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June 28, 2021 - Jim Fetzer
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Joe Olson (5 December 2020): 9/11: Where did the Towers Go?
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Viewed by James Fetzer on March 16th.
And on March 18th, I was interviewed by Coast to Coast AM.
At that particular time was the first time I made a public statement about 9-1-1.
And that was based on articles that began appearing at Veterans Today in May of 2014.
And they, at that point, had produced about a dozen articles on the nuclear demolition of the World Trade Center.
And I found every one of their articles to be very compelling.
and consistent with all of the evidence that was available from the site.
So I did additional research on what happened to those buildings and actually how the buildings were built.
I want to refer readers to WTC 1 and 2.
This is FEMA.
403 Underline CH2 Chapter 2.
In there, they show the exterior Van de Beer trusses of the building.
These are built with 52-inch high, 2-inch thick steel, plate steel spandrel sections at every floor.
They were built in three-story sections at a boatyard across the Hudson, brought over on barges, and swung in with cranes.
They were in-bolted, and then the spandrel sections were splice-bolted together, and then the whole assembly was connected to floor joists with top and bottom cord welding and shear ties laced through the top of the bar joists.
Then he had six inches of concrete that was poured as a floor deck between each one of the floors, making these things a membrane.
The buildings were designed to stand 120 mile an hour wind loads.
They had survived five hurricanes at the time that they were demolished, and they hadn't broken a pane of glass.
So the buildings were very rigid, very strong.
They were very capable of withstanding impacts.
They claim the design was for three 707s at one time, at the time the building was designed.
But that goes back to the ability of engineers at that time of the building design to be able to actually calculate loads to the capability they can now.
We won't get into that, but we will go into the holes that appeared in the face of the building.
This is off that same FEMA document.
You have FEMA document diagram 215, which shows the impact damage, and under it they show where two complete panels, three-story tall panel sections, were blown out of the building intact.
That would not be a normal failure plane from an impact.
You would not have a three-story segment that was outside the envelope of the plane, unbolt the dozen bolts on each side of the splices on the spandrels, and the end bolts, and all the floor joist connections, and blow out in complete sections, and land virtually undamaged on the ground outside the World Trade Center building.
So that's item number one that proves that they really didn't do what they claimed to do.
And then I was invited in 2018 to be a participant with Robert David Steele and 28 authors including Richard Gage, Jim Fetzer, and Mark Hightower, among many others, Christopher Bolin, to do a memo to the President, because the President won't concentrate on anything that's more than 800 words.
So he said, you have to keep it simple.
And this particular group of articles has had 4 million views online.
So we know a lot of people have had their epiphany on what happened that day.
My particular article was, Memorandum to the President.
Twin Towers Destroyed Using Clean Nukes, and there again it was based mainly on the information from veterans today, but also on fourth generation nuclear weapons by Andre Gosper and other research that's all footnoted in my articles.
I had attended the Austin Truth Fest conference on the 15th anniversary.
And this was 15 minutes from Infowars World Headquarters.
The speakers included Christopher Bolin and his book, Solving 911 Ends the War.
Jim Mars, who's one of the most renowned Texas research investigative reporters.
And Mark Anderson, editor of the American Free Press among others.
And I got to speak at that conference for about 10 minutes on the nuclear aspect of this.
But it's interesting that Infowars did not attend, they did not cover it after the fact,
and they had no...
Bye.
No support at all, because Christopher Boleyn actually traces this stuff back to Nutty Yahoo and the gang, so they didn't want to expose that particular connection to the destruction of those buildings.
I was invited to be a guest with George Norrie on Coast to Coast for the third time on August 1st of 2019, and he had Richard Gage has a guest several times.
Now, I had met Richard Gage in May of 2009.
He did three two-hour DVD premieres in Houston, and I went to dinner with him after those DVD premieres on two different occasions.
So, I know Richard Gage By sight, he would see me and he'd know who I am.
I did not sign the Architects and Engineers list of supporters until after he appeared with Kevin Barrett And Christopher Boleyn at an event in Detroit back in 2016.
And at that point, I said, okay, if you're willing to stand next to these two gentlemen, I'm willing to join.
So I signed up and became a registered one of the 3,500 member architects and engineers.
But then about two years later, after I started speaking out against the thermite hypothesis, my name was dropped from their roles, which is kind of interesting.
So anyhow, the title of the interview that Jim and I did in March of 2015 was Unequivocal 9-1-1 Nukes and I thought it was a great title and that it was possible that when I was on Coast to Coast that we'd have a few minutes to talk about other conspiracies since it's mainly a conspiracy show.
So I wrote this article Unequivocal 9-1-1 Nukes And explain how the buildings were destroyed.
And I explained the limitations of thermite and the physical characteristics of concrete, which we mentioned yesterday in an interview on Rebel Radio.
The detonation velocity is what's required to disassociate materials in an explosion.
And that's when you exceed the speed of sound inside the material.
For steel, that is 6,100 meters per second.
For concrete, it's 3,200.
meters per second and the maximum available for thermite is 895 meters per second.
So thermite did not disassociate the material in the building.
By Veterans, I mean Architects and Engineers 9-1-1 Truth's own documents, beyond misinformation, they state that it takes 0.13 pounds of thermite to melt each pound of steel.
Well, thermite burns at 4,000 degrees.
It takes a very finicky magnesium ignition of a 3,000 degree starter, and concrete and steel melt at 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit, but steel is vaporized at 5,200.
So, the steel that was actually turned into steel vapor above the building was not done at all by thermite.
Totally physically impossible.
So that eliminates thermite as a major contributor to the destruction of those buildings.
And then the exterior of the building, one of the claims for the thermite is that there's nanospheres of thermite in the dust at the World Trade Center buildings.
Well, the World Trade Center buildings were covered with 2,200 tons per building of 0.19 inch aluminum sheeting.
Which, if you vaporize aluminum and steel together, they're going to form naturally nanospheres in the atmosphere and rain down.
Any thermite that's found in the dust was not used for demolition of the building, because nanothermite is not a catalyst that goes unused in a chemical reaction, it is a reactant.
And so, if you start with thermite and you burn it, you do not end up with thermite.
So, that's another bogus claim on their particular part.
So, the amazing thing was, after I'm getting a message from Trump, he wants me to donate.
I don't think so.
After I published unequivocal 9-1-1 nukes, I was contacted by one of my readers who said, you need to get in touch with Heinz Palmer, who's a German physicist Who has done extensive analysis with four German physicists on the destruction of the building.
So, I opened that article, I read it, it's about a 5,000 word long article.
It includes 40 PowerPoint slides that show the exact sequence of the demolition of the building.
I forwarded it immediately to Gordon Duff.
And Gordon Duff said, Oh my God, this is an independent confirmation of everything that we've done on this nuclear event since day one.
So not only did he publish it, but he included in the bibliography, the 80 articles that are under the title, Nuclear Education at Veterans Today.
I had read all of those articles contemporaneous when they were published and spent hours on each one vetting the material and Coming to understand some of the concepts that I wasn't particularly familiar with.
Now, what you notice on this thermographic photo is that you have 110-story tall building, 110-story tall building, a 47-story tall building, all of them virtually level with ground level, and then you have building six, which is a seven-story tall building that looks like a nuclear crater.
Now, what Heinz made a big deal about is that the nuclear bomb was planted on the bedrock underneath the buildings.
And to understand that, we need to do a little bit of a geologic forensic.
During the last ice age, there was a thousand foot thick ice sheet over New York.
When that ice sheet melted, it dropped 40 feet of glacial rock, till, and dirt on top of the granite bedrock.
The Hudson River is actually a geologic fault line where you have two different types of rock, and so it was pretty much of a constant.
At the time of the last ice age, the sea level was 400 feet lower than it is today, but with the rising sea levels, It meant that the water level inside the Hudson River is only 15 feet below the grade level at the World Trade Center site, so if you started excavating down to put a foundation, you would stop at the bedrock because in order to blast the bedrock, you only had 100 feet of glacial rock and till under hydrostatic pressure from the
25 feet of head from the river that would wash into the bathtub and wash out all of Manhattan, so they couldn't do that.
They were already connected to the train tunnels underneath the building through the granite bedrock, so they stopped the foundation at 40 feet.
By placing a nuclear bomb directly in the center of the building, you could use the granite bedrock as a lens and all of the energy from the nuclear blast would come up through the core of the building.
The core of the building is 50 elevator shafts and three stairway shafts that are concrete lined from the floor almost to the roof of the building.
They stop at the upper floors on some of the elevator shafts, but bottom line is you had this core inside the building where you had concrete and steel in a heavy concentration that would absorb the heat coming up through the building.
Well, one of the things that Heinz mentioned was that iron has four stable isotopes, and when I read that, I went, well, wait a minute.
If it's got four stable isotopes, how many radioactive isotopes does it have?
And for that, I did a little bit of a deep dive.
It's in my article, The NIST Jenga Game.
But you have total between the elements that make up the steel, which is carbon and iron, and the elements that make up concrete, which is calcium, silicon, and carbon, you have available 98 isotopes to work as a gamma ray absorber.
So, as that energy is coming up through the core of the building, it's being absorbed, which would reduce the size of the nuclear cloud and also reduce somewhat the nuclear signature, but it's also converting all of that material into highly radioactive material, and that's why the basement of the building was 2,500 degrees hot in December of 2001.
So, after I reviewed their material, I wrote another article called Exposing the NIST Jenga Game.
And this was published at Veterans Today.
I've got graphics that show exactly how the floor joists tie into the side of the building that support it.
But the bottom line is I was analyzing the two failure modes that are in the NIST report.
One of them was that since the two twin towers had the same damage and had identical collapse protocols, You would have the same failure mode, and they claim it just was caused by pancaking.
You weaken the outside of the building, and then all of a sudden a building that could take 120 mile an hour wind load can't hold itself up, and it just starts collapsing down on itself.
Building 7 was not hit by anything, so they had to come up with a different hypothesis.
On that one, they claimed that one beam got overheated and pushed itself off of a haunch, and when that beam fell, it brought the whole building down on top of itself.
Well, those are both preposterous, and I go in extensive detail in these articles, and with several thousand words each in the articles, it's ridiculous to try to cover it In a oral presentation, you really need to study 9-1-1, and in particular, these three articles, the two that I wrote and the one that was done by Heinz Palmer, are absolutely slam-dunk grand jury proof that what happened did happen.
Now, I've got to Give some credit to architects and engineers for number one, being tenacious and keeping this in the public eye.
Number two, they funded a really good study by Dr. Halsey, the professor of civil engineering at Fairbanks University, and he did a finite element analysis of the failure of the building.
What he proved is that the NIST hypothesis was impossible, but what he didn't prove is what was possible.
And so, when we wrote our article, Jim helped me do the presentation for the article that's Robert David Steele's website, and he says that Building 7 was conventional.
If you actually study what it takes to do a conventional demolition, you have to go in and remove all the interior shear walls, you put in exploding bolts on critical connections, and even with the best design with complete access to the whole building and all of the interior gutted out of the building, you still have a high probably 10 or 20 percent failure rate for controlled demolitions by highly trained professionals that have six months to a year to set up all the different detonations that are involved in bringing a building down.
So what Heinz says is that Building 7 was also brought down and if you look at the damage to Building 6, the nuclear damage to it, it's obvious that they used the same bomb for all three of these.
And based on what Heinz has said and what's on Veterans Today, we're probably talking a half a kiloton bomb, which would equate to about a 300-pound package that you could deliver with a hand dolly.
So you could have UPS show up, deliver a hand dolly bomb, put it in basement number 50 of the Twin Towers, put it in the central elevator of building 7, and put it in the basement where the billion dollars worth of gold was removed out of building 6, and do all four of those demolitions.
And then, in order to hide the downwind signature, you would have an incidence of cancer that would be really high in the people radiating out as a function of the distance away from the site based on prevailing winds, and that would cover most of Brooklyn and the Bronx.
And surprisingly enough, it takes about 20 years to develop lung cancer from exposure to nuclear isotopes, and we ended up having 20,000 COVID patients that died of something other than Respiratory diseases that they had developed by being downwinders from 9-1-1.
So, you know, you have to look at these things.
These people overlap every possible means of multiplying their effect.
And just like the destruction of the World Trade Center 7 building included the destruction of the evidence for the oil for trade, the dot coms, And a number of other crimes, the Project Hammer, where they asset stripped Russia at the fall of the Berlin Wall.
All of those crimes were covered up by the destruction of the evidence and the destruction of the facilities where that evidence was held on 9-1-1.
So you're looking at multiple objectives are solved by a single event.
And that's what they did with the COVID.
And I've researched COVID quite a bit.
Jim posted an article on his website that was the last at this point in the series of articles that I've written on this WuFlu, and there again, I've studied it extensively.
Engineers are trained very well in physics and chemistry, and it's not much of a stretch once you have that matrix to come in and add biology and the technology that it takes to manufacture pathogens. And so in the study of nuclear weapons, it's
pretty logical to go ahead and extend and study the biological weapons because there are and chemical
weapons because we're dealing with a multi-force vector against us.
Joe, you open to some questions? Sure.
Because as I was explaining in the beginning, it seems to me there's such substantial differences between the mode of destruction of Building 7 and 1 and 2, where I've already described, you know, blowing apart in every direction from the top down, Where all the floors remain stationary, being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, having no residue left, that they were actually destroyed to or even below ground level, which appears to have been done by, given the design of the Twin Towers was a tube within a tube, where you had the massive 47 core columns in the center, it appears by the Palmer hypothesis, you blew it up from the bottom
Up, and then you had the residual effects which were visible from the outside of the destruction of the rest of the building.
I can buy that, and I think you've done a great job in articulating.
Dennis Camino had advanced that hypothesis way back when about, you know, 9-11 and a volcano of lives.
Now, Building 7 just seems to me very different.
You got all the floors coming down at the same time.
It's totally symmetrical, and you have a pile of debris equal to 12% of the height of the original 47 floors, which is what we have with classic controlled demolitions.
I just have not seen the role for nukes there.
Now, we know Barry Jennings was actually in Building 7 that morning.
He'd gone to Rudy Giuliani's command and control there, where they had two floors with their own air and water supply.
He found nobody there but half-eaten sandwiches, still steaming cups of coffee.
A fireman came along and said, we got to get you out of here.
He heard explosives going off in the building.
He had a stairwell blown out from under him.
He felt at one point himself stepping over bodies.
He couldn't see them, but he could feel them.
When he got out, he gave interviews that are still available on the internet.
Building 7, of course, was completely excluded.
From the 9-11 Commission report, a bizarre omission.
Of course, it came down at 5.20 in the afternoon, seven hours after the destruction of the North Tower or Building 1.
They would redo then a study of Building 7, claim it was caused by these very modest fires that could not possibly have been responsible.
But guess what?
Just days before the NIST released a report on Building 7, Barry Jennings dies.
So here's a guy of his own eyewitness experience could contradict the report that would only appear days later.
Now I'd like you to just pick up from there.
Even Dan Rather on 9-11 watching Building 7 come down was saying, this is just like what we see in the resorts and casinos in Las Vegas when they're brought down by controlled demolition.
He says it on the spot.
And when Danny Joinko, who was a Dutch expert in demolition, was shown footage of Building 7, he said, yes, of course, that's a controlled demolition.
But he had no idea that it was a part of the WTC building complex.
So he's just giving his professional opinion.
Totally independent of context, very much like Larry Rivera looking at the photographs of Noah Posner and Michael Vabner, independent of context.
So, I mean, that puzzles me.
Joe, I like all the other of your analysis.
I think it's correct in that the molten metal was primarily molten iron that endured until December 15th.
But building 7 seems to me to have been demolished by a separate and distinct mode of demolition.
Well, you had vaporization material of all four of those building sites.
So let's don't forget building 6.
When you look at the damage to building 6, It's inexplicable that it could be done with controlled demolition.
Conventional controlled demolitions, which would be thermite and conventional explosives.
That's item number one.
Item number two, there was no parking garage underneath building seven.
The parking garage underneath the World Trade Center buildings actually ended up melting a hundred foot deep hole because of the Lenz effect.
The granite was working as a tamper and it was absorbing the gamma rays that would have normally gone down and it was forcing them to come up.
In the process, you molted a crucible a hundred feet deep underneath those buildings and the last plates that Palmer has in his presentation are of giant track hose sitting up on top of this giant crater that are excavating material and you can see the igneous rock where the granite was metamorphosized because of the nuclear reaction.
In addition to the 98 isotopes from the building construction material, the granite would also contain phosphorus and sodium Which gives you another 50 isotopes.
So there's a total available 150 isotopes and the granite is radioactive to this day.
It'll be radioactive for a thousand years in a decreasing level over time because of half-life.
But that's why they put the ponds directly over those buildings.
Let's absorb it.
There's a pond at Building 7.
You wouldn't build a reflection pond in very expensive material unless you had to do something to cover up that particular nuclear signature.
So, why does it externally look so completely different, Joe?
Well, because you don't have a basement for that seven stories to collapse into.
Well, that's seven stories of debris, but that's okay.
You didn't get 13 floors down in the sub-basement of one and two, or are you contending that you did?
Well, a hundred foot would be 13 floors of material.
Yeah, when you do, when you look at the photos of the track hose sitting on top of the On the granite bedrock, removing material, and you see the little tiny workmen down inside there hosing this stuff out.
It's pretty obvious.
Now all of the material that came out of all four of those buildings was immediately shipped under armed guard to, of all places, Fresh Kill Landfill.
which had been used as a slaughterhouse disposal site in the 1900s and so that's why it got that name and that's why it was you know full of bones and guts and so that's where they stockpiled all the material before Giuliani allowed it to be deported without having any investigation on the material from the building at all.
So just eyeball deep in this thing.
Yes.
We got a couple of questions from the chat room, one of which I may have already answered.
Ron Furman asked, a new planet on the bedrock or slightly higher, can that explain that the WTC 1 and 2 blew up from the top down like two giant redwoods turning to dust?
But that's what I explained about the two, the blowing the inner tube from the bottom up, but the outer from the top down.
So I think that's the answer.
Would you not agree?
Well, you have the exterior bar joists, which are welded to the spandrel sections on every floor with bridging and top and cord bottom connections.
But in the center, they're welded to the steel columns in the center of the building.
When you eat out the core of the building, you're going to start collapsing all four sides of the center into that crucible, and that material is going down into that nuclear furnace that probably burned for 30 seconds or a minute down in the basement of the building.
So, all of that material was being drawn down.
It was being destroyed by either detonation velocity and coming up as dust through the core of the building, or it was being vaporized and coming up as part of the vapor stream.
So, as those floors are being sucked down through the center, they're being burnt and sent back up, and that allowed the whole building to cascade down on itself.
By the way, just to make a couple of points you haven't mentioned but are confirmatory of the nuclear hypothesis, it's a classic signature of the use of nuclear devices that they convert materials into very fine dust.
And of course we had lower Manhattan just covered with about two and a half inches of very fine dust.
Judy Wood made a calculation in her book, Where Do the Towers Go?, about the quantity of dust that would result from the conversion of those buildings and it was a good approximation of what we had there.
Then, in addition, we had the U.S.
Geological Survey conduct studies of the dust at 35 different locations and they found a host of elements that would not have been there Have this not been a nuclear event?
Barium, strontium, lithium, lanthium, tritium, some of which only exist in radioactive form.
And then as you have implied, we've had, you know, all kinds of odd cancers and so forth.
Leukemia, multiple myelomia, pancreatic, esophageal, other cancers.
That have developed where the death number may now be about 70,000.
You made a very astute point about using COVID to cover up these deaths more recent, and I'll be elaborating on that by and by.
But the pattern of, you know, harm done by these unusual diseases was completely parallel to that at Chernobyl.
So I think, you know, the nuclear hypothesis has a tremendous amount in its favor, though I must admit I'm still not quite convinced about Building 7.
Here's another question.
This is from Chad Brown.
Why so little attention to Project Hammer aspects about truthers?
Jeff Prager's book Murdering Liberty is Ignored by Truthers.
Now, I gotta tell you, I don't know Jeff Greger's book.
I'm sure I should.
I had originally, as you know, Joe, arranged for Jeff to join us today, but he, about a month ago, changed his mind for reasons I cannot explain and decided not to join us today.
Do you know his book, Murdering Liberty, or can you comment on Project Hammer?
Yeah, Project Hammer, there's a great YouTube video, probably no longer on YouTube, that explains that, and that was one of the things that you opened with when we did our program back in March 16th of 2015, was the Project Hammer, and it goes into all of the different funds that were involved, and the cover-up, and the Floating of the bonds.
Yeah, it was, depending on who you read, it's $250 billion to $300 billion worth of money that was allocated as 10-year bonds, and the bonds were coming due at the time that the buildings were destroyed.
It's interesting that they picked Project Hammer because Armin Hammer was one of the Rothschild agents, along with J.P.
Morgan, that went in and asset-stripped Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.
They went in and bought up all of Russia's steel and oil refinery capabilities.
And their railroads, they basically asset-stripped all of Russia.
So, in order to make history repeat, these guys used the same term, Project Hammer, when they went back and asset-stripped Russia after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Instead of embracing Russia to the world community and doing something to help them modernize and become part of a common human family, they went in there and said, well, here's a chance for us to rob the bank again, just the same way we did in 1918.
Very good.
Here's another question from Rob W. Can the issue of that Goldworth Billions missing be touched upon a bit?
And what evidence was there at the scene afterwards that support the use of nukes?
Are nukes of the type used to exist within, say, the U.S.
arsenal?
Of course, you can address that.
I partially answered, but anything you'd like to add, Joe?
Oh yeah, the Hiroshima bomb, little boy, was 10 feet long and weighed 9,700 pounds and had a yield strength of 15 kilotons.
By 1950, all of the US Iowa-class battleships had 16-inch diameter, 1,700-pound artillery shells that were 15 kilotons.
So that's the amount of militarization that happened just in the five years between Hiroshima and 1950.
The cannons on the Iowa-class battleship had a 40-mile range, so when we wanted to end the Korean War, we just said, China, if you don't stop helping Korea, we've got 30 of these bombs on turret number two of every one of our Iowa-class battleships.
We can sit with complete air support 40 miles away from every harbor on China, and we can nuke every harbor you've got with pinpoint precision with a 1900 pound.
And you can look up Project Gladys, I think it is.
I mentioned I have the link to it in one of my articles, but you can see a test demonstration of declassified films of a 16-inch artillery shell being fired out in Nevada, where we have another case of downwinders.
And you have the case of the strontium-caused cancers and leukemias and lung cancers in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where you had plenty of examples, and it takes 20 years for those Disease vectors to completely manifest in your patient population.
So, you know, the evidence of that is absolutely overwhelming.
When we overthrew Gaddafi, he had 143 tons of gold and was planning on creating a dinar which would compete against the euro and the dollar.
And that was one of the reasons why he was overthrown.
Libya was the only African country with no IMF debt.
It was the only Arab country with a net food export.
He had built a thousand miles of irrigation system that went from the bottom of Libya in the Sahara, a thousand miles to Tripoli, and he had turned the whole crescent of the Mediterranean coast into a tropical paradise.
There was water everywhere.
There were greenhouses.
They were, like I said, net food producers.
And we dropped 60,000 bombs on Libya.
We killed 250,000 blacks, most of them Muslims, which, you know, you wonder about our president, why Obama would have done that.
But we also exported the 143 tons of gold, and they set up a refining ship off the coast of Haiti, right after they had an earthquake in Haiti, and mysteriously Hillary Clinton's brother was in charge of the mining company that was over there minting gold as fast as they could with no evidence that they ever had more than a 60-foot deep 3-inch diameter test hole to prove that there was gold in Haiti.
So with no mining at all, they were over there re-stamping all of the gold bars that they'd stolen from Qandabi.
So it's just a matter of the same people that are playing the LIBOR scam with us on the gold market value are robbing everywhere they can and shuffling the stuff around and doing the phony baloney What's it called?
Fractional reserve banking with the gold and silver supply that they do with the monetary supply.
Joe, you're making some wonderful observations.
I think the bombing of Lydia was one of the most brutal and sadistic operations Gaddafi had created for the Libyan people, something as close to a truly humane society as ever been manifest on earth.
And Hillary led the project to savage Libya.
It's just awful, absolutely awful what happened.
That was Operation Zero Footprint, and then they used Operation Timber Sycamore to offload all of the Libyan weapons that they had captured from Benghazi to Turkey, where they could be distributed into Syria, where they overthrew the government of Syria repeatedly.
So yeah, we're dealing with with ruthless monsters.
The only thing we can hope is that through all of this torture test that Trump has had for the last four years, maybe he's annealed himself to support for the people that have been backstabbing him and maybe we're witnessing a real turnaround and maybe The overt voter theft is enough to wake people up to that and the COVID lockdown, that we just need to have a complete reset, and we need to build back better, but we don't need to build back the way the neural world order wants us to.
Yeah, right, right, right.
Indeed, indeed, indeed.
I'm even reluctant to use those words.
I'll take their words and use them against them.
Good.
William DeBerg has a nice note here.
By the way, Danny Jowenko, died in an accident shortly after his statement about the
demolition of Building 7. Also, the main reason Building 7 was different is perhaps because
it didn't have explosives on all of its floors as WCT 1 and 2 did. Well, that was an
hypothesis I had early on that it was a matter of distributing mini and micro nukes. And we do see
in footage as on loose chains, where you can see the explosions and all that coming out.
We can come back to that, but let me finish what William has to say.
The explosives lining the building reduce the amount of debris and disguise the fact that the Twin Towers also came down in free fall.
But even WTC7 was a huge building, the largest brought down by normal demolition, being conventional, if, in fact, nukes were not used.
Any comments on any of that?
Yeah, I'll tell you what, this subject really deserves to have a full-blown panel investigation where we can spend a whole week discussing it and go through absolutely all the evidence, but I did want to back up on one other thing that Architects and Engineers for 9-1-1 did good, and that is in 2018, and I believe it was around April, they filed a notice with the Southern District New York, SDNY, to open a grand jury investigation into the demolition of the World Trade Center buildings.
It took six months for them to respond and they said yes we do agree and there needs to be a grand jury investigation and here we are two years later there's not been a single witness from any one of the people in the architects and engineer community that have been invited into a grand jury.
You don't have to admit what happened in a grand jury, but there's no evidence that anything is being done to explore this, and we need to force that issue as well.
Here's one of a couple of questions that relate to the work of Judy Wood.
William Fox asks, another aspect of DSA sponsorship of 9-11 besides the use of nukes was the navigation of Hurricane Aaron to its closest point in New York City so that the swirling outer part of the hurricane blew the dust southward by the Verrazano Narrows Bridge and then out into the Atlantic so the radioactive dust would not mushroom out and linger too long in Manhattan.
This suggests use of HAARP.
Judy Wood also talks about the likely use of bean weapons.
What is your opinion of Wood's assertions?
He's asking you, of course, Joe.
Yeah, I was really excited about Judy's hypothesis when she first came out, and she is a PhD mechanical engineer, and I reviewed her calculations on the mass of the building that was missing, and the amount of energy that it would have taken to destroy the buildings, and I agreed with her calculations on that, and I listened to multiple interviews with her, several with you, and also she was on Coast to Coast, I believe, a couple of times.
She was interviewed by Alex Jones on InfoWars, And I went to her website, spent probably three or four days reviewing everything that she had posted on her website, and I had about a dozen questions, and I called her up on the phone.
I said, Judy, I am interested in your hypothesis, but I've got a couple of questions for you, and she goes, well, have you read my book?
And I said, no, but I read everything on your website, and I've listened to a dozen of your interviews, and she goes, well, I'm not answering any questions unless you buy my book.
I said, well, then you're not Can we just ask three or four questions?
She said, I'm not answering any questions until you buy my book.
And I said, well, you're not in the process of sharing truth.
You're in the process of selling books.
And I'm not in the process of supporting false hypothesis.
And I have too many reasons to not buy your book to override buying your book.
So that's probably Judy's foremost sponsor in the early days on November 11, 2006, I put her on my radio show for the first time.
Fourteen other interviews with her on my radio show would follow.
I was pioneering the interaction between radio and the Internet because we'd go to her website and Judy would talk about the various studies on her website.
When I eventually, you know, my last interview with her, she had John Hutchinson on, and because Hutchinson was talking about this levitation of materials and so forth in his garage, which sounded just a bit far-fetched, I asked about his background because we're dealing with Electromagnetism among the most complex areas of physics.
And he dismissed saying he flunked crayons and coloring books, which Judy thought was hilarious, but I thought was highly inappropriate.
I went on to the next question and so forth.
When I organized the Vancouver hearings in 2012, I invited both John Hutchison and Judy and a physicist I'm trying to recall his name, where Hutchison and the physicists both agreed, but then Judy talked them out of coming, and she never even responded to my invitation.
Meanwhile, before I went to Vancouver, I had posted a five-star review of her book on Amazon, but I said, well, I thought she might have succeeded in eliminating Large nukes.
And I was thinking in terms of much more conventional than what appears to have actually been used here, that, you know, she was very good apart from that.
And would you believe when I got back from the conference where a lot of material, a lot based on Jeff Broker's work, by the way, was presented to confirm the nuclear hypothesis, I found my review had been attacked 2000 times by fans at Judy Wood.
So I realized this was absurd.
I downgraded it to a three-star, and I instead enumerated the barium, strontium, lithium, lanthanum that had been discovered by the U.S.
Geological Survey.
And if you went there now, there are so many comments.
It's over 7,500.
You can't even open it.
It's too large to even open.
I mean, I'm talking about the last time I was able to open it.
Just Her position, alas, has degenerated as something akin to a cult.
She has a sacred text.
Where do the towers go?
They have a mystical leader, Judy herself.
They have a Praetorian guard, Thomas Potter, Andrew Johnson, and a number of others who will viciously attack anyone who raises any questions about her work.
Now, I just want to say, you know, I found Judy very disappointing because in the old days I was touting her as a single most qualified because she has degrees in material science and mechanical engineering and so forth.
I mean, she's got eminent credentials.
Now, notwithstanding all of that, we have two questions here related to Judy's work where Vivian asks, What about the toasted cars at the west of the building and the East River?
In work with Dennis Camino, I've accounted for that, but she's asking you.
Your answer, Joe.
Yes, well, first of all, there was a 2.2 Masso Minas 2.1 or 2.3 Richter scale explosion exactly 14 seconds prior to the visible initiation of collapse on both of the twin towers.
Now I'm sorry but a dew doesn't cause a seismic event to happen and the 14 seconds would have been the amount of time that it took for that energy to travel up through the core of the building and begin vaporizing the core and getting initiation of the collapse.
So that's item number one.
Item number two, you have this enormous amount of steel on the exterior of the building.
When you're doing a nuclear blast inside of the building, you're going to get nuclear rays that come out through.
This is what would be called a wave guide.
Where the nuclear blast that's inside this grid is going to come out in a pattern where it will burn the front of one car and not burn the tires on the back of it, not even blister the paint, because it's coming through a Wave Guide, which is patterning on the other buildings, and you can see it on the other buildings, faces of the other buildings.
You can see the shadow marks just the same way in Hiroshima.
You could see the shadows on the sidewalk where people have been standing when those buildings were vaporized.
Now, just to complete the serendipity on the false flags that we're dealing with right now, In 2014, a woman named Dr. Laura Presley, PhD in chemistry,
ran for a city council position in Austin and she was defeated by ES&S boat rigging machines.
And she has four patents for chemical processing.
And so she understood how software worked.
And so she debugged the whole thing and figured out the 10 precincts all had the same shift
the same pattern from a guy that had less than 30% in a four person race in the primary.
And she was running against him in a runoff and all of a sudden he had 60% of the vote.
Well, she had worked district, she's lived in the district for 20 years.
He's a college kid.
It's like obvious that somebody in Austin wanted to have a puppet on the city council
and probably a merit a county judge in Travis County.
So she was making presentations and she filed a lawsuit against Travis County clerk.
Well, in a crooked county like Travis County, the county clerk's not going to convict themselves of voter fraud.
So the district court there rejected it.
She went to the appeals court.
The appeals court said, well, you've proven that these machines violate the state constitution on voting.
But we can't make a judgment on the whole state of Texas, so you'll have to go to the Supreme Court.
$100,000 and two years later, she's in the state Supreme Court.
They agreed that the voting machines in Texas did not meet the requirements of the state constitution.
I had met her at a John Birch Society meeting, probably in Spring of 2015 and that was a luncheon meeting and then we went to a evening meeting with the Daughters of the Republic of Texas where she had another 50 or 60 people that she talked to.
I went to another half dozen events with her at tea parties all across the state of Texas.
She continued to pursue this.
On August 15th of 2016, there was a hearing at the Secretary of State's office in Austin.
The Secretary of State is appointed by the governor and the Secretary of the State appointed in 2012 by CFR puppet Rick Perry hired a Rose Law Firm attorney to be the director of elections.
He ordered that the 254 county clerks in Texas not follow the state law.
And that was proven in the Supreme Court case.
Well, at the hearing, they presented 200 pages of material on the defects of Hart InterCivic and election system and software voting machines.
Those machines are still in effect.
And just this last two weeks ago, there was an interview with a guy named Russ Rumsmeyer, who joined Laura Presley's group in Dallas investigated the 2018 elections in Dallas, found the same vote-rigging system going on in Dallas in 2018, and those cases are being held up in the district court in Dallas County.
Yes.
That's all fascinating, but we have a couple more questions about 9-11.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
Tony says, Judy Wood provides the only plausible explanation for the petrification of concrete and steel in midair.
Now, let me just say, Most Americans have forgotten, but the South Tower was destroyed first, when the top 30 floors, they basically were three 34-structures-plus, the top 30 floors tilted to the side and then was blown apart in midair.
Steve Jones, for example, in his contribution to 9-11 and the American Empire, edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, said he was just astonished. I mean, he himself is a
physicist. This is a phenomenon, an aspect of 9-11 that has generally disappeared from discussion. So I'm glad
Tony raises a question that brings us back.
What do you think about his observation and that tilting of the, and destruction of the
30-floor segment of the South Tower in midair? Well, yeah, it was, that is, it's actually a
directed energy weapon, but it's not directed from a remote site or from a satellite, which when she
was pressed on it, Judy said that she had located the site where the dews were originated from,
and it was a site over in Brooklyn. And you pull it up on Google, and there's no way you could go
You didn't have a complete line of sight down to the basement of the building, so you should have at least three or four Uh intact floors where radiation from that direction could not have done any damage to the building at all other than the stuff falling from above.
So by her own late and that was one of the last statements she ever made about it.
She goes well I've solved everything now I'm not going to discuss it any further.
But that was when she said it was directed from Brooklyn and that was completely absurd.
So one one final question.
Daryl Rawlins asks about Rebecca Roth, whom I regard as an imposter, but nevertheless she was correct about the gelatin group.
The bee thing, Israeli spies, these were the art students who were in both the North and the South Tower doing performance art external to the building.
He wants to know what kind of explosives they may have had.
They had all these boxes of, you know, fuse holders, Joe, my speculation has been they were involved in creating the cookie cutter cutouts on the external of the building.
That's my conjecture, but they want your answer.
Well, you and I had an interesting discussion with a guy that we'll just call the hollow tower theory guy.
He brought up the point that the piece of exterior waffle panel, the three-story high, three-column wide, with three sections of 52-inch by 2-inch thick steel spandrel section and the square 16-inch box columns, ended up beside the St.
Paul's Orthodox Church right next to the World Trade Center building, and the 52-inch high, two-inch thick plate steel had deformations, but where the bolt holes were on both ends and on all of the splice joints, there was no shear No tearing of the bolt holes.
So what was obvious is that somebody came in with a plasma cutter as part of the pre-event, cut the plasma bolts that holding the panels from the inside, planted shaped charges on them, and blew those two sections out before they actually ended up hitting the building with a missile that came in and did the horizontal damage that's visible on the columns if you look at FEMA 2-15 at the FEMA 403 site.
So if you look at their actual photo you can see where the two panel sections were blown out intact and then there is a distribution and that indicates a missile attack and we could get into that at some future broadcast.
Jack has been advocating and I'm open to it Joe, this was a simply excellent presentation and you did a terrific job.
I want to thank you so very much.
You were wonderful.
Next time we'll do PowerPoints.
You got it.
You got it, Joe.
Thank you.
God bless you, James.
Happy birthday, my friend.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Joe.
Thanks so much.
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