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April 15, 2021 - Jim Fetzer
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Alan Sabrosky with Mike Harris (13 April 2021)
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All right. Well, good afternoon, everyone.
This is Mike Harris.
This is the Mike Harris Radio Show, the short end of the stick.
And today I am very pleased after great difficulty and a lot of coordination.
We have a distinguished guest today, Dr. Alan Sebrowski.
Dr. Sebrowski got his PhD from the University of Michigan.
He's a writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs, which is what the topic, the main topic of our discussion is going to be today.
In 1988, he received the Superior Civilian Service Award after more than five years of service at the U.S.
Army War College as their Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute, and held the chair for the General of the Army, Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research.
Listed in Who's Who in the East, a Marine Corps veteran, 1986 graduate of the U.S.
Army War College, Dr. Sebrowski's teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Middleburg College, and Catholic University.
In addition, while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the John Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies.
Dr. Cebrowski has lectured widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad.
With that being said, Dr. Cebrowski, Alan, if I may call you that, welcome to the show.
We're glad to have you, sir.
Thank you, Mike.
And I'm glad that we managed to do it.
You might at some point tell the listeners what we went through to get here.
I can touch on that.
And, you know, whenever you work in the fields that we work in, We don't know what is coincidence.
And we don't know what is, but what I will say is after this is our third attempt to schedule this interview, and we had missing communications we had Missed meetings, we had things set up that didn't occur because our emails weren't going through, our text messages weren't going through, we just had a mess.
But we persevered because the topic today is a critical topic for everyone in the United States to understand what the current reality that we're living in is.
So, with that being said, the topic I want to discuss today primarily We've got other questions that will spring off of this.
We've got easily an hour worth of material here, but right now the U.S.
is going through a very, very difficult time.
We watched what went on with the riots all last summer.
We watched what went on with this COVID pandemic fraud.
We watched the election being stolen, and we've watched a number of very Active measures that's against the people of the United States directly.
So I really, we go back to what happened on 9-11.
And we still haven't been told the truth by our own government to what really happened.
Now, anyone with half a brain, you know, an IQ of a room temperature, and a little deductive reasoning can figure out that 19 Arabs with box cutters did not take those towers down.
But the perpetrators who did that crime are still at large and have been running around freely.
And it's my premise that the same people who engineered that debacle are behind a lot of these other things that are going on, the current reality we're living through.
So, Ellen, what I'd like to ask you directly is, in your opinion, your analysis, after the research and study that I know you've done, I know is extensive, Who truly are both the tactical enemies of the U.S.
and the strategic enemies of the U.S.?
And I separate those two because China being used tactically by other darker forces.
And they're the kind of the boogeyman right now that everybody's ranting and raving about.
But just because they're a tactical enemy, I do not discount them.
So what's your What is your analysis?
What have you concluded based on your years and years of experience and study?
My conclusion is actually very distressing to me.
Our principal domestic enemy, and I think I'm going to think in terms of domestic and foreign, which has an overlap of the tactical and strategic Now, our principal domestic enemy is a true axis of evil, which is the modern Democrat Party, which has no relationship whatsoever to the Democrat Party of Harry Truman and John Kennedy, and radical movements such as Antifa and BLM, which function as its street soldiers.
This is our principal domestic enemy.
They are in concert with our principal international enemy, which is Israel and global Zionism.
We are the target.
We are the preeminent target.
And the rest of Western civilization in Western Europe is a secondary target.
We can't really separate these out.
The tools differ.
It can be the pandemic.
It can be riots in the street.
It could be unrestricted migration.
But the objective is to destroy Western civilization and Western culture.
And a lot of rank-and-file Democrats do not understand that.
But I cannot believe that the Democrat leadership does not.
I exclude Joe Biden, who may not be fully aware of where he is at this moment in time.
But certainly the Democrat National Committee, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, they know.
The people they deal with in AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, as it's loosely and jocularly called, they know.
And the people in Europe who are pushing the migration, they know.
And very few people who don't know, and I use a few not in terms of numbers, but in terms of groups, are the American and European people.
Most of the media, all of the major advertising agencies, all of the major entertainment agencies, in the Western world are controlled by an interlock of the
same group. You can look at the board of directors of 20th Century Fox, the board of
directors of NBC, the board of directors of the New York Times or Washington Post, go to the BBC, go
to the Times of London, go to the newspapers and media stations on the continent of Europe,
and you'll see much the same people, much the same type of people.
Thank you.
And we, we have been the victims of our own freedoms, because our adversaries Okay.
Did you lock up there?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
All right.
States the Bill of Rights and used it to advance their own cause.
Okay. Did you lock up there?
Yes.
Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I agree with everything you said. And I'll refer back to
the John Hopkins study of about four or five years ago, where they did the analysis of
who controls commerce globally.
And there's 147 financial firms with interlocking boards that control roughly 80% of global commerce.
And I think We did in the past.
you know, as a result. So what is the purpose? Why do they want to take down, destroy Western
civilization? Because we have achieved technological and quality of life and life extension, all
these things that have been the product of Western civilization. What would be the motive
behind destroying that?
We did in the past. We did in the past. In practical terms, politically and economically,
we are declining.
Thank you.
We are clearly declining.
We are in a state of decadence, and we don't know it.
We certainly deny it.
The Chinese know it.
Even the Russians know it.
I was thinking, as you were talking at the beginning, that, you know, many people used to say that America was the new Rome.
This was the Roman Empire on the Potomac, which was sort of upset the Russians because they thought of themselves as the last Rome, but this would be a Western Rome, perhaps.
Perhaps Byzantium, I think, rather than the Western Roman Empire.
What we have become is essentially the sick man of the world in great powers.
We have the new Ottoman Empire.
Very little works politically in this country.
One of the odd things about it is that Much as I love this country, and I've served it and loved it my adult life, I recognize that the constitutional order, structure of government, processes of government, was designed for a minor state on the periphery of the balance of power, and it was intended to preclude the effective concentration of power anywhere in the government.
And the United States has been for many decades at the center of the balance of power.
And the problems it faced required a concentration of power where people who intended to do well deal with the problems and not simply seek power could do it.
We now have people who have the power in this country, the Democrats, And they're interested in power.
And I would really like to know, I was going to say I'd like to get Nancy Pelosi on the couch and psychoanalyze her, but I don't think I'd care to get that close to her.
Does she know, does she know in her heart that all of the policies she is proposing are a self-destructive As an individual contemplating personal suicide would take at an individual level.
Or does she not know that?
Does she not know that?
Does she genuinely believe that this will eventually work itself out?
I don't know.
I would like to think, think the former.
I would like to think the former, because otherwise she and those who support her, she and those who support this on the political left of the Democrats, and there is no real center in the Democratic Party today, are essentially demented.
Our entire government, you know, We watched the murder of John F. Kennedy in broad daylight, and we watched it be covered up by the Warren Commission, you know, Alan Dulles and his company.
We watched 9-11 occur and no one was really brought to justice on that.
It appears from where I sit that our government has turned toxic and has become captured operations that are working against the best interest of the American people.
I don't see anybody's life in this country getting any better.
I see people's lives getting worse.
I see the middle class is disappearing.
The poor, the people who are in the permanent underclass are being crushed.
There's a few who are getting insanely wealthy.
I mean, look at the tech giants and the control that they have over The newer technologies regarding social media and other newer means of communication that didn't exist 25 to 50 years ago, and I see that they're trying to kill the goose that laid the golden egg, and that is the American middle class and the American people.
These are greatly disturbing trends to me.
Is there any recourse at this late date that the American people have Given the situation we find ourselves in?
I don't think so.
I'm, you know, I'm inherently as a function of my time in the Marine Corps, more than anything else, a definite believer in it is always possible to work out a problem.
But I don't see the solutions here.
I believe In my head and my heart, both, that the last six months of 2020, where that watershed, that fork in the road, and there's a path that we could have taken and didn't.
When, and I should mention, I'm no great fan of Trump as an individual.
But when you look at the other side, you know, there's a tendency to gulp and say, sometimes the devil, sometimes the devil, you know, and the rest of this, but very seriously, his great failing was not a failing of his personality or his psyche or anything else.
Of course he liked, loved the power of the office and the pomp of the office.
No one goes into that level of office who doesn't.
It's like Jimmy Carter, one of my Secret Service friends told me, Jimmy Carter liked to show himself off carrying his own suitcase, you know?
Is he going to the helicopter?
Well, the suitcases were empty, literally empty, and the other people were schlepping the full suitcases behind him, so it was a PR thing.
But people in office, at that kind of office, they do like it.
His problem was total inexperience.
He had no governmental connections.
He had humiliated the RNC in 2015-2016 by beating their entire stable of candidates.
He made them look like utter fools.
Which they are!
Which they are, but he had no one to rely upon to staff his government.
So he kept a lot of Obama holdovers in defense, in justice, in state, that had no business being there.
And he didn't know what to do.
He really didn't know what to do.
But come 2020, once the riots started in late May of 2020, that was the point of decision.
That was the fork in the road.
And the path he took was one of basically passivity.
He talked, he pleaded, he cajoled, he promised.
His followers waited and waited and waited.
Some of them went with conspiracy theories like the QAnon.
That's a real conspiracy theory.
It's like Operation Trust in the Soviet Union in the early 20s.
They waited while hundreds of cities burned.
Billions of dollars were damaged.
Loot and arson.
Thousands of people injured.
Hundreds of people murdered.
Did nothing.
Millions of veterans, tens of millions of people, armed to the teeth, more than willing to go out and do something.
They wanted leadership and they didn't get it.
Trump had every right, as President and Chief Magistrate, to invoke the Insurrection Act in the first week of June at the very latest.
Arrest seditious Democratic governors and mayors who were not using the police power vested in them to restore order in their cities, and ship them off to be tried for sedition.
Use Marines and paratroops to crush the rioters.
And when I say crush the rioters, I mean just that.
Crush them.
Crush them.
And that would have provided both the leadership and a focus for the leadership for his followers.
And the Democrats watching that happen, in addition to shrieking fascists and everything else that they did at Trump, which they did anyway, that wouldn't change, would never have dared Pride and fraud that they did so publicly and so blatantly and so openly in the November elections.
They wouldn't have dared with that as a precedent.
He didn't do that.
And so we took the fork of passivity.
Now his leaders have no one to follow in practical terms.
We do not face, as I mentioned in that article, you know, here there be monsters.
You know, this isn't politics as usual.
The Democrats will have to try very hard and be very stupid to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I don't expect them.
I don't like Pelosi, and I don't like Schumer, and I don't like the people around them.
But if they're nothing else, they are politically cunning.
They are politically cunning.
And I can't see them looking at the opportunities They're piranhas.
And, you know, like any criminal.
If a criminal starts out and he gets away with a small crime, he'll continue to do that crime and he will escalate.
The scope and scale of the crimes he commits will increase as a function of time.
And based on their success with this theft of the election, I don't think we're ever going to have another election in this country That's going to resemble an honest election in any way, shape or form.
And I think that anyone who believes elsewise is smoking what has come to be known as opium, because we hope something is going to happen and it makes us feel good to believe that that something good is going to happen.
So how do we wake up the American people and instill a sense of desperation in the, you know, 200, 250 million people who are still good American citizens who want the rule of law and who want to live in a democratic republic as we have constructed?
How are we going to inflict or compel them to open their eyes and see how dire the situation is?
What would you recommend?
How would you go about it?
I don't see it happening.
I mean, I really don't see it happening.
The White House, even the White House, even the Trump White House, had great difficulty getting the message out, his message to the American people, because all of the media, with a partial exception of Fox, partial exception of Fox, was essentially the propaganda adjunct of the Democrat Party.
I mean, you've got very, very few options.
Most of what he said was never heard by most of the American people.
Most of the armed forces have been gradually going left for decades.
You know, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Forrester Army General Mike Milley, You know, has said publicly that the U.S.
can't withdraw from Afghanistan because Afghan women's rights would be set back to the Stone Age.
Just imagine, you know, this is the senior ranking general in the United States.
They are now teaching critical race theory at the service academies at West Point, Annapolis, and Colorado Springs.
What do you think those young officers are going to do?
The Secretary of Defense, a former black four-star general, is having the same thing put into the training mechanism, not just for civilians in the Defense Department, but for enlisted personnel.
So you're covering that.
I mean, the military is the bulwark of the American people.
Is not.
Even my, God help me, you know, even, even my treasured Marine Corps is gone.
Even it is gone.
There's still parts of it, and there are parts of the other services.
We'll see how long they last.
U.S.
Special Operations Command got its first Director of Inclusivity and Diversity.
This is where we're going.
This is what the administration, this administration's government is doing.
They understand.
They've got a hold on the Congress.
It's a wafer-thin hold in both houses.
Wafer-thin.
But it's there.
And 5150 is a working majority.
They've just got to deal with one West Virginia Democrat senator.
I hope he's got a really good insurance policy and good security guards.
Yeah, yeah.
Very, very much.
Because he's the only thing that's even partially blocking him.
Everyone else signs on.
And of course there are Republicans like Romney and Collins.
I mean, I remember when Bill Clinton took office, he went and fired every sitting US attorney coast to coast.
but it's, they've got that. They're replacing much of the bureaucracy that, which is what Trump
should have done and did, but didn't know how to do it. I mean, I remember when Bill Clinton took
office, he went and fired every sitting US attorney coast to coast. And Trump should have done the
same thing, and did not. And And you know, the way I look at things, the Department of Justice is a captured operation.
It does not function.
The judiciary is a captured operation.
The fact that Texas filed that lawsuit with 18 other states in tow, and they had no standing.
Are you kidding me?
There's no standing?
I know.
Article 3, Section 2 of the Constitution and the 11th Amendment, which did focus explicitly on that part of the Constitution, dealt with what a state and others would do to have standing before the Supreme Court.
Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm, you know, I'm literate.
Pretty smart guy.
Yeah.
I'm not, even if I'm not so smart, I'm literate, I'm literate.
I was from an era where you had to learn to diagram sentences and you follow this through on it.
Texas had standing, oh and it was 21 states at the end.
There's Texas, 21 states finally saying that, or 20 or 20.
And it was close to a division of states Uh, because many of the others signed on to back the ones that were being challenged by Texas.
The Democrat-run states.
It was as close a division of this country into two groups of states as it's seen since 1861.
And if the Supreme Court was intended to deal with any dispute between and among states, it was something where you've got a couple of dozen, slight exaggeration, 20 plus states on each side saying you're wrong.
Now, what else is the court there?
And every single one of Trump's appointees, every single one of them,
went along with him, joined Roberts and the three liberals,
every single one of them.
You know, I looked at that and I think everyone was hoping,
this wasn't hoping, the idea was that if you could get this
to the Supreme Court in time for the votes that were scheduled to be tabulated
and registered until January 6th to be set aside, you had time to do something.
And this could have been done.
It wasn't a complicated case.
It could have been done.
And the belief was that if it got to the court, the court would act.
And it dodged the bullet.
I don't know if that story of John Roberts screaming in the dining room, this is not the year 2000, you know, there are mobs in the streets.
It's true or not, he might or might not have, but it didn't matter.
The Supreme Court basically, it took a look and it dodged.
And that was it.
That was absolutely, so I would say two things then.
There were two nails in our coffin.
Two final nails in the 2020 coffin.
First nail was Trump's inaction when hundreds of cities burned.
His inaction.
He sat down for whatever reason.
Whether it was Ivanka and Jared muttering words in his shoulder like a pair of ravens.
That's unfair to ravens.
That's unkind to ravens.
They're decent birds, basically.
Carrying eaters and the rest of that.
I don't know why he did.
He had no generals around him.
His generals had all left on bad terms.
He had people like Mike Pompeo with him, who's not exactly what you'd call a pillar of strength.
He had no one around him to give him good advice, and he couldn't reach out or wouldn't reach out, I don't know.
And then the Supreme Court's refusal to hear the Texas case, that was the second mail.
There's a third mail, a third filling there, and the third filling was in Congress and Mike Pompeo refusing to call for, you know, that these votes actually be certified properly.
And I'm sorry, Mike Pence.
I said Pompeo, I meant Pence.
But Pence also failed and, in my opinion, betrayed Donald Trump and betrayed the people of this country.
And so these are all serious, serious things, okay?
That's done.
That's in the past.
We can't undo it.
We have to live with that.
Since we have a Virtually a 20-30 split or 20-20 split with 10 undecideds in the middle there.
What do you see happening next?
Are we heading toward a breakup of the union?
Are we looking at a second civil war?
Are we looking at a government clamped down by the Democrats that's going to make the Bolshevik revolution look like child's play?
What are what are if we I think the point of a civil wars is passed at this right now.
Civil violence at some point.
People of our persuasion may finally have enough in some localities and say, that's it.
Time to take the modern equivalent of Brown Bess off the wall and go off and do things.
But they'll be doing it with the entire weight of federal law enforcement and the armed forces against them and stop with them.
Civil War would, if there was a Civil War, it would be like the Russian Civil War, not our Civil War, or perhaps like the French Civil War, the French Revolution.
There's no even split in the states like in 1861.
There's a center band of red states, you know, from Idaho across to the Dakotas and down southward and then you get into the southern states.
But that's too simplistic.
There are large urban areas that are mostly black majority cities that are Democrat strongholds in most red states.
And there are areas, rural areas, in every blue state, like eastern Washington State, eastern Oregon, eastern California, that have already expressed an interest, in the case of Washington State and Oregon, You're joining Idaho, which may become the giant state of the mountain region.
I mean, it's going to be so bad.
If it happens, it's going to be so very bad.
Yeah, the Russian Civil War, something like the Russian Civil War is close to it, and that was unbelievably horrible, but I don't think it's going to happen.
I think the time for something like that was also in 2020.
Now the one, the one caveat to that, and neither one, well, I'm, I was going to say neither one of us, and that's not true.
I know I am not in a position to know.
Um, is if there's discussions among the Republican governors, private discussions among the Republican governors about what to do, because most of their national guards would be loyal to them.
You know, would they, would they consider some specific action like unrestricted migration or an attempt to impose the next step of gun control or gun control legislation, which means confiscation and offer of like Australia and offer a buyback.
And then you go off and take the ones that haven't been sold back to the government.
Is there any discussion among them?
For a response, a combined response in that case, I have no idea.
I would be surprised if some of them weren't talking, at least to their neighbors.
But... No, I think the time has passed for that.
Too many people are too comfortable with what they have And they'll take a diminution in their standard of living rather than going off and die on the barricades.
Well, while this is going on domestically, the rest of the world is not remaining static.
China is making overtures toward the South China Sea.
They're making overtures to Taiwan to break the containment that the U.S.
has on them on the Pacific.
The U.S.
Department of State, the CIA, has been stirring up problems in Ukraine since at least 2003.
So Victoria Nuland and her antics over there.
So now you have Russia amassed on their border with Ukraine.
Also in Belarus, we've got some rather dynamic situations that are active today.
Israel is still, in Saudi Arabia, are continuing to wage their proxy war against Syria.
And you have Iran.
So I see a very unstable global situation to where the U.S., given the The weakening, the degradation of our military personnel and infrastructure is in a vulnerable position.
This is like the guy who won the prize fight 20 years ago, he's 40 pounds overweight now, thinks he's going to beat the up-and-comer.
And, you know, I'm sorry, but I look at the Russians and I admire the heck out of them.
Their aircraft are better.
Their discipline and their fighting forces is better.
They don't have this nonsense where trannies are coming in and getting free elective surgeries.
And that's another issue.
I'm going to go off the reservation here.
But I'm sorry, if you have XY chromosomes, I don't care if you mutilate yourself and cut your dick off and take all the hormones in the world, it doesn't change what your genetic composition is.
You're still a man who is mentally ill.
Male, male.
A male, yeah.
You're not a man.
You are a biological male.
No matter how you mutilate yourself chemically and surgically, it doesn't change a thing, bub.
So get used to it.
You're never going to be happy.
So why our military hasn't won a war since World War II?
That's even under discussion.
Did we really win?
So, you know, Korea was a stalemate.
Vietnam, I look at as a loss.
Afghanistan is still ongoing.
Iraq is still a bit of a quagmire, not as bad, but it's just not getting the precedent that it was getting before.
But the military is being told to stay in Afghanistan because the CIA wants them there, because that's a $3 trillion a year cash flow out of the opium profits.
They're still using the model that Ollie North, John Poindexter, and William Colby developed in the 70s of bringing drugs into the USA, selling them in order to fund their black operations.
In that case, it was It was a war in El Salvador.
In this case, it's everything else around the world.
I mean, we never had an opium crisis in this country until Afghanistan 20 years later.
So, these things disturb me.
And I look at the rest of the world, like you, I love this country, you know what I mean?
I've done extraordinary things to try to make this country a better place, you know, to try to make it a safer and better place, to no avail.
And the bad guys seem to be winning.
And I don't want them to win.
I want to find a way to stick a stick between the spokes of the wheel on their bike and have them go head over heels on it.
I want to find a way to unsettle these guys.
And it just hasn't occurred to me yet.
And I don't know what it is, but I certainly spend a lot of time thinking about it.
But the rest of the world is not static.
They're out there working, plotting, moving, doing everything they can do to stack the deck in their favor and to cut us off at the knees every chance they get.
And I am afraid that if there is another, and there will be another U.S.
military confrontation, I don't know with who or when, but I'm afraid that we're going to get our asses kicked militarily.
I think you're quite right.
If we fight an equal or near equal, and it would be one of two, it would be Russia or China, you know, at a relatively small level, which a lot of these smaller confrontations in the world could do, you know, a couple of battalions of American troops fight a couple of battalions of Russian or Chinese troops, or maybe Russian and Chinese troops, You know, a few aircraft involved, but it's sort of a border wars phenomenon, which used to be very common in 18th, 19th, and early 20th century European colonial wars on the frontiers.
None of the countries intended this to be one that would bring them to war, but it was just a way of adjusting frontiers that were going to get slaughtered.
I don't think there's any question whatsoever about it.
You know, it's, we have part been resting on our laurels.
In part, we've let our system become the test bed.
And then, you know, military system become the test bed for a lot of social experimentation that is utterly catastrophic.
One you mentioned about the trannies is just one of them.
Lots of countries, the Russians and the Chinese and the Vietnamese who, you know, beat us just simply by willing to die for longer than we were willing to take casualties to keep killing them.
Have a lot of, a lot of female units, a lot of women in uniform, higher percentage than we do in fact in their combat units, but they're in all-female battalions.
and all female brigades.
They don't try and mix them, they don't even make an attempt to do so.
And they adjust their use of them, their tactics involving them and male units to take advantage of the use of their female units in places and in areas where male units might require more logistics, more transport, great variety of things.
Uh, they aren't going to pick a direct fight with us.
We may pick one with them, but they aren't going to pick a direct fight with us.
What I think they intend to do is what they're doing very well is keep us stretched so thin.
In so many bases, these hundreds of bases that people talk about and say, look, American imperialism at work, and the Russians and the Chinese rub their hands and say, yes.
Their forces are a dozen there, 100 there, 200 there, 400 there.
They're scattered all over in bits and pieces, which is as close a prescription for disaster as you can ever want.
They're going to let us stretch ourselves thin, keep the pressure on us, and when an opportunity permits itself, give us a bloody nose.
And I think there's no question at all about that.
And we have done it to ourselves.
We have literally done it to ourselves.
And I am so happy that I have no children, at least none of which I'm aware.
There's always that little uncertainty.
Well, it's true, you know.
I absolutely know it's true.
This one has been utterly sullied, but there's always that little uncertainty of it.
I pity people of my age.
I'm 80 years old.
I pity people of my age who have grandchildren and great-grandchildren now.
And the world that they're bequeathing to them, although they don't know it, the grandchildren, I think, they don't know it because they've been getting this, this drivel, this cultural Marxist drivel down their throats, not just at college and university, but in primary and secondary education, courtesy of the Jewish dominated teachers unions for decades.
Why do you think you had a situation when, I just, I was appalled by this, you know, they had an obese black drag queen cavorting on the floor in front of a group of elementary school children while their parents, mothers and fathers, especially mothers, were applauding in the background.
Well, I think what we look at here is we've had an intelligence failure.
Uh on for a grand scale up here as well as Really, but you know, this goes back to the frankfurt school.
They came over here in the late 1920s early 1930s and started spreading their marxist doctrine and uh, it's gone unabated ever since then and um, you know here we wake up it's 2021 and We're stuck with this.
They they have a 90 year head start on us And you know rome wasn't built in a day and we're not gonna gonna undo this in a day either We're looking at really at a hundred year project to try to get this country back on some sort of a track where it can be functional if we're allowed to do that, if we're not overtaken.
I mean, you know, the Chinese would love to have the Midwest farmland and have the produce of Iowa and Kansas and Nebraska in order to feed the people they can't feed today.
And they will do whatever they have to do to take it if the opportunity presents itself.
And the way the U.S.
is today, that opportunity, I mean, that's three to five years out if they keep on this path.
And this frightens the heck out of me.
Because I don't want to have to go door-to-door fighting Chinese regulars in the streets of Arizona here.
I don't want to have to do it.
You know, I mean, I'll do what I need to do in order to repel the invaders, but I see it coming.
This open border down here is insanity.
It is insane.
Here in Mississippi, we see the Mississippi River as a defensible frontier, so I guess you folks are going to have a problem up there in the western states, but we think we can hold the Mississippi.
But actually, you're correct on this.
One reason that I think, and you've touched on it, that this has been going on for 90 years plus, one reason I think that the bad guys have won is because to eradicate it, to excise this cancer that has infected and infested our institutions, would require not just time, Would require someone with a bloodthirstiness of Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, and Stalin combined.
And I don't think they have, even they would have done this.
Think what we'd have to do.
We'd have to wipe out most of our academic classes, those teaching at schools and colleges and universities who have been propagating this cultural Marxism.
You can't just fire them and turn them loose on the streets and have a couple of million unemployed and unemployable teachers, former teachers and professors.
You'd have to do the same to the union organizers.
You would have to outlaw the Democrat party and get all of them out of Congress, all but a couple out of Congress and out of key offices at state level and many at urban levels.
You'd have to take over under direct federal control, all of the major cities now Democrat run and run them with an iron fist.
I don't think we could do it.
I wouldn't want to live in an America that didn't.
You know, really.
That would be one of those things where you become as bad or worse than your enemy in order to eradicate them.
Well, that is something I've said for a long time privately among friends, is that we're going to have to become worse monsters than they are in order to defeat them.
And either we knuckle under, I don't see it either.
I really don't.
I have sat down some nights and just stared off into space for a couple of hours at a time and tried to think of something else.
If there's a third option, please let me know, but I don't see it.
I don't see it either.
I really don't.
I just, I have, I have sat down some nights and just stared off into space for some couple
of hours at a time and tried to think of something else.
If this were, if this were the 1960s, you know, say the Kennedy years, there were Nixon-Kennedy
years or even the Reagan years.
There were still chances then.
But once you, once you got into the later Clinton years, I mean, Clinton was, was a
corrupt hedonist.
But he wasn't entirely stupid, and as you said, his idea, you're in the presidency, you want to get control of the government, you get rid of all of the other guys, U.S.
attorneys, and you put your own in place.
This is good politics, good hard-headed politics.
You know, you could have worked with him.
You might have had to have given Hillary a short ride on a short-distance plane somewhere into the Atlantic.
Bill in fact might have breathed a huge sigh of relief.
I imagine he sleeps in a separate bedroom which locks the door from the inside and has guards in there just in case.
But once you got to 2001, 9-11, Afghanistan and Iraq, from that point on it was done.
Well, this infiltration has been going on for a long time and they have infiltrated, as you have,
we both alluded to here, every institution has been corrupted.
The fact that CEOs of companies are coming out and arguing against voter laws that require voter ID.
This is, this is crazy.
And, you know, we're clearly not in control.
So we need to have a little honesty.
And people need to hear the truth about what the current reality we're living in is.
Because the facade, as thin as it is, is still there that this is a democratic republic and we're going to take the next election.
And it's total utter bullshit.
These are desperate times and they're going to require desperate measures.
Now I don't know what those measures are, but that's really what the current reality that we have.
Going today and it's not going to take much for that curtain to rip and we're going to see how terrible these people on the other side really are.
One thing that's there, the one hope that this again isn't an unrealistic one.
Because a lot of the forces that the left in general and the Democrats in particular have unleashed are not subject to precise control.
And that is that something may happen that they do not plan on, which precipitates a domestic Pearl Harbor, an internal one.
And so outrageous people that they that rational calculations of cost and benefit of forces for and forces against don't really matter.
You know, something like that.
Um, that's, it's not a good parallel, but that's what happened in the Hungarian revolution of 56.
It was just, it wasn't anything big.
It was something got out of hand and the Russians ended up, you know, crushing it.
They had the power to do it then, but they still had to fight.
Um, that's a possibility there is, um, there was a book I read in, and don't laugh please, that I
read a book, rather than moving up its cover,
in 1970 while I was waiting to start graduate school at the University of Michigan.
Then was still a good university and not a finishing school for the wokest or wokesters
or whatever they're called these days, I forget. And the book was called Eagle in the Snow.
By a fellow named Wallace Breen, B-R-E-E-M.
He was a Brit.
As a young man, he was one of the last British officers, a subaltern, you know, lieutenant, in the Indian Army before independence in India.
And he wrote several novels on that.
He's a very good historian, very good novelist, and a lawyer.
And Eagle in the Snow was the semi-apocryphal tale, semi-apocryphal, semi-historical tale of the last Roman legion to try and hold the Rhine frontier in 404-406 AD against a half million onrushing barbarians, one legion and a few auxiliaries against that.
And he and his cavalry commander, they finished their preparations, they see the fires of the barbarians filling the valleys across the Rhine, and the Rhine is freezing, and as soon as it freezes, the barbarians are going to cross the ice, and the legion will die.
And they know it.
And instead of trying to get away, they're gonna stand and fight.
And the general looks at his immediate commander, looks at his friend, his cavalry commander, and he says, this will cost them more than they realize.
We will not have lost altogether.
And that should be our maximum, to make them pay so much That whatever future they have planned for themselves and for the shell of America that remains under their control, they will collapse.
I would rather have our future, our future in the sense of this land, I'll be long dead, dictated from Moscow or Beijing Than I would from the headquarters of the DNC as it is now.
No, I appreciate the sentiment, but you brought up something a moment ago that really gave me a thought and insight.
And that is we look at the left as being a monolith and it is not.
So how do we exploit the divisions among them to make them fight among themselves before they cross the finish line?
How do we get them bickering?
The one thing I've noticed with doing financial transactions and deals, you know, the closer you get to the closing date, when everybody's going to get a paycheck, the more the fighting starts.
That's when the guys turn on each other.
That's when partnerships break up.
That's when corporations come apart.
That's when things really, really, really melt down, is that period of time right before you're getting ready to close.
And that is our window of opportunity to incite these people to tear each other apart so that we don't have to.
How do we, what are the levers that we can do to widen those divisions among them, to make Black Lives Matter turn on Antifa, and Antifa turn on the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party turn on, how do we exercise these opportunities, which will appear.
That isn't the fissure that you need to exploit.
As you were talking, it occurred to me that there is a fissure.
And I'm in Pennsylvania now.
Rather than Mississippi, I'm going to be having surgery appearance.
I've got friends in the Pennsylvania area.
It's a big union state.
Unionism, labor union, not only union, northern union, we'll pass that off as a Mississippian by adoption.
I prefer not to think of union states in that sense.
The union movement.
The only real unions that are hard left, that are aligned with Antifa, BLM, and the DNC, are the teachers' unions.
All the rest of the unions, with the exception of wanting a closed shop rather than an open shop, and pushing union economic policy rather than other economic policies, these are as conservative as you're going to find They really are.
The United Mine Workers, the United Auto Workers, many of these unions out there are very conservative, very patriotic.
Lots of people volunteer for the armed forces.
We, in the sense of those of us on our side of the political divide, need to define a strategy to separate off The bulk of the labor unions.
Don't waste time on the teachers unions.
We can't do them.
We can't touch them.
They're too hard left.
But on the rest of the labor unions.
Teamsters, UAW, UMW, the rest of them.
And break them off from the DNC.
Break them off.
That's the fissure between the labor unions and the rest of the Democrats.
That's the split.
And that's a powerful, powerful force.
Powerful force, not only within the Democrat Party, but powerful force within important states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, Michigan, you know, the Rust Belt states.
That's the place to look.
Separate that out from them, and it'll be the same as pushing that stick into the wheels of their bicycle and having to flip head over heels.
Well, that's a good point.
And with that, I have to brag on my grandfather a bit.
He was president of the United Steelworkers Union Local, where I grew up for 26 years.
And he's long dead.
And he was a leftist Democrat.
He was a Harry Truman Democrat.
He admired Harry Truman greatly and met with him on several occasions.
But these are stories from when I was a little kid.
But one thing that every patriotic American has to realize, and this is just me talking now, and that is, we have allowed our virtues to be weaponized against us, to wear our kind hearts, where we feel for the immigrants, where we feel for the black, where we feel for the oppressed.
We've allowed these things to be weaponized and used against us to where it's destroying our country, it's destroying our families, it's destroying our way of life.
And it's time to fight back and harden your heart a little bit.
In fact, you may have to harden your heart a whole lot because I think we've got some really dark days ahead of us.
Yeah, very much, very much so.
There's a. There's a lot of old Marines of my generation and the one one or two after us would be more than willing to do it.
I think, though, that we have to be realistic about it and and understand that.
If you have.
A four-star general, and in fact all of the Chiefs of Staff, all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, essentially sharing the same views.
You've got about 40, the last 40 years of the military has to be written off.
Not that there aren't good people in it, there are.
I've known several of them in their 20s and 30s, as good as anyone Of that age, when I was in my 20s and 30s, you know, in the, in the service, you know, so you have that, but it's at the command levels, command levels, and they, these are the ones who have been promoted.
And it's, it's a self selection process.
Who do you promote?
You promote those who share your values.
And that's what's happened. So the higher the rank, the higher the rank, the less support you'd have there.
But yeah, that's what's worth doing.
Well, I've always been of the opinion that the people who get promoted to general since Reagan,
you know, since George W. Bush, have all been the second tier.
They've not been the best, they've not been the brightest, they've not been the most patriotic.
And they've been the sycophants, the guys who go along to get along, the guys who do anything for a promotion.
I've been of the opinion that we need to decapitate our entire military command structure, everybody who's in 07 or above needs to go.
And we need to go back and look at the 06s who got passed over and give them a second look and say, why did you get passed over?
Because I'm of the opinion that the real strength in our military is with the colonels and the NCOs.
And with those guys, we can make a go of it.
If we could throw off the The flag level command structure.
But there's a reason that a number of countries, Poland before World War II and Poland in the
1930s, Greece afterwards, a number of others, they had a coup by the colonels.
Like I said, that is where the strength of the military resides.
You know, your direct reports when you're at colonel level, or your majors, your lieutenant colonels, captains, all those guys, those are the guys who command the troops.
And then the NCOs who implement and get the enlisted to actually pick up the rifle and go do the job.
And it's not the generals.
They're focused on other things.
But it is the colonels who get it done.
And so that is where I think our hope lies.
If we have any hope at all, that is where it lies.
Well, let's hope that we do.
It'll be worth trying.
So we've got two things here going now.
So we've got, we have two things to examine strategically.
One of them is how do we create the split with the unions away from the Democrat Party?
And how do we get our colonels to do what needs to be done to uphold the Constitution?
Those are the two issues, and those are tall orders.
They are, they are.
Mike, damn you, you've given me a reason to stay alive now.
What's going to happen?
Well, good.
I would admire of your work.
I think you are brilliant.
You have great insights.
You're not afraid to speak the truth as you see it, even if it's not what anybody wants to hear.
But, you know, the first step to correcting a problem is to identify it properly.
And I think that is what you have done today, is you have identified the problems that are facing this country, both domestically, especially domestically, and from a foreign aspect.
Yeah, we can go into foreign aspect more, but I want to keep this kind of brief.
I don't want to go on for hours and hours, but I think that there are a couple of Leverage points out there that will be high leverage points.
I think we've identified two of them today.
If we keep looking, I think we'll find more.
And that is what real patriots need to do.
Strategic thinkers need to start looking at high leverage interventions that can be taken to save this ship that we call the United States of America, the Constitutional Republic.
I do not want to live in a The Fallen American Empire, after the barbarians have taken over and looted the city.
And living in the People's Democratic Republic of America doesn't really appeal to me either.
Yep.
Well, Alan, I want to thank you very much for making the time to do this.
As difficult it was to finally get your schedule, this was a very worthwhile conversation.
Mike, thank you very much.
It was a pleasure.
And my compliments to Brett.
Thank you very much, Brett.
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