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Nov. 21, 2021 - Jim Fetzer
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The REAL Anthony Fauci With Robert F. Kennedy Jr. by Corbett Report
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So, you know, I would say this is Armageddon.
This is the apocalyptic forces of ignorance and greed and totalitarianism.
And this is the final battle.
We need to win this one.
You're listening to the Corbett Report.
Welcome friends, James Corbett here, CorbettReport.com, in a conversation that is being recorded on the 19th of November 2021 here in Japan.
And throughout the past couple of years of this generated crisis, I have received, as you might imagine, many, many requests to do some sort of deep dive or expose on the face of this generated crisis in the United States, Anthony Fauci.
But, as a Canadian in Japan, I have never felt that I am best situated to do such a deep dive.
Luckily, I can do the next best thing?
Actually, an even better thing.
I can bring on someone who has done exactly just such an expose, and has just released that to the public.
I am talking about, of course, thought criminal extraordinary, and a proud member of the disinformation dozen, I say that ironically, of course.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
of ChildrensHealthDefense.org, who has just written The Real Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health.
Mr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., thank you very much for joining us on the program today.
Thank you for having me, James, and also thank you for all of your extraordinary work for keeping The public informs that we can actually maybe restore some democracy to the world.
Well, I appreciate that.
Let's start by talking about the sort of the cultural moment that we're in, in which I note, as we're recording this conversation, it's the 18th of November there in the United States.
As we are talking, this book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is currently the Number three bestseller on Amazon right now, which people should not be lining the pockets of Jeff Bezos obviously, but I think speaks to the fact that obviously something is happening in the zeitgeist right now where this information, speaking obviously specifically about Anthony Fauci, but
In a similar way, I would say to my Who is Bill Gates documentary, using Fauci as a hub from which we can explore many spokes of the crisis that we're living through right now.
Obviously, people are hungry for this information at the moment, but first, can you just speak to why you decided to write this book specifically about Fauci?
Well, I think for the same reasons that you've been exploring we've seen over the past Twenty months a coup d'etat against liberal democracy globally and one of the key players is this kind of medical cartel and medical technocracy.
There's an entire coalition of what I think we're all starting to see as sinister forces, pharmaceutical companies, the intelligence agencies, medical bureaucracies.
The social media titans and the mainstream media that are all wrapped up in the military, if I didn't mention them, that are all kind of wrapped up in the obliteration of constitutional rights globally and the use of a health crisis to impose totalitarian controls and one of the ways they've been able to get rid of it is that This kind of avuncular presence in the face of the technocracy, in the face of the demolition, the obliteration of constitutional rights, is this avuncular, steady, authoritative medical figure, Anthony Fauci.
The leading panjaram of the medical establishment for 50 years.
He's kind of the J. Edgar Hoover of public health without J. Edgar Hoover's bad reputation.
And he has been the trusted advisor to six presidents and is a person who is widely applauded And his opinions, his medical opinions, as little sense as they make, are treated literally as gospel by the mainstream press, the social media globally, and many, unfortunately, people from my political party, from the Democratic Party, who really see him as almost a demigod.
And because of my peculiar history, which I've spent 40 years I've been litigating on the issue of regulatory capture.
I've brought over 500 lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and big corporations and probably a quarter of the lawsuits that I brought have been against government agencies like the EPA that are subject to this dynamic of regulatory capture which is very well documented in peer-reviewed publications and the popular press, but it's the mechanism by which Regulatory agencies become the sock puppet of the industries that they're supposed to regulate.
They become really kind of subsidiaries of those industries.
Tony Fauci is the spearhead of an agency that has experienced regulatory capture in a way that is on steroids.
Part of the reason is that the These unprecedented financial entanglements between the pharmaceutical companies and the agencies that regulate that, that we do not see in the environmental space.
EPA is a captured agency.
It does the bidding of big oil, big coal, the chemical industry, the big industrial agriculture, and I spent a lot of time suing them when they did sweetheart deals to issue permits that were illegal.
In the pharmaceutical, the medical sphere, you have these financial links.
For example, FDA receives 45% of its annual budget from pharmaceutical companies.
The NIH has thousands of pharmaceutical patents and the CDC spends About $4.9 billion a year out of its $12 billion budget.
So about 40%, close to 40% buying and then distributing vaccines.
So it really is the front man.
It is the biggest vaccine company in the world.
And the metrics that are used within the agencies to measure whether or not you're going to get promoted Whether you're going to get advanced, whether you're going to get your bonuses and salary raises, almost all of them have to do with how well you promote vaccine uptake.
So people do not get rewarded in those agencies for finding problems with vaccines.
They get rewarded for covering up problems.
And then some of the agencies directly profit from vaccine sales.
For example, As I said, NIH owns thousands of medical patents, including half the patent for the Moderna vaccine.
So, it stands to make that agency, it stands to make billions and billions, Tony Fauci's agency, billions and billions of dollars if they succeed in getting that vaccine approved, mandated, etc.
And Tony Fauci was able to choose to designate four of his high-level employees who each get individual patent shares, and they will collect $150,000 a year for life if the Moderna vaccine is approved, which it has been.
So it's a kind of, like I said, it's like if EPA got half of its budget I'm the coal industry or from the oil industry and that the amount of money that went into its budget was based upon sales of coal and oil, it would really.
Contaminate the, you know, it would subsume the regulatory, the mercantile impulses and the commercial impulses would subsume the regulatory functions.
And that's exactly what's happened there.
They are no longer regulatory agencies that are not public health agencies.
They are vaccine and pharmaceutical companies.
And Tony Fauci has, um, you know, is the, uh, his agency particular, No longer does public health and he doesn't do public health.
He does pharmaceutical promotions.
He will never talk about publicly about the improvements in public health that have occurred since he came into office 50 years ago.
And it's not a good story.
We've gone from 6% of the American public having chronic disease when he entered Do by 1986, he became the boss, the big boss in 84 and 86, 11.6% or 11.8% of Americans had chronic disease.
And today, 54%.
So, and by chronic disease, I mean neurological diseases, ADD, ADHD, speech and language like tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism, Allergic diseases like peanut allergies, food allergies, asthma, anaphylaxis and then the autoimmune diseases like juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis.
When Tony Fauci took over that agency, nobody had even heard of those diseases really.
One in 10,000 people my age have autism.
One in 10,000 people my age have autism.
One in every 34 people my kids age have full blown autism.
Tony Fauci's job is to make sure that doesn't happen.
Find the sources of those chronic diseases.
Where did food allergies suddenly appear in 1989?
Why do we see all these people with celiac disease and peanut allergies beginning in that year?
Why do we see rheumatoid arthritis and juvenile diabetes?
Clearly, there is an environmental toxin.
Genes do not cause epidemics.
We have the worst infant mortality rate of the top 25 nations.
When he came into office, we were the healthiest people.
the toxins so that we can then eliminate it.
As a result, weíve seen this dramatic explosion and decline in public health.
We have the worst infant mortality rate of the top 25 nations.
When he came into office, we were the healthiest people.
Today, weíre the unhealthiest people in the industrialized world.
Weíre 79th in terms of the overall public health metrics.
We consume three times the pharmaceutical products of any other Western nation.
We pay the highest prices and we are by far the sickest.
It's largely as I show in the book, Tony Fauci is responsible.
He's not solely responsible.
He however could have prevented the whole thing.
His job was to identify those problems and lead the way to eliminating them and he could have done that and that's not what he's doing.
He's turned that agency into an incubator for pharmaceutical products.
Between 2009 and 2016, There are some 240 products approved by FDA, new drugs, that all came out of Tony Fauci's shop.
He has a $6.1 billion budget, which he distributes to colleges and universities to do drug research for various diseases.
He has another $1.7 billion that comes from the military that essentially is to do bioweapons research, and that's why he had to do the gain of function.
He was locked into that.
68% of his personal salary comes from doing that military bioweapons research, which used to be called dual use.
It's illegal for anybody to do bioweapons development and manufacturing, but there's an exception in the 1972 Act.
Or research and development that is for dual use.
In other words, it's research that could be used for bio, that is useful for developing bioweapons, but it also is useful for vaccines.
So if you can say I'm doing vaccine research, then you can do bioweapons research back to our bioweapons research.
And that's what he did.
And after the anthrax attacks in 2001, The Pentagon and the CIA began pouring money into bioweapons research and the Pentagon was nervous about doing it itself because of the ban, the prohibition on it.
So those cohorts began funneling money to Tony Fauci to do it because he could legitimately say, well, I'm not really doing bioweapons research.
I'm doing vaccine research.
And then a bunch of his little bugs escaped in 2014 from his lab and from other people's labs.
And 300 scientists signed a letter to President Obama asking him to stop Tony Fauci.
And that's when he began funneling a lot of this money to the Wuhan lab and partnering with Chinese military scientists and teaching them not only how to How to develop, how to take back coronaviruses and make them transmissible and pathogenic and virulent to human beings.
But also his specialty, one of his chief scientists, Ralph Baric from the University of North Carolina, developed a technique called the no-seum technique for hiding the evidence of the human engineering of those viruses.
Barrick, who was funded by Fauci, then shared that research with Xing Lei Ji, the Chinese
scientist known as Bat Lady, and was able to master the technique.
These people are all publishing on this stuff and they weren't embarrassed about it.
The Chinese were very, very open that this was weapons research.
They didn't pretend it was vaccine research.
They were like, this is weapons research and we are glad we're able to do it.
Fauci was giving them millions and millions of dollars, but the biggest contributor was
the CIA, which gave about $69 million through USAID to do that kind of research.
And then the Pentagon through DARPA, which gave about $39 million to do that.
And the three of them are all working in tandem.
U.S.
agencies with smaller amounts coming from Homeland Security and the other agencies.
And they were teaching the Chinese how to weaponize bad viruses.
Well, the J. Edgar Hoover of Public Health... Well, let's stop for a moment, because describing Anthony Fauci as the J. Edgar Hoover of Public Health is such a perfect description that I'm going to steal it, because I think it gets to the heart of what we're discussing here, which is that this man has somehow or other managed to take over a relative backwater of the Washington bureaucracy, as you point out, in 1984.
Who was talking about NIAID?
No one.
It was a nothing agency.
Because infectious disease had basically stopped causing mortalities after the Spanish flu, and the Spanish flu was not a flu.
As Tony Fauci himself wrote in 2008, he really documented the fact it was a bacteriological infection, so there's no reason to be scared of it anymore because it can be obliterated in two days by antibiotics.
Really in this century, you've seen the complete decline of infectious disease mortalities.
And by 1980, the Reagan administration, infectious disease mortalities were such an infinitesimal threat to Americans that the Reagan administration was talking about abolishing NIAID and CDC.
And in those agencies, they were talking about, we got to find a pandemic.
In order to justify our existence, as I show in the book, again and again, they fabricated pandemics.
They fabricated a flu pandemic in 1976, and then in 2005, an avian flu pandemic, swine flu in 2009, complete fabrication.
In 2005, one person died in a pandemic, and they spent $40 billion on vaccines and had mandatory vaccine programs globally.
You know, and they do this again, and I show it again and again.
Zika was a phony, Tony Fauci's phony pandemic.
Zika was completely not associated with microcephaly.
And he went to Congress and said Zika is causing kids to be born with small heads.
He got $2.2 billion for his agency to get a vaccine and as it turns out, Zika was no threat to anybody and definitely did not cause microcephaly.
It was all fabricated and he's done this again and again and again, the same playbook To use it to clamp down totalitarian controls and to sell pharmaceutical products to use these fake pandemics.
I'm not saying COVID is fake because it isn't, but it is.
The response to it has not been a medical response.
It's been a militarized and a monetized response that is very, very much precalculated.
Well, let's get into the specifics of how this type of scare can be manipulated, because that's something that we need to wrap our minds around to understand what's happening right now.
And in chapter four of your book, in fact, several chapters deal with Fauci's Involvement in the AIDS crisis and AZT and that scandal.
But in chapter four of your book you specifically go through how the AIDS crisis that Fauci was at the helm of there in the 1980s was essentially the template for what was to come during the generated crisis of the past two years.
And you talk about pumping up pandemic fears to lay the groundwork for larger budgets and greater powers, incriminating an elusive pathogen, Fanning hysteria by exaggerating disease transmissibility, periodically stoking waning fear levels by warning of mutant super strains and future surges, etc., etc.
There's a list of about 20 different ways in which the AIDS crisis can be seen as a template for what has happened over the past couple of years.
Can you elaborate a bit about that?
Well, you know, one of the things that he did during the AIDS crisis, he captured, he He was able to go through a struggle with National Cancer Institute because the initial signal of AIDS was Kaposi's sarcoma, which is a cancer.
And so the AIDS went to the National Cancer Institute and he was able to use studies that show that maybe it's a viral infection caused by HIV.
They get control of all that new funding and he went up to billions of dollars and that really made him the boss.
He didn't know how to develop drugs and NIAID had no capacity at that time to develop drugs.
National Cancer Institute did and knew how to have big labs and it was developing cancer drugs.
His agency didn't know, Al, so it really had to rely on a private pharmaceutical company, which is now Glaxo, and was then welcomed, a barbarous welcome.
That drug that appeared to kill HIV.
It killed HIV because it killed everything that it touched.
It was a really toxic Chemotherapy drug.
It was so toxic, it killed all the mice in the chemotherapy experiment.
And the guy who developed it actually threw it on a junk pile and didn't even patent it because he said this can never be used.
Chemotherapy, you give it for two weeks and it kills every cell in the DNA in human bodies.
But you're hoping that it kills the tumor first before it kills the person.
It was Tony Fauci's idea to give that chemotherapy job to people for life, which, of course, it means their life was going to be extremely short, which is exactly what happened.
And in order, he had to shorten the experiment, the clinical trial, because within six weeks, it was killing everybody in the clinical trial.
And the way he kept him alive is by pumping the people in the AZT group with daily blood transfusions and not giving the transfusions to the HIV-infected people in the placebo group.
Transfusions kept him alive, allowed him to claim this was a miracle drug, and he got it approved in record time.
It was a rush, emergency use approval, and at the end he declared It's so effective that it's unethical to continue the trials and we're going to unblind them and give it to all the people in the placebo group, exactly what he did with the vaccines.
Then it required by that time, there were community doctors all over America that were
finding repurposed drugs that were really effective against the symptoms of AIDS, things
that actually killed people, the pneumonia and all of these other symptoms that kill
people.
He had to, in order to get his AZT approved for emergencies, he had to kill those drugs.
He suppressed them, he punished doctors, he wouldn't allow FDA to approve any of them,
he wouldn't allow Fast Track approval.
My uncle was fighting with them and fighting with them, Ted Kennedy, who was the chair of the health committee, to force him to do fast-track approvals for those drugs that the community, these wonderful community doctors were using.
What happened is people who had AIDS were quickly recognizing that ACT was killing their friends who got on it and they were desperate to get these other drugs and so they had these buyers clubs that popped up all over the country and the movie Dallas Buyers Club was originally written about Tony Fauci as the villain.
He was the one that was preventing all these people from getting their hands on these working
medications because there was no profits in them for the drug industry.
So you had these buyers clubs where people would go to Mexico, they go to Europe, they
go to Canada and they get these drugs and bring them back and distribute them to people.
So it's the same thing he did now with suppressing ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, monoclonal
steroids, all of the things that we know are very effective against COVID.
Anti-inflammatories, the anticoagulants, you know, the antibiotics that work, actually work, vitamin D, zinc, and all of those things get suppressed.
So, there's only one solution.
Back then, it was AZT for AIDS.
Today, it's the vaccine.
It's always a deadly experimental drug that wipes out and that he has to abbreviate
the clinical trials and declare it's a success.
It's a really – and that's just one of the times he's done that again and again
and again and again throughout his long career.
Peter Robinson Right.
As you say in the book, it's a well-worn dog-eared playbook that he's playing from
precisely because it has worked in the past and it's continuing to work to this day,
as you say, his avuncular attitude and it sort of deflects all the criticism that never
seems to really land on him.
But you paint a very vivid picture in this book of a particular instance of how Fauci
has wielded his power.
His power over his fiefdom to suppress dissent against him.
And that was the story of Dr. Peter Duesberg.
Tell people about how the career of Peter Duesberg was completely derailed by Fauci.
Well, Duesberg was probably, was the most brilliant virologist in the world.
He'd won more NIH awards than anybody else.
He'd won virtually every award that could be won in virology.
And he was clearly going to win the Nobel Prize for finding an oncogene, which is a cancer-causing gene, and which he discovered had launched an entire discipline in virology.
And then he himself went back and looked at it, and he said, this doesn't make any sense from an evolutionary point of view.
He wrote the paper that exploded his own theory and lost him the Nobel Prize, but he didn't
care about anything except integrity.
He is still alive.
This incredible and highly, highly respected scientist.
He did not believe that the deaths that were being attributed to AIDS from 1981 to 1984,
he did not believe that they were being caused by HIV.
He believed that they were largely the result of poppers and a whole constellation of drugs, of heroin, speed, you know, methadrine, cocaine, that were part of the abstract post Stonewall gay lifestyle.
And if you looked at now, you know, now what he was saying is now accepted science.
It's now Kaposi's sarcoma, which was AIDS, is no longer even listed as a symptom of AIDS.
It's now, you know, understood that it is an environmental Resultant and that it's caused by poppers, which is amyl nitrate, which was a ubiquitous drug that was used in the gay community.
It was sold in every gay bar.
And at the end of the night, the gay bars would, you know, declare last call for alcohol, last call for poppers.
It was sold in the bathhouses and the nightclubs and everything else.
And it was and all the people, 100 percent of the people originally diagnosed with AIDS had were popper users.
And so he, Duesberg, went, you know, did this exhaustive research and published a groundbreaking paper and then became a huge critic of Fauci.
And I show in my book how Fauci was able to use Strategically placed money has controlled all of this research, you know, 6.1 billion dollars in research grants to get the universities to shut him out, to get him denied all awards, invitations to conferences.
To punish his graduate students so nobody would take his courses and to destroy his career and he succeeded in doing that.
He really isolated and he made Duisburg a pariah and he refused to debate him.
He refused, you know, he silenced him.
And that's the problem.
Whether you know whether Duisburg was correct or not, I don't reach a conclusion on that.
I say specifically, I don't know.
But Duisburg's arguments make a lot of sense.
If you read them, his book is absolutely persuasive.
There's tens of thousands of articles on AIDS and HIV, and I haven't read them all, so I'm not eligible or competent to make a judgment.
But what I do know is that science is dynamic, and there ought to be debate.
Any time somebody says there's a consensus in science, that person is a liar and they're manipulating you because the phrase scientific consensus is oxymoronic.
I was part of the legal team on the Monsanto case where we won $2.2 billion, we won three
cases and then we settled on Roundup.
In that case, Monsanto came to court with top scientists in the country from Harvard
and Stanford.
Thank you.
They made very, very convincing presentations on what they said was consensus science.
And then we brought our scientists from Harvard and Stanford who were looking at the same data and coming up with a different conclusion.
And they were under cross-examination.
We were able to prove that their scientists were wrong, ours were right, and persuade a jury to give these huge judgments.
It's not about one guy standing up there and saying, ìThis is the answer.î If we want good policies for everything in a democracy, we need a free flow of information and we need ideas to triumph in the marketplace.
What Fauci has succeeded in doing in this country is really shutting down debate completely
and this extraordinary capacities that he's developed through relationships with the media
and the social media and the whole army of the medical cartel and intelligence agencies
to literally shut down debate on any issue that he wants to simply proclaim as truth.
Let's move on to another part.
I know we have limited time today, and I want to cover what you talk about in Chapter 7 of your book, because I'm sure everyone by this point has heard, and if not, they should at least look it up, about Beaglegate, as it has been termed, and the horrific experiments on animals that were funded through Fauci's agency.
But, not a lot of people have probably heard about what you cover in Chapter 7 of this book, Dr. Fauci, Mr. Hyde, Niaid's Barbaric and Illegal Experiments on Children, which, for me personally, as a father of two beautiful, wonderful, healthy children, who I love more than life itself, this chapter was the most difficult to read through, but perhaps you can share some of this information with the listeners.
Well, it's part of a pair of chapters.
One of them about his experiments on children with these novel chemotherapy drugs that they were testing out for AIDS in the United States.
And then the other one on children and pregnant mothers in Africa.
And they were both just equally horrific.
And in the United States, the only way he got most of his experiment where he's targeted throughout his career, blacks and Hispanics or These kind of medical experiments and in this case he was able to get control of foster homes in seven states and essentially turn these pharmaceutical companies loose on these children and the experiments that they were conducted were absolutely barbaric and the children were tortured.
They did not have legal representation which is illegal.
They did not have guardians.
You cannot put a child into a clinical trial in this country without an independent guardian and he made sure that those kids did not have guardians.
They were literally tortured to death.
The children who stopped taking the drugs because they made them so sick.
Many of these kids did not have HIV.
We're getting no benefit from these drugs.
They were just being used as guinea pigs.
And the children who refused or were non-compliant were sent to Columbia Hospital and had feeding tubes installed in them so that the drug companies could continue to administer the drugs even when the kids fought back.
And at least 85 of these kids died during the experiments.
Celia Farber, who is an incredible researcher who works with me on this chapter in the book, actually found a graveyard up in the Hudson Valley, north of New York City, in Hawthorne, New York.
It's called Gates of Heaven Cemetery, where there was a pit.
It was covered by an ashtray of carpet, and it had hundreds and hundreds of tiny coffins haphazardly piled in that pit.
with the bodies of these children, and we don't know where a lot of those kids came from, but we know that at least 85 of them, at least, were casualties of Tony Fauci's experiments.
And then after New York, he took that roadshow to Africa and ended up killing a lot of pregnant mothers in Africa and, you know, getting away with it because of the The power of his agency, his contacts with, he was, you know, his whole thing fell apart at one point, but he was able to use his contacts with President Bush to really to get him out of a jam.
And I, you know, I talk about that.
I give detail there.
As you know, there's 2,200 footnotes in the book.
Every statement in there is sourced and cited to government databases or to peer reviewed publications or I think the most important story in the book is in the last chapter, which is called Germ Games, which talks about the orchestrated planned use of pandemics to clamp down totalitarian control.
And it was a surprise to me.
It was all new research.
Nobody has seen this before.
But the deep, deep involvement of the intelligence agencies and, you know, in pandemic planning, which is weird, because, you know, why is the CIA is not a health agency?
It doesn't do public health, it does coup d'etat.
And a lot of people know about event 201.
Which was this extraordinary pandemic planning event, a simulation that was put on in October 2019.
It was hosted by Bill Gates and by April Haynes, who was the former deputy director of the CIA.
She's now the head of the National Security Agency, the top spy in our country.
And the people were, it's an extraordinary group of people.
They were, they were simulating a coronavirus pandemic worldwide.
In October 2019, so we now know from the National Security Agency is that the pandemic almost certainly escaped on the Wuhan lab on September 12th and was circulating already in Wuhan a month before this pandemic took place and the Chinese knew about it.
And at the simulation is George Gao, who was the head of the Chinese CDC.
And then they have representatives from the drug companies, the social media companies, the mainstream media companies like Bloomberg and Washington Post and health agencies, and they're simulating a pandemic.
And they're not simulating how do you get vitamin D to people and how do you get zinc and how do you stockpile, you know, kerosene and how do you create grids to hook the 11 million doctors in the world to figure out What protocols are working and what repurpose medications are working?
How do you quarantine the sick and not healthy?
How do you preserve the Constitution?
None of that was discussed.
It was all, how do you use the pandemic as a pretense to clamp down totalitarian controls and obliterate and deconstruct democracy?
And the last simulation Which is called seminar four was all about how do you get the social media companies to censor any discussion of a lab generated coronavirus epidemic.
It's pretty amazing when you like you're thinking, do they think we're stupid?
When you read this, you get what I found out in the book was that that was not a one off event that they had.
Probably around 20 of these events.
I document, I think, 14 of them beginning in 2000.
They're called Operation Lockstep.
It's how do you get all of the country, all the liberal democracies in the world to pivot and turn into dictatorships overnight.
and theyíre all, every one of them, many of them are sponsored by Gates and Johns Hopkins
population center, but all of them, the one thing they all have in common is a huge, huge
presence by the CIA and they are all orchestrated, the scripts are written by them, there are
famous people involved in many of them, Madeline Albright, Senator Frank Church, others, Senators
and Congressmen Gates, and they involved hundreds of thousands of people, so there were, you
know, they involved fire line workers, not only health workers, but from the utilities,
from the oil companies, from the police, firefighters, in all the cities around our country, Canada,
United States, Europe, Australia, and they did them all simultaneously in all these countries.
And it's really chilling, I think, for people to read.
Absolutely, yes.
And I was impressed by the thoroughness of that chapter, actually.
You uncovered a lot of detail about a lot of these different drills, going all the way back to Dark Winter, which I'm sure my audience will be familiar with by now.
But you have a lot of detail in there and how that then relates to the Anthrax attacks of a few months later that were miraculously predicted by several of the people associated with Dark Winter.
The day that the anthrax attack happened, there were Senate hearings on the dark winter anthrax attacks.
They had prepared the whole country for an anthrax attack weeks before the anthrax attack, and it turns out the anthrax attack, although they blamed Saddam Hussein and we went to war, it turned out in the FBI I completed this investigation and it came from one of the
three US military labs.
I talk about the identities of the people who were highly likely to have been involved.
And you talk about the top-off drills, which I haven't heard talked about since the 2000s.
You even brought up one that I had never heard of yet, Mars 2017.
So I'm learning new stuff from that chapter as well.
So lots, and as you say, 2,200 footnotes in this book.
It is a treasure trove for researchers like myself, and I'm sure I will be making use of that research in my coming reports.
So thank you for doing that research.
But let's take a look, step back to sort of the bigger picture of what this book is about and what it represents, because hopefully, I would sincerely hope that this best-selling book will have an effect towards, hopefully, exposing Anthony Fauci and what he has been involved with over the years, the blood that is on his hands, and hopefully then, of course, prompting a resignation and a disgrace of that career.
I would sincerely hope that.
But I would assume that's not the end goal of all of this, because as I'm sure you know, if you got rid of a Fauci, there'd be a hundred mini Fauci's willing to take his place.
So what is that end goal?
What are we actually reaching towards when we're confronting this coming biosecurity state?
Well, you know, listen, I talk about the Milgram experiment in this too, about how the intelligence agencies and the health agencies have really Develop these extraordinary techniques for using fear to disable critical thinking.
And, you know, if you look at the whole rationale behind this pandemic, all of these rationales collapse when you look at them.
Why are we mandating vaccines that don't prevent transmission?
What is the possible reason?
Thatís just one of the many absurdities of what weíre doing today, but people who are
subsumed in the orthodoxy, which is the product of orchestrated fear, misinformation and propaganda,
need to be woken up.
As they did learn in the Milgram experiment, 33% of people will violate their own conscience,
their own deeply held values, if theyíre ordered to do so by a medical authority.
I was able to connect for the first time the Milgram experiment to the CIA ties.
And you know, it's one of the things they learn and then you put everybody under house arrest and you impose this kind of Stockholm Syndrome that makes people grateful to their captors and believing that the only way to survival is through absolutely obedience and compliance.
Those fear levels keep people in this state of mass psychosis or hypnosis.
What we need to do, James, and I know this is what you've been trying to do for years in your work and me as well, is just to wake people up.
Liberals in our country do not believe in censorship, and they do not believe, you know, in mandatory medical products and giving things to children that are not proven to be good for them, and all of these things.
They don't blindly trust Big Pharma, right?
Or the intelligence agencies, right?
It goes against all of their values, all of their expressed aspirations of the party, and it's a war on the poor, let's face it.
You know, there are many, many more people have died You know, we made this deal in 1990, early 1990s, you know, globalism of telling the developing world, if you hook into our economies, you start producing commodities rather than subsistence farming, we're going to lift you all out of poverty.
One year we shut down the whole global economy and we tricked them into joining it and now they can't sell any of their product.
There's a hundred million children around the globe.
Put into starvation or, you know, food insecurity, that is going to disable them for a lifetime.
Malnutrition, IQs, everything else, their functionality is far worse.
Tragedy, far more deaths and from the lockdown than from COVID.
And they're definitely young people as opposed to older people.
And, you know, where I live, The death rate from COVID in my community, which is Brentwood, is one third the death rate in Compton.
So all these liberals who think, you know, they're doing the right thing by putting on masks and staying in their house, they're killing people in the poor neighborhoods who are being just destroyed by this lockdown.
And they're not making those connections.
And what I think we need to do, Is to wake people back up and you know once they wake up and they'll do the work for us of restoring democracy, but we need to wake them up and the other side knows the peril for them and that and that's why they're going out of their way to silence us because they cannot afford to have those people woken up.
It won't just be disgrace and firing for Fauci who would be.
Nuremberg trials and, you know, playing rock.
This is it.
This is, yes, the charges that you not only bring but document and really prosecute in this book are extremely serious.
And if we take them seriously, yes, there are some serious consequences to what's coming here.
So, having said that, I fully agree and I'm on board with that agenda.
Having said that, I opened today's conversation with a sarcastic reference to the disinformation dozen which you've been Entrined in.
Because obviously my audience, my regular audience, will see that for the nonsense that it is.
However, even within our movement, question mark, of people who supposedly would be on our side, I guarantee you there will be people, even in my own audience, in the comment section screaming that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
is a controlled opposition and James is a shill for having interviewed him.
Not really recognizing that we are in, I think, the most profound peril towards human liberty that we have seen in our lifetime, facing the construction of a biosecurity state that is going to undermine All of the tenets of Western jurisprudence that we have taken for granted all our lives, we are in the fight for our life, and people are busy fighting each other more so than fighting the real enemies here.
And I want to direct people to a speech that you gave at the Ron Paul Institute in Washington recently, Pandemic and the Road to Totalitarianism, where you, I think, reach out and make that call for unity.
Can you share some of your thoughts on that?
Go even farther than you just went, because I think this is a historical jeopardy to humanity that we've never seen before.
I mean, you know, the Black Plague and World War II are arguably rivals for it, but I would argue this is the worst thing that's ever happened to humanity because the essential ambition of the totalitarian state is to control not just conduct, self-expression and thought.
For the first time in history, because of the technological revolution, the capacity
for totalitarian forces to literally control every aspect of human expression and even
human thought is now unprecedented.
Bill Gates brags that heís going to be able to watch with his 60,000 satellites every
square inch of the earth 24 hours a day.
At least in other parts of history, you could run and you could hide.
Collect forces and begin an opposition, and we can't do that anymore.
And the Chinese, you know, have already deployed this vast array of facial recognition that claims to be capable of reading guilt on people, of looking at facial expressions from a distance and deciding whether somebody is guilty.
So it's literally pre-crime.
It's like minority report.
And that's where we are today.
And you know, in, you know, in Hitler's time, you could run for a border, you could, there was ways that a certain number of people were going to escape and they're going to regroup.
And you could, and they were, there was opposition from other countries.
And today we have a situation where the US military and the CIA are conspiring with the Chinese CIA.
And the Chinese CDC and military scientists developing bioweapons together and lying, conspiring to lie to the public.
You have US federal officials who we know we have communications between Fauci and the Chinese instructing him what to do and what to say in order to hide the origins of this virus.
So we have US federal officials We're conspiring with Chinese military officials to hide truth from the American public and then you look at Australia and Canada, these irreplaceable democracies that are now totalitarian regimes where they're literally building concentration camps.
So, you know, I would say this is Armageddon.
Is the apocalyptic forces of ignorance and greed and totalitarianism and this is the final battle.
We need to win this one.
I agree with you.
This is the fight for the future of the human species, because we are at that level where totalitarianism on a scale never before imaginable is now not only imaginable, but is being implemented.
And if we spend our time fighting with each other, then we lose, and we can't afford to lose this.
So I really hope that people will understand the gravity of this situation.
And I think you lay out a good set, a good chunk of that in this book.
It's ostensibly about Anthony Fauci, but as I say, that is just the hub from which you can explore many different spokes.
Finally, finally, before I let you go, I would be remiss in my duties if I did not ask you about something that's in the news at the moment.
I'll note a couple of years ago, myself and James Edmund Pallotto of MediaMonarchy.com were covering on New World Next Week an Instagram post that you made in which you were talking about the compelling evidence that Sirhan Sirhan was not the murderer of your father, but it was Thayne Eugene
Caesar, and I will link to that edition of Neural next week if people are interested. But obviously
right now as we are recording this conversation, I believe Sirhan Sirhan is still waiting to
hear whether or not he is going to be granted parole. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, you
know Sirhan Sirhan obviously took some shots at my father, but it's also very clear that he did
not fire the shots that killed my father, and anybody even looks at the author, Thompson Gucci, who's
a classic coroner, iconic coroner, who did not believe that Sirhan could have
killed my father.
Sirhan, there were 77 eyewitnesses in the kitchen.
Sirhan was six feet in front of my father at all times.
He fired two shots at my father.
Both of them, we know what happened.
One of them hit Paul Schrade, the UAW leader in the head, who's still alive and fighting for Sirhan now because he knows that Sirhan did not kill my father.
He's one of my father's closest friends.
The other one hit a doorjamb behind my father and was later recovered by the police and then destroyed.
Sirhan was then grabbed by Rosie Greer, Rayford Johnson, and four other men who created a dog pile.
They put his arm behind him and they could not get the gun out of him.
He had like a superhuman strength and he fired the six other bullets and emptied the chamber.
All those bullets hit people.
So all the bullets are accounted for.
My father was shot by four bullets from behind.
One went through his Shoulder pad, one went into his neck, his spinal cord, one was fired directly behind his ear into his head and one into his back.
The ones that went through his body were fired at an upward trajectory and went into the ceiling.
The one lodged in his brain, and we have that, we know it does not match their handguns.
Thomas Noguchi's autopsy found that, which is called in the medical literature, the perfect autopsy, because he did not want to happen to my dad what had happened in Dallas, where everybody had questions.
He flew in the best coroners from all over the country to sit in the theater, including the chief coroner from all the armed services, each one of the services, Marines, the Army, Navy, Air Force, to sit in the theater and watch him.
What he found was that all four of those shots were contact shots.
In other words, the barrel of the gun was touching my father's skin or clothing.
They each left carbon tattoos in his skin.
And that whoever fired those shots was standing directly behind my father, holding the gun against him.
And the man who was in that position was Eugene Dane Caesar.
Who was the security guard who had my father's elbow and who directed them toward the table where Sirhan was.
Sirhan was clearly a distractor and everybody was looking at Sirhan while these shots were fired.
As my father must have known that Cesar was shooting him because he turned and pulled off Cesar's clip-on tie.
And he turned slightly.
He was always facing Sirhan.
As he fell and fell, he had Caesar's knife in his hand.
He fell on Caesar.
And when Caesar got up, he was seen by a dozen witnesses with his gun out.
He later claimed that he had pulled the gun out to fire at Sirhan, but He's changed that story again and again and again, and he disposed of the gun and lied about it.
And, you know, Lisa Pease, when she did her book on my dad this year, which is a wonderful book, it's made some controversial allegations, but I think her research is really impeccable, and she was able to find employment applications of Cesar in which he admits that he
worked for the CIA.
His ostensible job was in the Lockheed plant in Los Angeles.
He had gotten a security job a couple of days earlier.
He had been the one who directed my dad toward Sir Hemph.
As you know, the police collected all the photographs that were taken in that room that
night, 2,800 photographs, and destroyed them before the trial, before Sir Hemph's trial.
They switched bullets to make it appear that the bullet that killed my father was from
Sazeracon.
They used a fake bullet that was fired from a gun in their repository.
The LAPD police who were specifically assigned to investigate his death were all CIA people
who had been pulled out of service in Latin America and brought up to serve on this special
unit.
It was called Special Unit Senator.
They did a cover-up.
They certainly did, at the very least.
There is no doubt that there was a cover-up involved.
You raised Lisa Pease's new book, which I know about.
I haven't read, so I will read that and hopefully get her on to talk about the case in more detail.
But I wanted to bring people up to date on that.
Obviously, again, as we sit here recording this conversation, Sirhan Sirhan is potentially going to be released on parole, so obviously in the news at the moment.
Other than that, most importantly for today's conversation, how do people get a copy of this new book, The Real Anthony Fauci?
And please don't say Jeff Bezos Amazon.
I will not.
The best place you can get it from our point of view is from your local bookstore.
You can do that by walking in or you can go online.
Most of them have online presences.
But the reason that's important is because the New York Times does not pay attention to.
We need To get on the New York Times list, which we should because we sold a huge and unprecedented number in the first week, so we should.
If the New York Times is honest, they will put us number one bestseller, but they do their list in a strange way, which is they base it on sales not on Amazon but on independent bookstores.
If you can buy the book from an independent bookstore, it is going to help us a lot.
We actually have a list on our website of the stores that are the best ones to purchase it from.
It's like the Harvard Coop and that wonderful bookstore in Portland.
I've been there many times, but they're the big sort of well-known independent bookstores around the country.
That's the best place you can do.
If you want to know what you can do for the resistance right now, buy a copy of the book.
I make no money on the book.
I donate all my profits to children's health events, but we need people to read the book.
We need the media, which shuts us out on everything else, to have to acknowledge that this is a bestseller and that people are reading it and that there's an alternate story narrative out there that people are interested in and force the mainstream media to confront that fact.
And the best way to do that, you know, if you have family members who don't agree with you, like me, if you have friends who don't agree with you, one of the things that you can do is send them this book for Christmas.
And the next time they disagree with you, just say, have you read that book?
So it's something everybody can do.
And I know we have a lot of overlapping friends.
And you've been out there longer than anybody, and you've educated a lot of the world, James.
I have a really deep, deep gratitude for you for everything you've done, the deep, deep level of research, but more important than anything else, your reliability as a researcher.
I really have tremendous respect for You know, your precision and your discipline about making sure that what you write about is as close to truth as we can, is then available.
I think all of us, at our best, are engaged in a search for existential truths.
People right now have their minds clouded by fear, by propaganda, and you are really You're a beacon of clarity in a world that is filled with confusion and lies right now, so thank you.
Well, I very much appreciate those words.
I am just a flawed human being doing my best, but I do do my best to be accurate when I can be, so I do very much appreciate that acknowledgement.
And I will, of course, direct people once again to Children's Health Defense, where obviously not just your work, but the work of teams of researchers and writers are doing diligent efforts that we often highlight on New World next week.
So, I will direct people there and to the book itself.
I think we'll leave today's conversation there, but hopefully we can have you back on in the future to continue talking about this, the most important event of our lifetime.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., thank you for joining us today.
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