughter the Palestinians.
	Catherine, I find this so nauseating and repulsive, I can hardly speak about it.
	I know, I know.
	Look, I really understand it and I think you are absolutely right with the data set you're looking at.
	Again, the only reason we disagree, Jim, is because we're looking at two different data sets.
	Mine has an extra piece in it, which is first of all about Trump's character.
	And it ties in with what I'm going to say next.
	If you just want to assess Trump's character, Well, he was famous for, first of all, not starting any new wars.
	Big deal, right?
	He was also famous for going and speaking to his generals and trying to find out what exactly is going on with ISIS and Afghanistan and finding out from his generals that they were told to hold back.
	These generals were pulling their punches to keep the show going.
	To keep the slaughter going.
	And he said, hey, how long would it take you to tidy this up?
	And what did they say?
	Three weeks?
	By the end of the month, three weeks.
	We're done.
	Right?
	So we're not talking 10 years plus in Afghanistan.
	We're talking wham, bam, and we're out.
	Right?
	So, and I think that is how the military is meant to be working, when the military does what it says on the tin.
	But when the military is a puppet of a global crime cartel that uses order out of chaos, wars have to continue endlessly and they have to be started.
	So, you know, the fact that Trump didn't retaliate by killing people when, was it Iran that shot down the unmanned drone?
	Big thing, right?
	He is trying to get out.
	I think Trump personally hates this killing, but Right now, his mission target number one is to get elected.
	Otherwise, it doesn't matter what he says.
	The people in the U.S.
	started calling him Mr. Trump, not even President Trump anymore, as it's customary for a former president.
	So he is being downgraded.
	He will be put down to a powerless citizen like the rest of us with just a bit more money and more powerful friends.
	But he will be just a citizen.
	So right now, between now and November, his number one goal is to get elected.
	He said that at one of the rallies to the other, you know, Congress people, you know, the people he was supporting.
	He said, remember, the first thing you have to do is get elected.
	Right.
	So that's number one.
	He is trying to get too big to fail.
	And if you want too big to fail, you absolutely must have the support of the Israeli population.
	And as you said, Jim, all those Israeli double citizens in the government, right?
	The ones who would be rigging what is there to rig or would be protecting the election as far as it can be protected.
	He will be saying whatever it takes to be in favor of Israel.
	And then we have to judge him on what he will actually do.
	Will he himself, you know, induce a genocide over there and so on and so on.
	But right now he has to get elected because if he doesn't get elected, the deep state for sure is going to continue.
	That's what I think.
	So I think I understand your outrage, Jim, but you're taking political speech on face value.
	You know, judge this man by what he does and not what he says.
	Now, other people in the chat last time said, Catherine, are you mad for supporting Trump?
	He was the Warp Speed Trump, right?
	He was the guy who brought in the vaccine at high speed.
	And then we also have to remember regarding these other conspiracies that are out there.
	He lived a very protected life and he was a property developer.
	Now, a billionaire property developer is a million miles away from, you know, us who have been investigating the wackiest conspiracies professionally full-time for many, many years.
	And I think just like our, you know, very civilized friends that we all have who cannot believe that the vaccine could be weaponized and COVID could be a scam, How could Trump have ever known?
	I mean, all his servants are protecting him from anything ugly to let him live in this beautiful bubble.
	I think the fact that he has exposed the fake ass-made media.
	No president has ever done that.
	No president has ever shat all over the mainstream media channels.
	It would have been suicide.
	Yet he did and he didn't care.
	Because he was out for truth.
	And, you know, if we all follow truth and law and integrity, be it Putin or, you know, Trump or the Hungarian Prime Minister or the French Prime Minister, he will never do that, then we all basically make the system work as efficiently and as productively as it possibly can.
	And that's what we should be striving for.
	But I would ignore this speech until November, and then after November, you're free to judge him, Jim.
	That's what I would say.
	I want you to be right, Catherine.
	You have no idea how much I want you to be right.
	And listen, when you contrast, if you assume Biden and RFK Jr.
	were on the ticket, RFK Jr.
	said he doesn't even see any signs of genocide in Israel.
	How lunatic is that?
	Where is his head buried?
	John, I want your thoughts.
	Gotta get the mic there.
	Yeah, I agree with what Catherine's talking about.
	She's referring to the dual citizenship of these other leaders, and I've talked to people like Chertoff, Tom Ridge, way back in 95 when I was on injury leave, and still whistleblowing out in the open by that time I was public.
	But a lot of that ties in with what she's saying is that the structure of how they politically connect to these people and how Trump is welcomed in Israel, because nine times out of 10, They're all being dual citizen to these other countries.
	So you can't, you can't be loyal to the United States and another country.
	And it gets into that sovereignty stuff, going back to England and maritime law and all these other things.
	But it's weird.
	And I've seen people at the border have processed four to 5 million people with passports for 15 years.
	I know that stuff too.
	But can you imagine?
	We've got Michael Chertoff, DHS assistant secretary back then.
	And all these people, you can Google it or duck-duck-go it on an internet, find out who has dual citizenship with Israel.
	So, that's where they want to make the head of the world, I believe, is in Israel to make it a center point.
	That's where they're all fighting over that one area there.
	So, does that make sense?
	R.F.K.
	Jr., this is just incredible!
	I don't believe that there's a genocide going on, and I don't think Israel's intention is genocide.
	I don't believe there's any evidence of genocide.
	There is genocide going on in the Mideast, but it's a genocide of Jews, and it's a genocide of Christians, and nobody's complaining about it for some reason, and they're much worse wars I don't know what's happening in Gaza right now, but for some reason people don't want to complain unless it's Jews who can be blamed.
	The idea of saying that there's a genocide going on in Israel because people die in war and in every war that's going on in the world today, there are civilians dying and the average Death rate, civilian to combatant death rate, according to the United Nations and to the Institute for the Study of Urban Warfare at West Point, is about 9 to 1.
	In Gaza, it's about 1 to 1.
	So they've achieved a better, they protected in the most challenging conditions, the Israeli government had, the IDF, has protected civilians better than any army in history.
	John Spencer said it has done more to protect civilians under more difficult circumstances than any army in history.
	So if we had a choice between Biden is supplying the bombs and the weapons, okay, he doesn't even think there's a genocide in Trump.
	I'd go over Trump every day of the week, "but I'm still concerned about his declared positions here.
	Catherine, I agree, it can't all be viewed as political rhetoric to get him elected.
	But there's some things, when you say them, you are performing actions in the saying of them.
	In the saying of those things, he is endorsing the genocide.
	He's supporting the suppression of freedom of speech.
	And I deplore those speech acts.
	They're known technically as speech acts, when you do something by saying certain words under certain conditions.
	Your thoughts?
	I'm thinking if we, I want to listen to the interview again, because Trump is usually very careful about how he put it.
	He was condemning the anti-Semitism.
	So he wasn't going on about, is the bombing in Gaza okay?
	Hey, that's fair enough.
	Why not?
	Let's have some more, right?
	He was saying we have to stop this anti-Semitism.
	He was mostly holding it to this country.
	So I think he's towing a line.
	He was he was so careful.
	I mean, you know, RFK Jr.
	wasn't as careful.
	He just said it out there.
	So I think I can see Trump maneuver and basically keep his options open later when he's empowered to do what he thinks is right.
	And right now he has to get the vote.
	You know, that is that is the one determining factor, because if if the the double citizens and the other, you know, if the the Jewish community in the U.S.
	turns on him, it's game over.
	Because they are the most influential, you know, group among them all.
	They have networks.
	It's true.
	Yes, you know, I do agree with you about all these double citizens.
	And yes, there are all these networks.
	The only thing is that there are many more networks and they are stacked on top of each other.
	And the other thing is that, you know, Let's also remember that Trump is one man, and if he's lucky, some billionaires see what he's doing and they will pair up with him, as now is becoming obvious, right?
	He's got over $200 billion in support since the second election!
	Yeah, that is great, but 200 million against this global cabal, it's like a McDonald's Happy Meal, right?
	So what I'm saying is, this is why I want every nation on earth to start mapping these ancient systems, because then you know where to apply the lever, to use the lever force to change the system.
	So I can see the bricks have been screwed over by this global cartel and by all the loans they got.
	They have been enslaved and they want out of that system.
	Hence, they want to get back to gold.
	I can see that happening.
	Now, Putin, within the Masonic office politics, probably wants to get the best deal for Russia and for his network of people, right?
	And that's a good thing.
	But there's one way we can all around the world do the same thing and all get, you know, become safer and wealthier.
	And that is if we all turn on this global cartel, on these criminal networks, Starting from the Masons, you know, the Knights of Malta, those double citizens who basically act for another country, which is really treason, right?
	And all these secret service networks and the gang stalking networks, the covert genocide, the depopulation agenda.
	The good thing is the NSA has the data on all these people and is storing them forever.
	So if we wanted to really debunk this, and other countries have a copy of the NSA data, right?
	All the Five Eyes have access to it.
	If we started really cleaning up this corruption at all levels, the local, state, federal and international level, we can be done with this within a year.
	It doesn't take that long to tidy up.
	When you know where to look and who to get rid of.
	And Trump started some of that.
	He is very proud of having gotten rid of that FBI chief.
	What was his face?
	The guy who looks like... Comey.
	Comey, that's right.
	That's right, right?
	Also, the Veterans Administration needed to get rid of him.
	Yeah, he tidied those up, right?
	So, he already started fucking with the secret services and the military.
	And he needs to do a lot more, but technically informed.
	The best attack is a very fast surgical operation where you only take out the bad guys.
	Now, if they wanted to take out terrorists, Hamas terrorists, which, by the way, will tie to this global cartel, I'm sure, they could do that.
	And I think the way forward is to do very well-informed, targeted, swift action to remove these corrupt and terrorist elements, wherever they might be.
	That's, I think, what would be the way forward.
	And I think Trump is the guy for that, because there's nobody else!
	I sure agree, there's nobody else.
	John, would you like to give us final thoughts or reflections on where things stand?
	Hey, I volunteer, Catherine and Bill.
	I volunteer.
	If you've got context, you've got my email now.
	I sent it on a message.
	Because I'm just sitting here on the sidelines.
	I've been benched.
	So, I agree with what you guys are saying on that stuff.
	And they're just sitting around, nobody's doing anything.
	They're letting it get worse and festered.
	Bill, tell us, what do you think the American people need to understand about the situation of America and the world today?
	That they're being duped by their own government.
	They're being led down a path that is very destructive, not just to our country, but to countries everywhere in the world.
	And that they need to realize Who is really corrupting this government system that we've had for 200 years plus?
	And it's not the Republicans.
	They think the Democrats are claiming they're the ones who were after democracy and freedom and get rid of slavery, but they weren't the ones who got rid of slavery.
	It was the Republicans.
	Lincoln was a Republican, not a Democrat.
	The Democrats in the South had the Jim Crow laws for so long until they became Republican, and now they got rid of it.
	So it was Republicans who got rid of it, Republicans who fostered and promoted civil rights and so on, in Congress and so on.
	And, you know, if people look back at what really happened in history and they could see who really did what, what they did, not what they said, because what they say is they used to manipulate you.
	That's the point they need to realize, they're being manipulated.
	So, and that's been the idea of the intelligence community all along, keep the people Ignorant, uninformed, so you can manipulate them any way you want.
	And that's really what's been going on in this country.
	And we've got to throw this out and just say, my point is we need to send a message to the Democrats.
	It needs to be a drastic one.
	You need to fire everyone you can.
	Every Democrat you can fire, you need to fire.
	That will make them fix their party.
	Until we do something like that, they're not going to fix their party.
	And it's really corrupt now.
	The GOP in Arizona just filed a suit.
	They've discovered over a million, about a million, three fake voters on their list.
	Is there any hope for election integrity short of paper ballots and hand counts, which I think we should do forthwith, get rid of the machines?
	Actually, we did do that.
	We actually put in a proposal in early 2020.
	Saying, here's how you could fix and verify and validate the boat.
	Anywhere in the United States.
	With we, he means Kirk, we, Bill and I. We sent it to all the secretaries of state.
	In the 50 states, Guam and Puerto Rico, right?
	We sent that out.
	You know how many responses we got?
	We volunteered to just talk to them to tell them how we could do it.
	You know how many responses we got?
	Zero!
	Oh God!
	But I have an idea.
	Here's the thing.
	So your ballot is so important and you have a legal right to it.
	You should also have a legal right to know that it's counted correctly.
	How about every ballot would have a carbon paper behind it?
	So when you leave the polling station, it has a serial number on it.
	You go home, you have a copy, right?
	You have a copy of your ballot.
	And then if we published how every ballot was counted, so, you know, anonymized, serial number, blah, blah, blah.
	Was voted Republican, this was Democrat, this was something else, right?
	And you could go to a website and click, how did they count my vote?
	And every American and everybody in the world could tally up all these database entries.
	It's so easy to do that with websites these days.
	We have the technology.
	So if somebody counts your Republican vote as a Democrat or vice versa, you could go to court.
	That's how it should be.
	You should be able to check how your vote is counted.
	Plus, if we did it right, like we did before I left NSA, you could actually verify the person coming in to vote within three seconds and verify that they were a U.S.
	citizen registered to vote and eligible to vote.
	And you could pick out anybody who was an illegal alien attempting to vote.
	That could be found immediately.
	That could be done anywhere in the country and on a worldwide basis, basically, going for votes in Guam and Puerto Rico and anywhere else in the world.
	Yeah.
	You know, Sidney Powell, who's, in my opinion, got a bad rap, has suggested we know every vote cast in 2020 and how it was stolen, that NSA has all the data, true or false.
	That's true.
	I mean, they have the ability to do that.
	In fact, I kept saying the way to find out what happened in that, like, for example, in the CCTV video of the, after they kicked everybody out in Georgia, they had that video of them pulling the suitcase out from under the covered table and then shoving the boats in multiple times.
	NSA has a GPS on all the cell phones in that room.
	And they could go back to that particular time, and they've got all the records of all the phone calls.
	So when the guy got on the phone call, the guy who was running the place there, got on the phone call right after he kicked everybody out, we could see, we could trace who he called, what he said, everything, and we could follow it after, and after they did all that stuffing, Then he got, then he closed it up and they left and he was calling somebody at the end of that.
	Now that was coordination with somebody and all that information, the ability to trace that and map it out is in the NSA database.
	And I suggest that they go there to get that at the time, and they didn't do it, of course.
	Because, oh, you don't want to challenge the system, Jim.
	If you say we've got all these warts and blemishes, it's not a good system.
	Catherine, Bill, you belong in the pantheon of American heroes today.
	I thank you for being here.
	John, excellent.
	I can't thank you enough.
	Just wonderful.
	Meanwhile, spend as much time with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about, because we do not know how much time we have left.

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