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Back to the Awake Nation for this Thursday, the 20th of April, 2023.
Joining us now, as he does just about every week at this time, is Dr. James Fetzer.
His blog is jameshfetzer.org.
Along with him is Brian Davidson, a Panoramic investigations.
So, Dr. Fetzer, the last time you and I talked, you had received some interesting information about a couple of the alleged victims of the Sandy Hook Massacre who were supposed to appear on some British talk show to announce that the whole thing had been staged.
And then they were coming to visit you and something happened.
Can you update us on that, Dr. Fetzer?
Well, David, yes.
I believe that if you commit a blunder or a mistake, it's appropriate to correct it at the earliest opportunity in the same venue.
And that business about the BBC and Majesty magazine was not right.
Brian, who's with me, has had a very beneficial role.
In making me realize that I perhaps have been too eager to believe certain aspects of the story.
So what I want to do today is review the parts I'm sure I have right and then turn to the parts I'm sure I have wrong and explain where I'm uncertain and where we can go from here.
So yeah, the latest on Sandy Hook have I been played at least in part.
And Brian has been very instrumental in Giving me a way to look at this, it may shed light.
You all know from the next slide, yeah, my background is a former Marine Corps officer, retired professor of philosophy, student of many cases, JFK 9-11 and more.
Now the third slide, These are ways you can decide what to believe, what you think to be true.
The a priori method, you just think hard, accept what you personally find convicting.
The method of nastiness, hold on to whatever beliefs you have and reject the rest regardless.
The method of authority, draw on information by those regarded as experts in authority.
Or the method of science, fashion questions, investigate with observation, measurement, experiment.
Compare other ways you might make up your mind.
Coin tossing, you know, is it true or false?
Well, flip a coin, heads true, tails false, crystal ball reading, tarot card.
There are lots of ways people can form beliefs.
We've never seen you with a crystal ball, Dr. Fetzer.
And I don't think we ever will.
But easily the most reliable has been the method of science.
Now, here's a really key consideration.
We have objective measures of evidential support.
These are defined by the principles of logic, inductive and deductive, versus degrees of subjective conviction.
We can have a very strong degree of subjective conviction in the case in spite of evidence to the contrary, you know?
This occurs in many different contexts.
Some people think, you know, Donald Trump is some kind of monster.
Others hold him in high esteem.
If you weigh and balance, there is somewhere in the middle more favorable to him than disfavorable.
The point being that we don't want to confound the difference between subjective opinion and objective evidence.
And I, as a professional philosopher of science, having offered courses in logic, critical thinking, scientific reading for 35 years, actually teach those principles of objective reasoning.
So the question becomes here, Have I been affected by, for example, my keen friendship with my primary source to believe some things that maybe aren't objectively warranted?
And of course it all revolves around the next slide, the book.
Where I brought together 13 experts and we established a school that had been closed at least by 2008.
It turns out now it was actually closed in 2006, that there were no students or teachers there, that it was a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control.
All that, there is no doubt whatsoever.
Let's do a quick review here with the next slide.
The FEMA drill presented as mass murder was listed on the Bridgeport, Connecticut FEMA schedule as Exercise 366, beginning at 8 a.m.
on 12-13-12, ending at 11-59, then presented as a live event on the 14th.
That's the day the massacre is supposed to have occurred.
But we have an FBI 2012 Consolidated Crime Report showing no deaths in Newtown, which of course includes Sandy Hook as the division.
We even had the Department of Education of the Obama Admin telling Paul Preston that it had been a drill, no kids had been harmed, and it was done to promote gun control.
So just take a look at the next, and here I'm just really just reviewing What we know, I think, for virtual certainty, I mean beyond reasonable doubt, they had it on the FEMA schedule.
If you go to the next slide, David, they actually conducted classes at a hospital there in Bridgeport, St.
Vincent.
FEMA was using it.
They even provided a map.
The next slide, and I like the fact it's got Dickinson driving a spell because that also occurred on a kindergarten card that was supposed to be for Noah Posner.
Here's a FEMA drill now in the next that we actually published in the book about when it began, when it ended, everyone must sign in with a controller upon arrival, all that sort of thing.
The next slide shows it was being run by one Tom Romano.
And to the best of my knowledge, Tom Romano continues to run these events for FEMA.
Then you have this contributor to my book, Yeah, there you have the Consolidated Crime Report for the FBI showing no murders or non-negligent manslaughter in Newtown, meaning none in Sandy Hook, either, or zero.
Then you got Paul Preston reporting how He himself as a school administrator supervised active shooter drills, and he was disturbed by what he saw being broadcast from Newtown that day, so he reached out to his contacts in the Obama Department of Education, all of whom confirmed to him That it had been a drill, that no children had been harmed, and it was done to promote gun control.
And, of course, the payoff came in January, just a month and two days later, when, as the next slide shows, Barack Obama signed no less than 23 executive orders that constrain our access to weapons under the Second Amendment.
So that was a payoff.
That was the objective.
I've gone on and on, you know, and other parts of substantiating all this, so I just want to do a brief review, a thumbnail review.
Then next, what else do we know?
That crime scene vehicle was on the scene before they had completed the staging.
Brian himself did brilliant work on this.
He's a private investigator licensed in Texas.
We did an interview about investigative techniques where he's mastered them and we wanted to share them with others.
So I sent him a photograph with no background or identification.
He was right on it.
Analyze have been taken the evening of the 14th of December 2012, which is supposed to be after the event has occurred.
Now, we did an interview.
Here's the report we did on investigative tools.
Brian was able to use shadow analysis to identify exactly when... Yeah, you can go to the next slide, David.
Exactly when, where it was taken.
Here's the photograph, which is so telling.
This is, in my opinion, one of the most definitive proofs that this was a staged event.
Because by Brian's analysis, it's already on the 14th.
But look, while the crime scene investigative vehicle is there, just above the crime scene you can see that row of four windows in Classroom 10 and they're undamaged.
Well, they just haven't completed faking the scene, because they would make it damaged.
Look here, yeah, look at the right compared to the left.
In that photograph, they're undamaged.
On the right, they are damaged.
We have photos of Burbs looking at what they're going to do.
They actually drilled holes in the aluminum frame.
I mean, it's just absurd.
Brian was so good with his expertise that he actually did an appendix for me when I went to the Supreme Court to appeal their rejection of my initial petition for a writ of certiorari.
He got in to the Connecticut State Police Photo Archive and discovered all kinds of photos that contradict the official account.
Look at the next one, David.
This is down the hallway.
We're supposed to have a dead principal and a dead school psychologist and a pool of blood.
Not only no bodies, no pools of blood.
Look at the next.
Here's inside one of the classrooms.
We should have had a bunch of bodies, blood all over the place.
No body, no blood.
The furniture and other photographs you can see is pushed up against the wall.
So Brian not only discovered evidence that there hadn't been a mass murderer, but that it wasn't even a functional school.
Here again, you'll see on the next his signature page, at this point in time my position is the evidence appears to be more consistent with the alternative account of a female exorcist presented as mass murderer to promote gun control.
This was not an insignificant case, as the next slide shows.
In fact, State of the Nation described it as.
This may be the single most important issue brought before the Supreme Court in our lifetime.
Not just this term, not just this session, in our lifetime, David, and that's because it has to do with our right to a trial by jury and whether we're entitled to equal justice under the law in all of the states.
So all that is good as gold.
Next, we have further evidence in about specific Kids were supposed to be decedents, and we know about the Noah Posner anomalies.
They used photos to fake a dead six-year-old.
Kelly Watt, my colleague, noticed Noah looked a whole lot like Michael Vavner, who was supposed to be his older half-brother.
Same eyes, eyebrow, mouth, nose, shape of head, ears.
Larry Rivera created a GIF where you can see Noah turning into Michael.
Michael currently performs as a stand-up comedian in Cambridge.
He ain't dead at all.
But look here on the next couple slides.
You see, you know, they've got so much mileage.
Here you see the three.
You did skip the one, David, but it's no matter.
These are the three I'm talking about.
Emily Parker, yeah.
Remembering the 26 victims.
And then you switch to the next.
Here are the three I'm talking about.
Emily Parker, Noah Posner, and Vicky Soto, who actually was supposed to be a teacher who died heroically saving her kids.
On the next you'll see Michael Vavner, he was in college.
You go further, you see a comparison of Michael and Noah.
Go further, these are some of the photographs I sent to Larry.
Larry created a GIF And if we're lucky, if you go to the next slide, the GIF will actually play for us.
Look at that.
Isn't that a miracle?
Seriously, Noah Bosner turning into Michael Vabner.
I don't know how you could have a more definitive... That is the smoking gun right there.
It always has been.
Isn't it a beauty?
And then, as you see on the next slide, Michael Wagner is performing at the Comedy Studio in Cambridge, Mass.
I mean, he's very much alive and well.
Okay, so mark one for Noah, alive and well.
Next, we got Robbie Parker grieving for Emily, one of the most touching stories.
He's jocular, pauses to hyperventilate, then grieves for Emily coming out of a building.
We have photos showing Emily on the right with her cousins, who are actually presented to us as her sisters, but they're not her sisters, they are her cousins.
This isn't her father, this is her uncle.
Emily even attended the drill and now has her own gravestone.
She's alive and well and speaking out about a gargantuan scam.
So if you go to the next, David, we can play just a couple minutes, you know, of Robbie doing his thing, because it's so egregious.
In a situation like this, I remember at Virginia Tech when I went out there, parents, loved ones of slain young people wanted to remember their sons and their daughters.
And as a result, they spoke and made a statement.
So we'll see if Robbie Parker, I assume he's going to come out to the microphones now and make a statement.
Looks like the family is there and they're getting ready to make to come to the microphone.
So we'll listen.
- Can you start? - Okay.
So my name's Robbie Parker.
My family is one of the families that lost a child yesterday in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings here in Connecticut.
I've been contacted by so many people and agencies wanting to know How we're doing, and I just thought that this might be the best way to share those feelings with everybody.
First of all, I'd really like to offer our deepest condolences to all the families who were directly affected by this shooting.
It's a horrific tragedy, and we want everybody to know that our hearts and our prayers go out to them.
This includes the family of the shooter.
I can't imagine How hard this experience must be for you.
And I want you to know that our family and our love and our support goes out to you as well.
You can flip to the next, David.
The big telling thing here is that, excuse my language, shit-eating grin on his face and then the big deep breaths.
Get ready!
Get ready!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was there in the courtroom, by the way, when they announced this huge verdict, nearly a billion dollars against Alex Jones in that mock trial there, where Robert Barnes, who's quite a brilliant attorney, was actually in the courtroom.
He said it was unlike any he'd ever seen.
They have three cameras, one focused just on the jury.
It looked to him like a made-for-TV movie.
And they're talking about how this sets a high barrier for anyone who wants to be like Alex Jones.
Meaning, if you call out any of these fake shootings, then you could be liable for some massive punishment, just as happened to Alex Jones.
And surely you don't want that to happen to you.
Well, here you got the devastated family and all that.
If you go to the next slide, you'll see this actually turned out to be photoshopped.
That's Emily on the right-hand side.
She was shopped in there.
This isn't actually bona fide.
If you go down one more, yeah, on the left, that's Emily in the pink shirt.
She was there in the crowd.
In the crowd on the 14th, I mean not among the decedents of course, they have a grave site for her.
There's a Caudill family, this is in Utah, and then there's a Parker grave.
She was very upset because they buried a black Uh, African-American girl doll in her grave.
There's no body in there.
In fact, most of these grave sites are, you know, they're phony.
I've been told in some they welded the coffin shut, but there aren't any bodies in any of them.
If you go to the next, you'll see one of the photographs.
That's supposed to be her with her sisters, but actually they're her cousins.
And here you see more recent photographs of Of Emily, whose real name is Margaret Cottle, Margaret Alice Cottle.
She's about 25 now, and she's just a terrific, super smart person, one of the smartest I've ever known.
I'll say more about that as we proceed.
So there's Emily, alive and well.
So we got Noah Fabricated doing comedy, Emily's alive and well.
Living in Connecticut.
Let's take a look at the third of the three I want to focus.
Vicky was supposed to be a heroine at Sandy Hook.
Now, she's reprised her role in Yuval Day.
Vicky is supposed to have saved her first grade class by helping them hide in the room.
She did so well, they wanted her to reprise her role in Yuval Day.
I actually was on the phone to my key contact, Steve Lucia, whom I'll introduce, just as Margaret in the background was talking to Vicki and asking her how much she got paid, to which she replied $210,000 for repricing her role in Uvalde.
You begin to get the idea that money plays a big role here.
We even have what appears to be Wayne Garver on the scene.
So if you were to go to Wikipedia as the next slideshow, you're going to get a big story about Victoria Lee Soto.
And she's really quite a terrific person.
Everything I can put together about Vicki.
It is extremely positive that she's a very good person.
Now, if you go to the next slide, Yuvalde was based on Sandy Hook.
Remember, at Sandy Hook, David, we're supposed to have had a shooter kill his mother and then go over to the school and shoot 20 first graders and six adults.
Well, in Yuvalde, They vary the cadence.
I mean, how original.
He shoots his grandmother, and then he goes to Uvalde and shoots 19 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders and two adults, one of whom is Eva Morales, a teacher, who, if you go to the next slide, David, you'll see was actually played by Vicky Soto again.
Here is S.J.
Rowlands.
You mentioned Victoria Soto.
That's her on the right, resurrected as Eva Morales in time to be shot at Uvalde Gym.
Did you know our favorite Muslim, Dr. Oz, had a kid on his TV show who supposedly survived Sandy Hook?
The Turkish doctor asked him a few softball questions, like, are you proud of your teacher?
The kid shrugged at the show and said, yes.
After this continues, the child gets frustrated and annoyed and says, it was a drill.
What?
And Dr. Oz does nothing with his bombshell.
The kid just dropped.
Can't anyone see the ridiculousness?
Here's a closer up.
But I mean, Vicky has acknowledged she played that role, and she's apologetic about it.
Now, what's very, very interesting here, David, take a look at this next slide.
It's a real short video, but that guy in the background in the middle is Wayne Carver, I am convinced, the very medical examiner.
And Wayne Carver is supposed to have already died, by the way.
So this is a miraculous resurrection.
Let's just take a look there, and you'll see the comparison.
But the healing will take place.
It's just going to take a while.
But the healing will take place.
It's just going to take a while.
Now here's another case of recycling.
The mother of Heather Heyer, Susan Brough, haven't we seen this woman before?
Yeah!
Didn't we see her at Sandy Hook?
It turns out we let the images overlap, change the transparency, a perfect fit.
So Susan Brough, mother of Heather Heyer and Donna Soto, are one of the same crisis actors.
In the Remington case, David, Donna Soto was up front and sent her.
I got videos of her and all that.
It is the same woman.
There is no doubt about it.
Let's turn to the very next slide, then, to get a little deeper.
Steve Lucia had reached out to me, initiating the most fascinating adventure of my life.
We spoke almost daily since his first call on 26 December 2021.
Steve has related to me in detail their excellent FEMA adventure.
Well, Eric Holder, remember he's the man behind the scene who orchestrates these events, has moved them around the country again and again by the recounting.
But the BBC or pirate radio magazine, Points I was making before remain in doubt or can be completely rejected.
I got false information somewhere here.
And this is one of the ways in which Brian has been instrumental in kind of giving me a splash of cold water in the face.
Here's Steve.
I got the first call at 553 on Sunday the 26th, then again on the 27th, and we've been in regular contact until very, very recently, when Eric seems to have clamped down, so that in the last, oh, I'd say week or 10 days, I've only had intermittent contact with Steve and cannot make phone contact.
Now, if you go to the next, we get Eric Holder, of course, with his prominent law firm in Washington, D.C.
He's taken an active role in this.
What had happened was that the two girls, and where Vicki Soto is actually the daughter of the town clerk, Debbie Aurelio, so her real name is Vicki Aurelio, was able to get access of videos of Eric Holder coming down, you know, giving instructions, all this sort of thing, even of the Connecticut State Police who were running the event behind the scene, shooting out the window at the front of the school and all that sort of thing.
Which they sent around to 40 different countries, and where Eric was basically conceding that this group of four of us, to whom Margaret refers as the Fetzer Four, had basically defeated him.
But I think he's a very clever guy.
He doesn't want this to come out.
I think he's still working very hard to ensure it does not.
Among the places he moved them under FEMA control were to Brooklyn, working in a bakery, and that's intended to be represented.
This is not THE bakery, this is just A bakery.
They were moved from the bakery to St.
Albans in West Virginia.
Virginia.
The next photograph is actually from St.
Albans.
And then they wound up in an Amish family up in Fort Fairfield, Maine, not far from the Canadian border.
There were a lot of fascinating adventures they had there.
Eric even visited them in both St.
Albans and in Fort Fairfield.
But then I was given the story, and Steve conveyed this to me, and this happened like the day before I went on your show to talk about the BBC, that they'd done a radio broadcast.
It was supposed to be out of the BBC.
Now, I got later discussion about this, and the BBC thing was wrong.
Of course, it wasn't the British Broadcasting Corporation.
But something, the suggestion was made it was some kind of buccaneer broadcast.
It was supposed to be on a pirate radio.
And here I want to invite Brian to address the issue because Brian tracked down this private pirate radio in Key West.
And also with regard to the next slide, David, Roy had suggested that there was going to be a special issue article in Majesty Magazine for the May issue featuring
None of that turns out to be correct, and I'm very, very disturbed that Michael Vabner's father, Ruben, who is really a real person, but who was cast in the role of Lenny Posner, who brought the lawsuits against me, so Lenny Posner is a legal fiction, but Ruben had actually told Steve
That he, or the girls, and they told Steve that he had a copy of Majesty Magazine and he talked about the layout, there were photographs of the girls who made a visit to Russia, even with Margaret with Vladimir Putin, who took a keen interest in Margaret, but it all appears to have been poppycock.
I went to try to track it down, but Brian did some expert work on this.
Brian, I'd like you to address this question, because if you look at the next slide, David, you know, and this was the primary reasons I'm here today and wanted Brian to join.
When I was talking about them being on the BBC, although I had a sincere belief, it turns out it appears to have been objectively false.
And I'd like Brian to pick it up here because he made contact with both the editor of the magazine and the guy who runs the radio station, Brian.
Well, first of all, I guess I want to throw a couple disclaimers.
Many people know me for being a contributor to Jim's shows and Jim's audiences, and the first disclaimer is that I am paid nothing to do this job.
I do this because I believe that these false flags are indeed false flags.
I do this because I want to help uncover the truth, and while, since I am not paid, I do not come up with evidence that is normally designed to meet an evidentiary burden, I will focus on information that will achieve a persuasive burden to our audience to help them understand that they need to rethink everything that they've been told about these false flags that originates from the mainstream media.
That said, When I first heard the story from Jim about this magazine, I also heard at the same time that these girls would be theoretical whistleblowers about these events, and I also heard at the same time that there was a broadcast.
It was less than 24 hours later that I was able to confirm that the magazine itself Had to be.
Logically, I had to conclude that the magazine itself was a fraud if the magazine ever existed at all.
I spoke with the editor of Majesty Magazine and corresponded with him via email and he assured me that his small team of three people It had not even taken the time to design the cover of the May issue at the time that we spoke.
Right.
So that said, it was impossible that Majesty Magazine had produced this article with these Sandy Hook whistleblowers.
The next thing I endeavored to do, which took me a little more time, was to contact this radio station, this pirate radio station out of Key West, and I spoke on the phone with the man who runs the radio station.
I can assure you, number one, he is a A very liberal man who believes that Sandy Hook did take place.
Number two, that station does not focus on anything or any stories of this political nature, although he does have some Russian connections in his In his profile that that radio station is simply a radio station that delivers music and content to its audience and doesn't have anything to do with something so explosive as what would be a Sandy Hook whistleblower.
So there is component number two that has been debunked.
And this left me in a state of confusion because of course I have a lot of respect for Dr. Fetzer, but I could not figure out what was happening.
So I tabled the issue and without confronting the issues directly on the air, I began to experiment with different ideas and thought patterns related to this to try to figure out what could explain these particular anomalies.
And it didn't become clear to me until I was asked to Make an emergency trip up to Madison or Oregon, Wisconsin to meet with Dr. Fetzer.
This happened last Wednesday evening.
And the idea was that I would accompany him to the train station where we would meet with these whistleblowers who were supposedly going to show up.
Now my purpose in making that emergency trip, of which I drove 17 hours or 17 and a half hours, Nearly straight through to arrive in time and get him to the train station just in time.
Again, my purpose was to collect these whistleblowers' affidavits, verify their identity, record their statements visually, and then transfer that information out in a Mysterious way to people that could protect the information just in case it was some sort of honey trap.
Right.
So the idea was before Jim started doing shows with these supposed whistleblowers that I would have a statement that was so firm and so well documented that they could not go back afterwards and say it was all just a joke.
played on Dr. Fetzer and that none of it was true and therefore all... What would happen is that our foundations, if we were to continue pressing things that we knew to be true, would be eroded in the public's mind and I didn't want to see this happen.
So I took my personal time and drove up there and took Dr. Fetzer to the train station.
Where I observed, indeed, that these girls did not get off the train, and various excuses were given, which did or did not make sense.
Let me pick it up here, Brian, and then I want to come back for more of your commentary.
David, the next slide.
Okay, very good.
Yeah, this is where things get sticky.
Their trip to visit did not play out.
Margaret and Vicki were coming to visit with me here in Oregon, Wisconsin, drive and drove 1,600 miles.
This was heroic, in my opinion, to get us to the train on time, which we did.
We were there when the train on which they were supposed to be pulled into the station, and they did not get off.
They were not on the train.
Vicky had sent me a misaddressed email before that I only got later from Steve.
Bryant now has suggested to me that this may be what is known as a romance scam.
So I want to explain.
David, when I was seen, I was going to have a special show for you last Thursday, because they were supposed to show Wednesday, and I was going to bring them on the air with you.
Together that Thursday.
And of course, when this whole thing fell through, then I was unable to deliver.
Here's the email she sent to me.
I wrote on mail address.
We got off the Amtrak train and got on the Greyhound bus.
All our things are in Alliance, Ohio.
We will pick everything up and head to you.
Hope we make it there on time.
We tried our best and hit a bump in the road.
Thank you for working with us and helping us.
I'm so sorry I let you down.
So is Margaret.
We will correct it.
I'm going to close my eyes a bit now.
If you look at the address, it's James Fetzer at ProtonMail, but my address is James H. Fetzer at ProtonMail, so I didn't get it, but Steve got a copy and sent it to me.
Now, what had happened, and there are various aspects of this, and I'm not going to go into all of it, because I haven't verified all of it, but they got off the train, even though Ruben had told them not to get off the train.
They got off the train and apparently nodded off, and the train pulled out with their stuff on it, and they not.
So what they're doing here is trying to get back to get their stuff in Alliance, Ohio.
Now, this idea of a romance scam is very intriguing.
If you take a look at the next slide, Telltale signs you're falling for a romance scam, and Brian in his role as a private investigator has investigated quite a few.
If you take a look at the next slide, David, it talks about what's going on here.
What are they?
According to the FBI, a romance scam occurs when a criminal, I don't think these girls are criminals, but the idea is to create a fake profile to feign a romantic interest in another.
So he's drawing a parallel with a romance scam through a dating app, website.
It often prey on older individuals who are divorced or widowed, targeted by insecurities and desires to develop an intimate relationship.
They then lure the victim into sharing personal and financial information.
They'll attempt to make the victim feel special and needed, may propose marriage, offer to meet in person, but never follow through.
And I think this is a key for Brian.
Now, by the way, I do believe that they actually did make a broadcast out of a pirate radio station, but it wasn't one called Pirate Radio.
with a magazine and the BBC, which he falls.
Now, by the way, I do believe that they actually did make a broadcast out of a pirate radio station, but it wasn't one called Pirate Radio.
I still believe that, but I'm open to being shown to be wrong, and that's because I got a very detailed report from Steve who'd heard it and a friend of his in Russia who'd heard it, and when Steve recounted the content, it was exactly what I would have thought Margaret had wanted a venue where she'd have an hour uninterrupted.
This is where I wanted to bring her in with you, David, close to an hour uninterrupted to tell their story.
So, it was the right type of setup, where at one point they were in cube, but I think they learned about this private radio station.
Go to the next slide here.
What do we get?
They usually use fake profile images to protect their own identity, to keep you interested, protect you from questioning their identity.
However, As your meeting date approaches, the romance scammer will typically have an emergency that arises.
Their stories are often elaborate and emotional, which can be quite convincing to a victim blinded by love.
These fabricated emergencies lead to a perfect opportunity for them to ask you for financial help.
Well, they aren't asking me for financial help.
They want to get out of the lie they've had to live up.
I mean, they can't have a normal life interacting with people unless they're persons who are already knowledgeable at the Sandy Hook scam, which is severely delimiting.
So, oh, one more slide, I think, David.
Yeah.
Since scammers often take the identity of someone else, an easy way to verify who they are is to set up a video chat.
Even if they're overseas or living far away, video communication makes it possible to connect from anywhere to view them face-to-face.
Even though this will help identify someone, you must be still careful not to give away personal information.
Adding.
These days most people have multiple social media profiles on various platforms with tons of photos, blah, blah, blah.
So actually I tried to set up a video, a Zoom meeting with Vicky, Steve too if he could possibly, on Saturday.
And I set it up from like, I had my Zoom invite open from 6 a.m.
to about 1 p.m.
Central.
Yeah.
which, of course, would be 7 to 2 Eastern, and no show.
There was no response.
That was very upsetting to me because I thought it was such a simple way.
On the other hand, there may be a dozen.
I have been unable to get reports back about why it didn't happen, but I believe it reinforced Brian's concern.
So, Brian, I'd like you to elaborate on your thought of how this falls into the pattern of a romance scam as you see it.
Well, okay.
So, listen.
Let me just lay out a scenario which in my mind puts a lot of the puzzle pieces together.
And the scenario would be that Jim has embarrassed these people.
These people are in the game of deception and they wanted either revenge or simply to discredit or have a reason to discredit everything that Jim has been saying.
So they engineered a... whether Steve Lucia was involved or not involved, or whether Jim was actually speaking to Steve Lucia, I do not know.
Again, I do not know the contents of all these conversations.
I was not there.
But I can tell you that...
My instincts were telling me, my spirit was telling me that indeed something was very wrong and I happen to be the right guy at the right place because I have been in the room as I've exposed these scams where people have laid out a million dollars or a half a million dollars of the family's inheritance.
And they've hired me to come in and tell dad that he's been caught up in this.
And so I saw this thing developing and I had this experience about me.
And I guess that puts me as the right person at the right time.
So the next morning after these girls did not show up at the train, Jim and I went back.
Of course, I needed to sleep, so I slept through the night.
And as I woke up in the morning, it dawned upon me that this feels all wrong.
Everything about it felt all wrong.
And so Jim was trying to convince me to stay, even though I wanted to go.
Trust me, my wife was quite upset with me for making that trip.
And Jim wanted me to stay and I argued that I will not because the girls will not show up because this is going to turn into a romance scam that Jim had been caught in what I considered to be a honeypot operation and that it would not play out and it will not play out.
Now, why would they do this?
Simply put, Jim is correct about Sandy Hook.
But, and Jim has fought this, and Jim has stuck to his guns, and this has embarrassed these deceivers, and this has embarrassed these people, and so they're seeking to destroy his credibility by preying on the appetites of a very hungry man.
Now Jim has a, as we all know, Jim has a very significant appetite for That which is right and that which is true.
Right.
And this is an unusual appetite.
And this appetite that he has had has allowed him to be blinded to some of the circumstantial evidence that indicates that he's been caught in some sort of, again, a honeypot.
So I confronted Jim about this and Jim responded by putting this Steve Lucia on the phone.
And I can tell you that when I heard this voice I became angry because what I heard on the other end of the line, to me, in my opinion, was a very smooth psychological operator who was running a scam on Jim that looked very similar to these romance scams.
I took the phone, I confronted him, I demanded evidence, and he So conveniently said, oh, the fan is too loud.
I can't hear you, Jim.
I'm going to have to call you back.
In other words, his goal was to continue to isolate Jim, separate him from me, isolate Jim, separate him from his family, which he has done very well with Jim having all these super private conversations and nobody else can be involved.
And what I saw in Jim was a A father, a man, a relative who had been caught in what I believe to be a honeypot.
And I had to confront Jim in front of his wife about this, which is Shameful and embarrassing, but it is often my role to do so.
And I said, Jim, it's all a lie.
We must retract everything we think we know from this character that may or may not be Steve Lucia, that may or may not be being played himself or a part of the program.
But I'm going to tell you this.
The anger rose in me because of the pure diabolical nature of doing this to a man who has an appetite, a hunger and a thirst for that which is right and that which is just.
Now, Jim may or may not understand all of this, but I, being a Christian, have an appetite as well, but my appetite is rooted in something different.
My response to Jim, because Jim started sending me emails that had originated from the Steve Lucia, and my response was simply to send them the Sermon on the Mount.
There are a few secrets in there that may or may not confront this particular predator, who is or may not be Steve Lucia, who is or may not be A Mossad operation or a deception operation, but I do not put it beyond these people because let me help you understand something.
They see us as cattle.
The word is goy.
These people, these deceivers of the synagogue of Satan, have no respect for us.
They want to deceive us and destroy us, and they feel that they get credit in their religion, or whatever it happens to be, for deceiving and discrediting and destroying people like us.
So as you can imagine, my spirit was pricked and I began to reflect on these issues.
And of course, Jim and I have had some conversations off the record about the full nature of these events.
Now, the good news is it sounds as if Jim is making the proper moves in the right direction to be restored with his family, as there is now the puzzle pieces that have fallen together because they thought he was crazy.
And I thought, this is insanity, but I can tell you that this is how the dark nature of these people's minds work now.
I am so glad that we have exposed them.
I don't know what all the truth is about this or that, but I can tell you that I can feel it when lies like this roll out, and this felt wrong.
Well, let me hasten to add, Brian is offering his interpretation of events now.
The family has long since concluded that I've wandered off their reservation anyway.
Jan was very concerned when Brian showed up.
This is your wife you're referring to?
Because she felt he was there just to support me.
When I explained to her, he was there to verify their story, to do the affidavits and all that, which I think is absolutely indispensable.
And the fact that he could get me to the station on time, which was heroic.
But mind you, I am not writing off Vicki or Margaret or Steve.
I still believe in them, but what has happened now is an alternative interpretation has been introduced that I'm now open to the possibility, because I am convinced, and I think Brian did this conclusively, that the Majesty Magazine story was hokum.
And at the BBC, obviously, it was not the BBC.
And there are all kinds of reasons why I should have realized that before I talked about it.
And David, when I came on you to talk about that, that was the very next day.
So it was fresh, and I thought I was giving you the latest news as I understood it.
Now I have to retract those two aspects of it.
I still believe there was a radio broadcast, but that it was not the BBC, and it wasn't the pirate radio station in Key West.
I think Brian did sensational work on that.
Let me add, I'm now testing the hypothesis.
I'm simply trying to determine whether there are any other aspects, because everything down to that point David, as I was seeking to emphasize, is, in my opinion, good as gold.
Those are bona fide photographs.
Those girls really do want out.
They really are eager to repudiate.
They want to expose it.
They had a falling out on the trip that caused a fiasco.
If Vicky had simply come To me, instead of going back to Connecticut, it would have had a much different outcome.
But let me point out another way in which I'm testing the hypothesis, because Brian has certainly convinced me not to take For granted.
Things that I was tending to take for granted.
Correspondent with a Princeton dean.
Stephen told me about Margaret's contact with a dean at Princeton.
If they took place as I believe, that would serve as authentication of that part of the story.
If they did not, as Brian suspects, then that would falsify that aspect of the story.
So I've written to him.
I have no idea whether he will reply.
Actually, I'll explain why.
Uh, what I think is going on.
Yeah, here is the Dean.
Uh, Garrett Meggs seems to be a super guy.
When I first heard Margaret and had a couple hour conversation with him, I was kind of astonished because I was then thinking he was the primary Dean of Students.
He's an assistant Dean of Students, but this is still rather sensational.
So here's what I wrote to him in an effort to get clear about this inquiry about a very special applicant, Dean Meggs.
And it happens.
I graduated Princeton in 1962, served as a Marine Corps officer, earned a Ph.D.
in the history of the philosophy of science, and had a rocky 35-year career as a professor of philosophy, denied tenure at Kentucky, 10 years as an itinerant scholar, and 19 years as a full professor on the Duluth campus of the University of Minnesota.
Drawn into serious research on JFK in 1992, I have pioneered collaborative investigation in which I bring together the best experts I can find to address and dissect the most complex and controversial events of our time, including 9-11, Sandy Hook, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, Las Vegas, Buffalo, Uvalde, and most recently Nashville.
By the way, Brian has done sensational work on those, and we co-authored the checklist.
I write for confirmation and not a report from sources in the Sandy Hook community about a woman I've grown to admire, Margaret Alice Cottle, whom I encouraged to make contact with Princeton and other exceptional colleges because of the quality of her intellect as well as her drive and determination.
I was informed that she had extensive conversation with you not long ago.
If you could advise as to whether those conversations took place and whether she was or was not admitted to Princeton, I would be most appreciative.
Some recent activities reported to me require verification, though not her having been cast as Emily Parker for the event, nor her dedication to exposing the truth.
Anything you can share about this would be most welcome.
Many thanks.
Then I wrote a follow-up in the next slide.
Yes, Garrett, if I may.
Out in the real world, I'm doing my best to expose sham events conducted to massively deceive and mislead the American people by their own government to promote its political agenda.
I have had six of my books banned by Amazon and have been subjected to a fabricated lawsuit yielding a judgment of $1.1 million against me for the truthful declaration I took the case all the way to the U.S.
"Sandy Hook, the sentence with a fabrication, "a case that was absurd from the beginning, "where I had two forensic expert reports supporting me.
"I took the case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, "which appears to be so scared of the truth "about Sandy Hook, it hid my appendices from the public, "including the one that Brian had put together." Margaret Alice Cottle may be the most remarkable woman whom I have ever encountered in any context.
I'm attempting to authenticate what I have been told about her engagement with you, including that you spoke for hours, that she was admitted, that you told her if she should be excluded from any class because of late enrollment, you'd create a space to ensure she could participate, and that you discovered her role in Sandy Hook, but along with other deans would keep it in confidence.
I only need to know if you had these conversations with Margaret or not.
If you've never heard of her, then that's what I need to know.
I am an investigative journalist who is simply seeking to establish the truth.
It was a source of dismay to me when Princeton decided to take the name of Woodrow Wilson off the School of Public and International Affairs.
That bothered me so much that, after the trustees took that action, I ceased contributing to annual giving.
My own class of 1962 president, Thomas Dunn, had repeatedly declined my submission to give A 1962 class lecture on what's wrong with conspiracy theories, where I apply the criteria advanced by our own Carl G. Hemphill to assess them, just as we do for scientific theories in general.
But in spite of its propriety, he's afraid to feature me because I'm controversial, even though with 40 books, I am the most published member of the class of 1962.
I even authored the entry, Hempel-Karl in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
For that matter, as a freshman, my dorm was in Northwest College on the second floor, which might even be where your own office is located.
I am no longer impressed by Princeton, which seems to me to have gone over the edge in wokeness, which may come back to bite you.
Nor am I as enthusiastic as I used to be about Princeton's role in the nation's service.
I would, however, Appreciate any acknowledgement you may convey to having or not ever encountered the name Margaret Alice Cottle consistent with your duties and obligations as a Dean of Students at Princeton.
Perhaps that's something you can do with appreciation.
And I sent him in the next, even a photograph of me in that upper right hand.
I think he, you know, It's ironic.
His office is in the same building that was a dorm when I was an undergraduate.
There are photos of me graduating and all that.
And then I added stuff about my Supreme Court case.
David, you can just flip us back to the three of us here.
And I just want to add a word or two then about this to tie it together, which is the following.
I have a vast experience in higher education.
I'm a graduate of Princeton.
He knows who I am.
If The story I'm telling him were false.
He'd have no reason to hesitate and say, no, can't help, did not have the conversation.
The stories I'm telling him are true, however.
He may be obligated by confidentiality to not confirm it as a violation of privacy.
I believe, therefore, those stories are true.
I have not heard from him, but under these circumstances, it would be extraordinary if they were false.
He could do it immediately.
I mean immediately.
Now, what I'm so grateful to Brian for is he's so dedicated, he's so thorough, I regard him as my best guy.
I mean, he is going to get to the heart of the matter, and he's doing his best to ensure that I don't commit a mistake.
That would not only affect me personally, but tarnish research I and others have done across the board, where he has done some of the very best on Buffalo, on Uvalde, and now on Nashville.
So I just want you to understand the situation.
This is an attempt to kind of right the ship.
When it went tilted, because I bought into the The Majesty Magazine and the BBC broadcast, which I now certainly agree Brian has debunked, but where I still believe there was a broadcast, it simply was a different venue, and I just want to, you know, get all this straight, and I'm hoping it'll happen, so... Now, Brian, my question for you would be, do you believe I don't know.
I don't know.
that Dr. Fetzer says that there was a broadcast even on a different venue, or do you still believe this whole thing was a scam to honeypot Dr. Fetzer?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I would approach this if I were to be performing a professional investigation on behalf of the family, paid, contracted, and such.
I would approach this as if I'm trying to confirm that the entire scenario has been debunked.
But what I know about these people is that many times something starts out with components that appear to be true, and then what are sewn in are embellishments, ornamental details that Make the story false or unbelievable.
What Jim has conveyed to me both in private and what I've heard him convey to me on public
is a very tall order for me in terms of credibility and so I would have to take every component of the conversations that Jim has had with whoever is on the other end of the phone with him and I have no what I heard again was a tuned psychological operator right not just a guy you know and if you were to know anything about
Well, what I've heard about Steve Lucia, I can tell you that I do not believe that he is on the phone with the real Steve Lucia.
It may be a man with a piece of voice-modifying equipment.
It may be a psychological operator.
But indeed, I believe that these people are so angry at Jim Fetzer for exposing them in such a long and dedicated manner that they have done this diabolical thing.
And I'll tell you what, my anger rages.
But!
I will focus on things that I can know to be true and change my tack because there are things that in this world, as you know, Dr. Fetzer's just had a heart attack, that are more important than Sandy Hook and this deception.
Well, I'm so grateful to Brian for all his efforts in heroically driving on here.
I continue to believe in Margaret, Vicki, and Steve.
I do think Eric Holder, and possibly Rubin, and higher-ups like Barack Obama, who is behind the whole series of fake shootings and all that, would dearly like to discredit me.
So, part of what I'm doing here is trying to correct the record about aspects that I know now I was mistaken with regard to, reaffirm what I take to be true, acknowledge what I remain uncertain about, and just give you a progress report with a great sense of indebtedness to this man here, Brian Davidson, whom I regard as superlative in every aspect.
No, there's no doubt.
Brian is awesome.
There's no doubt about that.
Two final questions for you, Dr. Fetzer.
The first, were you asked to pay for these girls' train trip to come meet you?
No, no, no, no, no.
Okay, so they didn't try to solicit money out of you that way.
The second thing is, where do you stand?
What is your relationship right now with your wife and family?
Well, - You know, Jan initially was hesitant, then when she saw Brian, you know, was saying he thought this was a sham, she was elated because now they were kindred spirits.
- Yeah. - I mean, we're okay.
I mean, I'm just the oddball in the family, you know. - She doesn't buy into a lot of this Sandy Hook thing You told me she's kind of like... She loves you, but she thinks you're kind of like off the spool with that, right?
Yes, yes!
Terrific with...
JFK and 9-11, but once I got into Sandy Hook and Boston bombing and thereafter I've been somehow isolated.
I mean, we all get along great as a family.
This is just, these are issues, events we do not address as a rule.
This is not dinner conversation then.
Alright, well look, if you want to help Dr. Fetzer with his legal situation, please contribute to GiveSendGo.
Dr. Fetzer is a man on a mission, and I believe that Sandy Hook was a fraud.
I believe Dr. Fetzer is correct on that, and I have to commend you, Dr. Fetzer, and Brian, too, for coming forward to correct a record on something in which you may have been set up.
I think that only adds to your credibility to come forward and be honest about it.
And we will continue to do everything we can to help you get the truth out, and Dr. Fetzer, thank you so much and Brian for coming on the show today, and we'll talk to you, Dr. Fetzer, next week.
You got it, David.
Thank you so much, and to Brian for making this special appearance.
I'm grateful.
Thanks to you, Brian.
Thanks to both of you.
Dr. James Fetzer here on The Awake Nation.
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