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Massive Cult Behavior, Cannot Take in Facts - Sarah Westall w Andrew Kaufman
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Well, what we essentially have here is a context overall of fear.
And there are many bogeymen to be afraid of or that people are afraid of.
And in that Background context, we have the effects of major, major stressors.
And I'm talking about, essentially, that our way of life, our culture, is being changed.
Dramatically, drastically, and suddenly.
There is a major psychological reason, and one way you could think about this is really like someone is a member of a cult.
And, you know, because if you try to present rational information or facts to someone in a cult brainwashed state, they're completely incapable of taking it in.
There are many parallels to the current situation and the beginning of Nazi Germany.
And, you know, I don't use that analogy lightly, but actually there have been survivors like Vera Sharov who have talked about the parallels.
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Welcome to Business Game Changers.
I'm Sarah Westall.
I have Dr. Andy Kaufman come to the program and he's actually a psychologist.
That's his background and training.
And we're going to talk about the craziness that we're seeing and how fundamentally impacting it is to everyone and especially the young ones.
And we're going to talk about how the parallels between Nazi Germany.
We're going to talk about Just the craziness that's going on.
It's a very good conversation.
It's long overdue for this to come into the mainstream and the public awareness, but we talk about why it's not there and how they have this mental block.
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Anyways, let's get into this half interview, half conversation with Dr. Andy Kaufman.
Hi, Andy.
Welcome to the program.
Well, thank you for having me, Sarah.
Well, you know, you reached out or a friend of mine, a mutual friend of ours, reached out and said, you know, I should really talk to you.
And, you know, with your background in psychology and the fact that we are seeing so much suffering right now with the mandates that they put on because of COVID and what the true costs are That people are failing to acknowledge.
And I wanted to talk to you, I think it's such an important topic because nobody's really talking about it.
What are your views of what, at a big picture, what really is going on psychologically due to all these mandates that are just so oppressive?
Well, what we essentially have here is a context overall of fear.
And there are many bogeymen to be afraid of or that people are afraid of.
And in that background context, we have the effects of major, major stressors.
And I'm talking about essentially that our way of life, our culture is being changed dramatically, drastically and suddenly in many ways.
And of course, There's the two parts of that.
There's the actual shock of the transition, and then there's the elements of the new culture that have put upon us that are causing not only distress in many forms, but really affecting the
development of our next generation.
Yes, and let me ask you, the next generation seems like they're suffering the most, although all of us know
people who have committed suicide who are older as well. In fact, one of my partners,
Tetragen, one of the products that I helped them expose their product, a great product, one of
the partners committed suicide. It's very sad.
So we've all known somebody close, but I don't think it's hitting
anybody worse than the young people.
And, you know, they're being kept out of school and their lives are changed.
How much is it, you know, being younger and having your whole life uprooted like that, how does it impact them more than the older generation?
Well, you know, children are distinct because they are learning and developing all the, you know, different ways that they would to become adults, like, you know, social behaviors and socialization, language development, you know, all kinds of other learning that goes on.
So, since certain of these developmental or learning processes are affected by the policies and the tyranny, it's It's more harmful to the children.
I can give you an example.
And this relates, you know, this is just one way that the masks affect development.
But it turns out that in the research literature of how children learn language, that in addition to hearing the speech from someone they're talking to, they also look at the mouth for visual cues.
And they use this in a variety of ways, sometimes to resolve different sounds that may sound very similar to the ear, or to getting to know new people that have unfamiliar speech patterns.
So, if this ability is disrupted during the developmental stages, then there could be a permanent impairment in language development and communication that, you know, goes down the road.
But also just the cultural and social differences are enormous for children.
I mean, they don't have the opportunity right now to develop peer relationships, intimacy.
I mean, think about the teenagers that can't really have, you know, romantic pursuits.
Um, and go through that learning, because, you know, that's what leads to courtship and marriage, uh, in, you know, several years after that, that produces the next generation.
So we could see, like, profound effects on, you know, the future populations and on the, on the future generation as a result of these policies.
I've only discussed the tip of the iceberg.
Now are you thinking that it could reduce the population just because they would not be doing a normal reproduction process?
Or do you think it'll just be they will be stunted in their development?
Well, I think both.
I think we've actually already had a change in the future population because, you know, during the period of last spring and subsequently, there have been all these barriers to socialization.
Like, if you're a single person, you know, how are you going to find a mate in this kind of environment where people are actually afraid of each other?
And even, you know, the health authorities in some countries even tried to pass laws, I believe, to limit or guide sexual relations into, you know, kind of unnatural ways.
Just crazy.
Right?
Like even we had the health department in Canada, you know, promoting glory holes, you know, which is a way that anonymous sex takes place.
So, you know, making it impersonal.
That's just incredible.
Absolutely.
So, you know, I think if we were to look at the birth rate, we would already see a major decline from the past year.
And of course, this is going to continue because the policies continue and it certainly is going to have a big effect on young people who are growing up.
Well, before this all happened, I already knew based on all my research, and I taught at the University of Minnesota for five years, and I got to interact with a lot of the young people there.
And I saw that there was, just personally, I saw the anxiety level, the stress level, their reaction to their environment was significantly different than when we were in college.
And I was actually very shocked.
And, you know, there's a whole backstory to it, but I learned That the truth of the stress levels being way off the charts.
I mean, they have something almost 50% of these kids stress and anxiety has been a problem.
Whereas ours were maybe like 5% back in the day.
And even the current based on the stats that I was reading.
So it was already turning into an epidemic.
Now you put this on top.
How serious is this for these kids?
I mean, I'm pretty worried that this generation has an underlying health illness, sickness, that could lead to all sorts of problems, including the suicide levels that we're starting to see skyrocket.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, think about what it would be like being a young person, you know, in college about to embark upon your independence and your, you know, start off your life as an adult.
And then think about, you know, what's the status of things right now?
You know, there's practically no opportunities.
Available, you know, in many, many ways socially, economically, etc.
You can't even go on travel adventures, you know, like Europeans at that age, they take a year and travel around the world, right?
There's no opportunity for these things.
So it's got to be tremendously depressing.
And, you know, we know from, for example, there's a survey research from The CDC that took place last June that showed markedly increased suicidal thinking in that age group of I believe it was 15 to 25 year olds.
And then we see just earlier this month, a new study was published in the journal, the American Medical Association psychiatry journal, where they found substantially, they looked at the number of emergency departments visits for mental health Before and after the pandemic, and they found a substantial rise in visits for mental health, especially, by the way, overdoses with opioids.
And so, you know, a number of those, of course, could be suicides, and it can be very difficult to tell, but the official suicide numbers for the United States won't be available for some time to come, so we rely on these You know, other data points, but clearly there's a market rise.
I mean, the opioid overdose emergency department's visits was up by as much as 45%.
So, and we already know that that was a very significant problems.
So, you know, this is potentially devastating across the board to the population.
And it's not that this is not predictable because prior to this, there's a wealth of research showing that just looking at economic trends.
So, for example, when you have a financial depression like, you know, like we've experienced before, and as well as when you have a drop in the employment rate, there are fairly predictable death tolls as a result of those, you know, financial constraints.
So, you know, when they made the decision to enact the policies to essentially shut down you know, commerce for all but the biggest corporations.
So all the small guys around the world, they basically guaranteed these outcomes.
And they, you know, they must have had policy advisors aware of this because it's not, you know,
it's not an obscure information.
They knew it.
We did shows back in late, late spring last year, and I did it all the way through early summer
about the death tolls that were gonna happen from this and how many more millions, you know,
a hundred million more children worldwide that were gonna die because of starvation.
And I've had cardiac surgeons on talking about the additional heart attacks.
I mean, it pales, you know, COVID, their COVID numbers, and let's pretend all that's real.
That pales in comparison.
To the reality of what their mandates are doing.
And we did talk about suicides, but not because we didn't have the actual numbers.
We just knew it was going to be a problem.
But now we're seeing how much of an avalanche of a problem.
In my area, I'm starting to see commercials telling people to wear two masks.
This just started this week, and they're serious about it.
And I couldn't be more livid about these idiots doing it.
And idiots is a kind word, because if you are so arrogant and ignorant, where you don't hear the stats that we have just been talking about, and you still want to march down this road, then there's something wrong with you.
That's what I believe, and I think it's a fact that there's something wrong with you when you hear the other information.
What are your thoughts with why, what is the psychology of these people that they would keep marching down?
I know there's ignorance and people who just are naive and cheap and believe it, but for the people who are afraid to, you know, they're smart.
I mean, we have smart people who are following this and I don't, I have a hard time believing that they're all part of this satanic, cabal, depopulation people.
I mean, not all of them are in that group.
So what is wrong with these people from a psychology perspective?
Yeah, Sarah, I mean, this is really kind of like the million-dollar question in a way, because, you know, it's so difficult to understand for us, because we've had to have conversations with people, you know, just presenting rational, factual information.
Because, as you pointed out, you know, even though I talk about some controversial scientific material about viruses, but even if you don't look into that, and you just look at some of these obvious contradictions about what's going on, Like that, you know, there are plenty of studies showing the harm from lockdown policies, for example, and there are plenty of studies showing masks are not capable of preventing disease.
So, you know, why are the policies the opposite of these things?
And that should be enough to say something else is going on, right?
And then you can do more research and figure out the details.
But people are unable to question it, right?
And it's perplexing why, because you say that there's so much information available, and in a sense, it's really obvious that there's something else going on here.
But There is a major psychological reasons, and one way you could think about this is really like someone is a member of a cult.
And, you know, because if you try to present rational information or facts to someone in a cult brainwashed state, they're completely incapable of taking it in, right?
And it doesn't matter what proof that you put in front of them, they still believe in the cult dictates.
And so we have a situation like that where most people are in that kind of frame of mind.
And I think that this is something that is systematically done from a very young age and some of the people that were involved in.
Setting up or discovering the tools to kind of mass manipulation like this, where people like Edward Bernays, known as the father of public relations, and he was influenced and actually related to Sigmund Freud.
So we have a lot of these kind of big players who have put out some of these ideas.
And, you know, a lot of it has to do with this big philosophical shift and into what might be called communitarianism, collectivism, or even communism.
And it has to do with being a part of a group, a collective, where that collective can increase your strength, strength in numbers.
And there is this, you know, growing collective of people who believe in viruses and pandemics and have safety as the leading concern and that there needs to be And this is basically, you know, when we are very young, we are exposed to germ theory and viruses making us sick.
And, you know, ever since we sneeze and cough and we're told to cover our mouth.
So, it's ingrained and repeated throughout our lifetime.
And then, in the compulsory schooling system, We're really taught to accept their version of the truth and regurgitate it for the most part, not to think critically or look at alternative viewpoints.
And then we're taught to accept the information from designated authority figures.
Right, like the science teacher, the doctor, the public health commissioner, you know, the newscaster or the, you know, people like that in official positions.
And, you know, and we take in that information without questioning it.
And so people are in that mode.
And then in the beginning of this pandemic, you have this major shock.
Right.
The whole world is shutting down because something is so dangerous, it's a threat to our collective existence.
And you had the predictions of millions dead.
Well, it was shocking what was going on in China because it was like, why would somebody shut down their whole economy?
And then later we did, but it was just like absurd that somebody would do that.
And the numbers coming out of there was shocking.
That's right.
And they were saying, you know, they were predicting millions of dead.
Yeah.
Right.
And those were not real numbers.
They were just computer models, but that's what they told us was going to happen that we needed to avoid.
So basically everyone in that fear just yielded to the experts and authority figures and was sort of paralyzed to take in any other information.
And, you know, when you go into that fear survival mode, You basically have tunnel vision, right?
And this happens literally with your vision, but also with your ability to consider other information or other viewpoints.
It's like you're stuck on an immediate safety threat or a survival threat.
Don't you think it was fair at first that we said, okay, let's take a second here, figure out what the hell was going on.
But now we're in a different mode here, okay?
And they still are cramming down.
So now the psychology of everybody going, well, wait a minute, we got to figure out this is really scary.
To now, well, this isn't that, you guys are full of crap.
You know, I mean, and there's so much more information and there's all this stuff.
So I think you're a cult thing.
I mean, obviously we're being propagated propaganda and bullshit.
Because I don't have a good technical word.
And it's that cult thing.
But they're turning it around and trying to say, we're the cult members because we're trying to have critical thinking and actually look at data and actually question things.
I want to see the facts before you're going to cause all this other damage.
But it is like they're in a cult brainwashed state.
I mean, I think that's what we're dealing with.
Right.
Well, there are two things here.
So one is, you know, you talked about kind of the response from the mainstream media or official authorities to like the information that we might present, which, you know, everything I put out there is just analysis of scientific data and papers.
All right, I don't pontificate or make things up.
It's my opinion of those things.
So, it would be totally reasonable to have a scientific debate, but when the media covers, you know, the material that we put out there, they use other ways of attacking it, because they know that they would have a really hard time with the science, because the science actually, you know, shows the truth.
So they try to insult or discredit, you know, calling you a conspiracy theorist or an anti-vaxxer or, you know, or a Q person or a Trumper or whatever, you know, any label that is unfavorable to the, to, in the mainstream viewpoint or to a significant, you know, plurality of people.
And I don't mean to talk bad about any particular leaders, but you know that the media vilifies certain characters, and they would associate you, you know, with those people, but because they can't actually get into a scientific debate, because if the public found out about that, they would realize that they're being manipulated on false conclusions.
Well, they used to have truthers, and I think they dropped that because it was too ridiculous.
People were like, well, you're making fun of us because we want the truth.
So I think they dropped that label.
I don't hear that label as much as I used to, but they used to laugh at people and call them truthers.
And then I don't hear that anymore because I think they kind of, they figured we better come up with some better ones than truthers.
I like to be called a truther.
That would be a compliment.
I mean, that really is.
Go ahead.
You know, one of my, I'll mention Neil Kramer here, who's been one of my spiritual mentors, and you know, he says, pursuit of the truth is your spiritual journey.
And that's kind of how I look at this, because if you really can get as close as possible and keep pursuing, uncovering the ultimate truth of our reality, then you'll be able to understand what's happening, and then you'll be able to make good decisions about how do you respond.
I want to say one more thing.
Go ahead.
Well, just about the cult aspect, because the mask, I think, is because masks are used in initiation rituals.
And this has been written about, and that includes in cult groups and other groups.
And the reason is because it blocks your identity.
It kind of de-identifies you.
And when you identify and isolate yourself from other groups, then you can emerge taking on a new identity as part of this, in some cases, a cult.
And so I think that there is part of the psychology of that re-identifying yourself is occurring now because they want us to be compliant with a surveillance state.
And that requires a different way of seeing things, right?
Because we're used to privacy and individual autonomy.
So we have to be remade to accept this, you know, new type of society.
I could see that.
I think they're doing so many traumatic things to people that it's remaking the psychosis of people's reality and the way they see themselves.
And you know, that's why I refuse to wear a mask.
But in my area, It's a CMS.
I mean, literally, I've seen maybe three people the whole time not wear a mask once they made it mandatory.
And so I came up with all these masks that have sayings on it, like, this mask is as worthless as my governor, or this mask is...
Doesn't stop COVID-19 and neither does yours.
Those kinds of things, because at least that's a billboard that says to the sea of people, because when you see a sea of people like that, you think everybody, you know, the invasion of the body snatchers, you think everybody's part of that.
And when you get a billboard out there, it tells people, no, I'm here for you.
I think it'll help a little bit with the suicide and relief that there's other people out there that think this way.
If you're in those kind of areas.
Because with me not wearing a mask, I think it says I have a medical condition more than it says I am somebody who's bucking the system.
Although I do have anxiety when I wear it.
So for me, it's real, but it's kind of convenient real because I, you know, I probably would be wearing one if I didn't have my issue.
And I'm glad I kind of have my issue because then I can be strong for others.
But I think the Because everyone's wearing it.
And unless you're in a different state, the state that I'm in, and it is so draining, emotionally draining for people to see that because they feel that everybody has succumbed to this oppression.
Yeah.
Well, Sarah, I live also in an area where there's, you know, almost 100% compliance.
And I just want to, you know, clarify that it's actually not mandate because governors have no authority to mandate anything over the people.
Right.
And I know that's splitting hairs because it's it's often enforced or, you know, treated as if it were, you know, the letter of the law.
And it is very difficult to, you know, go amongst a sea of masked people.
I mean, you know, sometimes I feel like people are going to pull out scalpels and want to do surgery.
You know, it's really, it's not, it's not pleasant.
I mean, all eyes are on me because I never wear a mask or even a protest mask.
But what I do experience, which was kind of surprising to me, is that many times, because, you know, think about if you work in a place like that, right?
And all you see are blank faces all day.
Eyes staring at you, you don't know if they're making fun of you, if they're happy, if they're pissed off, right?
All you hear is muffled voices.
And then a smiling, healthy person.
I think people, you know, wouldn't assume that I have a health condition, seeing me walk around.
And they often want to talk to me.
Like they, I'm in a rush and then I'm like, you know, they're just chatting me up.
And I think it's because they're like, finally a smiling person, I can You know, this kind of thing.
And so you can have sometimes quite surprising effects, but it does, you know, take a toll on you.
And I often, you know, I avoid going out.
That's my problem.
I have to confess.
Yeah.
But the things that, you know, that I used to enjoy doing, I can't, they're not available or not in the same way, you know, and I'm not going to be oppressed while I'm trying to enjoy myself.
That's exactly right.
And it's becoming worse.
But, you know, we were talking about the young kids.
And I want to say that I got a thread from some of my listeners that said, Sarah, you've got to read this thread.
It was from my state.
And it was a group of parents in a well-to-do area that were talking to a senator about their children.
And that they, you know, and this person was saying that they always thought that
the well-to-do people didn't have problems, but oh my god, these people are like everybody else. They're
just really struggling and the kids are really suffering. And
before the pandemic, they were happy, seemed well-adjusted kids. Now
they all have children that are withdrawn, the suicidal.
They had a daughter, one of the girls came on and talked about and started crying halfway through her talk about how she's, you know, all of her thoughts of suicide.
And some dads talked and they broke up, you know, crying halfway through.
And people were saying, you know, just how hard it's been on their children.
And then the senator, who was supposed to be representing them, Came in and it was like she was just clueless as to what they were saying.
And yeah, we're just trying to keep people safe.
And you know, we'll keep looking at this and didn't acknowledge and didn't.
It was like there's this black hole of zombie misunderstanding.
This person didn't.
I wasn't able to understand how serious this situation is and that they still want to push these mandates and just tell people this is where we're going.
And the people were just so polite and say, well, thank you for listening and all this other crap.
I would have been one of those people they'd all want kicked out of the forum and would have told them what I thought.
These people are just so polite.
They don't want to not be a good member of society.
But as part of not being a good member of society, their children are suffering.
Well, you know, are the politicians are the ones that enacted all these policies that have caused the suffering?
And I don't think appealing to them to solve the problem really makes sense at this point, because they've demonstrated that they don't really concern with really the interests of the people.
You know, they represent us only, you know, theoretically, but not in actuality, and they've forgotten their oath to preserve the Constitution.
So I think we have to take things into our own hands as much as possible and live the way that, you know, with exercising the rights given to us by nature or God, depending on how you look upon it.
And, you know, that includes taking care of our children and meeting their needs.
You know, I've switched to homeschooling this year.
And, you know, that by itself is, first of all, it's a challenge because it takes a time commitment.
And not everyone is able to do it very easily.
But also, it's like, I want to provide the socialization.
And, you know, it's so difficult.
The kids right now, they just, they need each other.
They're isolated.
They're, you know, in an area where I'm at, you know, almost all the kids are not allowed to play with my kids.
You know, I mean, we had a few families over for a birthday celebration and like everybody was talking about that there were practically no birthday celebrations.
I mean, imagine going, you know, a year or two years, no party, like people try to have these ridiculous drive-by things where, you know, somebody drives by in a car, but you can't actually spend the time with them.
You can't give them a hug.
You know, I mean, you can't sing happy birthday and have cake together.
It's like all these things are, so it's no wonder that children, of course, they're going to get depressed because social isolation is one of the things that, and not just leading to depression, but to all sorts of illness, you know, including physical illness.
It breaks down, you know, our ability to be vulnerable.
So, one of the important things about being a parent is to be stronger, be strong enough to protect your children.
And that means that if they're in a harmful situation, we have to do things that takes that harm away.
And, you know, I'm lucky enough that my youngest is a sophomore in college, and we knew not to put her You know, she wasn't going to be in the dorm.
She has a nice network of friends and thank God it hasn't really affected her that much.
It has.
Her whole college experience is not what it should be, right?
But she's having a different experience and she's having friends and things and that's good.
But my thing is that with this vaccine, that there is very big questions on what it will do to women of childbearing age with their placenta and whether it will harm their reproductive abilities.
That's what the some of the studies are showing.
And until they get that worked out and until they can prove all these things, I don't want my kids anywhere near that, especially my daughter, who I would really like to see have grandchildren someday.
And so my thing is, I won't pay for her college.
She knows that.
She knows I'm doing this just because I love her.
And if they are going to force her to get a vaccine in order to go to school, I mean, for God's sake, these kids are not dying from COVID, especially the really healthy ones.
And so my part of that is I will do whatever I can to get her through college and pay for it.
But I am not going to let her get a vaccine.
And my son knows the same thing.
I will do anything for my I think I would have pulled them out by now, just like you did, and do homeschooling.
And if it is such a situation where I couldn't get them the interactions they need, I'd freaking move out of the state in a heartbeat for my children.
I just think it's important people have the courage to do what's right for their children.
Yeah, I totally agree, Sarah.
I mean, whatever it takes to protect your family in the future.
I mean, that's really the main motivation I have for putting myself out there.
you know, is to try and do whatever I can to influence things for their benefit.
And, you know, it's really, really important that you say no, not just to the, you know,
whatever this vaccine may be, but also to the testing, because the testing,
and it's required in many school districts, that's what's actually driving the policies.
If people simply refuse the testing, there'd be no more cases.
And then they wouldn't have anything to report on.
So, almost all the cases.
You know, I mean, we can get into details, but almost all the cases are people who are healthy and are just being tested in large numbers.
It's so stupid.
It's because they faked it.
I mean, the tests aren't even real because the cycle is so high and all the other bullshit.
But everything is fabricated about this pandemic.
So, you know, the CDC numbers were too.
I mean, I actually read all the CDC numbers.
And I'm like, well, the deaths aren't even significantly different than the year before.
This was last April.
And then I got the numbers in June.
And after 100% reporting, I did a documentary on this.
After 100% reporting, they backfilled all the numbers to make it have a significant difference.
Like, you already had 100% reporting, and then they didn't even say that they changed it.
They just changed it, with no record of changing it, other than people like me downloading their original numbers.
Like, you guys, I don't trust anything from these.
After I saw that, I mean, that should be illegal, as far as I'm concerned.
And then you see the people getting sent into nursing homes, and all these people in nursing homes dying, and all this.
I mean, I don't even know.
How does anybody trust these guys?
But my point is, I just think having the courage to take care of your children is the most important thing.
And I think that is what people are afraid of.
And how do you psychologically get into a standpoint where You can be so into a cult that you allow your own offspring to be damaged because you can't analyze the information in a realist... I mean, you just can't see through the BS because you're so brainwashed and your own children are damaged.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And you know, we, I've seen this in, you know, in my personal life, in the last year, and then, you know, we can see this historically, right?
I mean, there are many parallels to the current situation and The beginning of Nazi Germany.
And you know, I don't use that analogy lightly, but actually there have been survivors like Vera Sharov who have talked about the parallels.
And one of the things that they did early on was that they started experimenting on children who were disabled.
Intellectually disabled and physically disabled.
And the families actually surrendered these children to the medical facilities and the doctors, you know, control over their fate.
And this was in the context of the, you know, the state saying that, you know, that they're useless eaters or we can learn and this kind of You know, that it's for the greater good of the community.
And many of those children were, almost all of them, were experimented upon without their consent and killed.
Ultimately, right?
So there's an example of, you know, families doing harm to their own children because of, you know, being convinced by some kind of brainwashing or public relations campaign or, you know, involving fear that that is the right thing to do.
So there's lots of precedents and there's lots of other historical examples for that.
But of course, it's so disturbing to see this and to see people doing it without even realizing what they're doing.
Well, what do you think people should do?
You know, I always try to at least give people some messages of hope and actual action items that they can do to protect themselves and maybe help others, because there's a lot of people out there not knowing what to do.
They see problems, they know something's wrong, and they might need a little courage or they might need some help and direction on what they should do to protect themselves and to protect their families.
Right, well, I think, you know, the most important thing is to have knowledge and understanding, because that is the key to making the right decision for you and your family.
There are many ways to address these things, but, you know, think about becoming more independent.
Because the more you rely upon yourself and not others and not systems of control in our society like public education and health care and government in general, then you'll be much less influenced by these things.
So think about how you can, you know, become more independent, how you can learn more so that you can make better decisions.
Of course, I would certainly say to turn off the mainstream television news sources and find Better places where you can get more objective, you know, information.
And always be skeptical, even of, you know, be skeptical of what I'm saying.
Like, definitely look into these sources yourself and consider what I say, but don't take it as fact or the absolute truth.
Like, make your own opinion about things.
And also realize that we have much, much more power than we give ourselves credit for.
You know, we are like individual men and women, you know, created in this, uh, like miraculous earth and planet, uh, with, you know, beautiful nature and complexity and, uh, just incredible things to see and experience.
And we're endowed with all of that energy and power, and we can make these choices and collectively we can overcome any situation because the people in power who are oppressing us in these ways are few in number.
And they're meager, they're cowardly, actually.
That's why they have to try to scare us with something fake, because they don't have any real ability to intimidate us.
And so, you know, you can exert your own power and authority by not going along with these requirements and making your own decisions.
And I've done this since the beginning, and for the most part, It has not caused me any harm.
It's worked out really well.
It's brought me together with many other people.
It's made me have interactions that were surprising.
It has taught me how to stay calm when people are upset with me, which is a very useful thing to develop, right?
Yes, yes, that's very useful.
So if you look at these things in that perspective, you can see that you can actually empower yourself.
And then you start to see an optimistic view for the future.
And if we can all embrace that and move towards it, then we will achieve that.
Well, thank you so much for joining me today.
I really appreciate this.
I think it really gives people a different perspective and maybe some strength, some courage to do what they already know what's right.
I think they know, especially when it comes to your children and to your elderly, your parents or your grandparents.
These people need to be protected too, especially with this guardianship problem that I've covered.
They really need some protection as well.
Is there any way people can get hold of you?
Do you have a book that, you know, latest book that you've out or any way that people can read and hear more about you?
Yeah, well, definitely.
I think the best place is to go to my website, which is Andrew Kauffman.
That's K-A-U-F-F-A-N.
Like medical doctor dot com.
And definitely sign up for my newsletter.
I sell a wonderful trace mineral supplement there.
And then I have links to many of my videos.
And I have, of course, channels on YouTube and Odyssey and live predominantly.
You can find me all those places.
Excellent.
All the places that don't censor because you actually are still up on YouTube.
Well, you know, I have some things archived there, but I'm just really doing an announcement of new videos and then redirecting people to censorship-free platforms.
I was going to say, there's no way you would stay there with some of the stuff that you've talked about in the past.
I'm like, how are you up there?
Just keep going.
I know, I've been heavily censored, shadow banned and everything else on YouTube, but it's still, you know, the place where so many people go.
So as a way, I mean, it's like a bulletin board now where I can't, I won't say anything controversial there and put my real material, but you know, until everybody gets used to the new platforms, you know, I think that that's the way I'll do things.
I understand.
So that is so good, though.
I have other people I know.
Dave Hodges does the same thing.
He's very vanilla.
And then he has a big following.
He doesn't want to lose that.
And then he does everything elsewhere because, you know, I wasn't smart enough to do that.
I was like, I'm going to make sure people get the information.
Well.
I don't know.
I still have a pretty big following outside of YouTube, and people are moving, so that is the best thing.
As people are learning, they have to move.
So that's good.
But thank you so much for coming on the program today.
I'm glad that I finally got an opportunity to interview you and meet you, and I thought this is a really important discussion that we have, and I hope that Everybody starts having these discussions and we can start breaking down this cult brainwashing because there's too many little ones and people who are at risk.
I mean, just period.
Yeah, I fully agree, Sarah.
Okay, well thank you so much.
Have a great week.
You too.
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