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June 16, 2023 - Jim Fetzer

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The Raw Deal (16 June 2023) with Richard Gage

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	- This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal.
	We're very pleased to have a special guest today, Richard Gage, the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
	Before I introduce Richard, at the bottom of the hour, however, I want to review some of the current developments taking place worldwide, including in relation to Ukraine.
	The chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Mark Milley, predicts that Ukraine's counter-offensive will be long and very violent.
	Following a meeting of military officials in Brussels, that was a very optimistic spin on it.
	It's a massacre taking place, a massacre.
	Taking place of the Ukrainians, they don't have a chance.
	Millie talking about it being long and violent.
	Following a meeting of military officials is really trying to make it encourage what's going on here.
	Millie claims Ukraine has been making steady progress, but in fact, the battle lines haven't changed much.
	According to the New York Times, it's been three days since Ukraine claimed any gains.
	Here's a map of the military situation.
	My belief is that Russia is going to have to take all of Ukraine before this is said and done.
	Asia Times reported on June 10th, American and European military observers described the attempted counteroffensive as a suicide mission.
	If you want to conduct an offensive and have a dozen brigades and a few dozen tanks, you concentrate them and try to break through.
	Ukrainians have been running around in five different directions.
	We tried to tell them to stop the beastmeal tactics of hide a main thrust with proper infantry and then do what they can, the officer added.
	The report said Ukraine lost 38 tanks, Numerous German made lab heard on June 8 by sending them into minefields without deploying mine-clearing vehicles first.
	How amateurish can you get?
	Meanwhile, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin downplayed Ukraine's losses, claiming Russia was showing different parts of the same damaged vehicle.
	This is ridiculous!
	Meanwhile, Biden is supposed to be mulling over an Israel model for Ukraine, according to the New York Times.
	Biden is reluctant to offer Ukraine full NATO membership.
	I mean, what an absurd idea, given that the war is being fought in part, large measure, because Russia opposes the very idea of Ukraine becoming a member of NATO, even though they're utilizing all kinds of NATO weapons and forces.
	Pushing for the Israeli model, meaning a time-limited commitment to maintain the flow of Western weapons to the country.
	This would be something less than a collective defense guarantee.
	In fact, it's already going on now.
	So really, there's nothing new here so far as I can see.
	Abundance of Ukraine's accession to NATO are concerned it would further escalate the crisis with Moscow, but I can't imagine why.
	I mean, you know, except it would make full-blown war against NATO, Russia would have to launch a retaliatory attack against the NATO nations, including the United States.
	Russian officials have described the hostilities As part of the U.S.-led proxy war against our country, which is exactly correct, where NATO's expansion in Europe is one of the key motivating factors for Russia to have to undertake the special military operation.
	NATO Secretary Jen Stoltenberg, who met with U.S.
	leaders earlier this week, "Suggested a compromise proposal, "a pledge to maintain arm flows, "regardless of the outcome of the counter-impensive.
	"Kiev's representation would be upgraded to council level, "which what Russia used to have "before its relations with the West deteriorated." I don't see much going on there, frankly.
	Meanwhile, we have Matt Gaetz, who's going to hold hearings on the abuse of the January 6th of hand, This is all very appropriate.
	I am, as I've sought to explain, convinced January 6th was totally fabricated.
	It had multiple objectives, but perhaps the most important, as I'd asserted, is to introduce and emphasize this concept of domestic terrorists Well, the domestic terrorists include Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, MAGA supporters, Trump voters, conservatives generally, even mothers who oppose the introduction of all the transgender nonsense in schools.
	They're all being subsumed under the broad rubric of domestic terrorists.
	Now, in my judgment, this is laying down a predicate, namely a legal basis for At a time when, and I predict this will happen, martial law is declared, domestic terrorists can be rounded up and subjected to summary judgment and executed.
	I'm really putting pieces together.
	You got the massive influx of the millions coming across our southern border.
	So many are young, military age, physically fit.
	They look super good.
	They don't have weapons.
	Put that together with the fact that agencies unrelated to law enforcement, unrelated to the Department of Defense, like the Social Security Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, and others, have purchased $4 billion in military equipment, including up to a billion rounds of hollow point.
	I was raising questions way back when those announcements came out.
	What's all this hollow point ammunition?
	I believe now we can see what's taking place, that there are caches of these military weapons around the country.
	And now that these guys have come in, now that these guys that come in across the border, they're being given cell phones by no less than the Department of Homeland Security.
	You thought the Department of Homeland Security was here to protect Americans from Foreign threats, for example?
	No, no such thing.
	In fact, they're down there in Panama with the UN, orchestrating the convoys.
	And of course, the trucks, as I've shown from videos before, they have the Star of David on the doors, the convoys bringing these massive numbers of migrants up to the border to flood the United States as part of a Western Hemisphere clergy plan where the clergy plan was devised in the 1930s to flood Europe to destroy European culture and civilization by a flood of refugees brought in from Africa.
	Well, now we have the same thing happening here in the United States by a flood of refugees being brought in from South Central America.
	In fact, Over 100 countries are sending.
	There's no appropriate justification for these individuals.
	They aren't bona fide refugees.
	They're seeking what they may think of as a better life and a lot of free stuff that the Democrats are providing.
	If the United States were simply to adopt the principles of Mexico in relation to immigration, where Mexico has two conditions.
	Namely first, you must be able to show you have something to contribute to the good of Mexico.
	Say you're a doctor, a lawyer, a plumber, a carpenter.
	That would all be for the good of Mexico, or if we were to adopt it, for the good of the United States.
	And second of all, you must be able to show you have the financial resources in order to support yourself and your family.
	And not become a burden on the state.
	But what's going on here is precisely the opposite.
	I mean, look how appropriate that would be and the number of migrants coming to the United States legally that would reduce to a trickle.
	But Biden and the Democrats have basically erased the border with Mexico.
	They're flooding the United States and it's all for bad reasons.
	I even suspect, by the way, That the depletion of the military by going woke and injecting the vax is going to lead to bringing in masses of migrants on the ground that this is a path to citizenship.
	Join the U.S.
	Army and you'll become a U.S.
	citizen where they are not going to have any inhibition about shooting American citizens because they themselves, of course, were never American.
	Remember now, if you think that sounds far-fetched, the IRS had just hired 87,000 new IRS agents, and one of the requirements was the willingness to use lethal force.
	Now, frankly, in the past, that's not been an aspect of collecting income taxes.
	Okay, they shoot taxpayers, but now what we got going on here With the new IRS, the Biden IRS, they have to, as a qualification, be capable of applying lethal force.
	So you think it's a stretch?
	They're going to bring a bunch of migrants into the military and use them to shoot American citizens?
	I'm sorry, it's not a stretch.
	Meanwhile, and this is fascinating, Georgia won't update its vulnerable Dominion software until after the 2024 election.
	In other words, they want to have one more whack at stealing another election from Trump and the Republicans.
	Georgia election officials have been aware of existing vulnerabilities for more than two years now.
	I continue to insist the system is safe.
	It won't be updated until after 2024.
	But if they're aware of the vulnerabilities, how can they at the same time insist the system is safe?
	That is inconsistent.
	So were they lying then or are they lying now?
	Obviously, in saying the system is safe, they're lying now.
	The Dominion voting machines, as we have so many times reported, were designed to steal elections.
	They have built-in capacity to print ballots, so if they don't even have enough ballots, they just print them up, make sure it all comes out the right way.
	They have sophisticated software to ensure the numbers add up, so the total numbers cast is equal to the total numbers tabulated.
	But let me explain how simple it is to manufacture an outcome.
	If you know your opponent is going to get more votes than your preferred candidate, simply reverse the count.
	So the votes cast for your opponent cast counted in terms of your candidate.
	So votes cast for Trump are instead counted for Biden.
	The total number adds up because it's a total number cast or simply distributed a different way.
	This is part and parcel of what they've been doing with voting machines.
	And as I've emphasized again and again and again, We could run Jesus Christ as candidate on the Republican ticket and he'd still lose because the Dominion voting machine Dropbox is in the line.
	A lawyer for Georgia's top election official, Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, recently told a federal court official will forego installing Dominion security patches until after the 2024 presidential election.
	Well, those weaknesses were previously verified by federal cybersecurity officials who urged election officials to update their systems.
	We got to get rid of the voting machines.
	They're being used to steal election again and again and again.
	There's nothing about them that is appropriate or fair or justifiable.
	Meanwhile, Georgia election officials insist It's highly unlikely those vulnerabilities will be exploited in real attacks and that they've already carried out a number of security recommendations without having to update the system software.
	Well, we know it's broke, but they're not going to fix that because they like the way it's broken.
	They like the way it enables them to steal elections.
	This is of course anti-democratic, this is purely authoritarian, but it's exactly what we've come to expect from the Biden admin and from the Democrats generally.
	I'm just so sorry to say that when you look at the totality of what's been taking place across the country since they began taking down statutes, Confederates that were part of the process of reconciliation between the North and the South as a gesture of respect exhibited by both sides on surreptitious grounds.
	They've been out to destroy the culture and the historical identity of the United States and by going to the education system with the kids and disrupting all this nonsense about whether you're a boy or a girl and Transgender and drag shows for kids and books on masturbation and anal sex.
	It is disgusting beyond belief.
	But that's what's going on, an effort to completely destroy American culture.
	And look at further, it's extended to the non-enforcement of all kinds of laws, such as about shoplifting.
	They basically decriminalize shoplifting.
	So in California, Up to $950 where you can take all you want with impunity.
	So they're conducting, you know, massive raid, bringing up caravans and they're just depleting stores and then the cops are not doing anything about it.
	There was even a recent bill introduced in California.
	Sad to say, because I was born and raised in Southern California.
	To see the state turn into such a rubbish heap is just shameful, that even security guards in stores are not allowed to approach those who are conducting the shoplifting.
	I mean, look, once you let the toothpaste out of the tube, it's going to be virtually impossible to bring this back into order unless we issue shoot-to-kill orders regarding looting, because it's going on at an unprecedented scale.
	The stores can't support it.
	They're pulling out.
	They're turning the communities into wastelands.
	They're going to be run by gangs.
	We're going to have turf warfare.
	Just absolutely stunning what's taking place.
	Well, state and federal officials have suggested it's unlikely the vulnerability could be exploited.
	This is back to Georgia and their failure, their unwillingness to patch or fix the Dominion machines.
	The newly released report points out Georgia is far more dependent on this particular Dominion software than any other state, potentially undermining confidence in its ability to conduct a secure election.
	Nobody believes Georgia can conduct a secure election.
	It's extremely unlikely.
	I mean, listen to this, how they nevertheless seek to apologize.
	It's extremely unlikely any bad actor would be able to exploit our voting system in the real world.
	The system is secure, says Gabriel Sterling, the top election official in the Georgia Secretary of State's office.
	I mean, this is just further confirmation that the Democrats in Georgia are running a completely corrupt administration and couldn't care less about Democracy, the Constitution, every vote counting.
	Only the votes cast for their candidate are the ones they want to count.
	Georgia has not implemented the recommended security patch.
	State officials are saying they're waiting to do so until after 2024.
	Delaying the security patch until 2025 is worse than doing nothing, warned Haldeman, since it puts would-be adversaries on notice.
	The state will conduct a presidential election with this particular version of software with known vulnerabilities, giving them nearly 18 months to prepare and deploy attacks.
	Just stunning.
	Just stunning.
	But why should we be surprised?
	Why should we be surprised?
	Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal is commenting on the Trump indictment and characterizing it as destructive.
	Do the federal prosecutors understand the dangerous forces they are unleashing?
	This now, Wall Street Journal.
	Whether you love or hate Donald Trump, his indictment by President Joe Biden's Justice Department is a fraught moment for American democracy.
	For the first time in U.S.
	history, the prosecutorial power of the federal government has been used against a former president who's also running against a sitting president.
	The indictment levels 37 charges against Trump that are related to his handling of classified documents since he left the White House.
	31 of the counts are for violating the ancient and seldom enforced Espionage Act for the willful retention of national defense information.
	But it's striking that the indictment never mentions a Presidential Records Act that allows a president access to documents, both classified and unclassified, once he leaves office.
	It allows for good faith negotiation with the National Archives.
	Indictment assumed Trump had no right to make any classified, to take any classified documents.
	This doesn't fit the spirit or the letter of the Presidential Records Act.
	If the Espionage Act meant presidents can't retain any classified documents, then the Record Act is all but meaningless.
	This will be part of Trump's defense.
	The other accounts are related to failing to turn over the documents or obstructing the attempts to obtain them.
	As usual, Trump is his own worst enemy.
	This would have gone nowhere.
	Former Attorney General Bill Barr told CBS that the president just returned the documents, but he jerked them around for a year and a half.
	That being said, if prosecutors think this will absolve them of the political implications of their decision to charge Trump, they fail to understand what they've unleashed.
	In the court of public opinion, the first question will be about two standards of justice.
	Biden had an old classified pile stored in his Delaware garage next to his sports car.
	When that news came out, he didn't sound too apologetic.
	But the Justice Department isn't going to indict Biden.
	As for willful, how about the basement email server that Hillary Clinton uses as Secretary of State?
	FBI Director James Comey said in 2016 that she and her colleagues were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
	Commended by declaring Clinton free and clear, since no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
	This is the inescapable political context of Trump's recent indictment.
	The special counsel could have finished his investigation with a report detailing the extent of Trump's recklessness and explained what secrets it could have exposed.
	Instead, the Justice Department has taken a perilous path.
	The charges are a destructive intervention into the 2024 election.
	They also make it more likely the election will be a referendum on Trump rather than on Biden's economy and agenda or a GOP alternative.
	This may be exactly what Democrats intend with their charges.
	The greatest irony of the age of Trump is that for all of his violating of Democrat norms, his frenzied opponents have Done and are doing their own considerable damage to democracy, indeed.
	Here we have Paul Craig Roberts, gang of criminals trying Trump.
	Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, international award-winning journalist, is worried about freedom and liberty.
	He says with the latest arrests and prosecution of Trump, Freedom and liberty is dead in America.
	PCR explains, what they do makes it clear they have no claim that they are representatives of justice holding lawbreakers responsible.
	They are the lawbreakers, they themselves.
	You go to trial and it's the criminals who are trying you and that's what's happened in the United States.
	This is happening to President Trump.
	This is exactly what's happening to him.
	The Department of Justice, which is a gang of criminals, is trying Trump and they are getting away with it.
	I can't predict, but we are going to find out by the next presidential election whether we are a country or not.
	What's going to happen?
	Are people going to wake up and stop this?
	If this coup stays in place, the United States no longer exists.
	What is being done is a lesson being taught to all future political candidates.
	If you try to represent the people instead of the elite, we are going to destroy you, period.
	So if they succeed in destroying Trump, and if the people permit that and don't rise up and prevent it, then what we have from now on in the United States is tyranny.
	If democracy cannot put into office someone who stands for the people who elected that person, then there is no democracy and there is no rule of law.
	If you have no rule of law, you have the rule of whoever is in power.
	In other words, it is the total end of any claim there is any freedom, any civil liberty or any accountability.
	This is extremely serious.
	This is an all out assault.
	The elite are attempting to completely destroy any accountability that would ever get in the way of their agenda.
	So this is only to be the agendas of the elite and never any agenda of the people.
	He warns the United States is the Constitution.
	If the Constitution is destroyed, the United States is destroyed.
	So if they destroy it, they have destroyed us.
	Very good.
	Meanwhile, Trump's poll numbers have increased since the indictment.
	I think this must be very frustrating.
	And they've also increased in New Hampshire in relation to DeSantis.
	Among likely New Hampshire primary voters, former President Trump leads Florida Governor Ron DeSantis 44 to 12 in a multi-candidate ballot.
	Trump has increased his lead by 5% since last month, when he led DeSantis 39-18.
	Former New Jersey Chris Christie, South Carolina Senator Tim Scott are tied for third with 7%.
	Zununu's presence on the ballot is not siphoning worry from DeSantis, as some assume.
	When Zununu is taken out of the equation, DeSantis did not benefit.
	We've got here I think back with... There's an effort to run the break, I believe.
	Mitchell, are we there?
	Let me just say, Bringing in Richard Gage in a moment.
	I have a nice little piece to take us back to 9-11, but I'm worried whether I can find Mitchell there.
	Are you there, Mitchell?
	Do you need me to kill the break, Jim?
	Say again?
	Do you want me to kill the break?
	Yeah, why don't you kill the break?
	That's a good idea.
	All right, I'm going to pull it up and I'm waiting for it to open up.
	I'll get there in a sec.
	Okay, thanks.
	Very good.
	Now, I mentioned I want to take us back to 9-11 on this occasion of having Richard Gage with me.
	You'll be able to see this in the video version of the show, of course, but most people at home, they might have been watching MASH when all of a sudden there was a massive interruption.
	Here goes.
	This comes from the mayrussell.com website.
	That's what we're told, the second plane, we saw it on television.
	- There's a bomb in the building, not the second plane.
	That was the bomb.
	We take the second plane. - That's what we're told, the second plane.
	We saw it on television.
	All right, thanks a lot. - The idea of how much of the plane actually impacted the building.
	You know, it might have appeared that way, but from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.
	The only site is the actual side of the building that's crashed in, and as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you could pick up in your hand.
	There are no large tail sections, wing sections, a fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around Which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.
	Now, even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon, you see that the floors have all collapsed.
	That didn't happen immediately.
	It wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed.
	Jeff, it's a United Airlines plane.
	It's believed to be at that side outside.
	That's exactly right John with 45 people total on board and one of the more profound things today the imprint of terrorism seared not only on Wall Street but also on Main Street.
	Here you have an area 80 miles to the southeast of Pittsburgh in this plane which went down at about 10 o'clock this morning.
	We have rescue vehicles that came in earlier in the day and they have turned up nothing.
	No one believed to be alive from this crash.
	Some of the media just getting back to the scene which is about A quarter of a mile up on a hill back behind me and so some of the first pictures just starting to come in within the last hour.
	I want to get quickly to Chris Konicki.
	He's a photographer with the Pittsburgh affiliate of Fox Affiliate.
	He was back there just a couple of minutes ago and Chris, I've seen the pictures.
	It looks like there's nothing there except for a hole in the ground.
	Basically, that's right.
	The only thing you could see from where we were was a big gouge in the earth and some broken trees.
	We could see some people working, walking around in the area, but from where we could see, there wasn't much left.
	Any large pieces of debris at all?
	No, there was nothing.
	Nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there.
	Smoke?
	Fire?
	Nothing.
	It was absolutely quiet.
	It was actually very quiet.
	Nothing going on down there.
	No smoke, no fire.
	Just a couple of people walking around.
	They look like part of the NTSB crew walking around looking at the pieces.
	How big would you say that hole was?
	From my estimates, I would guess it was probably about 20 to 15 feet.
	Probably about 10 feet long or 10 feet wide.
	What could you see on the ground, if anything, other than dirt and ash?
	You couldn't see anything.
	You could just see dirt, ash, and people walking around, broken trees.
	Says that City Hall in Oakland will remain open.
	It will be business as usual.
	He is urging people to remain calm.
	Given what is going on, remain calm.
	Oakland City Hall will remain open, but in San Francisco, City Hall has been closed.
	We're also just getting word here now that a second United Airlines jet, Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles, is now missing.
	Again, if you're just joining us, there have been four separate plane crashes.
	Three of those planes were en route to California.
	Two were heading to LAX.
	The third was heading to San Francisco International Airport.
	That was specifically the one heading to SFO United, flight number 93 from Newark to SFO.
	It apparently crashed in Pennsylvania, fairly close to the border of Maryland and not too far from Camp David.
	Why is that significant?
	Because one of the groups possibly claiming responsibility for all these terrorist attacks is the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and it was this week in 1978 that the Camp David Accords were reached.
	Is there a connection at this point?
	We don't know, but it is important to be aware of that situation.
	In Washington, D.C., Many congressional leaders have been transferred to a secret location.
	Some senators have described this as a second Pearl Harbor.
	And President Bush was in Florida this morning, but he made a brief announcement when the first attacks were clear on the World Trade Center and he was heading back to Washington, D.C.
	At this point, we don't know exactly where he is.
	They're trying, they're not really broadcasting that information, but we are told that the president is safe right now.
	We're waiting for a press conference to start in San Francisco from the Office of Emergency Services to discuss what the situation, what the city's reaction to all of this is going to be.
	But again, right now in San Francisco... Well, that was all wonderful from me, Brussels website, bringing us back to 9-11.
	I'm simply delighted today to have as my special featured guest, the founder Of architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth, Richard Gage, who has, in my opinion, been the most public face of the 9-11 Truth movement.
	He's given lectures and presentations all over the country.
	Well, I myself founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth in December of 2005, and I've made a fair number of talks and presentations.
	Richard Gage's Omnipresence across the nation has been staggering in its reach.
	I'm really pleased to have him here.
	Richard, welcome to The Raw Deal.
	Well, thank you, Jim.
	I really appreciate being here with you.
	It's been a long time.
	It has, it has.
	It's been quite a while since we last spoke.
	I want to give you the floor and just lay out, you know, how you organize architects and engineers and what you have done with it, where things stand today and the like.
	Yeah, you bet.
	Just in terms of a background, it was 18 years ago now that I was just floored having heard for the first time ever an alternative theory about how these towers came down.
	I was on my way back from a construction observation meeting and hearing David Ray Griffin on the radio, who's now written 14 books on the subject of 9-11 truth, and of course now recently has passed away, very, very unfortunately for us in the 9-11 truth movement.
	Um, and, uh, however, uh, the rest of us, uh, are starting to pick up the slack and, and move the football down the field.
	And, and so here we are doing just that.
	I learned also that, uh, day, uh, it was actually March 29, 2006.
	That a third tower came down, and I'm an architect.
	I would know if a third tower came down, right?
	This is five years after 9-11.
	Well, the Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth was founded based on this lack of knowledge that's been censored from the American Institute of Architects, who didn't even issue one bulletin On the third worst structural failure in modern history.
	Should have been the most studied building failure ever.
	So, I started taking Building 7 to conferences and, you know, when people see this, they go, no, I didn't know Third Tower came.
	Now, what are you talking about?
	Same thing I went through, right?
	So, I put together a presentation that I'm going to share with some of your, some of it with your viewers today.
	And I'm very excited to bring this information, particularly about this third tower.
	Some of the viewers may not be aware.
	You always have new viewers out there that you're reaching, Jim.
	So we'll just pretend that most of our viewers are new to this information, even though most of them probably aren't.
	But they'll learn something new today.
	I'm going to go into some depth.
	So I put together a presentation for the architecture firm I work with.
	And that became the first 14 architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth, other than myself.
	And they all agreed, once I showed them the presentation, the graphic information, that we have to have a real investigation.
	These are controlled demolitions.
	And Jim, you and I will have some discussion a little bit later this morning, this afternoon for you.
	Uh, about how these towers were destroyed and, um, and, and, and that's great.
	But first I want to show, uh, the information, the evidence that, um, that I've come up with, not just I, but, uh, hundreds in the 9-11 truth movement, uh, with respect to some of the, uh, deep researchers, uh, who, who preceded me.
	Uh, and so we, um, uh, are continuing now, uh, post AE 9-11 truth.
	Uh, I, I had a difference with most of the board members.
	Um, not all certainly, uh, about the direction, you know, we, we were just entering this, this COVID period, this plandemic, and, uh, I needed to talk about it.
	Uh, we needed to be more relevant.
	This is what's impacting Americans now.
	You know, three years ago, especially two years ago, and even a year ago, as this false solution to this false engineered problem began to be foisted upon all of us.
	And thank you for speaking out about that early and vociferously, Jim.
	That's got to be talked about And I didn't want to be remaining in the closet about what's really going on with most Americans.
	They need to know about COVID.
	And guess what?
	The 9-11 Truth Movement needs to know about COVID, too.
	Many are not on board yet.
	And the COVID Truth Movement needs to know about 9-11.
	So this cross-pollinization, which you've been expert at now for years and years, if not Decades now, um, uh, is essential.
	So that's what, uh, necessitated, uh, the launch of richardgage911.org.
	Uh, my wife and I, Gail, uh, worked together today, uh, in the last year and a half, we now have, uh, 80 podcasts and we've, uh, had two dozen speaking engagements around the country and outside the country.
	So, busier than ever before.
	We're doing a radio interview at least twice a week now.
	Just never been so busy.
	So, things are looking good.
	It's all been in the right direction.
	Excellent.
	Just excellent, Richard.
	Go forward with your presentation.
	Well, let's do just that, Jim.
	I will share my screen.
	And let's share this one and computer sound, of course.
	So many people, you got screen, Jim?
	Yes, very good.
	Many people don't know about the 9-11 evidence, and it is explosive, no matter how you look at it.
	We have been at it for a long time, and most people still don't know.
	We don't want them to be the last to know.
	Building 7, up here in the right, is what we're going to talk about first here.
	Again, most people don't even know about it.
	This was a 47-story skyscraper, easily the tallest building in most of our states, only dwarfed by the Twin Towers, which were the tallest buildings in the world.
	At the time that they were built and topped out in 1973.
	Building 7 is up here just north of the superblock of the World Trade Center towers and about 100 yards of football field away from the North Tower.
	And when the towers went down that morning, Building 7 got hit by a few beams And we'll see those.
	It stood just fine, as you can see on the right, and it had a few small scattered fires.
	And then, after witnesses heard explosions, this happens.
	The East Penthouse falls first.
	This is about seven hours after the towers.
	And then, six seconds later, the entire building does this in a second event.
	As you can see, straight down uniformly, suddenly, and at free fall, acceleration into its own footprint in under seven seconds.
	That's as fast as a bowling ball falling out of the sky.
	Let's see what the official story says about this, Jim. - What we found was that uncontrolled building fires caused an extraordinary event.
	The collapse of World Trade Center 7 was primarily due to fire.
	So fires brought this building down.
	That's Shyam Sundar of NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, who was tasked by Congress to explain these collapses to the American people.
	Let's look at those fires.
	As you can see, because these are the worst fires that we have photographic or video evidence of, they're few, they're small, and they're scattered.
	And so are they going to bring that building down?
	And by the way, they're going out in the floor of interest, the 12th floor in the northeast side or corner of this building, according to NIST.
	Let's go deeper.
	Our study has identified thermal expansion as a new phenomenon that can cause the collapse of a structure.
	For the first time, we have shown that fire can induce a progressive collapse.
	Interesting.
	And so he goes into a little bit more depth, but look at the structure that we're talking about here with Building 7 and the size of these beams.
	This is an extraordinarily robust structure that is not going to fall apart like stepping on a Tinkertoy Skyscraper.
	Those of you who are Jim in my age will know what those are.
	Tinker Toys.
	We've had much larger, longer-lasting, and hotter fires in skyscrapers.
	Guess what?
	Not one of them has ever come down in history, much less at freefall into its own footprint in seven seconds.
	Since 9-11, we've had a dozen Much hotter, larger, and longer lasting skyscrapers.
	Not one of those has come down either.
	So it behooves us to take a deeper look.
	Let's listen to Dan Rather now.
	What you're seeing are high shots.
	Now here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself.
	Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building.
	It's amazing.
	Amazing, incredible, pick your word.
	For the third time today, it's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.
	What?
	Dan's never repeated those words after 9-11.
	Indeed, we've not seen this building collapse on mainstream television.
	Again, should have been the most studied failure ever.
	Well, let's see if it comes down symmetrically.
	Yeah, pretty straight down, pretty symmetrical.
	One of the features of controlled demolition, like the old hotels in Las Vegas, which require a team of experts to place precisely placed explosives at key points, column and beam connections in the building on successive floors and then synchronized in a deliberate, highly precise set of detonations.
	That's how you bring a building straight down symmetrically into a haystack pile in the center of the footprint.
	So we have to ask ourselves, how do you do that?
	Well, you have to take out the core columns first on each floor, all at once on each floor, followed a second later by the perimeter columns.
	Any deviation in that pattern, Jim, and this building will fall over.
	It will not be this level of precision that we're seeing here.
	And these fires are supposed to have caused that precision.
	You see the disconnect?
	A sixth grader can figure this out.
	Let's take a look next to a controlled demolition, a set of them, on the right.
	Building 7 on the left.
	Is there any similarity?
	Is there enough similarity to warrant an investigation into the possible use of explosives?
	Especially since fire, the official cause of these buildings, has never brought down a skyscraper in history ever.
	So, are there sounds of explosions?
	We did not find any evidence that explosives were used in the collapse of Building 7.
	We ran down detailed computer simulations of blast scenarios This size blast would have produced an incredibly loud sound that was not recorded on videos of the collapse nor reported by witnesses.
	Oh, let's listen to a couple of them.
	Here's Daryl, a medical student near Building 7.
	About a second later, the bottom floor caves out.
	building on fire and uh you know we heard this this sound that sounded like a clap under turned around we were shocked to see that the building was uh well it looked like there was a shock wave uh ripping through the building and the windows all uh busted out and you know it was horrifying and then uh you know about a second later the bottom floor caves out about a second later the bottom floor caves out how about kevin mcpatten former air force medic and then it was like another two three seconds
	you heard explosions like boom it's like a distinct sound it's not like when the compression like boom boom boom boom boom like floors that were dropping and collapsing this was boom like you felt a rumble in the ground like almost like you wanted to grab onto something that to me i knew that was an explosion and this gentleman who saw flashes of light i'm I'm going to call in Bill Rosati.
	He was here when it all happened.
	He saw it for himself.
	Bill, if you can just tell us what you saw, what you heard.
	I was standing like two blocks away, and all of a sudden I just seen a big flash, and then I seen the building coming down, and I just seen people just running everywhere, chaotic-like.
	And this gentleman, Barry Jennings, who along with Mayor Giuliani's attorney, Michael Hess, was in the building trying to get out of the building.
	Everybody else had already gotten out.
	This is their experience.
	We got to the eighth floor.
	I started walking to one side of the building.
	That side of the building was gone.
	The first explosion I heard when I was on the stairwell landing.
	When we made it down to the 6th floor.
	Then we made it back to the 8th floor, I heard some more explosions.
	What sort of sound?
	Like a boom.
	Like an explosion.
	Like this explosion heard in the late morning of 9-11?
	Yeah, here's one of the guys who can tell you I'm okay, alright?
	Here, hold on.
	You wanna call your mother or something?
	This says there were no explosions.
	What was that?
	We also have evidence of extreme heat in the Twin Towers, signified by the melting of girders, according to, in this case, structural engineer Abulhazen Astani-Ozil.
	And this piece of Building 7 steel is indeed partly evaporated, as we'll see, is documented by Jonathan Barnett, fire protection engineer and author of the FEMA report.
	Steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures.
	But guess what?
	It takes 4,000 degrees to evaporate steel.
	What can create those temperatures?
	Not office fires.
	Molten steel was found at World Trade Center 7.
	In fact, it's documented by FEMA, who, before NIST, completed a report in May of 2002.
	NIST threw out this report But before they did, everybody had the opportunity to learn about never before observed eutectic reactions, intergranular melting, solid steel girder turning into Swiss cheese like you see here.
	Office fires don't melt steel, not steel beams.
	And these beams are completely corroded through with rapid oxidation, sulfidation, liquid iron.
	That's molten iron.
	Elemental iron, not steel.
	Elemental iron is a component, the chief component, of thermite.
	We'll come to that in a moment.
	But they also say sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.
	Where does the sulfur come from?
	We'll find out.
	It's added, in fact, to thermite to become thermate.
	Much hotter and much more effective at cutting through steel.
	This is this information is called the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation by the New York Times.
	But NIST completely eradicated this metallurgical examination, which was documented in appendix C of the FEMA report.
	Sighting again and again, lying through their teeth, NIST, that no steel had been recovered.
	Again and again and again.
	We couldn't test any steel.
	We couldn't do a metallograph because no steel had been recovered.
	And yet here is the co-project leader, John Gross, on the pile, documenting the very piece of steel you just saw with hot sulfur corrosion attack.
	The ends of the beams partly evaporated.
	His shadow is all over the evidence.
	Well, how do we get these kinds of temperatures?
	Well, what we learn is that there is metal, molten metal, dripping out of the material held in the claws of the crab claw excavator.
	We know the temperature of that material because of its color.
	In this case, bright yellow and even white hot, indicating temperatures of 2500 degrees, which is, by the way, At least six feet away from the hydraulic units.
	I know that's one of the criticisms of molten metal, but here it is.
	This is the actual photograph.
	So we can't deny what our eyes are telling us here.
	So we have to ask ourselves another question.
	What was found in all of this powder besides pulverized concrete, which we'll come back to.
	The U.S.
	Geological Survey does this incredible study on the dust.
	It's not dust, it's powder.
	And it's concrete powder substantially.
	100,000 tons in each tower of concrete powder.
	And this powder is documented by the USGS in their Particle Atlas in 2006.
	What do they find?
	Molten iron microspheres.
	Billions of them.
	Up to four tons of them.
	They're about the diameter of a human hair on average.
	Up to six percent of some of these samples are molten iron microspheres.
	How do they form?
	And this is elemental iron.
	This is not steel.
	This is not an alloy, which is what steel is.
	This is actual elemental iron.
	We haven't used iron in our skyscrapers, elemental cast iron, in a hundred years.
	So where's all this coming from?
	Well, let's just light a piece of thermite on fire and see what happens.
	It looks like thousands of sparks slowing it down halfway, but they cool and they fall.
	And what are they?
	They're spheres.
	They are spheres that because of the aerosolization of this molten iron, they fall into the pan and we see That they are the same molten iron microspheres.
	When you aerosolize liquid, like even liquid molten iron in explosive conditions, the surface tension forms itself into spheres.
	You could take a thermite cutter charge and make it yourself, as John Cole's civil engineer did, and you get... Wow!
	Explosions of spectra are enough fizzle to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter.
	But what else was found in the World Trade Center dust?
	A team of eight international scientists, led by Niels Herreth in Copenhagen, is sent, independently collected, seven samples from around the World Trade Center and outside, even on the Brooklyn Bridge.
	They find the same thing in all of them.
	They thought these chips were paint.
	They're dual-layered, red on one side, gray on the other.
	The largest is about a sixteenth of an inch long.
	They get real curious.
	They go, this has come attracted to a magnet, so it has a high iron content.
	My God, what does iron do?
	This is not paint.
	They get real curious and zoom in or do analysis with X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy and find what?
	Iron oxide and aluminum powder, the ingredients of unignited thermite.
	Wow.
	What's that doing in the paint?
	Now they're just fascinated and they zoom in 50,000 times and they find what?
	Iron oxide, crystalline, rhomboidal shaped crystals, which are at the nano scale.
	A thousand times smaller than the diameter of a human hair and aluminum platelets.
	It's at about the same scale.
	This is incredibly technical achievement made only in the last decade before 9-11 and documented by Los Alamos Lab, Lawrence Livermore Lab.
	It's called Super Thermite.
	This is set in a bed, a matrix of oxygen, silica, carbon.
	That's organic material.
	Organic material is what's used in TNT to knock things over due to the incredible expansion of the organic, creating these expansion of gases.
	So that's where TNT gets its power and high energy explosives.
	So it appears that what they've done here is engineered A incendiary thermite to become more explosive.
	Nanothermite.
	And in fact, when they ignite one of these chips, what do they find?
	They find molten iron microspheres with the same chemical signature As the molten iron microspheres found and documented by the USGS and R.J.
	Lee, by the way, also.
	R.J.
	Lee Group is an international consulting engineering firm, environmental, and they did their studies and they find the same things that the USGS did.
	So we know where those previously molten iron microspheres came from.
	They came from these red-gray chips.
	As if we didn't know, they're found attached to partially ignited red-gray chips, as we see here and here.
	See, when you engineer something at the nanoscale, the surface volume of these particles increases exponentially.
	And you have, and almost the surface volume is so large that the chemical reaction is virtually instantaneous.
	So you have a more explosive product.
	Not made in a cave in Afghanistan, by the way.
	This is made only in the most advanced defense contracting laboratories.
	So you can see that this is a very superior product that merits all kinds of further investigation, even though it was investigated.
	It was peer reviewed.
	It was published on the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal.
	In 2009.
	Richard, hold that thought, my friend.
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	Well, it's wonderful to have Richard Gage here, who founded Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which has focused on Building 7 and its collapse, which was a classic controlled demolition.
	I think we've just heard a wonderful exposition about Building 7.
	The fact is that in the history of engineering, no steel structure high-rise has ever collapsed due to fire.
	And as Richard was illustrating, there are many cases of fires that endured far longer at far greater intensity than what occurred with Building 7.
	We know this is just complete rubbish coming from NIST, which, by the way, Richard, As I recall, didn't mention they did not even include Building 7 in the initial report about 9-11.
	That was a gross oversight.
	They hoped to finesse the whole issue.
	Oh, not the 9-11 Commission, yes.
	Yeah, I was very pleased Richard had those comments from Barry Jennings, who actually was inside the building that morning, heard explosions go off, had a fire, had a stairwell collapse underneath him, stepped over dead bodies, he couldn't feel him, couldn't see him when he got out, because he's an extraordinarily important witness, and yet, like, within days before the release of the final report on Building 7,
	Very Jenny's died and frankly, I believe it's because he was a witness who could have contradicted based on his own experience.
	You know, there's this is a legally viable court ready witness.
	The official account we were about to be given, which was a lot of happy horseshit to put it in a very conventional way.
	Richard also talked about thermite, and this is of course an extremely interesting subject.
	When I founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth, I invited Stephen Jones, who's a physicist from BYU, to be my co-chair, and Stephen has been a proponent of the thermite, nanothermite, superthermite, as you may call it, mechanism, even when in June of 2006, Alex Jones invited me to be the keynote speaker at his American Scholars Conference in Los Angeles.
	I spoke to Stephen the day before Saturday in the lobby and asked him if he were still in a position that thermite or nanothermite could have been sufficient to blow apart the buildings, because we're not now just talking about seven.
	We're talking about one and two, and therefore I wanted to Clarify with Richard that he's not.
	Or is he?
	Maintaining that nanothermite was responsible for building seven, where there turned out to be three alternative theories about how one and two were destroyed, those of course being the Twin Towers, the nanothermite hypothesis of Steve Jones and Richard Gage and architects and engineers, Judy Wood and his directed energy weapon hypothesis as an alternative, and then third scholars evolved
	To adopt a mini-nuke hypothesis, which of course, therefore, is, you know, the differences here are among the most interesting questions for us to discuss here today.
	But Richard, did you finish what you wanted to present?
	And I especially liked everything you did with Building 7.
	I'd be glad to see that all over again on another occasion.
	But when you mentioned thermite, it was unclear whether you meant To be attributing the destruction of Building 7 to termite, nanothermite, superthermite, or weather, you know, as Danny Jankowicz and many other experts, even had Dan Rather, as you asserted, repeat it.
	He said, this just looks like the destruction of those casinos and resorts in Las Vegas we see all the time, which, of course, it was.
	It was a classic controlled demolition.
	So, What we had there with the NIST guy is just a big time liar, and we all know that in Washington, the bigger the liar, the further you go.
	Richard.
	Yeah, thanks, Jim.
	And just concluding with Building 7 before we launch real quick into the Twin Towers, what we found is we have all the features of a controlled demolition and standard controlled demolition plus many very unique features, uncharacteristic.
	But first of all, a sudden onset of destruction at the base of the structure.
	Two, a straight down symmetrical collapse into the building's footprint.
	Three, A patterned removal of column supports.
	That's how we get symmetrical.
	That's the only way we get symmetrical destruction for resulting in a free fall acceleration as fast as a bowling ball falling out of the sky.
	Into the number five, total dismemberment of the individual moment-resisting structural steel elements required independent severing of almost all of those connections.
	So you bring a 47-story building into a pile about four or five stories tall, so all those beams had to be disconnected.
	All at once, with limited damage to adjacent structures.
	Number seven, sounds of explosions heard by witnesses.
	Number eight, pyroclastic like clouds, which we didn't look at today, indicating extreme heat.
	Number nine, the evidence of molten steel and iron and extreme temperatures at Building 7, in addition to the Twin Towers, unaccountable for completely by the official narrative that fire brought these buildings down.
	And we saw the evidence of thermite incendiaries, yes.
	So, we do believe that the evidence is very irrefutable.
	And shows and reveals the forensic evidence, controlled demolition with thermite.
	But let's see what happens to the Twin Towers.
	First of all, looking at the North Tower on the right, compared to a known controlled demolition on the left, what do we have?
	Do you want a screen share, Richard?
	You're not showing your screen, so you may want to share to get those images up there.
	Well, thank you, Jim.
	I'm sorry.
	It looks like I have to stop and then restart.
	Let's do just that.
	Not a problem.
	And here we go.
	Computer sound and steering.
	Is that better?
	Oh, I can't hear you all of a sudden, Jim.
	Did you go on mute?
	Yes, better.
	And I don't know if you want to back up about those key bullet points you made with Building 7 being a classic controlled demolition.
	I believe that is an issue on which Judy, you and I would all agree.
	I think this is absolutely definitive.
	It's the government that's the outsider here.
	Yeah, this is all good.
	That's a wonderful slide, Richard.
	Thanks for pointing that out.
	All these 10 key characteristic features are direct evidence of destruction with explosives.
	In this case, we believe incendiaries specifically.
	And none of it can be accounted for by the official narrative of destruction by fire, for all the reasons that we talked about and a whole lot more.
	It's all proof of controlled demolition.
	A body of proof that we can go ahead and apply to the Twin Towers, looking on the right, the North Tower, and on the left, compared to a controlled demolition.
	Once again, in the first four seconds at least, We have.
	Do we have what we expect?
	It looks like the old hotels in Las Vegas, a sudden symmetrical or nearly symmetrical drop.
	Does it even is there any similarity between the two?
	Enough similarity to warrant an investigation into the possible use of explosives, especially since fire, the official cause of this building's collapse, has never in history brought down a steel frame fire-protected skyscraper ever.
	Well, it was relegated to the very frequently asked questions on NIST's website.
	It wasn't seriously examined at all, even though the firefighters Talk about all of these explosions.
	I heard that friggin' noise.
	Pop, pop, pop.
	The charges on certain floors in controlled demolition.
	That's when I saw the building coming down.
	Saw a brief number of light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15.
	You saw about six of these brief flashes accompanied by a crackling sound before the tower collapsed.
	There's 156 of similar quotes here.
	And it's amazing, because I can't read you all of these, but you can see them in our documentary, 9-11 Explosive Evidence Experts Speak Out.
	And that is on our website, which is richardgage911.org.
	I saw low-level flashes.
	I saw flash, flash, flash.
	These are individual flashes around the building, in different parts of the building, indicating isolated explosives I see.
	And then and then it looked like the building coming down.
	All this phenomena is talking about the actual order of events.
	These pops, these flashes, some call them firecrackers before.
	The tower came down with each popping sound initially in orange and then a red flash came out of the building.
	Then we just go all the way around the building on both sides.
	Let's see what they're talking about.
	Looking at the south tower on the right, a known controlled demolition on the left.
	Again, is there any similarity?
	Enough to warrant an investigation into the possible use of explosives?
	Even this firefighter Says, I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building.
	That's how loud it was.
	This is the assistant commissioner of FDNY.
	Another loud boom at the upper floors.
	Then a series of smaller explosions.
	We're gonna see a lot of small independent explosions.
	Not one big one.
	Appear to go completely around the building at the upper floors.
	Another loud earth-shattering blast and a large fireball which blew out more debris.
	That one sounds like a big one.
	Uh, you know, like when they demolish a building, lower level, lower, lower level of the building.
	That's what I thought I saw.
	Uh, do you see any flashes?
	I said, yeah.
	Well, I thought it was just me.
	He said, no, uh, I saw them too.
	Everybody thinks at that point there was still these things were blown up, so I was fully expecting anything else to blow up.
	The firefighters are experiencing all these individual explosions before the towers ever came down, and in some cases before the planes hit the buildings.
	The seismic equipment is picking up explosions documented by Professor Graham McQueen.
	That's a whole other issue we won't have time to jump into today, but listen to some of these As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway.
	There was a heavy-duty explosion.
	The whole building just collapsed on us, inside the lobby.
	Was that a secondary explosion?
	Yes, it was.
	Definitely a secondary explosion.
	I heard a second explosion, and another rumble.
	An hour later than that, we had that big explosion, from much, much lower.
	It just went ba-boom, like a bomb went off.
	And another explosion came right from it, just everyone flying.
	There were numerous secondary explosions taking place in that building.
	There were continuous explosions.
	The first explosion, then there was a second explosion in the same building.
	There's about a hundred of those too.
	Listen to... So let's jump ahead because I want to...
	The official narrative tells us that the upper block above the point of jet plane impacts drove the rest of the building down to the ground.
	They call this the crush-down, crush-up theory, but it completely violates the laws of physics.
	The upper part's the lightest, the weakest part.
	When you run a Volkswagen into a Mack truck, which one wins?
	The Mack truck.
	Doesn't matter if you drop the Volkswagen on the Mack truck.
	The upper part can't possibly destroy the cold, heavy, intact steel below, which is getting heavier and heavier and heavier and heavier and heavier until at the bottom you have 52 inches by 22 inch steel, which is almost solid.
	No, the upper block can't do that.
	All of this came out in a paper Two days after 9-11, a very sophisticated paper by this mathematical wizard, Zdenek Bazant from Chicago Northwestern University, it remains the theoretical basis for NIST's column theory, but it's completely fraudulent because they decreased, they increased the mass up above by a factor of
	Two, and they decreased the column strength below by a factor of three.
	So finally, engineers like Tony Zambotti decoded this, and it's incredible because he just completely pulled the rug out from underneath Zdenek Bizant, proving massive fraud here.
	But we're going to jump ahead to the North Tower now.
	If the upper part was destroying the lower part, We would see that happening in the videos.
	But what we see look instead is look at the lower red line.
	It doesn't go down.
	The upper part is telescoping down itself.
	Its internal structural solidity is being completely compromised.
	And Jim and I will discuss what's doing that.
	But it's not driving the rest of the building down to the ground.
	So we'll jump ahead now and Get to the juicy part.
	By the way, if there was an upper part driving the rest of the building down, you would see it in any of the photographs or videos, but none of them show that.
	They show a massive mushrooming set of explosions instead.
	And if there were an upper part, You wouldn't see these remaining few core columns if it was being crushed by this upper part.
	They would have been crushed too, right?
	No.
	Six seconds later, this 12, 14 core columns that remain finally Bite the dust.
	And I don't mean dustification.
	You can see the upper part of this column descending frame by frame through the dust that's been shaken off of this column.
	And frame by frame, you see the whole thing in its solidity move down.
	It's not been dustified.
	It sure looks like it.
	Though, I mean, look at the building North Tower on the left compared to a volcanic eruption on the right with upward-outward arching streamers, a geometry of fireworks freely flying structural steel sections trailed by thick white smoke clouds.
	Why?
	Structural steel is not flammable.
	These are office fire conditions.
	Even jet fuel, which its manufacturer, ME Petroleum, says only burns at 600 degrees Fahrenheit, can't possibly melt steel, much less cause it to be on fire.
	So what caused the ends of the beams to be on fire?
	A thermite is the only logical explanation in our view.
	And we look at the South Tower, What we see is, like the firefighters described, wrapping all the way around the building.
	Uniform sets of explosions traveling down the face of the building.
	Multiple individual explosions that, when we zoom into this corner, is exactly what we see.
	Multiple explosions, dozen of them in this looped video, maybe two dozen.
	Individual explosions in the leading corner of this destruction, which is 20 floors below what we're told was a gravitational collapse.
	In addition to the squibs, which we'll get to in a moment, these isolated explosive ejections even further below this, that one there.
	An incredible video which really reveals what's going on.
	You can see the same corner in the lower right of this.
	Look at these individual explosions blowing out floor by floor, or every third floor perhaps, down the face of this building.
	Individual isolated explosions which send materials Uh, eventually 600 feet in every direction with an incredible degree of high energy, which is why those of us in the in the The camp of thermite, don't say only thermite.
	No, thermite's not going to, in our view, produce the energy required to shoot a four-ton structural steel section laterally.
	And there are thousands of them that reach a 1,400-foot diameter.
	No, it must be high-energy explosives as well.
	Destroying the Winter Garden 600 feet away with these four and eight ton structural steel sections.
	The steel frame is completely broken up.
	The steel is distributed, not disappeared, not testified, but distributed in a 1400 foot diameter.
	The interior of Building 6, which you see with the big crater in it, was, we believe, the target of another controlled demolition.
	Whether completed or not, the explosives seem to have taken out the core of the Treasury Building, which was the scene of one of the largest financial heists ever in history, which you can look at the work of James Corbett.
	911 trillions.
	Follow the money.
	He does an excellent job.
	So look at the isolated explosive ejections in more detail, 20 stories below and 40 stories below the zone of destruction.
	These are, and 60 stories below, the zone of destruction.
	What can explain these?
	Not nuclear weapons, not dustification, but mistimed localized explosions.
	Yes, in fact, you can see dozens of them right here on the left side of the tower, South Tower, before it begins to internally disintegrate due to the explosions taking apart its structural perimeter and core frames.
	In this looped video, you see dozens of them right coming out of the left all at once.
	And so as it begins to tip, since it doesn't have a solid mass, it can't fall off like we'd expect.
	But it's internally destroyed, so it settles back and goes down and then is distributed.
	In a 600 feet in every direction.
	These squibs are actually isolated and documented by physicists at 160 to 200 feet per second.
	Incredible speeds.
	In fact, the towers fall at an incredible speed, too.
	We can just time it.
	Here's three seconds, five seconds.
	In 10 seconds, in about a dozen seconds, the entire building is completely destroyed all the way down to the ground.
	How fast is that?
	We're here tracking the motion of the roof line at two tenths second intervals through approximately 32 meters or eight stories.
	This graph shows the height of the roof line as a function of time.
	Analysis is simpler if we plot velocity as a function of time.
	On this kind of a graph, a straight line indicates constant acceleration.
	First note that there is a sudden onset of collapse, as the point we are tracking makes a sudden transition from being at rest to an approximately constant downward acceleration.
	The slope of the graph indicates that the acceleration is 6.31 meters per second squared downward, which is 64% of freefall.
	That's almost free fall, guys.
	That's getting faster and faster with each floor and each second.
	It's not slowing down when it meets what?
	An incredible facade, which is more steel than glass.
	Not even slowing it down.
	When beams buckle, they still provide a minimum of 25 columns, I mean, a minimum of 25% of their original strength, meaning they would slow down, they would provide resistance.
	But it's as if nothing is underneath the tower whatsoever supporting it.
	And so we look at the National Fire Protection Association, the guide, and it says, hey, look for shrapnel effects, high order damage characterized by shattering the structure, producing small pulverized debris with great with the building completely demolished and debris thrown great distances.
	That's what we have here.
	Shrapnel effects, reducing the original structure frame into its original components.
	And then we also say, look for, they say, look for blast pressure wave effects.
	Heavy structural pieces freely flying, impelling themselves in surrounding buildings.
	And you can see these freely flying structural steel sections weighing four and eight tons, ejected laterally.
	Wait a minute.
	Look at this one.
	Back, two, three, forward, two, three.
	That's out.
	How does gravity work down?
	This is out.
	What is the force required to send all of the structural steel sections out?
	Must be very explosive.
	Jim and I will talk about the source of those explosions.
	So there's, by the way, if 100,000 tons of structural steel is distributed outside the footprint, what's crushing the building?
	There's only a two, three-story pile of steel at the bottom of the pile.
	Maybe four.
	So, what's crushing the building?
	It's not the steel.
	That's a hundred thousand tons in each building.
	Maybe it's the concrete.
	Because, let's look for it.
	In a real gravitational collapse on the right, you see pancakes.
	That's what a building looks like when it pancakes, when it collapses by gravity.
	What we see on the left is that pile of steel.
	Well, where's the concrete?
	Where are the pancakes?
	Each floor was an acre in size, four and eight inches thick concrete.
	Oh, there it is, pulverized in midair.
	Before it ever reaches the ground, all the photos, all the videos show 90,000 tons of concrete in each building, blown to 100 micron particles on average, like baby powder.
	Jim and I will talk about what could be responsible for that.
	Is thermite responsible for that?
	I don't think so, but maybe nanothermite is.
	I'm not sure.
	But I do believe high-energy explosives were deployed to achieve those individual isolated explosions.
	But we have the evidence in the dust.
	We don't have to look further.
	In fact, the USGS does it for us.
	30% of that powder is concrete spread all over lower Manhattan.
	If that's the case, then what's crushing the building?
	It wasn't the steel.
	Jim and I will agree, it's not the concrete either.
	There's nothing crushing the building.
	This is two-thirds of the weight of the building.
	And yet all that weight was used in the mass calculations to drive down the rest of the building by Zdenek Bizon in Chicago Northwestern University.
	It's a complete lie.
	We had 2,753 victims, but only 300 whole bodies were found.
	21,000 pieces of bodies!
	They weren't, well, 6,000 of them were small enough to fit into a test tube.
	200 pieces matched to one single person.
	This is a very explosive event which, because 1,000 victims, 1,100 remain completely unaccounted for, they're vaporized.
	What can do that?
	Jim and I have a disagreement.
	We'll talk about that, but the distribution is 800 feet outside of each tower.
	For these pieces of bodies, we'd expect them to be trapped, most of them in between floors.
	Those who didn't jump, God bless all of their souls, we still pray for them.
	But a gravitational collapse cannot cause this degree of pulverization and distribution.
	So what we have is direct evidence of destruction with explosives.
	Fire doesn't create That kind of destruction, any of it, let alone all of it.
	The reporters on that day, 36 percent, 36 out of 40 of the reporters on the ground on that day reporting sounds of explosions and explosions and being blown around by explosions, not just the firefighters we talked about earlier, but the reporters themselves.
	And the story gets hijacked the next day.
	And by the mainstream media, and they have a whole different event.
	We have explosions documented by seismic evidence before the planes even hit the towers.
	This is corroborated not only by Andre Rousseau, seismologist, but by the work of Professor Graham McQueen and eyewitnesses like Willie Rodriguez and others who saw or heard explosions in the building before the plane hit.
	So this is corroborated, but also the explosions before the building's collapse corroborating the work and the testimony of the first responders.
	We also have an incredible Pulling out of the rug from underneath NIST and its report, Professor Graham McQueen documents that the tripod-mounted cameras are shaking six seconds, ten seconds, various seconds for the two different buildings before the buildings collapse, corroborating the seismic analysis by Professor Andre Rousseau also.
	So we have a number of problems here, Jim, and we've got to get to the bottom of it.
	And the NIST report does anything but that.
	10,000 pages, 20 years.
	Well, four years they had to produce this $20 million, 10,000 pages.
	Well, four years they had to produce this $20 million, 10,000 pages.
	There we go.
	Why?
	They were tasked by Congress to explain why and how these towers collapse, but they didn't do it.
	They had a secret objective of their own.
	They only went up to the initiation of collapse.
	They said it doesn't include the structural behavior of the tower for the conditions collapse initiation were reached and collapse became inevitable.
	What?
	You spent all this money and you have half a page on the events following the collapse initiation?
	Well, all it says is the floors below were unable to arrest the moving mass.
	It's pure speculation.
	There's no collapse analysis whatsoever, though.
	That's what they were tasked to do by Congress.
	A complete fabrication.
	Experts agree.
	Yeah, this is a controlled demolition, at least those experts without financial or political obligations that might sway their objective opinion.
	And many of these experts actually Now supporting the official story originally didn't, but something got to them.
	So yeah, we have a huge problem and it all amounts to direct evidence of destruction with explosives.
	Fire can't create any one of these features, let alone all of them.
	So we find this to be proof of controlled demolition.
	Let's get to the discussion, Jim.
	Oh, Richard, I'm just ecstatic.
	I think this is wonderful.
	And of course, I really have always liked what you were doing with Building 7.
	I just wanted to disentangle that issue of thermite as whether or not that was being assigned responsibility for Building 7 as well.
	Classic controlled demolition without any question whatsoever.
	I like very much that you have broadened Your scope to include the Twin Towers, because originally architects and engineers were only focusing on Building 7.
	I very much like, too, that you're open about other sources of energy being responsible.
	We are actually witnessing the destruction of the building.
	What we see externally, blowing apart in every direction from the top down.
	All the floors remain stationary until they, as Morgan Reynolds put it, Meet their kingdom come we have a building being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust which is distributed all over and those dust all over the city as you are recording and most important.
	I would add to your discussion when it's over.
	There's no pile of debris there.
	We have from Building 7, 47 floors, the classic result of a controlled demolition, 5.5 floors.
	12% of 47, 5.5 floors.
	It's 12% of 47, five and a half floors.
	Well, 12% of 110 should have been about 13 and a half floors of debris and it's not there.
	Suggesting something caused it to disappear, Let me just add a couple of images of what you have and then we can engage about the thermite because I find the whole thing utterly fascinating.
	Everything.
	I like what you have done here, Richard.
	Extremely much.
	Very, very happy so.
	We have, of course.
	You see, here's the classic with the North Tower blowing apart in every direction.
	You've actually illustrated that very well.
	Now, Jim, I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
	Oh, you're not seeing what I'm seeing?
	You might be sharing your screen, but not with me.
	Yeah.
	OK, well, let me see what we got here, if I can.
	I was hoping I was doing a screen sharing from the beginning, but perhaps not.
	Can you see now?
	OK, OK, fascinating.
	So that may mean my earlier presentation didn't make it onto the screen.
	OK, well.
	We had, here we have, you know, the North Tower classic blowing apart from the top down.
	You've really portrayed that very well in detail.
	That retired high school math, physics, chemistry professor who did multiple calculation amount of upward resistance.
	Remember, you were emphasizing how light the Volkswagen truck versus the Mack truck.
	I like that as an analogy.
	The steel is so much thicker in the sub-basement, six-inch and five, going down to just a quarter of an inch thick at the top.
	So that top floors represent only like 1.6% of the mass and the idea would overcome the lower 98.4 is simply absurd.
	By one of his calculations, he had for every unit a downward force or 118 units of upward force.
	It was impossible for them to collapse.
	Could anyone look at this and imagine we're dealing with a collapse?
	And there, of course, we have Building 7 in the foreground.
	Now, Judy's talked a lot about this part of the North Power in terms of dustification.
	I don't have much problem with that idea.
	I mean, obviously, the buildings are being converted into these massive quantities of very fine dust, which I mentioned in passing as a signature of the use of nuclear devices. - Hold on, just to clarify that point, Jim, the concrete, that powder is concrete and gypsum mostly.
	There's no evidence by the USGS or RJ Lee or anybody else that there's actually steel dust in the dust.
	So I'm with you in opposing the theory of the directed energy weapons and the dustification. - Yeah, so I wanna get to the contents of the dust.
	Here I just wanna sketch the alternative that was done with mini nukes in the sub-basement because the design is, you know, the tube within a tube design On this account, we're destroying the building from the bottom up with regard to the inner tube, the massive 47 core columns.
	And then it has the effect of destroying the outer tube from the top down, as we see visibly externally.
	Here is part of the contents of the U.S.
	Geological Survey.
	Sure.
	One of my many problems with the nuke theory is that the blast would have been so massive, and there were blasts that were heard, as you know, but then somehow this energy is supposed to go all the way up to the point of jet plane impacts without busting any of the gypsum board enclosures, not concrete, around the elevator hoistway,
	And then without blowing out en masse through windows and so forth and gypsum board getting all the way up to the point of jet plane impacts and then all of a sudden stopping through some magical process and then going out and then working its way back down the building floor by floor in those with isolated explosive explosions.
	I think those are good points, Richard.
	Now, with regard to the U.S.
	Geological Survey, it included a lot of elements that would not have been present had it not been a nuclear event.
	Barium and strontium, for example, thorium, uranium, lithium, lanthanum, yttrium, chromium, tritium, many of which only exist in radioactive form.
	And I'm sure you're aware, Richard, of how many Locals, you know, and first responders suffered patterns of medical malady that were similar to those at Chernobyl, where the total number of deaths, I think, now is approaching 70,000.
	You mentioned that ejection of massive debris, steel and assembly.
	Sorry, I need one quick comment on the slide before this.
	Regarding those radioactive materials, if that's true, and there's those, as you know, who reject that there were anything much more than about background levels, but if regardless, is it possible that those could have been planted in a dirty bomb or a bomb that is planted to make it look like there were nuclear?
	Not a bomb, but a release.
	So is that possible?
	Well, let me come to that.
	I'm fine with that.
	You were mentioning the degree of the massive steel assembly.
	Now, here I think are perhaps the key issues.
	Jet fuel fires, and we agree on this, even if they burn hot enough and long enough, would cause the building to sag and gradually collapse.
	In fact, the black smoke showed it was not.
	Burning very intensely because black smoke's indicative of an oxygen-deprived fire, but the whole effect would have been completely different, sagging, gradual, and only partial.
	Jet fuel could not have ejected 300 tons at a 45-degree angle and 600 feet outward into the winter garden.
	You made a point like that yourself.
	Now, here's rather crucial.
	To exploit steel, an explosive needs to have a detonation velocity of 6,100 meters per second.
	To explode cement, a detonation velocity of 3,200 meters per second.
	Kerosene, the principal constituent of nanothermite, object fuel, only has a detonation velocity of 1,600 meters.
	Nanothermite itself And this is rather striking.
	Only has a detonation velocity of 895 meters.
	This has been interpreted, including by myself, as a reason to believe that many nukes might have been involved.
	But look.
	Quick point.
	Yeah.
	But what is the detonation velocity of high energy explosives?
	I think it could meet that criteria also.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think that's good, Richard, that we Let me talk about the nanothermite first and come back, because I really like your open-mindedness, and I thought your presentation was excellent.
	It seems to me there are three different ways nanothermite could have entered the equation.
	Number one, of course, is using the thermite to destroy the beams in the aftermath.
	I mean, we have those clear-cut beams.
	That's not from the destruction of the building, that's from the cleanup.
	Number two, the aluminum cladding surrounding the external steel support columns, which of course are steel, which is iron and carbon, there's an interaction between the aluminum and the steel and the iron that would yield the kinds of nanothermic chips that have been so much the focus of your and Steve's research.
	But wait, the chips, sorry, quick point, the chips are dual-layered.
	Iron oxide, aluminum powder on one side, and a matrix material on the other side, indicating they were applied by a fluid, and then blown apart into these individual chips, which were then analyzed.
	So, no way could the steel in the frame account for that, and the aluminum cladding.
	Well, that's interesting.
	During the process of, say, a nuclear device, it would have brought about the effect of producing those chips,
	It's interesting and important that we agree that the nanothermite itself could not have blown the buildings apart, that it could have been a contributing factor, but I think if I understand your position correctly, in neither the case of the Building 7 nor the 1 and 2, were you attributing what happened solely to thermite or nanothermite?
	I think thermite or nanothermite was exclusively used at Building 7 because although witnesses heard explosions, they weren't the blasts associated with controlled demolitions that would have been more easily picked up by microphones on cameras.
	So yeah, strictly I think nanothermite and thermite or just thermite Uh, uh, cutter charges, uh, shaped cutter charges and, uh, which are then, uh, dissolved in, in, in the, in the, in the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, process because they have cutters shaped cutter charges themselves that are made out of consolidated thermite patented prior to 9 11.
	In the case of the twin towers, I think most of the evidence that we're attributing to in terms of explosive force came from high energy explosives like C4 or RDX.
	C4 or RDX.
	Do you think the Gelatin Group could have been responsible for positioning those explosives?
	Certainly possible.
	They had access to the building.
	Yeah.
	For the audience who may not know, the Gelatin Group was a group of Israeli art students.
	Presumably hundreds were entered by the CIA, I believe, was approving their passports and they were occupying Positions in the Twin Towers and conducting performance art included outside of the building and I believe their role.
	Richard and I haven't reached a point of talking about that, was to construct the cookie cutter cutouts for the planes, because I'm convinced that all four of the crash sites on 9-11 were fabricated or faked, albeit in different ways.
	We are not going into that issue here, but it's a really important and devastating to the official narrative in my judgment.
	Where anyone who wants to go to my YouTube channel, Jim Fetzer, and check out my 9-11 special dedicated to Robert David Steele will see evidence.
	Considerable of the faking of the four crash sites in Shanksville.
	Of course, we have the reporters observing that the eerie aspect of the crash site was there was no sign that any plane had crashed there, which is most easily explicable by no plane having crashed there.
	In fact, pilots for 9-11 Truth Tracked at 9-11 flight 93 and found it was over Champaign-Urbana after it officially crashed in Shanksville just as they did for 175.
	I thought it was officially over Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania after it had crashed and where I tracked down the FAA registration and discovered the planes, the physical aircraft actually used for those flights were not even formally deregistered or taken out of service until 28 September 2005.
	So they were in the air four years later, which is pretty remarkable, all things considered, and they crashed.
	Richard, let me ask... Let me set up our next discussion on the planes, just by making a quick comment.
	Agreeing with you that they may not have been the original civilian aircraft that took off.
	Uh, that most pilots say, suggest that the planes, uh, would have to have to have been highly retrofitted by the military to achieve, uh, hitting a 200 foot wide target at, uh, 500 miles an hour.
	And even to fly at 500, uh, at sea level at 500 miles an hour.
	But we have, uh, uh, FDNY, uh, uh, witnesses who are picking up, uh, plane parts and others.
	Uh, one who was dedicated, uh, after the, the looking for, Survivor is dedicated to picking up plane parts under the supervision of the FBI.
	He'll be featured in our film putting these plane parts in these containers, trash type containers.
	Regarding the evidence of the opening in the Twin Towers, it's not a cookie cutter of an airplane.
	When you zoom in, what you see is a very orthogonal set of geometry around the outline of That impact zone, meaning that what the plane did, it had enough mass to push in and punch in, not shear, not cut the steel, but punch in these rectilinear forms of vertical column sections, three vertical columns by three spandrel panels that were only bolted with four five-eighths inch bolts.
	So they had to shear those bolts off And then at the wingtips, it's more like the steel was stronger than the wings at the ends.
	So while the wingtips cut the aluminum cladding, they were themselves shredded by the vertical steel columns beyond the aluminum cladding.
	And so we'll discuss that in greater detail.
	Oh yeah, well that would be fun for us to do more about this.
	I actually had Major General Albert Stubblebine, Army retired, was in charge of all U.S.
	military signals intelligence, gluing a photographic for a session where we reviewed, I mean, I'll find it, where we went through all the evidence I had, you know, the faking of all four of the crash sites.
	The general not only agreed with me, Richard, he gave more reasons why I was right.
	I hadn't turned to New York.
	We have reason to believe flights 11, North Tower, and 77 weren't even in the air that day.
	They're missing from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics records on every flight.
	But there's also massive evidence at the scene, you know, both in Shanksville and Pentagon of no real plane having hit either place crash or whatever.
	But I didn't expect us to turn that direction.
	I do find...
	It's preposterous, however, to think that a real plane hits, say, Building 7, for example, because it disappears its entire length into the building in the same number of frames it passes its entire length through air.
	Not Building 7.
	Which is a physical impossibility, unless a massive 500,000 tons of steel and concrete building provides no more resistance to the trajectory of an aircraft in flight than air.
	And, of course, We have the nose out phenomenon, of which I'm sure you're familiar, where they went to a fade to black because of hand-eye coordination.
	I don't think it's a secret.
	Most of the audience knows that this appears to me to have been a holographic projection in In New York City, because they discovered real planes when it crumbled external to the building.
	I mean, their design was so formidable, it was impossible physically to get a real plane into the building.
	So they had to fake it.
	They were ingenious.
	Richard Hall has a 3D Flight 175 radar study.
	He's out of the UK that I think got it exactly right to explain the impossible trajectory, meaning the flight speed.
	You were beginning to address that.
	The impossible entry, the nose out phenomenon.
	He actually found radar data For playing that was 1200 feet to the side that appears to have been the plane projecting the image that then was flown into the towers so they could get it inside.
	They had to get it inside before it exploded in order to have a justification for claiming the buildings had collapsed.
	But Richard, that is.
	Well, beyond what I expected us to discuss today, I really like everything you've been doing here, and I'm so glad it's broader than what was the original scope of architects and engineers.
	Do you now, in your independent role, address who is responsible and why for 9-11?
	I mean, Judy won't do it.
	Architects and engineers in the past, not.
	Scholars have long since explained it was compliments of the CIA, the neocons, and the Department of Defense and Mossad that basically this was an Israeli ob to draw American forces into the Middle East so they could be used to take out the modern Arab states that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and then eventually
	Against a Persian nation of Iran, and a lot of that played out until Russian and Iranian forces came to the aid of Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
	Do you now in your role, unlike architects, address the responsibility issue?
	No, what I do is refer those who ask these excellent questions to those who've actually done the research.
	like yourself and like Christopher Boleyn and Kevin Ryan, who wrote the book Another 19.
	Yeah.
	Christopher Boleyn's book, Solving 9-11.
	These are excellent works that, but by researchers who do research that I am not, A, I'm not, I don't have the time for it, B, it takes me out of my realm of technical credibility as an architect. it takes me out of my realm of technical credibility And an architect who has assembled 3,600 architects and engineers signed on to the petition demanding a new investigation into the destruction of all three of these towers.
	Not who did it.
	So, So, that's the reason I remain leery of making any claims or providing evidence myself, but I will interview those who do, which is different in the evolution of my work over at AE911Truth when I was there.
	Richard, I'm just real happy with what you are presenting here today.
	Bolin's work on the politics, I feel he's less strong on the science, but I love his work on the politics.
	Alan Sebroski and a host of others, of course, have been the tail on Israel here.
	I frankly have no doubt about it whatsoever.
	And the Israeli domination of our Congress is unfortunately great tragedy for the United States.
	Because we're being played again and again.
	I believe that extends now into our support for Ukraine, because Israel would like to turn Ukraine into the new Israel.
	This is far removed from your and my direct conversation here about 9-11.
	But listen, Richard, I've just been extremely pleased with your presentation.
	I would like you to have the opportunity for a few final words, closing thoughts.
	Oh, thanks.
	I appreciate it so much.
	I encourage people to not sit on this information.
	That's like the worst thing you can do, or just be entertained by it.
	You at home looking at this evidence now have enough information to be incentivized to share this solid information backed by the work of 3,600 architects and engineers.
	Take the documentary on our website RichardGage911.org and Get it out.
	Get that link, that website, out to every architect and every engineer that you can find.
	Everybody else that you know.
	As Jim has pointed out relentlessly over the last several decades, we're losing our country.
	We've probably already lost it.
	This is an emergency.
	You've heard of the FDA declaring an emergency so that we all have to take those clot shots.
	Well, this is a greater It's not greater.
	It's a huge emergency.
	We're losing our country to tyrants in power, and the Republican and the Democratic parties.
	This two-winged bird of the duopoly must be exposed.
	And we feel 9-11 is the clearest way to expose it, because the evidence is scientific, forensic, and irrefutable, and overwhelming.
	And if you just take the basics that we provided you today to your local representatives and the media, you can begin to do your part to change history.
	I'm doing my part.
	Jim's doing his part.
	What are you going to do at home?
	We're waiting.
	We want to hear.
	In fact, let Jim know what you're going to do with this information.
	Richard, I'm so pleased having you here.
	RichardGage911.org, check it out.
	If you want more about scholars, you can check out too at 911scholars.org.
	You can go to my Bitu channel and do a review on 9-11, but I'm just delighted to have had you here today, Richard, and I would welcome having you back again.
	Thank you, Jim.
	Would love to do that.
	We got a lot of subjects we can go into.
	Super!
	Just absolutely super!
	Tremendous.
	Sorry, I couldn't take callers today, but I think we covered a lot of bases and there's much more coming in the future.
	Perhaps I could bring in others who have done a lot of research on the use of nukes in relation, because this is an issue I think that is deserving of further discussion and review.
	Richard, I can't thank you enough, my friend, for being here today.

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