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July 30, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
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The Fetz Presents: Rebecca Carnes: Newtown Mom Speaks Out about Sandy Hook
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guest today, Rebecca I call Barnes and Newtown mom who's if the sound is okay in the chatroom let Okay We're actually good We're actually good.
Hi!
We're actually good, Rebecca.
Okay, I think we're on the air.
We'll see who might show up.
But look, it's a delight to have you back, my dear friend.
You have been so courageous in speaking out about Sandy Hook and When others have cowered in fear, I'm just very, very proud of you, Rebecca, and I know it's been at a considerable personal expense.
Why don't you pick up anywhere you like?
I loved your latest blog about the role of the firehouse at Sandy Hook, and I know for you, this has been a sojourn.
This has been a journey toward truth and it's had various fits and stops and starts and two steps forward, one step back, but you're making steady progress it seems to me.
So I want you to have this opportunity to just talk about your experiences and what you think the world needs to understand not only about Sandy Hook, but about Newtown and what it was like for you to be a mother who had children in Newtown schools when these dramatic events were reported as having occurred from an elementary school in your community.
Yeah, that's right.
You know, piecing together from a local level, I think, especially with the Sandy Hook Fire Department and certain family names kind of ringing a bell in my head.
Doesn't that person also have a family member at the town hall and local government here?
So I think having grown up in Newtown, it gave me a kind of extra keyed in sense to some of these many connections.
that are not just at the Sandy Hook Fire Department but really throughout our town and my latest post I did on my local Newtown Rooster blog really dove deep into the many connections with the Sandy Hook Fire Department tied into the Sandy Hook event that are just, I mean, these coincidences, these anomalies of key players
that are connected to the Sandy Hook Fire Department and the Sandy Hook event are, you know, like I've said before, in terms of statistics, these are, you know, astronomically, statistically impossible, you would think, obviously, for these people to have such key positions in the Sandy Hook event.
But like I said in my other interviews, you know, I want to, the Sandy Hook Fire Department's involvement in the Sandy Hook event and it's just one of the tentacles hanging up off of this, I call it like this monster, you know, and it's got many tentacles.
Uh, Sandy Hook Fire Department is just one of them.
I, I plan on looking into, of course, the involvement, involvement of the, uh, Newtown Fire Department, the local officials, past and present.
We've got the school system, of course, that had to have been complicit in this event.
And we've got local churches that are complicit in this event.
And, of course, a lot of key players, I think, that have ties to the intelligence community that then took over and started a lot of these anti-gun groups that sprang up almost immediately after the Sandy Hook event, which is very suspicious, of course.
We've got ties in our community to some very Powerful political people, you know, Michael Bloomberg being an example.
He's funneled a lot of money into these anti-gun groups in town.
But yeah, Jim and I touched on this before and this is very important for people to realize.
I think a lot of people consider Newtown and Sandy Hope to be this Bowhunk little village, you know, of not much consequence, and just suddenly this horrible supposed gun shooting tragedy happened here.
No, I think this town, Sandy Hook and Newtown, was picked out on purpose.
We have very powerful people in the Newtown community, not just in government, but through entertainment, politics, the financial world, you name it.
We've got power players here and ties to Yale University.
Some people are telling me behind the scenes now who want to remain anonymous, but that a lot of intelligence operatives were in town for this event, placed in town.
Um, from, uh, you know, the CIA and also the Mossad.
So, um, you know, this was a, Sandy Hook is very strategic in that it has ties to these powerful, um, um, connection with, with, with people and universities and industries.
But, um, it's, uh, you know, not too many people know Newtown.
Sandy Hook is within commuting distance to New York City.
Um, it's within Fairfield County, uh, in Connecticut, one of the richest, most powerful, um, counties in the country.
Um, so, um, I think people have this conception that Sandy Hook is a tiny little village of a square mile.
And, um, you know, in actuality, Sandy Hook is a borough, one of five boroughs within Newtown.
It is very large.
I mean, Sandy Hook Elementary School, at the height of its capacity, when it was indeed open, had 700 students and 80 faculty members.
Sandy Hook is an enormous community.
It used to have its own post office box.
When I was a child, I went to the post office in Sandy Hook.
It has its own zip code, 06482.
My father used to take me there.
And it has actually the only borough in Newtown.
Sandy Hook has two fire stations.
So this is a well-placed strategic community.
It is not a little tiny Hicksville village.
And it was very strategically placed with key players.
And I also think, Jim, and you could probably speak more to this and a lot of the researchers that helped you with the book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, is that You know, they planned this well in advance.
They planned this well in advance.
And now I'm just kind of getting a sense because I think, as some of your viewers know, I've only realized the true reality of not just Sandy Hook, but so many things in our country and world just eight months ago.
And I think this was really laid out eight to 10 years prior to when it happened on December 12th.
14th, of course, yeah.
December 14th, 2014.
It was a two-day FEMA exercise with a rehearsal on the 13th and going live on the 14th.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Excuse me for misspeaking.
My brain's a little fried sometimes with all the information.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, you've been doing fantastic, Rebecca.
That's no problem at all.
I love it.
I'll bet a lot of people would like to know what it was like that day to be a mother in Newtown with children in the Newtown school system to hear that there had been what was told to be a mass shooting killing 20 kids and six adults.
Yeah, and my state of mind, my frame set of mind, this is going back almost, what, seven and a half years ago now, you know, I believe the mainstream media, you know, to an extent.
I'm a former journalist, and of course I took a lot of what they said with a grain of salt, but yeah, I believe the official story, and when this happened, I was driving through the center of town when the news broke, and I heard it on the radio.
I started to hear sirens.
You know, I got on the phone with my mother because I wasn't near a TV at the time, although I was heading towards the local Dunkin' Donuts in the center of town where I knew they had a big screen TV.
But boy, terror striking at my heart because I had, you know, I have twins and they were in second grade at the time.
Now, luckily, they were at a magnet school and not at the Sandy Hook Elementary School.
I decided as kindergartners, a new magnet school had opened up and they were teaching Spanish.
And I said, I'm going to send my children there.
But I was, you know, schools went completely into an immediate lockdown.
But I was on the phone with my mother right away and I was horrified.
And I said, "Mom, this is happening now." And this is like a mile away.
So I get out of my car to go into the Dunkin' Donuts right off Churchill Road, and this Sandy Hook, you know, shooting, alleged shooting is going on, you know, a mile down the road from me.
Um, and I said, Mom, I think, um, yeah, there's reports that, that people have been killed.
And she said, yeah.
And then I said, Mom, I think it's children too.
And she said, no, I, no, Becky.
She said, I don't think it's children.
And then I got into Dunkin' Donuts and right, the ticker came across the CNN screen that they had on that children were reported coming in as being killed too.
And boy, you know, the, The people around me, the other Newtowners that were congregating in that Dunkin' Donuts, we were all staring at the big screen TV and Dunkin' Donuts there.
The horror was visceral.
The shock, it was silence in there, except for the gasps of air.
I mean, it was like a vacuum because we were so horrified.
And, you know, immediately you think, this is mind-splitting.
You can't think this is going on a mile down the road.
And of course, everyone's concerned about where their children are, if they have children.
But this, you know, and then after getting my children, I did visit the local church, St.
Rose.
I laid down flowers.
Of course, there was press anywhere.
We had to walk in.
I mean, it was a mess.
And right from the start, Jim, I have to say there was a tamp down, a clamp down on just discussing it at all.
And as you know, Newtown's policy after the Sandy Hook event was Oh, we don't want the press here on any anniversary.
Even after it happened, it's like, just go away, and suddenly the press was evil, you know, and tormenting us.
But that's part of it.
They want us not to discuss it amongst ourselves, because if you try and, if it does come up in the community, it's with a whisper, as I said, and they sanitize it with the 1214 moniker.
And looking back, because of course I believe the story then, but now it makes sense to me that they wanted to keep the press away on anniversaries and they just, you know, wanted to sanitize any discussion of it.
And very interesting, Jim, looking back now that I know the truth of this, I can really understand why right away these major players in the event started saying, oh, We, they went after the guns.
We need, we need common sense gun control.
You know, right away, like immediately.
David Wheeler, for instance, was at Obama's side the next day.
All these key, some of these key players, these parents were talking about gun control right away, some of them.
And of course the gun groups in town, and many of them sprung up right away.
But I have to say, Jim, believing the story for so long like I did, and I think some people have heard my story of how I kind of, my mind kind of opened a little into realizing the truth behind the scenes of this event.
You know, I can go into that.
It's a funny story because I think I told you before I was in my bed late at night reading your book on my computer because I had to download it, you know, because it was banned.
And I was horrified, Jim, because one of the pictures, I don't think many people have seen that second photo of the conga line.
You know what I'm talking about, of course.
Sure.
Boy, when I saw that, I was like, what is this?
You know, what is this second photo with all those?
Let me explain for the benefit of our audience.
Shannon Hicks, who was a Newtown Bee photojournalist, Took a photograph of what appeared to be a string of about 15 kids being led to safety by a policewoman.
This was a photograph that appeared on the front page of every newspaper in the world.
One of the most widely published photographs in history.
Yeah.
Now, unbeknownst to the public, it turns out, and I was simply astonished when I discovered, She had taken a photograph a few minutes earlier, and it was from further back, and you could see a whole lot of parents there just casually licking on their arm folded, hands in their pockets, casually licking on.
Where in the second photograph to be discovered, which was actually taken first, there was a little girl in a pink sweater and a short skirt at the front of the line.
So they rearranged the kids to put this little boy in blue jeans and a dark sweater in the front.
He was far more telegenic.
But can you imagine?
I mean, among the many points this raises.
An emergency evacuation, so you stop and rearrange the kids to get a better shot.
And what in the world are parents doing there in the first place?
And if any parent were there on that occasion, they would surely have grabbed their kids and got out and dodged as quickly as possible.
In other words, the second photograph shows that both photographs were completely staged, even though Shannon Hicks, when I confronted her about this in an email, Denied that there was anything staged about them.
She claims she'd taken them both live on the scene.
But the second photograph to be discovered with all the parrots present totally discredits the first.
In fact, if you look closely in the second photograph, there are a couple women in the background who appear to be sitting in chairs, casually looking on, causing me to refer to this photograph as lounging at the massacre.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, when I saw these adults standing in front of this assembly line of children being let out, and just standing like this, kind of like observing casually, like, oh, are they doing this right or something?
As a parent, and you don't even have to be a parent, you know, anyone can look at human nature and typical human characteristics and responses to a supposed madman who just moments before shot up the school and other children, you do not stand casually like you're watching a soccer game.
Okay.
So that was like one of the big red flags to me as I was looking at your book, Jim.
And, you know, I think I told you this story before.
I was hunched down in my bed late at night and I was horrified.
When I started, when it first struck me that I was deceived, not just me, of course, but the whole country and town and world even, because this reverberated across the world even, were deceived and that that was a possibility that we had been deceived.
Yeah.
My mind kind of split into a dark place and I sunk down and I had just had this, this cold, heavy, dreary, sad feeling, like horror feeling that how is this possible and I think What most people, because this came up in my head immediately, what most people think when presented with an ulterior fact to the official story is, how can that many people be involved, complicit, and covering up?
And I was like, no.
I mean, it must be, no.
I was like, no way, you know?
And I turned to my husband, you know, and I said, because he was asking me what I was looking at, and he probably could sense I was upset, I said, Look at this picture, honey.
I mean, they're all just like standing there looking like and he said, What is that?
And he said, Oh, put that you put that away.
That is horrible.
And, you know, I listened to him and no, I'm not trying to criticize my husband, although I wish he would be open to some of the ulterior facts of this case.
But I did listen to him for quite a number of months until my encounter with Beto O'Rourke and other people approached me saying, you know, this was involved, could have been a drill.
And you have to look into these ulterior investigative reports people did and look further into this, Becky, they said.
And they really woke me up to it because, Jim, I did put it aside for a few months, just feeling, as I think many people do, just kind of like horrified, disgusted.
Because the media and everyone who orchestrated this event and the whole, you know, structure of deceit and manipulation in this country makes you feel like you're the worst person in the world to question whether little children were murdered or not.
And boy, if you even just suggest that maybe this didn't happen according to the official story, you are a disgusting, horrible person who's tormenting these poor families and how you're just, you know, you're just like these, you know, I could go on and on.
That is what most people are up against as you know, Jim.
And they just reject it because they don't want to look at the ulterior facts brought out in this case.
They just want to accept the official story.
And, you know, I think obviously this is because Once you realize like I did like wow if Sandy Hook is a lie because I went down that road like what else is a lie you know that is one of the scariest things you can do of course in this in this life because um You go down a road that is scary.
Your whole framework of reality is shattered.
Everyone you trusted or trusted to some extent in the government and local officials and in the schools that they're taking care of you that they have and your children and they have your best interests in mind and you're all aiming towards the good and you're all trying to do the best you can in life.
Yeah, no, no, that's not true.
And that's a very scary reality to face.
And most people will not face that most people even giving a glimmer of the of the true, true facts of this case will not even look at it, they will reject it, because it's a very scary prospect to look at the truth.
It is very scary, unfortunately.
Well, it was a very cleverly designed scam, because They had to consult social psychologists and psychiatrists to get the maximal emotional impact, which is why they had to have children, first graders, innocent children, naive in life, be the targets, so they could make it something that would simply overwhelm the emotions.
And when the emotions are overwhelmed, logic, reason tends to shut down, just as we've been confronted with.
Black Lives Matter, Antifa, Coronavirus.
I mean, we're overwhelmed.
And it's very difficult to get the perspective, to step back and appraise what's really going on.
So they have, according to the official account of Sandy Hook by Steven Sedensky, who is the state's attorney from Danbury, there were 489 children there that day.
If you subtract the 20 dead, that meant they had to evacuate 469, plus about 70 custodians, teachers, staff, cafeteria workers, janitors.
But there wasn't a single bus that went in and out.
As you may know, Rebecca, in fact, Dickinson Drive, which was the only access route in or out, was so clogged That if you had wanted to get an emergency vehicle in there, you could not have done it.
I mean, it's completely outrageous.
Yeah, and if I can interject really quick, you know, Dickinson Drive is actually just a driveway to the school.
I mean, they make it sound like it's a road, but it's really just like a 600-foot or 600-yard driveway up to Sanding Hook Elementary School.
And that's right, it was clogged and nearly blocked that morning.
So how did Shannon Hicks, according to her story, get in her Jeep?
I think the Conga Line photo was taken at 10-09.
How did she get up through this mostly blocked driveway up to the school to shoot these children evacuating when the EMTs and paramedics were still told to hold off and park in the rear of the Sandy Hook Fire Department by the police and by the EMS captain?
Now, that is absurd.
I mean, if we're gonna believe the official police story that, well, the scene wasn't secure yet, we thought there was a second shooter, we couldn't let the EMS and paramedics up at that point, well, what the heck was Shannon Hicks doing up there, driving up, she says, in her Jeep up to there, and how come she could take photos?
I mean, these things are, this is unbelievable.
And then, of course, there was no, are they called medevac helicopters?
I don't know if I'm using the correct term.
Right, right, right, medevac, yeah.
Yeah, there was no medevac helicopters coming in, allowed in on the scene.
That would have been routine.
There's just so many anomalies to this case, especially when you consider all the protocols.
Dan Erber wrote a great article, maybe we can get his link up there, that I used to write my petition post on.
And you know, the protocols that were set in place after Columbine for school shootings were not followed for Sandy Hook in the least.
And if you're going to take the official report from the Connecticut State Police and Steven Siedenski at face value, boy, that is call for a reopen of this case investigation.
I think they absolutely should reopen this.
And you know what, Jim, would be key to that is Is maybe a panel of key people looking at the evidence, the unredacted evidence.
Because if you look at the FBI report, if you look at the Connecticut State Police report, it is like 80% redacted, you know, or not the FBI report is about 80% redacted.
And the Connecticut State Police report has nonsensical redactions.
I mean, just key names.
I mean, we can't even Get it straight, whether Chris Manfredonia was buzzed in at 9.30 a.m.
according to Steven Sedensky's report.
Chris Manfredonia, who lived just behind Adam Lanza, and according to Steven Sedensky's report, arrived at 9.30 a.m.
just when Adam Lanza supposedly shot through the side glass of the main doors and started to gun down the principal and the others.
Um, and okay, this neighbor of Adam Lanza just was busted at almost the same time as Adam Lanza, and he must have driven, was he driving with Adam Lanza right behind?
Did they wave to each other?
Did he help Adam Lanza bring in his four alleged guns that weighed half of his body weight?
I mean, I could go on and on as I'm sure you could too, you know, but I just wish people See, if people like me who believe the official story for seven years could have been presented with some of these alternate facts to the official story, I think some people, if they had the capacity to have an open mind, would be like, oh yeah, what?
Wait.
But if you listen to CNN or Fox News or any of these mainstream, any mainstream, I'm sorry, but any mainstream news media source, local, national, you will not see that second photo of the evacuating kids.
You will not see these discrepancies pointed out anywhere between the Connecticut State Police report and the Steven Sedensky report.
And that's why a lot of people, of course, are still blind to this, Jim, as you know.
Well, you're making great points, Rebecca.
And what Many don't understand in the book, we had in chapter 7, 50 photographs of how they Took an empty home to turn it into the Adam Lanza residence.
We have photographs of Adam Lanza's room where his bed is made up and it's nice and neat.
We have another where the bed is not made up and it's all messy.
But surely it was either made up and neat or it was messy the day of the event.
You're not going to come in and rearrange things.
You had the classic photograph in the Nancy Lonza's bedroom, where Adam is alleged to have shot her with a .22 caliber rifle.
And there's a little bit of red stuff on the bed, but it doesn't look like blood.
I think it might be raspberry jam.
There's a cedar chest there with some papers.
You see in other of the photographs, because they were keeping records on how they arranged the rooms, and then with her keen eye, Kelly Watt, who has her own home and commercial cleaning service, noted a blue moving van, a moving pad beneath the leg of the bed that in their haste they forgot to remove.
And then we have in Chapter 8, 50 photographs of them refurbishing the school to serve as the stage, including the moving vans coming in.
You've still got a name tag on the door for the classroom.
The most important of all the photographs in that chapter is you have the crying vehicle all replaced.
And you know it's before the event because there's a string of four windows in Classroom 10 that would be shot out during the event, but they're unbroken here.
And yet there is crime scene tape up yet for a crime that is yet to be committed.
When we published the first edition, we thought that photograph had been taken the morning of the 14th, but actually, based upon shadow analysis, which we corrected in the second edition, It was taken the evening of the 13th, and guess who's there leaning against the wall with his arms folded?
Wayne Carver, the medical examiner, waiting for the arrival of his portable mortuary tent.
I mean, this is the most decisive proof we could possibly have.
Go ahead.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Jim.
I was just going to say, when The book was banned by Amazon less than a month after it had gone on sale on 22 October 2015.
It had sold nearly 500 copies when it was banned on 19 November, and InfoWars ran an article about it, and they put that same photograph of the crime scene vehicle there, even better quality.
Uh, when they talked about the banning of the book.
Now it was only up for like 38 minutes.
It already had 138 comments and they took it down.
I already had made a screen capture and I'm sure the reason they took it down was because it accurately gave photo credit Connecticut State Police.
The Connecticut State police were running the thing behind the scene.
It's shocking.
All those photographs, the 50 photographs of them arranging the furniture in the empty home, and you know for sure it's an empty home because there's nothing on the wall.
There are no paintings, no mirrors, no diagrams, no artwork, nothing, which is ridiculous.
I bet the rental agent insisted they not put anything on the wall because they didn't want to have to go through and patch it up in order to sell it.
But the fact of the matter is this was done by the Connecticut State Police, and the fellow from Australia did brilliant work, didn't identify for me at the time the original source, but it turned out that was where they came from, the Connecticut State Police files, because they were keeping records of everything they did during the whole event.
Yeah, and I have to say, I've just started to explore recently the vast and mangled Connecticut State Police Report, which if you access it online, it's unsearchable, and you have to really dedicate a big portion of your day to get through it.
But when I started diving into those crime scene photos, as you described, Jim, and some other ones in particular, you know, I'm a former educator as well.
I've worked as a journalist for almost two decades in a magazine editor, but I'm a former educator as well.
And when I saw certain crime scene photos of the interior of Sandy Hook Elementary School, where the black mold on the baseboards of these doors, and one thing in particular struck me too, in terms of the outside shots of these classrooms, these first grade in terms of the outside shots of these classrooms, these first grade classrooms, if you look on the nameplate, the teacher nameplates on there, They're jagged and broken.
There's a white slips of paper with the typed out names like Ms.
Soto and Ms.
Roig.
It literally looks Jim.
Like, they said to a bunch of government guys, you know what, we gotta stage this as a school, so can you get on that?
And these guys, which had no clue about what the interior of an elementary school looks like, and I can tell ya, at a gold standard school, especially like Sandy Hook Elementary School, Boy, those nameplates, first of all, they wouldn't be chipped and jagged and dilapidated.
They'd, you know, they'd have butterfly stickers and be all bright and wonderful.
This is a gold standard school, in Sandy Hook Elementary School, where very powerful, wealthy people allegedly sent their little children.
Now, I've worked in Denver inner city schools that look better than the condition of the interior crime scene photos of the Sandy Hook Elementary School.
So that was a big red flag for me, too.
I have to say, Jim, in terms of very alarming crime scene photos in the Connecticut State Police Report, just look at the main shots of the hallway.
There's no blood.
Now, supposedly three adults, including Don Hushbrung, the principal, was gunned down in the hallway, and there's no trapped blood?
There's no pools of blood in the crime scene photos?
I mean, how can people swallow this and believe that this is the official story?
Of course, most people trust CNN and Anderson Cooper and whoever else tells them that this shooting happened.
And they don't, of course, like us, dive into these kind of things.
And I wish people would would listen up and take a look, because also, Jim, I have to say this has been a stickler for me in terms of crime scene photos.
You've got Caitlin Roig, the first grade teacher who says she locked 15 of her little first grade students in a bathroom within her first grade classroom in the back of the first grade classroom.
Now, listen, I taught elementary school.
I've taught first grade, too.
There would never, ever be a tiny bathroom, well, there'd be a tiny bathroom in a classroom, but that they would never allow six-year-olds to lock out adults from within the bathroom that they're using.
That in terms of safety, first of all, it would never pass a fire inspection, which Wolfgang Halbig pointed out.
But this is nonsensical.
And she said that she made the police, when the police knocked on her door and said, it's the police, we're here to rescue you, she said, and this is in an interview with ABC News, she said, I don't believe you.
You find a key to this little bathroom.
I'm not opening it up.
And then apparently the The cops came back with the key and opened the door and let all of the 15 students out of this three-by-four bathroom, okay.
With a door that swung inward.
With a door that swung inward, but then this is another glitch, Jim.
It's like, if you look at the crime scene photos of those bathroom doors, especially Caitlin Roig's little bathroom in her classroom, the door locks are drilled out in the crime scene photos.
So, okay.
First of all, there would never be locks, as I just established, on a little, on a first-grade bathroom within a classroom, but then they're drilled out in the crime scene photos?
Um, how did she, um, attest to, um, the ABC News, um, and, um, the police that she locked the police out and locked the door from the inside until they could get a key?
How can this stand up in the Sedensky Report and the Connecticut State Police Report as a fact?
It is untrue.
It is an absolute lie.
The door locks were drilled out in the crime scene photos.
The crime scene is not supposed to be disrupted before you take the crime scene photos.
Am I wrong here?
So why were those locks drilled out?
I mean, she's obviously lying.
I just wish people, I just wish this information could get to the masses, right?
Well, think of it this way, quantitatively.
It's a three-by-four bathroom with a door that swings in.
Fifteen teenagers.
15 little kids.
Suppose they weigh 50 pounds apiece.
That's 750 pounds of a squirming first grader.
Then you've got the teacher who's at least another 100 pounds.
That's 850 pounds in a 3x4 bathroom with a door that swings in.
It's absurd!
A single NFL guard or tackle that weighs 350 would have filled it up effortlessly.
This was such an absurd story.
Do you know when they banned my book, where I brought together 13 experts, including six PhDs, important because it's a certification of your ability to conduct serious research, we established the school had been closed by 2008.
It was loaded with asbestos and other biohazards, damaged by a hurricane, even turns out there was a major flood in the air in 2007.
And a lot of what you were describing there were mold marks from the flooding that occurred.
There were no students there, and it was this two-day FEMA drill, technically a mass casualty exercise involving children.
Well, Rebecca, we even found the manual.
I included the manual as Appendix A. I mean, how absurd is that?
And everything we found confirmed that it had been a FEMA exercise.
The sign, everyone must check in.
Whoever heard of that at a crime scene?
But it says right in the manual, everyone must check in with a controller upon arrival in order to be paid.
Then there were porta-potties already in place, bottled water and pizza at the firehouse.
Many have these name tags on lanyards.
Now, I asked police, have you ever heard of port-a-potties or pizza and bottled water in a crime scene?
And they laughed.
Yeah, because it's so absurd.
I know.
It's standard for a FEMA exercise.
They provide refreshments in restaurants and they identify the players.
With color-coded name tags on lanyards.
We even had parents bringing children to the scene.
Think about it, Rebecca.
What parent is going to bring a child to the scene of a child-shooting massacre?
But this was the rehearsal, and they were treating it as a festive occasion.
It's so blatant.
We even had participants who got confused about the date and went up and put donation websites up on the 13th.
Even Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, was initially recorded in the Social Security Death Index as having died on the 13th, making his feat in shooting 20 kids and 6 adults the following day all the more remarkable.
Yeah, in terms of police not acting as you would think they would act during a mass shooting event.
That's right.
I mean, look at the dash cam photo, which was obviously taken at some other point in time, because it looks like a tailgate party.
I mean, this woman shows up with a big box of Doritos and grinders in a bag and water bottles, and they're laughing it up and yucking it up on film.
And it's like, yeah, kids were just apparently slaughtered just feet from you.
So it makes no sense.
And, you know, just looking at it as a human You would think, you know, typical emotions in common with yourself, how you would react to something like this.
No, it doesn't make sense.
And then there's things like Lieutenant Cinco, who was on duty a couple of miles from Sandy Hook on a traffic duty assignment.
And it took him two, even though they had all units report I mean, I wish I could get some more information of that.
Of course, they won't answer any of our questions.
But then you've got so many anomalies with the police.
Chris Miafredonia who apparently had a, well, he had a first grader in Ms. Roig's class.
And he was apparently, according to Sedensky's report, buzzed into the school at 9:30.
Now, in his report that he gave to police, he says, no, he didn't go into the schools.
Okay, so we can't believe Sedensky's report then.
But okay, he says he didn't go into the school.
He heard gunshots and smelled sulfur and he ran around the outside of the San Diego Luke Elementary School to try to get to his six-year-old daughter who is in Caitlin Rowett's class.
First of all, Caitlin Rowett's class is the very first classroom to the left.
outside the main entrance.
So if the front window was shot out and he was that concerned about his daughter, why wouldn't he run through the front entrance and get to his daughter?
Now, you can say, okay, people react under stress in different ways.
Okay.
But then why did the cops apparently reportedly stop Chris Manfredonia running away from the school towards Crestwood Drive where two police were ordered to be stationed?
They handcuff him.
They quickly clear him and dismiss him, even though according to child reports of the shooter, describe him as looking like a dad and the same clothing descriptions as Chris Manfredonia.
Now, I'm not saying anything accusing Chris Manfredonia of anything, of course.
But here's the thing.
It doesn't make sense and it doesn't add up.
I'm Another thing, Jim, I want to note that a lot of people don't realize is that a, well, I'm sure a lot of your viewers realize this, but people in the masses don't realize this, is that there was an armed SWAT, a tactical SWAT guy, armed, running away from a tactical SWAT guy, armed, running away from the school.
He was armed, he was a tactical SWAT officer, and he was also apprehended by Newtown police and quickly cleared and dismissed and free to go.
Okay, give me a break.
This is allegedly one of the worst school shootings in the history of our country, and they just let these guys just go, and especially when they say that for hours afterwards they were concerned about a second shooter, and EMS and paramedics weren't even allowed to come up near the school because it wasn't secure, and EMS and paramedics weren't even allowed to come up near the school because it wasn't secure, and it's not safe to try and save all of these children
And yet they're going to quickly clear and release two suspicious men who are running away from the school?
It makes no sense.
No sense.
You know, on a ground level, if you're going to accept the official story at a ground level, that in itself makes no sense, right?
Yeah, and your point about the blood is impeccable.
In fact, Kelly Watt, who was the one who spotted the blue moving pad beneath the leg of the bed in the Nancy Lanza Bedroom actually called state agency to find out who cleaned up the blood because she has her own home and commercial clean service.
She knew blood is a biohazard.
You have to have documentation of its disposal from the original source to its proper disposition.
And she'd call agency after agency to find out who cleaned up the blood and none of them could answer the question.
So they directed her to Lieutenant Paul Vance.
And when he answered, he said, who cleaned up the blood?
And Vance said, what blood?
Which of course told it all because there wasn't any blood!
Right.
It's amazing how they let loose some major clues, right, to the truth.
Yeah, that's right.
And you know, they really tamped down on information coming out right away.
And Lieutenant Vance was very instrumental in that.
He, of course, gave the press conference that morning and kind of outwardly warned people to not discuss anything about the event or they would face prosecution.
Do you know what I'm talking about, Jim?
Yeah, sure I do.
I sure do.
You know.
And that was a message.
Yeah, that was a message to the people involved, of course, to just shut up, right?
Right.
Well, we had local parents who were saying they thought it was very odd there were any students there because the school had been abandoned years ago.
But once Paul Vance made that threat to prosecute, they all shut up.
Well, that's right.
And in terms of tamping down on information like Kelly Watt experienced, I mean, we all know the story with the death certificates.
And going back to the Halstead connection, Debbie Aurelia Halstead is married to Bill Halstead, the longtime 35-year fire chief at Standing Hook Fire Department.
Well, Debbie Halstead is the town clerk for the past, I don't know, eight years or so.
And she was instrumental In allowing the Connecticut legislators to change long-standing FOIA laws, freedom of information laws, one of the crucial freedoms of information in our country is to get information, public record information, like death certificates, especially in this day and age when so many people are fascinated by their ancestry, right?
Well, Uh, FOI, um, committee members at the legislative level were flabbergasted when this was brought up that these death certificates should be withheld from public and press.
And, uh, you know, even more flabbergasted that it was passed by the legislature.
And, of course, the only death certificates, I believe, Jim, you can correct me if I'm wrong, we received is the Noah Posner one and Adam Lanza himself.
And I think that with Posner was just because he was involved in a lawsuit, maybe even with your lawsuit, I don't know, but those are the only two ones that the public have seen, and that was Debbie Aurelia Halstead, the town clerk who was instrumental in doing that, yeah.
They have subsequently prepared death certificates for the others.
I believe that.
I would, of course, would not put it past them when you can... Well, they had to cover Yeah, that's right.
And they can manufacture anything, of course.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
They manufacture the news, right?
Yes, that's right, that's right.
That's right, so you can't even go... If they were suddenly to release death certificates six months from now to try and prove something, I wouldn't even buy it, of course.
But that's the thing.
They tamp down on information very quickly and very aggressively.
When you just consider matter-of-fact, common-sense things, like if all these parents are showing up to get their near 500 students that were evacuated, everyone in the world in 2012 had a cell phone, right?
Or near everyone, right?
And no photos!
No photos of other that by parents or neighbors or anything were released to anyone to see this alleged evacuation of nearly 500 students and that just there is such a strange anomaly, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, and as some in the chat room are observing, there were leaves on the tree making it suspicious and making us suspect that Shannon actually took the photos well in advance.
But it's very clear they're staged, whether she took them that day or earlier, as is probable.
Right, and Shannon Hicks, I want to just point out, as I illustrated in my latest blog post on my local blog, Newtown Rooster, and you reposted it on your site, jamesfetzer.org, illustrates how Shannon Hicks is a Sandy Hook firefighter as well, and she's married to one of the firefighters there.
And I know in small towns you can see this kind of stuff, but when these same key players are so tied into the Sandy Hook event, this many coincidences is not a coincidence.
And who is the first person to make a 911 call from Sandy Hook Elementary School that morning?
Barbara Halstead, who is the ex-wife of... It's a very tight group, isn't it, Rebecca?
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Yeah, like I was saying, there's so many layers to this at the local level and even going up to the state level, when you look at the connections to big politicians, you know, or people that donate to the Democratic Party in particular, because we know how the gun grab, gun confiscation laws, which they really are not common sense gun laws, but they're gun confiscation laws that are being pushed on us.
Mostly by the liberal Democrat side, but this is very orchestrated.
I think, you know, Jim, at first when I learned about Sandy Hook, I was like, oh, this is all about getting our guns, right?
And it is, it is that.
But it's also, if you look at it at a deeper level, this is an assault against our freedom of speech, First Amendment freedom of speech, which is integral to this bigger agenda going on, you see now, with so many of these psychological operations.
But also it's a control by fear agenda.
It ties into the control by fear agenda.
If you think, just look around you at this coronavirus thing we're going through right now.
If you keep people in fear, whether it's fear of a gun shooting or fear of a random building blowing up like in Oklahoma City or whatever, or imaginary or not so harmful virus like coronavirus, right?
If you keep them in fear, the masses in fear, they will willingly give up their rights.
They will think, we need you government or government controllers to protect us and we willingly give up our rights.
Now, I think more and more people are kind of waking up to what's going on and I hope they are, but most people are willingly giving up their rights in this country.
It's very sad, as you know, Jim.
Well, Rebecca, I think that the whole gun control agenda has been tossed into the circular file by all the looting and riots and mayhem going on in all our cities.
Anyone today who wanted to give up their guns would be a retard.
I mean, look, obviously you have to be able to defend yourself.
We even had the Chief of Police in Seattle telling the businesses and homeowners they gotta fend for themselves because the Seattle City Council has directed that the police cannot use pepper spray and tear gas to dispense crowds, which means they're incapable of riot control.
And because the Democrats have gone so far out on a limb with their move to abolish police, the police unions right here in Wisconsin are not going to provide any protection at the Democratic Convention in Milwaukee.
I mean, they have reached that conclusion on their own, and how sensible!
I think anyone who looks seriously What's going on in these Democrat-controlled cities, whether it's Seattle or Portland or Los Angeles or Chicago or even Oakland, That's what they want to do for the whole country.
I mean, good God, in New York City, they've dropped 600 undercover cops.
de Blasio did.
And it turns out de Blasio is a long-time Marxist-Communist.
He even honeymooned in Cuba.
He changed his name.
How this guy became the mayor of New York City is beyond me.
But he's profoundly involved in overthrowing the government of the United States, as are these other Antifa and Black Lives Matter.
Yeah, and you know, I have to say, I mean, a lot of people are probably thinking, oh, Sandy Hook, it happened almost eight years ago, why are we still talking about it?
And, you know, part of the reason, obviously, is I live right here in Sandy Hook, Newtown, but also I kind of woke up very recently, so I'm diving into this as a newbie.
It's very relevant to things that happen after like, of course, the Boston bombing, but so relevant to what we see going on all around us today.
And gun confiscation is obviously was very key to the Sandy Hook event because, you know, they pull at our heartstrings.
They knew by using six-year-old children allegedly getting slaughtered by a gunman, That they could go after the guns and people would not question because they would look like heartless, horrible people who are questioning maybe not just the official story that children died, but also if you believe the story, it's like, oh, you know, and I was kind of part of that.
I mean, Atlantic Magazine called me up because I made some comment on their Facebook a few years after the Sandy Hook event.
They called me up for a comment because, you know, Dick's Sporting Goods, you know, Yeah.
They stopped selling certain kinds of guns.
And I made a comment on Atlantic Magazine's Facebook page about how great that was.
You know, this is my state of mind then.
And they called me up and I gave a quote.
And listen, I bought it too.
Most people like me.
I mean, I know you're an ex-Marine, right, Jim?
Former Marine Corps Captain, yes.
Marine Corps Captain, so you understand guns.
You understand the difference between semi-automatic and assault and fully automatic.
Okay, me, I'm like the typical dummy, especially women, I hate to say it, and when the press says we need to ban these semi-automatic or assault rifles or assault life rifles, they love to say that, right?
Assault type rifles.
And people like me, I hate to say it, I don't know anything about guns.
I'm like, Yeah, little children were slaughtered.
We have to get rid of these horrible guns, you know.
And, you know, I bought it, too.
I bought it, too.
And part of the reason is because the media obviously doesn't educate us on the differences between these guns because they obviously they're pushing their agenda.
They're part of the deception.
But yeah, so... It's a classic straw man argument where you give an exaggerated version of a position to make it easier to attack.
The AR-15 is the most popular and versatile rifle we have.
It's semi-automatic, meaning it automatically reloads each time you fire, but you have to pull the trigger each time you fire a bullet.
With an automatic, you depress the trigger and it continues to fire until all the ammunition is expended.
No semi-automatic weapon is properly qualified as an assault rifle.
That's just language they use.
Because to make it look scary, you know, because they're unfamiliar with a weapon.
It's actually very lightweight and very easy to handle, highly accurate.
And it's just the kind of weapon the American people need if they have to defend a tyranny by their own government or an invading force.
It's the most versatile of them all.
Yeah, and you know, if you had pulled me aside six, eight months ago and asked me the difference between semi-automatic, automatic, I was one of these classical dummies who didn't know.
I wouldn't know that with a semi-automatic rifle, you still have to go like this, right?
I wouldn't know that, and I think, unfortunately, a lot of people don't know that, and you're right.
They use a motion, and they use a strawman argument, and they just group all guns into that.
I have to say, this is embarrassing to admit, but The last election.
This will illustrate how far I've come, Jim.
The last election, I voted for Hillary Clinton.
The more you learn about Hillary, the more you despise her.
This is a terrible person.
She's one of the few bonafide monsters on the face of Earth.
Oh, I know.
I feel like just saying that, most of your viewers just turn me off now.
But here's the thing.
I started looking at the kind of liberal Democrat insanity going on.
And after a year or two after I had voted for Hillary and I started looking around, I looked at the whole transgender push and this gun grab push.
And I was like, what's going on?
I walked away from the Democrat Party.
I became, I registered as a Republican.
I started to kind of dive deeper into topics.
And maybe that was part of the reason I was so receptive to people reaching out to me after the Beto O'Rourke encounter who said, like Jim, they were like, oh, you know about false flags.
I'm like, what's a false flag?
So I'm the typical dummy back then.
But what I'm trying to say is I quickly figured out a lot about what's going on here.
And guns are very instrumental.
I feel, Jim, correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like the United States is kind of like the last stronghold with holding on to our guns, you know, in terms of the world, right?
Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think that if you think of like UN agendas or Agenda 21 and these kind of higher level agendas, They're really going after gun rights in America.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Jim.
So I think that's particularly why Sandy Hook is still relevant because you take our guns away and then it's like because of coronavirus we go to a malicious, not a malicious, what is it called?
martial law, right, or a police state, we can't protect ourselves, you know, and Sandy Hook was very instrumental in pushing towards that.
So it's still very relevant.
But Rebecca, yeah, for all their efforts with all these staged events, and it was Barack Obama, by the way, who nullified the Smith-Mutt Act of 1948, which precluded the use of the same techniques of propaganda and disinformation within the United States that were being used without by which precluded the use of the same techniques of propaganda and disinformation within the United States that were being used without by the Smith-Mutt
Well, we not only had Sandy Hook, we had Orlando, we had Parkland, we had Las Vegas, all these designed To justify taking away our guns.
But they have now undermined it all completely.
They've just thrown it into the trash can by all the riots and looting and all the attacks on businesses and homes.
So now you have armed American citizens out there to protect the businesses that the local police won't do because the Democrat mayors won't let them do it.
Yeah, and I feel like, and I don't have enough knowledge on this to speak with much authority, but I feel like if they're going to defund the police, you know, I think they're going to bring in something else that we don't want, right?
Some kind of new UN agenda police force or something.
I don't know, Jim, but it's very scary to think what's going brewing In the atmosphere.
I'll tell you, Rebecca, there's talk about, you know, the UN trying to get a leverage and they were going to do it on the basis of systemic racism, except they discovered like all last year, there were only nine unarmed blacks who were shot.
And in fact, seven of them were assaulting police officers.
There was no basis for systemic racism.
So now they're going to try and make out that Bush has been violating the rights of the protesters, except The protesters aren't peaceful.
The protesters have gone violent.
And since the Democrat mayors and governors won't do anything about it, he's sending them in to protect federal property like courthouses.
And the incidents have just been growing by leaps and bounds.
The Democrats are destroying any prospect they might have had.
Well, maybe you can explain to me, Jim, if they do defund the police across state by state, what is this martial law?
Would that take over or what would happen, do you think?
Martial law?
You mean if the U.N.
tried to invade?
The U.N.
would be wiped out.
I'll tell you, Rebecca, there'd be no quicker solution than to have a bunch of these U.N.
come into the United States because we got 130 million armed Americans who aren't going to put up with it.
I'll tell you right now.
So that would be very short experience.
I believe that Trump is very, very crafty here.
He's used a rope-a-dope strategy.
He's let the Democrats show who they really are, and they have done it in spades.
Anyone who looks at Portland and Seattle can see what the Democrats would like to do for the entire United States if they have the chance.
Rebecca, I expect, is going to reconnect.
If any of you have other questions you'd like to put here, we can talk about it while Rebecca is coming back.
She is so wonderful.
I am so proud of this woman who's been, you know, speaking up for the truth.
Is anyone still there?
Yes, yes, yes.
You saw a UN vehicle in Milwaukee.
Well, that's pretty damn interesting.
A UN vehicle in Milwaukee.
As I mentioned already, the police unions here in Wisconsin have withdrawn from their contracts to provide security for the Democratic Convention because the Democrats are assailing the police who want to not just unfund but disband the police.
Can you imagine?
And America.
American cities with no police.
I mean, it's insane.
Go ahead.
You're asking about my old shows and all that.
Actually, you can find them on BitChute.
Look for Sandy Hook Update.
Sandy Hook Update.
Tracy loses.
Wolfgang wins.
The Deep State Strikes back.
You can find that there.
It was an interview I did with Brian Rue, R-U-H-E, but it's on BitChute.
That's the most comprehensive overview.
I have subsequently done several interviews with Rebecca, and as I suspected, she's back.
Yeah, I have you.
I've been filling in in your absence.
There's something there in front of the camera.
Is it your hand?
I'm sorry.
Okay.
I'm on my phone.
You're here.
Oh, that's not a problem.
Go ahead.
You're doing great.
Yeah, I'm not sure why it happens to me a lot, but maybe it is a real technical glitch.
So I apologize, but I'm back.
No, Rebecca, I'm not surprised.
I'm I'm assailed all the time.
I had a very unusual... all the electricity went out in my house just as I was starting to set up in order to interview you.
The electricity went out.
The whole house was shut off.
So I had to... I had, like you, to find a different location in order to conduct the interview.
But everyone is eager.
Everyone is eager to hear more from you.
So please do continue.
Yeah, I'm not sure where we were cut off.
You were explaining... Well, I was talking about how they've thrown away their gun control agenda by all the rioting and looting because gun sales have been going through the roof.
Yeah, if you can center yourself a little better, that's good.
That's good.
That's very good.
That's good.
That's good, Rebecca.
Go for it.
And you were talking about, you know, Difference between automatic and semi-automatic and the scare tactics, would you believe?
Although there's some five million AR-15s in the country, only five have ever been claimed to have been used in any of these shootings, and they were fake ones like Sandy Hook.
And Orlando and Parkland and Las Vegas.
In other words, there's a whole lot of bullshit out there and it's just shocking that this country has descended to such a low level that all that the Democrats have to provide in their defense is one lie after another.
And Rebecca, you said you were embarrassed by the fact you'd voted for Hillary.
Well, I didn't commit that gross mistake, but I voted twice for Bill Clinton.
And I voted twice for Barack Obama.
Oh, yeah, see, I know.
We all kind of open our eyes a little bit more as we keep learning new and new things.
Well, it had a lot to do with their opponents, you know.
I mean, I couldn't vote for John McCain or, God forbid, Mitt Romney.
I mean, these people are ridiculous.
John McCain was instrumental in the creation of ISIS.
In fact, in Washington, ISIS was known as John McCain's army.
For those who may be unaware, ISIS was created by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Brennan in 2012.
Michael Flynn, who was then the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, opposed it.
And therefore, Brennan, who was the head of the CIA, suggested to Obama he ought to fire Mike Flynn, which Obama obligingly did.
So Michael Flynn was fired by Obama for opposing the creation of a terrorist army in Syria.
Yeah, I know.
That's right.
And you were saying how I was clueless about guns and how guns truly protect us as citizens of America.
And that's right.
And, you know, I have educated myself since then, but I wish more people would because You probably know Dan Crenshaw, of course, the Texas Congressman.
He's a military guy.
He's a wealth of information.
I remember just listening to an interview with Dan Crenshaw.
Where he explained that the AR-15 in particular in terms of home security is ideal because you can mount it to your shoulder in terms of accuracy if someone's invading your home.
You want a rifle and now you want a shoulder mounted rifle if someone's invading your home for protection because handguns are very imprecise and not accurate.
I don't know if I, correct me if I'm wrong Jim, but I learned a lot It's the single most versatile all-purpose weapon available and it is surprisingly lightweight.
So it's very easy to use.
I'm trying to educate myself about guns and how we truly need to protect ourselves.
It's the single most versatile all-purpose weapon available, and it is surprisingly lightweight.
So it's very easy to use.
Now, for home security, I have a shotgun.
So, you know, it will do the job.
And you don't have to be quite as precise in aiming because the shotgun shall spread to a larger area.
But, you know, for home security, I have a 12 gauge pump action.
So, you know, you fire, you reload, you fire, you reload.
Very effective.
And then I think you always should have a handgun as well.
In fact, if everyone had concealed carry, The crime rate in the country would drop dramatically because then the perps wouldn't know that those who are in the vicinity couldn't actually take them out if the occasion arose.
This is why you find there's a correlation between Murder rates in the United States and areas controlled by the Democrats where they've created gun-free zones.
Because remember, Rebecca, the gun-free zone only applies to law-abiding citizens.
The criminals are criminals because they don't obey the law.
So how stupid is that?
I mean, the NRA had it right way back when, when they observed that When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
I mean, it's maximal stupidity, and yet that's the position of the Democratic Party.
Right, and just being a parent with two, I have two teenagers who attend Newtown High School in town, and I just, you know, educated myself about these so-called, I think they're called soft zones, or soft spots, where there are gun-free zones, and schools, of course, are one of them.
And that's right, when you look at these gun-free zones, or soft soft zones or soft spots as people understand them to be, you are very vulnerable because you hit the nail on the head, Jim.
Who's going to ignore those laws?
Oh, well, criminals who want to shoot up the school or the place, right?
So it makes no sense.
It makes no sense.
Gun free zones are perfect for them because then they know they're not going to confront any They can come in anywhere and shoot up the place, whether it's a bar, a restaurant, a bank.
What the hell?
Now, banks have security guards, so therefore they're going to be more wary.
But just imagine if everyone had concealed carry.
I have concealed carry.
The president ought to authorize concealed carry across the entire nation.
It would do a great deal to bring down the crime rate.
Which is soaring in Democratic-controlled areas.
Soaring.
Right.
That's right.
And I'm sorry, I'm having some technical difficulties again.
No, you're looking fine.
You're coming through.
Everything's good.
Yeah, that's right, and concealed carry laws.
And just on a personal level, Jim, I want to say I looked into, of course, protecting myself when I kind of woke up to the true reality of how the world works after this Beto encounter.
And of course, you know, as you know, and some of your viewers might know, I visited my local utility with a concern about a smart meter.
That I wanted taken off my home for health reasons because of my family and they called the Newtown cops on me.
I was patiently and nicely waiting for three hours in the waiting area and they called the cops.
I said listen this isn't necessary.
And I just wanted to be assured the smart meter would be taken off my home.
And, you know, the two Newtown police officers showed up, Officer Penny and Officer Ruzic, and they said, as soon as I said, listen, this is unnecessary.
You know, then I said, I got a little, uh, uh, insulted.
And I said, cause at that point I knew the truth about Sandy Hook.
And I said, you guys don't want to do this to me.
I, you know, I, I didn't say Sandy Hook, but I intimated that I knew the truth about Sandy Hook.
And as soon as I hinted that I knew the truth about Sandy Hook, um, officer Ruznik said, stand up, turn around.
And he cuffed me.
And I've never been arrested before in my life.
And here I am, this Newtown mother who had health concerns over the smart meter, but here's the thing.
Now, of course, they've ordered this mental health evaluation against me in the courts, which is a typical tactic, as Wolfgang Halbig and others will attest to, but now I can't I can't register for a gun safety course and be armed myself because I'm in the court system now.
I'm facing this first-degree criminal trespass charge, which carries up to a year in jail I'm facing.
No joke.
And I'm in a particularly tenuous spot here because I've spoken out about This against the Sandy Hook official narrative and I'm particularly vulnerable I really could be I could use a gun to protect myself, right?
But of course that right has been stripped from me as I work my way through the corrupt court system in Connecticut But that's just to illustrate how crucial gun protection is for citizens of this country and how we really need to hold on to our Second Amendment rights, you know and
Well, you were clearly railroaded on this trespassing and notice, you know, that the company, your electric provider, didn't even push charges against you, which means they're now abusing the system because there's no charge against you except what they can make up now.
You're really in the grip of what they could call a process crime.
You know, you didn't actually commit an offense.
Because there's no charge being brought against you.
It was simply a misunderstanding on the part of your provider, where you had a perfectly legitimate concern about smart meters, which are known to be very dangerous to homes that have them.
That's right.
And talk about malicious prosecution.
I mean, the state's attorney who's prosecuting, who's head of the department prosecuting me in the Danbury court system is Stephen Sedensky, who, of course, issued the official Sandy Hook report.
And guess where he lives?
Oh, he lives in Newtown, Connecticut.
So, you know, everything's stacked against me here when you consider the corruption in the court system, but also stacked against me because I've been very vocal About speaking out about the official story we're supposed to buy behind the Sandy Hook event.
So, you know, my next court date is August 26 in the Danbury court system.
But you know what?
Here's the thing, Jim.
I face up to a year in prison they could technically give me because they ramped up my offense to first degree.
But if they go after me and actually try and prosecute me and bring this to trial, think of the absurdity.
They are letting prisoners out of Danbury Prison because of coronavirus.
And the court system is backed up months because of the coronavirus, so they're way backed up.
So if they go after me and prosecute this, boy, talk about highly suspicious, although I wouldn't put it past them because... Oh, Rebecca, completely absurd, particularly when the original complaint has been withdrawn!
This is like the prosecution of Michael Flynn, where the Department of Justice dropped the prosecution, but the judge wants to go forward with it because he's a political stooge.
I mean, there's no question about it, actually.
It's outrageous.
Yeah, and they try and set an example.
I mean, they're using me to set an example towards people that might come out and question, other residents of Newtown or across the country that might come out and question the official story of Sandy Hook or anything, really.
They're setting an example by maliciously prosecuting me.
And they do it, as you know, to you, of course, with your court case against Posner, which is ridiculous.
And I'm glad you're appealing it because you were not able to bring up the facts of the Sandy Hook case that proved the whole storyline is false.
And to counteract his claim that you were harassing him about a death certificate or allegedly the death of his child.
You know, it's insane.
It's insanity.
Of course, we all know what happened to Wolfgang Halbig, you know.
And my heart goes out to him and his family and what they put him through.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's been very difficult for Wolfgang because his wife really wasn't into it.
And I think they're estranged.
They came out like at 4 a.m.
in the morning to arrest him and marched him through a field two miles to the police car so he'd look all disheveled when they took his mugshot.
Just a case of deliberate harassment and the lawsuit against me It was a strategic lawsuit against public participation.
It's called a slap suit, which is illegal in 27 states.
This is where you're trying to punish someone for speaking out about a public issue, and you want to set an example, drag him into court, make it extend a long time so they pile up legal bills.
Mine have run up to $70,000 in relation to defending myself.
It's completely outrageous, Rebecca.
That's right.
And, um, you know... It's okay.
We know you'll come back.
We know you'll come back.
If you got any questions, anyone there in the chat room, go ahead and put them in the chat box.
And when Rebecca returns, here she is, when Rebecca returns, we'll continue.
Let me see if we can get her up there.
Rebecca, I can see you.
Can you hear me?
Sorry about that.
Can you see me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Except for your hand is there right in front.
Yeah.
She'll be back.
She'll be back.
Again, I say, go ahead and put any questions you might have for Rebecca or for me.
Here she comes.
Very good.
Very good, Rebecca.
You're getting quite adept at this.
So I was going to say, I was going to bring up James Tracy too, right?
Yeah, good guy, good guy!
Yeah, you know, and it's so criminal what they did.
He lost his job.
And of course, I, you know, it's very hard for me to find employment.
But I wanted to say this is how they go after people too.
Of course, they go after your pocket, they go after your financial security and your ability to support your family with these, you know, they'll go after you with lawsuits and hit you financially.
They'll hit you with the mental health evaluation.
I want to say regarding that mugshot with Wolfgang, they did the same thing to me.
You know, they set me up and made me look like the nutball from Planet X in this mugshot, and that they sent out in an email blast all throughout Newtown on Patch and Diabri News Times.
But this is what they do.
They want to make people who counter the official story to Sandy Hook, and otherwise they want to make us look crazy.
So that people won't listen to us when we present the alternative, the other research we've done to illuminate the truth of these false flag events and otherwise.
So it's very sophisticated.
Oftentimes it's very effective.
And as you know, can you hear me, Jim?
Yes, yes.
You're fine.
You're fine, Rebecca.
Yeah, and I was going to say, as you know, they'll go after you in worse ways, too, because a lot of people have just disappeared or died mysteriously after this, because of Sandy Hook in particular.
Just to mention a few cases, there was a state cop, Pogorski, I believe his name is, that Connecticut State police officer that died, he was in good health and just died in his 40s.
And then there's of course the young man, Eric Langelis who was shooting pictures at St. Rose, the morning of the Sandy Hook event.
And he started to upload those pictures. - Rebecca will no doubt be joining us again.
She's frozen up again.
I don't have any doubt there are efforts here to try to sabotage our conversations.
So the questions about Tracy, James Tracy, about Wolfgang Halbert.
Wolfgang's okay.
We haven't spoken for a couple of weeks, but he's a super good guy.
Rebecca, by the way, will be one of my speakers in Austin, Texas, 7-8 November at the Question Everything 2020 conference at the Question Anything, everything, 2020 conference, you can find an update about the conference on my blog at jamesfetzer.org.
A number of those I'm interviewing here are going to be speakers there, including Scott Bennett, the former U.S.
Army Intel and PsyOps officer.
He'll be there.
Dr. Katherine Horton, the particle physicist from Oxford.
Who's leading the legal effort to get rid of directed energy weapons targeting individuals to harass them.
It's a very serious matter.
Gina Pollard Sachs, who's the expert on the godfathers of sex abuse, on Bill Cosby, on On Harvey Weinstein, on Jeffrey Epstein.
She'll also be there.
David W. Mandick, MD, PhD.
David is the leading expert on the medical evidence in the assassination of JFK in the world today.
He'll be there.
You'll be meeting some wonderful people.
I've mentioned Kelly Watt several times.
Kelly, who had spotted the blue moving pad beneath the leg of the bed.
In Nancy Lanza's bedroom and called up and asked Lieutenant Vance who cleaned up the blood.
Kelly, Kelly is going to be there.
Uh, here we have Rebecca back.
So I just want you.
Yeah.
I just wanted to tell everyone that you're going to be speaking at the Question Everything 2020 conference in Austin, Texas on the 7th and 8th.
So if anyone wanted to meet you in person, that would be the perfect occasion.
Yes, and thanks for the invite to that.
That's going to be in Austin, Texas, November 7th and 8th, right, Jim?
Yes, yes.
Austin, Texas, 7th and 8th November.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I feel very honored to join the panel discussion there and keynote speeches there.
So thank you very much for the invite.
I look forward to talking with other like-minded people and meeting the attendees.
So thank you so much for the invite.
It's going to be sensational and some of the best Students at Conspiracies and False Flags in the World are going to be there, including Dr. Nick Colerson, who is not only the world's leading expert on the London 7-7 subway attack, where his book Terror on the Tube is already in its third edition.
He also published with Moonrock Books Chronicles of False Flag Terror about 13 false flag attacks in Europe and in England.
Really fascinating stuff.
And where Nick and I recently did an interview about the George Floyd event in Minneapolis, where it turns out, Rebecca,
That when they arrested George Floyd, they manacled him, they handcuffed him behind his back, they put him in the police car to drive him to the precinct to be booked and mudshot, but oddly enough, they took him out the other side and put him on the ground, except in the meanwhile he'd lost the hair on his head, now all of a sudden he's bald.
And whereas he was handcuffed behind his back, now he's not handcuffed.
His hands are in front of his body.
And when they lift him to put him on a gurney, he has no legs.
It was a medical torso they took out, Rebecca.
It was a magician's trick.
And it turns out it was an African-American medical torso manufactured by Sigma-7.
Which was a company in Minneapolis that departed the scene as soon as the looting and rioting broke out.
I think they were worried if someone put two and two together they might become a target so they got out at Dodge.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
I mean, all that is so, you know, so key to figuring out how they how they play out so many of these events, right, to just to manipulate us.
That's right.
And when you take a closer look, that's absolutely right.
You can figure out how they do it on all the obvious lies and deception now.
I want to say, Jim, too, I don't know when they cut me off, but I really think it's purposeful because the stream went out just as I started mentioning some key people that have disappeared in this Sandy Hook event.
That's right.
Yeah, and you know what?
That happens all the time when you bring up some crucial information surrounding Sandy Hook like that.
Well, when you point out, when you put out that the head of the fire department is married to Debbie Aurelia, who is a Newtown clerk who entered into secret negotiations with the state legislature to avoid distributing death certificates for her children because she knew it's a violation of the law to issue fake death certificates.
For which he deserves to be scrutinized because nobody died at Sandy Hook.
I'm telling you, this is all outrageous.
Yeah, I don't know how much I was cut off during that last interview.
You never really got on a roll talking about the Halsteads and Debbie Aurelia, and you were going to talk about others like Jean Rosen, whose home is right next door to the fire department.
Who claimed that a bus driver, depending on the telling, dropped off four or five or six kids there, that he invited them in and gave them orange juice and he played with stuffed animals until they started talking.
Think about it, Rebecca, no bus driver is going to drop off children at a home of someone who's not their parent or custodian.
Gene Rosen was not the parent or custodian.
Plus, no buses came out.
That was just a manufactured story to suggest they actually We're often told you can't prove a negative, but that's false.
was no evidence at all.
In fact, if you look at the police report, there are specific locations and times they claim the evacuation was taking place, but we have dash cam footage from several of those locations and times, and there's nothing going on.
We're often told you can't prove a negative, but that's false.
You can prove the negative that there's no elephant in your living room right now by going there and looking for signs of the presence of elephant.
Finding none, you're entitled to infer that's because there's no elephant there.
If you go to the locations and times when evacuation was taking place, according to the police, and you find no evidence of an evacuation taking place, you're entitled to infer that's because there was no evacuation.
Yeah, and a lot of people might not realize, even in Newtown, no less outside of Newtown, that Gene Rosen's house is right behind the Sandy Hook Fire Department.
And I said in my post on my Newtown Rooster blog, you could literally throw a football to someone from his driveway in his house to the Sandy Hook Fire Department.
It is the height of absurdity to think that a school bus driver with six kids, first of all, how did she get down the clogged and blocked driveway of Dickinson Drive to the school?
Why would she drive past the bottom of the driveway where the Sandy Hook Fire Department is and all of these law enforcement and paramedics are waiting to help kids?
She apparently drives by the Sandy Hook Fire Department right next door and decides to drop them off at this random guy's house, Gene Rosen, who is, it's absurd.
He's not a guardian or their parent.
She can't even legally leave them with him and invites them into their house and gives them stuffed animals from his big creepy pile of stuffed animals.
And not only that, He says in interviews that the kids told him, our teacher's been killed, our teacher's been killed and yet there's no record of him making a call to Newtown police to report violence or murder against their teacher, which doesn't make any sense either.
And Gene Rosen, like David Wheeler and Francine Wheeler, have acting credits.
I mean, it's outrageous how many of these participants actually are actors.
And he'd also done gun control promotions for FEMA prior to Sandy Hook.
So this guy was deeply involved, and he's a very mediocre actor.
He's pathetically bad.
Yeah, he also has ties.
He's a former psychologist at the Fairfield Hills Hospital Mental Asylum down the road before it closed in 1995, and he's a former psychologist there.
And, you know, he is on, although YouTube will take down the videos, but you can see him on YouTube practicing his lines with a cameraman named Matt, who has to correct him.
But he's practicing his lines!
Yeah, practicing his lines.
And at one point, he says to the camera, he says, oh, and then they said the teacher, my teacher got shot, my teacher got shot.
And then the cameraman whispers to him, oh, no, you're not supposed to say that.
And then Gene goes like this, oh, I'm sorry, Matt, you're right, right.
And then he goes into his lines again, his script.
It's absurd!
I mean, how much proof do you need for crying out loud?
Several in the chat, by the way, are interested in the history of Newtown with regard to the mental hospital there.
The insane asylum.
Yeah, the Fairfield Hills Hospital or Mental Asylum was opened up in 1939.
It was very controversial because they did these frontal lobotomies.
They brought in doctors from Germany and Yale University.
They did very controversial mental brain surgeries.
And, you know, some people speculate this was tied into the Mind Control MKUltra experiments.
Yale University has very deep ties to Newtown and the hospital Fairfield Hills Mental Asylum.
The Mental Asylum Fairfield Hills was originally 16 buildings spread off something like 180 acres in Newtown.
It's only less than two miles from Sandy Hook Elementary School.
There is a vast tunnel system, underground tunnel system, between the 16 buildings at Fairfield Hills Asylum.
Which closed down in 1995 and Newtown bought it from the state.
But, you know, they allegedly used the tunnels to transport patients and deceased patients to the morgue.
The morgue, interestingly enough, there was a Yale laboratory which was Located right next to our new community center at Fairfield Hills Hospital, which was coincidentally paid for by GE, a $15 million gift from the GE company after and because of the Sandy Hook so-called tragedy.
But the Yale Laboratory there Had a morgue underneath them, which is now adjacent to our brand new swimming pools at the community center, which I said in my post, if you've ever seen the movie Poltergeist, you will immediately remember the line, oh, you move the gravestones, but not the bodies.
Meaning, I would hate to have been the workers who had to dug those swimming pools at our new community center, considering the Yale Laboratory morgue was located there at the old Fairfield Hills Mental Asylum.
I would not take my kids to swim in those pools, you know, but here's the thing, um, Fairfield Hills Hospital also, um, there was a big movie, um, called Sleepers that Sleepers was filmed there by Robert De Niro, which interestingly enough was about a boarding school where young boys were, um, preyed upon and sexually, uh, assaulted, uh, pedophiliatized to this movie, which, uh, you know,
I've said it before in other interviews, I know it's a very sensitive topic and some people don't want to hear it, but unfortunately Newtown has ties to satanic and pedophilia cults in town.
The East Coast Church of Satan is located in Newtown at the top of the hill, Church Hill Road, by our flagpole.
I'm just diving into all of that now, but If you consider the stuff going on in this country and world with the Epstein revelations of all this pedophilia and Satanism going on, Newtown, unfortunately, and Sandy Hook have ties to that element that I think tie into the, not just Fairfield Hills Hospital, but also to the Sandy Hook event and the Sandy Hook Elementary School in town.
The Fairfield Hills Hospital is very interesting and I have to say In terms of Newtown, you know, people don't know the big players and names that come from Newtown.
I don't think many people know that Bruce Jenner graduated from Newtown High School.
Bruce Jenner, of course, who is now known as Caitlyn Jenner, you know, when I went to Newtown High School, I graduated from Newtown High School in 1990, we had Bruce Jenner Stadium.
And he's just one of the big names that lived in Sandy Hook, lived in Newtown.
Newtown is a big powerful hub with a very wealthy, connected, powerful people.
Um, Suzanne Collins, who wrote the hunger games, uh, lives in Sandy Hook.
Uh, and if you think about the hunger games trilogy and what that book was about, boy, that's an eye opener right there.
Um, you've got, I sometimes speculated she might've written the script for Sandy Hook.
Maybe, uh, Some people even speculate that she didn't even really write the Hunger Games and she's just a front because it probably was written by some CIA committee.
I mean, when you talk about predictive programming, predictive programming is not just something you'll see in Hollywood movies.
It's in these novels and children's novels and adult fiction novels as well.
And if you think about the Hunger Games where they were pitting people or communities against each other for survival, just look what's going on with the coronavirus.
We are policing each other.
We were pointing at each other, if you don't have a mask on, and soon they're probably going to start rationing food or keeping people out of grocery stores if you haven't taken their coronavirus vaccine or passed their temperature test or passed their COVID-19 test right now.
This is getting into some very dangerous territory that we're all seeing, and I think it's very tied into the Sandy Hook event.
You know, that was obviously a fear propaganda, control by fear event, as well as a Gun grab, as I said before, and also a tamp down on our First Amendment freedom of speech rights.
But also Stephen Kellogg, the author, is from Sandy Hook.
If you have children, you might know the Magic School Bus series.
The author and illustrator for that series is from Sandy Hook.
Ilya Kazan, the famous director, is from Sandy Hook.
I could go on and on.
This is a very sophisticated Plugged in community that is within, like I said, within commuting distance to New York City.
It's in the same Fairfield County as Greenwich, Connecticut.
If you know anything about Greenwich, Connecticut, Greenwich, Connecticut and Fairfield County, that is the most wealthy, powerful community in the country.
Some people think Los Angeles County is.
No way.
You mean Orange County?
Orange County.
Well, yeah, Orange County, Las Vegas.
Yep.
Orange County in Los Angeles.
Yep.
You know, some have asked, and I don't know if they were not here from the beginning, how you first began to realize that the official story of Sandy Hook was not correct.
Was it after you called out Beto O'Rourke for coming to Newtown to capitalize on Sandy Hook to promote his gun control agenda?
Because you were just on fire, woman.
You were wonderful in going after Beto.
Yeah, well, he deserved it.
But yeah, I had a hint of suspicion because when Jeremy Richman, a parent of alleged victim Avielle Richman of the Sandy Hooks school event, a shooting event, allegedly committed suicide in our Edmonton Hall on Main Street, there was three contradictory reports in the local news about where his body was found.
And I was just researching his suicide and writing a post in my local blog about it, and I thought, that's weird.
And, of course, the Newtown police didn't really answer my questions when I emailed them about the discrepancy.
Then, yeah, so Beto O'Rourke came last Halloween.
So this is just last Halloween, like what, eight, nine months ago.
And I was still of the mindset that the Sandy Hook shooting was indeed a real event that's delivered by the mainstream media and government officials and such.
And he came to give a, he billed it as a town hall meeting.
Of course, only 100 selected people were invited.
And I was outraged that he was exploiting the Sandy Hook tragedy.
I know that you weren't actually officially supposed to be there, Rebecca.
I tried to raise my hand, and they didn't... Your sound went out.
Yeah, go ahead.
Keep going with the story.
Yeah, so I did confront Beto O'Rourke in Newtown when he came last October to appease the local gun groups in town, and he's a big gun grabber, and I called him out, you know.
But here's the thing, and I had believed the official story about Sandy Hook up until that point, but after that video of me confronting Beto O'Rourke went viral on Fox News, hundreds of people reached out to me.
And they, boy, they thought I knew things that I did not know.
They introduced me to terms like false flag, Agenda 21, and I'm like, what?
And I have a pretty,
Critical thinking mind and you know I'm a former journalist and I started looking into some of these things people were telling me and boy did I wake up fast I read your book of course Jim and that's when I that's when I started figuring things out and not only Sandy Hook because at that point you have to ask yourself if Sandy Hook is a lie what else is a lie and that took me down you know to where I am now eight months later of course yeah
Would you be in a position to confirm or deny the hypothesis that the families were brought in for this event?
It was a synthetic creation of a community within Sandy Hook that they were given free homes, for example, many of which showed a transfer for no cost whatsoever on Christmas Eve when no proper real estate transactions ever take place.
Yeah, it's very hard to prove, but I think all of the circumstantial coincidental evidence points to the fact that these people were brought in, these families were brought in, probably about four years prior to the event.
It looks like most of the families and major families involved came to the Sandy Hook community four to one year in advance of this event.
In terms of, there's been speculation, and I know one person behind the scenes Told me she knows that some of them were Massad operatives or CIA or intelligence ties So not just crisis actor families, you know, I think this was very Um, it went deeper than that.
And you know, a lot of these major players in the Sandy Hook event went on to open, like, the Sandy Hook Promise and Moms Demand Action and all these anti-gun groups that, of course, started after the event.
In terms of the questionable Mortgage payoffs.
Some people say that that system that showed the zeroed out mortgages in 2000, I forget the date, was a glitch.
I do, I have personally seen some very questionable mortgage payoffs myself, such as our first selectman having a mortgage paid off.
It says zeroed out and guess who the grantor is listed on Pat Lodra's mortgage payoff just after the Sandy Hook event.
It just says United States as the grantor.
And boy, I think I sent you a screenshot of that a while ago, Jim, and I can send that back to you.
But here's the thing.
I would like to go to the land records office and investigate these suspicious mortgage payoffs, especially surrounding some of the families in this event and local officials.
But guess who's in charge of the land records in Newtown?
Debbie Aurelia Halstead, who was the one who was instrumental in tamping down the freedom of information around these death certificates.
So I feel like if I go to the town hall and try to get the public land records that's within her department, the police would probably show up and they'd conjure up some kind of charge against me, I'm guessing.
And I have not mustered the courage yet to go there.
Maybe I need a bodyguard with me or something.
But that's a very credible question, these suspicious mortgage payoffs and when these families were brought in, you know.
How are members of the community regarding you since you began speaking out?
Yeah, I remember my very first interview with Jim, I was kind of speculating, like, am I going to go to the local grocery store and someone's going to throw vegetables at my head or something?
You know, because, or worse, of course, you know, you worry about things happening to you that are much worse than that, of course.
No one has confronted me.
I don't think they've recognized me or really, if they do recognize me, they haven't confronted me outright.
Is that what you mean?
Good, good, good.
Yeah, for example, yeah.
I know your relations with your husband are strained.
My relations with my wife are strained.
Ours over politics.
She believes everything she hears from Rachel Maddow and MSNBC.
And I know your husband is unenthusiastic about your speaking out.
So, you know, we're in very similar circumstances.
Yeah, it was interesting that you mentioned Wolfgang Halbig had a similar setup too.
And that's the frustration.
I really wish I had more support on the home front.
But unfortunately, yeah, my husband and my family are, you know, they believe what Anderson Cooper, for example, tells them on CNN.
And that's just, that's the way it is.
And they have said, you know, I won't say which family members, but it's been,
said to me that I you know I'm what I'm doing is evil and disgusting and destructive and and I've been likened the same to these people who give the Sandy Hook family's death threats and I'm like wow you know here I am trying to fight the world I almost feel like and I can't even have the support of my very close family and I don't want to of course group my children into that because you know
My children go to public schools, and if your viewers know anything about the indoctrination system at public schools, you know, and I just have to be very careful.
I don't offer my children any information.
If they ask me something, I will tell them the truth, but I have to handle that very delicately.
You know, my children know A lot of the brothers and sisters of these alleged victims or they go to school in the same class with kids who supposedly went to Sandy Hook Elementary School at that time.
And so for me to kind of talk to them about my, you know, the truth about Sandy Hook and stuff, it's very difficult, delicate territory, especially with my children.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
It's very tricky territory.
I mean, You wonder how much children understand about any of these things, or even teenagers for that matter, you know.
I mean, the idea of perpetrating a fraud of this magnitude, I think, is probably beyond the scope of their imagination.
Yeah, and I think it would just scare them.
And I think there's, you know, I hate to say it, but in terms of Sandy Hook, I mean, in terms of my children's reality, what they're facing right now is more like coronavirus-centered, right?
Because I just got a notice from the school system that when they go back to school September 3rd, they have to wear masks all the time.
They're going to be separated by plexiglass from their classmates' school desks.
Oh, God.
They have to stay six feet away from their classmates at all times.
And I said to my kids, and I said, you know, you might as well not even go to school, you know, and do it virtually, because what's the point?
You can't really socialize, talk to your friends anyway.
You know, I wasn't trying to be, you know, discouraging, but I was just trying to point out the absurdity and the overreaction of this coronavirus.
Yeah.
You know, this mask thing is really terrible.
All the serious studies show it's very bad to wear a mask.
You shouldn't wear a mask unless you're actually sick.
And it inhibits the flow of oxygen to your brain, for example, so you're killing brain cells.
It's cutting off oxygen to your heart, so it's going to put a strain on your cardiovascular system.
There was a runner in Wuhan, this is just about a week ago, Who ran two and a half miles with a mask and collapsed.
His lung had actually collapsed.
His heart had moved into the center of his chest.
He was lucky to survive.
So this idea of wearing masks is very bad.
And I have study after study.
I've published some of them on my blog at jamesfetzer.org, including one by Dr. Blalock.
That really doesn't leave any doubt about it.
In fact, we just had a group of physicians.
There had to be at least 15 that I saw, but there might have been as many as 150 who are speaking out to denounce the wearing of masks, to denounce the lockdowns, to denounce that social distancing is all counterproductive, and to endorse hydroxychloroquine, which actually is a miracle drug.
An article published in 2005 In the journal Virology, published by the National Institutes of Health, of which Dr. Anthony Tony the Rat Fauci is a director, endorsed hydroxychloroquine as a wonder drug, that it not only cures it if you've got it, but it's a preventative if you don't have it yet, and it's virtually 100% effective.
And yet all day I was hearing it in NBC.
Or the radio station as I was driving over to do this interview with you saying how there were doctors who were touting the discredited hydroxychloroquine as a cure when it's not discredited at all.
The fact of the matter, it is the wonder drug and those countries where they have had malaria and therefore took a lot of hydroxychloroquine as an anti-malaria drug originally, have had a noticeable absence of coronavirus problems where the actual testing is at fault because the tests they're doing for antibodies would show a positive result if you just had a common cold.
If you just had a cold and developed antibodies, it's going to test you positive for coronavirus.
Where a fellow in Texas and his doctor both agreed there was something fishy here.
They took a set of 10 from the test kits, never applied to anybody, sent them in and they all came back positive. - Thank you.
Yeah, I would be highly suspicious of these tests they're rolling out, not to mention, of course, the inoculations to follow.
But I have to say, when I'm out and about and I see all these workers in grocery stores and such and they have their masks on, I feel like telling them, of course I don't because I don't want a confrontation, but I feel like saying, You know, first of all, that's an OSHA violation because you're breathing in more carbon dioxide than oxygen.
Of course, we know that our brains need oxygenated red blood cells and our circulatory systems need oxygenated blood to work properly and to thrive.
So, at its minimum level, this is an OSHA violation for, of course, the workers that we see everywhere.
But also an incredible health hazard and public health safety hazard to wear these masks everywhere.
I know I saw a story with some woman who had a staph infection by her mouth because you're literally getting that bacteria that you breathe out, that bacteria is getting trapped in the mask.
That's right.
Recycled into your lungs and your system.
Right, and you know, for those masks to be effective, the pores in those masks would have to be a thousand times smaller to even be effective against a virus.
So it's just complete nonsense, and very damaging to our health, and of course just a contrived purpose to further control us.
You know, I just, it's very discouraging.
Just to give you an anecdote, I dropped my daughter off at Scouts the other night and she had an outdoor activity and they still made her wear a mask!
And I'm like thinking, here my daughter has an opportunity to get some fresh air and they're still requiring her to wear a mask outdoors!
The insanity and absurdity of it all.
Rebecca, I've observed since it's killing brain cells, I'm projecting an average drop of five points in the IQ of Americans, and we didn't have all that much to begin with.
Can I tell you something, Jim?
When I heard you say that in another interview, and then you said something so funny, you said, if the United States population was my classroom, they would all be failing.
And I just started laughing because it's so true, you know?
It is, it is, it is.
You know, I mean, a friend of mine said that I now have the world's largest classroom.
I like that idea because, you know, I spent 35 years offering courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning to make my students more effective in sorting things out in real life and thereby succeeding, having a better chance to succeed in accomplishing their goals.
And I would like to do that for everyone I have any dealing with at all.
And there we have Rebecca disappearing once again, but I have no doubt she's going to be back.
The whole business with CV is just a complete absurd.
It's a political pandemic.
Any of you who've been watching know my very first show here.
As Jim the Conspiracy Guy was on the coronavirus, the fakery is overwhelming, but it's become 24-7 nothing but phony bullshit from the mainstream media, just like the Russia hoax.
24-7.
Russia, Russia, Russia.
Now it's coronavirus, coronavirus, coronavirus.
You know, orange man, bad.
Democrats, good.
Well, it's just the opposite, I hate to say.
This guy is doing everything he can to save the nation and the Democrats are doing everything they can to destroy it.
Welcome back, Rebecca.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
It happened again.
I don't know if you heard me.
I was laughing about your comment that if the United States population were your classroom at your university, you'd all give them a failing grade.
I thought that was really funny.
I got a friend who's told me that I couldn't survive in today's academic climate because they sort out individuals who promote critical thinking in favor of a liberal ideology.
And I'm very, very sorry to say that I think he's probably right.
Yeah, you know, can I tell you what one of the course titles in my son's high school English class was?
Sure, sure, sure.
Okay, my son's English class had a course title called, Stand Up, Speak Out, Social Justice Warriors.
No joke.
Yeah, English class.
But, but, but, what did social justice mean in that context?
I know, well of course it's a liberal, that's right.
Was it a course in rioting and looting?
Vandalism?
I don't know, because after his first assignment was this reading assignment riddled with transgenderism and deviant sexuality, I just gave up at that point almost.
Yeah, do your friends calling me.
I'll call you when I'm off the air in a few minutes.
Go ahead, Rebecca.
Go ahead, Rebecca.
We're in the home stretch, so I'd like you to take this last few minutes to just share whatever you think everyone should most understand about Sandy Hook and what it's like to be a Newtown mom who's awakened to the reality that it wasn't what you were told.
Yeah, I'd just like to reiterate that the Sandy Hook event really is still reverberating nowadays in so many areas, and especially with our kids.
You know, I used to get these stupid emails from the school system after the Sandy Hook event that always started out, your children are safe, and then they'd go into whatever message they had.
And you know, now that I know the truth, I keep thinking, my children are not safe.
No one's children are safe.
And you know what?
No one in the United States I feel like is safe because we're all being manipulated and deceived.
And if you take it beyond Sandy Hook, just look at all of the everything that's going around us with the coronavirus.
And I have to say, We always talk about waking people up, right?
I wish the masses would wake up to this deception and manipulation.
Well, I think right now it's at their doorstep.
People cannot deny that these manipulation lies are at their doorstep.
It's over their face.
They have to wear these masks now.
There's no more avoiding it.
There's no more avoiding the uncomfortableness of confronting the truth of what's going on.
And I hope that more people will realize what's going on, especially now that we're being manipulated so much with these, this pandemic, you know, or, you know, alleged pandemic stuff.
So, in terms of being right here in the Sandy Hook community right here in Newtown, I have to say, Jim, I'm trying to be... I've had people warn me to be very careful because these people are capable of a lot of evil, considering what they've already done, you know, in terms of deceit.
So, I'm trying to be very smart about what I do.
I think by keeping myself public and doing a lot of interviews and keeping myself in the spotlight a little bit might be giving me some protection, I hope.
But, yeah.
Thanks for having me on.
Oh, well, of course.
You're a fabulous person and a terrific human being and you're very robust and just chock full of intelligence and integrity, which is the combination we most need in this world today, Rebecca.
I hope you're able to find some competent legal representation.
That was my problem with my lawsuit.
No one would represent me because I was in the unpopular position of being a skeptic about Sandy Hook, which everyone I think you're in a similar situation, especially being right there in Newtown and speaking out.
Yeah, you know, Sandy Hook seems to be a particularly sensitive and delicate topic that they want to protect.
And when I say they, I mean the government and beyond, and media, whoever created and controlled this lie and deceit.
This is particularly, they are, no one wants to touch it.
As you found out, you couldn't find any lawyers.
No one wants to touch Sandy Hook.
And that's true for even discussing it.
I mean, if you try and even bring up the topic, or even ask them a question like, have you seen this information around Sandy Hook?
As soon as you mention the phrase Sandy Hook, people shut down.
Because, of course, I think that goes back to why they use little children, you know, because it makes it so much harder to To counter the official story, of course, yeah.
Well, fabulous having you here.
And again, I reiterate, I want you to succeed in these legal machinations, but it turns out the law is an instrument that evil people use to harm those of us who seek to bring the truth to light for the benefit of the public.
It's a very strange situation where I always believed You know, that the United States really did stand for justice for all, equal justice under the law.
But it turns out the situation is overwhelmingly more complicated and has a much deeper, darker side to it.
And that you and I and James Tracy and Wolfgang Helbig and even Alex Jones have been, you know, punished, punished for our efforts to bring out the truth about a matter of enormous significance to the American people.
Yeah, just being caught up in the local court system here.
I feel like David versus Goliath situation.
And even my public defender, I figured out early on, was not working to my best interest.
So it's a very tough mountain to get over.
Yeah.
I hope you have some prospects to find some legal representation, Rebecca.
Please do go back and Bang on some of the doors and call some of the numbers you and I have talked about in the past.
You need someone to represent you in this matter because they can be grossly abusive and use the law to punish good people like you.
Yeah, as I'm finding out quickly.
Yeah, that's right.
I will, Jim.
Thank you.
I can't thank you enough for being here.
I want to thank everyone in the chat room.
You've been very, very good.
I'm starting to get the hang of it.
I think I'll be able to manage these interviews and interact with the chat room far more successfully in the future as I have tonight.
And with wonderful guests like Rebecca Carnes, I think this is going to be a great success.
Let me mention on Thursday, I have a very experienced trial attorney, Alexander Patale, with more than 50 trial victories under his belt, who's going to be talking about my appeal of the Sandy Hook lawsuit.
Rebecca, I think you'd find that of great interest, too.
And anyone who actually wants to read the appeal, it's published on my blog at jamesfetzer.org.
Check out, too.
Check out, too, the Question Everything conference where Rebecca will be speaking.
And let me add, you don't actually have to go to Austin to participate because it's going to be broadcast live stream.
So you can check it out.
Go on to my blog and find update for Question Everything 2020 and check it out.
I can't thank you enough, Rebecca.
It's absolutely wonderful.
And I wish you well on every front.
I look forward to our next conversation.
Thanks, Jim.
Thanks for having me.
I always love our discussions.
And that's right.
Best of luck getting through the courts with you, too, of course.
Right.
Thank you.
You got it, my friend.
This is Jim Fetzer thanking you all for being here for The Fetz Presents with Rebecca Karns, a Newtown mother, speaking out about Sandy Hook.
Thank you all for joining us tonight.
Bye now.
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