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Steve Kirsch on Unleashed with Marc Morano - 16 March 2024
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Today's news talk, TNT Radio.
Welcome back on Lease with Mark Morano on TNT.
All right, joining us now is Steve Kirsch, philanthropist, truth teller, critical thinker, founder of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund.
Welcome to the program, Steve.
Thanks, Mark.
It's good to be here.
All right, it says here that you were red-pilled, that you were transformed from a vaccinated blue-pilled believer to a red-pilled misinformation super-spreader, in quotes.
So, what is your story?
Why did you turn against the science?
And why did you turn against the public health experts?
Tell us your story as it relates to COVID and how you came about to founding your organization, the Early Treatment Fund.
Well, we'll start with the Early Treatment Fund.
I started that because I was basically locked out of work and wanted to see what I could do to accelerate my return.
And so I ended up raising about $6 million from generous donors, and we funded early treatment clinical trials.
on drugs like Fluvoxamine and other drugs that could possibly make a difference.
In the case of Fluvoxamine, it was featured on 60 Minutes.
There were a number of trials showing it worked, and the FDA basically said, we're going to deny the EUA because the benefits don't outweigh the risk.
It was insane.
But I ended up taking the vaccines because the FDA said it was safe and effective, And because if they were so stringent with the EUA on fluvoxamine, then they must have really, really high standards.
And then I started hearing horror stories from my friends.
One of my Twitter followers wrote in and said, Three of her relatives died within a week after taking the vaccine, and they were all perfectly healthy before that.
And then a week later, my carpet cleaner shows up at my door and relates a story of having a heart attack two minutes after he got the shot.
And this guy's like 34 years old in perfect health, and he has never been the same since his one shot.
Wow.
Yeah, go ahead.
No, I was just saying, and so that led me to start to look at the data in the trials and in the VAERS reports and so forth.
And all the data showed that this vaccine was the most dangerous vaccine of all time.
So, essentially, what I was seeing with my own eyes and experiencing personally from people I knew was validated in the larger number.
So it wasn't just a few anecdotes that I happened to be unlucky.
There was no question that this vaccine is extremely dangerous and that the dangers outweigh any of the benefits which appear to be non-existent.
And so the more I've learned, the more I've realized how corrupt The medical system is the FDA is the medical journals, the CDC and all that.
In fact, I was on a call with the FDA this morning with 1 of their top media leadership.
And I said, you know, I've been reaching out to the FDA for months, trying to get a dialogue so we can resolve our differences.
And I just basically get ghosted.
And the guy promised me he would look into it.
And he said to call him and I could check in with him.
And I said, great, you know, it's nice to actually be able to actually talk to someone for the first time at the FDA about this after years of trying.
Well, go back to you said your drug research or the one you're putting got rejected because they didn't think it was efficacious or something.
But here's the question.
Was that affected by the emergency use authorization of the Operation Warp Speed with the COVID-19 vaccine where they basically didn't want any competition?
How would you evaluate it along those lines?
I'd say that's highly likely because anybody who looked at the data would say that the benefits outweigh the risk.
I mean, it's really impossible to look at that data and make a claim that that was not true.
So, Then they put in a few other excuses, how they need a drug company to sponsor it and so forth.
But the fundamental crux was, we're not convinced that the benefits outweigh the risks.
And that's crazy for a drug that's been approved and on the market for 30 years.
And the The number of deaths in this drug, it's like infinitesimal.
And so there's virtually no risk for this drug.
And it was being recommended, we asked for them to recommend it at half the dose that it's normally prescribed for.
So super safe drug.
It was for a very short time at half the dose.
And they said, well, we don't think the benefits outweigh the risks.
That is impossible.
Based on the data that was presented to them.
But, you know, you can't argue with these people because they never give you a forum for a public discussion on the merits of the argument.
It's just, they opine and you have to follow what they say.
There's, you know, you're not allowed to argue with them.
It's really very, very corrupt.
So I would say that is probably influenced by the, hey, if we had a treatment, then we couldn't approve the vaccines.
That probably had something to do with it, but I don't have any hard evidence of it.
But this is something that's very clearly, there's no way you could argue that the benefits didn't outweigh the risks.
You think it would have helped if, say, the former FDA commissioner was on the board of the drug company you were trying to get approved and making a lot of money with that and had influence?
You think that would have helped you get approved, get that medicine approved?
Yeah, well, I don't think anything would have helped me to have gotten any kind of, look, there were treatments where people, where 10,000 patients were being treated and virtually, you know, there's like one hospitalization and no deaths.
There were treatment protocols that existed and the CDC was not interested In looking at any treatment protocol like this.
Now, you can't have 10,000 cases of COVID and have like one hospitalization because they got the treatment late.
I mean, you can't argue that you need a clinical trial on that one, but that's what they do.
You know, they say, well, it has to be tested in randomized clinical trials.
You know, those are the words.
And yet, lots of the drugs that Well, tell me about this.
So the adverse effects that you were hearing about, witnessing, the government kept track of it.
Then they started putting limits on keeping track of that.
And I remember when they mandated the COVID-19 vaccine through, I want to say it was OSHA, the regulatory agency, they were actually in, By law, weren't allowed to record any adverse reactions of that COVID-19 mandate, of the medicine.
So they weren't even keeping track of it.
So a year after they did it, they could say, well, any adverse effects?
Well, we have no reports of it because they refused to take any reports.
What was going on here?
Is this just corruption from beginning to end?
Are they covering up?
Is this government-corporate collusion?
How would you explain what we're seeing and what you saw and how does it continue?
Well, you know, I'd like to say that all these people were all well-meaning and they were simply following the experts, in quotes, advice of people who are supposed to know what they're doing.
But it goes beyond that.
You know, there was a trial that was done for 12 to 15-year-olds.
And one of the people who enrolled in that trial, and it was about 1,100 people, 1,100 kids who got the drug in that trial.
One of them, at least one of them, ended up permanently paralyzed from the drug.
I mean, she was perfectly healthy, and within 24 hours after the shot, she couldn't walk off the school bus on her own.
She's now a paraplegic and was becoming a quadriplegic.
And she can't eat on her own.
She has to eat through a feeding tube.
She can't walk.
She'll probably, you know, never, I don't know if she'll ever be able to eat normally again in her life.
And this was reported in the trial as mild abdominal discomfort.
And it was not reported as a serious adverse event in the paper that's published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
So not only do we have corruption of the paper, which should have been retracted for fraud, but Janet Woodcock, who was the FDA commissioner at the time, assured me that the FDA would look into this because this is clinical trial fraud.
They never looked into it.
They never even called the family on the telephone.
The CDC never looked into it.
The Pfizer never looked into it.
And the mainstream media completely ignored it.
So this is the kind of corruption we're talking about where people know That this was wrong and yet they basically turned a blind eye to this very serious vaccine injury and all other serious vaccine injuries.
They basically turn a blind eye to it because they don't want to look like they made a mistake.
So, It's very, very corrupt.
And when Brooke Jackson, who was an employee of Ventana, which is one of the contractors used by Pfizer, reported the misconduct in these clinical trials to the FDA, within 24 hours she was fired from her job.
Now, when you are a whistleblower to the FDA, you expect that your identity is kept confidential so you're not outed and can continue to report in the corrupt behavior.
But what the FDA did was call Pfizer, and then Pfizer had her fired from Fantana within 24 hours of the call.
So we're talking about people who are deliberately creating corruption of this medical data.
And all of these studies that appear in the mainstream, or sorry, in the peer-reviewed literature, if you look at all of them, there's a data availability statement in it, and they always say the data is not available.
So look, if the vaccines are really safe and effective, the FDA and the CDC should be inviting people like me and other people they accuse of spreading misinformation.
And they should invite us all to the FDA so that we can do queries on the VSD database and on the Medicare database and the Medicaid database and the other databases that they have so they can show we have nothing to hide.
There has been no invitation for us to look at the data, which means, of course, that the data shows that the vaccines are killing people and they just don't want people to know.
And the estimates are probably on the order of 750,000 Americans prematurely lost their lives Due to this vaccine and worldwide the numbers is well over 10 million people have been killed by these vaccines and the benefit.
We can't find a benefit.
There was a VA study that was published in JAMA.
which is the Journal of the American Medical Association, and this study showed that if you're hospitalized for either the COVID virus or for the flu virus, That the percentages of vaccination in both those groups was identical, which means that the flu vaccine doesn't prevent hospitalization.
And it means that the COVID vaccine doesn't prevent hospitalizations.
And then you can extrapolate from that to show that if you can't Prevent hospitalizations, you can't prevent.
It doesn't prevent infections, and it also can't prevent mortality.
So basically, this one paper showed that the COVID vaccines and the flu vaccines do nothing for the target population that they were supposed to be designed for.
So, people don't want to talk about this paper, but nobody's been able to explain how the percentages of vaccination in both groups could be identical.
You know, because if you're vaccinated for the flu vaccine, there should be very few people who are hospitalized for the flu.
And if you're vaccinated for the COVID vaccine, it should be a disproportionately lower percentage of people who are hospitalized for the COVID virus that got the COVID vaccine.
But they were identical, which means neither vaccine worked.
Published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Can't get any better than that.
Wow.
Now, you've been a high-tech inventor of the optical mouse.
You've seen big corporations working.
You've worked with companies.
You've worked with the government.
How does this kind of level of corruption, deceit, happen?
Are they bought off?
Is it ideology?
You said they're embarrassed to admit they made a mistake.
The question then becomes, why are they still pushing this vaccine?
It's still recommended for children.
Doctors are pushing it on children based on the recommendation of the FDA, CDC, and public health.
How did this happen and is there any ombudsman or congressional inquiries looking into this?
Yeah, it happens because the drug companies cheat on the trials and they do not report adverse events that they should be reporting.
And so that they get their papers published in the peer-reviewed literature and then the medical community simply goes along with what's in the peer-reviewed literature.
Now, any attempt to publish a paper which goes against the narrative simply doesn't make it into the peer-reviewed literature, and we now know why that is.
It's because they consider us to be evil people that are writing these articles, and therefore anything that we say, even if it's true, should not be published.
So the doctors are basically only hearing one side of the narrative, and they're also told, the doctors are told that, hey, if you speak up and talk against the vaccines, we'll have your medical license revoked and we'll fire you from your job.
So nobody is speaking up.
It's basically this thing where a lot of the doctors know what's going on, but they're afraid to speak up.
And there are other doctors that simply believe what's in the medical journals and And so when they see all this deaths and injuries coming to their clinic, they just say, oh, well, it can't be the vaccine because the medical journals say that the vaccines are perfectly safe.
And all these studies show that they're perfectly safe when that is far from being the case.
And so we can't get the government to release the Medicare data on these vaccines.
Why is that?
You know, if the thing is safe, they should be releasing the data.
There are seven members of Parliament who asked the UK Office of National Statistics to release a more detailed report than they have released on these vaccines.
It's a time series cohort analysis, and They basically were ignored by the head of the Office of National Statistics, the UK Office of National Statistics.
They basically wrote in a letter saying, hey, we'd like to see a more detailed report here so we can see exactly what's going on.
And they basically were ignored, seven members of Parliament ignored by the UK Office of National Statistics.
So these people basically don't want to admit That they made a mistake.
They just want to believe that it's safe and effective and that everybody who is saying that it's not is simply a misinformation spreader.
And that is not the case.
And this is why we can't get a debate between any of us who are accused of spreading misinformation.
In any public health authority, whether it's the FDA, the CDC, any local or state public health authority, they don't want to appear on camera and talk about any of this, and they don't want to produce any of the data.
They want to keep the data hidden from the public.
And this is public health information.
It shouldn't be hidden from the public.
We've requested it, but it seems that nobody in public health believes in data transparency.
That's fundamentally the problem.
They simply don't want to look and find out whether they were right or not.
They would simply rather believe the experts and trust the experts and not look at their own data to make a determination as to whether the vaccines are safe or not.
Wow.
All right.
Well, I said, well, we're talking with Steve Kirsch, philanthropist, founder of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund.
We're going to continue this discussion.
I'm going to ask about congressional hearings, any kind of lawsuits, anything we could do to try to fight this.
We'll be right back after these messages on Unleashed with Mark Morano on TNT.
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Welcome back to Unleashed on TNT.
I'm your host, Mark Morano.
All right, we're continuing our discussion with Steve Kirsch, the founder of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund, about adverse reactions to COVID-19, about government indifference, government deception, government stonewalling.
Okay, Steve, here's a question.
Have you reached out to Capitol Hill?
There have been some hearings, I believe, at least on the vaccine mandates.
Has Capitol Hill Republicans been responsive?
Have anyone taken up this cause?
And also, can you do Freedom of Information Act requests?
Can anyone sue to get this information out?
So, the only person that I have talked to in Congress who is championing the vaccine injured is Senator Ron Johnson.
And unfortunately, he's in the minority.
So when he makes requests, they can just ignore him.
And so, you know, that's pretty troubling.
And the Freedom of Information Act requests, people have made these things, and they've uncovered just remarkable things.
So, for example, somebody asked for, could I see the analysis of the safety signals on these vaccines because you're required by law to do the safety signals.
So, the report comes back saying, yes, we did the analysis and here it is.
There were 770 different safety signals triggered by the COVID vaccine.
Now, that's a disaster.
You know, there should be like zero or maybe one That they would look into, but to have 770 different categories of safety signals that are triggered by the COVID vaccine should be a should be that that's a should be a 5 alarm fire at the CDC.
But what the CDC did was, when they got that report, they basically did nothing with it.
They didn't tell the public that, oh, 770 safety signals have been triggered here when there should be zero.
They said nothing!
They said absolutely nothing to the American public.
The only way we found out about this is because somebody sent in a Freedom of Information Act request and asked for the information.
So this does work some of the time, but other times they just ignore and stonewall the Freedom of Information Act request, such as with the v-safe data That attorney Aaron Seery tried to get out of the CDC.
He spent almost two years in court, and the court finally ordered the CDC to give up the information, which the CDC did.
These reports are very troubling when you read through them of what has happened to people with this so-called safe and effective vaccines.
Look, if the vaccines were really safe and effective, the CDC would be tripping over themselves to publish this data in the New York Times and in the Washington Post and all this.
But the CDC basically said, we're going to try to fight this release in court, meaning They don't want the public to know how unsafe these vaccines are, so they fight the Freedom of Information Act requests.
And on one of the more recent ones, they were asked to disclose the internal reports on their investigations into myocarditis.
And so the Freedom of Information Act request to see the report came back with hundreds.
In fact, every single page, and it was a multi-hundred page report, every single page was redacted.
So that's what happens with the Freedom of Information Act reports.
Well, at least they complied, right?
They gave them a report.
It just happened to be redacted.
Did it surprise you when, I think it was either Moderna or Pfizer, testified in front of the EU that they never even tested the COVID-19 vaccine, whether it stopped transmission, but the claim was made globally and by all public health.
They never even actually looked into it.
They had no test to show that.
That's right.
The CDC makes up science.
And the clearest example of that is the six foot rule.
There is no science behind the six foot rule.
They just met in a room and they make this shit up.
Just on the fly.
This is how it's done.
And everybody complies.
You go to the hospitals, you see these markers on the floor six feet apart saying, you know, please adhere to six foot.
You know, these people in the medical community just go along with it like they're hypnotized.
And these guys at the CDC are laughing.
They're just making this shit up in these rooms.
Or maybe it was the FDA that they make this stuff up.
But this is concocted.
These recommendations are just concocted out of thin air.
When this data is not available, yet all the doctors, like I'm going in for physical, I know people, they're going to be, this is going to be pushed on people still, especially children.
What would you tell the parent?
What would you tell individuals out there who, when they go to see their doctor, they say, hey, we have this COVID-19, they're combining it with the flu virus.
It's safe and effective.
It's been through clinical trials.
What would you tell the people in America who would be pushed by a doctor to take this?
Should they take it?
Not that you're a doctor, but I'm just asking from your experience.
Yeah, so the answer to that is that you should never take any vaccine and neither should your kids.
There was a study, there have been many studies that have been done comparing fully vaccinated kids with fully unvaccinated kids and in every single study in the peer-reviewed literature, without exception, The kids who had zero vaccines were far healthier than the kids who got the full vaccine schedule.
The vaccines are causing autism.
They're causing ADHD.
they're causing autoimmune diseases.
I mean, the autoimmune disease connection between vaccines and autoimmune diseases in general, the odds ratio on that is like 25, close to 25.
And I know that because I did a completely independent investigation and I surveyed 10,000 parents asking about their kids.
How many times you've vaccinated your kids?
How many vaccines have your kids gotten?
What kind of health outcomes do they have?
Do they have autoimmune disease?
Do they have ADHD?
Do they have autism?
And it's like a straight line correlation between the number of vaccines and the number of these events.
And in the case of autoimmune disease, the odds ratio is like close to 25, which means that virtually all cases of autoimmune diseases were caused by the vaccines.
And so the health implications of taking these vaccines is enormous, and people do not want to talk about this.
We cannot get anyone who is pro-vaccine to come debate us on any of these issues, such as autism.
So I assembled a group of experts on autism, and I invited anyone in the world to come and have a debate with us on this so we can settle the issue.
Because there are thousands of papers that claim that there's no connection between vaccines and autism, and there are even more papers that say that there is.
And so the peer-reviewed literature is simply not a place for resolving these differences of opinion.
But the people who think that there's no connection simply don't want to come to the debate table.
And anybody who claims that vaccines are beneficial doesn't want to come to the debate table either, because they're hiding all the data.
You know, even just the data on mortality and vaccines is hidden.
No government has ever voluntarily released even a time series cohort analysis on any vaccine Uh, to show more connection between the vaccines and mortality simply never has been done in history in any country in the world.
The data is always kept hidden under lock and key.
And so the advice I, I give to people who where their physician advises.
The vaccination is simply ask them for the data.
Ask them why the data is not publicly available so they can analyze it themselves.
Because the data is not available on this.
And also, these vaccines are not tested against a placebo.
They're always tested against some other vaccine, or it's a non-placebo.
So it looks like, oh, it's no worse than the comparison.
But the comparison is not a placebo, and it should be.
So, it's all extremely corrupt.
People think, oh, smallpox vaccine and polio vaccine.
They really don't take the time to go into doing the research behind each of these vaccines where they would have found out that, oh, this particular virus or disease was already going down and was Virtually eliminated by the time that they rolled out the vaccine.
And so the evidence for the vaccines being effective is actually not what people think.
And so these doctors are all trained in medical schools that vaccines are the safest interventions we have in medicine.
You don't question the vaccines.
And so doctors just simply take it for granted because that's how they're taught in medical school.
And even doctors now who are now speaking out against vaccines in general, like Dr. Paul Merrick, he said, hey, until very recently, he was just he was believing everything that he was told because he had no reason to go in and double check what he was just he was believing everything that he was told because he And now he's finding out that it's a complete sham.
So, you know, this is like, once you look under the covers here, what you find is extremely disturbing.
And the lack of data transparency Should be disturbing to every person in America.
And the fact that when you call for data transparency, it's not the physicians that are pro-vaccine that are calling for data transparency, and they should be.
It's only the people who are accused of being misinformation spreaders that are calling for data transparency.
It's crazy!
Data transparency is number one.
You know, when you're covering the data, it means you're hiding something.
And believe me, they're hiding something.
All right.
Well, we're out of time right now, but thank you so much for joining the program.
Steve Kirsch, founder of COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund and battling for your information rights to get information on this adverse effects of this COVID vaccine and other vaccines.
Thank you for all your work.
I appreciate you taking the time today, Steve.
Yep, thanks Mark.
Alright, and this has been Unleashed with Mark Morano on TNT.
We'll see you next time.
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