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The Raw Deal (4 December 2020) with Edward Hendrie (1st hour) and Rolf Lindgren (2nd)

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	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, where we're already deriving benefits from my new schedule of Monday, Wednesday, Friday, because there was a significant report out yesterday I found very disturbing.
	Pro-Trump attorneys Sidney Powell and Ellyn Wood are urging Georgians to boycott the state's upcoming U.S.
	Senate races.
	Unless officials change the voting systems to guarantee election security, claiming that voter fraud is so widespread that their ballots would not be counted fairly.
	Powell and Wood have spearheaded legal challenges to the results of the November 3rd election, echoing President Trump's allegations that the results of his race against Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden were rigged nationwide.
	The lawyers The story continues.
	They have acted on their own outside the Trump campaign, however, which distanced itself from Powell after she claimed during a campaign press conference that electronic voting systems throughout the country were manipulated as part of a broad conspiracy involving foreign countries.
	During a stop-the-steal rally for Trump supporters in Georgia Wednesday, Powell and Wood both use their speaking time to discourage attendees from showing up to the polls next month in the critical re-election race for sitting Republican Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue.
	Let me now add the following observations.
	The two primary stratagems involved here are, number one, going to the state legislatures to hold hearings to explain Exactly how vast has been the manipulation of the vote and the fraud that's committed.
	That is being conducted by Rudy Giuliana and Jenna Ellis.
	Rudy, in my opinion, is doing a magnificent job.
	Any apprehensions I may have had about him from the past are being resolved now by his performance.
	Jenna is completely brilliant.
	The other strategy carrying the case to the Supreme Court is being borne by Lin Wood and by Sidney Powell, and where we have other stories reporting about how, for example, Lin Wood is making post after post, tweet after tweet that have been brilliant and on the mark, And now he has a new report.
	The color revolution has been foiled and people are going to jail.
	I'm very interested in sorting this out and invited back Ed Hendry, who is an attorney by trade and has been following this very closely.
	Ed, welcome back to The Raw Deal.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead and lay us out what you think about your concerns.
	I know On its face, it's very, very troubling.
	On the other hand, I really find it inconceivable that Lin Wood and Sidney Powell are betraying Trump.
	I don't believe that, which leads me to wonder what's going on.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, I believe that Sidney Powell is sincere, okay?
	And I am concerned About what Lin Wood said at the rally.
	It makes no sense.
	It is to tell, and by the way, this is a rally that was attended by Republicans, and his advice is,
	you know, I lose you.
	Did I lose you?
	Okay, his advice is we're going to get back with Ed.
	We had this problem before.
	I'm going to continue then with other reports about the news where also during the second
	hour we'll get further.
	Adam, we got your back?
	Yeah, I don't know what's happening.
	It seems like every time that we have a connection with your show, I get disconnected.
	I don't know what's going on.
	And I get it, I get it.
	There are those who try to interrupt everything I do.
	So, just proceed.
	Go ahead, tell us what Lin Wood actually said that to you made no sense at all.
	Well, his advice was that the voters boycott the runoff election, and that makes no sense.
	Why?
	Why would he say something like that?
	He said this, and I'm quoting.
	If they do not, and he's talking about address the voter fraudulent allegations, he says, Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, if they do not do it, they have not earned your vote.
	Don't you give it to them.
	Why would you go back and vote in another rigged election?
	Fix it.
	You gotta fix it before we'll do it again.
	And then he goes on and he's basically telling them, do not, do not vote.
	He's, he's eviscerating the Republican vote.
	And by doing that, he's guaranteeing that the Democratic senators will be elected.
	Why?
	Why would he do that?
	This is very mysterious.
	Now.
	Breitbart has come out with information that apparently he has been a longtime Democrat supporter, both with funds and voting in Democratic primaries.
	Now, he has not denied that.
	He has not denied that.
	His response was to say that he had given money to a Trump political action committee to the tune of $375,000.
	Fine.
	And that he also solicited a $25,000 donation and gave it to, I think it was Purdue, and he gave $5,600 to Doug Collins, okay, who's a Republican.
	Okay, I'm sorry, $5,600.
	All right, fine.
	All right, fine.
	But he did not address the fact that in 2006, 2008, 2010, 2018 primary elections, he voted
	in those Democratic primary elections.
	The state records show that.
	Now, obviously the state records can't show what his vote is.
	That would be improper.
	But the fact that he voted in Democratic primaries, and I don't believe there's any record of him ever voting in a Republican primary, he's a Democrat.
	So here we have somebody who is a Democrat who has not denied revelations of his financial support For Democratic politicians now working to rectify the voter fraud.
	And what does he do?
	He comes out and undermines the election campaigns of Republican Senators.
	That is very odd behavior.
	It harkens back to some of the things that Roy Cohn did to Joe McCarthy.
	You know, Roy Cohn was actually very much pro-communist.
	He very much thought that the campaign against communists in the government was a witch hunt and part of a right-wing conspiracy.
	He said that.
	In 1949, he openly called anti-communism as a witch hunt and said Alger Hiss was a victim of a right-wing conspiracy.
	That's in 1949.
	Now, suddenly, okay, he ends up as Joe McCarthy's right-hand man.
	How did he get there?
	Well, he was recommended to McCarthy by a guy named George Sikorsky.
	Now, George Sikorsky, okay, Who, by the way, was referred to by Cohen as his rabbi, all right?
	He went to Russia with a large number of other Jews to help the Bolshevik Revolution.
	He was the editor of the English-language communist newspaper, okay?
	After he left, he went to China as a journalist on behalf of the communist revolutionary leader there.
	He claimed that his communist activities were all just a useful mistake.
	However, when you look at what he did when he suddenly switched sides and became a right-wing conservative, he repeatedly misdirected anti-communist movement efforts into blind alleys, false hopes, confusion, and so Lin Wood would be in a perfect position Okay, to undermine the efforts of Republicans.
	This is very much a partisan issue.
	This is clearly a partisan issue.
	And if he's a partisan who's a Democrat, what is he doing working so closely with Sidney Powell?
	Sidney Powell might be just like Joe McCarthy and be duped.
	And by the way, it was after this that Joe McCarthy realized I think he was duped.
	And some of his speeches, he alluded to that.
	Okay.
	We see the same thing that happened to Jim Garrison in his trial when he was prosecuting, who was it?
	Who was it he was prosecuting for the involvement in the assassination of President Kennedy?
	Oh, you're talking about Clay Shaw.
	Clay Shaw, that's right.
	And what happened, as you recall, during that trial?
	He called a witness to the stand, and how that witness got to be a witness is really kind of a mystery.
	And it turns out that the witness was a plant designed to undermine the legitimacy of the trial.
	And it turns out that the opposing counsel knew just the questions to ask to reveal that the witness was a little loony.
	Basically, the witness admitted that he fingerprinted his daughter when she left the house to go to college, and then fingerprinted her again when she returned to make sure she hadn't been replaced.
	Okay?
	So, I mean, very strange behavior, and Garrison was dumbfounded.
	He knew nothing about this, but opposing counsel certainly knew about it.
	Somebody on his team prodded him to call that witness.
	So, Sidney Powell has to be very concerned, okay, about who's on her team.
	And just recently, if you recall, some of the media were chuckling over the fact that there were some Pretty basic misspellings in the title of her brief that she filed in one of her filings.
	Well, when I looked at that, those misspellings, to me, it seemed to be the type of thing that would be like a dirty trick.
	Somebody from the inside was doing that on purpose.
	And throughout her brief, there were spaces missing and so forth.
	Now they were shortly thereafter corrected, but how do you how do you misspell?
	You know, I think it was simple things like the word district and so forth.
	It was clear these things.
	To me looked like sabotage.
	OK, and so she has to be concerned that her efforts might be sabotage.
	But Lynn Woods.
	Statement at that.
	At that rally, we're rather puzzling.
	My understanding, according to Breitbart News, is that Donald Trump personally called Lin Wood and Sidney Powell to tell them not to give that kind of advice.
	Okay.
	So now Sidney Powell, of course, she's, you know, a very courageous woman.
	But understand this, there's a certain loneliness in that courage, and so she finds a certain sucker in the fact that Lin Wood, another powerful attorney, has come alongside her.
	Well, she has to be very careful.
	She has to be very careful that he's not, you know, doing something to undermine her efforts.
	And I think his statement the other day is evidence that, you know, maybe that's what's happening here.
	Oh, Ed, I think you're making wonderful points.
	It raises huge red flags.
	I couldn't agree more.
	Because we're doing another double feature today, because Rolf Lindengren will be on the second hour to talk about developments here in Wisconsin, I want to open the Call-in lines for the second half hour of each of the hours.
	In other words, after the break, we'll take your calls already to talk with me and Ed Hendry about Linwood and Sidney Powell and this presentation they made to not participate in the vote.
	I agree, Ed, on its face.
	It's completely absurd, contradictory, makes no sense at all.
	The number to call in, 540-352-4452.
	540-352-4452. Now, the president is going down to Georgia, Ed, and I don't think anyone
	who is an enthusiast about Trump, which includes, by the way, a very substantial percentage
	of Democrats as well as Independents, and many blacks and Latinos, and Georgia has a
	very substantial black population, which I believe is one of the principal reasons they
	went so far out of their way to steal the election and did a massive, massive, massive
	Massive overload.
	It wasn't very subtle.
	I, in fact, have a comment that Roger Stone made the observation on an Infowars interview that, in his opinion, the Democrats and the powers wanting Biden in totally overplayed their hand.
	Not just in the scope of the fraud, but the fact that they claim there is no evidence of any voter fraud.
	If they were smarter, in Rogers' opinion, they would say something to the effect that, sure, there was some voter fraud, but nothing unusual compared to past elections.
	By insisting on the no evidence position, they really incriminate themselves.
	I think Rogers got that spot on, Ed.
	Would you not agree?
	Well, yeah, but see, here's the thing.
	Voter fraud has been going on for decades.
	There's a website, blackboxvoting.org.
	I think it's dot org.
	Let me check that.
	I recommend that that I mean, yes, blackboxvoting.org, which has all kinds of information about electronic voting.
	Electronic voting has always had issues.
	OK.
	Uh, and so one of the reasons they wanted to distance themselves from Sidney Powell is the fact that she actually is revealing systemic issues with electronic voting.
	There are politicians that are in office in Washington and state politicians who are there by virtue of voter fraud committed by the very systems that now she's attacking.
	Well, they don't want that to happen.
	They know they don't deserve to be in office on both Republican and Democratic sides.
	Think about it.
	If you could determine with a flip of a switch whether somebody is elected or not, you have complete control over the politician who's ultimately elected.
	What power that would be!
	And there are people in office who know they don't belong there.
	And this has been going on for a long time.
	What happened in this election is that Trump won by a landslide.
	It wasn't even close.
	And so they, with all the efforts they planned ahead of time, they realized they had to do something to increase the votes for Biden by an exponential, by a great deal more than they ever expected.
	So what happened in the 2016 election was that they had it set up to rig there as well.
	But Trump won by such a great margin that their rigging wasn't enough.
	See, Hillary Clinton had a lukewarm, very tepid campaign.
	Why?
	Well, she knew things were rigged.
	She knew it was rigged.
	The problem is the rigging wasn't enough.
	He won by such a landslide that they couldn't rig it enough.
	Well, this time, this time, he actually won by more over Biden.
	And by the way, one clue, one clue that this was rigged and Biden knew it was rigged is look at his complete refusal to campaign.
	Biden had no campaign.
	He had very few campaign stops, very few campaign appearances.
	He never submitted to any questioning.
	His campaign was a complete sham.
	Why?
	Because he knew he didn't have to.
	He knew the fix was in.
	This has been going on for years.
	This rigging has been going on for years.
	These electronic voting booths, okay, are so vulnerable to rigging, and they've been vulnerable to rigging for years.
	Oh, Ed, you're 100% correct.
	And remember, I mean, that's why they overplayed their hand.
	And that's why they had to make the adjustment at 3 or 4 a.m.
	in the morning to get that massive dump to support Biden.
	They had once again underestimated the turnout for Trump.
	And as you observe a massive landslide, by my calculation, Trump won Biden by 50 million votes or more.
	I mean, it wasn't remotely close.
	I mean, the whole situation is so absurd.
	I therefore really like Roger's point that by denying there was any fraud that this was a perfect election, they have impaled themselves because the amount of evidence coming out before the legislatures is simply massive.
	We had a Georgia case where after they shut down for the night, Four of the workers pulled out boxes of ballots that had been underneath the table and began processing them all for Biden, went on for hours, and all captured on CCTV.
	You could hardly have a more powerful proof of corruption.
	So given this is being presented to the legislatures, it was a wonderful Presentation made by a woman attorney.
	I think the legislatures are going to be hard pressed not to assume the responsibility of sending the appropriate electors to the electoral college, and they will be Trump electors.
	That is my anticipation.
	I also believe Ed, that what they hear from Sidney and from Lin Wood is going to be overshadowed completely when the president comes down and tells everyone to vote.
	Everyone will listen to Donald Trump.
	No one will listen to Lin Wood and Sidney Powell.
	That's my take.
	Yours?
	Yeah, and the problem with Sidney Powell is she's kind of hurt her credibility by hooking up with Lin Wood.
	That's the problem.
	I believe that she is sincere.
	But she has, you know, she she does have sort of a blind spot.
	She trusts people too much.
	I mean, she trusted Judge Sullivan at one time until Judge Sullivan went off the rails.
	And and by the way, the powers that be are so powerful that even the attorney general has come out and said that he viewed the elections as being honest elections.
	I can't remember the exact words he said, but that man should be fired immediately.
	He's a liar.
	He's a liar and a fraud himself.
	He's part of a deep state.
	Of course he is.
	And that's where I think that this trap that Trump set with his executive order of last
	12 September 2018 is going to have a huge, huge sweep.
	Remember, he promised to drain the swamp.
	I believe this is the mechanism by means of which he's going to fulfill that promise.
	Ed, we're about to hit the break.
	I can't tell you how happy I am to have you back today.
	You've done a super job of laying out the issues.
	Again, I repeat, we're going to be taking calls For Ed and me now, after the break, about these issues, and then the second hour.
	Rolf will be on for the first half hour.
	We'll take further questions a second.
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	And yeah, we're going to get back to your host.
	So do we have any callers here, Mitchell, who want to join us?
	I would be glad to take your thoughts yourself, Mitchell.
	I'm fascinated by the situation we're in.
	Please.
	Oh, absolutely, Jim.
	Yeah, no callers yet.
	But yeah, we are really seeing these multiple anomalies, fraud within the voting system.
	And, you know, they're spread out across really the key Swing states.
	It's not a mistake.
	And, you know, this so far, you know, the Republicans have essentially done, you know, a cursory overview and not an in-depth investigation into all of the voter fraud.
	You know, the the biggest category for voter fraud would really be people that never vote.
	That were automatically registered and sent a mail-in ballot, but somehow voted.
	What's your take?
	It seems to me an attorney of the prominence of Lin Wood, if he turns out to be a turncoat to destroy Trump, that his own reputation in turn will be destroyed.
	I'm therefore very, very puzzled about it.
	Ed has made so many excellent points about why this is the damnedest, most peculiar I think he could possibly have done.
	And he's observed that Trump himself has called Lynn and Sidney to tell them, don't say those things.
	And of course, I think that people won't respond.
	They'll find it very peculiar.
	And when Trump comes down and tells them to turn out in mass, they're going to turn out in mass.
	I expect an overwhelming vote in Georgia for Trump.
	And because they know about all the ways these elections are stolen.
	These are going to be the most closely scrutinized elections in American history.
	Ed, Ed, your thoughts?
	Yeah, well, interesting when you look at Lin Wood's statement, okay?
	Here's what he said when Breitbart revealed all of his voting in the Democratic primary, okay?
	He said, Breitbart is dishonest.
	He said, historically, I am nonpartisan.
	This year I was partisan because I love Donald Trump.
	Okay.
	Now let's take that apart.
	He says, historically, I am nonpartisan.
	Well, it's not really nonpartisan to vote in the Democratic primary and to not vote in the Republican primary.
	He can't, of course, once he's a registered Democrat, I don't think you're allowed to.
	Okay.
	But I, I don't, each state's different that way, but, but that's a, those are stated.
	Those are facts.
	That's from the, Ed, let me interrupt you.
	How did that voting record become public?
	I did not know voting records were made public as a rule.
	That's not really true.
	Historically, he's partisan.
	He's a Democrat.
	Ed, let me interrupt you.
	How did that voting record become public?
	I did not know voting records were made public as a rule.
	Therefore, could this record actually be a contrivance, a manufactured record to smear
	Lin Wood?
	Well, understand this, that it doesn't tell what the vote is.
	It simply tells whether the person voted.
	For example, my voting record, when I vote in an election, it shows I voted.
	It doesn't show who I voted for.
	The fact that you voted is, I believe, a public record.
	Well, that's what I'm asking about.
	By the way, Mitchell, my producer, whom I invited to join us in, has himself been active in politics in Virginia.
	And he knows a lot about campaign fraud and malfeasance from his own personal experience.
	Yeah.
	No, I'm assuming that these are public records.
	Yes, they're public records.
	Yeah, the fact that you voted in an election, I believe that that is, and I've seen this before, and so here we have him on record in a Democratic primary.
	Voting in 2006, 2008, 2010, 2018 in the Democratic primary.
	And he says, historically, I am nonpartisan.
	Well, is that true?
	Apparently there is record of him donating to Democratic politicians.
	Now, By the way, he did reveal also that he has also donated to Republicans.
	In fact, he said that he donated $375,000 to a Trump political action committee.
	And they also donated to $25,000, I believe it would have been to Purdue.
	And they also donated to $25,000, I believe it would have been to Purdue.
	Okay. But I don't, I can't understand that.
	I mean, sometimes people will do things in order to establish their bona fides.
	Okay.
	I mean, you see that with politicians all the time.
	And I don't know what he's doing here.
	Okay.
	But he's a chameleon at the very least.
	Kent, I mean, is he unprincipled?
	Is he completely unprincipled so that he can flip-flop from Democrat to Republican like that?
	I mean, the planks for the Republican Party is so different from that of the Democratic Party, particularly on social issues like abortion.
	I don't know how you can flip-flop back and forth like that.
	Mitchell, let me bring you in and then I'll bring in Paul.
	Go ahead, Mitchell.
	Well, you know, Lin Wood, you know, he really kind of been he's really been mishandling the the shooting case with the young kid.
	I forgot his name.
	Kyle Rittenhouse.
	Yeah, Kyle Rittenhouse.
	And, you know, it seems that he's a publicity hound.
	Uh, more than, you know, the, um, the detailed cross, you know, um, cover your ass, make sure your everything is right.
	Um, type of, type of, uh, lawyer right now.
	Um, maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
	I, I don't know.
	Um, you know, I see these two different tracks of, um, Of attacks against the system, one with Rudy and then one with Linwood and Sidney Powell, and they could actually split into three fronts of attack on the system.
	You know, one being more conspiratorial than the other, and the other bringing in the facts and the other one just, you know, doing the dog whistling.
	But it does seem like it's a, um, that Linwood has, gosh, you know, why would you say don't vote in the primary?
	That's just important to swing the Senate.
	I mean, why would you say something like that?
	Let me bring in Paul for his opinion and take Paul join the conversation.
	You know, the most interesting thing that Mitch just said was, maybe he is, and maybe he isn't.
	And it just reminded me of, you know, so many of these memes that you see over the years, you know, of Shlomo Goldenstein-Berg in the shadows, you know, the caricature, rubbing his little hands together going, yeah, keep them guessing, keep them guessing.
	You know, this is exactly why, I'm sorry gentlemen, but I'm just going to say something once again that fits.
	This is exactly why Henry Ford used to give a copy of the International Jew with every purchase of a Ford automobile.
	Because that is the eternal problem and it couldn't be more obvious than it is today.
	The only thing I know about Lin Wood is he's suspicious.
	Right.
	And maybe that's the way it's supposed to be.
	I read something about him pretty quickly regarding the Kyle Rittenhouse incident, which some people were saying was an op and that Linwood was basically an asset, one of these guys that just kind of shows up and, you know, does whatever he's supposed to do.
	That's kind of the way I would think about Barr.
	You know, why on earth would Trump appoint Barr to begin with?
	Because, you know, Barr was in the Bush senior administration, right?
	Similar to many other people that he's appointed.
	You just kind of question it.
	Why does he not know better?
	Those are all good, good, good issues, Paul.
	Let me invite Ed to respond to the myth.
	Yeah, well, it's it's the people that surround Uh, Trump.
	Okay.
	And there's no doubt that probably his cabinet has been infiltrated and the people that advise him.
	I mean, that's, that's the president.
	Uh, you know, when, when they first take office, um, they're like a babe in the woods.
	In fact, uh, I think, uh, who was it?
	Woodrow Wilson was described as a babe in the woods by his handlers.
	And what happened with John Kennedy was that after the Bay of Pigs, his eyes were opened and he realized he wasn't really in charge.
	Okay.
	And that, um, things went bad when he decided to take charge.
	So he decided, okay, I'm going to take charge and actually be president.
	And the consequences, okay, were, uh, in Daily Plaza.
	So, uh, Trump may, His eyes may be open, and we can hope for that, where he suddenly realizes he's been duped.
	And the fact that he was convinced to appoint Barr, whoever did that to him, somebody gave him bad advice, but whoever's doing that are his handlers, people that, who knows, they're in that position because they have connections, financial connections, usually, okay?
	A politician, I mean, their lifeblood is money.
	And so they will tend to bend towards where the money flows.
	And so while everybody talks about him being a billionaire, he's not financially independent.
	He's not at all.
	And so you can't really trust any of these politicians.
	And a lot of them are somewhat unprincipled.
	I remember John Kennedy was completely unprincipled, but he suddenly decided to have principles.
	And that's what we can hope for with Trump, that he suddenly decides to have principles.
	Well, I'll come back to that.
	From what I know of JFK, he was one of the most principled or ordinary uses of that term because of his sexual dalliances that might use to argue against it.
	But in my opinion, you're mistaken about Jack.
	And that's why he was taken out.
	Trump has had all these years.
	Remember, he was under assault before his inauguration.
	He knows what he's up against.
	He laid the trap.
	With the executive order of 12 September 2018, I believe he's going to close it.
	Brew has joined us.
	Brew, join the conversation.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah, as far as why was Barr appointed, well, he needed to get somebody in there, nobody easier trying to get through the Senate and get it quick, because he needed to fill a position, was to use Barr.
	And who suggested him?
	Joe Dijonaba suggested him.
	So it was a recommendation from that particular fellow.
	There's your answers.
	Well, you know, you may be unenthusiastic about Joe Dijonaba.
	I've followed him for a very long time.
	I believe that he and his wife, Victoria Tenzing, are very principled, care about the United States, and were giving what they felt was their best advice.
	Brew?
	Paul?
	Paul?
	Yeah, so it just makes the point of what I've made so many times on the show and other places, that it's the reason why not only most Americans can't be blamed for, you know, not caring about politics, but it's sort of, like I said, it makes the case, you know, the amount of mental and emotional energy that it takes, as well as time to just keep up on this, to keep up on the details.
	It just wears people out and they just don't care anymore.
	But see, Trump has sort of proved that people will care and do care if they believe in somebody, and he says the sort of things they want to hear.
	This is what Trump did in 2016, and this is what he continues to do from time to time, even though now and then he throws a monkey wrench in some of the other stuff.
	So, you know, again, it's just going to be, are we going to be let down and have the rug pulled out from us again?
	You know, it's this tension that they like to keep going.
	And if Trump doesn't do anything, if he doesn't really take power, and by take power I mean
	try people, kill people, hang people, put him in front of firing squads, you know, do
	the kind of stuff that Kennedy needed to do.
	I mean, Kennedy was a grown man.
	He should have known what was going on.
	And the mistake that Kennedy made historically was not to either arrest or kill his enemies.
	This is what politics is about, unfortunately.
	So if Trump doesn't do this- It's easier to say these things in retrospect, of course.
	Ed, your further thoughts?
	Ed, your further thoughts?
	Well, I was just looking through DeGeneva.
	Apparently there are some conflicts of interest with his wife, okay?
	My understanding is she was connected with some of the people in the Mueller team.
	So, I don't know anything about him, alright?
	So, but, yeah.
	How Barr got, I mean, he, I question A lot of things Barr has done.
	For example, his position that the investigation that they're doing up in New York, that that be, I guess they sandbagged that and we're not going to do anything prior to the election.
	I don't think it would have made a difference because I think the landslide was, I mean, it was clear.
	All you had to do was look at when Biden, when Biden had an event, they never showed the crowd.
	Why?
	There wasn't a crowd.
	There was a smattering of people.
	You look at the difference between that and the stops at which Trump had his rallies with thousands of people there.
	Very reminiscent of the distinction between him and Hillary Clinton in 2016, only more so.
	Yes, yes.
	Yes, Mitchell, your further thoughts?
	Well, you know, we always knew this voter fraud was there.
	Um, it was never been, it's never been detailed and we never had the mail-in balloting the way we do.
	So, you know, I, I believe a lot of times, you know, what happens is, um, you know, it's the boiling frog syndrome is, you know, there was just so much gradual cheating in the election system and nobody looked at it.
	Nobody checked it.
	And then all of a sudden, somebody pumped a bunch of money into it, put it on steroids, and there you are.
	You have a third world election system here in the United States.
	Yes, yes, indeed.
	Paul, your further thoughts?
	Well, the other interesting point I'll bring up, and I think it's, in my opinion, pretty solid ground is I was listening to a show the other day.
	And they were discussing essentially Dominion and all the other, you know, associated shenanigans that have gone on.
	And there wasn't really any other thing to conclude that with the history of Dominion and, you know, the people that were involved in setting it up that it had to be one of these CIA shell companies, these CIA fronts.
	And that, you know, if anybody should, you know, be aware of anything, it's that the intelligence community had to be involved in this.
	So therefore, Trump's got to know that the swamp is extensive.
	So again, as we've discussed on your show, Jim, many times, Trump has got to take down the media.
	He's got to take down the FBI.
	He's got to take down the CIA.
	If he doesn't, then we're just going to be in the same situation four years from now and four years from now.
	It's just going to continue to get worse.
	So that's been my stance on Trump for a long time.
	I stand by it.
	I agree with all of that, Paul.
	Meanwhile, Sidney has talked about the Dominion machines in Venezuela.
	Allegedly being used by Hugo Chavez to ensure his re-election.
	I think, on the contrary, they were there so the CIA could deny Hugo Chavez.
	And where it appears that Gina Haspel, of all people, was actually in Frankfurt supervising the tabulation of the theft of the election when she was apprehended, I do believe she was wounded.
	There appear to have been five involved in that assault who died because her bodyguards put up a fight.
	Then on the flight down to Gitmo that she decided it was in her best interest to turn state's evidence.
	And as proof of that I would suggest we have what appears to me to be a sham obituary.
	Notice obituaries don't as a rule appear so quickly declaring that she is actually dead.
	among the dear but departed, which is a kind of cover they want to give her to keep her
	from excess pressure or assassination herself.
	Given, if I am correct, she is now outlining everything the agency was doing here, which
	appears to have been massive involvement.
	Brute, Brute, your thoughts?
	Well, I was going to make comments about Lin Wood.
	You know, he defended Richard Jewell for the Olympic bombing case, and he also defended the Ramseys for Jean-Bernay Ramsey's death.
	But there's two points there.
	But hey, but hey, really?
	I mean, I know it was allegedly Haspel was in Frankfurt and all that jazz was being said, but you're saying that there's an actual obituary for her and all this?
	I haven't heard any of this.
	Please elaborate.
	Yeah, I've got it here.
	Let me track it down.
	Well, share it with me, because I haven't heard any of this.
	Maybe anybody else hasn't heard it either, so go ahead.
	First I heard of it.
	Well, that's all right.
	I mean, I don't mind, you know, breaking the news for you guys.
	I mean, that's what I do, is keep up on this stuff constantly.
	I think the idea of a cover story for her death A cover story for her death is perfectly appropriate under the circumstances, assuming in fact she's actually cooperating, as I believe to be the case.
	I'm tracking it down.
	Meanwhile, Ed, your thoughts?
	Well, Paul made a really good point regarding the intelligence agencies involved in Dominion and these voting.
	See, I think that is really the third rail that Sidney Powell was touching on that caused the, um, the Trump team to distance themselves from her.
	Uh, she, she kept mentioning that and I think they said, Ooh, uh, we can't have that.
	Um, and I think that's really, um, that is the truth of it.
	That is probably, they're probably the drafters of it.
	They probably are the ones who are behind it.
	They actually have, I imagine if you did a little research, I mean, they have their private equity funded group out of Silicon Valley called In-Q-Tel, which circulates these types of things.
	And I would be willing to bet you'll find In-Q-Tel's fingerprints all over that software being used by Dominion.
	You know, and of course you have all those mergers and acquisitions, Dominion, I don't know, they bought a bunch of companies, a bunch of software, but it's not just Dominion.
	There are these software vulnerabilities in all of the electronic voting machines.
	And if you don't take strict protocol to prevent that, then you're, I mean, these elections are going to be meaningless.
	With the stroke of a key on a keyboard, you can change an election.
	with the stroke of a key on a keyboard, you can change an election.
	That's how easy it is.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, in response to the challenge, just do an internet search, Gina Haspel Obituary,
	you'll find a half a dozen of them there.
	So I invite you to do it.
	Here's one I've just pulled up.
	It says Gina Sherry Walker Haspel death obituary, cause of death, found dead, dies, passed away.
	Ashland, Kentucky, deputy director.
	Gina Sherry Walker-Haspel was found dead at age of 64 on Tuesday, December 1, 2020.
	Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Gina Sherry Walker-Haspel of Ashland, Kentucky, United States has sadly passed away at the age of 64.
	Her cause and method is yet to be confirmed.
	We are yet to notice the deceased obituary details.
	I mean, it's all there.
	Check it out.
	And I say, this is just the kind of cover story they put out if actually she had turned state's evidence and was cooperating to protect her from being tracked down and assassinated.
	They'll give her A fake identity, if that is how it plays out, if she cooperates and doesn't deserve the death penalty because of her cooperation.
	So, Ru, do you want to add a further thought of yours?
	Yeah, it wasn't a challenge, Jim.
	It's just, you know, we're so inundated with so many rumors.
	We get all this misleading stories.
	People are posting fake stories.
	They post fake pictures.
	They post fake stories.
	They use stories from five and ten years ago and then put different names on it to fool us, to make us look like idiots if we start reporting on it and to discredit us.
	Rue, what I'm saying is this is a fake story.
	This is a fake obituary, but just what you would expect if what else I've been reporting about her having been apprehended in the raid in Frankfurt on the server.
	She was wounded.
	She was being flown to get Mo.
	She was being interrogated and she decided it was in her best interest to lay it all out.
	I believe that's what has happened and that this obituary is a cover story.
	Ed, Ed, your thoughts?
	By the way, I came across something indicating that she was considered by Trump to be appointed CIA director, is that correct?
	Yes, yes.
	Oh my God.
	What happened with that?
	Well, she was appointed CIA director.
	That's what I'm telling you.
	She was there in Frankfurt supervising the Dominion recount after the election against Trump, and she was caught.
	So let me ask a question, just for the fun of it, right?
	I was making a joke.
	Right now, she's probably having cocktails with Jeffrey Epstein.
	Good, good, good.
	We love your jokes, Paul.
	We're almost to the end here with our conversation with Ed.
	I want Ed to get a few more words in.
	Go ahead, Ed.
	Well, I have more than that.
	By the way, I agree with his assessment.
	She's probably not dead.
	And Jeffrey Epstein, just as Jeffrey Epstein's not dead.
	So I agree with that sentiment.
	Yeah, I agree with those both.
	All right, Paul, squeeze in there.
	Okay, so just for the fun of it, Trump's commander in chief, he's been commander in chief.
	How hard would it be to take a division, a very modest force of military, surround the CIA, okay?
	Get in there, seize the computers that they want.
	Tell all the lower people that haven't done anything, go home.
	You're going to get some severance pay.
	You'll find a new career.
	We're on the break.
	Ed, thanks.
	You were great.
	Once again, I can't appreciate you enough.
	You're wonderful.
	Thank you.
	That's just great, but the point is you have to bring the public with you.
	You have to have the opportunity to win the foundation for taking some of the action.
	The public is with Trump.
	Paul, I'm going to quit the book.
	By the way, I have a question about this rating.
	We're on the break.
	Ed, thanks.
	You were great.
	Once again, I can't appreciate you enough.
	You're wonderful.
	Thank you.
	We'll be right back with Rolf Lindgren.
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	You were great.
	Once again, I can't appreciate you enough.
	You're wonderful.
	Thank you.
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	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal. Just in relation to earlier skepticism expressed by
	Paul and perhaps to a lesser extent by Brew, there are many excellent commentators on my blog who debate these very issues.
	One of the best of the best is Will, who just wrote in reply to Ralph Seymour, who suggested that Trump had, he says, RS, how has Trump demonstrated more than other presidents that he has no control?
	Common sense seems to show just the opposite.
	If he was in lockstep with previous administrations, why would he be under attack for the last four years?
	I'll tell you why.
	Because he never joined the club.
	No different from what Ventura has said many, many times.
	He was never part of the club and never played their game.
	If that is not the case, give me a reason for his being an outsider, and please do not tell me it's all part of an act.
	In light of the events of the past four years, that stance would be absolutely irrational.
	I agree with wilt.
	I'm glad to have as my next guest today, my dear friend, Rolf Lindgren, who's going to comment on recent developments in Wisconsin.
	Let me preface that by observing That the state level operation spearheaded by Rudy Giuliani and Gina Ellis seems to be making a lot of headway.
	We have the Trump team presenting CCTV video in Georgia showing On video, after the members who are doing the counting were sent home because they were closing up for the night, they pulled out box after box of ballots.
	Four remained behind and proceeded to process them.
	They were counting the same ballots over and over and over again.
	We also have in Nevada, a witness in Nevada alleging that USB drives were used to alter the totals in Nevada.
	And now we have in Wisconsin, the Supreme Court saying that the Trump election contest lawsuit must start in lower courts.
	I want to pick up here with Rolf.
	Welcome back to the Raw Deal, Rolf.
	Glad to have you here.
	It's great to have you, Jim.
	I got some big news.
	I got some big news for you right now.
	This is news that no one in the country knows is breaking right now.
	It's breaking right now.
	And I have a new poem about the voting in Florida.
	Here's how it goes.
	The devil went down to Georgia.
	He was looking for a vote to steal.
	He was in a bind because Biden was way behind.
	He was willing to make a steal.
	When he came across a suitcase under a table filled with Biden votes, a lot, the devil jumped on a video camera and said, boy, let's video what you got.
	Is that that's your little ditty?
	I take it off.
	I like it.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Tell us about what's going on in Wisconsin where you're up close and personal.
	Okay, we got some updates here in Wisconsin.
	The Supreme Court just kicked the lawsuit back to, I think, to the Appeals Court on a four to three vote.
	So in Wisconsin, we have four conservatives and three liberals.
	So we have our own John Roberts in Wisconsin, Judge Hagedorn.
	So he's not a dependable vote, but he could, you know, we're still holding out hope.
	He said that the case has to go back to the appellate court before the Supreme Court's going to take it.
	He cited some procedure or some law somewhere.
	There's other procedures, though, that say that when you have a case of statewide massive implications, The Supreme Court can be an original jurisdiction.
	So he chose to kick it back.
	You know, we're running out of time.
	However, according to what I've heard, the case can be back to the Supreme Court in four to five days.
	So the court, the thing to remember is the case was not, was not, well, first of all, three of the justices were already concluded that it was, there was fraud.
	Okay.
	So that's three out of seven.
	So the case was not kicked back based on the merits, though.
	It was just a procedural thing.
	So the news media may make it sound like it was a bad, a really bad thing for Trump, but it isn't that bad because it's going to come back to the Supreme Court and then maybe Judge Hagedorn will vote on the facts and the lie.
	And I know Judge Hagedorn.
	I've met him before.
	I know his dad, who was the chairman of the Republican Party of Waukesha County.
	Which is the biggest Republican county in Wisconsin.
	He used to be the chief legal counsel for Scott Walker back in the Tea Party days.
	So I'm still holding out hope on this.
	By kicking it back, you know, it gives him a few more days to think about it.
	Well, my understanding is that they have actually appointed a judge to consolidate the cases from Milwaukee County and from Dane County to simplify the process and that what they were doing was basically a legal formality that they felt the case wasn't ready for the Supreme Court to hear it.
	But I believe you're correct in your assessment that we're going to have a 4-3 vote in favor of the Trump position.
	That would be my prediction.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah, well, the first vote was 4-3 against Trump.
	But once it comes back, then, you know, we don't know what's going to happen when it comes back.
	We don't know if it's either going to be 4-3 for Trump or 4-3 against Trump.
	It looks like there's one judge who's going to make the decision.
	Uh, of who, who wins in Wisconsin.
	Any, any one state can start a chain reaction because of what's going on in all these other states.
	Um, this happened in 1876.
	You know, there was one guy that made a decision of who the next president was.
	Did you know that?
	Yeah, I listened to that.
	Rutherford B. Hayes and Samuel Tilden.
	There was a, there were three states that had massive corruption.
	Louisiana, Florida, and South Carolina.
	So somehow some commission was set up to decide where the electors went.
	There were two sets of electors from each of the three states.
	So two sets showed up from each state.
	So they had to figure out who's going to take the electors.
	So they set up a commission of five people from the House, five people from the Senate, and five people from the Supreme Court.
	And it was known that seven of these people were clearly Republicans and seven of them were clearly Democrats.
	And there was one guy that was neutral.
	He was going to make the decision, but then he resigned because he decided he wanted to run for office somewhere.
	So he resigned.
	Then they put in a guy who was really more of a Republican.
	He voted.
	And then Rutherford B. Hayes won the election.
	That was still one person.
	One person literally voted for the president in 1876.
	In Wisconsin, it's not for the whole presidency, but it's going to be for Well, it could be by the time we get there, because we don't know what's going to happen in these other states.
	But in Wisconsin, it's going to come back.
	I don't know if I told you this yet, but on December 11th at 10am, there's a hearing in Wisconsin on the voter fraud.
	So there's been an investigation going by the state legislature.
	I remember our legislature here in Wisconsin is very heavily Republican.
	It's almost a two to one ratio.
	I think it's almost two to one in the Senate.
	I think it's 21 to 12 in the Senate and in the House, I think it's like 66 to 33 or something like that.
	I mean, it's really close to two-thirds.
	That means you don't have to have every Republican vote for this stuff, okay?
	Yes.
	In fact, if Republicans abstained, like in the Senate where it's 21 to 12, you could actually have eight Republicans just abstain And still pass it 13 to 12.
	You could have 8 Republicans out of 21 abstain.
	That's a pretty high percentage.
	So the idea that this can't pass through the... The other thing is in the legislature, this is not a criminal case, this is a civil case.
	In a civil case, the normal standard to win a case is preponderance of evidence.
	You don't have to have proof.
	The media keeps saying, where's your proof?
	Okay.
	You don't have to have proof in a civil case.
	Now, someone might say, okay, we need more than just preponderance because this is a really big thing.
	But, you know, then, then sometimes they use a standard called clear and convincing evidence, which we, I think we already have that.
	In Wisconsin, the lawsuit in Wisconsin is a slam dunk win for Trump based on the laws and the facts.
	They've proven that the state laws were not followed on over 200,000 votes in Wisconsin.
	And we know that the margin right now is about 20,000 votes.
	That's a 10 to 1 ratio of votes.
	So it really comes down to whether the judges are going to follow the laws and the facts or not.
	Three of our Supreme Court justices are.
	And by the way, in the Republican Party, we get every time a judge runs for office, they show up at our meetings.
	And they say, we're running and they always say the same thing.
	Here's what they say.
	I will judge the case based on the law as written, not based on my own opinions or how I wish the law would be.
	I will base it on the law as written.
	In other words, the legislature writes the laws and then the judiciary, and they don't use the word interprets the law, but they, When they say they interpret the law, they mean they just follow the law as written.
	The plain language of the text is another way you can say it.
	But that's what they always say, including Judge Hagedorn, including one of the justices, Rebecca Bradley, who's clearly on the right side of this.
	Also, Judge Roggensack and Judge Ziegler are all in on the Trump lawsuit.
	It's obviously the facts and the law.
	Clearly show that over 200,000 votes were not cast legally per the Wisconsin statutes.
	Now, the Democrat side of the argument always something like this, we don't want to disenfranchise people.
	Okay, so let's say that somebody voted, and they didn't follow the law by accident, they got bad advice from the clerk or something.
	Okay, that's, that might be true.
	But this, what about the people who did follow the rules?
	What about those people?
	Don't they have rights too?
	And by the way, voting isn't even a right.
	It's a privilege.
	Voting is a privilege.
	It's a created right by the legislature.
	The voting for president is not a right.
	Maybe voting for governor is a right, but not voting for president.
	It's a privilege.
	So what has to happen at some point is the Democrats use these terms to scare people.
	They say, you're going to disenfranchise.
	It's a race card.
	And they use the race card.
	People are like, I don't want to be called a racist.
	Okay, well, people who are not racists are in fear of being called a racist.
	Many people are, although fewer are.
	Trump has shown that you can do the right thing, and if someone plays the race card, not to be afraid of it, because people are sick of it.
	A lot of people are sick of it, and a lot of people are sick of the disenfranchisement card.
	The reality is that people can vote.
	Have you ever met anybody Who was disenfranchised?
	Have you ever met anybody who couldn't vote?
	Because of some government rule?
	Everybody can vote.
	Unless they're in jail, or you're on probation, you can't vote.
	But otherwise, everybody else can vote.
	If you're not a legal citizen, you can't vote.
	If you're visiting from another state, you can't vote here.
	But otherwise, people can vote in this country.
	The idea that people are disenfranchised is a crock.
	People aren't.
	This election has proven even the dead can vote.
	Yeah, now there's a lawsuit in Nevada, which I got right here, some highlights from it.
	Nevada is probably the least important of the six states.
	For one reason, it has the fewest number of electoral votes.
	It only has six.
	It's also the only one of the six states that has a Democrat legislature.
	But according to this lawsuit, 42,000 people voted more than once and 1,500 dead people voted and I don't have a number but a lot of people had fake addresses including RV camps and casinos.
	Okay, now the margin in Nevada is 33,500.
	Okay, so in this one it's not quite as overwhelming 42,000 to 33,000.
	It's not as overwhelming as other places.
	So what is the standard for overturning an election?
	The real thing they should do is they should order another election.
	That's what they should do.
	But of course, we don't have time to do that.
	So then, if there isn't time for another election, then the legislature has to figure it out.
	In Nevada, I wouldn't call it a slam dunk, but it's certainly a pretty good case.
	It's still more votes than the margin that are not, that are not legal.
	I mean, if you're, if you don't, if you voted once, that's not legal.
	Okay.
	And think about Nevada.
	It's a visiting location right now.
	I don't know how many people visited Nevada this year because of the, the plandemic, but I could see, let's say you're from Illinois.
	Okay.
	You go to Nevada.
	I'm for a vacation and someone says, hey, you should vote in Nevada since you're from a state that's not a battleground state, just vote in Nevada and you can help help Joe Biden.
	OK, I could see an organized system of trying to get people who are visiting from California, especially, which is a huge think of how many Democrats visited Nevada this year.
	What if there's an organized system to get people from non battleground states like Oregon, Washington, California, Illinois, states like that, maybe even New Mexico, and say vote here in Nevada.
	It could be, because that's a lot of people, 42,000 people.
	These are people who actually voted twice, so some people may have come to Nevada and voted and then went back to California and voted there too.
	That's what this lawsuit says, 42,000 people did that.
	How many people just voted in Nevada but didn't vote when they went back?
	Is that even legal?
	You know?
	I know in Nevada you can get married and get divorced right away.
	I don't know if you can vote right away in Nevada.
	You probably can't legally.
	So Nevada is on the table.
	We've heard a lot about Pennsylvania and Michigan.
	There was a hearing with Rudy Giuliani has been to Michigan.
	There was a hearing in Arizona and there was a hearing in Pennsylvania.
	So Rudy Giuliani to my knowledge has hit three states.
	And directly advocated to the state legislatures.
	See, those three states are enough for Trump to win.
	And he doesn't even have to get the votes from those states.
	All they have to do is not give the votes to Biden in those three states.
	Arizona is 11.
	Michigan is 16.
	And Pennsylvania is 20.
	That's enough votes to knock Biden below 270.
	Those three states.
	Wisconsin has 10 votes.
	Nevada has six votes.
	Georgia has 16 votes.
	Georgia is the evidence in Georgia.
	Not only do they have the votes, they kick everybody out of the room.
	Then they find the suitcases under the under the tables of separated from other votes.
	And then 10 or 15 minutes after that happens, that's when these voter dumps started with 100,000 votes for for Biden, or whatever it was.
	Okay.
	So it even times up with the vote numbers that were coming in.
	Okay, how much more evidence do you need?
	And why would anybody support an election where they have evidence like this?
	Because this is more than just preponderance of evidence.
	This is more than just a clear and convincing.
	This is actually proof of voter fraud.
	I mean, how much more evidence do you need?
	And why would any legislator support an election conducted like this?
	Why would anybody support it?
	It's ridiculous.
	Very, very, very good, Rolf.
	And remember, Georgia has a majority of Republicans on both arms of their legislature.
	So we have six states in play.
	And my guess is that if one state does it, then Trump's gonna win
	because then at least two more will do it.
	That's my guess.
	Very, very, very good, Rolf.
	I agree completely.
	Meanwhile, Trump has announced Biden can't be president if we're right about voting fraud.
	There's no doubt that he's right about voting fraud.
	The evidence is massive and overwhelming.
	You've only illustrated a few samples of the proof that this was a fraudulent election.
	As I see it, there are three plans in place.
	Plan A, That the state legislatures, confronted with this massive evidence, decide to determine the electors on their own and go for Trump, as you are suggesting.
	Plan B, that Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, if he's not a traitor, carry the case to the Supreme Court, that voters were treated differently, that Democratic votes and voters were treated differently than Republican votes and voters, such that the Supreme Court will nullify the election as a violation of the 14th Amendment and send it to Congress.
	Where the House will vote each state having one vote to cast for president, the Senate for vice, and where because there are 26 states minimally that will vote Republican, Trump will again be re-elected president, or Plan C, no doubt the least desirable, but which might come into play if Plan A and Plan B both fail to declare action and have a revoke conducted under the supervision of
	the military with paper ballots and hand counts.
	How do you assess those alternatives?
	Well, like I said, if it goes to the House, the Republicans, and I'm not sure, I've got
	to double check, I don't remember, I don't know if you use the new, I think you use the
	new House, not the old House to do the voting.
	And the new House is going to have 26 or 27 state delegations, Republican, and I think
	between 20 and 23 Democrat, with the other split.
	So it's actually stronger than it was.
	It's 26 to 24 right now.
	Okay, so it could be an advantage of 23 to 26 at a minimum or 27 to 20 at best.
	Also, if you might wonder, why do they do this?
	Some of you are probably wondering, why do you do it like this?
	You vote by state delegation.
	What they're doing is they're mimicking the voting in the Articles of Confederation.
	In the Articles of Confederation, you can have each state sent between two and seven delegates to the Continental Congress, or then later called the Confederation Congress, but each state only got one vote.
	So if you had, you know, if you had seven delegates or you had two delegates, you still only got one vote per state.
	That's what they're doing is they're recreating The Articles of Confederation, where each state gets one vote.
	That's what they're doing.
	So, presumably, Trump would win in the House.
	You can't remember, it's not a slam dunk, because there could be a Republican out there somewhere, like Mitt Romney, now he's in the Senate, but there could be some Republican out there who doesn't like Trump, and says, I'm not going to vote for Trump.
	I think the popular vote should be the way to do it.
	There could be some Republican like that.
	So you'd have to we'd have to keep our fingers crossed and see what happens.
	So that doesn't mean that that doesn't mean that Biden will win in the house either.
	It could mean that you have a deadlocked vote in the house.
	And this happened in 1800.
	And we had a deadlocked vote between Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr.
	But after about 3033 votes, finally, Alexander Hamilton went and talked to James Bayard, who was a delegate from Delaware, and James Bayard flipped his vote to Trump, or not to Trump, to Jefferson, and both being advocates for liberty, of course, flipped his vote to Jefferson, and Jefferson finally beat Aaron Burr.
	That happened in 1800.
	In 1824, we had a deadlock, too, in the House.
	We had four candidates with electoral votes, Andrew Jackson, Got first.
	John Quincy Adams got second.
	William Crawford got third.
	And he's not famous today, but his, like Crawford County, that's named after William Crawford.
	He was a big name in those days.
	And then the fourth candidate was Henry Clay.
	Those four got electoral votes.
	The fifth candidate was John Calhoun.
	And he, he went, decided to run for vice president.
	So he's dropped out of the presidential race and he ended up being the vice president.
	In fact, he's the only vice president ever elected by the Senate.
	But getting back to the 1824 election, he had four candidates.
	So when they went to the House, none of the state delegations had, none of the candidates had a majority.
	So there was a deal cut between John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay, who were considered more the establishment candidates at the time.
	And then Henry Clay threw his support in the House to John Quincy Adams, And then John Quincy Adams agreed to appoint him to be the Secretary of State, which was the most important cabinet position at the time, and considered the launching pad for presidents.
	And then John Quincy Adams won in the House, defeating Andrew Jackson, even though Andrew Jackson had the most popular votes and the most electoral votes in that election.
	It was perfectly legal, but it seemed unsavory To Jackson and to many people.
	So Andrew Jackson referred to this as the corrupt bargain in 1824.
	He never accepted the results of the election.
	And then in 1828, he came back and ran again and crushed John Quincy Adams in 1828.
	And then, of course, he went back in 1832 and won another big victory.
	And he also got rid of the federal, the central bank, As well, fighting the establishment.
	Probably the closest example of Trump that we have in history is Andrew Jackson being like Trump.
	He was called an uncouth person, a westerner.
	When I say westerner, I mean someone who's not from the civilized parts of the country.
	Someone who was not as educated.
	Someone who was using foul language.
	Someone who was rough and tumble.
	And then, of course, someone who took on the establishment, Andrew Jackson, of course, got rid of the Federal Reserve, the Federal Bank, the Central Bank, and Trump, of course, is going after the swamp.
	So it's a very close analogy.
	Rolf, I'm very impressed with all your historical knowledge and analogies.
	Excellent.
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	This is Jim Fetzer with you on The Raw Deal, where I have my special guest of the second
	hour, Rolf Lindgren.
	We have a caller from Texas, Bruce.
	Join the conversation.
	Yeah.
	Hey, guys, this is Bruce in Texas.
	Long time since we last talked.
	Glad to have you here, Bruce.
	Give us your thoughts.
	Yeah, sure.
	Before I get into the election, I just want to throw a quick sports question at you.
	What do you think about Mike Tyson stepping back into the ring?
	Bruce, that's pretty far remote from what we're discussing, I'll tell you.
	I've got a comparison photograph of Michelle Obama and Mike Tyson from behind, and Michelle is every bit as hefty as Mike Tyson.
	I'm all for Mike Tyson doing what he wants to do.
	That's just great.
	A little boost to the boxing establishment.
	Give us your thoughts about the election.
	Yeah, just, you know, Boomer cheering on another Another guy, you know how we kind of live vivaciously to, to other people.
	Anyhow, uh, yeah, I want to ask, uh, Rolf, uh, is it possible, how come Dominion is dodging all these, uh, these hearings on a civil case?
	Can't they be subpoenaed and can't their machines be forced into evidence?
	Um, well, they can be, I mean, you can subpoena people, but, but, um, You know, remember, they're not working.
	They're working separately from the Trump campaign right now.
	So they haven't had a lot of, you know, I think I think that I think the Dominion argument is more of a theoretical argument.
	Because remember, when you do a recount, we I just didn't, I was at a recount in Wisconsin, we didn't find any votes that were switched by a machine.
	Plus, we don't even use Dominion machines here.
	So I think that the Dominion lawsuits are more for public relations and are theoretical in nature.
	In other words, it's possible there could be votes switched.
	Like, let's say there was a cyber war, then maybe there could be votes switching if there was a cyber war.
	But as far as any actual votes being switched, I haven't seen much of it.
	I saw a couple of reports.
	You know, I don't know if there's anything to it or not.
	So I don't really have an answer outside of, I do support the lawsuits moving forward though.
	But the Trump lawsuits are much stronger lawsuits.
	They have actual votes that are not cast legally.
	Okay.
	They've actually found the votes and identified the votes with the dominion thing that I don't think they've really identified what the vote, which, which votes they're talking about.
	So it's more theoretical.
	And it does have a good, it also is important for public relations because people don't believe the, people think there's voter fraud.
	So any, any person who files a lawsuit and raises questions about voting, that's, that's still good because, because, um, part of this is, you know, a lot of judges, you might, you know, judges are affected by public opinion too, you know, you know, whenever, whenever there's a major, whenever there's a major law precedent set by the Supreme Court, They often, it's often because public opinion has moved strongly in favor of something and then finally the Supreme Court says, okay, yeah, that's right.
	And then they make a ruling.
	So I'm just saying is that there is a, there is a, judges are affected by public opinion.
	And everybody's back.
	That's why, that's why the media tries to do fake polls and spin the, if you think that everybody supports Trump, then you're, you may like Trump.
	If you think everybody hates Trump, Then you may not like Trump.
	That's another way public opinion affects people.
	It's the herd instinct.
	These judges, they have peers, and they have their social circles, and they have their professional acquaintances, and the way the gaslighting through the media, it's acting like a PR agency for the Democratic National Committee and the oligarchs who fund it.
	The Silicon Valley oligarchs, even Soros, you know, and I'm concerned about, you know, you say the last option is to declare a state of emergency.
	You can imagine what the media is going to do.
	They're going to, uh, they're going to, to mobilize people, you know, the NPCs, the, uh, the normies into, uh, into hysteria and they're going to, you know, that's about my last comment on this topic.
	Go ahead.
	No, Bruce, that's good.
	Go ahead.
	There's one negative side to Sidney Powell's lawsuit.
	It's different than Trump.
	Remember, Trump's lawsuit is simply that illegal votes are cast for Democrats, okay?
	That's what Trump is talking about.
	When you have vote-changing theories, one negative side effect is that what if someone Doesn't vote for Trump because they say, oh, they're just going to change my vote to Biden anyway.
	I'm not going to vote.
	Okay.
	Problem in Georgia, there's a Senate, there's a Senate race in Georgia, two Senate races, which will decide the control of the United States Senate.
	Republicans are at 50 to 48 right now.
	They, if it's a 50 to 50 tie, then the tie would, could be broken by Kamala Harris if she, she gets in there.
	So the point is, is that Cindy Paul and Lin Wood apparently both stated that to boycott the election until the voter machines are fixed.
	Okay.
	Well, that's one of the problems with vote conspiracy theories, because, because some people may not vote.
	People who shouldn't be vote.
	If you're not, if you don't trust the establishment, you should be voting against the establishment.
	If you don't know who to vote for, vote for someone, but don't vote for the establishment.
	Or the swamp, or whoever it is.
	And if you get too paranoid, and you just don't vote, that actually helps the establishment.
	In fact, sometimes I think the establishment promotes voter conspiracy theories, because if they can get a whole bunch of people really paranoid, then they won't even vote at all, and then the establishment can win.
	So, that's another thing to remember.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Alright, thank you, Ralph, and thank you, Jim.
	Oh, Bruce, thanks for calling in.
	Are you going to try to get Jesse Ventura back on your show again, or is that going to be it?
	I don't think Jesse would be very enthusiastic about the idea.
	We go way back, but it became obvious that Jesse really hadn't followed the mass controversy and was not current.
	For all of us, it's incumbent upon us to do research on these issues and there's a massive evidence, I mean, serious scientific studies that show how damaging masks are to human beings and other living things.
	If you just go to my blog at jamesfetzer.org and start working backward, you'll find probably a dozen Some of the very best studies about masks explain how that it's virtually criminal to impose masks upon children and young people because their rate of growth is so great they need that oxygen.
	What you're doing is recycling oxygen depleted air, that it's a great way to develop
	bacterial infections in your lungs that are virtually untreatable.
	It's such a serious matter.
	It's destroying brain cells that are irreplaceable so that in the past I predicted when we get
	through this, there will be a drop in the average IQ of Americans by five points.
	I now believe since Biden is talking about further lockdowns and the latest studies,
	which I'll be reporting on today and should be blogging later today, show that the increase
	in deaths occur after lockdown, but basically they're perpetrating the fraud by simply reclassifying
	people who have died.
	As having died with COVID-19 to give you the impression they had died from COVID-19.
	That's a monstrous scam on multiple levels.
	Bruce, I'm really glad you called in.
	Good stuff.
	Yeah, good stuff.
	And I hope you just patch things up.
	I hate to see a friendship or relationship in someone who I've followed over the years, you know, be trolled off the air, you know.
	I'm a huge fan of Jesse and, you know, we all have our limitations.
	It's very, very interesting.
	Well, if I happen to report that Andrea Mitchell has been canceled for questioning the Biden team's transparency, that's pretty damn interesting.
	Say that again.
	She was what?
	That some interviewer showed she was doing where she was questioning the transparency of the Biden administration has been blocked.
	That's pretty damn interesting, because Andrea Mitchell's about as mainstream as they come.
	You know, she's even... Well, see, what happens is, right now, they're not 100% sold.
	The mainstream media, they're trying to act like Joe Biden's the president-elect, but they're not 100% sold.
	That he really is.
	As soon as, if it, if it comes, I mean, we don't know what's really going to happen.
	I'm still not going to say that I predict Trump's going to win the election, although I think he should win the election.
	But let's say that Biden gets, gets in there.
	Okay.
	As soon as Joe Biden is the president, then the media is going to change, is going to change a lot because they're, they're going to, they're going to make, they're going to make Biden do what they want him to do.
	Okay.
	That's why, that's why Joe Biden is the perfect candidate for the, for the deep state because he'll just do what they want him
	to do and if he doesn't do it, they'll just run a negative story about him on TV and then
	he'll just do it then.
	Ralph, let me get your take on this.
	Andrea Mitchell may just, you know, maybe she's just going back to, you know, okay, go ahead.
	Yeah, let me get your take on a story that relates to the first hour of the show.
	Republican Senator Ted Cruz of Texas fired back at the exhortation from pro-Trump attorney Ellyn Wood to Republicans to boycott the Senate runoff election in Georgia until officials change election security policy.
	Wood and Sidney Powell, the attorney who represented General Mike Flynn, called for voters to boycott the runoff election that would determine control of the US Senate and could keep Democrats from seizing all three branches of government.
	Cruz pushed back and called Wood a clown in a message sent out Thursday.
	I don't know who this clown is, but anyone saying America would be better off with Chuck Schumer as majority leader, producing huge tax increases, the Green New Deal, massive amnesty, and a packed Supreme Court, destroying the Bill of Rights, is trying to mislead the people of Georgia!
	Remember, Lin Wood is not working for the Republican Party, per se.
	He's working on a lawsuit.
	With Sidney Powell.
	Right, right, right.
	He's not representing me, or you, or Senator Perdue, or Senator Loeffler, or President Trump.
	He's not representing.
	So what he's doing is, it's obviously very unfortunate that he said that.
	You know, that's one of the problems of it.
	He's not representing the Republican Party, he's representing one specific case in Georgia.
	So what he says shouldn't affect most people, but if it affects some people, then it could cost the election.
	You're right.
	Well, yeah, I believe that Trump going down to encourage everybody to vote is going to override it massively.
	People will say, you know.
	Who was this Lin Wood guy?
	I think he made a tremendous mistake in making that announcement.
	It may have been to try to pressure the Georgia government to correct how they conduct this election, but it's going to be the most closely scrutinized in American history, I think, Rolf, these two Senate votes in Georgia.
	It could be.
	Like you said, Lin Wood's lawsuit It's good that they're doing it, but as I just said earlier, in other countries, they do this sometimes.
	They boycott elections.
	I've seen it happen in other countries, but the problem is that there's not enough... For that to work, you'd have to have a massive amount of people supporting it.
	Lin Wood doesn't have a massive amount of people agreeing with him.
	Yeah, I disagree with him completely about this issue, and I think Ed Hendry's critique from the first hour of the show was spot on, and that this is a very bad thing, raising serious questions about Ellen Wood's sincerity and dedication to the cause of correcting these major problems, where I think you made an excellent point, Rolf, that as soon as one state As soon as one state does it, I think it's going to be like the domino theory.
	here, in accordance with the massive evidence of voter fraud, that other states will follow
	suit.
	I think that is the simplest and most direct way to resolve this theft of the election.
	As soon as one state does it, I think it's going to be like the domino theory.
	I got an article here from Snopes debunking Trump's tweets, fraudulent vote dumps gave
	Biden the election.
	Okay.
	And then they also have Rand Paul cited in this, this article.
	All they claim is, is do not attribute a conspiracy to what can be easily explained by demographics.
	Okay.
	I read this.
	I read the article.
	This is an example of an article that does not debunk the vote dumps.
	The vote dumps are too big.
	And two, one-sided to be explained by demographics.
	So they don't, they don't really tell you what the demographics should be, you know, and mail in voting.
	I know there's a lot more Democrats that mailed in their votes, but the ratio, like in Pennsylvania, the ratio was like, you know, five to two or something.
	So for every five Democrats that mailed in, there were two Republicans.
	Okay.
	Well, two out of seven is still 28.6%.
	So I know that the vote dumps were not giving Trump 28% of the vote.
	Okay.
	So this is an example of a garbage debunking.
	That's why I like to read the debunkers to see if they really debunk.
	Yes.
	And they don't, they don't tell you what the ratio really should be then.
	They just claim it was expected because there was an article about it.
	Yeah, I saw the articles that they might not count the mail-in ballots right away, but that doesn't explain the mass, you know, 100,000 votes in a row or 100,000 to 300 or whatever it was.
	So this is an example where, to me, after reading this article, it makes me think that this is true.
	I mean, if Rand Paul thinks it's true, And the debunker can't debunk it.
	It's probably because it's true, right?
	So it doesn't.
	It's not debunked.
	Another debunking they have on here.
	This is this is about the COVID.
	It says this is factcheck.org.
	It says flawed analysis leads to false claim of no excess deaths in 2020.
	It was a John Hopkins report that there's no excess deaths.
	In this year.
	They claim that there's some excess deaths in this article, but you know, it's just, uh, it's, it's just someone's opinion.
	It's not really a, it doesn't fact check.
	It's really just two different people, two different scientists can analyze the same data and have two different views of it.
	It's just like some scientists, what's that?
	Here's a brand new report, absolutely in accord with what you've been observing.
	The chairman of the Michigan House Oversight Committee, Matt Hall, a Republican-asked Dominion Voting Systems contractor, Melissa Caron, to confirm that she witnessed election workers repeatedly reinserting the same ballots through the tabulator machine on multiple occasions.
	She explained she literally watched thousands and thousands of the same ballots being pushed through the vote tabulator
	at the TCF center.
	Chairman Hall told Crow that they would like to talk to Dominion.
	Which state is this in?
	Michigan.
	Which?
	Michigan, but so far they have refused to appear before the committee.
	I will note that Dominion won't come before the committee.
	I've asked them and so far they've refused.
	We need answers from them about how their machines work, adding they're going to continue to pursue their request to Dominion.
	But, Rolf, the fact that Dominion won't appear, of course, is very, very telling.
	Well, it's telling, but it's also, you know, a lot of people don't want to go to court.
	You know, I mean, I'm just saying.
	Well, I've had earlier reports... Most people don't want to go to court unless you're trying to help someone else out or something, then you might want to go.
	But otherwise, you know, if you run a company like that, you know, I'm not saying that they're good.
	I'm just saying is that just because they don't want to go to court, they're also going to run the clock out because they know if they resist, The subpoenas now, what they're hoping is that after the election is all the way over, then that people will forget about these lawsuits.
	And if they are forgot, otherwise the people won't be paying attention.
	They don't want to get bad publicity.
	And they probably do have, there's probably a lot of questions that they can't answer.
	They probably have people from foreign countries who own, you know, stock in the company, or whatever they have, parts of the company.
	Yeah.
	Do they have people from Venezuela?
	I've heard Venezuela, China, You know, Germany, there's probably people, foreign vote machines, vote counting machines should not be made in China, they shouldn't be made in Venezuela, they should be made in America, period.
	It's an issue of national security.
	If there's a cyber war, we don't want machines, you know, the United States has all kinds of stuff in other countries, we know that.
	We know that there's been cyber, the CIA has Yeah, thanks.
	Just a couple of quick points here.
	First of all, Rolf, I really appreciate the work that you've been doing.
	having the blueprints to our machines.
	You're absolutely right, Rolf.
	We have Paul calling back in.
	Paul, go ahead.
	Join the conversation.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Just a couple of quick points.
	First of all, Rolf, I really appreciate the work that you've been doing.
	There's a lot of interesting details you've revealed the last couple of appearances.
	But it's worth keeping in mind, and I'm sure this will ring a familiar bell with Jim,
	but the fact of the matter is this is obvious to most average, intelligent Americans
	And what's occurring, of course, is not good for anybody.
	It's obvious that one side does not want to have a fair election or a recount.
	And so what has to be made clear is that we have enemies, and the enemies are of the American people, of everybody.
	And the press is essentially a monolith.
	There isn't any fair coverage of this anywhere, either in print or, you know, on the TV.
	And if you go and just turn the radio dial, which I have recently, it's amazing that you would expect, for example, such austere places as PBS or NPR.
	To do somewhat of a fair job, but they are all anti-Trump and pro-Democrat.
	And the bottom line is even regular people got to know that there's nobody's going to be benefited by this sort of a fraud or a sham.
	And that's why if Trump gets reelected, he has got to arrest and take down the media.
	Because if nothing else, they're all guilty of incitement to riot earlier this year.
	And of course, they're guilty of telling lies, which could be construed as treason.
	So again, I just want to make sure.
	That might sound nice, but if President Trump took down the news media, what if the next president, it's the same thing when you have a monarchy, you might have a really good king.
	It doesn't matter at this point.
	But then later you get a bad king, then what do you do?
	This is life or death of the nation.
	Jim will agree with this.
	This is life or death of our country.
	Listen, Trump just made a statement.
	If the Defense Authorization Bill, the NDAA, doesn't eliminate Section 230, he won't sign it.
	Section 230 of the Telecommunications Act gives Facebook and Twitter and Google and all this protections from liability.
	What?
	Protections from liability.
	Now what Trump really wants He doesn't necessarily really want Section 230 eliminated.
	He wants Section 230 rewritten so that that if you're if you're administering a website, yeah, you take down like death threats and stuff.
	And, you know, maybe if you want to get rid of racist comments, you know, blatant.
	But just different opinions about COVID-19 or different opinions about voting.
	That should not be.
	Once you're doing that, you're OK.
	But the point remains.
	OK, but just quickly, the point remains, though, is that when Trump is gone, these people, our enemies, will still be there.
	OK, so it doesn't really matter at this point.
	You've made wonderful points, I have to say.
	OK, let me, it'd be nice if the New York Times was a co-conspirator in the deep state cases.
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