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Ascending the Spectrum (26 September 2021), "Sloppy Hoax with Dr. Jim Fetzer"

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	Welcome to a very special episode of Ascending the Spectrum.
	I am joined by the usual Magnus Fatshroft and Nate, and we are also joined by a very special guest, Dr. Jim Fetzer.
	How are you doing, sir?
	Oh, terrific, and I am delighted to be joining you today.
	I think this is a great idea of a panel discussion of a very complex and controversial issue.
	Oh, definitely.
	Definitely.
	Especially since we have a contrarian in here who actually believes that this happened, but it's for a good discussion, you know?
	It's okay with me.
	I take all comers.
	I love debate and discussion, including the fact that after 35 years as a professor of philosophy, offering principally courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning, I spent my whole career fostering the ability to reason an argument where I believe that Sir Karl Popper, the great British philosopher, has had it right when he said that rational debate is our most effective method to discovering truth.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And if everyone's just agreeing with each other, it honestly isn't as entertaining or like thought-provoking, I should say.
	Like, you definitely get more out of it if there's another side of an argument.
	And for once, for the Ascending the Spectrum argument, I'm not going to be playing the role of Devil's Advocate.
	I'm actually 100% on Jack's side with this one.
	So, yeah, hell has officially frozen over.
	I think our contrarian today is going to be Fashcroft of all things.
	I'm going to be the official story cook today.
	Well, you've got your own unique angle on things, I think.
	For starters, Dr. Fesker, it's great to have you with us.
	What got you interested in the Sandy Hook Masker, of all things?
	Well, I began actually with research on JFK way back when, in the wake of Oliver Stone's magisterial film in 1991.
	I was in 1992 just watching TV when my wife said—actually, I didn't have it on yet, just reading the paper, drinking a cup of coffee—and my wife said, you're not going to believe this, turn on the TV.
	And there's this distinguished-looking guy standing behind a podium with the logo of the American Medical Association announcing everyone who'd ever done serious research on JFK.
	I knew this was completely wrong.
	He turned out to be the editor-in-chief of the Journal of the American Medical Association, colloquially known as JAMA.
	His name was George Lundberg.
	And it occurred to me that if someone with this degree of prestige was going to abuse his journal for political purposes, perhaps some of us with special background and ability ought to become involved.
	I had, for example, 10 years of editing experience at the time with an international journal, Synthes, for epistemology, methodology, and the philosophy of science.
	I had this 35 years at that time Let's see, it would have been like 20, 25 years of teaching these courses in logic and critical thinking, and I had a lot of resources available, so I followed the journal and how it proceeded.
	They were touting interviews with the two Primary physicians at Bethesda for the autopsy, James Humes and T. Thornton Boswell, and presenting it as science, but interviews with physicians isn't science.
	He was also claiming it was new.
	When it wasn't news, they'd already given these interviews before.
	So, the head of our medical school, where I was on the Duluth campus of the University of Minnesota, had a subscription, and I was following.
	He was actually already violating the policies of the journal by doing an interview about an article that wasn't yet in the hands of the readers.
	And I followed up and there was a letter there from a guy that resonated with my views.
	His name was David W. Mantig.
	He had both a PhD, it would turn out, in physics from Wisconsin and an MD from Michigan, board certified of radiation oncology, which of course is a treatment of cancer using x-ray therapy.
	So I reached out to him and I said, I suggest we collaborate on a long article or a book, with which he agreed.
	Shortly thereafter, several others would join us, but he told me, he explained how he had permission of Burke Marshall, who is a Kennedy family attorney, professor of law emeritus at Yale, to enter the National Archives and study the autopsy x-rays, and that he suspected he would discover both Evidence of a second shot to the head and that the autopsy x-rays had been altered, and in fact he discovered both, that got me very deeply hooked.
	So I've done a huge amount of research on JFK.
	I have specialized in bringing together groups of experts on different aspects of these issues Which may be one of my greatest strengths.
	I know what I do not know.
	I do not feign or pretend to know things I don't, so I bring in the best experts.
	David, for example.
	Then Bob Livingston, World Authority on the Human Brain, who is also an expert on wound ballistics, having supervised an emergency medical hospital for injured Okinawans and Japanese prisoner of war during the Battle of Okinawa.
	Jack White, a legendary photo and film analyst in JFK.
	Charles Crenshaw, who is the last physician to attend JFK, actually closed his eyes as he was being wrapped in sheets to be put in that bronze ceremonial casket.
	John P. Costella, another PhD in physics, this time an expert in the area of electromagnetism, where he produced a tutorial about home movies, in particular this Bruder film, that showed how, while the film was technically about 98% flawless, that the 2% gave it away, just to give you a simple illustration.
	They took out the Semin three-way sign, and it partially obscured a part of the motorcade because there were holes in the sign from shots that the government didn't want to acknowledge had occurred, and when they put it back in, they put it in the wrong place.
	So you had this offset freeway sign, and of course no one would think that's A controversial issue.
	But when the sign turns out to be in the wrong place, you know, something is very, very wrong.
	They merged two shots to the head, one from behind.
	And by the way, these occurred after the driver, William Greer, pulled the limousine to the left and to a halt to make sure Jack would be killed.
	He'd already been hit twice.
	Once in the back, five and a half inches below the collar, just to the right of the spinal column from behind.
	And once in the throat from in front, a shot that actually passed through the windshield en route to its target.
	But he was still alive.
	So Greer pulled up, and I've discovered 15 indications of Secret Service complicity in saying him up for the hit.
	So Greer pulled the limo to the left to a halt to make sure he would be killed.
	He was hitting the back of the head, slumped forward, Jackie eased him back.
	I was looking him right in the face when he was hitting the right temple by a bullet that blew his brains out the back of his head.
	In fact, David has now discovered that there appears to have been a third shot to the head.
	I mean, this is just utterly fascinating stuff.
	But because this was such an obvious indication of Secret Service complicity, they had to take it out, so that the extent film we have, which is 487 frames long, the original would have been a thousand, so they removed more than the frames that have remained.
	The editing was done at a secret CIA lab called Hawkeye Works, adjacent to Kodak headquarters in Rochester.
	Now, the point I'm making is, I got my feet wet when I was still on the faculty at the University of Minnesota Duluth.
	In 1992, I organized a conference the university sponsored on the death of JFK in Minneapolis in 1999, but I'd already published my first book called Assassination Science, where I brought together these expert studies.
	Bob Livingston, for example, discovered that the The brain shown in diagrams in the National Archive is not even the brain of JFK.
	Jack actually had half his brains blown out in Dealey Plaza.
	This is virtually a completely intact brain.
	Now, I could have made that observation, but how much better coming from a world authority on the human brain?
	So I put together a whole lot of resources, including the Bethesda autopsy report, Admiral Berkeley, Jack's personal physician, had written a death certificate, blah blah.
	I put all these marvelous resources together and deep up my books.
	And I have over two dozen academic or scholarly books on the theoretical foundations of scientific knowledge, of computer science, of artificial intelligence, of cognitive science, on evolution and mentality, but now also over a dozen books In the area of what I call conspiracy research.
	But this, which was my very first, was by far the most successful and had the greatest impact.
	Went through 14 printings.
	So that, you know, that's the only book where I ever actually got a, you know, a check of any significance.
	from a publisher for any of my books.
	That one.
	But of course, that was because it was blowing the cover up apart.
	And once you blow apart the cover up and sort out the difference between the authentic and the fabricated evidence, where the CIA specializes in the fabrication of evidence, the pieces fall together pretty effortlessly.
	You know, I mean, how many?
	Think of it this way.
	How many individuals or groups could have extended their reach into Bethesda Naval Hospital to offer autopsy photographs of JFK?
	Certainly not the KGB.
	Absolutely.
	So to sort of move towards, give our readers some background.
	So when you first, I think when people first started reading about Sandy Hook, there was a lot of previous mass shootings that had occurred.
	Of course, everyone remembers Columbine, the Aurora shooter, and there have been several school shootings that sort of led up to this one as well.
	And at least with the people that I know, there was a lot of A lot of immediate suspicion.
	Did you feel that way when you first were made aware of it?
	Were you immediately suspicious or did this come sort of afterward?
	Well, Jack, I know you wanted to promote me to Sandy Hook, but if you give me just a minute or two more, I'm explaining how I have specialized in bringing together groups of experts that sort these things out.
	That was my first book on JFK.
	There would be a sequel, Murder and Dealey Plaza, in 2000.
	A third, The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, 2003.
	I then founded Scholars for 9-11 Truths in 2005.
	So I now today have four books on JFK.
	I have two on 9-11.
	I've been flown around the world to give lectures and talks about 9-11.
	And the fact is, what I'm building up to is the following.
	I have an approach that's proven to be extremely successful of bringing together groups of experts that sort these things out.
	Now, it has a whole host of benefits because you're criticizing one another, explaining, you know, I mean, the probability of one person making mistakes is maybe significant.
	But when you put together, in the case of Sandy Hook, My book on Sandy Hook, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, had 13 contributors, including six Ph.D., current or retired professors, where we established this school had been closed by 2008, that there were no students there, and that this had been a FEMA drill.
	Well, we even discovered the manual, which I included in the book.
	So what I'm doing is giving you background to say, when I hit Sandy Hook, I was already well-experienced in doing research into conspiracies.
	And by the way, you know, they use that phrase, conspiracy theorists, it's just to deceive the public.
	Let me give you a perfect illustration of the absurdity.
	Robert David Steele, who is a former CIA, had a major presence on the internet.
	I collaborated with him on a memorandum for the president, then of course Donald Trump on Sandy Hook, and then a second memorandum for Donald Trump on 9-11, which are still masterpieces.
	I believe you can still access, download them for free on his website.
	Robert was affected with respiratory distress.
	This is about a month, five weeks or a month and a half ago.
	Went into a hospital, had his own ivermectin, which he wanted to be given.
	The doctors wouldn't let him take it.
	He was a very outspoken, formidable guy.
	So they sedated him.
	Put him on a ventilator and he died.
	Well, among those who were criticizing him, they were saying it was a conspiracy theorist.
	I said, think about it.
	How absurd is that?
	The guy came from the CIA, which is conspiracy central, for God's sake.
	The CIA is conducting conspiracies all over the world, overthrowing the government of Iran in 1953.
	Mossadegh, the democratically elected government, most Americans are still so naive.
	They think the whole interchange with Iran began when the hostage crisis in 1979.
	They don't understand the background.
	No, it was way before that.
	I'm sorry?
	I was going to say, it's way before that.
	That the CIA and all the whole thing with Iran, it's been way before that.
	It was 1953.
	Yeah.
	Well, I was saying most Americans think it was the hostage crisis of 1979.
	Yeah, yeah, with the airplanes.
	Took control of the American embassy, right?
	Now listen, also overthrowing Salvador Allende in Chile, they actually machine gunned him in his own palace, you know?
	Because Henry Kissinger thought, you know, Chilean people don't know well enough who should be there.
	I'm trying to overthrow Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh, and, I mean, Muammar Gaddafi.
	We're doing this all over the world, so it's simply absurd to complain about a former CIA guy.
	He's a conspiracy theorist.
	He knows wherever he speaks.
	I know wherever I speak, and I recently published a piece entitled Conspiracy theorists are investigating crimes.
	That's why they want to silence us.
	We're investigating crimes that typically lead back to the government.
	So they're very clever in trying to denounce people as a conspiracy theorist, because if they can stop anyone from investigating the crimes, they're not going to be exposed.
	Well, I'm precisely the opposite.
	I mean, we all know from Eric Stryker's reporting on national justice that the FBI is not interested in investigating crimes and they're interested in investigating those that actually do.
	Yes, that's right.
	That's exactly right.
	And I don't mean to preempt all kinds of comments and reactions you may have already, but the point I'm making is the following.
	In addition to my research on JFK and 9-11, I co-authored research on Paul Wellstone, Where John P. Costello, the PhD in electromagnetism, and I were tramping around in 35 below zero weather, picking up chunks of the wreckage, you know, in Eveleth, Virginia, where the crash occurred just 60 miles north.
	And then I published a whole series on bringing together these groups of experts.
	And I tell you, the probability that a group of experts are going to be wrong is getting very, very small when you have 13.
	I mean, even if you assume there was a 50% chance, which is absurd for a PhD, and remember, that's a research degree.
	The reason a PhD matters is because you've been certified by experts to be qualified to conduct original research.
	So if you said absurdly it was one-half, whenever you get to six PhDs, it's one-half times one-half times one-half times one... I mean, it just gets to be a very small number, and of course the idea of a PhD having a 50% probability of being faulty in its research is ridiculous!
	It's going to be more like 90-95%.
	But to guard against making mistakes, I bring together groups of experts, and we pool our resources, and I publish the books.
	Now, when I published Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, Amazon banned it less than a month after it had aired, even though it had sold 500 copies, nearly 500 copies.
	Now, you'd think a book publisher would like a book that had sold nearly 500 copies in less than a month.
	But they wanted to ban it because it was too good.
	In fact, I'm certain there was a CIA intervention.
	I was approached, this was just two days before the ban, by this television program, First Edition.
	And they said they wanted to interview me about the results we had about Sandy Hook.
	But first I had to do a pre-interview interview.
	And immediately I found myself in a basement operation in Langley.
	I'm making the assessment based upon the background noise and the way he conducted this guy.
	A professional interrogator, just no pleasantries, just says, what do you got?
	What do you got?
	What do you got?
	And I started explaining about the 13 and PhDs, and that we had the manual, and how we had all this proof confirming the manual, the sign, everyone must check in, the port-a-potty's already in place, the food, the pizza, bottled water at the firehouse, so many with name tags on lanyards, parents bringing children to the scene, no parent's gonna bring a child to the scene of a child shooting massacre.
	But because it was a rehearsal, this was treated as a festive event.
	I just went on explaining the evidence, laying it out.
	He kept asking, what he got, what he got, what he got.
	Then he just ended, you know?
	And the next thing I knew, the book had been banned, because obviously what I got was too much, way too much to tolerate.
	But subsequently, we published it.
	My co-editor, who was a series editor, I edited all the contents and brought together all the contributors, but he proposed the title and he wrote a preface to the book, and then I was responsible for the rest.
	We knew at that point we had to find our own mode of distribution because Amazon was not going to be cooperative, so we found it moonrockbooks.com.
	And if you were to visit Moonrock Books, since you won't see the full display now, but we publish 12 books at Amazon.com, six of which have been banned by Amazon, 12 books, 12 volumes at Moonrock Books, six of which have been banned by Amazon.com, not only on Sandy Hook, but on the Boston Bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, even the moon landing, for God's sake.
	So I'm just telling you, you know, the suppression.
	Now, what happened that they didn't expect is when they banned the book, I knew it was political and going to argue with Amazon was going to be pointless.
	So I immediately released the book for free as a PDF.
	And a friend of mine who follows these matters tells me by his calculation, the book has downloaded some 10 million times from the Internet, which is fantastic because I wasn't interested in making any money.
	I was interested in getting the word out.
	So, apparently because I was so successful getting the word out, I was subjected to a lawsuit a couple years ago.
	Very, very contrived.
	Very artificial.
	Yeah, I remember this.
	It was a defamation suit, wasn't it?
	Yeah, because I declared a death certificate that the plaintiff, who calls himself Leonard Posner, is supposed to be the father of one of the deceased kids, had shared with a colleague of mine, who is a contributor to the book, a woman by the name of Kelly Watt, who had a hundred hours of conversation with Leonard Posner, the guy who calls himself, saying she didn't believe a word he said, didn't believe he had a son, didn't believe his son had died.
	And he told her one day, he said, just check out here on my Google Plus page.
	And he put up some documents, including a death certificate.
	Well, Kelly shared this with me.
	We've got her affidavit that the...
	document we published in the book, and it appears there on several different pages, was the same document he gave to her.
	It has no file number, it has no state certification, it has no town certification, and guess what?
	It turns out in Connecticut, not even parents are allowed to have an uncertified death certificate.
	In any case, they ran a gambit on me.
	I mean, it was very, very clever.
	Attached to the complaint was not a copy of the death certificate I published in the book, but one that had the file number, that had the state certification, that had the town certification.
	And in the complaint, and I recognize this was absurd at the time, it said, The document I published and this document were not materially different, which is completely absurd because obviously file number, town and state certifications are material differences.
	Make a difference to the legal status of the document.
	Well, during the course of the hearing, it was actually subject to a summary judgment, but before we even got that far, the judge in the opening discussion about planning out the sequence denied me the right to introduce all that evidence, even what I've been telling you so far, which is a minuscule portion of all the evidence I have.
	He said we weren't going to go down that rabbit hole.
	And now while he realized that I had a different opinion about this, he had nothing.
	He said in so many words, it has nothing to do with the accuracy of the truthfulness of the death certificate.
	Get this, even though the death certificate says the decedent died at Sandy Oak Elementary School on 14 December 2012 of multiple gunshot wounds.
	I mean, this is what I confronted in the legal system.
	And, you know, that's a long story, and I'm sure you have other questions you want to address, and I'm going to take a pause.
	I'll take a deep breath here and let everyone kick in any thoughts they have.
	John or Magnus or Nate, go ahead.
	Well, to kind of build off of your case, even the FBI says in that month in Newtown, Connecticut, zero people died.
	Yeah, zero murders and non-negligent homicides in the FBI Consolidated Crime Report for 2012.
	How about that?
	Yeah, weird how that works, right?
	Yeah, but doesn't that sound like, hold on, doesn't that sound like bullshit in and of itself?
	You're telling me nobody was murdered at all?
	It's on the FBI's website.
	Let's take Newtown out of it.
	That was only in the town of Newtown, of course.
	Yeah, that sounds absurd.
	That sounds absurd on its face.
	Like, did nobody die at all?
	What are the demographics of Newtown, Connecticut, though?
	Yeah, Newtown's apparently... This isn't Oklahoma City or Tulsa.
	Yeah, yeah, this is a relatively small community, and it's a high-rent district, and yeah, I don't think they had any murders in Newtown that year, but notice if there had been 20 kids and 6 adults, and there would have been 26, and since they count him committing suicide as a murder, you're murdering yourself, there should have been 27 murders or non-negligent homicides in Newtown, of which Sandy Hook is a suburb, if the event had been real.
	So there you have a prima facie argument that the whole Sandy Hook business was a hoax.
	I mean, the amount of evidence I have is simply overwhelming.
	It's detailed.
	It's very specific.
	And of course, you got the PDF, I gather.
	Jack sent it to you.
	So you have some idea of what we're talking about.
	Continue.
	John, did you want a lodging complaint?
	No, no, go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	I was actually reading... I'm trying to find out if suicide... I've never heard that suicide is considered murder.
	I've never heard that.
	Ever.
	But I'm not saying that it's false or not, so I'm looking into that right now.
	Okay!
	I'm looking... yeah.
	Well, I'm not infallible, but that's my understanding, that it would be classified as a murder, but you'd get in the fine print, obviously, and sort out suicides.
	So I think some of the more controversial stuff that you... controversial from somebody that is, you know, that's...
	I'm sympathetic to believing that Sandy Hook is a gay op, so I think all of us here will agree that something isn't right about it, that the official story is wrong.
	Yeah, even me!
	Where we disagree is maybe in what way is the story wrong, or on what angle was the gay op perpetrated.
	From that perspective, going into it, that we already don't believe the main story.
	One of the more controversial things you present in the book is the idea that the school itself was closed down and abandoned since, I think, 2008.
	Can you speak a little bit more about that and tell us your thoughts on that?
	Well, and we've had further confirmation that was the case independently.
	Well, there were multiple indications.
	I mean, the condition of the school as it existed in 2012 was appalling.
	2012 was appalling. I mean, look, it was loaded with all kinds of stuff being stashed inside
	the various rooms.
	There were furniture shoved up against the wall, even of Classroom 10, where one of the major shootings was supposed to have taken place.
	They fabricated the bullet holes.
	That is true.
	That is actually true.
	going through the window frame, aluminum window frame, by drilling them.
	I mean, they'd use a drill to fake bullets.
	I mean, no one experienced with ballistics or firearms would believe that.
	They imposed a lifetime gag order on those who were involved in demolishing the old school.
	That is true.
	That is actually true.
	I found that.
	Yeah, good, good, yeah.
	So he couldn't talk about anything they saw or didn't see, which would have included no blood on the floor, no pockmarks on the wall.
	Can I give my opinion on that real quick?
	Sure.
	My opinion on a gag order for people involved in that is because people are pieces of shit.
	People will absolutely try to profit off of dead children, right?
	They'll try to write their own version of what they saw in there, because people suck, right?
	That's the nature.
	I think if I was in charge of a situation like that, and I was having a school demolished that had killed a bunch of kids, let's just assume that the kids did get killed there.
	I would do the same thing.
	I'm like, no dude, you're not gonna go write a book about shit you saw here that's unconfirmed and you get to put your own, like you don't have the right to do that.
	You don't have the right to make money off of dead children.
	Right like and this is I'm not saying one way that I'm just saying assuming that it was real Assuming that kids actually did die there.
	I would have done the same thing like no you Fucking demo guy for some sketchy construction company because I work in construction the guys who do demolition are not like skilled tradesmen These are like sketchy prisoners that come to do demo like there's a company called arc wrecking that I work with all the time and I wouldn't let these guys cut my front yard, right?
	They're sketchy individuals.
	So, like, it doesn't surprise me that they don't allow people to, like, give their version of what they saw at a place where a tragedy happened, if it did happen, right?
	John, John, that would be a reasonable interpretation if you didn't know.
	For example, that the school was not compliant with American for Disability Act.
	I checked both the state and the federal.
	It had to have handicapped parking.
	It had to have all the entries and exits wheelchair accessible.
	It was not the case.
	So it couldn't have even been legally operating in 2012.
	When you notice that the parents weren't allowed to see their dead children in the school, but were identified using photographs.
	Well, it turns out we've discovered they manufactured the photographs using photographs of older kids when they were younger, when you realize there was no surge of ambulances to rush their little bodies off to hospitals where they could be pronounced dead or alive by physicians, when you recognize that there were supposed to be 469 other students there, as well as 70 staff, janitors, secretaries, administrators, but there was no evacuation.
	None!
	I mean, this would have required a long series of buses to load all these kids.
	It didn't happen.
	In fact, the one entrance in and out was so blocked, Dickinson Drive was so congested, you couldn't have got a bus that are out of there if you wanted to.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Well, now, and I, I'm gonna give the caveat here that I will agree that video can be fake, but like, I have, I have seen, and I'm not saying this is real just because I saw it, right, they could have staged it, but whatever, but I've seen the evacuation efforts from that day, I've seen them marching people out, and as far as, like, loading children out on buses, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, yeah, go ahead.
	What you say you saw, there's a famous photograph that was sent all over the world, looked like a string of maybe 15 kids and a policewoman.
	That was put on the front page of every newspaper in the world.
	Turns out that was taken by Shannon Hicks, who's a photojournalist for the Newtown Bee, this tiny Newtown paper.
	Well, guess what?
	She took an earlier photograph, just minutes before, where you can see a whole bunch of parents standing around with their arms folded, hand in their pocket, and the policewoman is rearranging the kids to get a better shot.
	So instead of having a little girl in a pink sweater and a short skirt, they put a little boy, taller, with a blue sweater and blue jeans.
	Can you imagine, number one, what in the world would parents be doing there?
	Do you think during this shootout, this mass murder someone taught?
	I was actually about to bring that up too.
	Yeah.
	Don't you think if you were a parent, you wouldn't just snatch your kid and get the hell out of Dodge?
	And there are other parents in the background when I explain how, you know, they fake this, who are just sitting there looking, leading me to describe that photograph as lounging at the massacre.
	Now, John, listen, the state police gave very specific locations and times where the evacuation was supposed to be taking place.
	Well, guess what?
	We have dash cam footage for those locations and times and there's nothing there.
	There's nothing going on now.
	We're often told you can't prove a negative, but that's false.
	You can prove, for example, there's no elephant in your living room, which is a negative, by going to your living room and looking for signs of the presence of elephant.
	Finding none, you're entitled to infer that's because there's no elephant there.
	If you go to the location and the times where the evacuation was supposed to be taking place and sees no signs of any evacuation taking place, you're entitled to infer that's because no evacuation was taking place.
	And I'm telling you, there weren't even any students at school.
	It wasn't even open.
	Here's something else.
	It was a 38 degree ground temperature day.
	Now that's above freezing, but it's still very, very chilly.
	They could not have conducted classes inside this building if it were heated. So you
	should have had heater steam coming up from the building, but there's no heater steam there, no
	doubt, because the boilers were dysfunctional from non-use and they couldn't heat them up.
	Honestly, those who are running this wouldn't have even thought of it. Here's something else
	they did that was incredibly stupid.
	In the parking lot, there's a string of two vehicles in the middle.
	Now, the driving instructions have you come in off Dickinson, curl right, turn around, then park facing away from the school.
	But all the cars there are parked facing the school.
	They just brought in a single string of cars and put them in two by two by two.
	I mean, who was even going to notice?
	After all, they were just props.
	I mean, you start putting all the pieces together and you realize this was an enormous scam, and therefore, well, yes, under other circumstances, if it had been a real shooting, they might have want to muzzle the contractors so they wouldn't seek to profit off it.
	This was for the opposite reason.
	So they couldn't talk about what they did not see, which would have been no blood on the floor, no pockmarks on the wall.
	Continue.
	So, Getting back to like uh the parents being there and standing around and also the bringing of kids to to the site right so I'm a parent I don't I only have one kid but I'm just assuming if I had another kid I work all day my wife works from home she's able to go out and do things that she needs to so if there was a shooting at my school at my son's school right and my wife got the call like hey there was a shooting at your son's school you need to come get him and we had another kid
	She's not just going to leave him here by herself, right?
	She's going to take that kid with her, and she's also not going to run into the building if there's a possible shooting.
	She's going to wait where the police tell her to wait until she gets her kid.
	Like, that's normal human behavior.
	People are largely cowards, and they're afraid of things like that.
	Like, most people aren't going to run into gunfire, especially not like women.
	What would the parents even be doing there?
	How would they even know the shooting was going on?
	I mean, it's supposed to be still going on.
	How would the parents have gotten there?
	Look, look, the parents were just casually looking on.
	There's no anxiety here.
	There's no intensity.
	In fact, this was true of the whole event.
	I'm not the only to make this observation.
	No one was acting with intensity.
	Get this.
	The cops went out and had lunch in the parking lot after allegedly seeing this pile of dead kids who were all shot up in the school.
	Now that's ridiculous.
	You wouldn't be able to eat if it had been real and they'd witnessed it.
	They alleged witness it, but they were still ready to chow down.
	I mean...
	John, look, I respect you're having a different point of view, but you're not coming to grips with the evidence.
	Did you look at my critique where I explained thoroughly the difference between the two photographs and how they rearranged the kids to get a better shot?
	One thing I was going to bring up was Gene Rosen.
	That amazing interview.
	Yeah, just six kids getting randomly dropped off in front of his driveway by a school bus.
	That doesn't add up.
	That was bizarre.
	Yeah, and he also had like a very sketchy story about it too.
	Yeah, I'll give you that.
	That is an excellent point because think about it.
	As I said, Dickinson Drive was so congested, you couldn't have got a bus in or out of there anyway.
	But Gene Rosen claimed he dropped off, what, I think, four or five, you know, he's given different numbers on different occasions.
	His home, by the way, is right next to the firehouse.
	And he said he brought them in and gave them orange juice and they played with stuffed animals until they started telling him what had happened and that their teacher was dead.
	Well, this is absurd!
	I agree.
	These kids were not in his custody.
	These weren't his children.
	You think a bus driver's just gonna drop off a random assortment at a random house?
	So Gene Rosen, who by the way has credits as an actor, as do many of the others involved in this whole shebang, you know, he's just a farce.
	It's just ridiculous how gullible the American people are.
	I mean, to even believe a story like that from the beginning, that several kids who were not his children, not in his custody, were dropped off at his home and he just ushered them in and gave them orange juice and stuffed animals.
	I mean, it's just absurd on its face.
	The first thing those kids would have said would have been something about the murder of their teacher.
	That would have been like the first things out of their mouth.
	I will agree with that.
	Like I said, I don't disagree with the fact that there's some weird shit going on.
	Here's my thing with it, Mr. Fetzer.
	In my opinion, it is far easier to go get a retard to shoot a place up than it is to completely stage a completely fake event,
	right?
	I just think it's so much easier for them to get a retarded kid like Adam Lanza
	to go do something dumb. Like, I could do that.
	I have the ability to go get some of these anti-social weirdos that exist in this world
	and I could juice them up to go shoot a place up.
	Like, that's not a hard thing to do, you know?
	John, they learned after 9-11 that when you kill people, their family, their spouses can get pissed off.
	So, as the Jersey Girls, it was four widows from 9-11 victims who put pressure on Bush and Cheney to form the 9-11 Commission, which Bush and Cheney did not want to do.
	They held off for some 441 days.
	So, if you kill people, then you've got to deal with the consequences of having... If you have actors, they're all under your control.
	They're cooperative.
	They're not going to talk.
	They're getting paid.
	So you just misjudge the motives involved here.
	They found it much easier to control.
	And by the way, let me give you another idea here.
	At the Boston bombing, it was similar.
	There was no string of ambulances to attend.
	In fact, we had real physicians who were blocked by the Boston cops from lending assistance because he would have discovered that they hadn't actually just lost their limbs, that they were amputee actors.
	And as a former artillery officer in the Marine Corps, I can tell you those puff bombs weren't strong enough to kill anybody, unless maybe you were sitting right on top of them.
	And the shrapnel was so perfunctory that you have all kinds of banners and flags right beside the source of one of these explosions, and they're completely intact.
	They're not shredded.
	You see some of these parties have torn jeans but their legs aren't bleeding.
	I mean, I can't tell you how phony and fake all this stuff turns out to be.
	It's just completely outrageous.
	And one of those amputees, wasn't he seen at a Boston Bruins game like a week later?
	Something like really soon after?
	You're talking about Jeff Bowman, so-called.
	There appeared to have been three Jeff Bowmans.
	Now, actually, the guy who was lying there on the ground while someone in a hoodie was attaching a false bone extension to make it look more horrific, And mind you, you got the bodies lying there and there's no blood whatsoever, so that Dr. Lorraine Day, who was ahead of trauma surgery at San Francisco General Hospital for 25 years, has made the point, it's a physiological impossibility to have arms and legs blown off by explosives and there to be no blood.
	The blood only shows up later and it came out of these little orange blood kits.
	There were a half a dozen strewn around there in the aftermath.
	But the blood never changed color.
	I mean, it was Hollywood, but fake blood.
	I'm looking at a picture right now of the Boston bombing, and there's like blood and paper and shit everywhere.
	Yeah, but what I'm telling you, it was fake blood.
	You didn't hear me explain that.
	It came out of these little orange duffel bags.
	They were fake blood kits.
	You're not looking at the right evidence because we have plenty of photographs before the blood showed up.
	That's the point I'm making.
	So, you know.
	If you pick and choose your evidence, this is what the CIA would like you to do, then
	you're not adopting the right methodology.
	What you have to do is look for the evidence that might falsify an account, not one that'll
	confirm it.
	The CIA...
	Well, I just typed in...
	All I did was type in Boston bombing scene, and there's like hundreds of pictures here
	with blood and bodies and...
	Don't you realize that the internet is controlled now that of course it used to be you could get all this good stuff and you could see it.
	Look, I got a whole book on it, for crying out loud.
	You know, the fact that you think naively you can just go on the internet and it's going to pop out, that's what the government wants you to see.
	I'm telling you the facts of the matter, and the government's not.
	I mean, that's why they're calling me a conspiracy theorist.
	I thought we'd crossed that bridge already.
	Yeah, but back to San Diego.
	Mr. Fester, I will never call you a conspiracy theorist.
	I don't want you to think I'm being a dick.
	I'm just giving you my opinion here.
	I am also, you know, people would call me a conspiracy theorist about a bunch of things.
	Like, I thoroughly believe and can prove that NASA was started by Satanists.
	Right?
	Like, I believe that and I believe that I can prove that.
	So, people would call me a conspiracy theorist on plenty of things.
	I'm just giving you... I'm just talking with you, you know?
	Go to the moon!
	So, you know... Fair enough!
	And I would not argue against that.
	We had eight different assassin shooters of JFK and none of them was named Lee Harvey Oswald, who was actually standing in the doorway of the book depository when the JFK motorcade passed by.
	So, you know.
	And I've got videos on all this stuff.
	I've got one on Sandy Hook and the Boston Bonding combined.
	I've got separate on the Boston Bonding.
	Look for my stuff.
	Because, you know, there are others, especially on Sandy Hook, who did a lot of brilliant work, and frankly, hundreds of videos disproving the official account have been taken down.
	You've got to understand.
	Not just Amazon is banning, but YouTube is censoring, Twitter is deleting, Facebook is suppressing.
	These are all basically owned by the same monster, the Rothschilds, who are running the shop here and don't want us to know anything they don't want us to know.
	So they're not going to let you see anything they don't want you to see if it's on the YouTube.
	But if you go to BitChute, for example, or 153news.net, I mean, look, YouTube has probably taken down, I'm going to guess, 200 of my videos, I'm going to guess.
	But the fact is, you can find most of them on 153news.net, and if you go to my blog at jamesfetzer.org, right on the menu bar, it says older videos and more recent videos, and you can get access.
	Just check out any on the Boston bombing and you'll see what I'm talking about.
	Well yeah, that's the thing about like... So, first of all, I know that censorship is a thing.
	They do that to guys like us all the time, right?
	I just got banned from Trovo without ever even getting a strike.
	They just completely nuked my channel because of the things I say.
	I agree with that.
	Like, I understand that.
	But the thing is, is like, you...
	And gosh, I don't want this to sound rude.
	I'm not trying to be rude.
	I'm just saying what I'm finding.
	You can search and find all of your stuff, right?
	All of your stuff is, well, a lot of your stuff.
	I don't know everything you've ever done, but most of your stuff is accessible.
	Like if I type in DuckDuckGo and I type in Sandy Hook, almost all of it is you.
	And that's the thing, right?
	Every reference to Sandy Hook being fake comes from you, right?
	And even other people, like I've seen another one that was on exposing the cabal or some weird shit like that.
	And it was just referencing your book, right?
	So it's like a circular thing.
	Stop and think about it.
	I got 13 contributors to my book!
	It's not just me.
	One of them is Paul Preston.
	He's a former school administrator.
	He's got his own show called Agenda 21.
	Paul Preston had supervised these active shooter drills in the past.
	He was so disturbed By what he saw being broadcast from Newtown that day, they reached out to his contacts in the Obama Department of Education, all of whom confirmed to him it had been a drill, no students, no kids had been harmed, and it was done to promote gun control.
	That's right from the Obama Department of Education.
	And I mentioned we get other confirmations.
	In 2010, there was a very fascinating, and it's in several of my presentations, a contractor was visiting a friend, as I recall, it was in Chalk Hill, which is a hop, skip, and a jump away.
	And unbeknownst to him, his host was going over to Newtown to pick up some student desks on the cheap for his students to use.
	And he went to San Diego Elementary School, and the contractor was appalled.
	The condition was terrible.
	There were watermarks, stains everywhere.
	The school had even been flooded.
	He said it was a mess.
	He said the caretaker there said he thought the school was going to be demolished.
	It was loaded with asbestos and other biohazards.
	I'm telling you, there was an independent confirmation from a guy who was there in 2010.
	So, you know.
	And then we have, get this, it's rather fascinating, too.
	The mayor of Boston was on a show called Greater Boston that was hosted by Andy Rooney's daughter just weeks before, just weeks before, less than a month before Sandy Hook.
	And he was boasting about how he was buddies with Vice President Biden.
	And he said the vice president had assured him that gun control would be a done deal by January of 2013.
	Well, that's two months away!
	And she said, my goodness, what could happen to cause legislation to pass so fast?
	He wouldn't say, but obviously he was talking about Sandy Hook.
	It was a staged event brought to us by Barack Obama.
	Eric Holder, the governor of Pennsylvania, the Connecticut State Police, Newtown School Board.
	Did you know they got $50 million for a new school when the average cost for a kindergarten through fourth, which is what it was, is only $7?
	They got $7 times $7 million to put up a new school?
	What was this?
	A Taj Mahal of elementary schools?
	I mean, it's just absurd.
	You keep going.
	Sympathetic but gullible Americans contributed between 27 and 130 million dollars to the survivors.
	So you got 26 families divide.
	That's between 1 and 5 million bucks for pretending to have lost a child at Sandy Hook.
	And I guarantee you every one of them is pretending.
	I'll tell you how bad it gets.
	Right now there's a lawsuit of Soto versus Bushmaster in Connecticut.
	And the woman, the primary, this is nine of the alleged Sandy Hook parents by the name of Donna Soto, who's supposed to be the mother of one of the teachers, Victoria Soto, also played the role of Susan Brough in Charlottesville, the mother of Heather Heyer.
	It's the same woman.
	Several of my presentations show a superposition.
	It's that same woman.
	This is how insulting they are, how in our face.
	This is all disgusting and outrageous.
	And I sought to intervene in the lawsuit there in Connecticut and explain how they were going about this without determining whether or not anyone had died at Sandy Hook.
	And I explained how there's never been a judicial determination.
	And in fact, just as an aside for your benefit, there was a report by Danbury State's Attorney Stephen Sedensky III about Sandy Hook.
	And guess what?
	In the course of his report, he could not tie together the alleged shooter Adam Lanza with his alleged victims or the weapons he's supposed to have used.
	Get this.
	He reports there were no fingerprints of Adam Lons on the rifle used to shoot his mother, and that of the 150 slogs plus they gathered from the classroom, none of them could be matched to the Bushmaster he was supposed to have used.
	That's buried in footnote 53.
	In other words, he completely failed to create a causal nexus tying together the alleged shooter with his victims and weapons.
	This was an utter failure.
	You would have thought that was the purpose of the report.
	Well, it was a complete and utter failure.
	You couldn't convict anyone based on the evidence that was in the Siedenski report.
	And that's the only effort to do it, and it was a flop.
	So there's nothing in the judicial record.
	What gave me the opportunity, by the way, to move to intervene in Connecticut
	is that when I appealed my defeat in the circuit court, where I wasn't even allowed to present a defense
	and where, get this, I brought in two other death certificates,
	not only the one in the book and the one attached to the complaint,
	but obtained from the state of Connecticut and from the town of Newtown.
	Four different death certificates were introduced before the oral hearing.
	I had two forensic document experts whose reports had been submitted to the court, both of whom concluded all four of those death certificates were fake.
	All four of those death certificates were fake.
	Now, you may not know it, but an expert in a trial has the same standing as the judge.
	And yet he just set them aside as somebody else's opinion.
	In fact, I watched in disbelief as he had a conversation with the plaintiff's attorney saying, you know, he says, if I exclude these, that could be grounds for an appeal.
	So I'm just going to set them aside as someone else's opinion.
	I mean, this is Insulting beyond belief.
	Just to tie one more loose end.
	So what gave me access is when I appealed this, the appellate court cited a case in Connecticut Involving Soto again, and just gave the textbook narrative of what happened, where my attorney pointed out that there's no judicial record that supports it, that this was merely dicta, meaning this was just an opinion being offered by the court that had no legal weight behind it, because it's never been established.
	Well, get this.
	The judge, a Superior Court judge in Connecticut, when I was emphasizing there's never been a determination that anyone died, and we're talking about a $33 million settlement to nine of the parents, said that the interests I was represented weren't sufficient to allow me to enter as a participant.
	This is just ridiculous!
	I'm going to appeal that, by the way.
	I'm learning quite a bit about the law as I go along, and I'll just tell you.
	More often than not, it's being used abusively to suppress information.
	I mean, believe it or not, I got a... there was a separate Summary judgment finding and even first-year law students know summary judgments aren't supposed to use in defamation cases because whether or not the party was defamed is highly subjected.
	In fact, I never even made any accusation about who had created the fake death certificate.
	I just said it was fake.
	I didn't make any determination about who was responsible, but they claimed that I had, you know, implied that he was responsible.
	He had, of course, shared it with my colleague Kelly Watt on his Google Plus page.
	But I'm telling you, the whole thing was a remarkable stunt taking place before my very eyes, and because I was then pro se, I was representing myself.
	I didn't know enough about how to handle it, I'm convinced.
	And I had an attorney.
	It would never have happened because outrageous things were going on in the courtroom in order to protect the official narrative and to get a judgment that would enable them to go to all the sources that were releasing the book as a PDF and tell them, when you release a book, you're in violation of this court finding a defamation and try to shut them down.
	I mean, that was the whole idea behind the whole thing.
	So when I went to the Connecticut court here I said I'd been harmed by this improper ruling and it needed to be corrected.
	I was harmed to the extent that when they had this separate jury for damages it was Twelve members of Madison, one man, eleven women, all beneath the age of 30, every one of whom swore they'd never even heard of Alex Jones.
	Now you think about it.
	What kind of a jury was that?
	And they projected the image of the adorable Noah on the screen of the courtroom when they were being very emotional about how he died and how I was causing this trauma to his father, having to relive it. I
	mean, it was all unadulterated bullshit, unadulterated bullshit. And they came in with a
	fining of $450,000. And moreover, when I sought to find an impeachment witness to show,
	because I was convinced the guy who'd come to Madison and done a video deposition under the name of
	Leonard Posner was not the same guy who had been shown all over the world to be Leonard Posner with
	his adorable child.
	When I sought an impeachment witness, the court came down on me with a contempt of court and added lawyer fee for another $650,000.
	So I got a $1.1 million liens against me for this absurd lawsuit, which is another reason why I'm appealing right now.
	I have a petition for review before the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and if they turn me down, I will go to the U.S.
	But each time, you know, the probability of getting a review becomes lesser and lesser.
	But I got to tell you, another attorney joined from New Jersey for the submission to the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
	And it's just a wonderful piece of work, the petition for review.
	It's a really a marvelous statement.
	Reviewing how I was denied the right to give a defense.
	Mentioning in passing how the two expert document examiners were just set aside.
	And get this, get this.
	There can be no liability without fault.
	If you haven't made a mistake, you can't be held liable under the law.
	And they never got around to proving I had made a mistake.
	They never found me to have been negligent.
	Yeah, it was all just emotional arguments, yeah.
	It was purely... So the case was found... What was the outcome of the case?
	The judge found me on a summary judgment guilty of defamation, and then when it went to the jury for damages, they came in with 450.
	Yeah, and I'm not going to sit here and pretend.
	$150,000?
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, it's criminal.
	It's not right.
	I'm not going to sit here and pretend that force is legitimate.
	When I was trying to prove the guy who came here, who really, he's 20 years younger than Leonard Posner and must be at least 100 to 150 pounds lighter.
	It's not the same guy.
	When I shared the video deposition with Wolfgang Helbig, He went ballistic.
	He wrote to four stations of the FBI and said, what are the consequences for impersonating Leonard Posner in a video deposition in Madison in Dane County, Wisconsin?
	I mean, you know, but the judge wouldn't hear it.
	I had all this stuff spelled out in all my pleadings.
	I mean, I kept repeating that there was a fraud being perpetrated on the court because a guy who was testifying as Leonard Posner, and if you're in his courtroom, wasn't Leonard Posner, not the same guy.
	And he wouldn't hear it.
	He wouldn't hear it.
	They also did that in the Trayvon Martin trial.
	They faked a witness in the Trayvon Martin trial as well.
	Didn't they do that in Charlottesville as well, Fash?
	I don't know.
	I can't speak to Charlottesville because I don't know 100%, but I do know 100% they put a woman named Rachel Gentile up as a witness to the Trayvon Martin shooting, and she was not the woman who she was supposed to be.
	She was supposed to be his girlfriend, a girl that went by the name of Diamond or whatever her name was, but it was a completely different woman.
	So we do know that they will do that to support their case.
	They will break the law.
	I guarantee you.
	I guarantee you.
	And another thing, I agree with you with, another thing I agree with you with is, laws are absolutely made to subjugate people.
	They're not made to protect us.
	They're made to be used against us to protect the government.
	I agree with that 100%.
	And the question I wanted to ask you is, have you, and I don't even know if this is possible, I'm just asking you, Dick, if you've ever done this, have you ever tried to file like a FOIA request for the actual death certificates from that day?
	Have you ever tried to do that?
	Well, you must have missed.
	I got four different versions of the death certificate.
	Right, but what I'm saying, are they from like a quote-unquote official source, not just like a person sending them to you?
	Of course!
	Okay, yeah, I'll just ask it.
	I didn't know.
	I must have missed that part.
	I got one from the state, I don't know, Department of Public Health or whatever.
	I got one from the town of Newtown, a Newtown clerk's office.
	I got the one that That was given to Kelly by the plaintiff, which had no file number, no state certification, no town certification.
	And that was the one I heard.
	And the fourth one, which was attached to the complaint, that had all of the above.
	I had four different death certificates from the right sources.
	There was a chain of custody the whole bit.
	And the two forensic document examiners concluded all four of them were fake.
	Interesting.
	So, didn't even some Obama officials, I'm trying to remember who it was exactly, even confirm that it was a drill, the whole thing?
	I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear.
	In your book, didn't you write about Obama officials confirming that it was a drill?
	Yeah, that's why I said Paul Preston.
	Paul Preston reached out to his contacts in the Obama Department of Education, all of whom confirmed to him that it had been a drill, that no students had been harmed, and it was done to promote gun control.
	You ought to appreciate, by the way, that Barack Obama paved the way for this by nullifying the Smith-Mutt Act of 1948, which precluded the use of the same techniques of propaganda and disinformation within the United States that were heretofore only permissible to be used without by the Smith-Mutt Modernization Act of 2012, just in time to bring a Sandy Hook.
	In other words, he made it legal to stage fake events and present them as real for the intelligence agencies of the United States.
	And I have a colleague, Scott Bennett, who is a former Army intel and science officer, and he told me how when they were contemplating what they were doing, they had to constantly ask whether they were consistent with the Smith-Munn Act.
	But the Modernization Act just eviscerated the Smith-Munn Act.
	Which is why I think the American people weren't really prepared for this onslaught of staged events.
	Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Orlando, Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, Las Vegas.
	They weren't prepared because they didn't realize Barack Obama changed the law to make it legal to do these phony staged events for propaganda purposes.
	You think the rally at Charlottesville was a government operation?
	Because I know people personally who were there who were actually involved in like planning stages of that.
	And they're not government agents.
	I know this for a fact.
	James Fields is a real person who's really in a lot of fucking trouble and he's now being transferred to a medical unit because of the abuse he's getting in jail.
	Look, look, look.
	I think you're a good guy and you're very sincere.
	Do you know there were two different Dodge Challengers there?
	One had a racing stripe, one didn't.
	One had a sunroof, one didn't.
	Two different drivers.
	James Fields, a 20-year-old diagnosed schizophrenic with thick prescription glasses, and another guy,
	a 32-year-old veteran who commands a battalion of reservists in Ohio.
	He was driving the car.
	I've got the photographs.
	It's obvious it's him.
	It's not James Fields.
	Then they did two or three different takes.
	They did one where this guy drove the Challenger into the back of two vans that were just
	sitting there at the intersection with no one in them because they didn't want to run the risk of whiplash.
	So he just crashed, and then when he backed out, I was just dumbfounded to watch him back out, because he did it with such skill it would have befit a NASCAR driver.
	That's not true.
	It's not that hard to reverse like that.
	There was a second take with just the Challenger, no van, not crashing into any vans.
	Then there's a third that appeared on the cover of the New York Times.
	Where there's a black Toyota pickup truck and you got these stuntmen flying through the air.
	That was completely contrived.
	Now there were sincere people who participated in the protest of the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville.
	No question about it.
	But Terry McAuliffe, who's a buddy of Hillary's as governor, had the mayor, whom I believe was almost certainly also complicit, have the Charlottesville police stand down.
	Yes, that is true.
	That we know is absolutely true.
	That is true.
	But the thing about James Fields, Mr. Fetzer, with all due respect, that's just not true.
	He's a real person.
	People still write that guy to this day, like he's actually in prison, actually doing 439 years.
	Well, you think I don't know that?
	You think he's the only innocent man, the only patsy who's in jail?
	Sirhan Sirhan didn't shoot Bobby.
	He fired some shots, but he was a patsy.
	But why wouldn't James come out and say that?
	Why wouldn't he come out and say I didn't do that?
	John, you're stunningly naive.
	I'm telling you, we've got the proof of all of this.
	I don't say a single thing I cannot prove.
	So, so, wait a minute.
	So, uh, maybe we're talking past each other here.
	Is it possible that, um, that they, that they framed James Fields and James Fields is sincere at the same time?
	Like, the, the James Fields thing was a gay op, but... He's a, he's a, he's a touchtronic!
	If I was framed for something, just me personally, if I was framed for something, that's all you would hear from me.
	Especially if I was framed for something like this.
	All of my statements, every time I wrote somebody from prison, because he still corresponds, he corresponds with people right now.
	I would be telling people.
	I wrote a whole article about him.
	You don't have any understanding of the power of mind.
	They can induce in him the belief that he did it.
	He didn't do it.
	I got the photographic proof he wasn't driving the car.
	It was the other guy.
	I'm telling you.
	I got a whole book on this, John.
	A whole bloody goddamn book, okay?
	I think I have the book.
	I'll send it to you.
	There's not a damn thing I'm telling you that hasn't been vetted by my colleagues in research.
	I'm very thorough about this.
	I think I have the book.
	I'll send it to you.
	Yeah, I think the important thing that I want to emphasize is that, you know, fields Regardless of what he did or didn't do, is innocent of the charges that they have brought against him, and that he should not be serving this prison sentence.
	Yeah, it was self-defense, of course, but that doesn't mean it was fake.
	It's absurd.
	John, what are you thinking I'm saying was fake?
	What are you thinking I'm saying that's fake?
	I just don't believe that there were special forces forces agents driving the car that James Field was accused of driving.
	I think the guy got and put in a very bad situation where guns were being pointed at him and he panicked.
	That's that's far more easy for me to believe than this elaborate military fucking program that just I know people that were there like I've talked to these John, I don't want to say you're gullible, but unfortunately you're displaying the tendency of most Americans- You're not going to bother me.
	They can't get their mind wrapped around the alternative.
	I've got the- Well, because I know people- Like, I know people who are physically there.
	And do you think that this James Fields is schizophrenic could have backed that car away from the crash?
	Yes.
	I think anybody on this call could have done it.
	I could have done it.
	I guarantee it.
	John, give me a break.
	Give me a break.
	It's reversed, dude!
	He's not... He wasn't doing flips in the car.
	No, you can.
	You can, Mr. Fitzgerald.
	You're not going to offend me.
	We're just talking here.
	You can say whatever you want.
	It doesn't matter.
	But honestly, dude, let's... And you're very lively, and you're opinionated, and you are you, which I like.
	I like all that.
	But let's just be honest.
	Let's just be honest.
	That's fine if that's what you think.
	But let's be honest.
	Look, reversing isn't, like, an amazing feat to do.
	Like, it's not like he did a fucking 180 turn.
	It's not!
	It's absolutely not.
	You're wrong.
	You're wrong.
	Driving backwards...
	I disagree with you, but look, we got a sincere difference of opinion.
	The point I'm making, and this is not a matter of opinion, it was not James Field driving the car, it was the other guy.
	We got the photographs, I'm telling you, John, we got the photographs.
	Check the book, they're right there in the book.
	I've got other stuff about, let's see, about Charlottesville.
	You go online, listen, I've got one called False Flag, Fake News on Five Fronts.
	I'm pretty certain I got Charlottesville and the Boston bombing in there.
	There's all kinds of mine.
	Just look for something of mine about Charlottesville, and you'll see not only the three different takes, And that the guy was driving was obviously not James Fields.
	And when you look at the photograph, you'll see it's obvious, but you also see the photograph that Susan Brough, who played the mother of Heather Heyer, is the same woman as Donna Soto, playing the mother of Victoria Soto in Sandy Hook.
	I mean, it's insulting beyond belief.
	So, moving back to Sandy Hook.
	Jack.
	Yeah.
	So, should we talk about next the fact that Adam Lanza's supposed home was just completely staged in and of itself?
	Yes, sure, sure, sure.
	They appeared to have taken an empty home and, you know, furnished it in part.
	One of the most palling aspects is there is virtually no decorations on any walls.
	The most important, I think, is Nancy Lanza's bedroom.
	Where he is supposed to have shot his mother, and you can see there's a little bit of red stuff on the sheet, but it doesn't look like blood.
	I think it might be raspberry jam.
	There are some forms on the cedar chest at the foot of the bed where they seem to have been keeping records.
	So you'll find these forms in numerous other photographs of the house and its contents, and where Kelly Watt, the same woman to whom the pseudo-Leonard Posner sent the death certificate With her keen eye, she has her own home and commercial cleaning service.
	And with her keen eye, she noticed a blue moving pad beneath the leg of the bed that in their haste they forgot to remove.
	Or do you keep moving pads under the legs of your pets?
	I mean, really?
	Yeah, no, the whole thing is just unbelievable.
	I don't buy it for a minute.
	I'm trying to send the screenshots from the book itself so that they can take a look at the pictures themselves right now.
	Well, Jack, be sure to send the two of the stage photographs.
	And Shannon Hicks, by the way, has admitted she took both of those photographs.
	And you'll see there's an analysis showing the differences, you know, how they rearrange the kids to get a better shot.
	That's a really good one.
	There's a photograph in there you'll find of the Nancy Lanza bedroom having just the features I described.
	Look, in chapter 7 and 8, we got 50 photographs in chapter 7 of the Adam Lanza home, and it's clearly fake.
	They even made up his bedroom two different ways before they decided whether it was going to be neat or be messy.
	So you got both.
	Well, it can't have been both neat and messy at the same time.
	Which is clear evidence of staging.
	And when it comes to the 50 photographs in the next chapter of the elementary school, we even have the moving vans, who are bringing in furnishings to try to make it look a little more spiffy.
	But it's a complete and utter failure, because the school is dilapidated.
	And even in Classroom 10, where we have what I regard as a piece de resistance, because we got a photograph of what I initially thought was a SWAT team vehicle, but appears to have been a crime scene vehicle in the parking lot.
	And you can see, just above the roof of the vehicle, these string of four windows in Classroom 10 that are perfectly normal.
	They had little paper candles in each of the four, but they're undamaged.
	And then you look and the flag's at full mass, you come down, there's a familiar figure with his arms crossed, leaning against the wall.
	That would be Wayne Carver awaiting the arrival of his portable mortuary tent, and there is crime scene up, crime scene tape up for a crime that is yet to be committed.
	How do we know?
	Because after the event, the windows in that classroom tent would be shot up.
	So I put there also four different photographs, the window before, the window after, and you can see this second frame is all blown apart.
	Then a third photograph, we got perps looking at the window frame, trying to figure out what they're going to do with it.
	And then a fourth photograph, where you see these pink rods extending.
	There are three pink rods exactly parallel to one another, 90 degrees to the window pane.
	They drilled holes in the aluminum window pane to simulate bullet holes.
	Look!
	I supervised recruit training at the Recruit Depot in San Diego.
	I had 15 DIs and 300 recruits under my command, including marksmanship training at Camp Pendleton, Edson Range at Camp Pendleton.
	No one with any familiarity with firearms would believe you could fire shots during this alleged shooting and have them all come out exactly parallel to one another.
	I mean, it's just an absurdity.
	In fact, Sophia Smallshorm had this wonderful Sandy Hook in two, three, four, and five dimensions, where it begins with a bus going somewhere, and you don't know where the bus is actually going, but it's going to Sandy Hook Elementary.
	And the whole time, you have this guy who's an expert in marksmanship talking about the preposterous feats attributed to Adam Lonza, who's like six feet tall and might have weighed 120 pounds.
	He's supposed to have logged all this equipment in there.
	Do you know it had been phenomenal in his marksmanship?
	Do you know the ATF officer who was responsible for investigating their background with firearms could find no evidence that Adam Lonzo or his mother had ever gone to any shooting range anywhere in Newtown or in the environs?
	No evidence whatsoever?
	This is so fantastically staged it boggles the mind.
	But that's part of the benefit.
	Most Americans just can't imagine, you know, that anyone would go this way to fake what was going on.
	Just stunning.
	Outrageous.
	But there it is.
	Even the ATF guy at the time being broadcast from Newtown that very day was admitting they couldn't find any evidence of them, either of them having any experience with firearms.
	Yeah, we can continue this.
	We're a little bit over an hour, so we're about to go on break.
	But we definitely need to continue off this point once we come back.
	Okay.
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	Welcome back to Hour 2 with Dr. Jim Fetzer.
	So during the break, John asked Mr. Fetzer something really interesting, so why don't you ask him that question again?
	Yeah, so this is actually, the reason I asked this question was in reference to the picture you sent me in Telegram, and I actually looked this up live, as Dr. Fetzer said, the comparison between Susan Brough, or whatever the fuck her name is, and the other lady, I looked it up at the same time, and it prompted me to think of this, like, I wonder what Mr. Fetzer, Dr. Fetzer, what is your opinion on, like, body doubles for powerful people, world leaders and things like that?
	Well, it's happened a lot historically, just to give some famous cases.
	Winston Churchill had a body double.
	Joseph Stalin had a body double.
	I'm pretty convinced Donald Trump has a body double.
	He's got more silver gray hair, not so orange, and he just looks a little different.
	Joe Biden here isn't the real guy from Delaware.
	I spotted that during the first debate, that they'd made a switch there.
	James Woods, the actor, noticed his eyes had turned in color from blue to brown.
	I noticed he now had attached earlobe when he had previously appended or hanging earlobe.
	Uh, that his skull wasn't just right.
	I've done additional research since.
	Discovered, for example, the body language when he's with Jill is completely different when Jill was with Joe.
	She'd be beaming.
	They'd be arm in arm, hand in hand.
	He'd have this shit-eating grin on his face.
	When she's with a new guy, they're sort of apart.
	She looks uneasy.
	He doesn't seem comfortable.
	I published a couple of blogs at jamesfetzer.org about the Biden body double switch, which has been confirmed by a pharmacist, by the way.
	You notice that the handwriting of the new guy is not the same as the handwriting of the old guy, and they are.
	Their handwriting is completely different.
	But here's a couple of other cases that'll fascinate you.
	Paul McCartney actually turned out to have died on 9-11, 1966, and he was replaced by a fellow by the name of Billy Shears, known as the Man of a Thousand Voices.
	He's, in my opinion, an even better musician.
	Unlike Paul, though, he had to learn to play a left-handed guitar.
	Uh, where Paul was born left-handed.
	Among the photographic proof, and I published on this too, you can find, for example, a summation about Paul, Paul for false Paul, on my blog under Why Ringo's Confession We Replace Paul Appears to Be Correct.
	We have photographs of Paul with Jane Asher where they're almost exactly the same height.
	Paul, I think, really had affection for Jane.
	They were going to be married.
	We have later photographs of Fall with Gene Asher.
	He's four inches taller.
	Not only that, but two Italian forensic scientists set out to disprove the hypothesis and wound up confirming it.
	They discovered they had different teeth, they had different palates.
	Fall had bad teeth and a normal palate Fall has, and a narrow palate.
	Fall has good teeth and a normal palate.
	I've done a great deal on this.
	There are multiple other, the shape of the size of the skull is different.
	I've done a great deal on this.
	I have a piece I think you'd like, John, called Fake News Issues of Identity, where I go through
	the identification of Leah Oswald in the book Depository, the Paul-Paul switch.
	And by the way, Billy Shears has a whole book about it, but he's got to acknowledge that
	because of his contractual obligations, he can't say this is true.
	It's as though it were written as a fictional account, but it is so detailed, thorough, and compelling, there's really no doubt about it.
	It's interesting, just as an aside there, that when Linda Eastman first approached Paul, she said, hello, she says, I know you're not Paul.
	When did you join the band?
	But I'll tell you, of all the issues I deal with, this fall-fall thing evokes about as much emotional reaction as anything I've ever dealt with.
	Jack mentioned how in the book, and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either, we talk about Saddam Hussein.
	It turns out that, and I learned this from the mother of the pilot, Saddam himself actually was killed on the outskirts of Baghdad on 7 April 2003, just a few weeks after we launched the invasion, along with his two sons and 50 or 60 members of the general staff.
	The pilot was given a change in his orders for his bombing run.
	He was told, this is the big one, not to miss.
	He leveled the restaurant.
	Even Dick Cheney said he thought we got him, that his lifeless body was dragged from the rubble.
	It was going to be announced on the Mission Accomplished ceremony on the USS Lincoln off the coast of San Diego until someone, and we believe it was Donald Rumsfeld, realized that if W went out and announced we'd killed Saddam Hussein, he'd be violating executive orders of three presidents against the assassination of a foreign leader.
	Which is why the whole mission accomplishing was such a fiasco, because he couldn't say what he wanted to say without implying he'd violated the law.
	So they took a Saddam body double, they allegedly put him in a spider hole.
	Frankly, I doubt he was ever even in the spider hole, but they put him on trial.
	It was Joe Viles, who is a photojournalist from Australia, who was the first to notice that Saddam had an overbite, meaning his upper teeth extend beyond his lower teeth, whereas the double had an underbite.
	Meaning his lower teeth extended beyond his upper teeth.
	And Saddam had excellent teeth, but the body double had bad teeth.
	So this thing about the teeth turns out to count again and again.
	I mean, it's really a fascinating story.
	And if not only just like on top of the war crimes, if it did come out that we did kill Saddam, most of America, like a lot more than what was already opposed to the war, they would be saying, OK, bring our boys home.
	But they couldn't have that.
	I feel like that's another thing, yeah.
	Oh, that's a nice point.
	Yeah, I think you're completely right.
	Now, here's another case I discuss you may or may not be familiar with.
	Yeah, I think that might actually be the bigger point because I don't see any evidence that this country is concerned about committing war crimes.
	Good, nice point, nice point.
	Well just to show you how gullible we are, Michelle Obama was born Michael LaVaughn Robinson, played football for Oregon State.
	Now this one I absolutely believe.
	There's no way you can convince me that isn't true.
	Oh, I'll tell ya.
	I mean, there's so much to it.
	Turns out a physician who was looking after her during a campaign stop walked into her in a trailer taking a leak standing up.
	He was paid millions for his silence, but he felt he owed it to the public to come clean that Michelle Obama was not a man who underwent a sex transformation, but Michelle Obama's a man with breast implants and a huge shaving bill.
	I have photographs of Michelle when she's let her beard grow.
	I have photographs of Michael LaVaughn Robinson with Obama before she went through this transition with a young person that looks a lot like Bill Gates.
	I have a comparison of Michelle Obama from behind with Mike Tyson, and her back, her structure is just as massive as Mike Tyson.
	I got a photograph of Michelle sitting beside Michael Bloomberg.
	Now there's a fight night I wouldn't miss for the world.
	And we call it Big Mike and Little Mike because Bloomberg is just a trifle compared to Michelle, who's quite a whore.
	You've got to understand, Barack Obama was notorious gay.
	He had a torrid affair with Rahm Emanuel in Chicago in the bathhouses there before he became president, then brought Rahm Emanuel along as his chief of staff.
	And Barack has even said to the Joint Chiefs, he and Michael.
	He and Michael, you know, appreciated all their good work.
	I mean, it goes on and on.
	And didn't it come out that Obama was gay in, like, college or something like that?
	Yes, he's a notorious homosexual.
	Jim's right about that, 100%.
	He was a notorious homosexual in his active, like, personal life back in college.
	I also investigated the...
	I also investigated the birth certificate issue.
	I had an expert on one of my shows.
	I've had quite a few shows.
	And we went through the Hawaiian birth certificate, which was totally fake.
	I discovered two other birth certificates, both from Kenya.
	One is a fabrication that's got the dates of ministers who weren't in office at the
	time so that if a question comes up about the Kenyan birth certificate where the real
	one has his little footprint on it, they can say, oh yeah, but that's when debunked referring
	to the other and are trading on the ambiguity in Kenya.
	They have a monument to the first Kenyan president of the United States not realizing there cannot
	be a first Kenyan president of the United States.
	We have his student ID from Columbia University that he was a foreign student.
	He was receiving forms of scholarship aid only available to foreign students.
	So the first action when Barack Obama became president was to seal all his educational records, just as every little kid in the country wanted to study the life history of our first black president.
	Yeah, it seems like... To be fair, I don't... I wouldn't consider him a native of the United States either way, but... That's a good point.
	But it seems like with the birth certificate, it seems like here's the conspiracy candy that is obviously false to kind of get everyone to buy into it, while the real false birth certificate is just in the background so that way they can kind of in before it and be like, no, no, no, that was already debunked.
	Right.
	Creating a real fake Kenyan birth certificate when there's an actually real, a genuine, is just perfect because then they can say, oh, that's already been debunked, referring to the one that they fabricated so they could claim it had been debunked.
	How many levels of gay ops are you on?
	Well, actually, this is a common tactic.
	I mean, you can look at the same kind of stuff with the Holocaust research, what with the ballpoint pen and Anne Frank's diary, or the smokestacks.
	That's a good one.
	That's like a common first pass thing that people find out about, and then it turns out that it's actually not as damning as it initially sounds.
	So then those people that are less read up about it can be, quote unquote, debunked.
	whereas the real damning evidence is more obscure and people trade off the ambiguity.
	So you mean they didn't have ballpoint pens in the Warsaw ghetto?
	Well, I mean, they did have Olympic-sized swimming pools.
	Actually, it's not actually Olympic-sized. It's a little smaller, but they had a hospital with
	OBYGYN facilities. They had a woodworking shop. They had a symphony hall.
	all.
	They were actually using Zyklon B to de-louse the inmates, because to kill a body lice, which are spraying typhus and dysentery, for the reason that they wanted to maintain their health, because you can't get warp out of a corpse.
	These were Labor camps.
	These weren't extermination centers.
	And get this, hundreds of babies were born in those camps, which just obliterates the whole mythology, the official narrative of World War II.
	I mean, hundreds of babies.
	Yeah, because, I mean, if the National Socialists were as evil as everybody says they were, they would have just been walking around, like, kicking Jewish women in the stomach and getting rid of their children.
	They would have never went through the process of birthing those children.
	Well, remember, John, they were supposed to have been run into this huge shower and put in the bath.
	It turns out that Zyklon B is a mild form of cyanide, and it would interact with the walls and turn them blue.
	So that Gerhard Rudolph has gone there and looked at the walls.
	This was a chemistry student who got too involved and got, I think, booted out of his program because he was denying the conventional belief.
	And he found that the walls where they were actually doing the delousing did turn blue.
	But the walls of the alleged gas chambers not.
	And many of you may know that during the trial of the urged in Canada, the second trial, the two trials, this great Canadian who was a Holocaust denier had striking elements.
	Robert Forrest-Saunders has written about them both.
	And in the first trial, they couldn't produce a single witness who could say they'd seen any inmate put to death in a gas chamber.
	In the second, they had testimony from the world's leading expert on gas chambers, Lochter, by name, who'd gone to Germany, studied the camps, came back to report there was nothing there that could possibly have served as a gas chamber, so the whole thing was a crock.
	Yeah, we just... Yep, I'd like to report.
	Not our show, but another show that's adjacent to us, in our movement, if you will.
	I just had an excellent interview with Fred Leuchter, and you're absolutely right.
	Not only the world expert on gas chambers, but the world expert on execution in general.
	Yeah, just in general, yeah.
	Good man, yeah.
	Those were stunning trials.
	I did an interview with Ernst that his wife said was the best interview he'd ever done, so I'm very, very proud of that.
	I mean, I've just covered a lot of bases.
	By the way, something I want to mention, I had last year, 2020, a website called JimTheConspiracyGuy.com, and on Sundays I do biggies like Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, all that.
	And on Tuesday and Thursday, I'd interview individuals.
	Well, between May, when I began in November, when I could no longer afford the $100 a month, I did 65 shows.
	And when I had to shut down the website, I transferred the links to all those programs to a page on my blog.
	So if you go to jamesfetzer.org and just do a search on jimtheconspiracyguy.com, the 65 shows, or even just the 65 shows, You'll find among them is how to spot a false flag that came across in two parts, and in how to spot a false flag.
	I go through 12 or 15 of these.
	Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, Charlottesville, Vegas, all that, in brief compass.
	And I give you an intro of what I'm talking about and how to prove these were fake or fabricated.
	And then I do about five slides or so, and then I go to another five slides, and I come back.
	So I got two or three about Sandy Hook, two or three about Boston, two or three about Parkland, and all that.
	But if you want an education to see how to sort this out, that's a really good way to begin.
	How to spot a false flag part one and part two at jamesfetzer.org.
	I also did a variation with Katherine Horton, who's a Ph.D.
	in particle physics from Oxford, where Catherine has been leading the fight against targeting individual directed energy weapons.
	She's quite brilliant.
	And we did a four-parter on how to spot a false flag, where Catherine was adding additional reasons and making commentary.
	So that's an even more A spectacular variation if you have more time.
	But what I'm saying is, you know, really you need to educate yourself because we're being flim-flammed every single day.
	It's just shocking.
	In fact, just to tell you something very obvious but unknown to most, conspiracy is the most widely prosecuted crime in the United States.
	Conspiracy to this, conspiracy to murder, conspiracy to kidnapping, most American conspiracies are financial.
	But the point is, when they try to denigrate conspiracy theories, it's absurd on its face.
	In fact, my first scholarly article on conspiracy theories is entitled, Thinking About Conspiracy Theories, JFK and 9-11, where I use JFK to introduce 9-11 so you get the hang of it.
	And during the course, I went through a then current issue of the New York Times.
	And in that issue, every single page had stories you couldn't understand if you didn't recognize they involved conspiracies.
	Every single page.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, it seems like almost at this point, it's like a daily occurrence where there's just like a new gay op, new conspiracy being done.
	But we're now in the midst of the greatest of them all, this coronavirus and the vaccines.
	The coronavirus basically was reclassifying flu last year.
	There were 38 million cases of the flu.
	You know how many this year?
	Less than 2,000.
	So do you think 37,998 cases of the flu just evaporated?
	So do you think 37,998,000 cases of flu just evaporated?
	No.
	They just reclassified them as COVID.
	And then you got this massive number of COVID cases.
	The whole idea of creating the pandemic was to get you to take the vax.
	This MRNA thing is deadly.
	Sherry Tenpenny has described it as a perfectly designed killing machine.
	Possibly avoid it.
	Don't take the vax.
	Now, they do appear to have mixed in some placebos, you know, just a saline solution.
	And if you have a friend or neighbor, as I have many relatives, I'm sorry to say, who have taken the shot, I'm hoping against hope that they got a placebo, because these are Truly deadly, deadly inoculation.
	So what they want to do is inoculate.
	You now got Biden.
	Biden's only in there because they needed a stooge.
	No responsible person would want to take the hit for destroying the United States.
	But he's embarked on the destruction of the United States and by directing that the military all get the shot.
	I mean, this is going to you're going to decimate half of our military.
	Lots of pilots, it costs millions of dollars to train these pilots who are resigning, they're retiring, getting out of the Air Force.
	I mean, we're greatly weakening.
	Now we're talking about national security.
	I mean, we're just decimating America in so many ways that we're bringing in this flood of all these illegal immigrants.
	And the Democrats are flying them to swing states because they're bringing them in to be Democrat voters.
	And the insanity of Afghanistan is beyond belief.
	These people aren't even vetted.
	How many suicide bombers did Obama fly from Afghanistan to the United States?
	We didn't have to worry about them because we were separated by 1,500 miles of ocean.
	Well, Biden has flown them right here to the USA where they can blow up your local city hall.
	Stand by.
	And at Fort McCoy in Wisconsin, there was where they flew these quote-unquote migrants.
	There's already been two guys charged with sexually assaulting a girl under 16.
	Wasn't there a gang rape at Fort Hood as well?
	That wouldn't surprise me.
	Oh yeah, these people are savages.
	I can't tell you what happened in Sweden, where they have a whole bunch of other migrants.
	You know, this is the Calurgy Plan.
	This was devised back in the 1920s to flood Europe with Africans.
	Now they're flooding the U.S.
	with these South Americans to have the same effect, to destabilize the population and change the demographics.
	And in Sweden now, it's become the rape capital of the universe.
	Yeah, for both men and women as well.
	Swedish media aren't even allowed to report the race of those who are attacking the Swedish women.
	I mean, Sweden used to be a place where any woman could feel safe anywhere, but now they are targets.
	I know a lot about Sweden because I have a dear friend who resides there and gives me updates periodically.
	It's just outrageous.
	So, Dr. Fetzer, I want to jump back to this gene, this vaccine, as they call it.
	I have been trying to tell everybody I can talk to to stop...
	Excuse me, to stop referring to this thing as a vaccine, because it's not.
	It's not inoculation in the traditional form, right?
	Inoculation, as we understand it, is introducing a pathogen into the bloodstream and allowing your body to fight that small amount of that pathogen and create antibodies.
	That's not what's going on here.
	This is gene therapy.
	This is a worldwide CRISPR gene therapy experiment, and it's going to fuck people up.
	Our DNA is not meant to be tampered with, and that's what they're doing.
	They're going in and they're reprogramming.
	They're fucking with your DNA.
	Like, this is not inoculation as we know it as a people from all of the past, right?
	This is a new thing.
	This is gene therapy, and we need to get that through people's heads, because I think that's why a lot of people are more willing to accept it, because they think of it as just like, oh, I've had a hundred vaccines.
	I've had vaccines my whole life.
	I'm fine, but this isn't a vaccine.
	This is something totally different.
	You're 100% correct.
	And the key is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated.
	And if it's never been isolated, they can't possibly have a vaccine for it.
	Just like the HIV virus.
	What they're calling vaccines don't cure it, but suppress symptoms.
	Those who are vaccinated or not cured remain capable of transmission.
	These are not Traditional vaccines, which as you say, introduce a weak strain so your body can develop antibodies, but rather use mRNA, which performs a feat of gene splicing, where the risks of the vaccines are overwhelmingly greater than the risks from the virus.
	They are still only authorized on an emergency basis.
	You heard recent claim that the FDA had approved.
	Not true.
	What the FDA had approved, and they tried to find a clever way to make you think that they'd approved these Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, which they have not done, was a variation that's only available in Europe.
	So when they said they'd approved it, and it's got this funny name like Cominid, C-O-M-I-N-D, something like that.
	They approved it, but it's only available in Europe and they had to say immediately, but it's not available because according to emergency use authorization, if there's an approved available alternative, they cannot have emergency use authorization.
	And of course, they're suppressing HCQ and ivermectin, which are extremely successful.
	We have fantastic reports about their benefits.
	But they're suppressing it.
	This is all in violation of the Nuremberg Code.
	Ten principles related to the use of experimental medical procedures, the very first of which is, cannot be done without informed consent.
	To have informed consent, you have to know not only the benefits, but the risk.
	And since they don't even know the content, they can't possibly know the risk.
	And they also have to be informed of the available alternatives like HCQ and Ivermectin.
	This is a crime against humanity.
	There's an outstanding lawyer in Germany who's bringing a class action.
	I'm just worried about how much of humanity is going to be wiped out in the meanwhile.
	Yeah, and these companies aren't even held liable for any sort of health issues or deaths that are caused by, I'm not even calling it a vaccine, it's caused by poison.
	Well, the key thing there, Jack, is that exemption is for vaccines, and as I think Katherine Austin Fitz observed, these aren't vaccines, you know, so they're trying to palm them off as a vaccine to get that immunity from liability.
	They're injectable stuff, and it's a morass, and it even appears to include Graphene oxide, which is a very weird substance.
	Apparently, it's the thinnest substance known to man.
	We have a report that they've done a study of the contents of the vaccines in Europe, in Spain, and there's graphene oxide in these various... Well, the graphene oxide is self-replicating, and it just grows and grows on its own.
	I mean, I've seen a video about it, and it's weird, really weird.
	I have on my blog, and this is something Some are going to find unnerving.
	A purported interview with a guy who designed the graphene oxide in the shots explained how you can know how much time you have left if you took one of the shots.
	Apparently, there's a 10-year max once you've had the shot, and you can tell how close you are by the percentage of graphene oxide that shows up in your blood.
	If it shows 10%, you got nine years, 20%, eight, and so forth.
	I'm telling you, we're going to lose a lot of friends and relatives, which is why I do shows virtually every single day.
	And I'm closing now by telling everyone in my audience to spend as much time as they can with their friends and relatives, people they love, because frankly, we don't know how much time we have left.
	Yeah, and some of these predictions that have been made by some people, I don't know whether to call them optimistic or pessimistic, I suppose it depends on your view, but some people were saying, you know, mid-September we would start to see people, you know, collapsing in the streets, but I think that a 10-year or 5-year Yeah.
	Well, see, it had to be on a time delay, Magnus, because otherwise people would realize right off the bat.
	That's why they're trying to get everyone vaxxed, so there'd be no control group.
	If you don't have a control group, then you can't tell the difference between the vaxxed and the un-vaxxed.
	Right.
	Then when people start to fall off in eight years, then that's the new gaop, right?
	Sooner, sooner, sooner.
	Look, I got a graph of the death rate now, and it's just skyrocketing.
	It's like a hockey stick on its side.
	It was all real level until of late, and now it's just skyrocketing.
	I mean, we're gonna have millions, millions, I think we already have millions, but you know, of deaths that are being attributed to COVID, but for vaccine.
	The Delta variant, really, is people who have had the vaccine are showing symptoms.
	They claim that's from the Delta variant.
	It's all bullshit.
	There's no Delta variant.
	They're going to invent as many of these variants as they want.
	It's just words.
	They're just finding new and ingenious ways to make us think that there's a real phenomenon here when it's all fabricated and fake.
	But the Vax is real.
	The Vax is real.
	And by God, you want to avoid it at all costs.
	It's getting so absurd that Italy is telling companies, and this is part and parcel of why I believe this is the Rothschild empire, banking empire behind all this, because it's worldwide and it's all encompassing the media, universities, our whole medical establishment, all the political figures are under control.
	They're all saying exactly the same thing.
	That required enormous resources.
	where only the Rothschilds appear. And you know, Klaus Schwab, the head of the World Economic Forum,
	is himself a Rothschild. Italy is telling companies not to pay their employees who are unvaxxed.
	Not to pay them. How gross is that? That just sounds illegal on its face.
	Well, it does, but it turns out, well, that's why they said not to pay them.
	There was a law that couldn't fire them, see, so they get around it.
	They're telling the company just not to pay them.
	I think it's probably illegal too, but this appears to be the clever solution they found, so let us just say...
	We have yet to discern.
	But all this is illegal.
	The government doesn't have a role in telling us what to put into our bodies or not put into our bodies.
	This is all unconstitutional.
	It's all grossly violative of the Nuremberg Code.
	The penalty for which, by the way, is death.
	So you have a huge amount of this Crimes against humanity taking place.
	The question is who's going to enforce it?
	See, they had to get a stooge government into place because Donald Trump wouldn't have stood up for this.
	He'd be taking action right and left.
	He would never have left this migrant come over the border.
	Do you know in some places they're actually cutting down the border wall and selling it off for scrap?
	I mean, this is disgusting beyond belief.
	Just disgusting beyond belief.
	Yeah, it's amazing how it's my body, my choice for satanic stuff like abortion, but when it comes to stuff that's just going to kill you, it's like, no, you have to do it.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	I've been making that point.
	I mean, the hypocrisy of the Democrats.
	I myself believe the choice position is the only democratic American because then it lets everyone decide in accordance with their own belief, their own conscience.
	I believe Roe v. Wade was the wisest decision the Supreme Court ever made.
	And I'm terribly worried it may be about to be undone, because it gave women the right to choose.
	Look, if you don't allow abortion, then you're forcing a woman to care an unwanted fetus to term.
	Now that's turning her into a reproductive slave.
	And we know well, unwanted children don't fare well in life.
	They turn into juvenile delinquents, they become criminals, they're a great drag on society.
	There's so many reasons why.
	A woman might, even if she'd taken measures to avoid pregnancy, might become pregnant inadvertently and have good reasons, too many members of the family, not enough income, blah, blah, blah.
	The list is very large.
	Why it should be left to each individual woman and her specific circumstances to determine the outcome.
	Well, this may be a little bit off topic.
	I would say that I would disagree with you very strongly on that, Dr. Fetzer.
	But what I would say is that we've talked a lot about the Democrats and they certainly deserve it.
	But the thing that irritates me the most as a former conservative is That the Republicans seem unwilling or unable to stand up with very, very few exceptions, to stand up with any kind of fervor to what's going on.
	And as far as the abortion question is concerned, it would certainly make things a lot easier for women if If they could be assured that an unwanted or accidental pregnancy would be cared for in some way, that they would have some sort of support system.
	But you have the Republicans on one hand giving out these enormous bailouts to big business and banks and Rothschild organizations.
	But when somebody needs a stimulus check for the COVID shutdowns or or when somebody proposes some common sense social programs
	to alleviate the burdens of single mothers or whatever, then suddenly it's like trying
	to get 20 bucks from your dad, you know?
	It's uh, it really is, it seems like one hand really washes the other with these things.
	Let me just make a couple points, okay? In my courses in philosophy and critical thinking,
	you have no idea how many times we debated the abortion issue one side or the other.
	I was just astonished when I would ask the class, how many modes of contraception are there?
	And they'd come up with a dozen.
	I mean, they knew more about contraception than I'd ever imagined.
	And when you discuss the reasons why a woman might not want to carry a fetus to term, I mean, let me just mention, when you're pregnant, it changes your whole life.
	And it might mean you're not even able to work.
	So, you know, you're changing your whole life.
	If we ban abortion, we're going to return to back alley abortions.
	Many women are going to die agonizing deaths because they use coat hangers perforating the uterus.
	The hospitals have just a steady stream of women who are suffering in agony because of a back alley abortion.
	It's better to have it legal, safe, and rare.
	I don't know why we don't hear those who are opposed to abortion aren't being more active in promoting birth control.
	That's the obvious solution.
	Well, that's the problem, Mr. Fetzer.
	These women use abortion as birth control.
	They use abortion as contraception and they should be punished for that.
	John, how many women do you know got pregnant so they could have an abortion?
	Well, none intentionally, but they went and got pregnant and then used an abortion to get rid of a mistake they made.
	And they should be punished for that.
	You cannot go around sleeping around like a whore and killing your baby.
	I mean, there are very few circumstances where abortion is acceptable.
	Rape?
	Rape is an acceptable abortion.
	If it's going to harm the mother physically, like kill the mother to bring the baby to term, that's an acceptable... There are very few circumstances, but it is a fact.
	I'm 38 years old, and I have seen this with my own eyes.
	Women go out, they whore around, they get knocked up by some dude they met in a bar, and then they go kill the baby.
	This happens.
	Well, the other thing, too, is that you have...
	You have a very degrading view of women.
	Really, I'm a bit... No, I don't.
	I don't.
	I have a realistic view.
	Dr. Vetser, I mean, I think that you may be... You say you're what, 36?
	I'm 80 years old, okay?
	Maybe I've seen a little more of life than you have, and maybe I've known a few more women than you have, okay?
	I think this would go more far than that.
	The degradation of society would be more... Exactly, Jack.
	But, I think we should probably get back to the topic at hand.
	Yes, I know, this was a little bit, it's my fault, I got us off on the subject, but I didn't want to push back a little bit.
	Thanks, Magnus.
	But, yeah, so, where were we exactly?
	We left off with the impossible levels of shooting from Adam Lanza.
	Oh, I did want to ask Dr. Fetzer about this because I mentioned this during the prep and we didn't ask him this yet.
	How do you feel about, I saw these pictures primarily on places like 4chan, of Adam Lanza and David Hogg.
	Are you familiar with David Hogg?
	Sure I am, from Parkland, yeah.
	He actually appears to have graduated from Laguna Shoals High School before he moved out to Parkland.
	His father's with the FBI and seems to have an expertise in the area of staging events.
	So I think David Hogg is a complete phony.
	He was there.
	He let it slip out, by the way, at Parkland.
	It was Valentine's Day.
	They let all the students, there were 3,500 students there, they let them all go up 1 p.m.
	because it was a holiday, and then the event took place later.
	It was the same progressive, Debbie, who is a wonderful woman who seems no longer to have a presence on the internet, who noticed in all the videos she's seen it was the same three dozen kids over.
	She never saw 3,500 kids.
	And remember, if you'd had all those kids with all their cell phones, there would have been tons of photographs, videos, all that.
	No, no, no.
	Very, very limited.
	Interestingly, the March for Our Life, which was supposed to have been inspired by the Valentine's Day event, but only occurred a few weeks afterward, was actually planned at least six months earlier because it's required in Washington, D.C.
	if you're going to have an event that closes the streets, you have to submit a request for a permit at least 180 days in advance.
	And we even got confirmation from the officer who processed that that, in fact, had happened months in advance.
	It appears that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was very upset that the Democrats might lose as many as 11 seats in Florida alone because of the Imran Awan scandal, where her own IT guy had been spying on Congress, using her status as a Congresswoman as cover.
	I mean, if there's any Congresswoman that deserved to be thrown out of office and impeached and tried and sent to prison, it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
	Chip, here's to a paired up with Rita Katz, who's a Hollywood producer, director of Dancing with the Stars, to put on the March for Our Lives.
	David Hogg, after he spoke at the March for Our Lives, actually six hours later did an interview with CBS, where he acknowledged that he'd actually gone home that day and then realized he had to get back on to school.
	So he got on his bike to ride back For the shooting event!
	I mean, I'm telling you, how bad is that?
	The whole thing was massively contrived.
	They use a guy in a SWAT suit using a SIM gun, which fires simulated ammunition as made out of beeswax and laundry detergent.
	It'll put a welt in your arm, but it won't penetrate the skin.
	Unlike rubber bullets, by the way.
	They'll make a gouge in your leg the size of a marble.
	So that when they talk about these rubber bullets, if you're hit the wrong place with a rubber bullet, you're dead.
	In any case, the reason why Sheriff Israel couldn't let his deputies into the building was they weren't in on the scam, and they might have shot the SWAT guy with a SIM gun, so he wouldn't even let him go in.
	But I mean, there's so much phony.
	And again, I say, go to My blog, jamesfetzer.org.
	Find the 65 shows and scroll down to Hottest Waterfalls, Flag Part 1 and Part 2.
	I've got several different sections about how to prove that Parkland was a complete phony and fraud, including all the evidence about getting the permit 100 days in advance, which would have been like, I don't know, October.
	I mean, it's just ridiculous what's gone on here.
	And we have a Barack Obama to thank.
	He's the guy who legitimized all these phony stage events to model after stage riots.
	I mean, look, for Crying Out Loud in Las Vegas, Crowds On Demand was recruiting participants to be at the concert there so they could pretend that they were being shot at.
	When it was all fake, they had a pre-recorded soundtrack.
	They played over the PA system of machine gun firing with intermittent three round blasts, because military rifles these days fire in three rounds blasts.
	And in the center of the Mandalay Bay Hotel on the fourth floor, Yep, flashing lights coordinate with the sound of the machine gun and higher up they had three light blasts.
	So the whole thing was phony.
	We even have a video of a guy standing out in the crowd and you can see the light from the muzzle blast.
	But no one's being hit because he's firing blanks.
	Dr. Fetzer, you're referring to Vegas, right?
	So when the Vegas shootings first happened, like when all of the, you know, footage from cell phones and shit was first coming out, like, you know, in the days after, uh, The Las Vegas shooting I agree with you that there's some weird shit going on there, too Because I myself saw video from a cell phone just some random video on YouTube and I shared it at the time I don't know if it's still out there or not, but you could clearly see on these white trailers.
	They were like I I don't know, like maybe staff trailers for them to go inside and get into the air conditioner.
	I don't know what they were.
	They were kind of like those vendor trailers, right?
	Yeah.
	But there was white trailers parked all over that place.
	And on top of that, you could clearly fucking see dudes like guys in all black running across the top of those fucking containers and like ducking behind the air conditioner units and shit on it.
	And you could clearly see it.
	There was some weird shit going on there.
	There was some very, very weird shit happening.
	What's very interesting is that the bona fide spectators, who didn't know this was a scam, turned over their cell phones and their laptops with the evidence they contained, and the FBI wiped them clean.
	Yeah, and from the videos that were on YouTube, I remember seeing one where it was a guy shooting AR-15 with a bump stock, and then it was a guy shooting an M240 Bravo, and then it compares at the same, it's the same exact cyclical rate of an M240 Bravo.
	It has the Vegas shooting on the right, and the guy shooting the 240 on the left, and they're playing them at the same time with the sound.
	Matches perfectly.
	They all match.
	There was some crazy shit.
	This Jesus Compos was supposed to be the security guard who knocked on the door of the Steven Paddock suite on the 32nd floor of this wing of the building, from which, by the way, no shots appeared to be fired, just as no shots were fired from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and stopped the- that disrupted him and he fired a bunch of shots at Jesus.
	Well, Everyone was trying to find Jesus.
	He was going to do five national TV interviews, but he disappeared.
	Meanwhile, they changed the script.
	They said that Jesus actually had disrupted him before the shooting, and he'd fired this fuselage of bullets down the hall toward Jesus.
	Well, look, those hotels are covered by video everywhere.
	They have sensors on the windows.
	If anyone opens a window, security immediately knows.
	He can't have fired a fuselage down the hallway.
	Those windows are hurricane-proof glass.
	Now get this, Jesus turns up on the set of the Ellen DeGeneres Show.
	Ellen DeGeneres, yeah, I remember that.
	She's looking kind of uneasy.
	There's no audience there.
	And when you compare the guy she's interviewing with the real Jesus, it's not the same guy.
	He's much heavier, fatter, thicker face and all that.
	She asked him questions and he wasn't up to date on the script.
	So he was given the old, original version that he disrupted him after they'd officially changed to him having this encounter before he went on the shooting spree.
	Now he was repeating after the shooting spree.
	We have a security guard who actually works there on the 32nd floor, said he never even heard of Jesus Compost.
	Well, get this.
	The Ellen DeGeneres Show, like the Mandalay Bay Hotel, is owned by MGM.
	And what does MGM do?
	They make movies.
	Las Vegas was a movie.
	Yeah, and how there's like no victims have come out.
	What was it, like over a hundred people were supposedly shot?
	Well, listen, listen.
	I've got a wonderful colleague, research colleague, Mona Alexis Pressler, and she started tracking all the obits because they were appearing like USA Today.
	There's like 50 of them.
	And she found they were based upon persons who died in different states or on different dates or from different causes of death.
	She also, get this, one of my Facebook, this is before I got locked out of my Facebook.
	And like you, I've been booted off of Twitter.
	I mean, one day I'm there and the next day I don't even have a, you know, any longer with no warning.
	Only place he could be is Telegram at this point.
	Yeah, right.
	I'm on Telegram, but I'm not making very much use of it.
	I mean, I put up a lot of shows on, it's called Jim Fetzer News if you're on Telegram, but there are many more on my BitChute site, BitChute Channel Jim Fetzer.
	You'll find quite a lot of resources there.
	But one of my Facebook friends actually, at the time, reached out to the three closest hospitals in relation to the concert area.
	And they asked if they'd had any gunshot admittees.
	And the first two said, nope, not one, not one.
	And the third said, I think you're calling about that drill, but no one was actually shot.
	Check with a local police.
	And she gave the phone numbers to verify it for yourself, so I did.
	And I called the first two.
	Yep, nobody admitted.
	Nobody admitted.
	I called the third, and she'd been muzzled.
	She was saying, well, she couldn't comment on it, because she'd already blown the cover.
	Mona also tracked down the FBI.
	There's a police report for the one-mile square area around the concert.
	And on this official report, it has every crime reported from 8 p.m.
	the day before to 8 p.m.
	the day after.
	It all consists of routine disturbing the police, stolen automobile, recover assault battery.
	There's not a single gunshot to be found anywhere in that official police archive.
	I mean, it's just... See, I understood it.
	I understood it differently.
	This is hilarious.
	So I also think that there was something fucked up that happened there, but I understand it differently because It's been a year.
	It's been since right after it happened that I looked into all this.
	So you may have more current information than I. Dr. Fetzer, I'll agree with that because all of the stuff that I am about to talk about is the shit that was happening in the days and weeks directly after the Vegas shooting.
	The way I understood it is that there were people who got shot there.
	There were reports all over the city of Las Vegas of shootings.
	There were reports like miles away at like a Hooters and at another hotel there was a shooting.
	There were shootings all over the place.
	So it was my understanding that it was just a massive gay-op of, you know, orchestrated shootings all over the city.
	And not just even Paddock.
	But like I said, that's old information.
	That's all from right around the time that it all happened.
	John, if you go to my blog and you check out, I mean, you don't actually have to go to the blog.
	You can find how to spot a false flag just by putting... I've got your website up right here, jamesmitcher.org.
	Yeah, but I mean, you can find how to spot a false flag, including with Catherine Horton.
	Just do a search.
	I mean, it'll show up now.
	What you'd find there, for example, with Hooters, Intellihub thought they'd found a mini massacre within the massacre because there were 17 ambulances in front of Hooters.
	I remember seeing that.
	Yeah, I saw that.
	Listen, we have footage inside Hooters, and there were 17 very bored crisis actors, each with their own sheet, waiting to be carried out on a stretcher to be another victim of a Las Vegas shooter.
	I mean, it's just absurd.
	Yes.
	The whole thing was fake from beginning to end.
	Fake, fake, fake.
	So, Magnus, with your question about the Adam Lanza thing, were you trying to say that they looked alike?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, there is a resemblance.
	I grant you that.
	But I'll tell you what I think.
	It looked to me like this drawing of Adam Lanza, and it looked like a watercolor on top of a skull.
	I think it was intended to give you The impression of someone that was sort of ghostly.
	But look, it's not impossible that they used David Hogg as a kind of a model because they knew he was going to serve us later.
	And then subconsciously, it would evoke memories of Sandy Hook.
	And you think, oh, my God, here we have another mass shooting.
	Would you know, they forgot to even put up the obituaries for the Parkland victims.
	They forgot to put them up.
	Whoops.
	You know, it just slipped our minds, you know.
	Yeah, people carrying out a lot of this were not rocket scientists.
	They made mistakes, you know, and we've been able to nail them.
	I've done really thorough reports on all of these, some of which may or may not be available, because I do a show with David Zubla called his Dark Outposts.
	I think it's called Inner Circle.
	And it's only by subscription, so we're not going to get banned by YouTube.
	But I just did a long one about Las Vegas a week before last.
	I mean, very lengthy, very thorough about Las Vegas, probably the most thorough I've ever done.
	Interestingly, I'm doing Las Vegas this coming week with Scott Bennett, who has a show on
	America Media Periscope, which is at, I believe, 8 p.m.
	Central.
	And we're going to show on Wednesday a report we did on video shortly after it happened.
	I believe this was with Kerry Cassidy of Operation Camelot.
	And then on Friday, his show is Wednesday and Friday, I'm going to take my slide set from that very thorough I already gave and we'll go through and just fill in the gaps about what we didn't have quite right or where we've learned more and all that sort of thing.
	So it should be very interesting on Wednesday and Friday of this coming week about Las Vegas.
	Should be very, very good.
	I think a lot of people might want to tune in.
	Yeah, I definitely will have to check that out.
	That just gives me, so we always call it Sandy Hoax, but at this point, Magnus, you gave me an idea, just call it Sloppy Hoax.
	Sloppy Hoax, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I'll tell you, I was very concerned that the circuit court judge in Connecticut wouldn't allow me to intervene when I'm making the obvious point that no one has ever shown that anybody died at Sandy Hook.
	When you're talking about a $33 million settlement, it would be appropriate, I should think, to establish that the crime had actually been committed before you fleeced Remington.
	And sad to say, it looks as though Remington is in on it because they aren't putting up a protest.
	They should be demanding all this evidence.
	They should be combing through my book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, for proof that this was a scam so they don't have to shell out $33 million, which even today Is not pocket change.
	Yeah, no.
	So for the actual scene itself on Sandy Hook, would you want to talk about like all the different things from like United Movers and all the other odd things that clearly seem like a staged event to me?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, we had videos about inside and out of the elementary school, and we had a lot of teachers commenting because there was all this stuff that was being stored there.
	You know, just boxes and boxes, even in Corona beer cartons and the like.
	And the teachers were saying, yeah, that's what they do with an abandoned school.
	They use it for storage.
	And when you look at this Classroom 10 I was talking about, if you look carefully, all the furniture is pushed up against the wall.
	Well that doesn't make any sense unless in fact it wasn't an operating school and I guarantee you 100% it was not an operating school.
	I mean their website, I was gonna say their website, I remember in your book in 2008 the traffic to the website went down to zero.
	I think you used a Wayback Machine.
	That's right.
	There was an interruption.
	There was no Internet activity.
	How can you have an elementary school with no Internet activity?
	Then it starts to resume shortly before the event.
	Here's something else.
	This was on...
	14th of December, right?
	Christmas, Hanukkah, right around the corner, elementary school?
	There should have been Christmas and Hanukkah decorations everywhere!
	They're not to be found!
	Except for the- Well, there should have been Christmas decorations, there shouldn't have been any- There should be no Hanukkah decorations anywhere!
	Yes.
	But I mean, the fact is, it's all missing there.
	And then you have stains on the wall and everything.
	Yeah, we've even got the moving vans.
	You got their name tags still on the door plate.
	You know, I mean, it's so fantastic.
	But that's why they have tried to suppress the book, even though, if my friends write, some over 10 million copies were downloaded as a PDF.
	And I'm very glad that happened for all the reasons I've adumbrated already.
	Yeah, and one of the funniest things to me is that they already had porta-potties there.
	Already on scene.
	Yes, yes.
	Wolfgang Halbig, who's a former Florida State Trooper, former U.S.
	Customs agent, former school principal, nationally recognized school safety expert, initiated FOIA requests to find out what happened to Sandy Hook.
	And he found his inquiries weren't being answered, his phone calls weren't being returned, and before he knew it, there were two homicide detectives from the local precinct on his porch in the gated community where he resides in Florida, telling him they were there on behalf of the State Police of Connecticut, and if he didn't stop asking questions about Sandy Hook, he would be prosecuted.
	Well, get this.
	Talk about the irony.
	Wolfgang just wanted to find out what happened so he could warn other school systems
	that it not happened to them too.
	But that got him on a rampage.
	That got him wanting to find out what really happened and why he was being blocked and why he was being
	threatened.
	And he went very aggressively.
	And in one of the hearings that resulted, and they were seeking to sabotage him all along the way
	so that an attorney who was overseeing would tell witnesses that were supposed to come to the hearing
	so Wolfgang could question him that they didn't have to come to the hearing.
	I mean, he was sabotaging.
	But when they didn't sabotage was Patricia LaLorda, who was the first select man of Newtown,
	which is a position equivalent to mayor in.
	And under oath, when she was questioned by Withgang's attorney about the sign, everyone must check in, she admitted it had not been placed there by the town.
	And when asked who had put it there, she said Homeland Security.
	Homeland Security.
	Well, Homeland Security wasn't supposed to be a new town.
	But of course, FEMA is a sub-branch of Homeland Security.
	And they had the porta-potties, just as they had the pizza and bottled water at the firehouse, because it's a standard part of a FEMA exercise.
	They provide refreshments and restrooms.
	And then you had all these participants with color-coded name tags on lanyards, which is how they identify the participants, and this very prominent sign, everyone must check in while you read the manual.
	And in one of the first paragraphs it says, everyone must check in with a controller upon arrival, no doubt to be paid and given their benefits for participating.
	I mean, it's just outrageous!
	So I have one question about that.
	When, like, how long in relation to the shooting was all of this stuff?
	I understand that you said the Porter Party, so, uh...
	Absent the porta-potties, how long a time was there between when the actual shooting happened and then they had like a check-in booth and like food and stuff out there?
	How long was that?
	How long was the time between that?
	Or was it all there before the shooting or what's going on there?
	Because the reason I'm asking so you can give a good rebuttal, I don't want to seem like I'm like trying to do a gotcha.
	The reason I'm asking is because That doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.
	If there's going to be an investigation going on for eight to ten hours, and there's going to be people out there, you're going to want people who are coming up to this crime scene to be accounted for, and you're going to want to, like, feed people who have been there for seven hours.
	I mean, that just doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.
	I'm being honest.
	It really doesn't.
	Listen to me.
	I talked to police with real experience and said, have you ever heard of porta-potties in the crime scene?
	And they laughed.
	They thought it was ridiculous.
	Well, I gave you the... No.
	I gave you the porta-potties.
	Let me further answer, John.
	John, let me further answer.
	It was a two-day exercise with a rehearsal on the 13th going live on the 14th.
	It's all in the book, John.
	You just take a look.
	So they were there for two days.
	That makes sense that they would feed them.
	John, they were there on the 13th for the rehearsal.
	Of course they were feeding them.
	That's a standard part of a feed and exercise.
	You're saying they were there before the shooting.
	I don't recall the actual date of the shooting.
	Was it the 14th?
	Yeah, sure.
	Oh, he was saying, okay, I missed that part.
	You're saying they were there doing that before the shooting.
	Okay.
	I thought you were saying this.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I missed that part.
	And look, there was no surge of EMTs into the...
	into the school.
	That was also true in Boston, no surge of EMTs.
	Even the fire chief, whose daughter also was there, who was also EMT, they rushed down and they weren't allowed to enter.
	As I've explained, there was no string of ambulances to rush their little bodies off to hospitals.
	No medevac chopper was called.
	As Wolfgang observed, they even bring a medicap met a chopper for drills. They put out triage tarps, but no
	body dead or wounded was ever placed on them. The whole thing was a humongous scam. And as I
	said, Wayne Carver, who was a medical examiner, was deeply involved in this and had a very
	bizarre press conference that was nicely dissected by James Tracy, an associate professor at Florida
	Atlantic, who wound up losing his job because he'd been reporting on Sandy Hook.
	They found a contrived way to get rid of him, even though he had a 10-year position.
	Totally outrageous.
	Observed how, uh, Carver didn't seem to know much about what he's talking about.
	He didn't know how many boys, how many were girls.
	He claimed they were all shot up with three to eleven shots.
	I mean, that's just ridiculous.
	And he explained they identified him using photographs.
	And what I've explained to you is that how they fake the kid.
	They used photographs of older children when they were younger.
	I was particularly interested, Kelly noticed a striking resemblance between Noah Bosner and his older stepbrother, Michael Vabner.
	And she would show this to friends and say, did you see any connection?
	They'd say, oh yeah, that's the same person, the guy just grown up.
	And so we went to work on it.
	Six of us worked on this.
	We found they had the same nose, the same eyes, the same eyebrows, the same mouth, the same ears, same shape of skull.
	So I had a friend, a brilliant guy by the name of Larry Rivera,
	who did a superposition of images to confirm Lee Oswald was a man in the doorway,
	even in terms of his facial feature, even though we already knew it was Lee,
	based upon the height, the weight, the build, the shirt, and the sheet shirt he was wearing,
	which were the same as the height, the weight, the build, the T-shirt, and the shirt he was wearing
	when he was arrested, where the police were so self-conscious
	that he'd been in the doorway that they made him take off his outer shirt
	so that he was only shot in a T-shirt in his mug shot so people wouldn't notice the similarity.
	So, Larry, I just sent him two photographs and asked, is this the same person?
	It turns out, without identifying, no names, no contacts, no Sandy Hook, no Newtown.
	Turns out, if you have photographs taken from the same perspective, And if you put the pupils the same distance apart and superimpose them, if it's the same person, all the features fall into place.
	So Larry created a GIF, and you can see Noah Posner turned into Michael Vabner, who's already graduated from college.
	So Michael Vabner is alive and well and obviously didn't die at Sandy Hook.
	I'm telling you, it's just outrageous.
	And if you look at my How to Spot a False Flag or one of my presentations on Sandy Hook, there's a Sandy Hook update.
	That you can find I did with Brian Ruh years ago.
	I've got a more recent version, shorter version.
	At a conference I did last year, I organized a conference on false flags and conspiracies 2020, where I had two dozen presentations and I made them all available for free.
	So if you get a false flag conspiracy 2020, You go to the upper right-hand corner, you can get into the archives, download a presentation by Kelly Watt, the same woman who noticed a blue moving pad, the same woman who noticed a similarity, the same woman to whom Leonard Posner gave the copy of the death certificate.
	And by me, those two on Sandy Hook, and you'll see Noah Posner turn into Michael Vabner.
	So I mean, the fraud of this is beyond belief.
	And the fact is, it's been used to strike terror, fear and terror into the hearts of every parent across America in an effort to promote their gun control agenda, which means this, the The Obama administration is performing acts of domestic terrorism.
	If you want to know who are the domestic terrorists, look at Barack Obama and his chumps.
	There you got a good start.
	I agree with you there, but uh... Well, hold on.
	So we're coming up on two hours of content here.
	Do we want to maybe, do we want to cut here?
	Jack, my wife's fixing dinner.
	Yeah, let's go ahead and cut it for today.
	I'd be glad to come back another time.
	Check out how to spot a false flag one and two and see what you'd most like me to pursue, because I could go with any of these or all of the above, and I'm glad to come back.
	I like having a lively exchange, and I appreciate John's aggressive way to play the devil's advocate.
	It's all been good, Jack.
	It's been really fun.
	Absolutely.
	Well, thank you so much for coming on, Dr. Fetzer.
	We really, really appreciate your perspective and all the great information you have for us.
	We'll have to have you on again soon.
	Let me just add one point, which is this.
	John B. Wells had me on the caravan to midnight last week, and we were going through a lot of my work.
	It was all audio, but I've got it up on my website.
	And let me say, I just concluded.
	I have the ammunition.
	I have the evidence.
	I know the law.
	I have attorneys to defend our First Amendment.
	I can go against Amazon.
	I'm planning to do that.
	And the Second Amendment, through these court cases, I have other plans in the works, but I need some financial support.
	I don't need a lot of money.
	I just need some money.
	So if anyone wants to go there, if you listen to the John B. Wells, you'll see where there's several options.
	if anyone wanted to support my efforts to defend the First and the Second Amendment,
	let me mention in particular one site that is, there's a foundation for
	World Peace through Education Foundation, worldpeace.org, where you can use credit cards.
	words.
	or debit cards to contribute if you're so inclined.
	Now, listen, this is totally voluntary.
	If you want to throw five or 10 bucks, if enough people just threw in 10 bucks,
	that would make a huge difference to my ability to deal with these issues.
	Because frankly, I'm in a unique position.
	I was sued.
	They cited this case in Connecticut that had no legal foundation.
	I'm now making a move to intervene in the bankruptcy case in Alabama.
	Now I'm doing this all out of my dedication to my country.
	But the lawyers have to be paid.
	There's some fees.
	And it's not necessarily a staggering amount of money, but I do need, if anyone believes what I'm doing with the First and Second Amendment, I would welcome your support.
	Just make a note.
	Yeah, if you, uh, if you want to send me an email with the link, we can make sure that's in the show notes for everyone.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Terrific.
	Terrific.
	Anything else you wanted to, uh, you wanted to plug while you're here, Dr. Fetzer?
	I think you mentioned the website.
	Well, just, you know, you got all these, the books are available at Moonrock Books, even though Amazon's banned it right now, they've locked up the Sandy Hook book because of the lawsuit.
	But I'm hoping to unravel that and get that back out again, because it would be enormously popular, I think.
	Everyone would want to see all the shouting is about.
	Check out my blog and especially the 65 Show, jimfetzer.org.
	Check out my BitChute site, BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer.
	Go to False Flag Conspiracies 2020 for a free download of all 24 of the presentations.
	You know, just listen to my show with John B. Wells.
	I think you'll really enjoy it, and then decide whether or not you'd want to chip in five or ten bucks.
	I'm not asking for a lot.
	If enough, contribute a small amount.
	That will work.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	All right, well, thank you so much for coming on.
	Yeah, Mike, I'm glad to come back again.
	Dr. Petry, it was great talking with you, man.
	I had a blast.
	Thank you for coming on.
	I did, too.
	You were great.
	Yeah, no, I'll definitely be reaching out to you sometime soon, and we'll coordinate everything.
	Thank you, Jack.

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