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Conversations on Health Freedom - Sasha Latypova with Leslie Manookian - March 27, 2024
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Hi, I'm Leslie Mnookin, President of Health Freedom Defense Fund and host of Conversations on Health Freedom, a podcast about our most sacred human right.
Music by Ben Thede.
Hi, everybody.
It is so great to be with you here today.
I am so excited.
Today, I'm interviewing someone named Sasha Latipova.
I said that right, Sasha, right?
Someone I've known for the last couple of years and who has done truly incredible research.
She has really become a rock star in researching the sinister and nefarious aspects of the COVID era.
She is a former pharma R&D professional with 25 years of experience.
She used to manage several contract research organizations performing clinical trials for over 60 companies, including Pfizer.
She retired from the industry in 2017.
She now writes an independent publication called Due Diligence and Art, which is very fun.
There's always a little piece of art at the bottom of her substacks on Substack.
Uncovering, what she focuses on is uncovering pharmaceutical fraud, government corruption, and everything related to the ongoing attack on free society masquerading as a pandemic response.
You know, here at Health Freedom Defense Fund, we've been writing much, much more in the last six months about The great misdirection of COVID, the exaggeration, whether or not there truly was a pandemic by any historical definition of the term, and much more.
But Sasha has been doing research on so many things.
She has looked at EUAs and other federal codes which have been violated, abused and misapplied for nefarious purposes.
She has investigated or she's actually shared with me that COVID injections could not possibly contain the mRNA that is claimed, that it's not possible to make those to scale.
She's done great research on this and she has fantastic knowledge and experience because she's actually conducted clinical trials.
She's an expert in these kinds of things.
Or in performance of clinical trials, right?
In perfecting them and performing them.
She believes, and she has claimed, and I believe substantiated very effectively that the jabs were an operation of the Department of Defense in the United States, that DoD is trying to deflect as much attention as possible in order to avoid the public realizing that DoD is the main perpetrator behind the COVID circus.
That's my term.
The biochemical and psychological attacks, whatever those entail, and that it's not public health agencies or vaccine manufacturers.
She's got leaked audio from AstraZeneca and so much more.
I'm going to let you direct the conversation about what you think are the most important things for us to talk on, touch on today, Sasha.
But before we dive into that, I just really want you to Give our listeners and viewers a bit of insight into what you have endured in the last couple of months to the last couple of years, because you have been subjected, like myself, to all sorts of smears and attacks, completely spurious.
And this is a very interesting thing, and I think it's really important for us to know that this is going on.
And so I'd really like it if you would share with us what you've experienced, and then we can dive into what you think are the top research items that you've uncovered.
So thank you so much for being here, Sasha.
I'm just delighted to have you with me.
Yeah, thank you, Leslie.
Thank you for inviting me.
Yeah, so I advise everyone to subscribe, who wants to know more about this, to subscribe to my sub stack, where it's the main source of my information.
It's in writing and very well sourced.
and referenced.
It's called "Due Diligence in Art" and the main pinned post is called "Summary of Everything and Quick Links" which I update from time to time and it's a short summary with links to pertinent posts and all the relevant information on what I have so far uncovered.
Yeah, I started looking into this whole disaster pretty early on.
I didn't I didn't really do much research in 2020, because for myself, I never worried about COVID illness.
I realized very early on and did my own calculations based on available infection fatality ratios, and I realized it was going to be just a bit more severe than normal flu season, maybe like 10-15%.
And I said, well, there's nothing to worry about and forgot it.
And I live in the woods and, you know, I just enjoyed myself, worked from home and mountain biked a lot.
And, you know, and only when they started pushing this mRNA as vaccine, then my, you know, ears perked up immediately because I knew it was inherently toxic.
Inherently toxic substance and wasn't even allowed to be tested in healthy volunteers, much less be mandated on every person, including pregnant women and children.
So that just immediately kind of put me on alert.
And since then, I've been around When data became available in 2021 and later I started writing about it.
But I am a nobody.
I never had really a social media presence.
And so my following was very small.
But now, several years later, I have a pretty large following now.
I mean, again, not huge and Substack is certainly a niche and it's a long form so it's not like Twitter, you know, millions of followers like some of the prominent figures have.
But anyway, so clearly my message started sticking about the role of the DoD and US government in all of this and the pre-planning and also I started collaborating with Catherine Watt who writes a lot about the law.
So this message is clearly getting through.
So about a year ago, I started having these attacks on me, personal attacks, personal smears.
So these are the people who are, there are various types of people.
Some of them are named, and a lot of them are anonymous bots.
But what you have to be aware of is whenever you see some repeated narrative, you know, the mockingbird narrative on anything, regardless of what it says, whether you agree or disagree with it, if you see messaging that's exactly the same along the same lines, repeated especially by anonymous bots online a lot, you should be concerned about that particular message.
And so what I started seeing is some Fairly prominent figures started saying, you know, putting out smears about me, my character, and saying, oh, she works for pharma.
I don't.
I retired in 2017.
I actually never worked for a pharmaceutical company.
I was a contractor to them, you know, so I was performing, they were my business clients.
And I was a business selling services to them, just like a law firm would be selling services to a pharma company.
I was selling contract research services to a pharma company.
But they're saying, oh, she works for Pfizer.
She's being paid by Pfizer.
She's a Pfizer shill.
Then after that, there was a campaign to smear me, my professional colleagues from years before, my daughter.
My husband.
Very, very prominent people started putting out totally false tweets about my husband saying that my husband belongs to the web or has connections to the web.
That's absolutely not true.
He has no connections to the web.
Things like that.
They're going after my daughter.
You know, just with like smears and innuendos.
They can't even say what they find objectionable exactly, but it's a whole bunch of smears and innuendos.
And so that to me is clear that they can't debate me, they can't disprove what I'm saying, they can't say that there's anything wrong to what I'm pointing as a matter of fact.
So they have to go attack character.
That's what's been going on for about a year now.
That's classic, right?
When there's nothing to really criticize, they go after your character because that's a much easier thing for them to do, right?
And they think it has sway with people, I think, as well.
You call someone a name or something and then other people are like, Oh my gosh.
And it's a great way, but it should to any astute person, astute, objective thinking person should realize that when ad hominems are being deployed, there's usually something else afoot.
And so, you know, I just want to remind our audience of that.
I also want to say Sasha, we're going to go for about an hour.
So let's just try and keep it to that.
Just Yeah, a couple more things.
A few people, one ex-CDC person, has accused me of being a Russian spy.
Seriously.
He's gone around on all kinds of prominent podcasts saying that I'm a Russian spy.
I'm not.
And another very prominent person started saying that I misrepresent Catherine Watt's work.
And Catherine Watt wrote immediately and said that I represent her work better than she does herself.
So that's what people need to be aware of.
And I advise everyone, if you're hearing something like this, go and first read what I'm saying on my sub stack.
Find it from me before you start believing these bizarre accusations, especially character smears.
Especially when there's no substance.
It's one thing if they want to try and debate the facts, but if they're just going for character, then that's a telltale that they're just trying to undermine your credibility and that's it.
So I think it's important for people to understand.
I didn't realize there was someone from the CDC as well or formerly from the CDC who was doing that.
That's awful.
But some of these people who've been doing this to you are very, very prominent indeed.
I would encourage all of our viewers to go and look at Sasha's Substack because you can see some of that information and decide for yourself what you want to believe.
Thank you for sharing that.
I know it's very uncomfortable, especially when it involves our family.
It's awful.
If you were going to pick three topics that you have uncovered in the last couple of years and unpack those for our viewers, what would those be, Sasha?
Yeah, so the most important one that I have been working on with Catherine is the role of the DoD in this whole orchestration of the pandemic, of the fake pandemic.
Somebody actually put it very succinctly, they said it's fake crisis, real tyranny.
So they orchestrate a fake disaster, some sort of a crisis, and then they come in and say, we will protect you and institute real tyranny, government overreach, trash the constitution and start all this, you know, medical fascism, you know, masking, lockdowns, you know, vaccination mandates and so forth.
So, but everyone was saying, well, everyone, but, you know, the prevailing narrative was that it's, you know, farmers being bad and trying to get a lot of money from US government and taxpayers.
And that's true.
They are bad.
They are complicit.
They're part of this cartel.
But as with any cartel, this is a very complicated cartel, you have to understand who is in charge and what is the hierarchy, right?
So pharmaceutical companies, while they're bad complicit, should be prosecuted, absolutely should be sued into oblivion on this.
They are not the main perpetrator.
The main perpetrator is the Department of Defense and the US government.
And what Catherine has uncovered is a critical piece of the puzzle, which is the changes in the law, in the U.S.
law, that made almost entirely this whole thing legal on paper.
So, the net effect of this is basically homicide has been made legal.
It's illegal in all other contexts, but as long as it's executed with the vaccine that is on CDC schedule and CDC recommends, homicide is completely legal.
And that's what we're trying to fight.
Now, the Department of- And it's under, this is under, is it under specifically the PrEP Act or is it something else?
So, what makes this legal is combination of public health emergency, PREP Act declaration, and then subsequent issuance of EUA authorizations for countermeasures.
I have to just say, did you see that just the other day, there was someone who was injured by a COVID shot that they did not want, and they sued for assault?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
And they lost.
Yes.
Even though this person was truly assaulted.
And what did the judge rule?
It was because of all of these other, because of the emergency, because of the PrEP Act.
Basically, you can't sue for assault with a deadly weapon, which is what it is, even though that's what happened.
It's like, it has nothing to do with whether or not the product was safe or dangerous.
It was whether or not this person was given something against their intentions or will with absent any informed consent.
And yet the judge just said, you know, listen, this is the law.
Exactly!
So that proves my point.
So assault, battery, kidnap.
So people who were kidnapped and put into the hospitals, sedated, remdesivir, and then starved to death.
That's also legal.
Okay, so all of this, they are all EUA countermeasures.
And this construct of Public Health Emergency Prep Act Declaration, EUA countermeasure, makes all of this legal, as the judge just said.
You know, so in other context, if this person was assaulted with a knife, okay?
Assaulted with a needle with something else, not vaccine, okay?
This would be completely open and shut case, right?
Very much so.
But in this case, this is what Catherine and I have been saying.
Now, the role of the DoD is they have pre-planned this since at least 2017 and it goes further than that, but that leaked AstraZeneca Audio that you're referring to, I have a video of it.
I just released audio portion.
Okay.
I'm not sure if in the video the person who recorded it could be identified.
And so just out of, you know, abundance of caution, I released only audio part.
And so in that audio part, it's very clear that the This consortium of pharmaceutical companies working on these countermeasures was started at least in 2017.
That's when AstraZeneca became part of it.
And it was established by the Department of Defense and they approached the companies.
So it's Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
They named specific person Matt Hepburn, Colonel Matt Hepburn.
He was also part of the Operation Warp Speed.
He's one of the prominent people, but nobody knows about him.
But he is the mastermind of this pandemic preparedness plan.
So they set up a consortium paying pharmaceutical companies to develop vaccines and therapeutics and diagnostics within 60 days, they said, within 60 days from DoD identifying a virus with pandemic potential.
And what's interesting in that video, the person from AstraZeneca, Mark Esser, who is discussing this says, at the time, I thought this was science fiction.
Well, yes, because it is science fiction.
It's a fake narrative that they've set up.
Now, his concerns, of course, were quickly squashed by lots of money that they received from the federal government and they said, well, OK, maybe we can work on this and maybe it's not a science fiction.
But it is science fiction.
You cannot develop safe medicines within 60 days or 100 days.
You know, it takes years and years.
But the Department of Defense needs to So what do they do?
wants to produce biological and chemical weapons, which are prohibited by international conventions.
But they have a loophole that says for defense and infectious disease research, you can manufacture biological weapons in small quantities.
So what do they do?
They set up these fake enterprises and cartels of these companies, paying them money to work on, work on biological weapons, except they renamed them into different other things like vaccines and therapeutics and diagnostics and things like that.
And that's essentially what they've been doing.
And then he says on February 4th, 2020, we received a call from Department of Defense saying that we need to switch to COVID immediately because it's been identified as national security threat.
What date was that?
Repeat that?
February 4th.
February 4th.
So what's interesting about that date, on that date, there was a handful, maybe 10, 11 cases of COVID PCR'd in the US, no deaths.
So there was zero virus circulating in the United States, yet they somehow identified as a national security threat.
Based on what?
And then another interesting thing is that the PrEP Act declaration and well, so the National Public Health Emergency was announced much later in March.
And prep act declaration was issued much later in March, and then made retroactive to February 4 to that date.
So what that tells us is DOD went ahead of all of the US government, including US President, with their plan to do this.
And then forced everyone to cover up and pretend it's a public health emergency and retroactively, you know, announce PrEP Act to the date when DOD called.
So that tells you who's in charge, right?
When DoD called the pharmaceutical companies, is that what you said?
Yes.
So the DoD decided, went ahead, didn't care about the rest of the US government or any structure.
By the way, I think Trump is complicit with this now.
At the time, he was still surprised, as of March 20th, he was still surprised by Mike Pompeo's comment saying, you know, this is a live exercise.
Yeah, so at that time he was surprised.
At that time he was probably like, you know, railroaded into this.
But now he's fully complicit, of course, because he's shilling for the vaccines.
So that's my assessment of the situation.
Who was in charge?
Who pulled the trigger?
And who went ahead with this plan?
And they pre-planned it, like, for a long time.
It's truly, it's so fantastical it's hard for most people to even begin to comprehend that government could be that corrupt.
You know, I was writing in March already of 2020.
I wrote an article called Slow March to Authoritarianism.
I was talking about how they were, how they've been planning this for a long time using a public health emergency or so-called emergency as a pretext for implementing draconian measures that they had been planning for it by changing the laws going back over 20 years.
And it's very interesting.
I mean, it's so hard for most people to comprehend that there are people who are that evil.
And I think that, to me, the most important conclusion from my 20 plus years of research and from what you have added in the last couple of years is that You know, the people that we think run the show do not run the show.
No.
I was speaking somewhere, I don't know when was it, probably two years ago or something, a year and a half or two years ago, and someone said, Who do you think is really behind all this?
And I said, you know, intelligence and military.
And I think this really drives that home, that we do not live in free countries with free and fair elections, electing people who we think represent us.
That's just not the way that it works.
And I think that the silver lining of all of this is that it's coming to light much more Than it was because I've been saying this kind of stuff for a long time and people thought I was a lunatic, right?
I gave a speech like seven or eight years ago talking about how we're at war with our government because I was talking about, you know, look at fluoride, x-rays, mercury in people's teeth, aluminum in vaccines, mercury in shots, chemtrails, GMOs, processed food, The recommendations to eat lots of vegetable oils instead of butter and animal fat, like all of this stuff.
The whole thing about eating the food pyramid, you know, eat 70% of your diet should be carbohydrates.
Well, that's a recipe for inflammation, terrible health and obesity.
That's what that is.
Why are they recommending?
My point is, look at all these things.
It's all the opposite of the truth.
It's all an inversion.
Now it's coming to light and so now I think people are starting to realize that actually What many of us have been saying for a long time is spot-on You need to take charge of your life.
You need to educate yourself about all your decisions independently and then you need to actually drive your own bus essentially and and take accountability because if you don't then you are much more liable to being victimized by this truly nefarious cabal of People who are running not just this country, but the world, you know?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And that's for sure.
As I said, well, all you have to do is look at the vaccine schedule.
That's the systematic poisoning of multiple generations of people, and it drives everything.
You know, another part I'm writing about is, you know, the role, basically how exactly the poisoning is happening and what Exactly is in this shot.
So, I've investigated the, you know, my first analysis was batch variability of these mRNA vaccines.
And that's the only data that was available publicly at that time, VAERS.
And I was the first person who published on the batch variability in 2021.
And That just indicates that these products are not manufactured.
Yeah, I was the first person who said in 2021, they're not CGMP compliant, not good manufacturing practice compliant.
So they're violating pharmaceutical law.
And at that time, I thought it was a slam dunk, you know, we can stop it because this is such a blatant, huge violation.
And we have all these layers of enforcement of pharmaceutical law, you know, starting from FDA and FBI has enforcement and local state governments have enforcement and nobody in the government ever like enforced anything about this, which also tells you it's intentional.
So at that time also, once no enforcement happened, I said, well, it's intentional then.
And it is intentional.
So they want to poison people with these shots.
But the vaccines in general are a poisoning mechanism.
And it's been like that since forever.
And you know, the schedule has ballooned.
Autism has increased dramatically in perfect correlation with it.
And they're still denying that autism is caused by vaccines.
But in addition to autism, they cause everything.
They cause obesity, they cause diabetes, they cause neurodegenerative diseases, they cause ADHD, anxiety, depression.
Alzheimer's, autoimmune disease, inflammatory.
You know, you remember I made a documentary on vaccines.
I don't know if you remember.
Yeah, all the food allergies.
I mean, they're all contaminated with these proteins of food proteins.
And so the gluten, the wheat, the soy, the corn, all of it.
So it's all vaccines.
And this has been driven by CDC militantly.
You know, forever.
And CDC refuses.
I mean, listen, I actually, I don't know if I have it here, but I have a little pamphlet that the CDC or someone put out in 1954 prior to release of the polio shots.
And it talks about how only a small group of children are going to get these shots and all the doses have already been spoken for.
And there's no way for you to get one.
And I was like, oh my gosh, in 1954, it was the same script.
Let's make people afraid and then tell them that there's not enough for everybody to go around and boost demand.
I'm like, this is the same playbook going back 70 years.
Yeah, exact same playbook.
They have all these tactics.
They use the same tactic, for example, with the marinade shots.
Do you know that in VAERS, if you look at the correlation of deaths to the day of the week, They're perfectly correlated.
They go in these perfect cycles of Wednesday, Thursday is the highest death rate.
And you know why?
Because all of the shots were scheduled primarily into Wednesday and Thursday.
There was never a shortage of these vaccines, but they used electronic apps to schedule them, and they pushed almost everyone into Wednesday and Thursday, so that when people arrive there, there's a crowd.
Oh my gosh, so they basically didn't even know they could go on a Monday or Tuesday, probably, because they didn't allow the scheduling.
Yeah, because they go online to schedule it in the pharmacy or wherever, so they were always like, oh, here's the app, Yeah.
And then abroad, it was always like the people would receive these texts from their health department.
I know in Europe, many people told me that they would receive the text from the health department and say, oh, your window to get scheduled is this.
And so they would just all push them into the same day.
In the US, all the CVS pharmacies, the Safeway pharmacies, they all schedule them into Wednesday, so that you get there, there's a crowd, there's a line, they can get it filmed by the news, just to create this illusion that, oh my God, there's a shortage, there's a crowd going around the building.
Did you see this doctor?
She was a pediatrician originally and then she became a general practitioner in Ireland.
I think she's in Northern Ireland, I believe, Belfast.
And she was on Dr. Sam Bailey's show a few weeks ago or some time not too long ago.
And she says, listen, I was in the emergency room.
I was assigned to the emergency room department and nothing was happening in there.
And yet the spokespeople for the hospital and other mucky mucks were outside telling the news.
Literally standing there, lying to the public, telling them it's mayhem in here, there are people everywhere sick and dying, and there's nothing we can do, and this is so awful, and blah, blah, blah.
I mean, on and on.
It's incredible.
Again, it comes back to the same issue where most of us who are decent human beings Can't even fathom lying like that, deceiving people like that.
And that's one of the reasons why it's able to be pulled off because people can't imagine being so evil.
So I want to touch on what you were just talking about.
The way that I met you originally was through your research on the good manufacturing practices for pharmaceutical companies.
You presented to a group I'm in and I was like, this is unbelievable information.
What you talked about was the inability to actually not only produce mRNA, I think, from a stability standpoint, but also at scale.
So, I'd love for you to unpack that for us, but I also have to add to you, I just got an email today from somebody and he says that there is some study, some Let me see if I can find it.
Oh yeah, he says that there's a report out of Germany in which, and this is the first time I'm announcing this, I have to go and dig deeper, but there was a study or some kind of research done.
I don't know if it's a published study or what it is, but it shows that they looked at a bunch of different vaccines, 14 vaccines or something like that, and they found 40 trillion nanoparticles of heavy metals in each of the shots.
Yeah, yeah.
And they said there was nothing else in there but these nanoparticles of metals and that this could be actually what's the toxicity.
But will you just explain to our viewers what you uncover, you know, what your experience told you about the ability to make mRNA, modified RNA.
I want to be sure that we're, you know, mRNA is in your body, modified RNA is in something else.
It's artificial.
And that we don't really have the capacity or capability to create it in a stable way or at scales.
Could you explain that?
So there's a lot of confusion about the whole area of science, which is broadly called synthetic biology, right?
And even the name is a lie.
There is no synthetic biology.
There's only real biology created by God.
Everything synthetic is basically a variety of chemical synthesis methods, man-made.
And they can be successful.
You can make, you know, Synthetic fake leather, for example, but it's not part of a cow and it has nothing to do with natural materials that make a cow.
So that's how you should think about all those things.
And there's a lot of word confusion.
So they never tell you what's natural, what's artificial on purpose.
I actually started writing definitions, a list of definitions specifically, because there's a lot of people now looking into vaccinations of animals and how to distinguish what from what.
So, also Catherine Watt yesterday put out a really good substack on this particular matter in terms of regulation of biotechnology and that it's really badly regulated, almost not regulated at all.
So, while chemistry has been around for a long time and synthetic chemicals can be made and successfully made and used in a variety of applications, the chemical synthesis of small molecule chemicals is very well known.
Fairly straightforward now, well-characterized, and can be made pure, and you can think of it as pretty close to deterministic.
So what you want to make, you actually can make, and then you can check that you made it.
Now, with the biological manufacturing, not the case at all.
It's probabilistic.
It's probabilistic and very poor probability.
So instead of making something deterministic, they're collecting a whole bunch of variety of processes, including chemical and then something that they need to force some cell to make.
And that part is, it's unpredictable, because they're trying to force nature.
To do something.
And the results are always unpredictable and unstable because they're trying to make very, very large molecules.
So standard chemicals are small, under 900 daltons.
Biological compounds are kilodaltons.
And many, many kilodaltons.
So they're huge.
And because they're huge and made with these synthetic processes, they're unstable and they break almost immediately.
And they can never make it pure.
They can only kind of aim at certain percentage Of the output to be to the spec and the rest is going to be broken down and depending on how it breaks down, which is unpredictable.
I describe it as like shrapnel, you know, like, you know, you can have a big pane of glass breaking and you have no idea what kind of pieces you're gonna get.
You can't predict that.
So, depending on how it breaks, then you can have all these little pieces that can themselves interact and interact with your system and cause all kinds of damage.
Now, when they say they can't make a marinade, so, well, what they're making... Before we go there, I'm going to ask you something.
So on your first thing, you said that they can make synthetic things and it's pretty deterministic.
And then you said that the biological stuff, not so much.
So the synthetic biology, whatever, this emerging.
What kinds of synthetic things can they make?
Well, it generally is in two categories.
There's lots of things that they're making.
So like synthetic mRNA and synthetic DNA.
Those are chemicals.
They're made synthetic molecules.
Made by Chemical Techniques.
And they call them DNA or mRNA or RNA, but they're not natural DNA or RNA.
So what you have to understand also, DNA and RNA, these are mathematical models.
Nobody even observed them in nature.
There's practically no imaging of DNA.
The DNA Nobel Prize was given for mathematical model.
They got a Nobel Prize for mathematical model.
So DNA is a model.
RNA is a model.
Nobody has observed them in nature.
What has been observed in nature is chromosomes.
Just like viruses haven't been observed in nature either.
Right, exactly.
So it's kind of in the same area of, you know, I'm not saying like viruses don't exist or DNA doesn't exist.
It's just that we don't have a very solid understanding of what it is because we haven't directly observed it.
It's all indirect.
It's all from derivation from other observed effects, which is much less certain than you actually saw it.
Like chromosome, yes, you can image it.
DNA?
No, not so much.
So when they say I'm making DNA, it's also made to some sort of averaged model.
You know, so by doing a whole bunch of experiments, they've decided, you know, they derived some sort of model.
And then they're saying, I'm going to synthesize this to this model.
And then they make us with a synthetic chemical process.
Again, that's not how nature makes it.
It's how human makes it.
So they synthesize it, but they can't quite always get it 100% the same.
It's always something different.
That's what I'm saying, probabilistic.
So it's a bunch of chemical synthesis of which the result is unpredictable.
And then they're claiming a whole bunch of things on top of it, okay?
So, and then they encapsulate all this into a transfectant type of a platform.
Transfectant meaning that they now can... So, standard chemicals, you know, they're processed by the body, but they don't interfere with the cellular mechanisms.
These things do, and they're designed to do so.
So they interfere with our own genetic processes inside the cell, because they're encapsulated in a lot of chemicals that the cell recognizes as, you know, something that I need to take up instead of protect from.
And so they kind of like designed this Trojan horse mechanism where they can now penetrate the cellular mechanisms.
They can also, oftentimes these compounds, these biological compounds, they hack not necessarily the hosts, the human cell, but they hack our microbiome.
So again, people forget that human body is very, very much more microbiome than its own cells.
Yeah, there are multiple times more bacterial cells than actual human cells in the human body.
So we're like a forest, like a soil with forest on it.
We're the whole entire system.
And these microbiome, especially in the gut, there's microbiome everywhere, but especially in the gut, is extremely responsible for all the metabolism, making neurotransmitters, and a whole bunch of other things.
And because you can hack those bacteria and you can destroy them, have one die off, another overgrow, some other Species develop.
That's what drives, in fact, when kids get vaccinated and become obese and develop autism or ADHD.
Most of the time that's because their microbiome has been destroyed by these chemicals.
And now we have this whole mechanism of transfecting humans, transfecting microbiome, Invading gut bacteria, E. coli, with these synthetic mRNAs that are broken down.
God knows what they are making, aberrant proteins.
And then the gut biome E. coli pick them up because that's what they do.
They pick up genetic material and they start replicating it.
So the person becomes, and then the person, because the gut is now replicating the stuff, you're now also shedding it, you know, that's what shedding is.
So the person is now shedding these things to others, you know, and that's what I'm saying.
Yes, they're making some molecules that they're calling mRNA, but that's not mRNA.
That's a synthetic chemical that they encapsulate in other synthetic chemicals that transfects your system, either human cells or microbiome cells.
You've also said, though, that they could never make it to scale.
They could not make billions of these things.
Why not?
It's very unclear as to what exactly they do because Pfizer was claiming the last piece of FOIA data that was actually over a year ago now.
They were claiming batches of vaccine of 900 liters of mRNA.
And that's not possible because they already at 37 liters, like the chemical reactions, they actually very much depend on scale also.
It's some scale.
So when they were making 37 liter batches, they were reporting that their chemical reaction ceases.
And that's true because like in a large container, your chemical reaction is not going to go the same way as in the small.
And, uh, so like making that large of a, of a single batch, like it's supposed to be single production run.
It's not possible.
So obviously they're making small ones all over the place, then pouring them into same and label, labeling the same.
So that's another violation of.
Wow.
Yeah.
So then there's no traceability.
Wow.
Also, by the way, all of these processes are now single-use containers, which makes it even less traceable because you don't even have production line.
You have different bags that you mixed up together, and then that's single-use.
So the production line is gone.
There is nothing to inspect.
Wait a second.
But isn't there still some kind of point where you start and say, this is lot number 403 and this is lot number 404? - It's supposed to be.
It's supposed to be, but I also have now some inside information specifically from Moderna manufacturing.
And people in the Moderna facility in Massachusetts, they are not responsible from beginning to end.
They're only in the middle.
So the active substance comes from somewhere else.
They don't know what's in it.
And that's another violation that you're supposed to know.
It's all supposed to be traceable.
But then they even tried to look at the records for me and they can't trace it.
So it comes from...
Some supplier somewhere who makes active substance, they're transforming it and putting it into lipid nanoparticle, and then they ship it to the fill finish facility.
So here's the other thing, something that's always boggled my mind.
Okay, so they supply, so they get it from a third party, whatever the mRNA solution is supposed to be, and then you said they put it into a lipid nanoparticle.
How the heck do you put something that small inside of something else that's a lipid nanoparticle?
I mean, it just seems ridiculous to me.
You can't even see it.
How could you possibly inject something inside of a lipid nanoparticle?
Yeah, they don't inject.
It's a chemical reaction.
So they literally just pour this bag of of active substance that came in into another solution.
And that chemical reaction is supposed to create these perfect bubbles.
But another, you know, another great researcher on Substack is Maria Gucci.
She's a pharmacist from Canada.
She wrote a very detailed analysis of these manufacturing processes.
And she says, nobody has ever demonstrated that they can actually even make the lipid nanoparticle.
Because they always show you these beautiful cartoons, right?
Exactly.
But like she said, the only couple of what you could believe are real images of these lipid nanoparticles, they're all kinds of sizes, large, small, and glued together, and halfway.
So because it's a chemical reaction and it doesn't go perfectly.
So basically, people are being injected with some kind of brew of unknown provenance and unknown ingredients.
So it's like Russian roulette, as we say.
It is Russian roulette, yeah.
So exactly, because this whole biologics manufacturing is just probabilistic.
It's a hope upon hope upon a bunch of assertions and modeling.
And very little actual observed science, you know?
It's unreal.
It's truly unreal.
So, we've got about 15 minutes left, so let's talk about this.
Let's use this, because it's just another example of this lunacy and absurdity.
I mean, I know I'm using, you know, Maybe I'm being prone to hyperbole, but I really think that you can't exaggerate enough what is going on.
And where I wanted to go with this was to kind of circle back to the whole DoD thing.
Why was DoD involved?
Why did DoD do this?
Why this whole thing in your estimation?
What is going on?
What's really happening?
And why such an effort to try and control the narrative in so many ways?
Well, you know, why?
I can't really... Like, what do you think?
Of course, it's just your view.
I'm not saying... Yeah, as I said, I don't sit in the heads of the criminals, so... No, no, no, of course not.
They're thinking it.
But I think a lot of it was pre-planned a long time ago.
So even with the 9-11 anthrax letters, you could see now, in retrospect, that they're completely related to this.
So they were, at that time, Shaking down Congress and sending them, so obviously DOD sent them those letters, you know, they came from Fort Detrick.
They said the anthrax strain was identifiable.
Of course it is, because it's a chemical compound, it's not anthrax.
So they were sending them, the two resistors in Congress were sending these scary letters with poison, To get them to comply and to put through this Patriot Act and all that stuff, right?
The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act legislation, which I've talked about a lot, which came two weeks after the Patriot Act, and that is the legislation that actually allowed 2020 to happen, the lockdowns and everything else.
Literally, that was put in place at the end of 2001.
Yep.
When no one was looking, everybody was, oh, you know, Osama bin Laden, Iraq, Saddam Hussein.
So, so right.
And actually, I even met with, when I was in Sweden, I met with a retired military, high ranking person who was in, in Iraq, and who was involved in, you know, they were supposed to be checking for chemical weapons.
And he said, our people went into that facility where they said, oh, they're storing chemical weapons there.
And they took off their masks and said, there are no chemical weapons here.
And so we know it was all manufactured to create this fake Crisis, real tyranny, right?
Scenario.
Now, why?
Well, we probably need to go back to those years to understand exactly why they were planning it from 2001.
But what I can see from by 2012 and definitely 2017, they already set up this whole consortium.
It may be because this is how they are making money.
The CIA and Department of Defense have been making money on illegal drug and weapons trades for a long time.
We know that.
Maybe at some point you run out of market because you're only limited to the consumers of illegal drugs and you need to expand to a bigger market.
That's one reason.
Another reason is that, you know, health is, they somehow identified this whole health as As a way to instill tyranny on the pretenses of being good guys and helping and saving.
Probably they figured out this is one of the levers that you can get mass compliance.
If you threaten people with viruses, something invisible, something very, very scary, engineered viruses and things like that.
So they also, at the same time, as you remember, in the past 15 years or 20 years, all these Hollywood productions and movies with big stars like Contagion and Outbreak.
Portraying all these ridiculous, completely fake scenarios because that doesn't happen like this in nature.
So people also need to understand pandemics do not exist.
They're not possible.
Yet, in all these movies, they pretend like this little mosquito bites this little monkey and the monkey bites this person and then half the world dies, right?
You know?
Totally.
Well, and they just lie constantly about it.
And they lie constantly, right?
So, but, and, and so, but everyone is programmed now to be, to be triggered by these words, virus, by engineers, you know, so of course, and that's how they drive mass compliance.
Cause people don't think they react most, most of the people.
So let me interject, if I may.
I think there are a few other things that play a huge role in this.
One is that the, When I trained on Wall Street, so I started training in 1992, one of the things that the Goldman Sachs pharmaceutical analyst taught me was that there are basically no more unmet medical needs in the pharmaceutical industry.
And that means that there's not a lot of growth potential and these were stocks, pharmaceutical stocks, We're trading on very high multiples of their earnings and they were going to come down a lot because there's not a lot of growth left.
So, they started creating all these Me Too products.
But then don't forget what happened in 1986 as well, which was the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which protected all the vaccine makers.
So, on the one hand, you've got pharmaceutical industry trying to keep its profits, its sales And then you've also got the law that protects the pharmaceutical industry from any kind of liability for their vaccines and all of a sudden the risk reward completely changes.
And so, you know, we have to remember that vaccines are given to everybody, whereas drugs are only given to a very small population of, you know, the addressable market.
And so you go from having, oh, okay, how many people have restless legs or whatever, I'm just making it up, to every person on the planet, if you can scare them enough.
Yes, exactly.
So this is what I really wanted to go to you in.
So you had said in an email to me or something that the DoD is the main perpetrator because they are trying to deflect away from what's really going on.
I want anyone to know what's going on because they're actually driving the bus.
And is it in order to continue to be able To be able to continue these psychological operations so they can make money?
Is that what it's for, do you think?
Exactly.
So they're running cover.
And even Pfizer, when Pfizer is now sued in numerous cases, nothing has progressed in a way, really, yet.
For this reason.
Because DOD and the US government are running cover for them.
Very, very hard.
So, the DoD wants this to continue because they want to make money through this way.
So, Pfizer is a money-making mechanism, and you're correct.
The pharmaceutical industry returns were at zero in 2017, actually below zero as a whole, because they ran out of IP.
So, this is a new IP for them, new way to make money, but they can't without Solid government protection.
And so even in their motions to dismiss, Pfizer cites derivative sovereign immunity.
Okay, so yes.
I haven't heard that yet.
Okay.
Yes, I haven't heard that, but they said it's derivative sovereign immunity and they even cite that, I might be butchering this term, but there's a term where they're saying courts have no business deciding this.
It's like undecidable, unjudiciable.
Yeah.
And because we have this derivative sovereign immunity from the U.S.
government, you can't touch us.
That's what they're saying.
In fact, they're correct because they have been promised that when they got into this business.
Just let's explain.
Do you want to explain what sovereign immunity is?
Well, sovereign immunity is something that is enjoyed by a state, usually.
Although a bunch of NGOs claim that too, like Bill Gates also has sovereign immunity.
It's not just that.
In the United States, lots and lots of officials, so the governors, the politicians at your state and local level, as long as they are executing their duties, In good faith, then they are immune from a lot of attacks, legal attacks.
Exactly.
So it's, you know, this is what's happening all across the country and it's outrageous.
Prosecutors have immunity as well.
They cannot be attacked.
So they could literally just go after you for any reason that they choose.
Which they do for some people.
And there's no recourse.
And there's nothing that can be done to them because they're immune.
And so this is the real problem with sovereign immunity.
And that somehow that Pfizer or any pharmaceutical industry participant could receive that kind of protection is just beggar's belief.
Right.
So Pfizer tells in their motion to dismiss, I'm not acting as a pharmaceutical corporation.
I'm acting as essentially a protected government entity.
Yeah, in the course of performing some sort of a government function and good faith, right?
So that's what they're claiming.
That's what they're telling us, because they have been promised this.
And in fact, all these laws that Catherine has traced are designed to do just that, to have net effect of that protection.
You know, so that's why I'm saying, yeah, Pfizer is very, very bad, but they're not driving the bus.
The DoD and the US government are driving the bus.
So that's what we need to uncover.
That's what we need to go and to stop this from and the reason they're doing this and because they want to continue.
They're not done.
They want to continue with these pandemics.
For example, the COVID Prep Act is still valid until the end of this year and they'll extend it again.
This is like 11th or 12th extension.
And we also have PrEP Act for Marburg and Ebola.
So we're currently under Marburg and Ebola public health emergency until the end of 2028.
So they want to continue this.
They want to continue running this country, essentially under a military coup, because this is a military coup.
They're just pretending it's public health, or covering it up with public health, by extending this Far Back Declaration and doing another wave of another stuff, calling it another.
Now they're trying to pretend there is a plague epidemic, because we have two plague cases in New Mexico, and we usually have about 20 a year.
Have there even been any cases of Marburg?
I mean... No.
Yeah, exactly.
And so you would think that they would only be permitted to create or declare some kind of a public health emergency if there was a public health emergency, but this proves that that's not the case.
That's not the case.
They can just declare it.
It's not the case at all.
They can just declare it.
And some really prominent health freedom movement leaders are saying that pandemics are declared.
And get really upset when you start pointing to the fact that, you know, this wasn't a deadly disease.
This wasn't no excess mortality and no particular economic impact before they started locking everything down and wrecking everything.
You know, but that's what they want.
That's exactly what they want to continue.
They want to continue the government being able to declare a pandemic and triggering all these laws.
And all their derivative sovereign immunities, whatever they're claiming, to be able to do this in perpetuity.
I don't know until they kill us all or what, but it's going on.
So, Sasha, we need to wrap up.
This is like so depressing.
I like you try and end on a good note.
So is there anything that you can say that you think people can do or in any way encourage them?
I have some ideas, but anything that you want to offer to our audience about what they might be able to do in their own small way to make things a little bit brighter for themselves and their communities?
Well, I think what's good news, I guess, so good news is more people are getting educated about this.
Even the, like, very deluded people are now, at least they kind of pause and think about this whole, you know, should they get the nines booster?
So nobody got nine boosters.
That's good news.
All of us are anti-vaxxers now.
So we're all on the same page.
Join the club.
I've been in the party for a really long time.
So that means that there is like public awareness to something and the word has gone on.
And I think we need to build on from here.
Talk to your friends and family, even the deluded ones.
Continue talking to them.
They're obviously kind of their mind is being changed a little bit.
The next time they try to do the same thing, we should not comply at all.
If in 2020 people just said, no, screw off, this is just unconstitutional and illegal, they wouldn't be able to do a thing.
It all depends on our compliance.
So my message is don't comply.
Don't comply.
Withdraw your trust.
Talk to your friends and neighbors.
And the next wave is going into all of this is going into food and animal vaccinations.
And you need to and as consumers, we have much more power.
on the food front versus the health and medicine.
So we need to talk to everyone about this.
I just published today an article.
I advise people to go read it.
And there are some basic steps you can do.
Just make everyone around you aware.
Talk to the ranchers.
Talk to the farmers.
Talk to your suppliers of food.
And we need to just educate everyone and put up a united front on that so that they can't do this.
Yeah, I totally agree.
So don't comply and grow your own food, I think.
And join the Weston A. Price Foundation, which I'm a board member and a very, very long member because they're doing such fantastic work.
And my next show is actually going to have Sally Fallon Murrell, the president and founder of Weston Price on it.
So, Sasha, this has just been fascinating.
I mean, truly riveting.
I just so appreciate your courage, your strength, your diligence.
You're willing to share all of this with us because if it weren't for you, you really truly are a hero.
You know, you didn't have to engage in this fight and you've used your expertise and your energy to really try and open up people's minds and make them aware of what's going on and I'm really grateful.
So thank you so much for being with us today.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you for inviting me.
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