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June 29, 2023 - Jim Fetzer

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Need to Know News, June 28, 2023, with Carl Herman, Joe Olson and Gordon Duff

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	This is Carl Herman from Mission Viejo, California, joined today by Joe Olson in Houston, Texas, and Gordon Duff from West Michigan.
	For all the news that you need to know and update from Jim, he is home, he is resting comfortably, and Jim looks forward to co-hosting his show on this Sunday.
	Gordon Duff is one of the guys who I've admired for probably well over a decade.
	A Marine combat veteran, 35 years experience with U.S.
	agencies and a retired UN diplomat.
	So, Gordon, thanks for joining us today.
	We will screen share here.
	And jump into our first story.
	Oh, first, let me just go ahead and show Gordon's background here.
	2,000 posts almost since 2008.
	And he is a writer emeritus for Veterans Today.
	And Gordon, you want to tell a little bit about the Intel Drop because that's such an important site.
	Well, we had over a period of years, the FBI has been after veterans today.
	Johnny Punish, One of the names that one of the publishers at VT uses, a Palestinian, a good person, but very vulnerable living in the U.S.
	and not having any powerful friends.
	Veterans Today was being threatened and just as things were heating up in Ukraine, Veterans Today came under a lot of pressure from the U.S.
	and began restricting any anti-Ukraine or any pro-Russian articles.
	And it was pretty much impossible to publish anything remotely accurate about Ukraine, which is a Nazi scientist's hellhole and one of the great centers of darkness on the planet.
	You know, if it weren't for Ukraine, there'd almost be no prostitution in the world.
	Where would the girls come from?
	I'm thinking about that.
	I worked in Dubai for some time, and being on a per diem, I was in one of the cheap hotels.
	It's how that works.
	And the expensive guys, the corporate management guys, were all down at the Shangri-La, or Shangri-La is how we pronounce it.
	The entire fourth floor is a walk around Bukovar, about four acres, kind of an interesting sort of place, nice food, and about 500 Ukrainian girls walk the perimeter pretty much all night long.
	You have to pick them out and drag them up to your room, if you had a room there, which I never did, and you would do things like that, which I wouldn't do that either, but that's just me, you know, but
	You know, I've been looking at this Russian story here, they've been running the last couple of days, this is the anecdotal dumbness of Russian media, that a study somewhere has shown that of the only American president that has never held black slaves, or their forebears, never have, is Donald Trump.
	Now, Trump's grandfather, however, owned Thousands of black prostitutes, which he ran in the Yukon and then later in brothels across California.
	Trump's father may have owned as many in New York as 500 brothels, where the women there of all races were all owned as slave property.
	That's why it's called white slavery.
	And of course, the Trump property is not just Mar-a-Lago and his Bedminster and others, but there are brothels at almost every Trump property.
	The property that he's negotiating with the government of Oman to build will employ at least 500 full-time enslaved European women working as prostitutes.
	Watching cats walk by here.
	Oh, that's your place, I'm seeing.
	I've got a pile of them here myself.
	But the Russians do love that.
	You had some things you wanted to talk about, and I'm going to be the crusty old guy, which I've pretty much turned into with no patience at all.
	If you could imagine getting up every morning at 7.30 and sitting down with a crew of Icelanders on, really on Zoom, Going through, we go through about 150 news stories a day.
	We publish about 80 on the Intel Drop.
	It's a great newsletter.
	If you go into the site, I'm just telling you make sure you got an ad blocker because the Icelanders live on that payoff money they get from Google.
	So that paper is going to be peppered with, it's going to be peppered with ads.
	But And of 80 stories a day, I'm saying 10 of them you'll need to read.
	Absolutely.
	And you have to wade through it.
	And if you're too lazy to do it, to hell with you.
	You know?
	I don't care.
	I'm a one-percenter.
	I don't give a shit.
	But, yeah.
	Where do you want to take this thing here?
	All right, I'm glad you're with us, brother.
	First of all, oh, thank you for being here.
	So we'll chat about some stories, and we'll just see, we'll organically see where it goes.
	And for D to Do News, in Jim's absence, we've just been taking a look at stories that the individuals bringing the stories have found of importance.
	Well, you know, I worry about Jim.
	Although he's been taking better care of himself physically the last few years, but the stress from the Sandy Hook lawsuit has been nightmarish for him.
	And he has been a real stand-up fighter here through all of this.
	No one could ever say that Jim would ever back down.
	He doesn't back down at all.
	That's another Marine, by the way.
	Yes!
	Yeah.
	Six years at Pendleton.
	Say that again, Joe?
	Six years as a Marine Captain at Pendleton.
	He had about a dozen DIs working underneath him and 600 recruits.
	Yeah, he's a hell of a man.
	Yeah, I'm probably 15 miles just north of Camp Pendleton, and yesterday I saw an Osprey fly overhead, and I'm just wondering what's up with that?
	I have heard reports of military activity, but that's the first military-associated vehicle that I have seen.
	And it didn't crash like they usually do.
	We got a great fleet, don't we?
	Yeah, that's one of those vehicles that Gravity just fell in love with and loves to demonstrate itself on, pretty much like Marine helicopters.
	I was shot down over Vietnam three times.
	Helicopters, you know.
	Regular thing, they just break, you know.
	You had a hydraulic line, they just pop into the ground.
	And I walked off the back of one during a medevac, a CH-47, I believe it was, which is an Army four-wheeler.
	The Marines use the three-wheeler CH-46s.
	We're in a firefight with a South Vietnamese unit, not unusual.
	And they came to evacuate wounded, which if it was a Marine pilot, And they're being shot at, they never land.
	They don't have a lot of helicopters, they're afraid of being yelled at.
	So if you can't walk the 15, 20 miles back through the jungle, dragging a leg half blown off, chances are you're gonna die where you were wounded as a Marine.
	Now this was an Army pilot, and he was bouncing up and down with the tailgate open.
	I had a couple of wounded South Vietnamese that was dragging up there.
	And as I walked off the tailgate, He was already in the air.
	I'm thinking I fell maybe 30 feet or so wearing a flak jacket into heavy bushes, but it was lots of breaking branches and a big thud, you know, but I was fine, but it was I'll remember that for a long time.
	I bet.
	It's a little banged up.
	Of course.
	I was 130 pounds that you know, a little punk kid where Spent much of the time in Vietnam.
	I was with a special landing team Marines.
	We were chasing one Viet Cong unit.
	It was actually it was the Q85 platoon led by three American turncoats and the Pentagon was going to use us till the end of time chasing them all over what would be known as War fans is, was it Arizona Territory and Rumor Valley?
	Those are always pithy names for areas you're fighting in.
	This was I-Corp, Vietnam.
	But lots and lots of time not catching people.
	Not catching folks.
	You know, I should have been with the FBI.
	And they're at the house all the time, by the way.
	They sit out in the deck.
	I've got a little canopy out there.
	Deck overlooks the lake.
	It's really cool.
	And they like coming out here.
	Mostly because they can stop, talk to me for a few minutes, and then they go swimming or whatever they do, hit the restaurants.
	But I had related to One of my closest friends is Gene Khrushchev, Nikita's grandson.
	He's a medium Russian diplomat and probably more than that, you know.
	But mostly I've just known him forever and ever.
	And family's vacation together, but he's a fairly close friend.
	And the FBI just really doesn't like an American, whatever I am, Making friends with Gene.
	And Gene's primary thing, of course, is that I always pick up the check, you know, which is... Russians really don't get paid very much.
	Military, government, they get paid nothing.
	Anyway, you had some things come up here.
	I'll probably jump in and go slightly berserk as quickly as possible.
	Berserk is always good.
	Okie doke.
	So we'll look through these news stories and go at it.
	So the first one that I found of interest was of this.
	And I think this was one of the ones that I stole from Joe that he directed.
	The Need to Know News team share stories with each other.
	And I found that these questions, when they are forced to be answered, if we can get the questions answered, and in my experience, one of the most important things to do in order to get justice is to have Let me explain some of the things that you won't hear.
	I know a lot of FBI people.
	Let's see.
	The FBI and government apparatus had advanced knowledge of the scale of the J6 Mall Assembly, but yet they did anything.
	They did nothing.
	Let me explain some of the things that you won't hear.
	I know a lot of FBI people.
	I'm currently under vetting right now to take over counterintelligence for the FBI, a job I don't want, didn't ask for and wouldn't take.
	But it has allowed them full access to my.
	And we're back, just as Gordon was talking about that he is being watched, my.
	My computer froze up, kicked me out, claimed a CPU architecture error, and Gordon was just chatting with us that, you want to repeat what you said for the viewers?
	Well, I'm under evaluation by the FBI for employment with them, essentially running counterintelligence.
	It'll be on the last tape, I believe, but I did six one-hour videos for the FBI on training counterintelligence people in interrogation.
	We call it tradecraft, you know, I was I was trained by old line Stasi folks decade.
	I'm a cold war guy and they were really really good at what they did and for the most part our intelligence people are.
	Not up to par most of them and I can't say that about everybody but you know, you at a certain point in life as we get older.
	Almost everything I get invited to is a funeral of a CIA person somewhere or an army intelligence person.
	That's all you do is go to go to funerals anymore.
	And all you do is meet worn out alcoholics and wonder, you know, how did I end up in that business?
	You know, and that maybe you should have done something else.
	I went back like 50 years, I was working for Bell Labs and Michael Engineer.
	And in this case, working on design and installation of the first electronic switching systems, digital telephone stuff.
	That was all really, really new stuff in the 1960s.
	1960s, you know, that was it.
	And I love doing that.
	I kind of wish I'd stayed with that, you know, where you can come home at night and not worry about stuff and, yeah, and go somewhere and work and really not do anything other than screw around with the wiring diagrams and play with computers all day.
	I love that.
	And working, I can't even describe how so many of us have spent our lives looking for any kind of Meaning at all.
	You certainly can't fight it in the military.
	I looked at politics for a while.
	One of my good friends out here is Mark Sillegender.
	He was a three-term congressman that did a couple years in prison under a
	Under the Bush administration, even though Mark is a bit of a neocon, and certainly a Christian evangelist, you know, he was our UN ambassador under Reagan at one point, and Mark's like a really good people, but they got Mark for being involved financially with an Islamic charity
	That in Pakistan, this charity rented a space for an orphanage they ran from a known terrorist named Gulbuddin Hekmetar, who was a major political leader in Afghanistan, among the Mujahideen.
	So, at the time, they arrested Seljander.
	Former Congressman Selgender, who, by the way, was pardoned by Donald Trump, I might add, for his involvement supporting terrorism and for his alignment with Hikmetar, who he's never met.
	Hikmetar himself was living on Bagram Air Force Base as the primary political advisor to the U.S.
	command there.
	While on the terror watch list, that's the same time Dr. Afia Siddiqui, the wife of a Boston anesthesiologist, had been renditioned with her two children.
	She was held prisoner for five years in Bagram Air Force Base, where she was raped, tortured, and beaten.
	Her two children were murdered by the U.S.
	At one point, she was confined to a wheelchair, but while under interrogation, she weighed 86 pounds and she was confined to a wheelchair.
	She was brought into an interrogation room where she was held at gunpoint by two Navy SEALs who was being questioned by three FBI agents.
	And apparently she leapt out of her wheelchair, mind you, this is according to court records from a federal district court in New York, ripped the M4 carbine out of the hands of a 220-pound Navy SEAL, kicked him to the ground, karate'd the other SEAL, disabled three FBI agents,
	And, but was shot in the stomach by her translator, and she's currently doing life in prison at an American prison for her assault on these Navy SEALs.
	This is 86-pound wheelchair about Afia Siddiqui, whose children were murdered.
	Now, it's like the OJ trial thing, and a key important part of this is That Dr. Afiya Siddiqui needed a translator to talk to these Americans.
	Now her day job in the United States, of course, is that she was a professor of biological sciences at MIT.
	I was wondering during her period at MIT teaching there, I'm wondering if she ever had a chance to use English very often there.
	I've often heard that MIT will have classes in English.
	And of course, her children spoke English.
	She lived in Boston and she was an American citizen.
	And of course, everybody in Pakistan speaks English too, but she needed a translator.
	I always find these things bothersome.
	We were talking about the FBI before.
	This would have been clear for the 2016 election, but the FBI rank and file is the biggest group of Trump supporters on the planet, which It's not necessarily a good thing, supporting anybody, but the Trump thing, it requires you overlooking a lot of stuff.
	A key thing that the FBI didn't have access to, but other agencies did, was the actual history on Trump.
	Two things.
	One is that Roy Cohn, who was Trump's mentor, Kohn was a Russian agent when he was attorney for the House Un-American Activities Commission.
	He was always a Russian agent.
	Even then, that HUAC and the Red Scare were, it was in itself a, and it's very difficult.
	We're at a time now when intelligence agencies have gotten away from referring to nation-states as actors so much anymore.
	For anyone that knows, the White Helmets, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS are offshoots of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Turkish MIT, and MI6.
	And as Joe probably knows, And even MI6 is hard to understand.
	Director MI6 is somebody I know reasonably well, and we sit on Skype together, being listened to by the FBI.
	It's usually about two nights a week at the Bridgeport, because people who worked in intelligence have nobody to talk to anymore.
	you know and frankly if you worked in intelligence long enough pretty much nobody likes you and i can sort of understand that as well but uh the the term deep state crept out you know uh early on and of course everyone jumped on the deep stayed and jumped on lock issues.
	People jumped on a lot of emotional things that Instead, personal inadequacy, a need for self-importance, things like that.
	It's really easy to get lost and frighten people to follow you.
	It was always the case politically that you could build a political platform in the U.S.
	out of anti-abortion.
	Which would take you into one of the least discerning areas, highly religious Catholics, people that I would think have trouble.
	I'm an anti-religious guy, so you got to kind of let me off the hook on that one.
	Or not, I don't care.
	But if you're a dyed-in-the-wool Catholic and you're anti-abortion, and you're unaware that the Catholic Church is pretty much a scam and has been from day number one, You're an easy target.
	Now, when looking at Catholicism and one of the things that has been going on collectively with historical researchers using the internet and the fact that so many things have been digitalized, we've taken a new look at the church At Freemasonry, at the Jesuits, at the Inquisition.
	We've gone back to 1492 and Iberia and the expulsion of the Jews from Iberia.
	And we've marked off a line in time there.
	And we looked at the creation of a number of the organizations, the Jesuits and others, Dominicans as well, within the Church.
	And the establishment of the, in response to the Reformation, the Church's need to form the Inquisition and kill as many people in Europe as possible.
	Possibly as many as four or five million older women burned as witches, but others as well.
	And this is only four centuries after the Albangensian Crusade, which may well have wiped out the original Christian Church as it would have been formed by, and if we were to follow the
	The root stories behind the Da Vinci Codes, we would go into the Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Henry Lincoln, from the 1982 BBC series, and I would recommend the book and the series to anyone.
	Theoretically, Christ had survived the cross.
	He was only just tormented a bit on the cross, but taken down alive.
	The Jews say it's because He was married to Mary Magdalene, and Magdalene's sister was a wife of Herod, and that she interceded with Herod.
	I don't know that to be fact, because the sourcing on this is highly questionable, but it's an attractive story for many.
	And then the other things bouncing around here in the pseudo-religion that somehow Mary Magdalene and a Joseph of Arimathea that may or may not have ever existed,
	Traveled to Britain, built a church on the tour on what was then an island in southern Britain around Glastonbury and had established a church there and the Arthurian legends tend to stem from that.
	One of my favorite spots though is I do go down there, it's the drive on the M4, you know, it says to the west and I'll stop off at Glastonbury and after doing it I stop at Stonehenge all the time.
	I live in London part of the year and it's just a thing, but I was trained as an archaeologist and it's still my interest and what I wish I'd done.
	But the area around Glastonbury is interesting.
	It's a swamp land.
	That area, 1,500, 2,000 years ago was inland about 40 miles, was considered coastal because of the fins in that area and is only passable now through drainage. was considered coastal because of the fins in that area Of course I lived around Toledo, Ohio in the in the area that was the blank black swamp, almost a similar thing.
	But the issue being is that the Catholic Church had been co-opted and taken over by elements aligned with under the worship of Moloch and Baphomet under the Freemasons and had become a source of used for the perpetual demeanment of humanity.
	Back during the late 70s, I joined one of the UFO study groups that was being offered for people with high security clearances.
	This was in 79.
	I submitted an application.
	I thought I was joining Blue Book.
	And if you want to find the discussion of this more openly, you'll have to find my interview with on Coast to Coast with George Norrie from 2009.
	The last time I could speak openly on this before I was threatened shut up.
	So, we're not going to say some of the things about Majestic here, but Majestic does through its briefings, and this is one of the areas where I'll cross that line again.
	Theoretically, one of the Majestic members, and Majestic is men in black, supposedly, and if you were to believe that any of this is real, and that we And that X-Files and Men in Black and Close Encounters of the Third Kind are true.
	And I'll tell you, yes, they are.
	But don't believe me.
	Yes, they are.
	Absolutely true.
	Yeah, there are endless aliens picnicking on this planet, dressed up as anything.
	And they're all here.
	And yeah.
	One of the things I was briefed on, an official briefing, and I'll repeat this anyway, and the organization I remember the briefing from, this was from the Australian Economic Council, which is just, that's a secret though, but This was the 25th birthday of Nathan Rothschild.
	You can look up Nathan and see when every year this was.
	The family's compound, their favorite compound, is on the island of Corfu.
	And if you want to know how you get to Corfu, you pick up a ferry from Ingomiste in Italy or Alcona, Bari, you know, to Ingomiste, which is northern Greece.
	And you can drive to see those mountaintop monasteries, see Delphi, and then you can do the drive up into Albania and then catch the short boat aboard over to Corfu.
	A really good visit, wonderful area, nice boat trip as well.
	You know, do it as often as you can and real cheap.
	It's a day and a half on the Adriatic.
	But the Rothschild family was having a 25th Birthday for Nathan, where Nathan was going to be introduced to his non-corporeal partner in life.
	And as this was explained to me, it said that, Gordon, for hundreds of thousands of years, there have been life forms on Earth with no substance that live outside of time and space.
	I don't have enough physics education to deal with that.
	That these join with or inhabit a human being, and in doing so, they partner with certain families.
	And it wasn't mentioned, I'm adding this myself, bloodline families.
	That's not part of the official record, but it's what I believe to be true.
	And these families Where people are inhabited by non-corporeal.
	Now, while listening to the briefing, I said, sounds like demons and djinns to me.
	There was screaming when I said that.
	Gordon, you're not allowed to talk that way.
	There are no such things as demons.
	They're non-corporeal entities.
	I said, well, what do they do?
	They get inside people.
	They inhabit them.
	They protect and empower them.
	They guarantee people a favorable afterlife.
	Which sounds just like the Islamic 72 version, or you've got your own planet full of women.
	It sounded more Mormon to me.
	But they guarantee you a Mormon afterlife.
	But all you have to do is spend your entire life causing as much human suffering as possible.
	Because these entities, who you can't call demons or djinns, live on human suffering and anguish.
	And that feeds them somehow.
	It immediately came to mind, last time I saw this, it was on a Star Trek episode, you know.
	Actually, several.
	They did one in the Next Generation, and then there was another one in the original Star Trek, you know, where they had the, oh my God, I think it was F. Lee Bailey, the attorney, was on the Star Trek as a large Santa Claus figure who would say, Heading the demonic universe.
	I always look that episode up.
	I don't think you have the time.
	But the issue being here while we're while we're picking through this Ukraine war and the Russians and Ukrainians are killing each other off and as a combat vet and I'm not on the side of Ukraine and I'm not in love with Russia either but The last thing I want to see is these poor Ukrainians that are being dragged off the street at gunpoint and put in uniform, and that's where they're coming from.
	These aren't, you know, Nazi volunteers anymore.
	These are regular people, and the Russians are killing 800 to 1,000 of them a day, and we're not noticing.
	What if There is a general admission in the U.S.
	Department of Defense that KIAs among the Ukrainians is at 200,000.
	The number could be closer to 300,000.
	Now, the wounded would be, and since Russians have air supremacy, there are no
	Helicopter, medevacs, and the vehicles sent out to medevac people often is that don't make it back because today's anti-tank guided missiles, ATGMs, are capable of precluding any sort of vehicle that's going to pick up wounded.
	And the way we've become now that killing wounded is considered, you know, what are we thinking?
	So, as Americans, we're sitting here, and heaven forbid, I look at Biden's domestic policies on taxation, dealing with big pharma, environment, his human rights policies, and I find them laudable and superb.
	However, a big however, we're all facing a certain Small probability that the Russians are going to not be able to go toe-to-toe.
	They have 150 million people against 1 billion people and the massive economies of NATO.
	When that reaches a point, they will be using nuclear weapons.
	They will have no choice.
	And we publish on TID, the Russian opinion articles on this.
	For the Russian audience, we translate them and put them out there, hoping Americans will see those, and that a few of the members of Congress that are speaking out against these things, and they're all GOP, the Democrats have become far too much in lockstep.
	I think Matt Guess, who speaks fairly openly, even Margie has opened her mouth occasionally, and she's a moron.
	That putting us into this, walking us into this, when our position is so utterly and absolutely wrong.
	If you wanted a good background in this, you could just go to Lee Wanta, and Lee is still available.
	He was Reagan's intelligence chief, the guy that put together the financial scam that crushed the ruble, and helped bring about the downfall of Russia.
	And I worked on some of those programs myself.
	Including, I worked to penetrate, I worked on one program, we penetrated the Russian commercial banks.
	We used shipments of Marlboro cigarettes, which we got through the mob here in the U.S., through the Greek mob in particular.
	They were sent, this is back in the 90s, we sent them into Poland, In the Gdansk, where we had control of the port, and from there they were trucked into Konigsberg, that was the Russian border crossing handled by the KGB, and we began bribing the KGB guards, bought our way into the KGB, and then invited the heads of the Russian banks for a tour of the U.S.
	so they could learn about The things we did in banks that they didn't do.
	Like, we had a counter where people could come up and actually do business.
	Or, you know, stuff that they never had in Russia.
	And then while we were here, I headed security for that tour.
	And we burned all those Russian bankers.
	And at a certain point, we put Russia on the Swiss system.
	Then we looted their banks.
	And then we laundered all of that money.
	Stolen from the Russian banks and it was billions.
	We found a New York land developer property owner who was bankrupt and we used his facilities for laundering this cash and then that this cash was turned over to in the end A lot of it was stolen by the Bush family.
	Most of it was stolen.
	I think somebody was supposed to give me $50,000 or whatever.
	It wasn't worth taking it, you know, which was like nothing, but that was going to be my share or whatever.
	And $50,000, if you have to give it to a lawyer, doesn't last very long, you know, so you're best not taking the money and not having to get indicted on that.
	Apparently nobody did.
	But, oh, the general issue is that, and this is why this show exists and why one of the things Jim Fetzer's been working on for decades in his life, is that our policy to bring down the Soviet Union, to break up the Soviet Union,
	is a reflection of the same Bush-era policy that decided that the United States, that key powers behind the United States would initiate an attack on the World Trade Center using nuclear weapons and drop a cruise missile into the Pentagon and then invade the entire Middle East
	Try to take the Caspian Basin from Russia as well.
	Convince the over-egalitarian Russians to aid us in doing it at the same time by supporting U.S.
	efforts to build counter-terrorism bases in the former Caspian Republic, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, among them.
	And then to use those facilities To start bringing narcotics, massive amounts of narcotics, from the CIA's facilities inside Afghanistan and use those for destabilizing those parts of the former Soviet Union.
	And then, of course, I served in Iraq with the UN out of Erbil, where part of my job as a former oil banker was to price the
	Oil revenue inside Iraq and to arrange for the split between the Kurds and the Baghdad government, Talabani and Barzani clans especially, and the important Davud clan that actually ruled northern Iraq.
	I was here with Ben Davud, who is really the tribal head of northern Iraq.
	Long time friends.
	He's living in Australia now at this time, but I'd get driven around a couple days a week, taken from one building site or another where the U.S.
	had promised to build a water plant or a housing project or a school or a hospital and would always be the same.
	They would drag me out and this was never out of just wanting me around or to entertain me.
	There would be a sign Describing the project, that sign would be knocked down.
	There would sometimes be a rusted bulldozer, but mostly it would be an empty field.
	The U.S.
	never built any of the facilities that billions of dollars were allocated for.
	There's nothing there.
	They're all empty fields.
	So the issue, this is like 05.
	We were trying to theoretically to get families of the All of the difficulties where the U.S.
	had failed to back their Kurdish partners against Saddam.
	Saddam had killed many, many Kurds.
	Many of the young people had fled to Europe, Australia, New Zealand, the U.S., elsewhere.
	And they were wanted back.
	In order to do that, it required places to live, electricity, and water.
	And that's what people wanted.
	They wanted to rebuild their nation.
	And we weren't finished stealing everything yet.
	One of the critical issues is that of the oil that left the world's largest oil field, the Kirkuk oil field in Iraq, that was moved through Turkey and then into a pipeline.
	It's the Baku Sahan Pipeline.
	It's the pipeline that comes out in the Mediterranean.
	And there are four huge berths in the Mediterranean where supertankers dock.
	And this oil that comes, and it's mixed oil.
	When oil goes through a pipeline from, it's coming from Azerbaijan, they put an electronic device, it's a pig in the pipeline, saying this is where the Azerbaijani oil starts.
	And then they put one behind it where the next one comes through.
	So that's That's identifying who owns the oil in the pipeline, who pays the pipeline fees, 50 cents a gallon, and in some cases a dollar and others, depending on the agreement.
	It was like a 40% Israeli ownership of the pipeline, so they're making sure they got paid.
	But of the oil that left Iraq for years and years and filled two super tankers a week for a decade, None of it was ever paid for.
	All of those ships were Exxon and BP.
	That oil was coming to Britain, coming to the U.S.
	We were paying $4.60 a gallon for some of this stuff.
	And for Exxon, it was totally free.
	They paid nothing for it.
	And while Bremer was there, you know, it was one of our guys at Veterans Today that was The U.S.
	appointed oil minister for Iraq, and I can assure you he's living in Cameroon now, which is a non-extradition state.
	After being involved in stealing $500 billion worth of oil, he's not coming back to the U.S.
	This is one of our guys, actually a fairly good friend.
	Go ahead and ask another question.
	I've already hijacked and rambled enough.
	I'm going to jump in with a golden question here, and then I'll give it to Joe.
	So, as a professional historian, you do jump down rabbit holes, and I have, and what you had to say about the Archon of the Djinns, that's also my conclusion.
	David Icke goes into that territory.
	The late, great Jim Mars said that... Oh yeah, Jim Mars, I'm a big fan.
	Yeah, and he said it clearly, that unless you consider the E.T.
	angle, then certain questions just aren't going to make any sense.
	Now, my take on current events, and part of my optimism of having a 95% certainty that the White Hats are in control, is that these non-corporeal, these demons, have an extra-dimensional advantage over humans, and
	The story that makes the most sense to me to explain what's going on is that that extra dimensional advantage broke a Star Trek like the rule that says that you the non interference rule, and that similar power.
	Beings who can manipulate dimensions therefore intervened and what we're having what we're experiencing is an extraction of those unfair playing extra dimensional beings so that the human level of human beings would have a chance to be able to fulfill their creative design and.
	be able to flourish instead of being harnessed as, as batteries, as matrix-like batteries to these, these demonic entities, and that may also be controlled by AI.
	So I'm interested on your take on that, Gordon.
	Now, there's my personal take, and then I'm officially briefed.
	Now, officially briefed means that I can regurgitate information that someone else gave me.
	What does that mean?
	You know, so we mentioned an agency here, you know, I can pretty much tell you that I worked for a very long time for one of our agencies, and I don't think anything they ever told me was true.
	Ever.
	But they were pretty open about lying to me, and I was Glad enough to pass that privilege back to them as well.
	The general belief here, and I would do briefing documents for the Senate, as David Delbert had as well, things that we'd regularly do, and anybody who knows me can just see me doing this.
	I invented one spy ring out of Cuba that didn't exist.
	To just justify a lot of other things we were doing, provide cover for running drugs and whatever, but as a massive threat to Florida.
	And the thing we would sit down and just fabricate all of this, but then we would make up outlandish stories, include them as anecdotal proofs, just to see how stupid people in Congress were.
	And we never reached a level where they began to catch on.
	And it was all made up.
	I was working Central America, the Contras.
	One of the things here, I can toss a couple of things into the mix.
	Joe will know what I'm talking about here.
	One of the things I was assigned to do, we had a couple of rogue CIA agents who had gone to Libya.
	Wilson and, you know, and that.
	So, I was tasked with finding them and returning.
	That was my job.
	Okay.
	And I can tell you why I was chosen.
	One, because I was utterly unqualified.
	That was the primary reason.
	But, and that's in a world where You know, you could just make a passport at home.
	I mean, it was easy to do.
	All communication was telex, which is bizarre.
	I would have sat on a telex with Gaddafi a few times, but the key to understanding that area is the understanding of Gladio, that the U.S.
	had decided to partner with A Freemasonic group, and this is understanding the Freemasons and that the Freemasons at the heart of the Deep State or the RKM, which is the Rothschild-Gazerian Mafia, that's the term that intelligence agencies use.
	If you were sitting down with MI6 and MI5 talking about terror threats to Britain, for instance, They would be using RKM, which shows up occasionally in a few sites, VT and others, and that means Rothschild-Khazarian Mafia.
	The issue about what's a Khazarian, and I'm going to kill this quickly because, you know, everybody here knows this, but Khazaria was an area of Central Asia populated by a group of Turkish Europeans, essentially.
	If you look at the 7th, 8th century and what would be Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and that region of the steppes, or at the end of the Don and Volga, as it were, This is an area where prior to the barbarian invasions, the Mongols, the Huns, it's where most of the people we know of as the Vikings, the Danes, came from.
	The folks that look like me, basically, because this was always that color here.
	But it's also, it was a centralized Turkish peoples came from as well, and of these, the peoples in this region, the most powerful kingdom was the kingdom of Khazaria.
	The capital of Khazaria was Baku, which is on the Caspian Sea, which is the capital of Azerbaijan.
	Theoretically, the Khazarians sat right over the Silk Road And they were known to be warlike and ungodly dishonest, but you know, can you believe that?
	Not necessarily.
	I don't know of really anything wrong with them, but they did tend to replace people in these Silk Road caravans.
	They would come in in the middle of the night.
	I'm passing on stories here that I can't swear are true, but it's a good story, so we'll pretend it's true.
	They would kill the people who own things, take their clothing, their ID, and finish their deliveries, seizing all of their assets.
	They became such a problem that trade between China and Europe almost came to a standstill and were forced, according to Popular stories, which you'll find in Wikipedia, by the way.
	They were forced to take on a religion, and they became, they decided of the religion, they could be Muslim, they could be Christian, or Jewish.
	They decided to become Jewish.
	Part of the rationale of this is, if you were to go into Israel today, and do the genetic test, you know, spit on the paper and mail it in, to find out Where you came from, especially if you're a Jew, you'll find that you were, you're not Semitic Middle Eastern, you're a Khazarian, which is Turkish European, which could really be any of us.
	But then again, when you look at Jewish people, they, you know, like my mother, for instance, they did look like blue eyes and blonde hair, you know, did look like any of us.
	It's because They're fake Jews.
	If you look on the West Bank at the 600,000 West Bank Jews that all came from Russia that are settled there and being protected against God only knows what by plowing down homes of Palestinians and emptying their vineyards and olive groves and whatever.
	You'll find that of the Jews in the U.S.
	or Europe or whatever, that 95%, 95% is about the right number, have no Jewish blood.
	They're all Eastern Europeans.
	They look like Eastern Europeans.
	They are Eastern Europeans.
	Is that anything wrong?
	No.
	Can they be Jews?
	Yeah.
	Can they live in Israel?
	I guess, whatever Israel is, and then we have to decide What do you do when you move 7 million people into a country that already has 7 million people in it, and then the 7 million people, you take their rights away, put them essentially in concentration camps, spend 70 years treating them like animals, and because you control Hollywood and the newspapers in the West and whatever, you can call them Palestinian terrorists while you murder their children.
	But, you know, we leave that stuff alone, you know.
	What we can say about Joe Biden is that Benjamin Netanyahu is not allowed in the United States anymore, and that Donald Trump spent four years kissing Mr. Netanyahu's hiney, as it were, his tushy, I guess, if I want to be closer to the end of that.
	And, you know, when I look at RFK Jr.
	and his Believe that the Palestinian people are animals and that Israelis should be able to murder them at will.
	Although I think he's got some really attractive looking muscles there for an old guy.
	And I love his efforts at doing that.
	And I'll also tell you that he doesn't know enough about life science to make his own peanut butter.
	But other than that, I think we need to hold him and anyone to bear.
	Anyone.
	Anyone who will not stand, we have this one really obvious thing in this world and justice-wise, that Israel is a hellishly evil fucking country.
	Excuse my language there.
	And that they need to be held to account.
	And we're not saying the Palestinians are perfect, but we're saying that the Palestinians are all of the original Jews.
	And if we want to look out for the Jewish people or the chosen people, they're Palestinians.
	Nobody left Israel to become an Ashkenazi Jew.
	There's no such thing.
	The Ashkenazis is what I like to call them.
	There is no time during the second century A.D.
	when you could get on a streetcar in Tel Aviv and run yourself up the Rhone Valley, go in and live among the barbarian Visigoths and open taxi stands and delicatessens in barbarian Germany, which is the basic claim of the Ashkenazi.
	And of course, there's no proof that they ever existed, if you go in the false area of Germany, where They supposedly had settled after leaving Israel.
	They never existed.
	There is no such thing that most Jews are Kazarians.
	And frankly, they could be proud of being Kazarians.
	There's nothing wrong with it.
	None of us are anybody of who we think we are, and it doesn't matter.
	And this is the alien thing, kind of.
	We need to probably go back to this.
	On June 16th in Bad Axe, Michigan.
	Yes, there's a place called Bad Axe, Michigan.
	This is a map of Michigan.
	It's a state that looks like a hat.
	Bad Axe is right there, sitting at the tip of the thumb.
	Well, two F-16s from the Toledo Air National Guard down in Ohio Had a radar sighting of what they visually found to be a silver disc flying over Bad Axe two weeks ago, and were buzzing it with their F-16s.
	Well, this thing turned on them, and this'll be in the local news there.
	It's not on anything weird on the internet.
	Turned at them.
	These F-16s started hitting their flares.
	Thinking they might be hit with an alien heat-seeking missile and took off.
	Well, what they did track is they tracked this flying saucer, heaven forbid, as it went over Lake Huron and then went under the lake and into the lake.
	Now, I give you a story here.
	This is a personal story.
	Similar story.
	About 70 miles away, 80 miles away, as the crow flies from Bad Axe, over here onto the coast of Michigan, is the town of Oscoda.
	In 1973, Oscoda was known for being the home of Wurtsmith Air Force Base, UFO central to, you know, the Flying Saucer Gang.
	This was the second Saturday of October in 1973.
	It was around seven o'clock at night.
	I was there with wife, visiting friends on the SAC base.
	We're on the flight line with the B-52s.
	I carry a Defense Department ID, so I was in getting the look around.
	I was trying to talk myself into a B-52 ride, which I've never been able to do in my entire life.
	Still what?
	You want to fly me around in a B-52?
	Bag's packed, I'm ready to go.
	We're sitting out over, and this is a runway lined with B-52s.
	There's a mile of them.
	It's where Coletta Air keeps all of their C-47s now, where they used to move drugs for the CIA.
	But we're looking out, and there are low clouds.
	It's dusk.
	And over the west, the clouds start glowing red and orange.
	Dipping through the clouds was a flying oval, orange at the front, green at the back, orange plumes coming out of the front, big green plume out the back, doing about Mach 1.5 at about 1,500 feet.
	Quite quiet, east to west, not coming down.
	And as it would go through the clouds, clouds were breaking, the clouds would just flash all the way to the horizon with color.
	Pretty cool.
	As I got to Wurtsmith, it came down over the runway, over the hangars at about, I'm thinking 600-700 feet, while I was standing there.
	Now, this thing's about, the length is about 300 feet.
	It's doing about Mach 1-6.
	It's the size, well, the guy next to me was vomiting.
	And as he came back, I've said, goddamn Russians, they're shooting submarines at us!
	But, went into Lake Huron, or I'm assuming it did, because that's all that's down there.
	Once you get across there, then it's Highway 23 along the coast, a public beach, a couple of cabins, and then it's the lake.
	Went into the lake.
	Uh, now that was reported, uh, nationally.
	It's since been erased from the news and then rewritten as a UFO story, but turned in 1975, and supposedly they got out, the UFO landed, they got out, ran around, didn't see anybody running around, didn't see any steering, just this thing had been tracked as it flew over the state of Washington, across the entire U.S., and I was told that it was a weather balloon.
	Now, I immediately wanted to invest in the Dupont Mylar, all I could get.
	Anything you could fly at 1,500 miles an hour on fire for 2,000 miles at Mach 1.5 and have it stay together, you want to be riding a Netsucker.
	Quality.
	Build quality.
	Good build quality on that.
	Everything we're dealing with here is going to involve all of this.
	You want to see where it goes?
	It's all about aliens, and we're getting more and more and more of this as it goes on.
	According to Majestic, we deal with at least 12 alien civilizations by their standards, by the documents which I've read, even at my end, even with clearances and redactions.
	In 1953, President Eisenhower surrendered, essentially.
	I'm using that term myself.
	I didn't say surrender.
	I'm saying it.
	To one of three alien civilizations that, by that time, had taken a clear interest and was communicating with governments on Earth.
	I can only say what the U.S.
	government said, and this is on the original Majestic document, which was dated August 23, 1977, from Naval Intelligence.
	Describe that we had submitted some of our sovereignty to these individuals and agreed to allow them the rights to gather excess Americans up to 30,000 a year and remove them.
	And as I read this, sitting at my desk at a government facility with a Marine Guard outside of the setting of my desk when I came, it took 18 months after applying.
	To receive this first briefing document.
	And this is, remember this all my life?
	Vanilla envelope with the holes in it.
	Signatures and X-outs.
	The string on the front.
	Nine pages inside.
	Onion skin.
	It was done on a typewriter.
	It had ribbon marks.
	And I had a copy.
	And lots of redactions.
	Described Close Encounters of the Third Kind said in 1965 that we sent personnel on an alien mission climbing onto his flying saucer like in the movie.
	But as you moved on decades later, the number of civilizations went from three to twelve.
	Briefings began to take on Direct political negotiation of rights over certain areas on Earth, and particularly in Africa.
	There was an individual alien civilization of people who looked Chinese, and there are alien civilizations where people are absolutely Nordic, and there are alien civilizations where people are reptiles.
	And if you want to see them, you have to go through some kind of medical treatment because being around them is toxic.
	I was offered that and it was six weeks of treatment and yes, I guess if I thought about it now, you know, I was young enough then that we thought we had a chance of maybe doing something with life.
	But And then the story is about how a Valerian cruiser just saved us from a massive asteroid or whatever.
	Lots of stories like this and you begin not believing them.
	These are official briefings.
	But things that we can note is that maybe 10, 12, 13 years ago, I believe we had a strange missile launch just In Los Angeles.
	It was Long Beach.
	About five kilometers out, a Chinese submarine launched a missile.
	I will say it's a test.
	It was identified as a Chinese missile because the plume had the yellow and brown from the fuel mixtures they were using.
	I've got people around that do that stuff.
	The issue is how did a Chinese submarine get five kilometers off Long Beach?
	Not a possibility.
	We have a source that's around the U.S.
	Submarines cannot approach our coast.
	And the issue supposedly is that this alien civilization beamed that submarine there where that missile was launched.
	And the information about that was sent to the leaders of 12 countries in sealed briefcases where
	These briefcases were delivered and it said, in such and such a day, submarine and missile will happen as a demonstration that the Chinese were going to be choosing an alien partnership that was going to allow them to use advanced technologies not available to us and that somehow that they were morally superior to the rest of us and that they were choosing a path of civilization and enlightenment free of the West.
	That's from a real UFO majestic briefing.
	Is any word of it true?
	Not a clue.
	This is certainly the most need-to-know program we've ever had.
	I was threatened.
	They didn't shoot me last time I said this, so they wouldn't this time.
	Is this true?
	Possibly.
	One of the key things, and this is what I've been thinking about, Joe, to an extent here.
	Always behind everything is that if we, humanity, develops under alien tutelage to a point where We are showing signs of enlightenment, and that kind of enlightenment would be, you know, you'd spent the winter in Nepal and snow up to your whatever, you know, communing with another world.
	But that we will have The gifts that are withheld from us will no longer be withheld when we reach a period of enlightenment.
	Now, the issue being is that what was described to me as enlightenment, it was very obvious to me that the corporeals, as they were described to me, are preventing that.
	Moreover, what you're seeing going on in the United States, this obsession With childish, blaming, finger-pointing, and stupidity that rules this country.
	I mean, we are the laughingstock of the world.
	You talk about the Russians, and it's funny.
	I live in an area that's entirely Republican.
	I'm in Ottawa County, Michigan, 325,000.
	We don't even have, we seldom run Democratic candidates, although I will tell you, Donald Trump managed to get us a Democratic member of Congress.
	They've never had one before, they had no idea, but that happened.
	For the first time, in Betsy DeVos's, I mean, I could almost hit her house with a golf ball from here.
	But the issue of what is human enlightenment and first of all, I look at myself and I find I'm a disappointment to myself.
	Could I have been a better person?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do I love seeing other people fail?
	Do I love pointing my finger at people who look different?
	Yeah.
	Do I have to stop myself all the time doing this?
	Do I have natural tendencies to be a total asshole?
	Yeah.
	There are people who do a lot better at this than I do.
	But when I look at the Republican Party And people like Ted Cruz or Hawley, for instance, which I find despicable, and others.
	And I don't need to judge everybody.
	I shouldn't be in a position to do that.
	I'm hardly above criticism.
	But what are we supposed to do?
	What is our job as people?
	What would make us enlightened?
	What would make If aliens oversaw things, and I believe they do, and they're waiting for a time to bring on some other, because we know technologies are out there.
	If we could do a decent hydrogen cell, for instance, everything would change.
	The world economy would change.
	There is no reason we have to live on a planet with the technology we have, knowing what we have, and with people Who are as advanced as some people are on this earth, and is it fewer every year?
	Maybe.
	We don't have to live like the vicious, hateful animals we do.
	Now, theoretically, aliens, I have been told, are judging us for this and withholding protections that we desperately need, allowing diseases to ravage us, allowing A life you spend in fear and hatred isn't a life at all.
	It's nothing at all.
	And what is our job as people?
	Do we have a job?
	Is there a role of humanity?
	Are we supposed to be caretakers for this planet?
	Are we supposed to be caretakers for each other?
	Should we be killing, raising, and eating animals?
	Now, they certainly kill and eat each other.
	But are we the same?
	Are we an animal?
	Do we have a, so when people tell me that dogs and cats don't have souls, I mean, I automatically go, they're far nicer than us.
	I've got a house full of dogs and cats.
	I wish my kids were that good, but we have to begin asking who we want to be as people.
	What is our job?
	Now, one of my, and it's a non-talent since I didn't do anything to deserve this, I have periodic bouts of remote viewing, where I can see things that go on elsewhere.
	I have very little control over it, but there were lessons in this.
	And what I'm finding is I, you know, running through my 70s here, Fetzer and I are around the same age.
	What you learn from what I call remote viewing, which is not remote viewing at all, not how I see it anymore, is that there are universal truths.
	That there is an entity behind things with absolute knowledge of everything that we see, do, and think, and everyone sees and thinks, knows everything.
	And that when you connect to that, You can feel that.
	All knowledge is there, including what you ate for breakfast yesterday, the benign and other.
	Now, one of the things I had a communication from, I'll call remote viewing, is 1970.
	I just returned from Vietnam.
	I was back at MSU as a grad student and I was dating a young lady there.
	I parked my motorcycle, I was walking up on her porch and all of a sudden the world disappeared.
	A big oval appeared in front of me and I saw a hand raising my mailbox and putting a letter in.
	The letter stated, and I knew instantly that Carl Foster, who was my communications chief with First Battalion, Fifth Marines had been killed in a motorcycle accident while coming out to see me and the letter was from his sister and it had a letter from her and a clipping from the paper.
	And I knew all of this before I went home and read the letter.
	I knew it all.
	It was there.
	No doubt.
	I knew it better than I know my own name.
	It's the only thing I knew to be true in the world.
	And so that's That's 53 years ago, that incident alone.
	Now, what should I have learned about if I paid any attention?
	If I paid attention, I would know that's a personal message, just to me.
	And it was given to me for a reason of some point.
	It was a demonstration and personal message.
	So, I was taking it as some magic power I had.
	I don't have any magic powers.
	I've had 50 years since to see how few magic powers I've got.
	Not so many.
	You know, I can barely climb a flight of stairs sometimes, particularly after a bit of a motorcycle incident about a year ago.
	So, I'm healed now, but it's been a bad year of being severely injured.
	Or was this a universal consciousness with universal knowledge of everything and with intent telling me something?
	As the me 54 years older or 53 years older looks at that time, I'm thinking that the message I probably should have gotten is that I probably should have thought that was God talking to me.
	I probably could have listened better.
	And what was the actual message?
	The message was that somebody knows I'm out there, someone cares, and that someone has intent.
	Now, is that God?
	Is there a universal power of some kind?
	Yeah, I would say that it has to be absolute proof that something like that exists.
	But I wasn't capable mentally of grasping what it was, the extent of what I was being told, and that the message beyond that, if there's knowledge without physicality, without brain, then there's life after death as well.
	And all of these things that Thousands and thousands of years of people that I've read and not paid attention to that I maybe needed to pay attention to more stuff.
	Because I wasn't.
	I needed to listen more.
	So, it's changed some of my attitudes about religion.
	And that's a two-edged sword.
	If there's a god of some kind That has universal knowledge, all power, and an interest in all people, then what's expected of us?
	And what I've taken from this, and this is that we're here to serve, somehow.
	Serve who?
	Serve what?
	What's the kind of task we should have?
	And, you know, are we doing it here, informing people of You know, whatever we know and our self-imposed, self-regulated brilliance that, you know, is it brilliance at all?
	So, we're on Zoom here, and I've got Joe.
	Looks like he's out walking around.
	You can see this.
	I got out of my study room, kids.
	Are you walking or what?
	Yeah, I only had my study room booked for two hours.
	Oh, okay.
	Personally, I'm at a community college because I have real bad cell signal at my house.
	Tell you what, at this point we've been on for an hour and a half.
	Gordon, you're, as I communicated earlier, you're a national treasure and I think that we should wrap this up for our audience with just any final thoughts.
	Joe, why don't you jump in and anything that you want to say and communicate because we should wrap this up for our audience to have an expected reasonable time length of the discussion as great as it is.
	Yeah, I think the purpose is to find and share truth, and I've been trying to do that my whole entire adult life.
	I've been red-pilled my whole entire adult life.
	Ended up in the 1980s, I did a rail proposal for the city of Houston.
	I ended up exposing a $200 million illegal bid rigging scheme by the Disney Corporation and Metro, ended up meeting hundreds of politicians, found out 99% of them were crooks, ended up in a divorce court.
	One day I'm walking into divorce court.
	There's a guy selling a book on the card table out front.
	His name's Pete Bruton.
	He was an investigative reporter with the Houston Post, and he had been working for a year and a half on the $600 billion S&L crisis, and then he got fired and the Post got bought by Hearst Corporation and shut down.
	And so I picked up a copy of this book.
	I'm on a starvation diet of $30 a month for food, and a book was $25.
	And it was like, man, I can't afford this book, but let me see if you've done your homework.
	I opened the bibliography, 400 pages long, looked at the bibliography, It was like, Jesus Christ, I know 50 of these projects as a junior engineer, and a dozen of the people that were involved in here.
	That's over $500 million of SNL ripoff, and the title of the book was The Mafia, the CIA, and George Bush.
	I said, everything in this has got to be true.
	So after that, I kind of laid low.
	I ended up going to Europe eight times and sailed the Nile.
	I tried to build a nice life for myself after divorce, and then 9-1-1 happened.
	I'm a trained structural engineer, been registered in Texas now for over four years.
	I knew that it was controlled demolition the moment it happened, but I didn't know exactly how they did it.
	And so, ended up in May of 2009, I went to InfoWars DVD premiere for Architects and Engineers for 9-1-1 Truth, four hour long conference.
	I got there an hour early.
	Met Richard Gage and Alex Jones, and I realized it was controlled demolition, but they couldn't have done it with thermite.
	So I kept doing more and more study, and finally in May of 2014, Veterans Today started running articles on nuclear education.
	And by the time they'd run about two dozen articles, which is about a year later, I said, okay, now as an engineer, I'm confident enough to make a public statement about what Oh hey we'll take it we'll take a second here while we go into our mail here and I pick up I I do tend to save stuff sometimes let's go down back into oh god can I even Get back into 2004.
	The date was, and this was from Jeff Smith at the International Atomic Energy Agency, an email, and I've still got it sitting here.
	Oh, I'll go into, yeah, this is it.
	Because he changed his email address.
	Here we go.
	Back, back, back.
	I have 205 emails carrying documents that arrived.
	That many in 2015 were winding back, and I still have all of those documents.
	One of the editors at Veterans Today, a guy named James Fetzer, and I said, James, I'm ready to talk about what happened on 9-1-1.
	So we did an interview on March 16, 2015, and then we ended up doing about a dozen more YouTube videos, all of which were taken down.
	And then I was contacted by Robert David Steele to write a memo to the president, and I did that in 2018.
	And then 2019, I was getting ready to be on coast-to-coast again, and I thought, well, maybe they want to talk about 9-1-1.
	So I wrote an article called Unequivocal 9-1-1 Nukes.
	Send it to Gordon.
	I posted it at Veterans Today, and then one of my friends contacted me and said, you need to read the Palmer Report.
	So I pulled up the Palmer Report.
	I went, holy shit!
	I said, I'll send it to Gordon.
	I said, Gordon, I need to talk to you on the phone.
	And that's the only time prior to today we've ever had a constant audio.
	Let me read it.
	Hey, Joe, I've got one of the original emails from Jeff here.
	Sitting in front of me.
	It says, Gordon, according to retired FBI agents specializing in Israeli counterintelligence that I recently spoke to, the type of nuclear devices used in 9-11 were a modified version of the W-54.
	This is from a Department of Energy particle physicist.
	Right.
	Yeah, Jeff's the real deal here.
	Modified W54 nuclear artillery shells that were covertly provided to the Israelis between 1988 and 98 from the US surplus stockpiles, Bush-Clinton era.
	Chemical analysis done by the DOA, DOE, and Sandia.
	Was able to identify the chemical radiation footprint or fingerprint of the warheads based on samples taken after 9-11 of the fallout on Ground Zero.
	All plutonium-based warheads have a chemical fingerprint that can identify the type of design and where the PU was made and how old it is.
	This was the 9-11 blackmail on Bush 1 and 2, the illegal transfer of surplus U.S.
	nuclear weapons to the Israelis, and why the continued cover-up, along with stolen gold and stock fraud that was going on in Wall Street at the time.
	According to file ENW57.PDF on page 56, only a 2 kiloton device was needed to drop the buildings.
	A 2 kiloton device will produce a firewall of approximately 150 to 200 feet in diameter at over 4,000 degrees centigrade.
	This is large enough to melt the I-beams at the central core of the building and drop them in place.
	The light flash would last less than one second and would primarily be in the UV light range.
	Overpressure would only be at 60 psi max and directed upward with a blast.
	See the underground effect.
	Fallout would be minimal and located to within ground zero range only.
	Radiation would drop to acceptable levels in 72 hours after the blast.
	I can keep reading this.
	I've got six pages on that one, and I have 200 of them.
	Yeah, the W64 was the Davy Crockett bazooka shell that were at Pantex that were stolen.
	I've read the 80 articles.
	And you understand, they were oblong, and because of that, they're much larger.
	It's a much larger pit, and it yields far more plutonium.
	Some of the issue, you've got The Davy Crockett, now the Davy Crockett specifically, however, was U-235.
	was U-235.
	Okay, but it...
	Or was the detonation...
	And the W-54 artillery had a plutonium pit.
	Okay, all right.
	Anyhow, yeah.
	And so after we published that, or he published it, it's breathtaking, solving nuclear 9-1-1 with a 60 nuclear education bibliography afterwards.
	And I read through the whole thing, the Palmer Report, 90 minute, three 90 minute videos, 45 PowerPoint slides.
	I said, these guys are physicists but they don't understand construction number one number two i don't think they understand the isotope absorption of gamma rays that would hide the nuclear signature of this so i went through the building materials and uh the various isotopes available for the iron carbon silicon and calcium that were in the basic components of the building and you have over 100 isotopes which is what kept the building 2500 degrees hot until the exit so absolutely oh yeah
	yeah i've got a i've got a i've got a photograph and i've put it on vt more than a few times of jeff at ground zero carrying his geiger counter and wearing a helmet that says con ed and He was there as a utility worker.
	I can finish this paragraph.
	You'll like this.
	Belted steel and the iron oxide, or nanothermite, is a byproduct of the very high gamma ray neutron flux induced into the central core.
	The radiation dissolves the steel into iron oxide, consuming the carbon and silicon in the steel.
	This explains the missing steel columns and the very important clue of vaporized 20-ton antennae atop the South Tower.
	The upper blast of radiation literally vaporized it.
	Video evidence proves this to be true.
	And then I've got their original drawings on a zip file here, and the documents that went with it, which were later put in VT.
	I'm going to actually send a copy of this one to you.
	I wrote this article at Veterans Today, exposing the NIST-JINGA game, which explains the isotope absorption and some of the things that the physicists didn't understand.
	The article that led off on all this at VT was Unequivocal 9-1-1 nukes.
	This was published on July 30, 2019.
	And then the one that the Palmer Report.
	This is the Palmer Report.
	It was posted at Veterans Day.
	It's breathtaking solving nuclear 9-1-1, the Palmer Report.
	This shows the 110-story tall buildings being level with the ground.
	And then, like I said, they had 45 PowerPoint slides.
	This is just one of them.
	Oh, you understand.
	I was involved in that as well.
	And this was fun.
	You had a group of German and French physicists working with Jeff Prager.
	Right.
	And Jeff had done some fairly – now, one of the key things in dealing with the DOE, by this time, I started talking to Jeff.
	Now, the original email came on the 4th, 2014, and it said, we sent this information to, what's his name?
	Wayne whatever.
	I've got to remember his last name now.
	He's been gone for a few years anyway.
	A guy who was at Infowars and then they sent it to CNN and it wasn't handled.
	And then said, well, we've decided to send it to you because you're a true blue marine and you'll publish it.
	Yeah, mostly because I just don't give a shit sometimes, you know, so we'll do this.
	While we were going over this, we started doing conference calls with the DOE.
	Jeff was putting them on at the University of California at Los Alamos, and this was the team that they had on 9-11, which is also their bomb design team.
	Now, gosh, this is so many years of Of one of the original structural people, the nanothermite people, one of the original guys who pushed the nanothermite issue was on the same team as the DOE, and he was listed as a structural engineer, but his job at the DOE was designing nuclear triggers.
	He was on the women's team, and I'm trying to think of the guy's name.
	I've forgotten so many of these early players.
	Yeah, we're running over our time limit now.
	And we're going to do another program probably in the next two weeks on this.
	Well, you need to be able to get all this stuff out.
	And I hold some of the background because I got to talk to all these guys.
	I know.
	That's why we need to talk to you.
	I attended the Austin TruthFest on the 15th anniversary, September 11, 2016.
	Keynote speakers, Christopher Bolin, solving 9-1-1 on all of the Jewish monetary connections involved.
	An absolutely fabulous book, great speaker.
	I don't want to speak evil of people, but not everybody is who they seem to be.
	Oh, I know, I know, I know.
	We get off the video, so I will tell you specifically who he works for.
	Okay, but then also one of the other speakers was Jim Maher, who we mentioned earlier, who's an absolute legend, so I was delighted to be able to meet him in person.
	Here's a problem I had with Boland either way, is when real information came in, Now, and what I got was the 2003 report by the U.S.
	Department of Energy on the nuclear attack on the United States on 9-11.
	That's the real 9-11 report.
	And I have all of the supporting documentation with it, which you've gone through.
	All of the things you read were attachments on the 2003 DOE report.
	All of those documents on blasts, on radiation, the medical issues, and so many of them were things that were declassified.
	Jeff had declassified authority.
	The only reason we got those is because Jeff, and the things you read, Jeff declassified them for us.
	The point being that Bolin, Gage, and others, when we came up finally with the information they wanted, it interfered with their game.
	The truth didn't fit into their game anymore.
	Right.
	The point is being is that architects and engineers was always almost side front.
	It was always that from step number one.
	The DOE guys did it.
	Who, the only real player out there, and it wasn't me either, early on, was Dmitri Kolozov.
	But he said it was a 150 kiloton bomb, which is ridiculous.
	So, yeah.
	But, guaranteed... He was told this.
	He was told that a 150 kiloton bomb was built into the sub-basement of the buildings when they were constructed to help them come down.
	And that was simply a childish cover story he was given as he worked at the Russian 12th Nuclear Directorate.
	He was a nuclear investigator for the Soviet Union.
	But all of this information, and if he would drop that, then that would help end all of this nightmare that we've been having to live with for the last 22 years.
	I see with Kalazov.
	Oh God, what's his name?
	Bout.
	Victor Bout.
	They were in Bangkok together.
	Now, the FBI had just picked up Victor Bout.
	Now, my buddy Gene was Russia's first secretary at their embassy there in Bangkok.
	So I sent the Russian First Secretary over to pick up Kaluzov, who was having trouble anyway.
	I'd get him a few meals, take him around, and tell him he's forgiven by the Russians, because he thought he couldn't return to Russia.
	And they got to be fairly good friends.
	I was hoping I could get more material from this.
	Gene, as a serving diplomat, could not be involved in this directly.
	But a key issue early on when talking to the guys at Los Alamos at the U.S., at the DOE, the current investigators at that time with the DOE, who were very angry because their reports had been quashed and all these lies about 9-11, they were silenced and angry.
	I sent them Kalazov's book.
	They read it overnight, got back to me in the morning, and I was on a conference call with Jeff and the weapons design team from the DOE in Los Alamos, and they went over everything in Kalazov's book.
	And this is what you and I have gone over several times about the Freon tanks.
	You're saying they were very, very small.
	They were saying they were larger.
	But, and frankly, you know, your capabilities as a structural engineer are way beyond my own.
	So this is why, and you and I had this discussion, I'm thinking it started six, seven years ago, but their claim is that ionizing radiation, hitting the freon, turning that to deuterium, was part of what was necessary to dissolve the towers.
	They said it was part of it because on their computation at two kilotons, they had a lot of holes in this that would have required other explosives to be used higher up in the building.
	And so what they had done, and you've seen these pictures, They built bomb mock-ups, nuclear weapon mock-ups, out of different types of fire extinguishers.
	Small ones, and then larger ones.
	They knew that these weapons had been used in Building 7, but they were wondering if they were used to take the upper floors down on Buildings 1 and 2.
	After reading Kalasov's book, they were saying, they were willing to say that the sub-basement, and these were in, according to the DOE, the weapons were brought in to, flown in initially from where they were configured in Mali, and an iron mine owned by de Klerk and Netanyahu in the Polisserian area.
	They were taken to the Canary Islands
	And then were brought over there, possibly on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, possibly, but take it for sure to the Peterborough Airport, put in vans, brought over from New Jersey, and kept overnight at the Israeli Consulate in New York, and then deployed, and they knew the parking places the vans were in, because they had video.
	And so they were glad to jump on this issue of Freon and Deuterium.
	where these vans were parked in the sub basements that took down the twin pound twin towers but nukes and vans and so they were glad to jump on this issue of freon and deuterium now
	other things that went on that we had in that in those articles of course were the explosion and arrests made on the george washington bridge and those were carried on cnn and cbs and we still have the videos of the arrests.
	And the Holland.
	And the Lincoln and Holland tunnels.
	And see, at the time, I used to work, whenever the General Assembly was in session, they used to call in, just drop my, it's sitting on a little red cooler here, by the way, but I used to get called into New York so I could follow Cubans or whatever around New York when they were in for the for General Assembly.
	Everybody that was brought in security-wise.
	So I'd have a nine millimeter pistol and a couple of tennis shoes and a hooded sweatshirt and be, you know, peeping in and out, you know, all night right along in bordellos or whatever in New York.
	That was it.
	Yeah, what kind of government employment is that, you know?
	But this, the issue there is that then they were deployed, but the deployment would involve these teams of art students that were in Fort Lee, New Jersey, at their base camp in that house on High Hardin Road, and with Mohammed Adda,
	And we have the specific apartment he was in over a mailbox thing, which is right by the George Washington Bridge, right by where the FBI surveillance crew was with what was Special Agent Mike Dick.
	And Jim was with these guys in Fort Lee at the time.
	Yeah, we need to close this off but we also need to get, you know, you need to be able to get all of this out with me somehow so we can get all this on the record because you're holding a lot of stuff that brings back context that frankly, you know, it's been almost a decade that we've had this information and all of the hard proofs and for a decade all of the 9-11 people and all of these activists when given
	Perfect proofs.
	Solved.
	For that information, we do need to wrap it up.
	I have a hard stop coming up.
	Thank you so much.
	And that information, you get it out.
	Jim will have an opportunity to put it on his side.
	I'll be able to publish it.
	It's been published for a decade and it's been read by 10 million people and it's still denied.
	Another round isn't going to hurt.
	Yeah, well, hey, he knows where all of it is.
	You know, we've collated, we've got 60 articles, and the documents in these articles were the attachments to the report that was given to Congress, the Supreme Court, and the White House in 2003, reporting the use of nuclear weapons to bring down the Twin Towers.
	And I went through, one of the things is, I went through with the DOEMS a specific list of how many Americans were briefed, and it was 1,500 Americans were given the same documents.
	Of course, I printed all of them.
	Another 10 million read them.
	But what does it matter what we, the Americans, believe when CNN keeps living in fairyland, and Fox lives in a worse fairyland, and we have a government that God only knows.
	But I try to avoid feeling frustrated.
	And that might be one of the principal lessons.
	You talked about, just in closing, the last thing that I want to say, or in acknowledgment for both of you for your lifetimes of work, you really are national treasures.
	And with what Gordon was talking about and what Joe has hinted at today and on previous shows, there is, in my experience, a perfect accounting.
	And it is kind of a solitary game.
	And it may be that whatever it is that we construct is going to be amplified out in some perfect fairness.
	But once you do, as Gordon talked about, have an experience that everything that you're doing is known and there is something of empathy nudging us, not too strongly, but apparently nudging us forward.
	Once you have a little chat with yourself, for me, it became clear that the only path that I was interested in was to be able to Interpret and experience and express the highest path of virtue that I could, and I do want to acknowledge you gentlemen for that.
	I frame it as intellectual integrity and moral courage, and I was blessed enough to have a serendipitous connection to Buckminster Fuller.
	With whom I learned much and our audience as well.
	I want to encourage you with what Gordon and Joe have been talking about just to stick to the truth and just to stand there and all of the noise all of the nonsense.
	You do, eventually, as Gordon was poetically and artistically expressing, you do put it behind you.
	It's just not worth engaging with very much at all, except to make fun of in your own particular way.
	We may have to have a talk on moral re-armament at some point.
	Well, I'd love to have this conversation again another round.
	Just, okay, we do need to go.
	Eddie, last, last words, but like... Oh, have you ever been to Mackinac Island?
	See, Bucky built a giant bomb shelter there on Mackinac Island, which is the first trading post in the 1600s.
	It had a wonderful vacation area.
	It's between top of Michigan, between the two.
	It's now opened as Mission Point Resort, but it was built by Buckminster Fuller and There's a large limestone mountain there and he went right into the side of it.
	It is no proof.
	Classrooms, barracks for a couple thousand people built right into a mountain on what is a national park now.
	And you want to look it up.
	Mission Point Resort.
	That was Buckminster Fuller's facility.
	Any last words for you?
	And they do a great burger there.
	Honor of seeing him at Cullen Auditorium when I was an engineering student at University of Houston, and he got a standing ovation from 3,000 of the most skeptical 60s, don't trust anybody over 30, and it was really an incredible thing.
	He was a wonderful speaker, really one of the most intelligent and honest people I've ever met in my whole life, and I just said to myself, sitting there as a 20-year-old college kid, man, I hope I can be as smart and as good as that guy is by the time I'm 70.
	Well, maybe we need to bring some of his work back.
	Yes, we really do.
	That'll be a subject for a future conversation.
	Gordon, it has been a total delight to talk to you and listen to you today, and we will do it again soon.
	Well, Joey, normally we just trade emails all day.
	This is so much better, my friend.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you, Gordon, and thank you to our audience.
	We will be back tomorrow with a more traditional, but you never know, version of Need to Know News.
	This has been an absolute delight.

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