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Nov. 13, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
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The Fetz Presents (12 November 2020): William DeBerg, Author/Analyst/Commentator
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I'm going to go ahead and get started.
So, uh,
this is Jim Fetzer on The Fetz Presents, where it's my great pleasure to have as my featured guest this evening,
William DeBerg, who is an author, an analyst, and a commentator, and resides down under
William, tell us a little bit about yourself and your publications.
I know you have several books.
Right.
Well, thank you, Jim.
And again, it's a pleasure to be on your show here.
And I, uh, admire you again for all you've done in the truth or world.
Um, I, uh, am an American scientist.
I'm currently residing down under that's true.
Um, but, uh, after doing a lot of scientific work, mainly in the brain sciences, I, um, started getting interested in, um, what was happening in 2011 in Libya.
And I had a little downtime and I started thinking, wow, what's going on in Libya is completely different than what we're told about Muammar Gaddafi and the events there.
And I started to do some research and realized that a lot of the organizations I had contributed to, Amnesty International and Doctors Without Borders and things like that, were not really Completely on the level.
They were part of this big group which I eventually considered to be the under the rubric of what a lot of people call the Bilderbergers goes by different names.
So I started writing this book and it got into the events of Libya.
It got into a discussion of September 11th and about 10 pages of dialogue.
I basically, two men were talking, I basically go through a lot of the truth or arguments in the case of September 11th.
And also about the media, the corruption in the media, our Middle Eastern foray.
That was my first book, Serpent and Savior.
And it's not that I hadn't been aware of the truth or arguments.
I'd never bought into the lone gunman theory.
I'd always had some questions about 9-1-1, but I'd never really pursued these things.
And I started doing a lot and lot of research.
And then the second book was... No, no, no, no, William, William, William, let's talk about your first book now.
Let me say, by the way, I'm very interested that you are in the brain sciences.
A colleague of mine in my early JFK research was Bob Livingston, who was a The scientific director of three of the National Institutes of Health, or two, Neurological Diseases and Blindness, and who founded the first department of neuroscience in the world at UC San Diego.
He was among the leading authorities on the gross anatomy of the human brain, and I just wondered if you ever had any to do with his research or contributions to the field?
Uh, no, not really.
Although I did read about him in your book on JFK.
My knowledge of the brain sciences and cognitive psychology and all, and psychology in general, has helped make the psychological aspects of my characters in my books much more authentic.
But these are political thrillers.
They're great reads, but they deal with a lot of factual material.
So above the line in my books, it's all political thriller fiction.
Below the line, it's all references, some better than others, some first primary sources, some secondary sources.
You can get a lot of factual material from my books.
Where did you begin and where did you come out on 9-11?
Well, when I started throwing a few things out in the first book, somebody who helped me with the book read it over and he said, William, you have to, if you're going to get into 9-11, you've got to go the whole distance.
And so at that point, I sort of put the book on hold, and for about three weeks over the holiday season, I just did nothing but read books on 9-1-1 and articles on 9-1-1.
David Ray Griffin, for instance, and all these different articles.
And it was amazing after a while you can you begin to be able to piece it together and so and I really anybody who's ever really done any research into September 11th and the planes and And the buildings and all, they come to the same conclusion.
The problem is most people were like I was before I started writing the book, didn't have time.
You know, you're raising families, you're working, you don't have time to do all the research.
But once you start doing the research, it becomes obvious how preposterous some of these conspiracy theories, and what I maybe could mention at the beginning, One of the things I've realized after doing all this research and writing these books and all, is that at the heart of it, there is some professional capability in some of these false flag events, like the buildings that fell.
It took some great explosive capabilities and all, but the cover-up, the media stories and all, they're so amateurish.
It's really amateurish how these things are put there.
There's so many mistakes and I don't think these people are really As competent as maybe they think they are or whatever.
And so I see so much amateurish stuff that's going on.
And I still see it today as we may talk about what's going on with the election.
Tell us again the name of that first book.
That was Serpent and Savior.
Serpent and Savior.
Serpent and Savior.
And tell us what the metaphors represent.
Well, okay.
And that was the only novel I wrote that has a lot of symbolism in it.
It gets to this notion of David Icke's reptilians and all, and of course, you know, the people, if you know anything about the triune brain theory, we have the reptilian, the mammalian brain, and then the Higher primate brain, but the reptilian brain is one that doesn't really have an emotional systems, large emotional systems with it.
So people who don't have any real emotions, which we call sociopaths, uh, we talk about reptilian and, uh, that's where that metaphor comes from.
And then the savior is, is the, um, uh, some of the people in there, uh, who, uh, come to know the truth of their world and, And, um, you know, they pay for their sins, but they, uh, not for their sins.
I mean, some of them have sinned, but they, they, they pay a huge price in the end, some of them, but, um, nevertheless, they've come to, to, uh, know the truth.
And to me, uh, when you know the truth, you know, as the Bible says, the truth shall set you free.
So in a way, all these people that have been involved in, in undercovering the truth are, are in many ways, the savior.
So, um, um, I think that, um, Again, it makes for good political thrillers, but it also has a lot of factual material.
It would be uncharacteristic of a novel or non-fiction, but do you have citations to the work of, for example, David Ray Griffin?
Each one of my books has up to about 200 citations.
Now, some of them are footnotes, clarifications, but I would say definitely over 100 citations.
In fact, A lot of them are primary source, a lot of them are definitely just excellent, solid citations, and some of them are, you know, a little more out there, but I throw them in because they present interesting hypotheses.
Benjamin Fulford, as you know, he's got some interesting theories out there, but I throw in these other citations.
Now, I must say, all of my books rely on a couple major sources.
For instance, the first book, Serpent and Savior, David Ray Griffin's novels, Daniel Estulin on the Bilderbergers, and the fellow who wrote Confessions of an Economic Hitman, and all I forget his name.
Yeah, in second book, I relied on the Seagraves, Gold Warriors.
It was about the occult financial system, and the thriller takes place in the Philippines, where there's a fight over Yamashita's gold, which You know, is a reality.
We know that there wasn't the existence of this gold, massive gold reserves, and we don't know who took all that gold, but we think it ended up in the hands of the, you know, Bilderberg or Cabal, whatever, tied to the Black Eagle Trust and things like that.
And what's the title of that one?
That was White Spiritual Boy.
And it gets, it takes off in this term you've heard before about these fantastical accounts with trillions and trillions of dollars and white spiritual boy and spiritual wonder boy and all that stuff.
And, you know, again, it's, you know, some of these references are more far out, others are just basically solid.
I mean, the Seagraves, that book is solid as gold, so to speak.
Gold Warriors.
It has so much documentation.
We know there's a lot more gold that's been mined in the world than is officially recognized.
We know Yamashita's gold had hundreds of thousands of metric tons.
And, you know, we don't know where it all ended up.
But if you ask me, it's probably under, part of it's underneath New York banks.
Some of the big banks that are the heart of the Anglo-American.
Or possibly in the city of London.
Well, under, possibly under some of those banks there as well.
But the point is it's, most of it's probably not recoverable anymore, but it was proven illegally in court that there was such a thing as Yamashita's gold.
Rogelio Rojas, Made a big discovery, Marcus tried to take it out and all, but the point is that this is tied up to... I throw in a lot of international intrigue, Asian Pacific politics and things like that, China versus the US and all, which is, you know, very much... It's interesting that you write fiction because you seem very much rooted in fact.
Well, here's the thing.
I decided, you know what, there's a lot of great truther books out there.
But maybe there's a different way to attract people.
Now, I must say my books have not sold as well as I'd hoped, because I think they're really good books, but I figure people reading a political thriller might be more receptive to some of these arguments.
They can always, you know, look at them if they choose to, the references, or just accept, you know, my interpretation of them.
But it was a different way of approaching things.
Plus, I actually turned out to like fiction.
I was always a good writer, but, you know, I never really tried my hand at serious fiction.
I was worried about writing dialogue and all.
That came sort of naturally.
I based characters on people I knew, the dialogue and the way people I'd heard talk and all, but it's sort of like Candide in a way, Voltaire's Candide.
I'm presenting arguments, as they speak, they're presenting arguments about the truth of their position.
And back and forth, I also have counter-arguments which make it somewhat credible as well.
Now the third book, and that's White Spiritual Boy, And again, it's a really good political thriller, involves the occult financial system, which to this day, after writing that novel, it's probably, I still don't understand, it's so hidden that it would, you know, it's just one layer after another layer, you got to peel off to get to the bottom of it.
I can't say I've gotten to the bottom of it.
But the third book is what's really relevant to today.
And that's called Divided We Stand.
And that book, Starts off with three brothers, one dies in a heroin overdose, the other one's an investigative reporter, and he starts investigating the drug trade, and the realization that the United States government, CIA, is managing a lot of the drug trade, and, you know, used books like Gary Webb's Dark Alliance, and Alfred McCoy's The Politics of Heroin, and all those, some of my major sources.
But then, Later on, the key protagonist is a Mexican-American general whose brother's investigator reporter was killed in investigating the drug trade because his his the third brother was died of a heroin overdose, but after that he gets a little shaken.
He's approached by a group of generals who in the end are about performing a counter-coup to the The Deep State Cabal's coup, okay?
It's a martial arts, a martial law that's being imposed, but the generals have been monitoring this situation all along, and they turned the tables on them at the last minute.
So this relates to the question of, has Trump been monitoring what's been going on?
This is obviously a coup, what is happening right now, perhaps even as early as May.
I think that the White House was in danger of being stormed on May 30th.
It didn't happen.
But then you have the election coup.
And of course, all these other coups, you know, Ukrainegate and impeachment and, you know, FISA and all that.
But the point is, has Trump been monitoring all this?
Will the tables be turned?
That's a good question.
But anyways, it's very... Which I suspect will turn out to be the case.
I have hopes that it will.
Thus far, perhaps the counter-attack is still being developed after, you know, everything's been... No, I think he's practicing the art of war and allowing his enemies To expose themselves.
I mean, look, even today, William, we're getting, you know, declarations about what Biden intends to do in government, who to appoint to different positions.
And a lot of it is monstrous and the public would never have bought it, which of course was why they had to steal the election in the first place.
But I think it's highly informative.
And that he has already all the evidence he could possibly have ever wanted about the disposition of every legitimate vote and where it's possible to determine physically which are the fabricated votes because they lack characteristics on the legitimate votes that were in the paper.
We'll talk about this further.
I'd like to talk more about that because I do maybe have a little disagreement there, but I believe that there is certainly more information to come out, and I agree that the strategy right now is to, you know, let them get out.
Let's see who's supporting all this stuff, what their plan is, and I sort of think in the brain sciences you often will you know, inject a substance that lights up different
portions of the brain to find out what brain area is involved in this or that.
And Trump is sort of like this, this substance is going in and seeing where the antibodies
are located.
Yes, yes, yes.
Oh, you know, so-and-so betrayed me, so-and-so.
I like that.
I like that.
That's a very good analogy.
That's a very good analogy.
Okay, that's one down.
And now there's so many more that he could fire.
And the question is, why hasn't he?
We can get into that.
I'm sure you didn't just study the brain sciences in your living room where you go to university education here in the USA then.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I did a lot of research.
I'm not going to go into the details.
I don't want to get into my personal experience.
But what degrees would you have earned?
I have a Ph.D.
I've done a lot of research in a lot of areas.
Is it a Ph.D.
in brains?
William, this is for the benefit of my audience.
Is your Ph.D.
in the brain sciences?
Well, it's more in the cognitive neuroscience area.
Cognitive neuroscience.
Okay, that's good.
That's good.
But I grew up in a political family, so politics was like, I was reading Adam Smith and Karl Marx when I was young, you know?
I mean, I wasn't a chess master at a young age or anything like that, but this was in my blood.
But I decided to go a different route, but one of the beautiful things of coming back to these novels is that I was able to, you know, bring back my love of history, my knowledge of politics and tie them so much my knowledge together so but anyways I think that this third book my third book divided we stand is very very if you read that you'll realize ah yes there there is a group of people you know we call them the white hats you know that term of course
Um, and, uh, you know, they were probably involved in, in, uh, what happened at the Pentagon.
Um, as you know, the, uh, Office of Naval Intelligence was, was the target, um, a very narrow strip that had been recently renovated.
And things like that.
They didn't hit the high command of the U.S.
Department of Defense.
They didn't hit the Congress.
Yeah, you're talking about the West Wing.
Office of Naval Intelligence, which was investigating things like Project Hammer and things like that.
Now, my fourth book, which just recently was published, was about the, it was basically a critique of science, because I think science has to some extent run off the rails.
It's become a big business.
It's become agenda driven.
I highlight a couple scientists who stand out there against the crowd and one of the things that they are dealing with because they study the Van Allen belts and you know cosmic rays and all that is radiation.
They talk about the moon landing hoax, the Apollo hoax, and so that's the major conspiracy aspect or truth or aspect But a lot of that novel is really about what could happen to Earth from the standpoint of a cosmic catastrophe.
And, you know, and it's actually, you know, the magnetic reversal of the Earth means our shield is down.
And that's the name of the book.
Our Van Allen belts, our magnetic shield's down.
All this cosmic radiation can creep in, the ultraviolet radiation.
And this could really be the greatest threat to human existence.
And I deal with a lot of scientific theories about what causes mass extinctions and all that.
And I then finally get into a dystopian America after all this has happened.
And I get into all the Turmoils, all the violence and things like that.
Also, somewhat relevant to what's going on in the current day.
So, my books are very relevant, even though they don't deal with this particular issue we've had in 2020.
Who could have figured, in my wildest dreams, I never thought there would be, you know, something that's basically a nasty flu that's created mass economic chaos and destruction, mass lockdowns.
And even if somebody would have planned it, I would have never thought the American people would go along with it.
But, you know, one of the things you find out in this world is the mainstream media is controlled.
It's one of the spokes on that big Bilderberger wheel, you know, Hollywood, you know, the financial empires, the media, the deep state intelligence and all, and that media sells things.
In the end, that's why we believe all of these false flags to the extent people believe them.
It's because the media tells you that.
But once you stop believing in the mainstream media, then none of that stuff is relevant anymore.
Well, it's very interesting to hear your disquisition about your various books, which I take it are available at Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, and so forth.
If Barnes & Noble still exists, I mean, you know.
Well, you can get them on Booktopia, Amazon, and I think Barnes & Noble still.
Who knows how long on Amazon, you know.
If somebody gets wind of it, you know, maybe.
And under the name William DeBerg, right?
It's under the name William DeBerg, and you know what, they're fiction, so I doubt if anybody's gonna, you know, Well, William, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This last one about, you know, catastrophes from space, would this include, you know, the Earth being hit with a massive asteroid?
Well, actually, I don't subscribe to the asteroid theory.
I know it's very popular, but there's, I think, a lot of arguments against it.
I believe that extinctions are caused by cosmic radiation, but the very thing that protects us, okay, the Van Allen belts, It also keeps us hemmed in.
To get through those Van Allen belts would be extremely difficult.
Couldn't have been done with Apollo technology.
Right.
So, you know, we just couldn't have gone to the moon.
And the person who I've been in close contact with, you probably are well aware of him, Gerald White, down here in Sydney.
He runs the Moon Faker website, and he's basically taken every single argument that we've landed on the moon, and he's just demolished it.
And the last one that was still standing was, well, we have moon rocks, but he showed how the moon rocks were gathered from Antarctica.
They were, you know, and then he showed... Bernard Von Braun led an expedition!
1966!
You say, well, what is Bernard Von Braun doing down in Antarctica?
But he showed how they're so, they're so plentiful down there, and they got wind of it, and they started using these.
These came from outer space, and then they zapped them to act like they were being hit by, you know, Meteorites and all that sort of stuff.
And he showed how it all was done.
But he's demolished virtually every one of the arguments.
Of course, he uses other people's research as well.
I mean, I know you've, you know, written a book on that as well.
I have not read that book.
I've read several of your books.
But, you know, the point is that, you know, I think when you do the research, it becomes pretty obvious what You know, what really happened.
And you start distrusting basically anything you see on the mainstream media.
I think that's all wonderful, William.
I'm very favorably impressed.
Very nice.
Well, and I thank a lot of you for a lot of your work, and of course the work of many, many others.
I mean, the truth of the world, you know, one of the things when you look at the investigation of 9-1-1, it's really a wiki effort.
There are people from Australia, there's people from England, there's people from all over the world who have done research showing this aspect of that aspect.
You know, that's what I've been doing in my conspiracy research, bringing together groups of experts to take apart some of these fantastic stories we're told by the government to sort out truth from fiction.
And of course, as you may well know, I founded Scholars for 9-1-1 Truth in December 2005 and brought together hundreds and hundreds of experts from all around the world in a loose affiliation of collaborative research.
It was spectacular.
Yeah, and I'm a member of Scholars for 9-1-1 Truth under my real name.
I love it.
You know, one thing I have to say, though, Jim, I know that in the truth of the world, not everybody subscribes to the same views, and some people focus on things, and so I don't think it's necessarily a detriment.
I know you have some disagreements with architects and engineers for 9-1-1 truth, and yes, they are limited in what they are doing.
But in a way, they are going after, in many ways, the weakest link of the whole 9-1-1 story, Building 7.
They have hammered it.
They have done analyses.
They have really shown that cannot have happened.
And with scientific evidence, professors and all that sort of stuff, legal challenges and all that, if people don't believe Building 7 fell down spontaneously and not due to a pre-planned demolition, Then, um, then they're not going, they're going to start questioning every other aspect.
Who demolished Building 7 if it didn't come down spontaneously?
So that is a, uh, sometimes you just have to get, you know, I don't care if somebody doesn't tell maybe the complete story or doesn't believe every aspect, but if you can open a crack in people's minds, then, uh, they, they're, they're, uh, Their minds can go through it and start exploring other aspects.
So, uh, but I think it's really a wiki effort.
People have done different aspects and it's amazing that the American people really, I think truly, uh, have become, uh, the majority of them have become truthers in many ways.
Well, of course, I know Richard Gage.
I invited him to be a speaker at my False Flag and Conspiracies conference, which has now been moved from Austin, where it would have been held this past weekend, to be a virtual conference on the 5th and 6th of December.
I'm bringing together two dozen experts on many different issues, including 9-11, JFK, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, sex crimes, racial hoaxes, the whole bit.
I mean, it's a vast array.
Which I just mentioned here, since it fits so well into our conversation, where anyone can check it out at falseflagconspiracies2020.com.
I repeat that, falseflagconspiracies2020.com.
And they can review the entire program, see the bios, photographs of all the speakers.
I will be moderating the program.
All through the internet, so you can take it in in the comfort of your own home.
And my opinion about how timely this is, William, concerns that we're now enveloped in a multiplicity of conspiracies.
We got conspiracies within conspiracies, because As you were already implying, the coronavirus phenomenon, this is a political pandemic, not a medical emergency.
And within that, we have the attempt to, you know, destroy the middle class and small businesses, not just in the United States, but worldwide, to promote what's being referred to as the Great Reset.
And within that, we have the Democratic Party putting together a hoax candidate with a hoax platform
and making fraudulent announcements where they have rigged the election.
I mean, it's more massive than any ever previous attempt in history.
And it's just stunning.
I say today that if one is not a conspiracy theorist, then you're a gullible sap.
I mean, those are the choices.
Because you either understand what's going on, and we're talking about really enormous contemporary events that have been taking place over this past year that are enveloping and affecting Everyone's live, and I really think it's important that it all be exposed, and I'm glad you are doing what you can to expose it.
The chat room has asked for the link.
So I'm typing it in.
There it is.
Falselagconspiracies2020.com.
Now let me just return to your point about Building 7.
Yes, yes, yes.
Building 7 is, as it were, the weakest link.
But the problem is, It's a little too obvious.
I mean, it didn't take years.
Dan Rather was describing this as a controlled demolition, just like we saw happening with resorts and casinos in Las Vegas when it happened.
So he was actually describing it accurately at that very time on 9-11 at 5-20 in the afternoon Eastern Time, William.
We didn't really need architects and engineers to spell it out.
I think it's marvelous that you have a group of several thousand Under the leadership of Richard Gage, but look!
Richard has explained to me that it's part of the charter of architects and engineers that they not address who was responsible and why.
And I say to the American people, you know, these debates about how it was done turned out to be virtually meaningless or unimportant or unintelligible if there's not a context.
Now, if they understood That 9-11 was an orchestrated op where the CIA was in complicity with the neocons of the Department of Defense and the Mossad to fake an attack and blame it on, you know, 9-11 Islamic terrorists under the control of a guy in a cave in Afghanistan, none of which was true, where the guy in the cave actually was our man in Afghanistan, that he'd been instrumental in getting Stinger missiles into the hands of the Mujahideen, that he was an officer in the CIA kernel
Tim Osman, that he actually was visited in a hospital in Dubai by an... I mentioned that in my book.
Yeah, that's good, by an official of the agency, you know, but shortly before his death in Afghanistan on the 15th of December 2001, where he was buried in an unmarked grave where there were local obituaries, Well, Fox and CNN both reported his death on 26 December 2001, that Barack Obama simply took advantage of the opportunity to resurrect him and have him die again, to claim that he'd taken out the most wanted man in the world and positioned himself for a triumphal re-election.
But it was all political, all Hollywood political theater.
I mean, this is so insulting how the American people have been played.
Now, if Richard Gage and architects and engineers were doing something like that, I would applaud them.
But it's even true.
I'm going to give you a chance to hear my guess.
But it's even true that their theory of how it was done is indefensible.
I and Team Mark Hightower, who is a chemical engineer, published three articles already in 2011 explaining that nanothermite was a female explosive.
That it wasn't even capable of destroying concrete, much less steel.
That it's a law of material science that in order to destroy a material you must have a detonation velocity equal to or greater than the speed of sound in that material.
That the speed of sound in concrete is 3200 feet per second, or meters per second actually, in steel 6100 meters per second, but that the highest detonation velocity attributed to nanothermite in the scientific literature is only 895 meters per second, meaning it can't possibly have been responsible for destroying the towers.
So he not only is not willing to talk about who was responsible and why, he gives a feeble and inadequate explanation of how it was done.
I mean, that's my critique of architects and engineers.
Right.
Well, but one thing that is important is they do accept that the towers were brought down.
And, you know, I'm not really an expert in all that.
I think a lot of conventional explosives were apparently, quite frankly, Used and also something brought it down from below.
The conventional explosive had to be used because you had to turn all that that rubble, the dust, before it landed.
Otherwise you would have 50 stories of steel that would be just piled up and it would be an ungodly.
Actually getting back to your point, I think that one thing and you know we need Jim Fetzer's in the world because you're a truther You know, more of a generalist truther.
You go into all the aspects of it and all.
But one of the things that, you know, the Building 7 architects and engineers do, they bring scientific credibility to one aspect.
When people say, oh, where's the science behind this truther stuff?
Well, in one aspect, they've got tremendous, tremendous science.
And one other thing, You said, well Dan Rather said, oh this is controlled demolition.
I believe one of the, I forget who the network announcers was,
I think he's still on NBC, he got into trouble, I forget his name, but anyways, he said,
oh look, the planes are going through the building, and you saw that video clip of the plane
going right through the building on Skate on September 11th, which was, Ace Baker has shown how it was all done
with video compositing and all that.
Then you have Jamie McIntyre who said, you know, right on the day it happened,
there was no plane that hit the Pentagon.
I was right here, believe me, there was no plane that hit the Pentagon.
All those things exist out there, but they're buried now.
People don't have access.
Even Jamie McIntyre, I heard a clip 10 years later, and it was clear as day when he said there was no plane that hit the Pentagon, yet he's denying that.
He said, well, people misinterpreted what I said.
He recanted.
So, you know, all these things that you see on the day of the thing that, you know, show to the preposterous of these theories, they can be sort of buried.
But, you know, sometimes you do need, in one area perhaps, intense scientific investigation.
So, I have ruled out, but on the other hand, I agree with you that, you know, we have to understand the whole context of these things, the whole story of it.
And I think what's happening now with the events, as I mentioned in my third book, Divided We Stand, and I think I mentioned in the post that I had sent you, what's happening is the Bilderberger Cabal is losing.
They're losing badly.
They've lost The Middle East, by and large.
They've lost economic ground to China and Russia.
Militarily, they're losing.
In this country, the alternative press is becoming more popular than the mainstream media.
They're losing on every turn.
And so, they have gotten very desperate.
And the fact that they did this COVID Lockdown, what I call the panacdemic.
They had the riots.
I call it a color revolution in May and June.
I call it, you know, unlike some of these other colors, a black color revolution.
That was the Color of Black Lives Matter and Antifa, they were trying to get rid of the president.
They literally, I think, were trying to storm the White House on May 30th.
The Secret Service were doing everything they could.
The lights were out.
The helicopter was ready to be lifted.
Trump probably was in the bunker.
He denies it.
He probably was.
You know, but the point is that if he'd have left, that could have looked very bad and had the military not supported him.
Trump rallied.
Trump always seems to rally.
On July 4th at Mount Rushmore, he turns the tables, talks about American values.
Then the convention and the Republican convention, a big success, starts having these massive rallies again.
You know, he's turned the tables.
Trump is beating them at every turn.
No one else could do it outside of Donald Trump.
There's no Jim Fetzer or William DeBerg.
We'd be wiped out in a second.
Think about what this meant.
He took the strongest Republican field in history.
16, they had congressmen, senators, governors, medical doctors, just A talented field, a national champion debater, and he had Ted Cruz, you know, spinning around, Marco Rubio spinning around, John Kasich spinning around.
He literally destroyed this field, and he destroyed Hillary Clinton.
And, you know, he has taken an enormous amount of pounding, but he's still standing, and he's on his counterattack, as we mentioned.
William, I agree with a lot of what you said.
Just a couple of fine points.
I mean, I know Ace Baker.
I've interviewed him before.
I had a high opinion of him until he faked suicide on a new radio show I had, which I lost because he faked it.
I thought it was real and called the California Highway Patrol, and they investigated, turned it over to the L.A.
cops, and explained to me he regarded it as performance art.
His theory, his work at 9-11, Psy-Opera, really excellent on most regards, but The theory of video compositing, which would mean adding the images of the plane in the 17 seconds between the time that the film is shot and it's actually broadcast, cannot be correct if the hundreds of witnesses we have who claim to have seen a plane approaching the building in real time are correct.
And because there are so many, although their reports are highly diverse, some say large plane, some say small, some say military, some say commercial, There's enough there at the core, including firemen who aren't known to be fantasists, that I believe there were those who saw what they took to be a plane approaching the building, which would not be true if Ace Baker's account were correct.
But where I assess, you know, the Web Fairy, Rosalie Grable's theory of CGI, and Ace Baker's theory of video compositing, and This fellow from the UK is a brilliant theory about the use of holograms in a study I've done in about 9-11.
9-11, Who is Responsible and Why?
Which everyone can find on Bitshoot or 153news.net.
Just look for it.
9-11, Who is Responsible and Why?
Brian Rue was hosting me when I did that show and another on JFK, Who is Responsible and Why?
Let me also say about Jamie McIntyre, because I play, you know, a clip where Jamie is talking about his response to the anchor on the occasion, and he's right in front of the Pentagon, and being asked about the plane who hit the Pentagon, and he says, well, you know, you might think that, but from my close-up inspection, there's no sign of a large plane having hit anywhere near the Pentagon, They're only little large pieces.
You could pick up your hand, but no sides, no wings, no tail.
Now here's the thing.
William, William, William.
Here's the thing.
He was pressured to recant, and what he said was actually not a repudiation.
What he said was only a fool would deny that a plane had hit the Pentagon, meaning he'd been a fool to think that his employers wanted him to report the truth from the scene on 9-11.
I mean he retired.
He retired from the news business.
He was their single best reporter bar none and yet he felt carrying this heavy water of lies was too much of a burden and he would not do it.
Yeah well yeah so the one thing I would have to mention is that I don't know how you feel.
Now I have not seen the original work.
I've seen The statistics that Morgan Reynolds presented that actually very, very few people, only one claimed to have heard and seen the first plane that hit the towers and a few more did, but the vast majority of people never saw or heard the planes hit.
And some of the later videos had people saying, oh, look at that plane hit.
They weren't in the original videos.
So I just think that there's, A lot of evidence that planes never hit.
I actually... William!
William!
William!
The question is, what we saw in the videos, were they real planes?
I mean, it's easy for people to think they were real planes.
It was Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood who beat up on me for a year and a half as a chair of scholars to take a serious look at the video evidence about flight 175, because I thought the whole idea, planes hadn't hit the building, was preposterous.
But I discovered clear evidence of fakery.
It's obvious these were not real planes.
Here's one of the best arguments, which Morgan has emphasized, but it originated with a fellow who used to work for Boeing, and it designed the shaker system where you can put a fuselage of a plane under stress on the ground to see what it could handle in flight.
Namely, that what's supposed to be a Boeing 767 passes its entire length into the South Tower in the same number of frames it passes its entire length through air, which is a physical absurdity unless a massive 500,000 ton steel and concrete building poses no more resistance to the trajectory of an aircraft in flight than air.
That's a reductio.
So obviously we're watching something impossible.
I think that the American people are so used to the willing suspension of disbelief, the concept of, you know, allowing yourself to engage as though what you were watching were real, Which is appropriate to movies and theater and the like.
I mean, this is a phrase from criticism, you know, the willing suspension of disbelief that they don't know how to distinguish between reality and illusion in real life.
They've lost that capacity.
That's part of, I think, your concern about the American people being incapable of sorting these things out, even though You're correct.
Of course, Architects and Engineers has done a tremendous amount to illuminate the public about Building 7, but without the context.
I think that's the failure.
You have these big billboards on Times Square, no less, showing Building 7 go down, and it was indeed a classic controlled demolition, and we did have leftover About 12% of the height of the original, which was 47 floors, 5 1⁄2 floors.
Had the Twin Towers collapsed, as we were told, you'd have a similar 12% of 110 floors for each, which would be about 13 1⁄2 floors, but they were not there.
A first responder from St.
Mark's Episcopal Church Father Frank Morales has been on my shows twice, and both times he denied there was any debris that the buildings he asserted were both destroyed to or even below, slightly below ground level, which completely obliterates the idea that they were collapses, just as it reaffirms that the mode of destruction of the Twin Towers was completely different than that of Building 7, because you did have
A classic controlled demolition for Building 7 and five and a half floors of debris thereafter.
Well, clearly the demolition of Building 7 was different than the Twin Towers, but were they both brought down from below?
I believe they were, but there was disguise in the case of building the Twin Towers.
But let me just say this, Jim.
The truth of the world is winning.
Most people Don't believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy alone or even if he shot them.
I think if you look at people who actually have studied Building 7 and some of these other phenomenon, they don't believe the official account of that either.
You have people suddenly have become truthers after seeing how Jeffrey Epstein was, you know, you know, suicided or murdered or perhaps just exited in jail.
People Now doubt a lot.
The problem is that people have busy lives.
They don't always have the time to investigate, so they're more likely to accept things.
But It's becoming, uh, the mainstream media is losing its clout.
Every year the percentage of people that believe the mainstream media, uh, is going down.
And they know that.
They can no longer influence public opinion the way alternative media can.
So, um, this is why they needed to Do something very major and in my book Divided We Stand I talk about the whole goal is to eliminate the militia movement which is a threat physical threat to the United States martial law and also the alternative media.
And what they're doing with social media, I call Silicon Valley basically Build-A-Burger West, because these social media companies were all basically linked to the government, started a lot of times with CIA intelligence, venture capital, and things like that.
So what's happening is that the social media is now taking over censorship.
And so they're getting rid of the alternative media just by banning things right and left.
Even, you know, responsible sites like Breitbart aren't getting on certain social media platforms.
And the thing that people don't realize who are on the fence on this election, it's only going to get worse.
If Trump's in there, if Trump can get re-elected, if the legislatures of the swing states Nullify the elections and do not award electors.
I'm not saying they should award them to Trump.
They just nullify and do not award electors.
He can win by, there will not be a majority of electoral votes for Joe Biden and it could go to the House and Trump could win.
The point is that if Trump stays in, these social media companies are going to be in serious trouble and a lot of other people who have been brought out, have been found out by this This election chaos and the election rigging and all that, they're gonna be in some deep trouble.
It's a life-or-death matter for the Bilderberger cabal, and it shouldn't be a life-or-death matter for every American, every patriotic American, or every honest American.
But there's a lot of Americans who voted for Trump who think, oh, what can we do about it now?
They might bellyache on a post or something.
No.
People need to start realizing the only way you're going to overturn this is by getting the legislatures to nullify the elections in certain key states.
The GOP controls Arizona.
It controls Wisconsin.
big, big Republican majorities in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and Georgia.
Now Georgia is going through a full audit.
It has a Republican secretary of state, Republican governor.
It's gonna go through a whole audit.
Probably the results, whatever they are, they could go in Trump's favor, will be accepted.
But those other states in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, if those legislatures feel enough pressure
from people to say, look, if you don't nullify this election,
you're not gonna win the next GOP primary.
Or if you win the next GOP primary, you're not going to get my vote in the general election.
Politicians understand, you know, that if they're out of office, no politician wants to be thrown out of office.
Okay.
So they respond to pressure.
William, I think he's in better shape than you surmise.
It appears that he, in fact, had anticipated.
You go back and look at, you know, his remarks over the years.
I mean, there was an attempt to rig the election for Hillary, for crying out loud.
Robert Epstein, the editor-in-chief of Psychology Today, over a year ago, testified to Congress that Google had given Hillary between 2.4 and 10.2 million votes in the 2016 election.
Similarly to today, all the polls were rigged.
They were supposed to show why she got this vote, which was stage managed by anticipation, just as they have this time.
The company that had the control of the counting of the votes in 30 states, Dominion Voting Systems, Guess this.
The chief executive officer of Dominion Voting Systems is the chief of staff of Nancy Pelosi.
The principal investor in Dominion Voting Systems is the husband of Dianne Feinstein.
I mean, you would think this kind of outrageous conflict of interest couldn't arise, but here it is.
Not only that, but a very alert election official in Michigan noticed what was called a glitch, where 6,000 votes that had been cast for Trump were accounted for Biden.
Well, it appears this was happening on a massive scale.
They were either switching votes or outright losing them.
And in every single case, William, the votes that were switched or the votes that were lost were Trump votes or switches to Biden.
None of them involved any switch to Donald Trump, proving that this was an arranged event.
Now, What I have just learned today is that Dominion Voting Systems has an arrangement where it not only tabulates, but it actually looks at the ballot and can change the vote on the ballot.
It has a three-part system.
It's got a scanner, a tabulate, and a printer as all part of it, which means They can reconstruct the actual physical ballots that were cast so that, you know, this looks like a foolproof system.
Now here's what the public still doesn't know, but they're going to learn in short order.
In anticipation, knowing they were going to try to steal the election, Donald Trump was a very proactive guy, surreptitiously went about securing the legitimate votes by having a watermark imposed on the paper that would be used by the various states for the votes to be cast upon with a watermark and its ingredients were trackable using a blockchain technology such that
After the election, Steve Pucinich went on InfoWars and he was practically laughing about how all the votes were trackable, they knew where every vote went, they knew who had it, they knew who cast it, and by comparison they could ascertain exactly how many fraudulent votes had been cast.
I was immediately concerned whether this was true and sought verification from someone with contact with the Trump administration He vouched that indeed it was true, the use of the blockchain technology.
On the date of the election, 3 November, Millennia was wearing a dress that had a design of blockchain pattern.
I mean, it's just fascinating.
Oh, really?
That's all encouraging news.
I didn't initially trust Steve Pichinik.
He said some things in the past that I didn't actually, you know, for instance, he said Moammar Gaddafi was still alive.
I don't think very many people think he's any more alive than Elvis right now, but so I didn't place a lot of stock, but what you're saying, that would be encouraging to know.
I would still think you would need the Secretaries of State from Democratic held states to go along with this.
Certainly in Georgia, there may be very well such ballots that exist.
That was run by the Republicans.
But I can't say, and you know, why would the Democrats who were cheating in Pennsylvania allow something like this to occur?
So I don't know, you know.
Well, they didn't know.
He didn't share it with the Democrats, William.
They didn't have any idea.
I'm telling you, the situation is completely different.
It means he's adept at practicing the art of war as he is practicing the art of the deal.
Because he's allowed the Democrats to all come out and show themselves.
There are enemies of Trump who have acknowledged their dislike of him, that they never cared for him by acting in the false belief that Joe Biden has been elected president.
The recaps that are going on, there are right now, William, lawsuits in seven crucial states That means that no votes can be certified in any of those seven crucial states.
They represent 94 electoral votes.
Those states are Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.
And I believe North Carolina has already been called for Trump and that these other states are also going to be called for Trump.
Rudy Giuliani has been reporting about it and said that an honest total would yield Trump Something like, I don't know, 320 electoral votes or more.
Actually, they have a tabulation that when you exclude the fake votes, Trump got like 73 million and Biden got like 23 million.
It was that much of a discrepancy.
I've read that on your post.
I can't really say anything to that effect, but I will say that You found it interesting that Dominion was related to some of the Democratic office holders, such as Dianne Feinstein and Pelosi.
But you've got to remember, until Trump came along, the Democrats and Republicans, both parties were controlled by the deep state, the cabal, so to speak.
Trump upsets that, okay?
Now the Democrats become part of the deep state, and so, you know, Trump obviously isn't going to go along with this, but in the olden days, who cares if they're more aligned with the Democrats or whatever?
Usually they get people from both parties to go along with this, but, you know, as far as what will transpire, I think there's enough fraud and lawsuits and all that, even in the absence of any watermarking revelations or anything like that that would be fantastic if it is but there's enough uh there's enough fraud and lawsuits that even if some secretary of state were to certify the election the legislatures under enough pressure would nullify that result and they could get away with it because the constitution is very clear the legislatures are given the prerogative of sending electors to the elect nobody else is given that prerogative so um now um
You know, we'll see what happens, but I think that the key is that even if there's not any resolution to all these lawsuits, all you have to do is have a climate of fraud that's about, and the legislatures will have to act.
Well, my understanding is that not only does Trump have all these lawsuits in the seven states that preclude certification, which means that The victor in the election has yet to be determined, which means all this talk about Biden as a president-elect is nothing but bullshit, and it's being massively repeated by enemies of the state who masquerade as the mainstream media and even, you know, television, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN,
MSNBC, even Fox participated in the scam by calling Arizona way too early.
I mean, it's all important.
We know who controls them, Jim.
But here, let me use this analogy.
In Venezuela, there was this phony candidate, Juan Guaido, okay?
And he said, I'm the president, okay?
But he had no military backing.
He had no popular backing.
Yeah, a lot of foreign leaders gave him these phony endorsements.
But in the end, he was left out there sort of twisting in the wind.
He had no power.
He was looking like a fool.
And by Trump, Stemming the GOP defections.
Right now, Biden is sitting there doing nothing, powerless, while Trump has all the momentum.
He has the power plays.
He's going to have the rallies.
There are going to be Trump trains going again.
It's going to be, you know, massive things again.
The popular support is going to be behind him.
Joe Biden is going to be in his basement again.
The perception, see so much of it's the perception of things, and people are going to see who's the real president.
Legislatures are going to be under a lot of pressure not to allow the results of these elections to stand.
Now the Democrats will sue, but when it gets to the Supreme Court, who's going to, who are they going to vote for?
Now I can tell you four Supreme Court justices are going to vote with the Republicans, and there's a reason why.
Alito, he's already expressed displeasure at the Democrats for violating the Supreme Court directive in Pennsylvania.
He also spoke out at the State of the Union against Obama.
Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett and Clarence Thomas were all treated very discourteously or roughly at their hearings.
Okay, people say well Amy Coney Barrett was treated well.
No, the Democrats refused to even Stand there during the judiciary vote.
The walkout was so much of a discourteous move.
She's not going to vote with the Democrats.
Neil Gorsuch?
Don't know how he's going to vote.
But, you know, right now, probably there's five votes that will side with the Republicans on all these legislative decisions.
And then, if worse comes to worse, it'll go to the House of Representatives, where, on a state-by-state basis, one vote, the Republicans are going to dominate.
So, it's far from over.
But right now, the media claims he won, just as they did Juan Guaido.
The foreign leaders have claimed that he's won, just like, you know, Juan Guaido.
Juan Guaido was an emperor with no clothes.
He had no power and he looked like a fool in the end.
And Joe Biden, if he doesn't get out there and rally people, which he can't really do because he really doesn't have any legitimate supporters.
That's the point.
He never could draw anybody at a rally.
He can't rally people.
Trump can draw 50,000 people, 100,000 people at some of these rallies.
Trump trains will be going all over the place.
The perception is that Trump will have won the election, period.
But Well, they're doing their best to try to make it look as though there's forward momentum by Biden talking about his new administration, new policies, new lockdown, mask mandate, a host of other horrific consequences that would follow if he were actually to occupy the office.
But you may be unaware of a point I've been making repeatedly, namely that the guy who came out on the stage to debate Donald Trump the first and the second time was not Joe Biden.
It was a guy who looks a lot like Joe Biden, but if you are a student of these matters, as am I, if it was not difficult to sort out that it wasn't Joe Biden, what Let me share with you some of what we knew going in.
I did a live commentary on both of the debates and the vice presidential with two colleagues, Giuseppe Vaffangulo from the District of Criminals and David Scorpio from the exotic land of Ecuador, where we're doing a need-to-know, a daily report on the latest political developments.
And we've We've done a vast number of these before this show.
I was doing another called Real Deal Reports that began way back, oh, in March or whatever, so that I've been doing virtually a daily report every single day, virtually, for the last six or seven months, William.
Now, the thing about this is I've also been a student of body doubles, which occur in many different contexts.
It had to do with differentiating between Who was in the doorway at the Book Depository when JFK's motorcade passed by?
Because there were a number of early students who were aware that it was Lee Oswald, but the government sought to obfuscate, claiming it was a co-worker, Billy Lovelady.
We have nailed that down on the basis of the height, the weight, the build, the shirt, and the t-shirt the man in the doorway was wearing, which were the same as the height, the weight, the build, the shirt, and the t-shirt Lee Oswald was wearing when he was arrested.
We already knew Lee was in the doorway, but Larry Rivera, a colleague of mine who's mastered the principles of photogrammetry, which is the application of mathematics to the study of photographs, was able to get photographs of Lee and of Billy from the right perspective that it could do a superposition over the facial features of the man in the doorway in this very famous photograph taken by AP photographer James Ike Alchin.
Where you can see, through a gif he creates, that the features are those of Lee Oswald and not those of Billy Lovelady.
For Billy, the ears are too low, the jaw's too big, the nose is wrong.
So this was a masterful work by Larry, such that when I became deeply involved in Sandy Hook research, And one of my colleagues, Kelly Watt, suggested that one of the deceased children actually bore a striking resemblance to another person who was supposed to be his older stepbrother, Michael Vabner, where the decedent was named Noah Posner.
I sent Larry photographs of the two and just asked if they were the same person without giving any context, any background.
He didn't know their purported names.
He didn't know it had anything to do with Sandy Hook.
And he created a GIF where you can see Noah Posner turned into Michael Vavner because how they fake the kids at Sandy Hook was using photographs of older kids when they were children.
In fact, Mona Alexis Presley has discovered that some of the parents cynically use photographs of themselves when they were children to be Sandy Hook kids.
Third then, Hillary Clinton has used body doubles from the time she collapsed at the 9-11 memorial prior to the election in 2016.
They rather unceremoniously threw her into an ambulance masquerading as an SUB and took her back to Chelsea's new apartment, which Chelsea didn't really need.
She already had a wonderful swanky apartment in Manhattan.
Well, this one had the advantage of a private hospital on the same floor, so they closed the hospital.
Now it had only one patient, Hillary Clinton.
Well, the Clinton team became so anxious and worried the public would become concerned about the state of her health,
they decided to fake it by sending out a body double.
She's younger, thinner, much healthier, pleasant, very unlike Hillary.
She reminds me of one of my favorite actresses, so I refer to her as the Meg Ryan double.
Then a couple days later on a flight to Charlotte, North Carolina,
they use a second double, shorter, a little heavier with a more sloped forehead.
I refer to her as a Meryl Streep double.
Believe it or not, however, they had an even better Hillary double, and they use her to debate Bernie Sanders and debate Donald Trump.
It sounds astonishing.
I have documented it.
In a video entitled Fake News Issues of Identity.
And part of their success, William, is that voice morphing has succeeded to an extent that this Hillary body double had a little metallic voice box that gave her a voice indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton.
Now, the New York Times, the following February of 2017, had a story about Hillary's in the house, claiming she'd attended the four plays on Broadway with photographs.
And I wrote to the reporter, I said, you know, that was a very interesting story, but none of those women was Hillary.
Never heard a word, not peep about it, you know, the New York Times.
The last thing it wants to do is publish anything true.
It's become a rag.
I call it the Langley Newsletter.
It's just outrageous.
Now I'm giving you this background and it's only partial just to lay out why I would be more open I also discovered, by the way, in the process of study, when I was urged by one of the fans of my radio show, that was at the time the real deal, to study Paul McCartney based on rumors that Paul McCartney had died and been replaced.
I had a hard time making a judgment like that based upon clues in the music and so forth and rumors and so forth, but when a couple of Italian forensic scientists set out to disprove the hypothesis and wound up proving it, Then I realized we really did have enough material here to conclude that indeed, yes, Paul McCartney did die.
It appears on 9-11-1966.
By my best account, though, exactly how this happened is disputed.
It was in an automobile accident.
It had an argument with John.
It was raining.
He left the studio angry.
A woman was stranded in the rain.
He gave her a lift.
She got so excited by discovering she was in the car with Paul McCartney She wrapped her arms around him.
He ran a light.
He was hit by a truck.
He got pinned in.
She got out.
The vehicle burst into flame.
He died.
So they had a problem.
What to do?
Ringo appears to have raised the question, what about the band?
You may recall or not that it was at this period that the manager of the Beatles declared they weren't going to do any live concerts again with a preposterous explanation they couldn't hear themselves singing as though they wanted to hear themselves singing.
They wanted to hear the yells and cheers of the adoring fans.
I mean, that's a big adrenaline rush.
They stopped doing tours because it would have been too obvious that this person, the replacement, and at the time they might not have even actually figured out how they were going to do it, was not Paul McCartney.
So what they did was to bring in, it was a session musician known as a man of a thousand voices.
He could sound just like Paul McCartney.
He was a little too tall.
He looked somewhat like Paul.
They sent him to Africa, had him some plastic surgery, and he finally passed.
And John said, well, I think this will do.
And in Sgt.
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, they introduced him as the one and only Billy Shears.
And on the album, you can see that's a grave, and there's a left-handed guitar on the grave.
This is for Paul.
On the left, you see Madame Toussaint's whack works of the original Beatles.
They're all about the same height.
And then you see the resplendent new Sgt.
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, where Paul is now.
Noticeably taller.
This is when the Beatles started wearing mustaches and beards and all this stuff.
I've done a whole lot of interviews about it.
Nicholas Kohlerstrom of the UK, who's a leading expert on the London 7-7 subway attacks, for his book Terror on the Tube, is now in, I think, in a fifth edition.
He had wonderful photographs, the very first, of the appearance of the new Paul, who's referred to as Paul, F-A-U-L, for False Paul.
Now let me just tell you a little about the physical characteristics.
The Italian forensic scientists discovered there's a difference in the shape of their crania.
Paul is rounder, the Fall is more oval.
Paul always had this boyish exuberance.
Fall does not have that.
In addition, Paul's teeth were bad and he had a narrow palate.
Well, Paul's teeth are good and he has a normal palate.
In addition, and the Asher family went along with this, I think for the sake of the band and out of concern that followers of the Beatles, especially those who love Paul, might commit suicide if they learned he was dead.
You see, we have photographs of Paul with Jane Asher and they're approximately the same height.
We have photographs of Paul with Jane Asher and he's four inches taller.
Now I'm saying all this just to explain why when I looked at this guy on the stage with Donald Trump, it was more obvious to me than it would have been to others that this was actually a body double.
The key in this case is the ears.
Even with Paul and Paul, they have different ears because ears are as distinctive as fingerprints.
Well, Fall actually has taken to wearing a false earpiece.
I've never heard of anyone else in history wearing a false earpiece, but that is indeed the case for Fall.
And, you know, he's even written a book about it, The Memoirs of Billy Shears, where he can't admit, in fact, it's written as though it were a piece of fiction, rather like the way you write, but it's just a mammoth book with all kinds of details that convince me it's authentic or real work.
Now, The ears are the key, again.
Joe Biden had ears that turn upward where they connect to his skull.
So he had what are called pendant lobes, you know, they kind of hang down apart.
The Biden-Dumbell, however, have ears that connect straight down to the skin.
They don't have a pendant lobe.
They don't turn upward.
Plus, the skull of the body double is slightly narrower, Biden slightly wider.
The body double, and James Woods, the actor, was the first to tweet about this, the body double has brown eyes, Joe Biden has blue eyes.
Here are a couple of behavioral tells, and just a little background here.
We knew before Before the debate, we had reports that the Biden team already had the questions.
We also had reports that Joe Biden had had a skull implant so he could get instructions, you know, through the radio without having to wear a wire.
Perhaps most importantly, we had a defection from the staff who reported that the anti-dementia medication Joe
Biden was taking had the unfortunate side effect of incontinence.
So they'd actually had staff meetings on what type of adult diaper Joe Biden should
wear that would be least visible through his clothing and least crinkling sound when he urinated,
leading me to conjecture that Joe has a life after politics making commercials for the pants.
Now, the key is this.
It was only going to be a 90-minute debate, but the Biden people asked for a break after every 30 minutes, no doubt to change his diaper.
When the Trump people denied it, they went with plan B. They sent out the body double.
We all know Joe Biden is cognitively compromised.
Can't remember the state he's in, what office he's running from, even if the woman next to him is his wife.
And by the way, I took the additional measure of looking how the body double for Biden interacts with Jill and found many photographs.
And everyone can verify everything I'm telling them.
Saying right now for themselves, because there are tens of thousands of the old Joe Biden to compare with tens of thousands of the new Joe Biden.
When Jill was with Joe, the real Joe, she was just beaming, hand in hand, arm in arm, and he has this big shit-eating smile on his face, very characteristic of the real Joe Biden.
I found photographs of the body double with her.
They're not holding hands.
She looks very solemn, even glum, maybe apprehensive about this hoax being found out.
He's not smiling.
He's just completely different.
Not only that, but he was wearing a wire, which we knew Joe Biden wouldn't need.
And he has a single Windsor when he ties his knot, whereas Joe Biden uses a double.
So what I'm suggesting here is if all else fails, I think the election could be nullified because of fraud, a messy fraud perpetrated by the Democrats by putting out a candidate called Joe Biden, who wasn't Joe Biden at all.
Right now, we don't even know who this guy is.
Well, Jim, you know, I can't really comment on some of the things you're talking about.
You know, what you're talking about, Paul McCartney, it's all amazing stuff, and I know you've done some work, but let me just say that I'm open to everything you say, because no matter how far out it might sound, I always Say, Jim Fetzer, you never, you never discount what he's saying.
So I did look at when he gave his, not his acceptance speech, but the Friday night before when he was supposed to, but the election still hadn't called for him.
He did have brown eyes, that individual.
Not the blue eyes that Joe Biden's known for.
And I couldn't tell about his earlobes, but I have seen pictures of different earlobes on Joe Biden, which, as you say, that's a signature, you know, identify, a strong identifier.
So, um, and it couldn't have been due to facial surgery or anything.
So I, I, you know, I, I think that there, but, but here's the thing I have to say, I only saw the first debate.
Okay.
I didn't see the town hall and, uh, I did see parts of the third debate.
The first debate, whoever that person was, He was not doing well.
He had word-finding difficulties, slurring his words, he had mental blocks, he had this, he would talk about hundreds of thousands of African Americans going to die by December, you know, all these fantastical numbers which, you know, made no sense.
So that person was not cognitively that swift on the first debate, okay?
Now, was that the real Joe Biden or wasn't?
But I have a feeling that Joe Biden is in serious Cognitive, perhaps dementia, based on what his debate performance was in June of last year.
I mean, he was having trouble in June of last year, and a year later, it's not going to get any better.
And so, you know.
Very good.
Very good.
And this is falling into your area.
Yes, I like all this, William, and I appreciate your open mindedness about it.
And willingness to, you know, consider the proposition.
I have a blog about it that's been getting around.
Joe Biden vs. Debate Biden.
Just not the same guy at jamesfetzer.org.
Anyone who wants to check it out, go to jamesfetzer.org and look for it.
It's now about the third or fourth blog there.
Joe Biden vs. Debate Biden.
I guarantee you I've done so much work in this area.
I'm not wrong about this.
I did read that article and I did, you know... Good, good, good.
Yeah, William.
Well, I appreciate that.
I mean, you have made so many intelligent comments on my blog that I wanted to feature you here tonight.
So I regard you as an individual of high intelligence who's paying attention to what's going on.
But let's get to this other point.
Even if you had a mentally competent imposter Joe Biden, where is he going to draw the crowds when Trump starts doing his rallies and rallying people and pressuring legislatures and all that sort of stuff?
Biden cannot match that.
The mainstream media will have to repeat the same old thing, Biden's the winner, Biden's the winner, but after a while it loses its luster.
So I still maintain Joe Biden is sort of like Juan Guaido.
He says he's the president, foreign dignitaries say he's the president, the media crowns him the president, But he has no power and he's just sitting there looking impotent and I think this is a bad image and I think Donald Trump's going to capitalize on it.
I think by the time all the votes are counted and they segregate the faulty from the original That you're going to find Trump has already been elected President of the United States.
I'm not even convinced they're going to have to go to the Supreme Court.
It appears, based on a preliminary assessment, that Trump won with about 73 million votes and that Biden got about 23 million by comparison.
In other words, Trump beat him by about 50 million votes, which is certainly consistent with the kind of turnouts we've seen in the past, where even Biden and Kamala couldn't draw a crowd.
I mean, when Donald Trump came to Kenosha, which is just about two hours from where I reside, just south of Madison, there was a string of citizens five blocks long waiting to see Trump.
When Biden got there, there was one person, one woman out to meet.
That's what happened in all the cities in America.
It's just Yeah, and you can see how the mainstream media is just lying his face off.
It's become nothing but a propaganda instrument of the deep state.
I mean, it's disgusting.
It's been that way since Operation Mockingbird.
We just didn't know it.
We thought these people were honest and all that.
We didn't know until Operation Mockingbird came out that all these top journalists and all were under the aegis of the CIA on their payroll.
So, I mean, what is new about that?
The new thing is that we now have an alternative media that we Didn't have in the 1960s and 70s.
Now we have an alternative media, and that's the problem for the deep state.
People are turning to other sources.
You know, it's not just Breitbart and Infowars and, you know, your blogs.
There's a million different alternative blogs now people go to, you know, sharing information.
It's just amazing how fast the information can get on about the truth of these matters.
Just look at the comments section.
I used to comment.
I was kicked off Reuters.
I used to comment on CNN.
Every article they would do, there'd be a million comments saying, no, this is false.
You know, and people would explain how it was false, present facts and all that sort of stuff.
Finally, they deleted all the comment sections.
The only place you can go to InfoWars get comments, you can go to Breitbart and get comments, but none of the mainstream media sites have comments anymore because it was embarrassing to them that all the comments would immediately challenge their stories.
So nobody really believes the mainstream media anymore.
And here's something to keep in mind.
A lot of my friends are Democratic because, you know, I'm a registered Democrat.
I voted for every presidential candidate until 2016 on the Democratic side.
A lot of people think I'm still democratic, but not one of my democratic friends has Express any celebration because I think deep down they have a real trepidation about what's happening in terms of the fraud.
They all know that this this election is going to be uh probably not going to stand uh if it if it stands somehow it's going to be uh after some nasty legislative bruises and all and Biden will never be accepted by the you know most of the American public so You know, the main thing is that the difference between what you're saying about Biden and what you're saying about Paul McCartney, and I've done some research on
The Shakespeare conference versus Edward DeVere, the 7th Earl of Oxford versus, you know, the traditional Shakespeare and all.
Those are important, but what we're dealing with now is a moment of truth for the Republic.
We may not have a Republic.
If this election is allowed to stand, the fraud will never be investigated, will never be challenged.
The federal government will not prosecute anybody and it will just continue on and on and on.
The censorship will increase.
The open borders will increase.
And so this is something where even if you don't like Trump a hundred percent, you've got to now rally.
You've got to make sure no Republican defections occur and the Republican legislatures in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, some of these swing states, Are going to nullify this election.
Fortunately for Trump, he has stopped the hemorrhaging.
No serious Republicans outside of Mitt Romney and the Bushes have now defected to the Democrats.
So he's stemmed the losses and now he's going to do his counterattack.
I think those are wonderful observations, William, especially about the fact that your Democrat friends are not celebrating and rejoicing, in my opinion.
That is extremely telling.
Yeah.
You know, it's I think most of them were pessimistic to begin with. But and so.
We'll see. Have none of them observed that this new guy doesn't seem to be the old guy?
None of them picked that one up?
That's something that was pointed out by you.
I've seen a couple things on the internet that are in line with what you're saying.
Again, I did check out, there's definitely two Joe Bidens with different eyes and different ears.
Um, you know, as far as who was in the debates and all that, but as you know, each presidential candidate does have doubles.
Donald Trump has doubles.
Uh, you know, that's just, uh, that's just the way it is for security purposes and all, but to get into a debate, uh, you know, whoever that double was, he was really skilled at, um, at, uh, sort of imitating some of Joe Biden's cognitive decline because he wasn't the swiftest in debate one.
He wasn't a disaster, but he wasn't very swift either.
So, I don't know.
I don't know what's going to happen.
So, the main thing is I hate to see people sitting on the sidelines.
I've rallied a lot of people just in the last couple days in emails.
A lot of people thought that the election was over.
Well, what can we do?
You know, election fatigue and things like that.
No, this is when you counterattack.
Somebody once told me a story about Genghis Khan when His opponents would break for lunch?
That's when he attacked.
You know, you let the other side gloat or feel fatigued, but you never give up just when the tide of battle is turning your way.
So I would encourage everybody to contact all their friends, especially in the spring stage, which I'm trying to do.
Even some that I know are Democrats.
Hey, let's get after and see what's going on here.
Let's not accept the status quo and all.
But I think I think this may, as you say, it may not even get to the Supreme Court.
It may end before then, or it may end... I think, yeah, I think Trump's going to win outright when they tabulate the votes based upon the legal vote.
See, remember, the Democrats are just saying count every vote, but not every vote was legally cast.
In fact, Millions were improperly cast.
Did I already make the point that with Dominion in 30 states, 6,000 in one county, if you assume states have on the average 100 counties, we're talking about 18 million Potentially 18 million fraudulent votes.
I mean, you know, there was a huge effort here.
Hillary was one of the brains behind all of this, I have no doubt whatsoever, and she knew how to rig elections.
She's just upset that Trump beat her before.
She's expressing a certain degree of comfort that he seems to have lost this time, but even she is being cautious.
You said that she was the brains behind it, but Look at these color revolutions.
The world has figured them out.
They're kicking out these NGOs that are behind some of these color revolutions.
When's the last successful color revolution?
2014 in Ukraine.
And that's hardly successful.
Ukraine is a basket case.
The Donbass has suffered.
They lost Crimea.
They lost their fleet.
I mean, really, now the European Union doesn't know what to do with a country they don't need.
It's just going to cost them a lot of money in the end.
All the other Lukashenko, he survived, right?
They figured out how to beat these color revolutions.
They've used their playbook over and over again.
It's so well-worn that people know what, and you know, this was all, this was all, you know, basically laid out a great article in Zero Hedge by James Longo.
I guess that's how you pronounce it.
He just talked about how this color revolution, it was a masterful article, I encourage you to read.
He just said how, you know, this is a classic color revolution, but You know, they're getting old.
They're getting sloppy.
You know, so Hillary, you know, maybe she thought, oh, you know, she's too clever for her own good because she's never really had to be challenged.
She was always, everything was granted to her until her 2016 loss.
And I think that 2016, I remember Chris Matthews on MSNBC I was watching him at the time and his father was apparently a politician in Philly and he said, yeah, talking about how the Philly Dems get out all the votes and all that.
And he said, right now we have a lead of 475,000 in Philly for the Dems.
That shouldn't be enough.
I think they calculated in 2016 that You know, this is how many votes we needed to get out of Philly.
They didn't count on the rest of the state turning red.
That's right, that's right, that's right.
But it's not as big an area anymore, and it didn't go dramatically for, you know, about maybe 60-40 for Hillary.
But the point is that the rest of the state that used to be Democratic, when the Democrats used to win when I was growing up, You used to win in western Pennsylvania, Erie County, different parts of northeastern Pennsylvania.
Philly, yeah, contributed.
You know, it helped you get there, but you had to go over the top somewhere else.
You know, to win only with Philly, and that's what they're basically doing this election.
It's all coming from Philly.
It's all coming from Detroit.
It's all coming from Milwaukee.
You know, that's a sign that they really have lost enormous ground.
And they could be in some big trouble with all these affidavits that have been, as I got something in the news today, in one county in Michigan there's been 234 pages of affidavits of voter fraud.
People are signing their names under oath and they're signing it with consequences.
I mean their jobs could be at risk and other things.
So if people are willing to do that, I think the average person can pick up a phone, Call the legislator, put the pressure on, maybe contribute to the legal defense fund and things like that.
But, you know, if nobody, if everybody sits back and says, well, we're going to wait for some, you know, you know, object from space to change the outcome of the election, or, you know, there's nothing we can do about it, then the status quo may prevail.
We have the power in our hands to nullify this election in many states and it can be done but the people have to take the initiative.
Well, the legally admissible evidence of voting fraud is massive and growing, so I really think Trump has a handle on this, and I am very confident he will prevail.
And I say, even though I'm an agnostic, thank God, because the consequences were he not to continue in office would be catastrophic.
Well, you know, Jim, everybody can check the voter registration, not the voter, the voter list in these states.
If you've moved from a swing state, check to see if somebody filled out that ballot for you.
If you know of somebody that's died, okay, check that voter list to see how many dead people voted.
We know that in Allegheny County, they accepted ballots that were not completely filled out, 2,000.
That's not enough to overturn the Pennsylvania at this point.
But every little bit, every little drip drop, you know, it adds to the total.
You had a couple thousand dead people, a couple thousand, you know, unsigned ballots in Allegheny County, people who have moved.
You know, the state auditor Last year, uh, complained about the voter registration rolls.
How there were 14,000 people who had a change of address, weren't listed.
Nobody did anything about the rolls.
The Judicial Watch sued in April of last, April of this year, and the judge refused to hear the case until after the election.
But that may be good because If the voter rolls had been cleaned up, we wouldn't have been now able to say, oh, all these dead people voted, all these people who moved voted, somebody voted their ballots, and things like that.
So actually, it's a good thing.
It all adds to the perception that we have massive fraud going on, which again, right now, the Pennsylvania legislature, if you've read the headlines, they're already, people are speaking out saying, we're going to nullify this election.
Listen to this, a comment from the chat room.
Ron Fry writes, people were dying to vote for them.
Good one, Ron.
Listen, William, I know you wanted to talk about... My dad used to say, how many dead people are there in the cemetery?
And I'd look over there and he said, all of them.
You know, how many dead people were in the Billy voting booth?
All of them, you know.
Listen, I know you very much want to talk about the coronavirus scam, and I welcome that.
So, perhaps for the duration, you could expand on your take about what's going on here, and the use of a medical scam to instill fear into the population.
So, we're supposed to be ultimately willing to give up all of our property, all of our assets, have our debts, our mortgages, our credit cards resolved, But our life will never be the same.
We'll be vassals of the state thereafter.
Go for it.
Well, when I first heard about this on a neighborhood website, I wrote something.
It was immediately deleted, but some people heard about it.
And I said, end the fear.
I knew what was happening.
I said, they're creating this massive fear.
Wait, Ionidas had done this research.
We knew from the Diamond Prince's cruise.
They didn't want to talk about that.
730... 3,000 people tested for coronavirus.
713 people infected.
13 died.
1.8% case fatality rate.
But that was for a population... the people that... the median age of death was 75.
The average... the median age of the population was like 65.
Age-adjusted risk, when you go down to people under 50, it's like 0.2%.
That's what Ionidas showed in his research.
There's so many, that's just the normal flu, okay?
So many people, medical experts, have come forward.
Hundreds in Germany, 500 and plus in Germany, Belgium, all these countries, America, we know that all these doctors came forward and said, no, this is not what you're hearing.
But who are the medical directors?
They're political appointees, ultimately.
Dr. Fauci, I call him Dr. Frauci.
I call him Tony the Rat.
Yeah, Tony Frauci.
But, you know, he's a political appointment.
You don't stay in the NIH bureaucracy without being a political animal, okay?
And these are political appointees, these medical directors.
There was a document I had translated, somebody I knew knew German, I'd read on the internet, it was a German argument, and the individual talked about how the German government was going to work with medical directors and the media to scare people about this coronavirus.
It was a smoking gun!
There's been a million smoking guns on this coronavirus, but you know people are For some reason, they've scared people into believing this is a serious problem.
I know of one person who's died of coronavirus, of COVID.
Uh, she was 86.
She, um, uh, I presume was in poor health.
I don't know, but I've known people in poor health who have survived the COVID, you know, so, uh, and I don't know one single young person who has, um, who has suffered from it.
Now, one of the things that helped Trump was the fact that everybody in his, um, Uh, is, uh, the, uh, meeting that, uh, the ceremony for Amy Coney Barrett, uh, who got infected.
All of them survived.
Chris Christie's the only one who's apparently had a serious bout, ICU, whatever.
We don't know if that's true or not.
Chris Christie's also the one saying Trump should not You know, be stubborn about the election and all.
Who knows that Chris Christie is on his side?
See, that's what I'm saying.
Lindsey Graham, who was a big compadre of John McCain, the minute Trump helps him get elected, he was supposedly in some trouble in South Carolina.
A lot of people didn't like him.
Trump out polls him in South Carolina, pulls him along.
The minute he gets elected, now he's telling Trump, you have to give Biden access to this and this and this.
So, you know, these people who we know have been part of this deep state, You know, part of this Bilderberger empire, again, financial, media, entertainment, intelligence and all, political and all.
So all these people come forward who are never Trumpers and all that, but Trump's loyal base is not budging, and that's a good sign for Trump.
That's a good sign.
But as far as the COVID, you know, I'm concerned, and what you said, okay, this is getting back to what you said.
Here's the mistake Biden is making now, not that it would make a difference in the end, by giving all these drastic plans, you know, to national lockdown and open borders and, you know, recently I just read yesterday where the airlines are now going to require COVID vaccines to get on airplanes.
That should scare the average individual, okay?
We've never required that in the past, okay?
And this is just part of the Orwellian state, and this is what we're going to be faced with.
If people think, oh, you know, they can go about their business, they've got, you know, their money, and, you know, nobody's going to mess with them, they don't realize anybody can be pulled down in the new world order, in the new reset.
Look at that St.
Louis couple.
defending their property and arrested for defending their property.
How can that be?
How can people, they didn't shoot anybody, they just held their guns up for people that were trespassing on our property.
Okay, they were scared out of their wits, and yet they're the ones arrested, not the people trespassing.
So, if they can be pulled down, and this individual used to defend African-American clients, you know, who were, you know, maybe unjustly treated by the courts.
If they can be thrown into or arrested at all, anybody can be arrested.
There's nobody that's going to be free of the censorship of the totalitarianism.
And William, they're both lawyers.
I know.
Look, here's what happened.
George Soros, who's a scum of the earth, has been investing money in getting progressive district attorneys elected across the country to undermine and destroy the judicial system in the United States, so Americans will lose faith in their country.
I mean, he has vowed his greatest wish in life is to destroy America, and he's given it a hell of a try.
Well, the elites have always been in the business of separating and turning the lower class, the middle class, working class against one another, dividing them on religious grounds or ethnic or racial grounds and things like that.
But here's what Trump did.
He pulled a majority of the Latino males.
They didn't buy into the Black Lives Matter.
Even 30%, I understand, 30% of African American males he pulled in.
I mean it'll turn out to be larger that they've destroyed a lot of Trump votes in black communities like Detroit.
I think he would have gotten you know legally he probably got did even better but he's made tremendous inroads among the male working class voters for the first time they're not being torn apart and religious and racial and other they're starting to unify they're starting to understand what's really going on okay it's amazing how many african-american voters Uh, you know, and, uh, leaders realize what, uh, you know, who the true beneficiary, uh, you know, who, who was the true, uh, protector of the African American community.
And, uh, he hasn't done well among females, but You know, certain female groups, he's done well.
But the point is that he's, you know, if the middle class and the working class ever got together and unified to throw off the elites, they would be finished in a second.
But the whole purpose of George Soros is to sow discontent, sow racial hatred and all.
But every now and then, there's a media moment that can't be denied.
It's sort of like in Hurricane Harvey.
Uh, the Cajun Navy was helping these African Americans, uh, you know, leave their apartments in some of the areas of Houston.
Donald Trump was, and millennia, were serving, um, you know, serving food.
I mean, how humble is that?
Serving food behind the counter to some of the homeless, um, people made homeless by the hurricane, African American and others.
Uh, so those moments defy The mainstream narrative that Trump is racist, that America is racist, and all that sort of stuff.
And they don't want that.
They don't want Americans to think we're all in it together.
That, you know, we're working together.
We can work together.
They need the working class and middle class divided or else they're gonna be wiped out, you know, politically.
So, well, we'll see, you know.
But this is not the moment to sit on the sidelines, Jim.
This is the moment, the most decisive moment in American history since the Civil War.
There's no, there's nothing that can compare to it.
If people are going to sit on the sidelines at this moment, uh, they need to contact everybody they know and say, look, we got to get out there and we got to, you know, whether you like Trump or not, get out against the electoral fraud.
It's, it's something that, that will destroy this country.
And, um, but, uh, the elites are desperate.
They'd rather destroy the country.
and then give up their power.
So because of the modest guidance.
That's spot on William.
That's exactly right.
The elites would rather destroy the United States than surrender their power to someone who's actually a threat to them, Donald Trump.
Who's a great champion of the American people.
I think, in historical perspective, this guy is going to turn out to be a hero of the nation.
Absolutely astonishing, William.
The history of this period we are living through now is going to make future minds boggle.
Because most Americans have no idea the enormity of the stakes and how much their lives were in jeopardy were this man not to prevail.
Yeah, everybody that's gone against Donald Trump has thus far lost.
The impregnable Hillary Clinton lost, the NFL suffered badly, the NBA, Hollywood, the media, everybody goes against them.
Republican candidates, you know, they just, they all end up being decimated.
And perhaps this is, you know, another instance of that we shall see, so.
Just wonderful, William.
I've so enjoyed this conversation.
We can continue a bit where I'd like you to share with the audience where they can learn more about your work and to give another thumbnail sketch about your four books.
Okay, well, you can go to williamdeburg.com and see my synopses of my four books.
They're on Amazon and again I'm embarrassed to say I haven't sold a lot of them and mainly because I'm not out there.
I'm not you know showing my personal side.
I mean I'm Operating under a pseudonym.
Not a body double!
But you know I and I'm not as brave as you.
I'm not as brave as you and Wolfgang Hallberg and a lot of all big and a lot of other ones.
But you know I'm doing my part.
But yeah go to the Williamsburg.com and all of them were published by Trafford.
They can be found on Amazon, Booktopia and Barnes & Noble and all.
And I Again, the first one, Serpent and Savior, deals with 9-1-1, the corruption in the media, the Libya and other Middle East conflicts.
White Spiritual Boy deals with the occult financial system and ancient Pacific International Intrigue, and again, it's a great thriller.
Divided We Stand, the most relevant to what's happening today.
It's about a coup by the deep state and then a counter coup by a group of patriotic military officers designed to, who intend to save the republic.
And finally, The Shield Down about, you know, a dystopian America after a cosmic radiation hit that wipes out a lot of the planet and deals with From a conspiracy standpoint, the Apollo moon landing hoax.
So all of them great, great reads, political thrillers, above the line, below the line, all sorts of factual citations.
People can study them if they don't, you know, believe, you know, some of the claims in the top of the book.
William, this has just been terrific.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your joining me from down under.
I hope this wasn't too bad a time for you to engage in this conversation.
I think it's midday in your time.
Yeah, it's fine.
And Jim, I can't, you know, and I don't agree 100% with everything, you know, you've stated in the past, but on the big points, we agree.
And I really thank you for, you know, what you've gone through.
You're a very brave, courageous, patriotic American.
And, you know, not only American, but you're a great humanitarian I mean, what you're doing is not just going to benefit America, it's going to benefit the world.
So thank you.
William, you've caused me to think about one point I wanted to address where you were talking about the importance of the science with regard to architects and engineers.
And while I believe that most of the members of Architects and Engineers are serious people, I have had direct contact and debate with members of Architects and Engineers who were, in my opinion, not, but rather were agents of disinformation.
And when it comes to the coronavirus, which you've been addressing very nicely here, There are many who have sold their soul.
Anthony Fauci, most conspicuously, who has done more damage to the United States than all of our foreign adversaries of the past, combining Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Emperor Hirohito.
Anthony, Tony, the Rat, Fauci has done more damage to America than all of them combined.
And it's very important to appreciate the difference between those who are called scientists and are practicing science, and those who are called scientists but are not.
Because, for example, about the use of masks.
Masks are very hazardous to your health.
The leading expert I've been able to find, and you can find these blogs at jamesfetzer.org, talks about it being a criminal act to impose masks on infants or young people who are growing because their bodies and brains need the oxygen.
They're being deprived by wearing a mask.
Even the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons ...has attested that wearing masks is adverse to your health, it will damage your brain, irreversible brain damage.
One expert, this woman who seems to me to be the best of them all, projects that in two years we're going to have an astronomical increase in dementia because of persons whose brains have been deprived of oxygen.
I've even got a study there that will dumbfound even the most sophisticated Let's look at this argument about lockdowns.
Donald Trump was laughed.
He was standing alone when he argued against these lockdowns.
Standing alone.
No major political national figure sided with him.
And yet now the World Health Organization admits, you know, last month that lockdowns were not beneficial.
So what does the European Union do?
Create a whole bunch of new lockdowns, but they're paying a price because there's a lot of turmoil and riding over there.
Now, let me say something about Dr. Anthony Fauci.
You know, I'm not going to, you know, comment.
I don't know about his scientific career, but I once heard him talking on a vaccination program.
And, you know, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.
I think certain vaccinations, you know, maybe some shouldn't be there, but I certainly don't want a COVID vaccine that Bill Gates is endorsing.
But the point is, I heard him talking and I said, wow, this guy is very arrogant.
And so recent, about a couple of months ago, he said the problem with people not taking coronavirus seriously is they don't understand science.
And, you know, here you have the great epidemiologist Ionitis from Stanford and a couple other Stanford researchers showing that this is just a nasty flu.
You had the greatest virologist in the world, Didier Raoult, from France.
He's been blackballed.
He had more research money than anybody else in the European Union, and he's been blackballed for arguing against the coronavirus Yeah, we're witnessing the politicalization of science and Anthony Fauci is the poster boy.
That's my final book, Shield Down, gets at the science.
I've seen it in other areas.
Believe me, people, you know, there's a real problem of replication and of results in science and all, but I just want to say one thing, and I'll maybe conclude with this.
The greatest scientist in history, Isaac Newton, said on his epitaphs, at the end, I was just like a little boy playing with pebbles on the sand while the great ocean of truth lay beyond me.
When I would teach the scientific methods, research methods and all, I would say the number one thing for any scientist is humility.
And that's the one thing Dr. Fauci has nothing of.
He's, you know, from the very beginning, he's a very arrogant person.
And that is the one thing every scientist should be in the end.
Very, very humble.
Because in the end, the Great Ocean, all we can do is the best we can do to uncover the truth.
But if anybody thinks they have a corner on the truth, they, you know, they're completely wrong.
And they should be listening to people like IamNotice and Raul and all.
Instead, they're being blackballed.
You can't even, they can't even get their messages on YouTube.
The censorship on COVID is, you know, just staggering.
The scientific censorship.
But the truth will become known, this will all play out, but the question is who is going to be able to prosecute and convince the American people of the reality of what happened this year?
Well, if Joe Biden wins, you'll never know the truth.
If Donald Trump wins, I think there'll be an opening to a lot of this to come out and a lot of other things to come out.
Well, William, you've made a lot of wonderful observations.
I'm personally convinced Anthony Fauci is bought and paid for by Bill Gates and the other monsters who want to own Earth through the Great Reset Project, where we're going to give up all of our property, all of our assets for a guaranteed income, a 300 square foot living facility, and a vaccine agenda.
That's going to involve repeated injections.
And if we resist, we're going to be declared to be a public health menace and confined to a FEMA camp.
And if we continue to oppose, the program will be designated enemies of the state.
And as in China, we'll simply disappear and never be heard from again.
Your points about humility and science are very well taken.
After all, the greatest edifice, monument, believed to be virtually certain, Einstein, Newton's theory of basic laws, law of gravitation, And so far we're thought to be space-time universally true and stood for 200 years as a very paradigm of scientific accomplishment only to be shown to be a special limited case by Einstein's theory of relativity where all scientific knowledge is tentative and fallible.
Tentative insofar as it's subject to revision with the acquisition of additional evidence or alternative hypotheses that may require us to reject hypotheses we previously accepted, accept hypotheses we previously rejected, and leave others in suspense.
And where all scientific knowledge, the best confirmed, remains nevertheless fallible, it may still turn out to be false.
You've been wonderful tonight, William.
Thank you so much for your time.
I also appreciate all the comments from the chat room.
You guys are doing a terrific job, and I'm really enjoying these interviews and having you here.
This is Jim Fetzer on the Fetz Presents, thanking William DeBerg for being my special guest tonight, and all of you for watching.
Let me mention, Sunday, this, and the following, two special shows on JFK, two special shows on the Conspiracy Guy, this Sunday and following, you don't want to miss.
Thanks for being here.
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