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"Everything Collapses Without the Existence of a Virus"- Dr Andrew Kaufman, Sept. 7, 2021
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Today's date is September the 7th, 2021.
My name is Christopher James, and I have with me back today, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, an incredible man, including with Dr. Tom Cowan, who in my professional opinion, have brought forth one of the most powerful truths to this world, outside of the common law, which I've been working on, and that is surrounding the COVID-19 lie.
Andrew, welcome to the program today.
Thank you very much, Christopher.
It's good to be back with you.
Well, it's great to have you, Andrew.
We were talking a little bit before we went to record here on camera, and ultimately I've made you aware of something very big that's happening in Canada here with the OPP officers.
So, my thing today is we're not going to mess around with things.
You and Tom, first and foremost, I want to say, Dr. Tom Cowan, from the bottom of my heart, on behalf of, I know, millions of people in this world, thank you.
Thank you for all that you've done for bringing this truth forward.
I didn't see this one coming out of, you know, left field, so to speak.
I've been focusing on the common law and accessing our public courthouses, but what you and Tom have brought to the table here is absolutely incredible surrounding the actual verifying that this virus, COVID-19 SARS-2, actually exists.
So can we first just drill down on it?
If you were in front of the police right now, if you were there in front of the world, what would you say to everybody quickly and powerfully to basically establish that this virus has never been Well, that's kind of a really tough one that you gave me.
You put me in a difficult situation, but I would just say, you know, a simple question.
Without relying on other people telling you it's so, how do you know that this virus is real and that it causes this disease?
Correct.
And because, you know, if you ask questions, Then somebody might be curious, right?
And they might look at you and say, you know, look, this guy's walking around confidently.
He's not wearing a mask, right?
He's going about his business.
And then he's asking me this question.
And it's like.
Gosh, I don't really know the answer to that.
I just rely on, you know, Dr. Fauci or my private physician or, you know, someone from the government to say that that's the case, but I've never investigated it.
So if you get someone curious, And, you know, because that's a pretty deep foundational question to ask.
It's not like, hey, did you notice that the flu disappeared last year?
Why do you think that is?
You know, you can definitely get people on the surface level or, hey, you know, why did they grant complete waiver of liability for these manufacturers of these vaccines?
You know, if somebody's harmed, who's responsible?
Like, would you buy a car where you couldn't sue the manufacturer if something went wrong?
You know, you could go at that level, but that's not really cutting to the deep foundational level, which is where not too many people are willing to go.
But it's so important because if you don't start at the beginning at the foundation,
then you're gonna miss something along the way that might be a miss.
And that's, you know, what I found is that actually step one is completely a miss.
And so that's why, you know, it's important to challenge that, but it's very difficult for people
because they have to put aside a model of understanding health and disease
and take that and turn it upside down in order to really consider the proposition
that I'm putting forward.
But the thing is, if I asked you about any step of that model of the germ theory and about disease, you wouldn't have looked at any of the evidence for any of those things.
Right?
You would have just accepted what you were told by someone else, and then if you go to that someone else, they wouldn't know either.
Right?
Like, people think that doctors understand how viruses are discovered and what the science is to prove that they cause illness and such, but we're not taught that at all.
So, I guarantee if you go around that I'm one of the, you know, maybe the only or definitely an exceedingly small minority of physicians who's actually looked at the scientific papers that purport to prove that these viruses are things and then purport to show that they actually cause an illness.
many times, actually, there is no paper that actually demonstrates this at all. For example,
Dr. Sam Bailey, who is really as important, if we're really important, as Tom and I are,
she's in New Zealand, so she's been covering a different part of the world. But she did
an in-depth analysis on chickenpox. And, you know, of course, when I'm watching this, I'm
like, yeah, I've been through that, right? Where she started looking at papers, trying
to find where's the paper that proves that this virus is real and that it causes chickenpox.
And what she found is every paper she looked at in the introductory section, it said,
You know, chickenpox is a highly contagious virus, or is caused by a highly contagious virus, varicella zoster.
But they didn't give reference of where that information came from.
And she kept looking and looking and digging and digging and just, it wasn't anywhere to be found, right?
Just like Carrie Mullis, the Nobel Prize winning inventor of the PCR procedure, Also had that experience when he was trying to find the paper that proves HIV cause AIDS.
He even went up to some of the most prominent researchers who won the Nobel Prize for this and they couldn't even point him to the paper.
Right?
So, the thing is that no one knows the answer to this question unless they've done the kind of research that I've done and Dr. Cowan and many others have done, where you've actually said, okay, how do they find viruses?
Where's the study that shows it and what does it actually do?
And if you go through that exercise, you'll find that they actually haven't even proven that it exists at all.
In fact, they haven't proven that any virus that is alleged to cause disease even exists, let alone actually causes any of these diseases.
And it's quite astonishing.
You have to take a step back and say, you know, am I still in this reality?
I remember going through this myself when, you know, I had a real sleepless night after I kind of reached this conclusion through my scientific inquiry.
And I, you know, kept asking myself, am I going crazy?
You know, if I put this information out there to the world, am I going to regret it?
You know, am I going to realize a few days later that I made a mistake?
And I kept thinking about it and thinking about it and talking to some other scientists about it and realized that there's no other conclusion that can be drawn when you're really looking at this information.
Yeah, everything has to be fact-based.
And like, I don't have a background in, you know, biology or medicine or whatever, but over the last couple of years, those of us that are on point and other people around the world, we've been thrust into this situation to learn what is going on, because obviously that knowledge is very important right now in our world.
But what you and Tom have done is just absolutely spectacular.
And that was the big thing for me too, Andrew, when you brought this truth to me and it registered with me, I was like, oh my God, you telling me that they've never isolated a single, you know, they really truly never found through the The process, you know, to isolate a virus that all of this stuff is basically pseudoscience that's been going on here.
And this is a huge truth.
I mean, the truth surrounding what happens against us when we're born, the trespass is huge.
That's very important, obviously, in restoring our courts.
But this truth that you've got here, to me, is the silver bullet in order to take down this COVID-19 lie.
It's a very simple question.
Produce the evidence that they went through the process.
Would you use the word isolated or purified in the Petri dish?
Right, well you know, so you wouldn't even use a petri dish actually, but the term isolation is the proper word by its common English definition, but what's occurred since the 1950s is that virology has adopted this fraudulent methodology, and they call it virus isolation.
But what it really is, is it's a tissue culture experiment.
And interestingly, and this is the reason why I personally think that this became the accepted method of, you know, so-called proving the existence of a virus, because it's the exact procedure that's used to manufacture a vaccine for a virus.
So, it's very convenient to be able to kill two birds with one stone.
And really, if you look at the economics and the business model related to viruses, there are very few drugs in existence that can treat viruses.
And every doctor knows this.
You really don't use even those few drugs like Tamiflu.
Everybody knows it doesn't work.
Right?
And then HIV is really the only area where you have drugs for viruses.
So, how does the medical industry address viruses through vaccines?
And it turns out that vaccines are a huge, huge industry.
Tens of billions of dollars in the U.S.
alone each year.
And this is especially profitable because they have no liability.
Because the government passed a special law to... because The manufacturers of vaccines in the 60s and 70s, they were basically being sued out of that business.
Because so many people were having adverse effects from these vaccines that they would sue the company, the company would have liability, and then it would cut into their profits.
And it was to the point that they weren't going to sustain it.
So they made a deal with the government to pass this law that they no longer have liability for these products.
You know, this is a get out of jail free card.
So it's evolved into this hugely profitable industry.
And every time there's a new virus, there is a new vaccine, or at least the possibility of one.
And we've seen that happen in record time over the last 18 months.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's why this, to me, the pace is very quickening worldwide as we're seeing with all these vaccination passports they're locking, trying to implement now.
And that's why, you know, I've always been saying on my website, a truth whose time has come.
But this truth here, yes, two birds with one stone, two big birds in the viral side of industry.
It's absolutely huge.
And for a guy like me, you know, I always say to everyone, Andrew, I'm not the sharpest marble in the bowl, sort of a play on words, but This is so powerful what you've educated me, you and Tom and others, the core group you're referring to.
It's absolutely simple for people to understand, you know, that if they're putting this out here that the COVID-19 SARS-2 virus exists and this is what's causing all this pandemics and stuff, then surely they must have the actual factual evidence that it was isolated somewhere in a lab in order for them to be basing all of these assumptions on.
Right.
And you know, it is a good point because if you go and try to read these scientific papers, it's very challenging because they use a cryptic language that even other biologists would have a hard time understanding.
However, if you think about just the concept of the experiment, it's very straightforward.
And I'll explain it, you know, in as simple terms as I can.
If you want to discover a new organism that's out there in nature, What you have to do is go find it where it is in nature.
And you want to probably observe it in nature if that's possible, like if it were, let's say, you know, a lemur, right?
You could observe it in its natural habitat and its behaviors.
And then you would want to take a specimen of a lemur only back to the laboratory so that you could study it.
You could see what it's made of, right?
You could do x-rays on it.
You could open it up after it died.
You could do all kinds of things to learn about the lemur from taking a lemur back to the laboratory and studying it.
But what they do with viruses is not that.
They don't take it from its source of nature, which would be an individual who has had an illness that it was caused by, and they could just take it out of that individual.
In fact, many individuals, to show that it was actually there in all the cases, that would be a really important thing to do.
And then, separated from all the other junk.
Now, you know, with a virus, it's really teeny, teeny, tiny.
In fact, it could be a hundred times smaller than a bacteria, even.
So, it's something that you can't see, even with a regular light microscope.
You need a special electron microscope to even see it.
But there are plenty of other particles of that size that scientists have been able to separate and purify out of a natural source, like bacteriophages, and like exosomes, which are particles put off by our own cells, and every animal makes these, and they occur when we have some insult to our tissues that causes disease.
And then our cells put off these tiny little particles and they have been purified and isolated directly from people, from bodies and body fluids.
So the methods are there.
It's readily available to be done, but they never even attempt this experiment anymore because when they attempted this back in the 1940s and 50s, they couldn't actually identify any virus because there were none there.
And it's not until they adopted this vaccine manufacturing protocol, and what happens there is they take some body fluid from a sick person, you know, which contains all sorts of nasty stuff.
I mean, it's diseased and dying flesh.
Right?
So, if we took that fluid and just, you know, left it in a cup on the kitchen counter, it would grow all kinds of nasty stuff and smell terrible, right?
Because it was rotting flesh.
And they add that to a foreign cell culture, sometimes human cells, but usually monkey kidney cells from the African green monkey.
And then they add like two or three times the concentration of antibiotics that are toxic to cells.
And they deplete the nutrition to make it starve.
And they do these things to make sure those cells in the culture die.
Because they say that those cells dying is proof of a virus.
But the thing is, they never do any experiments to show what causes those cells to die.
Right?
And there's, first of all, the body fluid that you add to it has a thousand things in it.
So how do you know it was, you know, what's in there even, and then which one of those things might have been poisonous to the cells?
And then you have the antibiotics, which you know are poisonous, and then you starve them, so you know that's not going to be favorable for healthy growth.
And in fact, there were two times that there was a control experiment done.
So, virologists are so sloppy, they publish studies without even doing a control experiment.
And a control experiment is crucial, as anyone who's taken science in high school knows, because it shows you that your results are caused by the thing you're looking at, rather than just by the experiment itself.
So when those control experiments were done for this, you know, virus isolation tissue culture, which is really a vaccine manufacturing protocol, What they found was without adding any possible source of a virus, the cells in the culture still died and still put off particles that look like what they say viruses are.
Even without any possible, you know, virus in the experiment, it still showed the same results.
And it's designed to do that.
So every time they do this experiment, they can get the results they want.
Right?
And they could essentially take any sick person anywhere in the world Take the tissue or fluid from the part of their body that's sick and do this experiment and say they found a virus.
And this goes back to Luke Montano?
No, this goes back to John Enders in 1954.
He's the one that developed this technique and actually won the Nobel Prize for manufacturing the polio vaccine, even though he wasn't given the credit.
That we know Sabin and Salk were the two people given the credit for the two different polio vaccines, but he developed the technique to use a foreign or to not use the kind of cells that polio was caused damage in, which are nerve cells, and they're hard to grow in the laboratory.
He used fetal cells from an aborted fetus And was able to, you know, manufacture the vaccine that way, which was much, much easier.
And that's why he won the Nobel Prize.
And it was the same exact technique, which he published in Measles Research.
And by the way, in his article that this technique came from, he said it didn't teach us anything
about what the virus does in a person.
And he also repeated the experiment a couple years later with the control and found that
without adding any source of the measles virus, he also produced particles in the cell culture
that were identical to measles.
So he kind of disproved himself, and he never made a claim in any of those papers that these
experiments prove the existence of a virus at all.
But after he won the Nobel Prize, others in the field reinterpreted this procedure as the, quote, isolation of a virus.
And it's just been repeated ever since then, over and over again, without any thought to the scientific invalidity of the experiment.
It's mind-blowing, Andrew.
It's mind-blowing to me because I get it that we've gone this long, never mind on the common law with the court side what's going on, but I mean, in the medical industry, all these incredible professionals, brilliant people around the world, that we've gone this long and no one has simply drilled down on that the process itself is corrupted, that it's not actually going to produce the required, you know, end result.
Well, you know, it's interesting because there have been a number of scientists and physicians who have looked into this and questioned things.
And, you know, this really, the most, the biggest time that this occurred was in the wake of the, you know, HIV AIDS pandemic.
And, you know, some people like Peter Duesberg, for example, we have doctors out of Australia known as the Perth Group, Okay, great.
Stephan Lanca, who, you know, is involved with us now, has been talking about this since
then. So it's not exactly new, but it wasn't on the major radar. Like, I didn't even hear
of those people questioning things until this started, and then I learned all about them
and learned a lot from their work. But even within the field of virology, there have been
people questioning this from time to time and even predicting that there would be a
point in time that this fraud would catch up with them.
And they didn't, you know, phrase it exactly that way, but essentially that message.
So it's not like that this is completely out of left field, but it certainly has never taken hold as, you know, in the mainstream.
I mean, you know, even now, there are many, many other doctors and scientists who are realizing the sham of the COVID pandemic, you know, at the surface level, but they're not looking at this evidence.
They're not going to the foundational level and saying, hey, let's start at the beginning.
You know, is there even a virus at all?
They're just accepting that that's All true and realizing that the deaths are faked and you know the death numbers and all other kinds of things that are really obvious and in your face that are contradictions of the mainstream.
Yeah, I heard you did a wonderful interview there a couple of weeks ago with Mike Adams, the health ranger you and Tom were on, and it was absolutely brilliant.
And if you could just touch on the one area of that conversation when you were discussing, I guess you had, there was a virology panel or you run some sort of panel and you and Tom were, you were asking the doctor, well, if you had a thousand samples or 10,000 samples, and he's telling you whether he'd be able to find it or not.
Could you give everyone the synopsis of how that conversation went?
Sure.
Well, you know, one thing is that like I've, you know, many people have tried to set up a discussion with me and one of the virologists who published some of these papers who carries out these procedures to, you know, see if we can have an open scientific discussion about this issue.
So, Tom and I have been invited to a few private groups And in one, there was someone, you know, who was associated with the Wuhan Institute and knew some of the virologists there and also was a pathologist, I think, had some affiliation with Yale, did the training or was on faculty there, and was taking the counter position.
Like, we kind of presented this analysis and then we took questions and so the statement was, There are, you know, we can't take the sample directly from a sick patient because there isn't enough virus present.
And, you know, this kind of really fails on the surface because if there's not enough virus there to even see, then how is there enough to make the person sick?
But, you know, I just said, I asked him, well, okay, so what if there's not enough with a single individual patient?
Well, what if we took, you know, the fluid from 10 patients and combined them?
And he said, no, it's still not enough.
And I kept going on, and I think I got all the way to 10,000 before he refused to answer any further.
But even at 10,000 people combining their samples, he still said there wasn't enough.
So, you know, that's, kind of defies logic and it's a good thing to recognize when someone is making an argument that's actually not rational or that is off-topic like a bait-and-switch or ad hominem you know where they say oh well you're not a you're not a virologist so you have no business talking about this or you know that kind of issue and that that's kind of how it went but it just doesn't make sense
You know, whenever, I also, you know, had the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Mikovits about this.
And, you know, she is a very strong advocate for freedom and truth.
And, you know, I welcome working with her and collaborating because, you know, we're all on the same team.
But when we had tried to have this discussion between us, you know, her claim was that With some viruses, you can't separate them from the cell, so you can't, you know, purify them and show just the virus particles, but that also doesn't make sense because how do they spread to other cells or other people if they can't be separated, you know, from the cell that they're infecting?
So, you know, There's really no rational arguments I've heard.
I've only heard kind of, you know, magical arguments or these logic fallacies when I've had discussions with other scientists about this.
But most, like I said, most are not really willing to even look at this issue.
It's so huge, that's why, Andrew.
I mean, this is a death blow to the entire virology, medicine, you know, what everything's been based upon.
Just so I'm clear, is it the pharmaceutical companies that ultimately rolled out these processes over the many years?
Are they the ones that designed this process to so-called isolate a virus?
Is that who's behind all of this, that it's never really been done independently?
Well, you know, I'd have to be like an investigative journalist and do take three to six months to go look at library basements and, you know, find the documents of secret meetings or something like that to really be able to answer that question.
But, you know, I think more objectively, if you look at where all of this comes from, is it comes from the so-called Rockefeller infiltration of medicine.
Which happened, you know, in the early part of the 20th century.
I even did a little documentary with Steve Falconer about this called Hippocratic Hypocrisy.
And, you know, they essentially took over the medical education system in order to establish the allopathic model as the only accepted medical model in the United States.
And, of course, there were similar programs carried out in other countries and then it spread to developing countries eventually.
And this really was a major boon for the petroleum industry at the time because pharmaceuticals were often made from petroleum.
In fact, one of the earliest products is something called Nujol, N-U-J-O-L, which I think means new oil or something like that, and it's just some waste product of the petroleum refining process that was used for medical purposes.
Right?
And, you know, we know things like petroleum jelly, Vaseline, for example, which is, you know, has a huge market share.
But, so this, through influencing the education, they have essentially made the whole system really look through this one lens of, and germ theory is the main philosophical paradigm behind modern allopathic medicine.
Yeah, it's like I said, it's just for me, as you know, this fight that we've been all working towards here to bring this truth out into the light.
Part of this process for me at our end here, Andrew, is to keep things simple for people.
And that's why I think what you guys have done is so simple for people to understand.
It's like a house.
If you came up to a house and you're seeing all these cracks and stuff that are occurring on it, something's not quite right with the house.
Well, then you start to investigate on how that house was built.
And if they did not ever start with a concrete foundation, Right.
They put it on some on top of something else.
Well, then everything that above it is not going to be sound.
It's not going to be true.
And it is eventually going to come down crashing.
And this is ultimately what we're seeing right now with multiple truths in this world that are coming forward in this world.
And this to me, this is one of the biggest truths simply for people to understand.
So that they don't have to try and go through and get into all this medical gobbly goop stuff.
Let's just simply talk about a process of isolation.
And was it ever really done for these viruses or any virus?
And if it isn't able to be proven, then we've obviously got a very powerful truth that the world needs to hear right now.
Because that ultimately, as far as I'm concerned, that takes the head off the snake with this whole COVID-19 that's going on in this world.
Right, yeah, absolutely.
Every single facet of the entire thing collapses without the existence of a virus.
Yeah, it's, like I said, so for you, when did you first come across this?
We were talking about, just so people know, Luke Montano, he's got a Nobel Prize, I believe, as well, he's received, and he also said something on the record.
Could you allude to that for everyone?
Yeah, absolutely.
And Luke Montagnier was, you know, given the prize for supposedly discovering the HIV virus.
And he was asked during an interview, you know, why do you need to purify the virus?
And the answer he gave was to show that it's real.
Which is kind of obvious, right?
Because otherwise, you just have a phantom.
And in fact, if you, you know, I've been, of course, also looking at all the science that's built on this false foundation.
And one thing that has become clear to me is that what they are doing in order to have the appearance of real science going on, is that everything is done as a simulation.
So some of these things are completely in the computer, like the sequencing of the in silico genome, right?
That's a purely theoretical simulation exercise in a computer.
It's not where they like take DNA or RNA from an organism and sequence it.
They're just making it up in a simulation.
The variants.
Now this one really kind of bowled me over.
When I looked on the CDC website, you know, how do they determine a variant or that it's, you know, transmissible or that's going to cause severe illness or whatever.
So they discover this by the simulation of the genome sequencing.
That's how they say there's a variant when they can't repeat the experiment exactly Like the original, they have slightly different sequences.
They say it's a variant, but it's completely just a simulation.
Then they take that simulated mutation in the sequence, they put it in a laboratory synthesizer, and they make an artificial piece of RNA with that new gene sequence that is just a computer simulation.
And they put it into an empty manufactured virus shell, So, in other words, they're making what they call, in their own words, a pseudovirus, because obviously the real thing doesn't exist, so they have to do it.
If they do an experiment, they have to do it this way.
And then they mix that pseudovirus, which, by the way, is almost the same as what's in many of the genetic vaccine injections.
Right?
It contains the mRNA for a, you know, protein product, a spike protein or something else, and it's in an artificial shell, right, that simulates a virus shell.
And they then mix this in a tissue culture, again, tissue culture, and they put in some antibodies, and depending on how these antibodies react, they say the characteristics of how it's going to behave clinically in people.
A complete simulation in the laboratory of manufactured pseudo fake virus using computer simulated fake genetic sequences interacting with antibodies that are only fakely designated as being for something that doesn't exist.
They're just antibodies that taken out of the blood of a sick person and then based on that they give you a fake story about what this thing is going to do in the real world.
Right.
For most of the mask studies or the studies on social distancing, those were all computer simulations.
Any of the ones that showed a favorable result, because when you do a computer simulation, you can tweak the variables.
to make the outcome what you want.
And so it's very easy to manipulate this research.
And on the surface, it looks legitimate because they use this fancy language.
They publish it in so-called peer-reviewed journals, right?
And so it has the appearance of real science, but if you actually read it, you figure out that it's just simulations and fantasy.
Let's talk about graphene oxide for a little bit there.
That is a known poison, is that not correct?
Yes, it certainly has known toxicity and it's pretty significant.
It's even been shown to kill laboratory animals at significant doses.
Right and there's an enormous amount of reporting that's coming out now that the graphene oxide is being found in the vaccination vials.
Can you confirm that or are you aware of that?
Well I'm aware of the research and I would say that I can't say that it's scientifically conclusive and you know I have to be very very careful and not let my You know, scientific skepticism guard down even when information comes out that might, you know, be important, you know, for us to know about.
So, there's a mountain of circumstantial evidence.
that there is graphene oxide in these injections.
And there is some laboratory evidence now that is supportive.
I can't say it's conclusive, but it's highly supportive.
So I think it's very reasonable to, you know, act as if it is an ingredient in these things.
And we may know with certainty in the future.
But it definitely has been present in masks.
And in fact, in Canada, there was a recall of a certain type of mask because of it containing graphene oxide.
So anyone can look that up on the Canadian government website.
So, and that's not the only recall for that purpose.
So, it wouldn't be a major leap of faith to say that, oh, if it
was contaminating this health product used in the COVID era, it could be contaminating other
things. But the truth is that vaccine manufacturers do not disclose all their ingredients. And we've
known this for quite a while.
And we've known this through congressional testimony.
We've discovered this through independent analysis of vaccines, like Professor Gatti in Italy did a few years ago, finding nanometallic particles in every human vaccine on the European market.
So I would expect that there are a number of constituents in these products that are undisclosed in their ingredients list.
And I would say there's an extremely high probability that graphene oxide is one of those, but even in their disclosed ingredient lists, we already have some constituents that are known to cause major toxicity.
And specifically, I'm talking about the pegylated hydrogels, or the so-called lipid nanoparticles, which is the container for the mRNA.
That has also known toxicity and we know from a leaked Pfizer study from Japan that it is distributed throughout the body and it seems to be concentrated in the genital organs.
So whatever else is associated with it, because sometimes they, you know, there's, I've reviewed dozens of articles from the biomedical science literature about applications of graphene oxide.
And they are frequently used in combination with hydrogels.
Which is the lipid nanoparticle.
So that, you know, is a technology that is already discussed a lot and it's been, you know, these devices have been made in experimental models in animals.
And graphene oxide shells are also used with metallic nanoparticles as well, which are extensively talked about in the biomedical literature being used in drug and gene delivery systems.
So these technologies could all be in combination in these injections and we just don't know for sure because it takes kind of some sophisticated Lab equipment and analytical chemistry really to figure out exactly what's in something that's unknown.
You know, I mean, I'm not criticizing the people who have done an excellent job trying to find out what's in these vials.
They're really doing the best that they can.
But it's not, you know, it's not like anyone has a team of Scientists who can sit around and say, okay, let's, let's figure out how we can, you know, test these vials and see, is this in there?
Is this, is the other thing?
Is the other thing?
And these are all different things and they're complicated to assess.
You know, it's, it's really a sad situation that we can't, of course, trust that the manufacturers would tell us the truth of this, but there is an old, you know, adage that goes way back, right?
Caveat emptor.
Buy or beware, and this is, you know, this may even be a maximum of law, but it's certainly something that we, you know, need to be reminded of with all of the things that we are, you know, asked to do during this pandemic because it really applies to all of them.
Well, that's why this is such a huge moment, Andrew, because we have before us here a very huge truth surrounding virology and its foundations and how it began a very long time ago that's affecting everything that's in our world today.
And that's why it's important that we keep this very, very simple for people to understand.
All of this other stuff with the protein spikes and the things that they can learn about, you know, that's incredible knowledge to learn.
I think right now the world simply needs to understand a very simple truth that this so-called virus has never been properly isolated and it's never been properly, you know, discovered, I guess you would say, in order for them to be building vaccines on top of it.
That's right.
It's never been discovered.
It's only been essentially made up.
Yeah, in a computer model, basically, or whatever?
Yeah, well, aspects of it have been made up in computer models, absolutely.
I mean, they, you know, it's the same thing when, you know, a lot of people have seen the document from the CDC, how did they develop the PCR test when they had no virus samples, right?
Well, of course, they can't have virus samples because there is no virus.
Now, there are some people selling samples that they say are virus isolates, but they're just the fluid from that cell culture that I described.
So, who knows what they contain?
Some toxic stuff, right?
But the reason what they did instead at the CDC is they actually synthesized The RNA sequence artificially in a machine, right?
That you basically type in any sequence you want and then you wait so many hours and then you get a vial with that sequence, you know, in RNA.
And they use that to calibrate the test.
So once again, a simulation, right?
They made something synthetically in the lab that simulated A virus which doesn't exist and then use that to calibrate their test since they couldn't access something that doesn't exist.
Yeah and Christine Massey who you're well aware of, a wonderful woman up here in Canada.
She's done a great job now putting everything into a single PDF because this package that's going out surrounding the police right now and that I'm working with here is that we want this to be a package that everybody can simply read and understand and it's packed very powerfully with this evidence that we're talking about here today.
So I just want to say, Andrew, you know, in closing, if you were, you know, to stand in front of, you know, a board of police officers or the world or whatever, what would you simply say to them?
Again, you know, just if you were to bring the simple truth to the forefront, how would you explain it to them that would engage them in this question, you know, that you would propose to them?
Gosh, well, you know, that's a unique audience and they're facing kind of a major moral dilemma right now because, you know, their original charter is to, you know, protect and serve the community.
And we know, of course, through our law study that that's not really been the case for a while, at least with many, any agency called Police, right, is really a policy enforcement agency.
But nonetheless, most people who go into this profession, right, they see themselves, at least in their initial intent, as being there to, you know, protect people's life and property.
Right?
And that is an extremely valuable service.
And I want to, you know, communicate to any law enforcement officers out there that we need you to do that and we don't want you to go away.
But, you know, in this circumstance, they're being asked to infringe upon the rights of the people that they thought that they were charged with protecting and serving.
So, you know, you guys need to really, really strongly consider, you know, do you want to be on the wrong side of history?
And do you want, you know, what are you going to say to your children 10 years down the road about how, you know, what you did during this, you know, totalitarian revolution or whatever we want to call it?
And, you know, what do you want to be able to say to them?
So I would certainly think about that.
But if you want to consider the magnitude of what's really going on, I would then ask you, you know, what knowledge do you have directly that there is actually a deadly virus out there?
That's right.
Well, that's what we're going to put to them this coming week, Andrew, and it's going to be a very powerful moment because the police in Toronto here, they're pushed back on the mandates, but we need to remove ourselves, as far as I'm concerned, from all this theatre with the vax passes and stuff that's going on, and we need to get back right down to the foundational truth.
As I say to the police, it'd be like if I came to them and I said that there's a dead body in that house.
And they come to me and they say, show me the dead body.
Well, then I can't show them the dead body.
And then, but the police, what do they still do?
Well, they still pretend to investigate, to charge someone, hold a trial, etc.
All of that stuff is being based on fraud because there was no body in the first place.
Yes, there are some murders, you know, that we know the body's never found, but there is absolutely no signs that there was a murder or that there is any man or woman that's missing in this regards.
That's the parallel that I use.
And the police seem to, Recognize that they seem to think that that's something that's foundational required when we investigate something.
Yeah, there's someone saying that there's a body making that claim like there's a virus.
Well, show us the body.
That's excellent.
And, you know, in describing that, another police analogy comes up, which is the chain of custody.
Yeah.
So think about the chain of custody of the virus like it's in the sick person.
Then where does it go?
That's right.
And that's a huge truth that everyone listening should understand is that that virus has to come from a sick person, correct?
It cannot be created or found.
It had to originally, foundationally come from the source, correct?
That's right.
I mean, it would be like they went to a crime scene and found just a random fragment of DNA, but it didn't match anything.
In fact, it didn't even come up as necessarily human.
Could they, you know, prove a crime from that?
Yeah.
Exactly.
And is it warranted to take all these steps to prove that there was a murder or a crime if the foundational evidence is not present?
That's the big theater that we've got going on here, is that we've got this massive rollout, this psyops on the consciousness of mankind.
And as I say to everyone, when truth is present, very few words are required.
And that's why this very simple truth, Andrew, that people can simply understand from a process standpoint, if something was never isolated or purified, found in that lab and what they did or took from that Sick individual, then what in God's name is all of this stuff been based on?
And that's the conversation I believe we need to have because all the evidence now is supporting that there has been no pandemic in this world, that the numbers are not what they said they are.
It's been, as you said, the flu's basically disappeared, you know, from the records over the last couple of years, yet all the death tolls when we've gone back the last five years, 2020 was actually less than it was the years before.
So, We need to have this conversation and have it fast because ultimately we've all been lied to here, whether it's been intentionally or whether we've just through our ignorance, we've allowed this virology to basically take such a prominent role right now.
But that's why what you and Tom have done.
That's why it blows me away, Andrew.
It really does.
I look at you're right up there with this core pillar right now that must be brought out into the light for the world to see.
First and foremost, then we can understand what's going on with the courthouse, how to get people in and hold them accountable.
But this truth that you brought forward, I think is there's nothing more important right now, Andrew.
Well, thank you so much.
And, you know, I really feel the same way about what you're doing, because even if we know the truth, if we sit idly by and, you know, go along with the program or just watch others fall into the Matrix, you know, then we are just as guilty really as letting this happen.
I mean, I can't remember the exact quote, but basically all it takes is for good men to do nothing, for tyranny to take over.
And so using the real law, right, the common law, not this, you know, abomination of commercial law that we are forced under, you know, through really fraud or however you want to describe it, but that we can stand up, you know, as real men and women and say, you know, it is our body.
We don't have to do what you're saying or do what we're told.
And we're going to stand up and do the right thing and live by our own natural law, right?
Which is the only real law of the land.
And that's what we all need to be doing.
And, you know, we need to do it In our own lives and really every day, if possible, even if we're, and I don't mean filing paperwork with the courts necessarily, I'm talking about saying no.
That's right.
That's right.
And for me, you know, I'll just leave it on this, Andrew.
This has been a, I'm so grateful again, sorry for being late here today, getting with you, but it's been an incredible conversation.
I've achieved everything that I wish to do right here today with you to hopefully make it simple for people to understand that this is the only conversation in town right now.
We need to get all this theater and all this other stuff that's going on and remove it away.
And the more I look at the process that virology's gone through, that fraud and everything that's existing within this whole system and how they've created these vaccines and stuff, well it's the same fraud that's within our court systems, our common law.
The two common elements, Andrew, is that our consciousness has been corrupted.
right, on both fronts. And once you bring that clarity to our consciousness and understanding
a very simple foundational truth, in order for you to even call something a virus, this step has
to happen ultimately first, where it's isolated, purified.
If people realize that, then they're told it's never been isolated.
They've never actually found it within a sick person.
I think that is a very huge light that needs to come to the forefront right now to help the average man, especially those in law enforcement, to stop these draconian measures that they are being pushed down because they're realizing something's wrong.
And now we need to not only give them the truth and the power of the common law court, the public courthouse, but we've got to give them this truth first and foremost, Andrew, that we're talking about here today.
And that's what we're about to do right now in Canada.
We're going to blow it up big time.
I got RCMP officers and OPP officers that are coming to the table now, and military, and we're going to bring this out into the light because that's why I'm saying this.
One question, I believe we'll do the hard reset that we all need to do.
It'll hopefully be an incredible shot across the bow of this evil and this theater that's going on that we can simply and quickly bring this simple question, one question, to the light.
Show us where it's been isolated.
Absolutely.
And, you know, that's the central message that I've been trying to get out there now for over a year.
And, of course, I'm going to continue.
And it's really fantastic to see that, you know, people are resonating with this truth and are actually taking this up in their strategies to, you know, defy the system and to stand up for themselves.
And, you know, I'm extremely supportive of all those efforts and especially of yours, Christopher.
Well, Andrew, we've never met personally, but I think you're an incredible man.
You and Tom, I love you both with all my heart.
And you guys have given me, I mean, I've had enough fight in my soul, so to speak, for the last 20 years with the lost side of it.
But what you've brought forward and awakened within my consciousness, the simplicity of what's gone on with this whole process of isolation and the virus has never phoned.
That to me is as big as what I've been working on for the last 20 years.
It's absolutely huge.
Those two truths, I think, need to go lockstep moving forward here because it is through that conversation simply that we're going to come simply to the solution.
So I truly want to thank you for being with me here today, Andrew.
And again, all my best on behalf of everyone that watches and has been following you.
You are an incredible light to this world, Andrew.
I know we're always giving accolades to one another, but you truly are my friend.
You're an incredible man at what you've brought forward.
And this truth, I think you and Tom and the others that are surrounding you are going to go down in history for bringing this truth forward because this, to me, is one of the most powerful lights our world needs to see right now, simply and powerfully.
Well, thank you.
I am the King of the North.
And I see a whole army of my countrymen here in defiance of tyranny.
you you
You've come to fight as free men.
Free men you are.
What will you do without freedom?
Will you fight?
Fight?
Against that?
No!
We will run!
And we will live.
Die?
Fight and you may die.
Run, and you'll live.
At least a while.
and dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this
day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they
may take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!
Oh yeah!
Fine speech.
Now what do we do?
Just be yourselves.
Where are you going?
I'm going to pick a fight.
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