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Aug. 29, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
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The Fetz Presents (25 August 2020) Nick Kollerstrom, Ph.D., on The Politics of a Pandemic
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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, where I'm very pleased to have as my featured guest today
a dear friend of longstanding, Nicholas Kohlerstrom, PhD, from the UK
where Nick is the world's leading expert on London's 7-7 subway attacks
whereas book Terror on the Tib is now in its third or fourth or fifth edition
as are other of his works We're here to talk today about the politics of a pandemic planned in the U.S., triggered in the U.K.
Nick, welcome back to The Raw Deal.
Yeah, it's great to be back again, Jim.
Yeah.
I'm just so pleased and tickled, my friend, and I thought rather than put you through an early morning episode on my show, The Fets Presents, which is not broadcast until 8 to 10 p.m.
Central, which would be around four o'clock your time that we do our show now, and then I'd play the recording tonight.
Tell me about your research on the coronavirus.
I mean, it's inevitable you would have tackled it, just as you have so many of the other major events in recent history.
Yeah, well, my book, The Great British Coronavirus Hoax, The Skeptic's Guide, I don't know if it's the only book on the subject.
I think it's the first book, and people seem to be saying it's the only book I've seen on the subject.
I just felt it was such a scam, and my background in looking at state-fabricated terror events gave me a certain angle of approaching the subject, and it's a very very different kind of deception from those that has been waged upon the population before, but in some ways much more insidious.
It gets a hold of people through their fear of death, And it has a sort of deceptive construct.
It's not a real illness.
It's not a real illness at all.
And it's kind of fooled a lot of the medical profession into treating it as if it were a real illness.
And it's got armies of zombies walking around now with face masks.
And the government seems to need fear for everyone.
It seems to do what it needs.
And this has certainly been a way of getting it, hasn't it?
Yeah, it's really astonishing, Nick.
And of course, we know face masks are actually harmful.
They're not efficacious in protecting from the virus, which is so tiny that it easily penetrates the mask.
But worse than that, you're recycling oxygen depleted air, which means you're putting an additional strain on your cardiovascular system.
You're killing your brain cells.
Would you believe, Nick, 15 recent studies have actually shown face masks aren't even Useful during surgery?
During surgery?
Yeah, I've got that on my blog.
Those who want to check out what Nick and I are talking about, go to jamesfetzer.org and just look at the last half a dozen or so.
Look at everything I have lately about the coronavirus.
You'll find more than you could imagine about face masks, or even the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons.
...has declared face masks are a bad idea and enumerated the problems where the AAPS is the most important scientific medical association in the United States, if not in the world.
Right.
Well, facemasks are a part of the lockdown concept, and studies have now shown that around the whole world, the more intensively locked down countries are, the higher the coronavirus incidence appears.
That appeared after a couple of months of lockdown, those figures started to come out, that you're getting a proportionality between the degree of lockdown and the intensity of the Covid, alleged deaths diagnosed as Covid.
And that was actually the reason why I decided to write this book.
I thought, well, there's a positive correlation, which is common sense, Jim.
It's what you'd expect, because everyone knows that The way to get rid of a flu or a bug is to go out in sunshine, enjoy the open air, whereas staying indoors is not very healthy.
So it's common sense, really, that the more you stay indoors and wear a mask at lockdown, the less healthy and more stressed out you're going to be.
That's part of the insidious nature of this kind of mock modern disease, which isn't a real disease at all.
It does correlate with what is supposed to be the cure for it, the remedy.
Yeah, I agree completely, Nick.
It's diabolical in its dimensions because what they're offering is the practices that should be implemented to cure are actually going to make matters worse.
They seem to be mapping coronavirus deaths on normal mortality.
The public seems to forget that people die every single day.
That is the kind of thing, yeah.
Yeah, go ahead.
They use the ordinary death statistics.
Most people aren't familiar with how, in a nation, how many people are dying every day.
And by quoting those figures, they make it sound as if something terrible is happening.
That's right, that's right.
And if you're run over by a bus, or if you commit suicide, you're marked down as another coronavirus.
Yeah, as long as you're tested positive, yeah.
And it's been shown We got the lockdown in the Spring Equinox.
There's been a range of dates over a month or so when all the different nations locked down, and careful studies have shown that the day-by-day and week-by-week increase in mortality overall total began after the lockdown.
It's terribly important to understand this.
The lockdown was not implemented because of any threat or panic with people dying.
It's the other way around.
Death statistics started to increase.
For example, we had the spring equinox lockdown, but then a week before we had schools being told they had to shut, and hospitals being told they couldn't take more patients, these kind of things.
So this process causes stress, despair, and loneliness in old people, and that is what hits the old people and bumps them off, and that is then wrongly called, wrongly attributed to Covid, okay?
It's a so-called disease, which isn't a real disease.
It's hitting people around 80 years of age.
Now, whoever heard of it is around 80.
I mean, nobody has heard of such a thing, and this, I think, It shows that what we counted as death statistics for coronavirus, again, it's part of a monster hoax, you see?
Yeah, it's completely manufactured, Nick.
I couldn't agree more.
And it turns out that Bill Gates had been planning this forever, it seems.
He's given massive sums of money to the World Health Organization.
Absolutely, yeah.
Massive pre-planning.
Even Imperial College, Nick.
Even Imperial College.
Yeah, they get a big whacking great grant from Bill & Melinda Gates, and especially during the last year, 2019, there was massive blueprinting of this, primarily in America.
Everyone's heard of the Event 201, Bill & Melinda Gates, but not so many people have heard of what that was in October wasn't it?
Not so many people heard of the thing a couple of months earlier in August called the Operation Crimson Contagion.
That was a big four-day event at John Hopkins University and it blueprinted all the main concepts of social distancing, lockdown, schools closing, airplanes being grounded and waiting for a vaccine.
And what is remarkable about that Operation Crimson is that The key fellow, Cary Mullis, who invented the PCR test, his death was reported the day before that event began.
I think it was August the 12th.
So everybody wants his opinion.
We're all mystified what this PCR test is supposed to do, and how it works.
And he could not be allowed to live, because he was the guy who invented it, and is honest.
And he would have told us what's going on.
So he had to disappear before this whole scam could take place.
So the synchronism is important, as I mentioned before.
Then a couple of months later you get Event 201, and that then synchronizes with all these American soldiers going off to the Wuhan.
Big military games at Wuhan.
That exactly synchronizes.
Again, that looks like the place where America tried to seed the new disease, because as part of their biowarfare program against China, trying to undermine the terrific growth of China.
I'm pretty distraught that Nigel Ferguson played along and provided this fantastic pandemic model that was predicting 2.2 million deaths in America and a half a million in the UK if the economies weren't locked down.
He was a key participant in this entire scandal, Nick, and he needs to be helped.
Yeah, it's amazing the way he triggered it, wasn't it?
He was the trigger for the whole thing.
There were large, huge WHO Foundations all ready for an ID2020.
It's a huge plan.
ID2020 was going to have a vaccine-based identity.
Somehow the vaccine was going to be recorded in your new digital identity.
That was all blueprinted, but as you say, it was a neo-Ferguson paper at Imperial College, which that was suddenly the trigger for panic.
And suddenly politicians overrode, in this country, overrode the sensible advice they were getting from medical experts, who were saying this is a very mild thing, it's been overhyped, and doesn't seem to be very dangerous.
They were getting sensible advice from their medics, and that was suddenly overruled by fear and panic.
That's the way it was worked.
And in this country, the thing was not even discussed by Parliament.
Massive lockdown, totally wrecking the economy in this country.
Parliament couldn't even discuss it.
Nick, that's just stunning, isn't it?
I mean, this is going to affect all the population of the UK and yet Parliament never even takes it up to debate whether or not it's a good idea?
Yeah, it's like when politicians start a war, you know, they say there's a great crisis and, oh, Parliament can't discuss the matter, it's too urgent, we've got to act quickly.
Well, that is what happened with the whole Covid lockdown.
Suddenly, Politicians are panicked, and once the lockdown happens, it's all been set in motion, and politicians are under terrific collective pressure to agree with it all.
This is the thing which they might not have done earlier on.
So we've got this event happening, and well, perhaps we could look at, if you're talking with your friends, is this terrible?
How bad is it?
It's a question of how to put numbers across, Jim, and a lot of people are allergic to numbers, so they can't easily handle them, you know.
So, with America, you've got, if you just quote the total number of alleged Covid deaths, that can sound quite alarming, okay?
But I think we discussed this before.
If you say it's 0.05% of the population, 0.05%, that's one in 2,000.
That doesn't sound so bad.
I mean, it's still significant.
And then you can go on to say that most of those just died, they just died from other causes.
Heart attack, you know, diabetes, pneumonia, Parkinson's disease, or just old age.
So if the thing exists at all, it's just a very tiny percent.
There was a Swiss research institute who reckoned it was just about 4% of all the alleged COVID deaths were really due to some sort of virus.
Oh yeah, it's a tenth of a percent or on that order, Nick, of the actual mortality rate.
It's outrageous.
In Italy, for example, they did studies and found a percentage that didn't have comorbidities such as high blood pressure, diabetes, or Cancer, for example, when you subtracted all of those who would have been expected to die anyway with a high probability, the mortality rate was minuscule.
And as you were observing in the beginning, the nations that have not undergone lockdown, that haven't imposed social distancing and face masking, both of which are completely absurd, Not to mention the lockdown itself, which, as you imply, is creating a massive increase in suicide and domestic violence and child sexual abuse.
Not to mention the catastrophic effects on schooling.
I mean, right now, most American schools are not going to be opening, and Nick, that means all the women who have been a part of the workforce are going to have to stay home to look after their kids.
I mean, the consequences are astounding!
Yeah, and let's be clear here, Jim, that there's virtually no incidences of this disease amongst young people.
I mean, that's so important to appreciate.
It's over 60s, over 70s, you start to get cases Which are classified as positive.
Yes.
They test positive and they've got some illness.
Yeah.
It's a bizarre concept of testing positive and not having any illness, not having anything wrong with you.
A bizarre concept that we never had before, just because it isn't a real illness at all.
But even using the official definition, school kids are virtually immune to it, and I think there are Various health authorities have pointed out that you don't have cases of school teachers catching it from kids.
There isn't a real risk for school teachers.
That is my impression.
However much you believe, even if you believe in the whole Covid story, there isn't a lot of reason for keeping kids away from school.
And sad to say the Democratic Party appears to be complicit here because they believe that by promoting the lockdown, they're going to damage Trump's prospects of re-election by depriving him of what would historically be his greatest strength, the surging economy.
But Nick, I say, who would the American people think would be better to rebuild the economy once it's in rubble than the man who brought us the most robust economy in our history?
That's the point, yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
OK.
Now, there's a lot of... I'm hearing a lot from Australia.
I just look at Australia these days.
They've totally declared martial law, and you're not allowed to go out of your home after 8 o'clock in the evening.
So there's a curfew, and there still is a police raiding people's homes if they don't think they've locked down sufficiently.
And so the general populace are being terrorized by the police, okay?
Yes, yes.
They're getting quite brutal in Australia, Nick.
Yeah, I mean, what I'm hearing is god-awful.
I'd like to encourage any listeners, if you want to check any country, go to a website called Worldometer, put in Worldometer Coronavirus, and it'll give you all the nice graphs that you need, and the figures, And you look and see how Australia's had a total of six months of 500 Covid deaths.
Now, if anybody thinks that's a lot, let's just put that, I recommend putting that as a percentage of the population, right?
That is 0.002% of the population.
Or if you think that's hard for some people to grasp, let's put it as 1 in 50,000 of the population.
That is the mortality they're getting, which is, I would have thought, incredibly insignificant.
And I think people ought to be asking the question, how can anyone in Australia think that one in 50,000 deaths, the population, is a significant threat?
Sufficient to justify a lockdown and draconian measures that they're enforcing ruthlessly.
They got more suicides in Australia than that.
They got more deaths from HIV.
I mean, you know, you go on and on.
Cancer deaths overwhelmingly more, but we don't call those pandemics, Nick.
Yeah, I mean, someone was telling me that tuberculosis is coming back to England, and if there's anything you should be nervous of in London and need to wash your hands for, it's that it's getting the TB at Bacillus.
So, I mean, there might be other threats, but I think it's extremely bizarre that we get a lockdown.
And what has happened to people?
Can't they do the simple maths No, they can't.
They can't, Nick.
So we get lies, damn lies and statistics.
And when you make the statistics about medical issues, you got the American population, which to begin with is the most scientifically illiterate in the world.
And they are easily played.
The public here is easily played.
And if they have a political motivation to want to believe a fantasy, they're going to go for it.
Right, OK, but let me just say, as a general statement for listeners, the incidence in America is much the same as Europe.
You've got 0.05% alleged COVID deaths.
That's pretty well the same as you've got in European countries.
And if the numbers sound larger, it's just because you've got more people, you know?
Yeah.
So you've got a similar incidence and you've You've got a seminar totally bogus.
The main problem, the catastrophe, is the bogus definition of an illness that the WHO has put out, whereby once you test positive, people coming into hospitals are all tested now for, are you plus or minus on this PCR test?
And if you are, then anything you die from, it's going to be COVID.
And that is the catastrophically wrong definition.
Yes, yes, yes, agreed completely.
In fact, it turns out if you've ever had a cold, you're likely to have antibodies for COVID in this broad family or range of viruses that will give you a positive test.
But you're not only don't have a COVID-19, you're not symptomatic.
And if you're not symptomatic, you're not contagious.
So they have just shuffled all this together to obfuscate reality.
Well let me just repeat what you just said, that's so important.
If you're not symptomatic, you're not contagious.
Right.
Now that is normal traditional medical kind of philosophy, or the attitude, that you're contagious if you've got something wrong with you.
The idea that all the world has to lock down because you might have a bug, even if you feel perfectly healthy, is deranged.
We need proper medical experts who can work for a proper idea of disease and illness.
Personally, I think a scientific method should be used here.
If anybody wants to give a vaccine, Let's have a control group of people who haven't had the vaccine and see who's more healthy, you know?
And of course the very idea of quarantining the healthy!
Well, it's absurd!
I mean, you quarantine the sick!
And you get to help them back to work outside.
As you say, fresh air and sunlight is a disinfectant.
So what they're doing with the lockdown and quarantining the whole population is making matters immeasurably worse.
Immeasurably worse, yeah.
And also, they're using a test which they refuse to validate.
All we want to validate their PCR test, we don't need to know the Extremely obscure reasoning of the multiplying of chains of DNA and what exactly, apparently certain sequences of the DNA are detected.
We don't need to know all that.
All we want is the experiments.
Give them a whole bunch of people in hospital with Covid, allegedly, got a ward full of Covid patients.
Get a bit of sputum from them and then get another lot of healthy people tested and see if the PCR test can tell the difference, right?
Sure.
Now, that is the very obvious test to validate the PCR test that would show us that it detects what they're claiming it detects.
Yes.
And, I mean, how bizarre is it that you can't find any reference to such a test?
I mean, there's an expert, I think he's an expert, John Rappaport, who keeps making this point.
That is a simple experiment that you should start off by doing.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Because you got the WHO compromise, NIH compromise, CDC compromise, Bill Gates in the center like an octopus, giving vast sums of money to these institutions to bring them under his control.
And then the Bill and Melinda Gates, and then him going around the world holding symposia saying the great threat to the future of humanity is not nuclear war, but a pandemic.
Where he's got a vested interest.
His business is vaccinations, Nick.
He wants to vaccinate everyone and make billions of dollars.
And Catherine Austin Fitz has very astutely observed that these may be injectables, but they don't appear to be medicine.
You have heavy metals.
You have little miniature credit cards.
You have some kind of mind-brain interface.
I'm willing to bet you have Bill Gates' own DNA.
He's had to, you know, put his DNA in the entire world population, Nick.
I mean, this is disgusting.
Yeah, aborted fetus tissue, formaldehyde.
It's bizarre the ingredients you hear.
Nick, hold that thought.
We're going to a break.
I'll be right back with Nick Kollerstrom, PhD, a dear friend from the UK, with a new book on coronavirus.
Talk to you after the break.
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Well, this is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal with my very special featured guest today,
Nick Kohler from PhD from the UK, where Nick has a new book on the great UK coronavirus hoax
that is available, believe it or not, on Amazon.com and other book dealers.
Nick, I'm very impressed that you got your book out first.
I'd hoped to make that record myself with a collection of expert studies, but you beat me to the punch.
Good work.
Well done.
Yeah.
Well, Jim, I'll tell you how I did it.
We've got a group.
We're a monthly 9-11 Keep Talking group.
We've been meeting for 10 years.
And the whole group mulls over what's happening, you see.
So I get news and information from that group over the months.
And I thought, with all this information, I'd better make a story out of it.
So I put it all together.
I'm really just a guy who likes telling a story.
And perhaps I'm a natural sceptic and rebel.
I guess I am.
People tell me I am.
So there you go.
I put it all together.
Well, you're someone who doesn't take anything for granted, Nick.
You are one of the most intelligent skeptics the world has ever known, for which I admire you beyond words.
I don't know about that, Jim, but I would say this 21st century, you need, there's a terrific intensity of untruth coming from our central government, and especially Britain and America, They fabricate the most awesome untruths normally to promote war but in this case it's for the general enslavement and demoralising the whole world's population and it's puzzling a lot of people what would be the motive but I think we have to try to find out what's going on and we unfortunately don't have journalists who should be doing their job of
Analyzing a load of junk that comes out from the government, and in this case it's like trying to turn us into robots or genetically modified creatures, probably with walking barcodes, and we've got to say that health is our business and we do not ask the government to keep us healthy, right?
We do not ask the government to know about what keeps us healthy.
It's our personal business, and thank you, we don't need the vaccine, and we do want our kids to be allowed to go to school without vaccines, okay?
You know, I do support the idea of a national healthcare programme, a single-payer programme, even of the kind Bernie Sanders has recommended.
But, you know, the big pharma won't allow it.
Bernie would have been the obvious candidate for the Democrats to run in the midst of a coronavirus.
I think he might have had a good chance.
Yeah, he would.
He would have been somewhat different, wouldn't he?
Yeah, totally different.
I mean, Biden is not even mentally competent.
He's brain damaged.
It turns out that impressive acceptance speech was actually pieced together with a number of cuts.
So sometimes he's wearing the pin, sometimes not.
Sometimes he's wearing a watch, sometimes not.
They used a very sophisticated morphing technology to make it appear seamless.
Right, right.
Okay, yeah.
But I agree with you, a national health program, that should look after the standard and quality of food and of water and of fresh air, that sort of thing, you know.
But the question of what makes us healthy, what kind of medical service do we want, what kind of doctor do we want to choose to attend, that should be our business, you know.
Sure, of course, I agree with you, Dick, absolutely.
In so many states in America, I believe you're not allowed to send your kid to school unless it's been vaccinated.
Insanity.
Insanity, Nick.
Insanity.
The damages done by vaccines are overwhelming.
There's not a single vaccine whose efficacy has been demonstrated beyond a doubt.
I do think there may be two exceptions, you know, the rabies vaccine and maybe one other, but I mean, those are the exceptions rather than the rule.
Most of these vaccines cause more damage than good.
Yeah, yeah.
I think we should again demand a simple scientific experiment.
If parents want to have 70 injections with vaccines, which is about what I believe American kids get as they come into this world, Fine, let them do that if they want, but we want to see a control group.
A group of similar kids, similar economic status, who don't have the vaccines, and how do they perform at school?
Yeah.
I think we all understand that they would do better at school and be more fit and healthy.
Yes, and have fewer medical problems as their life proceeds.
Fewer medical problems, absolutely, yeah.
So we're not asking any complicated questions, we just want to control experiments of of non-vaccinated kids to be allowed to grow up beside these vaccinated kids and see the difference.
That's the all-important thing we need to request.
Just as for this forthcoming alleged Covid vaccine, we want to be able to compare the difference.
And this is what we always hear stories that you're not allowed to see, that doctors are not encouraged to report the harmful effects of vaccines, especially in America, that They give the vaccines and they don't particularly want to hear about the damage and pain that these cause.
It's outrageous.
And then the Congress, in its infinite stupidity, passed a freedom from liability for a pharmaceutical industry from the effects of their vaccines back around 1984.
Nick, this has to be one of the dumbest actions ever taken by a governmental body in history.
It's destroying intelligence, which should be the most precious thing of a culture, to nurture and nourish.
I mean, so many accounts with autism, you know.
People give vaccines to their kids and then the lights go out.
Yes.
They've got a damaged kid who isn't going to learn properly at school and the bright cheerful kid they used to know is gone.
Well, there are parents who bring in their kids and watch it as it happens as an immediate effect from the vaccines.
Yeah, yeah.
It's calamitous, Nick.
Yeah, well we need a sort of, I don't know what you call it, a natural health movement that can resist Big Pharma.
This is an industry, and we need to remind doctors the sacred axiom of their profession, first do no harm.
That's what Hippocrates said 25 centuries ago.
That's why people trusted, or used to trust doctors, right?
Because of that sacred axiom, first do no harm.
And we need to remind them that That is supposed to be defining the profession, why people trust doctors.
And that is totally going on.
If they're going to give vaccines when they don't even know what's in them, and the companies are protected against consequences, well, people aren't going to trust doctors anymore.
People are frightened of doctors, aren't they?
Well, I think it's becoming more and more the case, Nick, that no one trusts the medical authorities anymore.
And, of course, that Anthony, Tony the Rat Fauci, as I refer to him, has been responsible for more damage to the United States than any other figure in our history, bar none.
Well, you're getting this in British hospitals.
People are nervous of going into them now.
You know, so many stories of empty hospital wards now.
It's supposed to be a pandemic.
There's Covid, and a whole lot of old people are sent back to old people's homes, or don't want to go into the hospitals.
People are terrorised by, for example, this, what's it called?
Intubation, whereby they're given, has something shoved down their bronchi.
Ventilators, yeah.
Ventilators, yeah.
And there's a very large proportion of people who never recover from that.
Oh yeah, yeah, munching on a ventilator, your life expectancy is dramatically reduced.
I mean, you're probably only going to come off it as a corpse.
Yeah, well, my partner, people get terrorized by this, they see it, and they think that it's a consequence of the COVID, you see, and they're terrified.
So this is one reason, I think, why people are going to be dead nervous of going into hospitals.
Once they get hold of you.
Certainly, I would personally be terrified.
I wouldn't want to be injected or go into hospital.
I think more and more people are going to be that way.
That's a consequence.
Doctors need to understand it's a consequence of the bad policies they're following.
Yes, yes.
I couldn't agree more, Nick.
I mean, when the history is written of this chapter, it's going to be appalling.
Absolutely appalling.
Because it is one of the most monstrous hoax of history.
I used to believe, Nick, that the moon landing would stand for all time as the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the world.
But this coronavirus overwhelms it by many orders of magnitude.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I urge people to get together in groups to talk about this.
I mean, there are confusing concepts.
For example, what does this PCR test detect, and what does it mean if somebody says you're positive, and so on.
I urge people to don't just sit in front of your TV, but form a group, and knock the ideas around in your group.
That will help you to survive, help you to avoid despair, And I hope you think, what is a constructive course of action, you know?
I mean, we need to say no to the coming vaccine.
Whatever vaccines are coming, say, well, thank you, but actually, I don't want it, and I don't want my kids to go anywhere near it.
And we all sense what the likely impending consequences are.
Everyone I talk to has the same view.
Oh, that means you won't be able to go on any air flights, for a start, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're going to want to have a vaccine passport.
You're not even going to be able to do interstate travel.
I mean, this is their vision.
And of course, they have all of your financial resources on a chip that's in your blood so that, you know, if you don't behave the way the deep state wants, they can simply cut you off and you won't even be able to have food.
I mean, it's outrageous.
Let's not get so pessimistic, Jim.
That hasn't happened yet.
I urge listeners to stockpile a bit of gold and silver, so it's not just your card, if you can.
And yeah, let's not get too pessimistic about what hasn't happened yet.
Oh, I'm talking about their vision for the future.
Yeah, the vision.
That seems to be their vision of what they're calling ID2020, of a global platform for monitoring everyone.
We haven't asked for, and we don't want.
Let me mention for the audience that Nick and I will be taking callers the second hour.
Mitchell is producing, I'm very pleased to say.
The call-in number is 540-352-4452.
540-352-4452.
I repeat, for the second hour, we'll be taking calls and Mitchell will be fielding them.
And the number to reach Nick and me is 540-352-4452.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Yeah, and let me say, I'd welcome any comments, any listeners who've got comments about 5G being installed in America.
What I say in my book, there's an amazing synchrony between this whole thing breaking out and installing a 5G, right?
In Wuhan, Wuhan was the big test center for 5G, and that happened in November of last year, and that was just when the stories of infections in China started to appear.
And remarkably, if you're exposed to that type of radiation, you'll have very similar symptoms, but even worse.
It seems so, yeah.
And in England we had, I think it was the 17th of March, a notice.
So now we've got 70 cities all switched on with 5G.
That's another whole lot more, 20 or so extra cities.
Nick, I dread to see the statistics that are going to emerge here.
This is a gross social experiment without informed consent.
Yeah, without informed consent, yeah.
And it's a thing where The public get terribly confused about what the units are.
What is a safe level?
And it seems to be something like micro watts per square metre or per square centimetre.
So the public get very concerned.
There should be an Environmental Protection Agency that is looking after the interests of the public, okay?
You know, Nick, amazingly, there aren't such agencies.
They only look after the interests of the corporations.
Big Pharma, the vaccine manufacturers, the polluters.
It's compounding.
Yeah, well, yeah, that has been the situation for quite a while, both in England and perhaps also in America, that the government, so-called, whatever health agency they've got, they are in bed with big business.
Once they get the safety thresholds from big business, and that means male adults who can work nine to five, as long as they don't mind being sterile or not going to have any kids, it might be all right for them.
In the case of 5G, it means they're not actually getting fried by the radiation, right?
But now, that is utterly, utterly different from what is safe for a growing child and a mother.
For a home where the woman is going to conceive and have a baby, you've got a growing child, you need a totally different, many orders of magnitude lower, safety threshold.
And we need to have an Environmental Protection Agency that will seek out those safety thresholds.
OK?
Yes, yes, yes.
And this could be very much to do with the symptoms people are getting.
It may be that the symptoms people are getting, which they're being told is 5G, is actually masking... Sorry, the symptoms they're told is coronavirus is actually 5G.
I think that's entirely plausible, Nick.
I don't have an argument against it.
Yeah.
So if any keen listeners want to buy a little meter for detecting electromagnetic radiation, right?
Cost you a couple hundred dollars.
You can check out.
For example, suppose you grow some cress on your window.
Grow some cress, and you put your mobile phone underneath one.
You'll notice that it won't grow.
If you put your mobile phone next to it, the seeds will not germinate.
You'll notice that, okay?
So there are experiments that can be done.
Suppose you're a farmer.
Suppose you're a farmer and you've got some beehives, okay?
If you put your mobile phone under a beehive, the bees will all leave, right?
So these are simple experiments that show harm.
They show radiant energy, electrical energy, causing harm to living things.
And I think we need simple experiments like this that will give us, in a school biology lab or university, whatever, that will give us safety thresholds that do not damage living things.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Especially in America, you've got a tradition of brutal, very brutal developments of industry without any concern for human health, you know, and damaging effects of human health tends to be overridden.
I recommend the book by Arthur Furstenberg called The Invisible Rainbow, which looks at The way in which electricity has developed in our society and the side effects or the damaging health effects have been ignored, always, because people want the new technology.
So this might be a new technology, 5G, which will render our civilization basically sterile.
That is a possibility, okay?
And let's not get too pessimistic.
That may be part of the objective, Nick, because, you know, most of those involved in this are big on depopulation.
Ted Turner, for example, has advocated a 95% reduction in the world's population.
Goodness, who is that?
Ted Turner, who founded CNN and Turner Television.
Well, I don't know how they're planning to... You know, the Georgia Guidestones say that the world's population should be 500 million.
Yeah, well, that isn't the same as wanting to kill everybody off, Jim.
That's just an ideal... It could just be an ideal figure.
Well, look at this, Nick.
On the Deagle website, which has deep connections to the military-industrial complex, they give projections for the world's population change from 2020 to 2025.
And while virtually every other country shows a minor gain or a minor loss, for the United States it goes from 2020, 323 million people to 2025, 99 million.
Nick, that's a reduction of two-thirds of the U.S.
population in five years.
to 2025 99 million Nick that's a reduction of two-thirds of the US
population in five years. Yeah this is a bit rather shocking yeah. Okay well this is
something that gets discussed in the media in terms of everyone wanting
quicker downloads and you do want the new Huawei or whatever the new technology
is and it tends to be just a very few people are worried about the health
effects so I think with this dire situation we're in now we need to become
more aware of what 5G might be doing and to It's going to be fascinating to see what happens in those communities in England where 5G has been installed, Nick.
I tell you, the incidence of mortality and of serious illness is going to dramatically increase.
Yeah, yeah.
I think cancer rates will go up.
Parkinson's disease will go up.
Attention span of young kids will go down.
Sterility will go up.
I mean, birds will lose their ability to navigate.
Yeah, you're going to have a lot of dead birds.
Anyway, it's going to kill a lot of birds and you're not going to have any bees.
It's going to be, the effects are going to be devastating.
Anyway, I urge, write to your local MP or Senator discussing the safety thresholds.
My book gives you helpful information here.
You'll find the ministers have been given the safety thresholds which industry says are safe, and those are actually many orders of magnitude above what is humanly safe for families.
And so I suggest calmly trying to bring to the attention of authorities that we need a safety threshold very much lower that will protect us against this radiant energy.
And I mean, a lot of people are wondering, can they protect their homes against it?
You know, is there some special paint they can buy?
And so on, which is quite expensive.
I have an acquaintance who resides in Connecticut who simply wanted a smart meter taken off of her home, and we went to complain.
She was very polite, sat passively in the lobby reading a book until she'd get somebody to respond to her request, and they called the police!
And she's now gotta face a court indictment even though the electric company has actually dropped the charges.
I mean, it's absurd, Nick.
That's very strange.
It's absurd.
Well, there's special circumstances in that incident because she's a Newtown resident who's a critic of Sandy Hook, Nick.
And those aren't rare as hen's teeth.
Yeah, it might be different.
But nonetheless, despite that scary story, I do recommend politely writing in and informing, asking advice about safety thresholds and Try and find the right person to write to, and if you've got a local paper, then try to interact with the local paper on this issue.
We need local community activity on this, and especially women can be involved, because police don't like arresting women so much.
So I would suggest do try and get some local activity going on this angle.
Let me repeat for the sake of our audience that we will be taking calls the second hour, that Mitchell is here, that the call-in number is 540-352-4452.
540-352-4452.
I repeat, 540-352-4452.
four, five, two.
Mitchell will get you on the air.
He may have to call you back to make the connection if he gets too many calls at the same time, but he's very proficient, extremely competent.
I'm just delighted to have him here producing this new incarnation of the Raw Deal.
So, bear in mind, we want you to call if you've got a question for Nick or me.
And you're not restricted to 5G and coronavirus.
You can address other issues as well.
Nick, what's the politics of coronavirus in the UK these days?
I mean, how do the parties break?
Well, there's no discussion or disagreement at all.
I mean, we've got a big demonstration coming up this Saturday in London, Trafalgar Square, that we hope will get a lot of interest and a lot of focus.
But basically, there's no political discussion or division whatsoever.
I mean, this is the technique of casting fear, you see.
When you get a skilled master of deception, I would say, you get a skilled master of deception to cast the spell of fear, It is a kind of spell casting.
And then the politicians will all agree that they will all walk together in unison.
That critical activity is prevented.
That is very much the way the government works these days.
And so we don't have any... I don't think there are any politicians... I mean, you can go to fringe people about what we're talking about.
There's no one in politics, I don't think.
Nick, let me ask you, how about David Oik?
He has made some sensational presentations about these issues.
Is he receiving an audience in the UK, or has he been blocked?
Well, he's certainly been blocked.
He'll be talking this Saturday at the demo, and I think that'll be quite an attendance.
I mean, he is the world's most popular speaker, and since he travels around the world, talks for about seven hours, you know, goes all around the world, and it's astonishing that they feel at liberty to just delete practically everything of his.
Nearly everything of his stuff has been gone from the web now, and everyone's amazed that they just felt at liberty to do that, because, I mean, there's never any Agro or trouble at his talks.
There's a whole lot of people who just sit around, enjoy his talks.
You know, there's no evidence whatever that he causes dissent or disturbance.
He's a completely brilliant guy and he has a grip on the big picture and what he has to say turns out from the point of view of the state to be inconvenient truth.
Inconvenient truth, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I was amazed by the way his recent 9-11 book got to number one on the New York bestseller list.
It was called Trigger.
Massive.
He does his massive two-inch thick books, you know.
And that somehow, there's a lot about Jewish groups in it.
Anyway, that was on Amazon and number one bestseller, and so I was amazed that he managed to do that.
I'm amazed it hasn't been banned by Amazon, as have six of my books now, Nick.
Unbelievable.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, right.
Okay, I repeat, we're about to head into the break.
Carl Mitchell standing by.
The number again, 540-352-4452.
Again, 540-352-4452, 540-352-4452.
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We look forward to hearing from you.
Nick, it's just great to have you here again, my friend.
OK, Jim, so I'll go and have a tea break now, OK?
Yeah, yeah.
Have a cup of tea on me.
Yeah, right.
Cheers.
OK, terrific.
Again, I repeat, this guy is one of my personal heroes, OK?
He is just sensational.
And this is a rare opportunity to interact with Nick Kohler Strings.
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Yes, this is Jim Fetzer with my dear friend Nick Kohlerstrom, who's still getting his tea, but I can see we have some
callers here.
Where do we begin?
Giuseppe, Giuseppe, please speak up, my friend.
Glad to have you here.
What a wonderful day to get to call and talk to two esteemed professors.
One thing, Jim, that I was looking and studying that Diegel report from a few years ago.
And look through the whole thing, and you know what is shocking to me?
Is that not only do they list the United States numbers going down by, you know, 60%, but they also list Britain, Canada, and Israel.
It's as though a world war occurred, and the World War III, or more accurately, Bankster War III, International Globalist Parasite War III, and the losers Oh, that's fascinating, Giuseppe.
I gotta concede, I hadn't looked at all the numbers for all the countries, so I think you've made a very discerning observation.
Yeah, Iran barely goes down, Russia barely goes down, China hardly at all, so Deagle must be thinking it's gonna be like an early Mike Tyson fight, knockout in the first round or something.
Why don't they spell it out?
You know, they do have a note because it's been so alarming.
They have what they hope is going to be bought as a plausible, explained away, but it's ridiculous.
You're talking about a staggering number of deaths.
I mean, two out of three people we know on the average are going to be dead in five years, and there's no obvious reason for it.
It is satanically evil, satanically evil.
Nick has just returned from his tea break, so we'll get him hooked up with his headset and continue.
Giuseppe, are there more comments you'd like to add?
Yes, I'd like to first say I'm a huge fan of Professor Collistrum, and I just ordered his new book on Amazon, so I'm looking forward to read it.
Two questions.
First, are you aware of the actual deception involving the PCR, the so-called serum logic test, that the inventor himself said it should not be used as a diagnosis, and then within the idea of this is a flawed diagnosis, there's actually two versions of the serum logic test.
There's a quantitative, which would be the one if you're trying to get An ineffective discernment of diagnosis, you would use the quantitative one, but yet all the tests are the qualitative one, which is the most wildly inactive.
Inaccurate.
Yeah, right.
Well, yeah, it doesn't tell you the presence of a virus.
That's the important thing. Or let alone how much of a virus you've got in your body.
It's a faulty reasoning.
It tells you bits of sequences of DNA, maybe 20 or 25 of the nucleic acids and certain defined patterns of DNA that it will look at.
And nobody can really explain to you how they claim to infer from that that the A-virus is present, can they?
And we get very confusing statements about the degree of multiplying of the test.
The degree to which you multiply the DNA in the test is going to allow us to give you different answers.
I wonder if you, the questioner, would like to have got any idea about that?
Oh, it's even more serious than that.
Some intrepid researchers today have discovered, well in the last day or two I read it today, is that the gene sequence that they're testing for the coronavirus is literally the same gene sequence that proves you're a human being.
So literally every test, if they want it to be, can be positive.
As long as you're a human being.
You know, what was that, President of Tanzania tested it out on goats, on fruit, and on motor oil, and they all came out positive except for the motor oil?
Yeah.
I mean, coronavirus is the cold, and the common cold has been around, it is in every mammal, I think even in many reptilians, and it's just omnipresent.
My second question, follow-up, I know there's other right now but I didn't get a chance to peruse your book
because Amazon has no description or anything but are you aware of in 2010 the
Rockefeller Foundation released a report scenarios for the future of
technology and international development and in and it lists possible
scenarios from the worst which they call operation lockdown to on a gradient and if
you read page 18 which is the the explanation of what operation lockdown
scenario was it is exactly what is going on the last six months with this
Right, it's a blueprint for what we're engaged in now.
Yeah, I agree completely.
Yes, Nick.
And not only that, but 2010 was the year when Bill Gates began his quest to become the vaccine messiac.
So that can't be a coincidence.
No, I agree.
I agree.
Dick?
Yeah, it's so important to appreciate the way this thing was brewed up in America.
In the recent years, there have been lots of patenting of coronavirus viruses being patented by American companies.
And that was one of the things people noticed, to show what's going on.
And with State and Fabricated Terror, the tricky part is to make the blame fall on the innocent party.
And I believe that's what happened when they tried to make it seeded as if it was starting in a Wuhan in some sort of market with live bats or something.
That was the story they tried to promote.
That was the kind of Boston was supposed to take the blame, China was supposed to get the blame, and then it seems to have worked backwards in a catastrophic manner on America, that China relatively quickly recovered from it.
If it was a biological warfare attack, and I do believe that China's been under quite intense biological warfare attack.
I mean, earlier that year they had pigs, 400 million pigs had to be put down in China.
Due to swine flu and so this was meant to disable China but they recovered from it relatively quickly and America got it far far worse than China.
So it kind of blew back and so there seems to be a consequence now that Chinese technology and industry is surging forward and America is somewhat undermined by the coronavirus You know, by its effect on the whole economy.
Giuseppe, I want you to stay on the line, of course, while I bring in Scorpio.
Scorpio, your thoughts?
Hello, Dr. Vester and Nick Kohlstrom.
Very good to talk to you both.
Hi.
Recently, Dr. Tedros of the WHO and Prince Charles, as well as other people, have recently admitted That this corona agenda really doesn't have a whole lot to do with stopping the virus.
It's really about the climate change agenda.
And Dr. Tedros also, you know, the head of the WHO, admitted that things cannot go back to the way they were.
So I wanted to get your guys' comments on the recent revelations of our overlords.
Well, it's ridiculous, Scorpio.
I mean, just outrageous.
They're admitting they're world-class liars, and their lies are having devastating effects, so they don't really care about the health or well-being or even the lives of the world's population.
Atreidros is not a medical doctor.
He appears to be completely unqualified.
And, you know, Prince Charles is just in the realm of the decision makers but with no obvious qualifications.
It's embarrassing that you have players on the scene making these monumental decisions without knowledge or, you know, insight, much less responsibility.
It's outrageous, Nick.
Yeah, well, but there also is the fact that we had a marvellous unpolluted springtime with clear skies without chemtrails and The rivers and oceans may be cleaning themselves up a bit because of the lockdown.
I certainly noticed wonderful fresh air during the months of the lockdown.
I mean, perhaps that is having some effects on the climate.
You're talking about reduction in pollution because of the lack of industry and so forth.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know if that's... What did the speakers have in mind when they talked about climate change?
Yeah, yeah.
Did they spell it out, Scorpio?
I mean, climate change, as far as I can put together, is really another monstrous hoax.
So you're compounding one hoax Coronavirus with another climate change.
Well, sure.
And, you know, the coronavirus is the magic virus that allows them to enact all of their other agenda items.
So they're just finally now... We lost you.
We lost you.
...to be very interesting.
Yeah, just that.
So they're at last finally now admitting what the real agenda lying behind the coronavirus pandemic.
Yeah, and you know, of course the whole climate change thing is to deindustrialize and turn the global system into a type of technocracy that will control every aspect of consumption and of our lives.
Ah, that's very interesting.
So it's really going the digital way.
So Bill Gates obviously is going to be a prominent role player in this whole phenomenon as well.
Yeah.
Do you think anybody wants the de-industrialisation, with so many businesses going bankrupt?
The aviation industry may take many years to recover from this.
Is anybody wanting that, or designing it?
Well, of course not, and that's why they have to deceive us at every turn to make these things happen.
And, you know, the Green New Deal would be a wonderful thing if they would actually enact some of the technologies that they've been hiding from the general public for probably decades.
And, of course, it's no secret that windmills and solar panels cannot power major cities.
No, they can't.
No, right, right.
Scorpio, I want you to stand by too with Giuseppe while I bring in Paul, who I know has been chafing at the bit.
Paul, join the conversation.
Yes, thank you very much.
I would like to announce from this day forward I've decided to identify as a woman and from now on I will be Melinda from California.
Does that mean you'll be spending a lot of time in women's locker rooms and women's bathrooms and so forth?
No, I'm just going to simply identify.
I've decided I want to keep my package because it still works okay.
But, you know, this is the world that we live in.
You know, I've been looking at stuff and reading stuff as usual and, you know, a lot of times I don't really think I need to, but also you can get, you know, little reminders and products.
So these are some of the conclusions and observations that you can draw from this world that we're living in of what I would call Jewish brainwashing propaganda.
So first of all, the wonderful diversity and inequality of people and life and the differences between individuals is now systemic racism and institutionalized racism.
And even though there's really nothing that can be done about it, we're supposed to all be concerned and feel guilty and think it's okay I think the latest declarations are all white people are racist necessarily.
It's not all about skin color.
That's just so wrong.
And yet, well, I'm white, so therefore, I'm the wrong skin color, right?
So maybe just loan me your paintbrush and tell me when I get the shade right.
I think the latest declarations are all white people are racist necessarily.
I mean, it's just absurd beyond belief.
Implicitly, Jim.
I'm implicitly sexist and racist because I'm white.
And a male!
And a male!
Good God, what an awful combination!
And if I don't want to date another man, okay, if I don't prefer to perform fellatio on another man, I'm a hater and I'm homophobic.
And if I don't think it's anything to be proud of to, say, engage in sodomy with another man, then I'm a hater.
And I can't just relate to gay pride.
Boy, I tell you, Paul, you have nailed yourself there.
They're going to be coming after you, hammers and tongs.
Unbelievable.
I've got a couple more here.
So basically, if we're white, then we're all supposed to feel guilty and share guilt and responsibility for something we never did and we never would have approved of.
And less than 2% of our distant ancestors actually took part in.
And it's not occurring now, but guess what?
We have to break down the existing society, which is working fine to provide everybody a very high standard of living prosperity.
And why?
Well, because our Jewish overlords and our masters tell us so.
And here's one more thing before I'll turn the floor over to somebody else.
Here's another bit of beautiful Jewish brainwashing and propaganda.
Somehow if we discover bacteria in some heat vent at the bottom of the ocean, or a microbe in the soil on Mars, it's life!
But a heartbeat in a growing human being, inside of another living human being, is somehow not life.
It's a choice.
Thanks for listening.
Yeah, Paul, sure, of course.
Yeah, absolutely.
Mitchell, I want you to know you have a standing invite to enter the conversation at any point you might like.
Otherwise, I'm going back to Giuseppe.
Mitchell, did you want to add a thought?
No, you guys go ahead.
I'm putting my new power supply in my other piece.
Okay, go for it.
Go for it.
Go for it.
Go for it, Giuseppe.
Rabbi Kolostrom, I believe Melinda is in a hormonal-menstrual imbalance right now, so don't take her comments that serious.
Yeah, I was gonna ask Paul whether he'd made the ultimate choice between Kotex and Tampax.
Well, I would like to ask Dr. Kolostrom what his thoughts are on the orchestrated or staged First, we have phase one of the coronavirus, which in reality was two things combined, rebranded in one thing.
In my opinion, you had a bioweapon, the so-called SARS-CoV-2, with its RNA snippets of AIDS, a parasite that causes malaria, as well as of a while.
And then all of a sudden, boom!
Bolshevik 2.0 hits us with the St.
Floyd of Fentanyl State scenario, which certainly the real autopsy proves he was dying of an overdose, but certainly not asphyxiation.
Tired of that, here comes Act 3, Phase 2.
Oh my god, it's come back!
What are your thoughts on the stage of it all?
The staging, yeah.
Well, we noticed during the months of coronavirus that there was no terrorism.
Where had it all gone, you know?
Suddenly terrorists have all gone quiet because the public are all being terrorised by this new story.
So it's as if that was enough for a while.
To keep us all frightened, which is the primary aim of the whole goal.
And then, they'd got a world total of six million cases of coronavirus.
And that was like, people were saying, when they got to six million, perhaps it'll all switch off or something else will happen.
So that's when the Floyd story appeared.
Ah, the six million, of course, Nick!
That magic number!
Yeah, so they'd gone up to that That's a key number.
And then we got the very extraordinary Floyd event, which is still rather baffling what happened.
It seems to have been some criminal, drug addict, porn star committed suicide by taking too much drugs just the time when the police were arresting him.
But anyway, it did have a very, very shattering effect.
This guy, this new Israeli technique of a guy hanging his knee on somebody's... That's a nice point, Nick, that it's an Israeli technique they've taught to American police force to put the neck on the subject just as they do for the Palestinians.
Very nice point.
Yeah, and we got, that was amazingly incendiary event and Well, I think we're still all puzzled.
Who would have wanted that?
The igniting of cities?
What kind of agenda is that?
Well, you know, Nick, it turns out the longitude and latitude correspond to the address of the local Masonic temple, which was just down the road a pace.
Oh, right.
Oh, OK.
Well, maybe.
Who knows?
And then what happened around July, June and July?
If you look at the official Covid death figures, they've been going down and down.
A big peak in March, April, and they were basically zero.
Basically, the whole thing had fizzled out by, I would say, July.
And July and August, it's basically gone.
Daily death figures.
So how do they get their Mark 2 coming along?
How can they scare people when the death figures, which is supposedly what it's all about, have gradually gone down in quite a linear fashion?
They've just gone down to zero.
How do they scare the hell out of people?
Well, they show, they talk about the people testing positive, which they allege is infected.
They talk about coronavirus cases, and what do they mean by that?
They mean by people who are testing positive on the PCR.
And that is going up, it's going up simply because they're testing more people, okay?
So this is, if people have been really frightened of that, of scoring positive, then the thing cannot possibly go away.
There's no way of saying it's over now, because as long as you apply that PCR test, you're going to get loads of people testing positive.
That doesn't mean you've got any sort of illness, it just means whatever you think that test comes up with is being registered.
So that is how they're getting their new scare story now, and it shows the fairly deliberate degree of deception involved.
Instead of just being honest with people and saying, right, the good news is Covid has now petered out, they're now using the testing routine, the deaths are pretty well zero, they're using the testing routine to scare people, and the kind of assumption is When the autumn comes along, people start getting colds and coughs, and they can then claim that that's some Mark II of Covid.
Well, Nick, I've heard a lot of speculation that the second wave is going to come from turning on 5G all over the USA.
Well, it might be.
That's another thing, yeah.
Okay, did that answer your question?
Is that what you had in mind?
Oh yes, absolutely, and I think it's very insightful that you're pulling in the idea of the toxic radiation that's going to be bathing everyone as this 5G has rolled out.
It's really, in my opinion, I'd like your thought as a follow-up, it seems like this is eugenics It's a very extreme eugenics, yeah, and it's Robot City.
It's robots taking over, you know, automatic cars and everything you don't want.
Robot City and humans.
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Nick Kohler from PhD from the UK.
We have on the line Giuseppe Scorpio and Paul, and we're about to be joined by Area Code 475.
Please just give us your first name and your state and join the conversation.
I'm from Connecticut.
Go right ahead.
Yeah, you know, I was just listening to your little ad for a book on 9-11, and the interesting thing is that I remember sitting in my living room back in, I think it was 2003, after the first World Trade Center bombing.
Yes.
And Judy Woodruff was on It was actually, I think, what, 97 or 98, because remember the World Trade Center was 2001.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I'm talking about the first bombing.
Yeah, yeah, I know, for the blind chic.
Yeah, go ahead.
Right, and she had a Saudi general on who she was talking to.
I've been looking for this because I sat there in my living room watching for like a half hour, you know, and he said, Two FBI agents came into his office and they asked him to put a bomb in the bottom of the World Trade Center building.
And he said he was so nervous that he taped the whole thing.
Yeah, good for him.
And then they made a second trip back and he says he did an even better job.
So, I mean, I said to myself when I heard that, I said, well, that means they're going to make a second pass.
Right.
Right, and we should be surprised that the FBI is so corrupted it tries to sabotage the new incoming Trump administration.
I mean, these people are really corrupt to the core.
Nick, did you want to comment?
I don't think so.
This is about the first World Trade Center.
Bombing.
Yeah.
Where the FBI really set them up, you know, I think even gave them the explosives.
They were supposed to not be real, but they actually were.
Yeah, totally right.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, all I would say is that during the 90s, the Pentagon, or the American deep state, was trying to create a new enemy.
They'd lost the communist enemy, and they were trying to set up the new Muslim enemy, and The rest of the world didn't, we didn't yet realize, we didn't yet realize that this was the agenda, to have Muslims demonized.
And so they tried to do that in the first World Trade Center events, and I don't think it worked very well, did it?
It was really the second, the main 9-11 event, when they suddenly announced they'd got all these Muslim terrorists, and then the world was then totally given the new Islamic enemy.
But he also said to his guys, whatever you do, don't put that truck next to this beam over here, otherwise the building would come down sideways, and he said, I couldn't live with myself.
The General said that.
Well, the design of the World Trade Center was so robust that I don't think those scenarios could have played out under the best of circumstances.
The planes have nothing to do with it.
Those were actually faked in terms of impacting with the Twin Towers, but it was physically impossible given their design for those buildings to collapse.
They didn't collapse.
Yeah, they were blown apart in every direction with very powerful explosives from the top down.
Though there's one scenario, there's a scenario where you have the inner tube, remember it's a tube within a tube design, being destroyed from the bottom up by a nuclear explosive that then has the effect of bringing the rest of the building, the outer tube from the top down, you know, but none of the floors move.
I mean, it's all outrageous.
Right, right.
Well, what he said about a truck, a truck, that sounds like the whole story with the Oklahoma Federal Money Building, isn't it?
That was in 96.
Yeah, but he was describing right with a truck and putting it so forth, but of course a fertiliser bomb couldn't possibly have done that massive damage to the Murrah Building.
No, it couldn't, but that was what, was it Timothy Valley?
He was kind of trying to claim that, wasn't he?
Yeah, one more Patsy in the Sirhan Sirhan Lee Oswald tradition.
Yeah, and a lot of people don't realize that a lot of Muslims were brought around that event and were hanging around there, and initially the papers were trying to blame them.
So this was, what I was saying earlier, they were trying to fabricate the new Islamic enemy, It didn't work very well, because it ended up with the truck driver claiming credit for it, so the Muslims didn't get the blame.
Scorpio, did you want to add in to this one?
Yes, now that the Mur building has been brought up, my eldest uncle was a member of the underwater demolition team in Korea, and when the Mur building Incident happened.
He told me in no uncertain terms that that was absolutely impossible for a fertilizer bomb to do that kind of damage.
And the fertilizer bomb is very, very inefficient.
Yes.
Immediately that the whole story was a hoax.
Right.
It was parked away from the building.
Most of the force energy would have dissipated into space.
I mean, it couldn't possibly.
And there were two seismic blasts, a modest from the fertilizer and then from the real explosives that did the job.
Well, you know, firemen, we're still pulling explosive charges out from the support columns under the building when the FBI agents were hauling off all the files which contained all the evidence about Bill Clinton's drug trafficking in Mina, Arkansas, which appears to have been the objective of the whole bombing in the first place.
Right, yeah.
But in terms of your uncle talking about the fertilizer bomb, I wonder what he would have said about the recent explosion in Lebanon, Beirut. Do you think that the ammonium
nitrate fertilizer could have done that or not? No. Clearly not. He's no longer with
us, but I can assure you that he would have seen right through that as well. The enormous
hit that that bomb in Beirut made is unbelievable.
Yeah, yeah.
A sophisticated tactical nuke on a missile, of course, that was Israeli-launched, and they have used the same weapon in Syria, and you had exactly the same cloud.
It was astonishing.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I certainly agree that the crater is a signature of a nuke.
Chemical explosions Don't make crisis in the road, do they?
That was 10 or 15 feet deep.
And I thought possibly if I could ask Nick a question, since you live in England, I was wondering what percentage of people do you think, you know, when you interact with this average people on the street, what percentage of people do you think are starting to see through this corona hoax?
Everyone who's bought his book.
Well, it's hard to say.
There's a big demo this Saturday in the middle of London and that will force people to debate the issue.
I often talk to people and they say, no, it's a lot of rubbish, you don't want to wear a mask, no point wearing a mask, a lot of nonsense.
But it isn't something you'd generally dare to talk about.
It would tend to get you in trouble.
There are very small demonstrations, but I'm absolutely bewildered by the way people seem to believe it and all want to wear masks and just seem to go along with it.
Let's go back to Giuseppe.
Your thoughts?
Well, to tie the two monstrous Operant trauma conditioning against the 9-11 false flag created the the Islamic boogeyman terrorists that even though it was 19 Wahhabi Muslims from Saudi Arabia of course will bomb Iraq and will bomb Afghanistan that's only natural progression and now that played out for nearly 20 years and then people are getting sick of it and Trump in 2016
We're getting our troops back.
We're bringing industry back.
We're going to get jobs back.
He got elected based on People are tired of war for greater Israel.
So all of a sudden, how ironic now that we have the nano-terrorists, we have the invisible terrorists that can be brought back any time they need.
So it's just so sickening.
We have another caller from area code 619.
Scott from San Diego.
Join the conversation, Scott.
I don't think he's on yet, Jim.
I'm giving him a call back.
There he is!
Hello!
Hey, how you doing?
Scott, join the conversation.
Oh, hey, you know, I have a question about 9-11 that I haven't heard addressed.
Okay, so you brought up the, what is it, the 97 bombing?
Yes 93.
93?
93, okay, yes.
Okay, 93.
So, I was wondering if anybody, you know, brought up the theory of maybe that was when the bomb crews were sent in to place the charges, disguised as maybe the structural inspection team?
Maybe doing some repairs?
Too many years in advance.
I think it was when they did the Ace elevator repair job that gave them access to the core columns that the explosives were implanted.
So I don't believe it was done that early.
It would not have been Advisable.
Too many years intervened that it might be discovered.
Who knows?
You know, maybe the explosives don't age well.
I think there are too many factors that might have undermined the project.
But it's a question worth asking.
Has any of the 9-11 community looked into the inspection teams that went into the building after the bombing?
Oh, well, you know what's good about that?
What's good about that is the inspection teams would then have had access to verify the structure and design of the building to plan how it could best be taken down.
So I think that that's a useful observation.
Yes, yes, yes.
Let me see if we got everybody here.
Connecticut, did you have a further question you wanted to ask?
No.
You're good?
Okay, okay.
Giuseppe, Scorpio, Paul.
Paul, let me bring you back in, Paul.
Thank God, I thought I was going to miss my turn.
You know, I've been using this analogy recently to try to reach people.
I don't know how effective it is, but it works for me, right?
So imagine, you know, cars.
I mean, we all get around, we drive, we see how there's cars everywhere we go, and sometimes there's cars broken down on the side of the road, and of course there's a lot of cars at repair shops all the time, but we don't see them, right?
So in my opinion, the insanity of this ridiculous nonsense is very similar to the fact that If you believe the figures that they tell us and okay let's just take them at their words and there really aren't any more or statistically significant increases in so-called death than there was the year before and the year before and the year before it'd be sort of like this be claiming that there's some new affliction that affects cars
So we, everybody else, the 99.5% of other cars that are still running fine and doing well, we're going to have to go ahead and we're going to have to quarantine.
We're going to have to ban them.
And you can't go around and do what you need to do because some cars are broken down and some cars are in need of repair.
And that's really how ridiculous this is.
And Jim, this will hit close to home because I am really furious about this myself.
Leave alone concussions and dislocated shoulders and a torn knee ligament.
No, we're going to shut down, for the first time in American history, Big Ten football
because somebody won't get sick from a virus.
Yeah, it's insane.
It's insane.
Amy Klobuchar just admitted she called the President of the University of Minnesota to encourage her to shut down Big Ten football.
Just outrageous.
Yeah, but coming back to what you were just saying about... I like it and I'm looking forward to some Yes, yes, yes.
Nick wants to comment.
Nick wants to comment on your questions, Paul.
Yeah, just what you're saying about overall mortality this year being similar to or possibly lower than the previous year.
Overall deaths, I think in America, I quoted in my book, And this is weekly mortality total, which is below what it was the previous year, okay?
Now in England, or Britain, you had, we started off this year with deaths, I don't know why, but they were five percent lower than the previous average of the last five years, the average deaths.
So it was less deaths than usual, which is partly why the lockdown was so paradoxical.
Then, as I said earlier, the deaths surge up once you get the lockdown.
The stress of the lockdown, it kills off a lot of old people, and so you get a death surging up, and now we're relaxing the lockdown, letting people out, opening up pubs and cafes, and once again the deaths have gone down, weekly deaths, to below average, which is kind of what you'd expect, because a whole lot of Old people have been made to die, so you have less now.
So, overall, I would think this year... Hang on, let Nick finish and I'll bring in.
Go ahead, Nick.
I think, again, in this country, we've had less deaths than usual this year.
So, there's no increase in mortality.
There's no terrible...
I have a new blog by Jack Mullen at jamesfetzer.org that makes a point that there's been a lower cumulative deaths here in the United States this year than last, than the year before, than the year before.
So that's all consistent with the absence of a major medical problem causing death on a large scale.
It's all just bullshit.
Yeah, could you just tell us again what the reference is for that, James?
That's on your blog.
Yeah, yeah.
One of my most recent blogs, Nick, at jamesfetzer.org.
A blog by Jack Mullen, M-U-L-L-E-N.
It's one of the last two.
Yeah, I'll check it out.
Paul, is that you?
Yeah.
Yes, I wanted to just address some of this.
Okay, so staying on the virus.
I had a couple more things I wanted to say about the whole societal effect, because that's really what we're talking about here.
And I want to touch upon this whole idea of so-called infectious agents and so forth.
So I was watching this video the other day.
I'm going to send it along, but there's this woman called Peggy Hall.
She's got a website called thehealthyamerican.org and she interviewed this other woman.
And I don't have it up right now.
I'm not going to take time to look for it, but they're both health professionals, right?
And they both talk about, you know, what's going on and the actual truth and the nature of this.
So this woman talked about a very interesting experiment, similar to what I have mentioned before about what the Army did.
The Army did experiments where they attempted to infect or inoculate healthy soldiers to see if they would catch cold.
And no statistically significant number of them caught cold.
Correct, yeah.
That's right, yeah.
Out of a given group.
Well, this woman talked about this experiment.
I've not verified it, but I found it fascinating.
She said that what they did is they took swabs, okay, viruses, such as your typical cold viruses, your rhinoviruses, coronaviruses, and they swabbed inside of the naval passages of people in an attempt to infect them.
And then they further added things such as they isolated them or they put them in groups of other people.
And guess what they found with absolutely consistency and no doubt about it.
The people that were isolated were more likely to get sick and come down with something.
And the people that interacted with others were not.
Yeah.
So interesting.
I think that the whole medical paradigm and the whole idea of us being afraid of each other to catch something.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
That is so true.
Yeah.
It's ridiculous.
Can you give me the reference for that?
What you just quoted?
I'll send the link to Jim.
And I'll get it to you, Nick.
Let me finish real quickly.
It takes me two minutes at the most with what I saw the other day on this training camp thing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
The reason I watched it is Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski are now playing with Tampa Bay.
And I thought it would be interesting, right?
I thought it was 15 minutes.
Well, the first two to three minutes were like complete Idiotic!
COVID-19 propaganda BS like you wouldn't believe it was so disgusting.
These players are being required to wear the mask in the facility.
Now when they're working outside on the training field, they don't have to.
It's an option.
A couple of the players are taking that option.
They're running around like running patterns and doing shit like that with a mask on.
Idiotic.
Idiotic.
But when they're inside the building, they're getting, they all have a mask on and the coach
was giving, you know, the tech talk about the upcoming season.
The coach is masked, all the players are masked, sitting down in their indoor building.
And get this, daily testing is required.
Daily.
And they're all required to have contract tracing, and they show these little devices, and they're wearing a device.
So therefore, if somebody tests positive, they're going to know immediately all the other people that they interacted with.
Sure, so they can add the numbers.
That's what they're doing, Paul.
They're adding the numbers automatically.
It's jumping by some 17 times.
Because the average person is interacting with around 17 people.
So when they get one positive, they count it as 17.
It's sickening.
And here's the last sentence, okay?
Even though the one guy, the player, who's like a representative of the other players, and he's fully on board with all this COVID nonsense, right?
He tested positive, but of course, the quandary is he's not symptomatic.
So therefore, oh, what to do?
The whole thing just is sickening, disgusting.
They're killing every aspect of our society.
And I just want nothing but death for these people, guillotine for every one of them.
All these demonstrations to be in front of the CDC.
The CDC... Right, yeah.
Well, I'll tell you a story I heard like that.
I heard this yesterday.
Nick's got a story for you, Paul.
By the way, you're too faint, Paul.
I can't hear you.
Anyway, I heard this story.
Somebody makes films and their boss wants to make, spend a few, several hundred grand on making a film and he wants to get a seal of approval from the British Film Institute, right?
And to get that seal of approval, all the actors have to be tested regularly, I think every day or something, and you know they have to wash their hands and everything, and then during the acting they're not allowed to touch each other, not allowed to kiss, and you have to do the film so that you look as if you're touching somebody, but you can't actually do it, and then You have to kind of report on or get retested so it takes out all the enjoyment and I said well why do they want the that BFI seal of approval if it's so ghastly and the answer is oh they might get sued if you're making a film and somebody develops a cough
They might be, they can claim, oh this is COVID.
Oh no, I've got COVID from being on this, working on this film.
It's all ridiculous beyond belief, yes.
Let me bring in Giuseppe, Nick, and comment on yours and Paul's stories and whatever else.
Giuseppe.
Right.
Well, don't forget you've got to send me that link, actually.
I'm trying to remember that.
I will, I will.
Paul will send it to me and I'll send it to you.
Giuseppe, are you still with us?
Infectious.
Infections.
Yes.
Giuseppe, are you there?
Scorpio, are you there?
Giuseppe?
I think we've lost you.
Yes.
This is an excellent conversation and I'm just here enjoying it.
That's Scorpio, right?
Yeah.
Thank you, Scorpio.
I'd like to say one thing.
Go ahead.
This is Bernie.
Connecting.
Yeah.
A month before they started talking about COVID, I was looking at the repo markets, and they're throwing in $300 billion a day.
And I said to the woman I worked with, I said, buy food.
I said, the economy is going to collapse like this.
And three weeks later, they come out with this COVID virus.
Yes.
I thought that was kind of odd, you know, because I knew they were running it into the ground.
They were just spending, spending, spending, like there's no tomorrow.
And you know, the labor market sort of banked into a bank race where they loan each other money, you know.
And they were just blowing money like mad.
So I knew something was going to happen, like a collapse of the entire system.
And I told her, buy food.
And this is, like, at least four weeks before they start talking about COVID.
Very good, very good, very good, Bernie.
Yes, I'm here, Professor.
Okay, Giuseppe, how about your comments on what you've been hearing?
I think that Paul is completely right on, and I loved listening to Dr. Karlstrom's insights, look forward to reading his book, and I hope he comes back on soon, because he's just a wealth of fascinating perspective from the British and European view.
Yes, yes, yes.
Well, no doubt.
Right.
And the previous caller mentioned the LIBOR, right, which is a London Interbank something rate.
And I'll throw that back to Nick.
Come on, this is your country's fault.
You started it with the Bank of England and then exported it over here to America.
You know, you got to straighten that out over there, Nick.
Yeah, you're quite right.
I mean, what you had in 1913, as you know, the thing from Jekyll Island, We had, way back in 1694, the so-called Bank of England was founded by a bunch of Jews in Amsterdam, and that started creating money out of nothing and charging interest on it.
Okay?
What a brilliant idea, huh?
That is when the monster began.
I would recommend that if you don't mind.
And it seems to me that you started, was it the Federal Reserve started in 1913?
That is your version of it.
And what that means is that there's vastly more money in debt, the imaginary debt everyone thinks they've got, that can possibly ever be repaid by whatever money is in circulation.
In other words, the total amount of money in the world is enormously negative.
The mechanics of it are pretty straightforward, but what it really means is we will never be free, we will never be sovereign, we will never be allowed to be peaceful and prosper as long as these people control the money that we need to use.
Correct, yeah, correct.
You need to get people to wake up and understand that this debt doesn't really exist.
Credit means I want to thank you all for calling in and for Nick here being my guest.
I'll look forward to having him back.
We're heading into a break, but this is Jim, your host on The Raw Deal, thanking you all for listening.
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