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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, where I'm very pleased to be joined today by someone who will be familiar to many fans of Revolution Radio.
Mike Gaddy will be commenting on what's been going on here.
To begin with, Trump is reported to be furious with his legal team's first appearance.
I must admit, I was fairly dumbfounded after The Democrats had basically teed it up with all of this massive footage that was professionally edited, about 13 minutes, all of which exemplified the common fallacy of begging the question by taking for granted this central issue under consideration, namely whether any of these people had anything to do with or were inspired by Donald Trump.
Where we have massive evidence that that's not the case, that this was an orchestrated event, that the FBI and the New York Times have been reporting about it, where Trump had offered to provide assistance, where the head of Capitol Police had requested assistance a half a dozen times with no effect whatsoever, where Nancy Pelosi runs the Capitol Police, And where we even have a Michigan State Senator believing that Mitch McConnell was involved, which frankly wouldn't surprise me.
Listen to parts of this report.
Multiple people telling me Trump was basically screaming as Castor made a meandering opening argument that struggled to get at the heart of the defense team position.
For about 45 minutes, Castor delivered a rambling open speech.
Sources say Trump is not happy, as well he ought not to be.
In fact, we have the oddity that the guy was even claiming that Trump had lost the election fair and square.
How stunning is that?
Meanwhile, Alan Dershowitz quoted as saying, there is no argument.
I have no idea what he's doing.
Talking about Trump's defense lawyer, Bruce Castor, talking nice to U.S.
senators.
I would have thought that it would have been perfect for them simply to play the president's speech at the Ellipse.
It would have been the perfect opportunity.
You just say, when you come up, well, let's take a look at what the man had to say.
You play the whole speech.
He's reviewing a lot of the evidence of the theft of the election.
And then when it's done, you say, how can anyone possibly think That that speech was in any way related to these incidents at the Capitol.
I mean, it's a stunning leap of logic.
And then they could proceed to explain that not even the timeline justifies the inference, because these events were already taking place at the Capitol before the president had concluded speaking at 1-11, where the Capitol Police We're already in trouble as early as 1240, 1245, calling for reinforcements without success, where it appears the intrusion had already taken place before Trump supporters were even on the scene.
I'm wondering now who this fellow caster really was who recommended him.
We all know Trump.
Changed his legal team shortly before, about two weeks before, but still it shouldn't have been such a difficult challenge.
Dershowitz, this piece continues, wasn't the only one unimpressed.
A prominent member of Trump's own party was not the least bit impressed with what he saw from Trump team on Tuesday.
Republican Texas Senator John Cornyn reportedly said, I've seen a lot of lawyers and a lot of arguments, and that was not one of the finest I've ever seen.
Another Republican, perhaps the biggest surprise among the GOP senators who voted for a trial, was Bill Cassidy of Louisiana.
Cassidy said, Trump's team was disorganized.
They did everything they could but to talk about the question at hand.
And when he talked about that, they kind of glided over it almost as if they were embarrassed by their arguments.
He added, now, if I'm an impartial juror and one side is doing a great job and the other a terrible job on the issue at hand as an impartial juror, I'm going to vote for the side that did the good job.
Mike.
Join me.
What were your thoughts about the first day of this impeachment hearing?
Well, Jim, thanks for inviting me on.
And as I look at this, having been involved in my past life in psychological operations, this bears all of the earmarks of a well-planned-out coup Uh, or a coup d'etat, uh, which has been being perpetrated for, I believe for at least five or six years, uh, to bring us to this point because the national infrastructure, the financial infrastructure was falling apart and, uh, something had to be done in this country and Trump either willingly or unwillingly.
And at this point, I don't think it matters, was a part of that psychological operation
and may very well have been unwittingly.
He may very well have been used to accomplish exactly what they want to do.
But if one is aware of the psychological operations that have taken place in other countries by
what we call the national security complex or the deep state or whatever you want, starting
back in 1953 in Iran, Operation Ajax.
If you look upon these things, this has all, it's like a script.
They're using the same script over and over and over again.
And in no sane world would the arguments of that impeachment hearing have been considered professional, even ethical.
So again, that points to me, you know, who gets an attorney Yeah, when you talk about, you mean the Trump defense attorneys?
Obviously, this guy Castor did a terrible job.
The second attorney was much better.
I agree, of course, what happened at the Capitol was an elaborate psyop.
There isn't any question about it.
We have a whole host of reports about it, including the FBI and the Capitol Police, aware of violent threats before the Capitol riots, were warned about a looming war.
We have James, the brother of the accused leftist provocateur John Sullivan, claiming 226 Antifa members started the riots, of course, masquerading as though they were Trump supporters.
We have Michigan Senator Mike Shirky thinking the Capitol riot was staged and that Mitch McConnell was a part of it.
I think that all of those reports are correct and well founded.
And I completely agree with you that what we saw taking place there was a kind of sometimes called color revolution that the CIA has been pulling off abroad for decades and decades.
And as you say, it's the same game plan, the same script over and over, Mike.
I couldn't agree more.
Well, Jim, one of the things, and I brought this up on a program a couple of days ago, is I remember the old early Monday Night Football and Dandy Don Meredith.
And he used to, his favorite line was, or at least one of his favorite lines was, you got to dance with who brung you.
And these people have seen these operations.
And as a matter of fact, they have perfected these operations in foreign countries.
Time after time after time.
Iraq, you know, many places in the Middle East, they've used the same thing.
And so, if you are familiar with those, and if one is familiar with the operations, watching this whole thing unfold over the past three to four years, Jim, has been like watching a movie that you saw ten years ago, and you know, you're screaming at your friends, hey, there's an Indian behind that rock, watch out!
Because it's a scripted performance, but the people that I refer to as Bubas Americanas just keep falling for this over and over and over again.
And as Dandy Don said, keep running the play until they stop it.
And we sure haven't done much to stop this.
I mean, gosh, Jim, let's look at all the false flag operations going back, you know, Operation Northwoods, which they planned, you know, all the false flags, the school shootings, the Boston Marathon, You know, 9-11, Oklahoma City, time after time, it keeps going.
Oh, Mike, of course, I agree with you 100%, but I think the reason why is that they're as successful as the mainstream media is colluding.
In other words, as I see it, if we actually had a bona fide press that were not dominated by the Israelis, by the Mossad, We might have a ghost of a chance, but I think most Americans get played again and again.
They mistakenly think that if they hear it on a couple of different channels, the same story on CNN, NBC, Whatever.
They think it must be true, not realizing, not having any understanding or appreciation of the fact that it's all being orchestrated based upon a common source in order to deceive the public.
Well, Jim, let's go back to 1981 in one of Reagan's first staff meetings and CIA Director William Casey.
And this has been documented.
And here was his exact trait.
I mean, his exact quote.
We will know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false, unquote.
And they have accomplished their goal.
And that was 40 years ago.
Yes, yes, yes.
I agree basically about the quote.
I know a woman who was present when he said it, and it was actually not with Reagan.
It was to the CIA at their very first staff meeting.
We will know our disinformation program is a success when everything the American people believe is false.
But Mike, I don't think that Casey was contemplating the infiltration of the American media by the Zionist forces.
I agree with Operation Mockingbird, That the whole idea was to infiltrate the media, where the CIA and the Mossad have worked so closely, we now have a situation where I have a panel of 100 executives from CNN, every one of whom is a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen.
Another panel from NBC, every one of whom is a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen.
Another panel.
And in each of these cases, it's 100 executives.
from the New York Times, every one of whom is a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen. So this is completely
outrageous and out of hand. And I don't see how the American people have a ghost of a chance to
figure out what's really going on as long as we have such a massively corrupt media.
Well, Jim, we can take this back. And of course, my concentration of studies is the founding era
of this country. And if you want to go back to manipulation of the press, we can go all the
way back to 1788 in the ratification proceedings for the Constitution and see exactly the same
kind of influence, of course, on a much smaller scale without all the electronics and all the
other stuff.
But we can see a manipulation of the press in 1788 to foster Ratification of the Constitution, and in many cases, Jim, that was led by Jews, too.
So it's not new, not for this country.
It's at least 253 years old.
That's pretty bloody disgusting, isn't it, Mark?
Absolutely, Jim.
Yeah, it's interesting that you and I may have a different opinion about the role of Trump here, because I'm convinced the reason they're so eager to get rid of him is they fear him.
We know the election was stolen, and this was another of the appalling aspects of this opening statement by this guy Castro.
Because he was asserting that the American people had changed their president fair and square, as though they'd known what they were doing, as though it had all been on the up and up, which is again, I say, that's just shocking.
It leads me to wonder who in the world suggested this guy should have anything to do with it.
But where Trump has been doing all kinds of measures, it seems to me, to drain the deep state.
Although I fault his foreign policy vis-a-vis Israel, in particular, in moving the American embassy to Jerusalem and declaring Golan Heights to be Israeli territory when the world recognizes it's Israeli-occupied Syrian territory.
In defunding the UN organization assisting Palestinian refugees, even, and I found this particularly egregious, signing by executive order a change to the definition of anti-Semitism to include criticism of the actions and policies of the government of Israel, Such as I've suggested, if the Democrats wanted a real reason to impeach Trump, that would have been a good one.
But where we know our own Congress is dominated by Israel, where Symphony McKinney, over a decade ago, exposed the pledge.
I actually had a conversation with her where she told me she thought everyone knew she didn't realize she was revealing something the public did not already know.
That when new members of Congress arrive in Washington, they're asked to sign a pledge to put the interests of Israel ahead of those of the United States, where those who decline find themselves confronted with a well-financed alternative candidate next time around.
Or even if a census has intervened, that their district has been redrawn and they no longer have a seat.
Where Cynthia was able to survive those obstacles to serve six or eight terms in the House, but even as notable a member as Dennis Kucinich, whom I regard as the smartest member of Congress at the time, were not.
His district was redrawn.
A friend of mine a few years back asked me, did I know how many members of the then current Congress had refused to sign the pledge?
Absolutely, Jim.
admit I did not.
And he raised one finger and one hand, mine, one member only.
I mean, this is as disgusting as it gets.
Absolutely, Jim.
And let's not forget that all of the newly elected members of Congress are treated within
a very short time of being sworn in, within a few months.
I know in 2010, which was 11 years ago, that it was probably in July or August that all
of the new members of Congress got a free 11-day all-expense-paid tour of Israel, which
was paid for by AIPAC.
And all the new members of Congress are wined and dined there, and they can take members
of their staff and members of their family.
And that happens to be the only country which is allowed to provide such a service to newly elected members of Congress.
That's outrageous!
I mean, the Israelis are actually not our friends!
I've been contemplating why the mainstream went so massively after Trump, given how generous he'd been toward Israel.
And the answer, I believe, has to be because he's refused to bomb Iran.
That is what the Israelis want, and they believe that Biden will be amenable to pressure, or his successor.
Well, as I pointed out on this show and elsewhere many times, the guy who was the subject of the fake inauguration, which we know was pre-recorded, played too early, can't be legally valid, and the guy who participated in the first debate and thereafter is not actually Joe Biden, but a body double.
I mean, this is absolutely stunning stuff.
So I'm simply appalled by a situation where we have a fake candidate, a fake election, a fake inauguration, and from all I can tell, even the executive orders he's allegedly signing are fraudulent and insignificant too, where they have a signature not the same as the signature of Joe Biden from the past, Well, I have to concur.
pharmacist who's used a verifying signature is to make sure someone's not submitting forged
prescriptions to obtain drugs they could not otherwise Have access to all this is it monstrously outrageous in my
judgment Well, I have to concur my only
point Jim and and not to be contentious
but to it would be awfully hard for me with my previous background to believe that Trump was indeed trying to
Drain the swamp when he appointed so many members of the swamp to high positions in his administration
including his Attorney General including his you know, John Bolton Henry
Kissinger All of these people had been in the deep state for years and Madeleine Albright and all of these people.
But yet he brought them into the fold.
I do not believe that there's any way that Donald Trump could have been so ignorant as to not know that these people, especially Barr, and then to nominate Kavanaugh to the U.S.
Supreme Court when Kavanaugh, as the U.S.
attorney in Washington, D.C., covered up the Vince Foster murder for the Clintons.
For him to not know this is absolutely amazing to me, and that would be my contention along the Trump line, sir.
Well, Mike, I'm a little surprised.
I don't know that Trump had an association with Madeleine Albright or Henry Kissinger, who are monsters, of course.
So I want you to elaborate on that.
And of course, the sanctions, which even now this fake Biden is extending with his Jewish secretary of state.
I mean, what a terrible thing to do.
The Iranians were hopeful that Biden's declared desire to rejoin the nuclear deal, the Iran deal, was bona fide.
But now, where Blinken is insisting they have to cease their enrichment program before they'll relieve the sanctions, Which is absurd, especially given the sanctions are violations of international law as a form of collective punishment.
All the people being punished for acts of their political leadership, which is proscribed by the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter.
In other words, the United States, as it did in Iraq by these no-fly zones and other sanctions, are actually violating international law.
these are war crimes for which the nation needs to be called out.
Well, absolutely, Jim.
And as for the connection with Albright and Kissinger to the Trump administration, you need to look no further than the Defense Policy Board of where Trump placed both of those on that board.
And then later, he let them go, fired them in a move.
I'm trying to find the date, sir.
Exactly.
But they were both members of his defense policy board.
So yes, they were part of his administration.
Okay, I get I get that.
Yeah, I think that was a weakness of someone who was indeed an outsider coming into government that he didn't have a A shadow government of individuals who would be expected to fulfill all these crucial slots over which the president has control and that he suffered greatly as a consequence because so many who are Obama hangovers or anti-Trumpers actually wound up in important positions
I think it's astonishing how much he accomplished in spite of it all, but I certainly don't disagree that he committed a lot of mistakes.
It would appear out of ignorance, but you're making the point that some of these are difficult to excuse on that basis.
Yes, sir.
You know, especially, I don't buy Barr at all.
That one just totally confounded me.
Barr was involved in so many things, including Waco, Ruby Ridge, and other different things that really trouble me.
And I can't understand how anyone, Jim, could have had any exposure whatsoever to the news since the 1960s under Nixon and not realize what a terrible, evil man that Henry Kissinger has been.
I don't see how that could have slipped his notice if he was paying attention at all.
Oh, I agree.
Henry Kissinger may be responsible for more deaths worldwide than any other figure in human history.
Just as I have been pointing out that Anthony Tony the Rat Fauci is now responsible for more devastation to the United States than all of our foreign enemies combined.
Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Ember, Hirohito.
Fauci has done more damage.
And of course, this wearing of masks is a way of killing us slowly.
I just discovered that Anthony Fauci had actually published a study about the Spanish flu in which He and his research colleagues discovered that the vast majority of deaths weren't caused by the flu itself, but by bacterial infections that were a consequence of wearing masks.
And now you got this medical monstrosity out there recommending we should wear multiple masks and where the vaccines appear to be designed not to help us, but to kill us.
I'm terribly worried about that and no doubt You are aware that Bill Gates has been buying up farmland across the country.
I asked a good friend with Intel Connections how they could, Deagle could fulfill the prediction or the prediction of Deagle
could be fulfilled at going from 323 million Americans in 2020 to less than 100 million
in 2025.
Michael, look forward to your answer when we come back from our break.
We're right here on The Verge, and I'm just very, very pleased to have you here with me today.
My pleasure, sir.
Excellent, excellent, excellent.
And if there's a delay in the break, then go ahead, Mike, go ahead, pick it up from there.
Well, Jim, Fauci has been, you know, I believe Fauci is Just as if not more evil than Kissinger, and I believe they are the very epitome of evil.
And of course, Madeleine Albright saying the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis because of our blockade and embargo on the Iraqi children and the old people to say that all of those deaths were worth it, epitomizes evil in my mind.
And of course, I do not I don't understand how these people just continually operate.
Well, I do understand.
I've actually been there.
I remember one of my supervisors at the No Such Agency back in the late 60s when I asked him a question about some politicians who had been in for a briefing there at Fort Meade, Maryland.
He made the statement, he said, Mike, he said, the thing you have to understand is everybody in this country is for sale.
It just all depends on their price.
And that has always stuck in my mind as I watch these people go from one side of the issue to the other.
And I also remember a gentleman who was head of the DEA and was involved in other political and now actually holds a governorship in this country. I remember his wife telling
a senator, you have no idea what you will do when your children's lives are at stake.
These people are ruthless, Jim, and they will do whatever. For people to think that this
government will not kill Americans after what we have seen at 9-11, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma
City, Sandy Hook, and all of these other places.
I called it Sandy Hoax for years.
But all of these things that we've looked at and for people to still believe that this U.S.
government will not kill its own citizens for political purposes is absolutely astounding to me.
I just can't comprehend how people cannot see that after all of these pieces of evidence are placed before them.
Well, you're certainly right that 9-11 was a vivid illustration of the willingness to kill Americans to benefit Israel, of course, needless to say.
I mean, it's absolutely stunning.
Where 9-11 appears to have originated in the fertile imagination of Bibi Netanyahu to find a way to justify American forces coming into the Middle East to take out the modern Arab states that serve as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and then to be used to confront the Persian nation of Iran I think we're very much on the same page about these issues, Mike.
Give me more of your thoughts, extended commentary on where things stand today.
I mean, how can we work our way out of it if You are correct.
If, you know, Trump isn't the real deal, which I continue to believe, by the way, I think he is the real deal.
And this is why they're having to make such an extraordinary effort to get rid of him.
he already cleaned their clock in the election of 2020 after beating Hillary in 2016, even
though it was rigged for Hillary then. The American people came out and beat the system
and they did it again, which required taking these extraordinary steps of actually stopping
the vote, stopping the count so they could give a massive infusion of Biden votes and
then resuming.
With the algorithms adjusted to maintain a slight lead for Biden, like 50.5 versus 49.5 to guarantee he would be the winner, but where Sidney Powell has revealed the actual count before all the manipulation took place was so massive that Trump actually won virtually all but five states.
even won California and Minnesota 410 electoral votes with around 75 million legitimate votes,
whereas Biden received only around 25. I mean, it was just a massive victory for Trump.
And I think this petrified the Democrats that they had to do something to, you know, tarnish Trump.
And of course, the objective of this impeachment isn't actually to impeach a president who's no longer in the office.
It's to get a censure where he's precluded from running for president again.
I think that has been clear from the beginning.
Well, Jim, let me kind of give you a little bit of a background.
And I have believed that Trump was part of the PSYOP, willingly or unwillingly, since 2016.
And I wrote about it on multiple occasions, even back then.
And the reason I did that, Jim, was because in my previous life, we would sit and decide in a foreign country how you bring that country's political structure into your grasp.
And I was told, and I remember being told this very early on, that no country that is polarized and divided along political, ethnic, or religious grounds, as long as those people are divided, They will never congregate.
They will never coalesce to overthrow their government.
So polarization is the entire key.
And if you will look at how they initially reacted, even the GOP to Trump in 2016, their initial reaction to him was made alarms go off in my head that, hey, we have a massive effort here to polarize the American people.
And then when you take into consideration that they bring Trump in, whether, you know, whether he knew it or not, they bring him in and then from day one, Jim, I think you will agree from day one, he was pilloried in the press daily.
You could not turn on the CNN, MSNBC, Fox, any of these stations on the radio or anything else.
You could not turn anything on where Trump was not Just absolutely attacked at everything, no matter what he tweeted, no matter what he said.
In all instances, he was fully attacked.
That to me was the classic indicator.
This is a polarization plan.
We will get the people who are truly conservative in this country and who believe in Trump.
We will get them and we will isolate them and we will make their allegiance to Trump even stronger with a daily attack on his Well, let me just offer a contrasting view, Mike.
It seems to me this guy's some kind of political genius.
He's a master of the media.
American public.
They will become so polarized that in no way will they ever unite to overthrow our corruption.
Well, let me just offer a contrasting view, Mike.
It seems to me this guy's some kind of political genius.
He's a master of the media.
He executed a hostile takeover of the Republican Party, which is now showing signs of wanting
to revert to its country club, rich man, banker, financier past status, where all it was preoccupied
with was keeping taxes low so the rich wouldn't have to pay their share.
And then he defeated like 17 other candidates, including Jeb Bush, Yeah, and went ahead to win a fascinating victory over Hillary Clinton, where the whole game had been massively rigged for Hillary.
They've been photoshopping events.
She'd be in St.
Petersburg and draw 300.
He'd be in Boca Raton drawing 30,000.
And they'd photoshop to make it look as though Hillary's crowd was comparable to Trump's.
They were conducting phony polls.
We even intercepted some of the communications where they were deliberately oversampling Democrats, women, self-described women.
self-described liberals to give Hillary an artificial.
All the predictions were she had a 99% expectation of winning the election.
Trump voters might as well stay home and not even bother to turn out to vote.
Since he's come in, he has made reviving the economy look like child's play because he's
so experienced with so much hands-on practice in business by cutting regulations and reducing
taxes that we've had the most surging economy.
He's not only kept us out of war, but he's been promoting peace agreements between Arab states and Israel that no one here before would have thought imaginable.
Well, you can go back to past presidents and you find even Ronald Reagan had like seven wars, Bill Clinton five, others like W, three and so forth.
Donald Trump has had none, zero, zero wars for Trump.
Now, that's a great accomplishment in and of itself.
Not only that, Mike, But look how he has exposed the fake media.
No one has done more to enlighten the American people that the media should not be taken at face value, that they're deceiving us again and again and again than Donald Trump.
If that had been his only accomplishment, I would be singing the man's phrases forevermore.
But I think you're very much misappraising the situation and the role of Trump.
And if he didn't represent a threat to the deep state, if he actually were a good thing from the point of view of the bad guys, there wouldn't be all this effort to tarnish and destroy him.
I mean, frankly, I don't think it's at all reasonable to suppose that he's a bit player in an elaborate scam.
The country is divided because we have monsters in the Democratic Party who want to go full socialist-communist and the people don't like it.
And because Trump turned the Republican Party into a populist party that actually was representing the interests of the people, that he showed he cares about the American people, unlike any other politician on the stage in America, the people responded.
This is my take.
Look at when he went to, you know, Butler, Pennsylvania, at the footage of the crowd there.
Tens of thousands of people.
Late at night, just waiting for him to come down in the chopper and speak to them.
I mean, we replicate this all over the nation.
There's a genuine emotional attachment between Donald Trump and the American people, and it's the miscreants of the Democratic Party.
The P-brains and the corrupt, the corrupt including Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi, the P-brains including AOC and Ilhan Omar.
I think the American people see the difference, Mike, and that this polarization is bona fide, but it's the only way you can regain control of your country once the country's been taken over.
where Barack Obama was a culmination of Bill Clinton and other miscreants, the Bush family
especially, in corrupting the American government to become completely dominated by the deep state.
Your thoughts?
Well, Jim, very respectfully, I will disagree. And my opinion comes from years of being inside
of the bowels of the monster. And I said back in 2008, if this country will elect a man with a
Muslim name, a short time after 9-11, if they will elect him president, I am convinced that the people
have no say so over their government.
I still believe the same thing.
I still believe voting is a ritual that they let us do to give us the illusion of having some kind of control.
And I cannot believe for a moment that the 2020 election was a fraud and that they have the power and the authority to do that and not believe any other election, including 2016, could have been exactly the same thing.
If they control it once, they can control it again.
And I have very little faith.
I'm certainly not a Democrat.
I think they're the most evil people probably walking in the face of the earth.
But I also have no respect whatsoever for the Republican Party.
And just recently, I lived in Arkansas, and I saw the Republican Party in 2016 come in on the Trump election with a super majority in the legislature.
And in four years with a super majority of Republicans, a Republican governor, a Republican attorney general, a Republican, you know, vice governor, if you will, I never saw One administration so totally corrupt a state in my life.
And I had a Republican senator in Arkansas tell me that the Republican majority in Arkansas was the worst thing to happen to them since Reconstruction.
I do not believe that these parties actually intend to do anything.
And I look back at George W. Bush, and I look at the things that he did, and he was a tool.
And his his election was obviously manipulated because it went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court ordered the state of Florida to stop counting votes.
Now, I speak of these things not from being a Democrat or a Republican, because I'm neither.
I don't trust either one of them.
And as the wonderful professor at Yeah, how did he put it?
The Democrats were the what?
Carolina, Clyde Wilson said the Democrats are the evil party and the Republicans are
the stupid party.
And I totally believe that.
I do not believe that there is a pathway to freedom politically in this country.
Just my opinion.
And I offer that very respectfully, sir.
Yeah.
How did he put it?
The Democrats were the what?
The Republicans were the stupid party?
Clyde Wilson said that the Democrats are the evil party and the Republicans are the stupid
The evil party and the stupid party.
Well, see, I don't think with Trump as president they're the stupid party.
I do think in the past that that might be true.
You know, I mean, the Republicans have frequently run really hopelessly bad candidates like John McCain, for example.
Dole, you know, Bob Dole.
I mean, how could anyone get excited about candidates like that?
Where I myself have regarded myself as a JFK FDR Democrat, because I believe in the social safety network, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, workman's compensation, which are the only programs that have actually benefited the American people.
I even voted for Bill Clinton twice and for Barack Obama twice before I
really realized how bad Obama was.
I now believe he'll go down as one of the worst presidents in American history, but
when it came to Hillary versus Trump, that was no contest.
Anyone aware of the monstrous crimes and corruption of Hillary Clinton ought not to have had any
problem in recognizing that she was not someone who was deserving of respect, but only of
contempt and indeed of indictment and punishment for her crimes.
Well you're not going to get an argument about the Clintons from me, I promise you, because
She is probably the spawn of Satan, as I have written in several of my articles.
But, you know, if we want to go back to 2016, Jim, one of the things that really troubled me was something that Trump said in a presentation in Detroit.
He said he was proud to be the nominee of the party of Abraham Lincoln and that he intended to take the Republican Party back to the principles of Abraham Lincoln.
Well, no one in the history of this country violated the Constitution more than did Abraham Lincoln.
And if he was that ignorant of history, that troubled me a great deal.
But I'm sure it got him a lot of votes, because I know that many Republican parties now still call themselves the party of Lincoln and have a Lincoln Day dinner.
Mike, I think that's a stretch on your part, actually.
Most of your arguments are so good, I don't find this one really reasonable.
You've got to look at the way that Lincoln is perceived by the American people in terms of history as the man who saved the nation, fought the Civil War to maintain the integrity of all of the states, I mean, those are the reasons why we admire Lincoln.
Now, the fact that he suspended habeas corpus and a host of other issues It's really getting into the fine print that isn't on anyone's mind when they make observations such as the one Trump was making on that occasion.
So look, I think most of your arguments are very good and you're obviously very knowledgeable and articulate and I'm very favorably impressed.
I don't think that argument really cuts it, Mike.
That's my take.
Well, Jim, let me ask you a question.
Have you ever heard of Leroy Bennett Jr.?
Leroy Bennett Jr.?
I can't say that I have, Mike, enlighten me.
Okay, Leroy Bennett Jr.
was probably one of America's most intelligent people.
He was the editor of Ebony Magazine for 30 years.
And he absolutely disassembled in his own works, and he was black, he absolutely disassembled the myth that was Abraham Lincoln.
And he was attacked by his own race for doing that.
And he proves with factual evidence That there was nothing about, because Lincoln said in his first inaugural address, he did not intend to tamper with slavery in the states where it existed, because he had no authority to do so.
And he was exactly right.
And the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the South.
The slaves under Lincoln's control were never freed.
So it's a it's a total misconception.
And it's a pardon my French, but it's an ignorance on the part of Americans to believe that this man actually did any of the things he's credited with doing.
History destroys him.
If you actually look beyond the superficial look.
I don't know, Mike, I'm really not persuaded by that.
And, you know.
So for the editor of Ebony to have a critique of Lincoln, surprising and unexpected.
But, you know, I think the arguments of history suggest Lincoln stands tall among American presidents, along with Washington and Jefferson and TR, among the reasons we find their faces on Mount Rushmore.
And I don't think Americans are wrong to hold them in high esteem.
Well, where you have Antifa and Black Lives Matter exercising cultural Marxism by seeking to destroy the statues of the founding fathers and the great figures in American history, and even the generals who fought the Civil War.
Where it was a form of recognition and respect on both sides that the North should acknowledge, for example, that Robert E. Lee was a great American, even if he led the South militarily in the era of the Confederacy, which is why they've been so eager to take down—I mean, there's been a massive effort here to exacerbate racial relations, America is probably the least racist society in history.
Take a look around, how many blacks are prominent on television all the time, in good positions, make more money in professional athletics, in Hollywood.
I mean, look at the number of politicians, increasingly so.
The idea America is a racist society is so ludicrous.
And yet the mainstream has been promoting it so aggressively.
And the Democrats have been so tolerant, even encouraging riots and looting and arson by Antifa and Black Lives Matter.
It was ironic.
We even had to have a campaign in Washington, D.C., where BLM members are, if we don't get it, burn it down.
And, you know, talking about effing the police.
This whole idea, of course, of defunding the police has to be the most lunatic platform any party has ever had and naturally, unexpectedly contributed to the enormous loss in the election by the Democrats, where they're, you know, faking it all.
I mean, the unreality of all of this, where the evidence is so massive, That you even have Dominion threatening to sue individuals who pointed out that Dominion voting machines were used to steal the election when the evidence is simply overwhelming.
Dominion voting machines were designed, they were created to steal elections.
I don't expect we disagree on all of this, but I do think that the crucial issues facing us have absolutely nothing to do with Abraham Lincoln and everything to do with cultural Marxism in trying to make us a racially tense society when we have not been, and there's no good reason we should be, And where in particular, just to speak about the man himself, Donald Trump was noted for excellent race relations.
He doesn't have a racist body and bone in his body.
And well, he should not, because he couldn't succeed as a builder and developer in New York, working with the many unions who are very highly multiracial, even largely black, if he had any racism in him.
It's just part of the propaganda campaign against him.
Jim, are you familiar with the U.S.
Party, U.S.
Communist Party, at their huge gathering in 1939 in Chicago?
Tell us about it, Mike.
Well, the two images for the 1939 Communist Party Convention, the two images at the head behind the speakers were of Karl Marx and Abraham Lincoln.
Karl Marx and Abraham Lincoln communicated quite often.
Karl Marx wrote more articles for the New York Observer or the New York Times or whatever it was called at the time.
He, the Tribune, I'm sorry, New York Tribune, Karl Marx wrote 5,000 articles for the New York Tribune while Abraham Lincoln was president.
Karl Marx's very close friend in Europe, before they were expelled, In 1848, one of his closest friends was a gentleman by the name of Charles A. Dana.
Charles A. Dana came to the country and he was the editor for Horace Greeley's newspaper in New York, the New York Tribune.
And then, suddenly, in 1862, Charles A. Dana goes from being the editor, the contributing editor, for the paper that was publishing all of Karl Marx's articles He goes from there to be Assistant Secretary of War for Abraham Lincoln.
Lincoln was congratulated by Karl Marx upon his victory in the Civil War.
This is all guilt by association, Mike.
Come on, you're better than that for crying out loud.
Plus, you're underestimating Karl Marx.
Karl Marx was a great social scientist.
Karl Marx made a lot of very stunning studies that have enduring significance to this day about classes and their interrelationship.
So, you know, he was a leading intellectual of his period.
Most Americans have no idea, but it's the case.
And if you're going to make arguments such as you're making here, I'll offer the counterargument that you're simply grossly underestimating and distorting Who was Karl Marx and what he actually accomplished in his role as a actually empirically oriented, the guy was data-driven social scientist.
Now, that's a whole different matter from the Communist Manifesto and communism, which is actually, as it's developed in Russia and the Soviet Union, a rather totalitarian society that was unlike what Mark said, and Ingalls had originally envisioned, which was more on the order of a communitarian society, such as we're getting sometimes from AOC and Ilhan Omar.
Mike, we're about to hit the break.
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This is a very smart guy.
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You may know, of course, that Michael Flynn was recently interviewed and said at the opening of the interview that
Trump had not signed the Insurrection Act and that there was no plan.
But I think that's contradicted by the history of all these developments.
After having been, you know, up against the Democrats' attempt to steal the election in 2016, Where they regain control of the House by duplicitous methods in 2018.
Trump signed this executive order against foreign interference in American elections on 12 September 2018 that gave him vast powers to seize the assets and prosecute the personnel of any foreign company that interfered with the US election We know, of course, that Dominion is based in Canada, that
Seidel, which was doing the tabulation based in Spain, that Leonardo's satellites, nominally
controlled by the Vatican, were used to change the vote in the US, and that even China
turned out to be a heavy investor in Dominion, which is hardly surprising since Joe Biden,
the real Joe Biden, and his brother and his son are principals in the Biden crime family that's
performed massive corrupt acts.
Not only in relation to Ukraine, Iraq and even Russia, but also China, so that I regard Joe Biden as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese Communist Party.
I find this situation alarming in the extreme, Mike, and when it comes to distraction, I think that's the attention They want it all to be focused on Trump and their efforts to savage him to try to guarantee he can't run against them again because he would mop the floor with them just as he did already in 2020 to keep attention off of the awful things that Joe Biden is doing that are of enormous damage to this country.
Would you tend to agree or not?
Oh, absolutely, Jim.
It would, you know, a person would have to be daft to not see what is happening here and the connections with the Biden family in the Ukraine and China and everything else.
It is being played out to a fine howdy-do, if I could use that old Southern phrase.
And we are sitting and watching mass corruption But the incredulity of the entire thing is what just absolutely amazes me is that so-called intelligent Americans can sit and watch this facade and believe that any of it is the truth is beyond my wildest speculation.
Yes, yes, yes.
But again, Mike, don't you think it's a function of the control of the mainstream media?
I mean, if, you know, the average American is having enough trouble keeping food on the table and a roof over their head, so they come home after a long day and they get news bites.
And if a couple of different stations are both reporting the same thing, say CNN and NBC, They tend to assume that they're independent sources and therefore they confirm one another's report and they tend to assume it's true.
I don't think the average American is very sophisticated, but he's gotten better.
Because of Trump calling out the fake news media.
So actually, Mike, I should look for the latest polls.
I think they were very unflattering to the mainstream media, like 70, 80% of the American people either think the mainstream media mostly publishes fake news, or at least largely or often publishes fake news.
And in my opinion, that's a giant step forward, thanks to Donald Trump.
Well, Jim, the mainstream media, if we, you know, we use that phrase and we use it quite often, we can go back to, you know, my youth, we can go back to the JFK assassination.
And if you want to watch manipulation of the media, The Deep State was perfecting its skills with the Kennedy
assassination, and then of course with the RFK assassination and the MLK assassination.
They honed their skills in the 60s manipulating the media.
And there were even comments, I remember a comment when I was in Washington, D.C., when
there was an investigative committee in Congress that I went to watch, and they were investigating
this Mockingbird thing, in which if you look into that, look at all the documents that
the CIA destroyed when they were subpoenaed by Congress.
But even then, one of the heads, one of the head people, department heads in the CIA actually made a statement before Congress that they had paid more money for good prostitutes than they did some of the people in the media, that they were easily owned and controlled.
Yeah.
So that's been going on for, you know, at least 50 years, Jim.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
I agree completely.
Yes, there were.
Key CIA assets in the media.
I mean, even Buckley, William Buckley, when he was confronted with having worked with the CIA, actually didn't deny it.
He was open about it.
But most of those, you know, at the time, it was thought to be a patriotic thing to do.
But, you know, Henry Luce and Claire Booth Luce and Time Magazine, Life Magazine, they were all very much involved in the whole effort to frame Lee Oswald for a crime he did not commit, where even the Howard, Harold Weisberg, in his cover-up series, in his second photographic whitewash, his whitewash series, second photographic whitewash, volume two, published 1967.
Was already in the last four pages talking about how the Warren Commission staff was having trouble concealing the fact that Lee Oswald had actually been in the doorway of the Book Depository when the motorcade passed by, which of course means he not only cannot have been the lone demented gunman, but he cannot have been one of the shooters Where I've identified six by name, rank, serial number, where they were located, what shots they took, and what effect they had.
Only Dombaguard is seventh.
And now there turns out to have been an eighth on the South Knoll, the only one whose identity remains today still unknown.
We do have a caller, a frequent caller from California, Paul, who I suspect is going to be very supportive of what you've had to say here.
Paul, join the conversation.
Yes, thanks for taking my call.
You know, it's one of these things that I understand why so many people feel a certain way about Trump, and I understand for you also, Jim, why you feel a certain way.
I don't know the extent or the percentage of which, you know, a part of him is real.
I do believe that there is a part of him that was real, and certainly a part of the movement that was real.
But you've said it yourself many times, and I don't even know if you really know you're saying it.
Just today on this show again, you said that they wouldn't want him to run again in 2024 because he would mop the floor.
You also used the term he would clean their clocks.
According to you and other people, he won the election by three or four to one, the most massive landslide you could imagine, right?
And but what's the reality?
Okay, it's one of those things.
It's the biggest, how should we say?
It's the biggest so what in history because these people that are running the show have made it clear to all of us that they're in charge, not us.
Right?
There couldn't be a bigger slap in the face than what we've endured, and we've endured a 50, 70, 100 year or more slap in the face.
Okay?
They're telling us.
They deliberately chose the most odious person you can imagine, right?
And according to you, Jim, they chose for the Vice President the lowest polling candidate possible.
It's all their way of saying to us, hey, You don't matter.
You're nothing.
We will crush you.
How could I be wrong in this take, Mike or Jim?
How could I be incorrect in my take?
Oh, I think you're right about picking candidates who are so execrable.
You know, I mean, Joe Biden had run for president three times and until South Carolina, he hadn't won a single primary or a single caucus.
Kamala Harris was a first of all, the Democratic candidate said drop out.
She didn't even make it to Iowa.
So I think you have a nice point about them flexing their muscle by just showing how outrageous it is.
But I'm not wrong in what I say about what actually happened, the legitimacy and how it was stolen on multiple grounds, Paul.
So I don't think you ought to be questioning what really happened versus the way it turned out after the manipulation, or even the Supreme Court.
And I'm still aghast about this.
John Roberts turned down the Texas lawsuit that would have straightened this all out because it was so clear and clean about the four key states of Of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia, where the states were violating their own laws and strictures, where they were exempting signatures, other forms of identification, even postmarks, and where they were blatantly dumping hundreds of thousands of new ballots that were freshly manufactured.
You have some that were supposed to be mail-in ballots that aren't even creased, meaning they've never even been in an envelope.
It was so blatant, the theft, and that the Supreme Court should turn it down.
On the ridiculous ground that Texas had no legitimate standing to be concerned about how other states conduct their elections, when every single American citizen ought to have standing, because we all care about the legitimacy of our election.
We're talking about the president and the vice president, whose decisions are going to affect us all in serious and consequential ways.
But where states have the right of original jurisdiction with the Supreme Court, meaning a state can bring an issue before the Supreme Court, which is a conflict with another state, and the Supreme Court can take the case, even though it hasn't worked its way through the Circuit or District Courts, the Appellate Courts and the Supreme Courts of the various states.
Mike, Mike.
Okay, okay, okay.
Let's get Mike in.
Go ahead, Mike.
All right.
I'm going to go ahead and start.
I'm going to start.
I'm going to start.
I have a really serious question here, Jim.
If the deep state has the clout, has the power, has the voting machines, owns the Supreme Court, owns the federal courts, and can completely control any opposition to this, to their entire coup, to their entire coup d'etat, Why would they give a damn if Trump could run again because they could do the same damn thing again?
They're worried that these things could get squared away in the meanwhile.
I mean, we got to abolish.
I have talked about four or five points in regaining control of our own government for decades.
The first being getting rid of electronic voting machines.
Obviously, they were only introduced to steal elections.
They can serve no other useful purpose.
We have to go back to paper ballots and hand counts.
Number two, get rid of gerrymandered voting congressional districts so other candidates can have the opportunity of gaining office.
Get rid, then, third of private funding for federal elections.
They should all be publicly funded.
And fourth, which may sound counterintuitive, but I think is actually quite crucial, restore the draft.
By virtue of having the draft, families care about issues of war and peace.
Otherwise, noting that their sons and daughters aren't at risk, they tend to be careless and nonchalant about the decisions that are made by the executive branch, even without the approval of Congress.
Nixon, of course, abolished a draft to take the wind out of the sails of the anti-war movement in relation to Vietnam.
You're going off on a tangent there, Jim, and it's fine.
and we've had generations of young Americans who have never even had the benefit of military
training and discipline, which have been a wonderful part of the life experience of millions
of Americans in the past.
Okay, but you're going off on a tangent there, Jim, and it's fine.
It's one of the things that endears many of your listeners is your ability to articulate
all these various points, but it's all conceptual.
I mean, I think the point that Mike is making that I make, I think very easy for most people to see.
This is not the world that we live in.
I mean, you have found this out with a brief experience in the court system, but it's far worse than that.
Everywhere you can see, all this stuff you're talking about are ideas and concepts, but that's not the world we live in.
We live in real world power and it's street fight level stuff.
It's like a famous quote that Giuseppe used on one of these shows.
I don't think it was on your show, Jeb, but he said there's a great line in The Untouchables where Sean Connery says, it's just like a walk to bring a knife to a gunfight.
And the bottom line is all this stuff you're talking about voting machines and election reform and, you know, so on and so forth.
It's ridiculous.
They will never give up their power.
Never.
There has never been an electoral way out of this.
There's never been a political way out of this.
Never.
I've been saying this way before I called your show and I think you really know it and you just don't really want to, you know, uh, admit it.
But I mean, when somebody, when, when a quote that you say all the time about the CIA director saying, we'll know our program is successful when everything that the American people believe is false.
We'll just sit, sit on that for a second and ask yourself this.
He's the head of the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency.
Supposed to be something in their national interest, right?
That's the function of it.
And the national interest is for the nation.
The nation is composed of the people.
The people make the nation, right?
Well, how can you have this agency go against the interest of the people all the time?
What's their purpose?
Because we're being ruled.
We're being ruled by an evil cabal of Jews, and it's been going on for centuries.
And next time I get a chance to talk after this, I'll go on to Lincoln.
My view of Lincoln is probably even dimmer than Mr. Gaddy, who I respect.
Terrific.
Mark, go ahead.
Well, I, you know, I don't want to be a me too-er.
But I realized many years ago, and I remember sitting with my supervisor in 1983, sitting and complaining as we were going down the beltway between Fort George G. Meade, Maryland and headed towards the Puzzle Palace, which is called the Pentagon.
And I was complaining about what these agencies were doing, including the one I was working with.
And I was complaining about this.
I said, we are no longer representing the American people.
The CIA, which we referred to back then as Christians in Action, is far beyond the limits of its charter in the National Security Act in 1947.
98% of what they were doing in the early 1980s was not within their purview to do, but they were doing it anyway.
And Congress would not rein them in, would not reel them in, because, you know, Forrestal took a tumble out of the hospital for protesting some of this stuff.
So this was not happening, but I'll never forget a supervisor telling me, he said, hey, Gatty, you're in the back seat of the car traveling down the Baltimore-Washington Expressway at about 70 miles an hour.
And I said, yes, sir.
He said, what ability do you have to control Whether this car goes right, left, forward, or backwards.
And I said, none, sir.
And he said, that's exactly where you sit philosophically and politically, too.
And don't forget it.
Well, that was quite a reprimand.
Fascinating.
Well, I don't deny that you and Paul are both making really good points and arguments.
I do tend to be both an idealist and an optimist and want to see things work out well in a non-violent fashion.
But I agree the evidence is increasing that if Americans are regaining control of their country, it may be through the necessity of a second American revolution.
And if it comes to that, it ain't going to be pretty.
Well, Jim, one of the things that gets to me is this philosophy, and certainly not critical, not aimed at you, sir, but one of the things that gets me is the American public, who now has seen a massive fraud of an election.
I mean, you know, this was obvious to Ray Charles.
You do not have to be a, you know, a Men's Club member to figure out that this was a huge fraud on a huge level.
But for Americans now to say, well, just wait till the next one.
Shows me a degree of insanity that can't be touched.
Right.
Yes, I know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, a nice point to make about Ray Charles is, of course, he's both blind and deceased and he could see it.
Yes, that was my point, sir.
You just gotta laugh about it.
I was on a show the other day on another network, and I made the point again, which I've made many times.
I tend to look at things in an existentialist sort of view, you know, and it helps me, I believe, because what else can you do?
So I've mostly had a good life.
I've not really been the victim of oppression or tyranny.
I've had some run-ins with cops and traffic tickets and the like, but that's been my only negative experience with government.
And when you think about the way most people live, their only negative experience pretty much is tickets and taxes.
That's it.
Now that may change, right?
But I think that that explains in many ways the lack of participation in many elections, because I don't think most people are sophisticated enough like Mike or, you know, or yourself, Jim, to understand, you know, the nature of the structure that's been arrayed against us.
And so, you know, who can be blamed for just wanting to live their life?
And, you know, hey, what's on?
Let's watch the game this Sunday.
Let's go to a barbecue, all these different things, because there's really not much we can do about it.
Just quickly on Lincoln.
So, yeah, there's no doubt about when you look objectively, and of course I've listened to and looked at Lincoln subjectively, of course, as well, and he was a tyrant that basically destroyed this country.
And I think he did it at the behest, he was part of the scheme coming from Europe, from European Jews, to crush the prosperous South.
The South was demonstrating that if you leave men of European descent, white men alone,
to prosper, they will create a world of abundance.
There was more millionaires in the South, this is reported or alleged, there was quickly
becoming more millionaires in the South than there was in Europe.
The South was populated by a lot of educated men who had a sense of history.
This is why they named so many of the cities in their city, Atlanta after Atlantis, Rome,
Georgia, Athens, Georgia, so on and so forth.
Many, they were actually trying to rebuild a fine European civilization in the South
based upon the wealth and productivity of the natural environment.
This had to be crushed by the Jews in Europe.
This is exactly what they did.
In my opinion, with the best perspective of this, I can send you the link, Jim and Mike,
you may have heard of this man, Ben Classen, K-L-A-S-S-E-N.
He wrote a book called Nature's Eternal Religion.
You can listen to it online, audio, just listen chapter six through chapter nine of Ben Classen's
Nature's Eternal Religion.
He covers this point and many other points about the reality of that which we are facing,
which is that these people, these evil Jews, these sick, psychopathic, weirdo, criminal,
ghoulish Jews seek only to destroy.
If they find prosperity and abundance and freedom and independence anywhere, they seek only to crush it.
And that's what they're going to do here if they can.
That's all this is.
All the other politics is just a bunch of bullshit you can throw out the window.
We have an enemy.
The enemy is out in the open.
George Carlin said quite clearly, even before all this nonsense with Trump occurred, George Carlin was saying, They don't even care anymore about you knowing they're out in the open.
They don't even try to hide it anymore.
Go watch some of George Carlin Clips.
This is what he says.
They don't care anymore that you know.
Thanks.
One of our listeners sent me a quote from Israel Cohen, who is a prominent Zionist,
from 1879 to 1961, as follows. We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tensions.
By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, you can mold them to the program of the Communist Party.
In America, we will aim for subtle victories.
While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.
We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.
With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.
I do think that's a very relevant quote, and I'm glad Kathleen sent it.
Mike, your thoughts?
Well, I love that quote.
That is one of mine, and your source, Paul, was a very excellent source, and I have read that and heard that work on several occasions.
Jim, I wanted to ask a question, and along the lines of what Paul had to say, Jim, have you ever heard of the hazard circular?
The which?
The hazard?
Circular.
The hazard circular.
I don't believe I have my go ahead late on alright.
Say again, Paul.
I said no, I said that's a must.
Thank you, Mike.
Yes, it's a must.
All right.
Hazard Circular, which was published by the Powers in London in 1862.
And it says, and I quote, slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power and chattel slavery abolished.
This I and my European friends are in favor of for slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care of labor.
While the European plan, led on by England, is that capital shall control labor by controlling wages, the great debt that capitalists will see to is made out of the Civil War must be used to control the value of money.
To accomplish this, the government bonds must be used as a banking basis.
We are now waiting for the Secretary of the Treasury, who was Salmon P. Chase, who they owned completely and totally, of the United States, to make this recommendation.
It will not do to allow greenbacks, as they are called, to circulate as money any length of time, as we cannot control that.
But we can control the bonds, and through them, the bank issues.
The national debt in 1860 was $65 million.
In 1865, did I say 1860?
In 1865, the national debt was $2.8 billion.
The increase in debt was tremendous, and reconstruction destroyed the South, and a very valid point by Paul about the millionaires in the South, in 1860, The richest state in the Union was Mississippi.
Let me say I found the Hazard Circular online description.
This is evidence on the infamous Hazard Circular documents, which contains information of a giant conspiracy by the Bank of England to enslave the people of America through the control of the money supply.
It appeared in the book The Little Statesman.
That's very much in line with Rothschilds taking control of our financial system, where I think we all know the famous quote from Henry Kissinger, if you want to control government, control their finances.
If you want to control the people, control the food.
Exactly, Jim.
And what did Henry Kissinger say about the military?
Useful idiots, as I recall, or just dumb and disposable, or words to that effect.
Poor, dumb, useful idiots fit only for national security.
Right, and you know this, and it strikes me now, I wanted to make a comment, and I'm now reminded of it again, of these names that have been thrown around today, that Jim likes to say, and everybody, nobody likes these people, but So Kissinger being responsible for all kinds of deaths and Fauci and so on and so forth.
But the bottom line, when you think about it, and this is the thing that's very frustrating to a man like myself, who I consider, you know, I have my flaws like any human being.
I've done many things I regret.
I'm not a perfect person, but I've always considered myself to have a certain degree of character and integrity and principle.
Okay.
And the bottom line is that these people don't do anything.
Anthony Fauci has zero authority and zero agency.
Okay.
It's what's going on that, you know, underneath his, uh, shall we say, I mean, he's, he's a propped up puppet similar to Kissinger, you know, or madam, uh, Madeline Albright.
All right.
They never did anything, right?
It's the other people that believe in this nonsense, this structure of dominance, and
who's dominating the information and the spin on everything?
It's the Jews that control the media.
Henry Ford was complaining about Jewish power in the media in Hollywood in the 20s.
The 20s, when you read what the kind of thing that Henry Ford was writing back then, it's
talk about the foreboding of the future.
And of course, I don't know if you saw the halftime show of the Super Bowl, Jim, but
this is horrendous.
Our nation has been culturally destroyed.
Okay.
My, my brother called it back in the nineties, he called it the niggerization of our culture, but it's becoming worse than that.
It's it's now it's a weird, satanic, uh, you know, evil mix of, of, uh, promoting, uh, blacks.
And it just, to me, it's like, it makes my skin crawl to see what they're doing and they're doing it on purpose.
You've heard me make this statement on the show many times.
It's like slapping the white man across the face with a cold dead fish all the time.
Paul, Paul, I get where you and Mike are coming from.
Now what I want to ask is, what can be done?
I'm not prepared to roll over.
I'm not prepared to live my life as a serf or a slave.
I presume that's true of both of you as well.
So, even if the plight were as desperate as you describe, and it may be because I agree that I have a certain sense of optimism, wanting things to come out right, I want to hear from you your solution about what should be done.
Well, you know, it's sad to say I have considered, and this is a personal thing, I've been considering for a while leaving the country and I'm leaning that way because all I see around me is stupidity and cowardice and I'm tired of it.
I mean, this story I could tell, and I'm not going to go into many details, but this story I could tell and the ramifications and what it means, I could spend a half an hour on there, but just last night, basically a screaming match, a screaming match with Essentially a 19 year old white woman, cashier, clerk, you know, it's totally infantile calling me a Nazi, right?
Telling me I didn't care about other people, all because of my mask.
I wouldn't wear a mask to go through the checkout line, right?
It's just, this is, she was literally the, the embodiment of the caricature of the irrational screaming Antifa bitch.
And it's all been done to her.
By the media and I likely her parents.
The fact of the matter was as I talked to the manager of the store and he told me how it's her last day anyway and that it's because of her parents.
Her parents don't even want her really to be out there working because of COVID because it's so dangerous.
I made this statement to her and this is where her reaction.
I'll leave it alone after this, right?
Because again, it's just it's a nasty one.
One of the things that I've just this is my life.
It's what I What I choose and what I encounter going out there doing what I do, which is to refuse to wear a mask, to walk into a store, to buy the things I'm entitled by law to buy.
Well, anyway, I said, what evidence do you have that this thing exists?
How do you know they're telling you the truth?
Her response was, oh my God, I can't even believe you.
The whole world knows.
The whole world knows.
I just shook my head.
Yeah, of course, the whole world knows.
The whole world knows?
She doesn't understand the distinction between belief and knowledge, you know.
There are lots of opinions that are false, but they're widely held nevertheless.
So, just a couple more sentences and then we can go to Mike.
But this is kind of the way I feel.
I've been listening to Dr. William Pierce for a long time.
I have probably a couple hundred hours.
They're not all good hours, as I've admitted, because it's kind of, I've listened to the feed falling asleep or hanging out in my room and so forth.
Probably 40 or 50 good hours of William Luther Pierce.
Okay.
And Mike knows who that is.
So my mind is permanently changed.
And when you add on top of that, Ben Clawson and so on, it's like, there's no fixing me anymore.
And William Pierce talked about starting in the nineties, that we should have already seen a wave, a wave of political assassinations.
Okay.
And the fact of the matter is that we haven't seen any kind of shows where American people are.
You know, I'd be inclined to stick around and get in the fight if I saw any of that kind of stuff really going on, but instead what I see is psychological operations being conducted against us to demonize us.
And, you know, what's the point, right?
I mean, if you're going to go and do a big, you know, demonstration and maybe even going to have weapons with you, what's the point if you're just going to get cucked by the press, which is dominated by we know who?
So, I don't know what the solution is, Jim.
I'm out of ideas.
Mike, your thoughts?
Well, Paul, I share your frustration, but one of the things I have tried to teach people over the years, and I'm moving on to that seasoned citizen where I've got a whole lot more behind me than I do in front of me, but my experience tells me this.
The law of physics is at work in all areas of life.
And the one thing I know is there is no political solution to this.
We are not going to solve this politically.
So if we can't solve it politically, the law of physics tells me if I'm traveling in one direction and I want to change directions, the first thing I must do is stop.
You cannot change directions without coming to a stop.
And so here is what I believe Until Americans quit playing in this rigged game.
And I wrote this about 20 some years ago, when I was writing for one of the top libertarian sites in the country, and I said, what would happen if they gave an election and nobody came?
Yes.
Because support, support is given by the vote.
It doesn't make any difference who you voted for.
If you vote Democrat, you vote Republican, you vote for the government.
No matter who gets elected, the government always wins.
And, er, who you vote for, the government wins.
And this government is beyond corrupt, and we all know that.
It's corrupt under Republicans, it's corrupt under Democrats.
It's a totally corrupt government.
I make this analogy.
If you were sitting in a game with your life savings in Vegas, And suddenly you realized that it was a crooked game.
That there was no way at all to win.
Would you stay in that game hoping for an honest dealer before you lost everything you had?
Or would you just say, no, I'm not playing anymore?
Yeah, the problem with the analogy, Mike, is that it's flawed by the fact that we're talking about the whole country and the future of the country and what we can do.
Leaving the game doesn't seem to me to be a solution.
How do we set things right?
You know, that's the unanswerable question.
In other words, after enough politicians are hanged from lampposts and thrown Uh, you know, thrown over the balconies of the palace, then what do we do?
Okay.
But the first has to occur.
Okay.
If the first does not occur, then there's no point talking about it.
So I agree with Mike in that way, but I also agree with you, Jim.
Uh, you know, obviously, and the point that Mike and I are both making is there's no voting our way out of this.
Okay.
Not until the, the basic structure of government has to change.
And I've made this simple point on the air for 20, 20 plus years and different talk shows and the conversations with people.
You cannot have a system where lawmakers just get to make any law they want and all of a sudden it becomes law.
No, the people decide what's law, just like the jury.
The jury decides guilt and innocence and also the jury has the power to decide matters of law.
Now, nowadays, judges lie and they don't tell them they have that power, but they do.
It's never been taken away from them.
The people have the right to govern themselves, which means we decide what is a law and what isn't.
Congress can suggest any law at once.
As a friend of mine who mentored me back in the 80s once said, Congress can write any legal fiction it desires, doesn't mean it applies to me.
And in many ways he was correct.
What a lot of people don't realize is the jurisdiction of Washington, D.C.
does not extend beyond its boundary.
People don't know this.
It only extends to your corporate fiction legal name.
So if you don't want these things to apply to you, they don't.
And I've demonstrated this in my life.
With income tax and every other manner of things, but people don't realize this.
These governors have no authority.
The courts have shown us this, but people still walk around thinking that the county health officer can mandate them to mandate you.
I mean, as I said to more than one person, and I've yet to get any response, all I get is blank looks when I say, okay, if the governor has no authority to make me wear a mask and the courts have ruled this, And if the county health officer has zero authority to make me wear a mask, and the mayor likewise, how can you have any authority to make me wear a mask?
Nobody has an answer.
I think that's all good, Paul, and I've admired your tenacity in dealing with this issue.
Let's bring in another voice here, Mitchell, who's been listening to every word we've had to say, and even skipped two breaks so we could continue our conversation.
Join the conversation, please, Mitchell, and share your thoughts.
Hey, Jim, Mike and Paul.
Well, you know, we have to change government.
You can't change a political party because, let's face it, they're nonprofit corporations beholden to themselves, as the DNC said in court in Florida when they were sued by Bernie Sanders supporters.
Until the until people walk away from those from that duopoly power structure that was really the Federalists before the Civil War, the Democrat-Republican parties, you know, they were joined at the hip before the Civil War, and that's what split them apart.
You know, as far as, you know, confronting Democrats, You know, the first thing I would ask a Democrat is why the Democrat Party is not buried at the Appomattox Courthouse with, you know, their president, Jefferson Davis, or, you know, in a proverbial sense.
So go ahead.
But it's it's really Orwellian where we're at right now.
Mike.
Well, gentlemen, thanks, Mitchell.
I appreciate that insight.
I have a question for this esteemed group.
Has there ever in the history of man been a government that did not eventually evolve to this point?
I don't know.
I would say no.
It has eventually been corrupted by powers that should not be That actually revert back to the banks and, you know, the corporations.
Well, a simple synopsis, I believe, is this.
All governments begin protecting one group of people from another.
Let's say the criminals from the honest people.
Governments begin on that premise, but they all evolve into protecting themselves from everybody.
And that's where we are with this government today, in my opinion.
Right.
And just briefly, I'm going to throw into that, because I know, Jim, you probably did not watch the Corporation of Nation Masters, which was interesting only, not so much because of the concept of governments and municipalities, they're all corporations.
That's an interesting side note.
But they covered in that the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, which have been exposed by many people.
And as you may all not be surprised to hear, but this documentary which I shared with everybody, including Jim, called The Corporation Nation Master, which is an absolute masterpiece, he shows how these governments, okay, and the people that control them and benefit by them have been sequestering money for so many decades in such vast quantities you can't even imagine it.
There's no need to tax us anymore.
They have so much wealth, producing more wealth, and they've invested in outright ownership of stocks and currencies, and in many cases, outright ownership of countries, right?
It's so bloated now, you can't even conceive of it.
So I would highly recommend, Jim or anybody listening that hasn't seen the Corporation Nation Master to watch it.
It's three hours, it takes a while to go through it, but you will clearly see That this thing has become so, it's like a gigantic monster.
It's become so gargantuan that you can't even imagine how much money they have stolen from us.
And yet, every state, including California, periodically comes out with these bond measures saying, oh, we need money to fix the roads.
We need money to fix the schools.
We need more money.
Meanwhile, they have so many billions and billions of dollars that they don't even know what to do with it.
They pay money managers.
Well, Jim, that is an extremely tough question.
and fees to manage their money.
That was the point I set out earlier.
That's all just fine.
I want to return to Mike and get his answer to my question.
What should be done?
Well, Jim, that is an extremely tough question.
I have chosen, and we are individuals, there is no right bestowed by our Creator, endowed
by our Creator, or even mentioned in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
There are no collective rights.
All rights are individual by nature.
And we have, I believe, to act as individuals collectively to say, we will not tolerate this any longer.
And here is the point, and I've made this on several occasions, and Paul, I appreciate very much because I haven't put on a mask yet, and I will not.
And I have encountered the same things you have encountered, and I'm just, if I go to the door and they tell me I can't come in, I go somewhere else.
And if I have to go to an old country store, which there are several in my area, to shop maskles, that's where I'll spend my money.
But good for you.
The point of it is, I believe, and let's just stop and think one third of the American population.
If 100 million people said tomorrow, I'm not wearing a mask.
What if 100 million people tomorrow said, I'm not moving from where I am?
I'm not going to work.
I'm not going to drive a truck.
I'm not going to show up for work.
I'm not going to do anything until this government does some kind of reform to represent the people.
And if only one third of the people would do that, I think we would have a dramatic change because at least the powers that would that be would see that, hey, there is a resistance out there right now.
They don't believe there is a resistance.
They believe resistance is token.
They don't believe there's enough people to actually matter.
And sadly, I must agree with it.
You know, this is the thing I've been saying for so long, and I wholeheartedly agree, Mike.
I mean, non-participation, right?
Just ignoring these people.
Disobedience has always been the best answer, and it's non-violent.
And it would clearly show that they have no authority at all.
But here's the thing that so frustrates me, and this is just on the heels of the story about what happened to me last night that I just told.
It's on the way into the store.
They put the big things of fruit outside, so I was picking through some oranges.
These guys were coming up to the store, two men, and I hear them talking.
And one of the men's saying about, oh yeah, you know, you'll own nothing at all and you'll be happy and blah, blah, blah.
Saying such things as that.
I hear this, okay, these guys are aware.
And they're putting their mask on.
I have no mask on.
And I say, hey, you guys, if you want, this store basically, they never bother me.
I walk in this store and every other store without a mask.
Most of the time, nobody says anything.
And when they do, I just, I tell them there's no law and I just deal with it.
And they go, yeah, yeah, no, we, uh, We, we pretty much, uh, agree with you on that stuff.
And they're walking in the store with a mask.
I said, so, well, you can take the mask off, you know, anytime you want.
And the one guy says something to me about, well, keep up the fight, brother.
And I said, well, I'm not, I don't really fight anybody.
I haven't fought anybody yet.
I'm just being free.
And sure enough, during their whole visit, during, in the store, they were both wearing masks and I wasn't.
And I said some parting words as they were checking out.
I said to him, I go, well, just, if you take away anything from our conversation tonight, It starts in the mind.
It starts in the mind.
Just be free in your mind.
And they said, OK, well, yeah, thank you.
And they walked out of the store wearing their mask.
And this has been my experience over and over again.
A good friend of mine, very, very Catholic, who taught me back in the 90s about Jewish power.
He wears a mask.
He's my friend.
You know, I'm angry about it, but I don't show him my anger.
This is what we're dealing with.
People are weak and afraid.
And this is, Jim, partially my explanation for my Not so much my arrogance or my obnoxiousness as part of it, but my anger.
Okay?
Because people, I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Paul, I think you've done a wonderful job today of laying out your position.
I think Having a colleague, Mike, here with a similar view gave you an additional opportunity to be very, very clear, which I greatly appreciate.
Mitchell, I'd like to take the opportunity for further thoughts from you.
We're drawing near.
Do you see any prospect Of the possibility of a nonviolent resolution of these issues, and then I'll add my own thoughts.
Yours, Mitchell.
Well, if Republicans, or which I have very little hope for, which I didn't vote, you know, I support Donald Trump 150%, but I never voted for Donald Trump.
Because he was a Republican, because he was part of that club of that duopoly.
Yeah, we can change this government until we get people who are vocal and standing up against these people.
Everybody has essentially cowered down because they're professional politicians.
And the professional political class knows they have to go along.
They have to suck ass.
They have to kiss ass to get anywhere.
And, you know, Jim, it's just like in the military.
You know, I was getting ready to get out and, you know, Captain Tampone or a.k.a.
Captain Tampon called me in his office and he says, We'll give you E4 and then, you know, we'll let you reenlist for E5.
I said, no, sir, I'm I'm getting out.
But, you know, I you could it's a stay in line, keep your mouth shut, you know, and just do as you're told.
And I'm sorry, you know, they can kiss my ass.
And that's one reason why I'm not going to give up trying to get on the ballot.
And push to run for Congress or in some political office at the federal level.
Really, we can make a difference, but Republicans or, you know, the people that are patriotic Republicans that are like in the party, either the third that would go with Trump or half.
Until they stand up and start raising hell, not going to change shit.
Well, I think you've all done a wonderful job of presenting your views about as lucidly as I could possibly have wanted.
I think the audience must appreciate it tremendously.
If I understand the situation correctly, and I fully admit that I'm fallible and maybe mistaken, Trump actually did sign the Insurrection Act on the 9th of January, which was a few days after the staged attack on the Capitol.
The military really has been in control.
There are many signs that that's the case.
Biden appears to have been locked out of the White House.
He's been ordered not to set foot on Pentagon property.
Not only is he not saluting the Marines, where we had this absurdity where he's being told everything to do when he was told to salute the Marines, he not only did not salute, but he blurted out, salute the Marines.
Meanwhile, more tellingly, the Marines are not saluting him.
They're using a plane they didn't need and is contrary to the Green New Deal because it has so many emissions to fly him from Washington to Delaware.
But it was all staged.
It's not Air Force One.
It's a plane made up to look like Air Force One.
It seems to have a phony seal of the president on the door.
And when he enters there, yes, he's saluted by two men who are firemen.
These are not members of the U.S. military.
We also have multiple indications that the events taking place in the Oval Office are
not taking place in the Oval Office, but on a soundstage somewhere, whether it's in Culver
City or not is another matter on the Castle Rock set.
But it appears to me we got plenty of indications that this is fabricated in faith.
I believe That there has been a hesitancy to exercise the authority that the military now possesses from the point of view of history.
But in fact, I think that's an indulgence that can no longer be sustained, that the
Democrats are moving so aggressively to try to tarnish Trump with a completely manufactured
allegation of incitement to insurrection, where there was no incitement, which has to
be specific and with intent.
He said just peaceably and patriotically protest, which was a milder statement by far than we've
had from many Democrats, including Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, and even Nancy Pelosi.
The event at the Capitol was totally staged and manufactured.
They knew in advance it was coming.
It took place.
We have a video that I thought would actually be the focus of our show today, but has proven not to be, where you're up close and personal inside the crowd and you can see the managers directing people what they should do.
I mean, this leaves no doubt about it whatsoever.
Not the least most remote.
Now, Trump has had a completely incompetent Attorney make his opening statement.
It was really a waste of time and effort.
All they had to do was show the footage of Donald Trump speaking at the Ellipse, and it would have been obvious that this was no incitement There never was any signs of an insurrection, which is an attempt to overthrow the government of the United States.
Only someone indulging in fantasy would claim that what was taking place there was an attempt to overthrow the government of the United States.
It appears James, a brother of John Sullivan, was right when he said that his brother had led 226 Antifa members there.
But they were getting plenty of instructions.
It was in collusion with the Capitol Police.
Nancy Pelosi runs the Capitol Police.
Nancy Pelosi was crucial here.
And I will not be surprised if Mitch McConnell, who turns out to be some kind of traitor, was also complicit in managing all these events.
I only hope that the military will act on behalf of the American people to take control.
And if, as is taking place in Myanmar, formerly Burma, they're going to run another election and return control to civilians, I think that would be a successful outcome with paper ballots and hand counts.
I want to thank you, Mike and Paul and Mitchell.
You are terrific.
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