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July 18, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
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The Real Deal (14 July 2020) with Rebecca Carnes
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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, where it's my great pleasure to have again my featured guest, Rebecca Carnes from Newtown, who's a mother who has spoken out about Sandy Hook, and in my opinion with devastating effect, because she knows the community, she knows the people, she knows the participants,
Rebecca, I thought this most recent blog of yours, which everyone can find at jamesfetzer.org, was simply sensational.
I can't tell you how much I appreciated your putting that together, because I think it may even be the most important article ever published about Sandy Hook.
Well, thank you, Jim.
That's a huge compliment.
That means a lot.
And, you know, these confounding, cascading numbers of coincidences that are piling up around Sandy Hook are...
They're mind-boggling, especially around the Sandy Hook Fire Department.
So I wanted to use the Sandy Hook Fire Department because they're positioned at the bottom of the driveway from Sandy Hook Elementary School.
I wanted to use them as a starting point to this web of inter-family connections that is really mob-like.
It really is like a crime family.
Oh, I think you exposed that brilliantly, and I had no idea How tightly related were all the key parties?
I mean, the fire chief and the woman who's the custodian of the documents and death certificates for Newtown.
I mean, that's an awfully tight connection.
And when you expand to include all the others, it really is a very tight group.
And I found that just illuminating beyond belief.
Right, and I think they purposefully keep these things tight within families and tight within different departments and organizations in town, like a big crime family.
Because, like in The Godfather, like they say, you don't go against the family and you don't tell, you know, that's how they silence you and keep you in line and indoctrinate you into these crimes.
And these are crimes against Not just our country, they're crimes against humanity and especially against the innocent, little children.
Have you done any research on the politics of the individuals involved here?
Because it has seemed to me... It has seemed to me, you know, you could have, in part, motivation by a group of Do-gooders who believe in gun control, who wanted to show what could happen under certain circumstances to bring the message to the American people.
I mean, this, I believe, began in the mind of Eric Holder, then the Attorney General, who spoke to a Democratic, a National Democratic Women's Convention in Washington, D.C.
in 1995.
About the necessity to brainwash the American people to change their attitude toward guns.
Frankly, there is nothing wrong with the American attitude toward guns.
We have the Second Amendment.
The founding fathers knew what they were doing.
They knew that to be free, you must be able to defend yourself against tyrants.
Anyone who thinks, you know, an AR-15 is to shoot rabbits doesn't understand.
I mean, it's for the purpose of self-defense if necessity demands.
Without guns, we cannot live a free life.
I mean, it's just stunning to me.
I believe this all originated with Barack Obama, Eric Holder, even Joe Biden was involved in this, but that for some reason Sandy Hook turned out to be an especially fertile area to pull this off.
Have you given any thought to this aspect of the situation?
Yeah, well, I mean, if you look at Sandy Hook and the United States from a worldview in terms of New World Order and what the UN wants to release on us in terms of control, United States, that's right.
We're one of the strong holdouts in terms of countries across the world that want to hold on to our right to bear arms.
We're very stubborn about that, and good thing we are, because they're hitting us hard with this gun control issues, which is really gun confiscation, you know, at its core.
And Sandy Hook was very integral to that, because they used little kids as a device to deliver us this terror event against the American people and against my hometown of Newtown, and they used little children to carry it out.
And, you know, in terms of the horrific evil that these people are capable of, that hit me the hardest as a mother and as a parent of two children living in Newtown, where I grew up and that still goes to the Newtown Public Schools, my two children.
You know, if they're gonna attack our young and our innocent and use them to carry out these evil, manipulative lies and terror attacks against the public, that's... Boy, they've called down the thunder.
And that's me and all of us that are fighting for the truth here.
All of us, Jim, like yourself.
And they've called down the thunder, and here it is.
Because it's time to face the truth.
And it's coming.
It's coming.
They should be scared.
Well, I have no doubt that they employed social psychologists and psychiatrists to try to create a scenario that would have maximal emotional impact, so that the purported shooting of 21st graders, then whom, who could be more innocent, unless we're talking about a newborn babe who wouldn't be available as a target, to try to create
An overwhelming emotional impact that would really preclude the exercise of reason and rationality and analyzing what was going on, which was so bizarre in so many different ways right from the beginning.
That's right.
And they purposefully used six-year-old children, first graders, in this black-op operation against the American public because they knew it would be that much harder for adults to question the truth about it.
Because then you'd have to look in a parent's face and say, I don't believe this.
I believe you were part of this lie, you know?
And hopefully the whole thing, you know, all aspects are A lie, because I know they like to mix up truth with falsities, and I hope no children were really hurt in this, you know?
But when you look at the pizza gate and the pedophilia and things that are going on through this country and this world right now, boy, it's really scary to think that not only maybe did they use kids in this lie, but maybe they sacrificed a few too.
And no joke, Jim, no joke, you know, to pull this off.
Well, I'm convinced that none of the children or adults that were the alleged victims of Adam Lanza, who even appears to be himself a creature of fiction, actually died on the 14th of December 2012.
The collateral damage, however, it does appear a number of investigators and even participants in pulling off this enormous hoax Have subsequently met an ill-timed fate that I believe was intended to silence them when they got tired of the masquerade and believed the public was entitled to know the truth.
And that includes, you know, a good number.
In the second edition of the book, nobody died at Sandy Hook.
We have an essay by Tony Meade where he's talking about the unusual deaths that have been related here.
And it's a fair number of prominent players.
I don't know if you've ever reviewed that evidence or that aspect of it, Rebecca, but it's profoundly troubling.
I have seen the long and growing list of people that speak, try and speak out the truth or blow the whistle against these false flags, and not just Sandy Hook, but with other things as well, and what happens to them, these untimely deaths or these suspicious suicides or, you know, all kinds of horrible things that they will unleash on people that
Um, have a crisis of conscience and maybe know part of the truth or the whole truth or aren't going to bow down to their threats, um, and their, um, fake, uh, secrecy agreements that should be broken if you have an honorable character and want to do the right thing.
Uh, I think they do.
They do.
They, um, have horrible consequences for these people, but that's, that's okay.
I mean, meaning like, Even if you're one of those people, you know, that are thinking about blowing the whistle, you should do it, no matter what the consequence, because it's the right thing to do, and it's the right thing for the future of this country.
If you have children, it's the right thing for their future of this world.
Um, this, this evil has to stop and it takes brave people to stand up and, and call down the thunder on these, uh, evil manipulators.
You know, really, they are evil.
You know, they really are.
And people should, if people are involved and they took bribes or they were threatened, come forward.
You know, call me, call you, Jim, but, um, we will deliver your story and you will be forgiven.
You will be forgiven.
But you need to, you need to lay this out and let these, um, If not for anything else, for the innocent in this world.
For the children.
And think about it, Jim.
Children were told to lie in the Sandy Hook case.
By people they trusted.
Maybe even their own parents.
And talk about crimes against the young and the innocent.
That is horrific to me.
Horrific to me.
Oh, it's absolutely true.
I remember we had one child who was supposed to have been a classmate on the Dr. Oz Show, and when they started talking about it, the word drill just popped out that they were having a drill.
And of course, they didn't pursue it.
They were embarrassed that here this young child was expressing the truth, which he knew to be the case.
And obviously, they couldn't dwell on it, but changed the subject as promptly as possible.
Oh, I saw that interview.
That poor child, that poor little boy, you know, he was really being pressured, and he knew what they were asking him to do was wrong.
Because children are very good-natured and truthful at heart, just instinctually and naturally, like all humans are.
You know, before we get corrupted in different ways.
But little children especially, you know, and that poor little boy who broke down, and they kind of coaxed him into saying what they wanted him to say, but it came out anyway.
He said it was a drill, you know, good for that kid.
But think of the terror he was under, the mental terror at that point, being on the show, his mom is next.
You know, and all these hypocrites, all these hypocrites in this country talk about, oh, mental health and we need to have our children and be trauma ready and all this bullcrap, while they're literally mentally torturing and manipulating young children.
Boy, terrible.
Talk about terrible evil.
Yeah, and I understand that when they conduct these live shooter drills in schools, unannounced, that it actually has a traumatizing effect on the children that endures.
I mean, it can affect them for the rest of their lives just to be a participant, unwitting, not knowing, but being subjected to one of these drills, many of which are very realistic in their character.
Can have long-term negative emotional and psychological effects.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, if you think about the duck and cover drills that were around during World War II, I believe, Jim, this is amped up to the hundredth level beyond what duck and cover used to be.
I mean, they have armed SWAT guys running through schools, running through the hallway, armed.
Screaming out commands at kids that they have to follow these live active shooter drills.
You know, the Sandy Hope Promise did a horrible, Sandy Hope Promise being one of the anti-gun groups in Newtown, did a horrible video, their last video, just propagandizing fear.
And they want to keep, they want to keep parents in perpetual fear.
They want to keep kids in perpetual fear.
They want to keep everyone in the country in perpetual fear, just like with this corona, fake corona charade, coronavirus charade, because then we're easier to control.
And we willingly give up our rights to the quote-unquote authorities and give away our rights because we think that they're going to protect us.
But protect us from what?
It's a lie.
All of these school shootings and this, you know, control by fear, contrived pandemics and such, it's a lie.
It's a lie.
And so we're giving up our rights for a lie because 85% of the country can't open their friggin' eyes and see the truth.
It's very frustrating, Jim, as I'm sure you know and your listeners know, to try and wake people up to what's going on right in front of their faces, you know?
You mentioned anti-gun groups and so forth.
I'm interested in the politics of Newtown.
I suppose it's overwhelmingly Democrat, liberal, even progressive.
And that gun control is a very popular position, even gun confiscation.
Would I be correct?
That's right, Jim.
This was heavily pushed.
These anti-gun groups, although the powers that be will say they were organic, right?
Oh, right after the Sandy Hook event, all of these anti-gun groups in town, which really are truly anti-gun groups.
I mean, they profess to be these social justice peace warriors, right?
But they're really just to confiscate guns in this country.
And a half a dozen of them Spawned off this Sandy Hook event and they're right in Newtown.
They're heavily funded by Bloomberg and all of his Moms Demand Action and his follow-up group.
He just changed the name.
And they're very well, extremely well funded.
They're extremely well mobilized.
They go to the legislators all across Connecticut and in Washington D.C.
and they're extremely effective.
getting what they want from these legislators.
A lot of these legislators are controlled anyway.
So what you've got here, and you know, Sandy Hook, Newtown, seems to be kind of like the control center of this anti-gun legislation in this country, and they're heavily funded by people like Michael Bloomberg.
And I'm wondering why he pulled out of his presidential race.
I wonder if there's more to be exposed on him with that.
But heavily funded, heavily organized groups, Jim.
Did Bloomberg have much of a presence in Newtown prior to Sandy Hook?
He He, no, but I mean, not that I'm aware of, although, you know, to remind viewers, Jim, I've only been awake on all of this about eight months, but I do know that he heavily funded the Sandy, I think it was Moms Against Act Demand Action in Newtown.
There was the nurse Sally Cox, Um, who was present that morning at Sandy Hook Elementary School and hid in a closet apparently until after 1pm when four SWAT teams made a sweep of the office but never found Barbara Halstead and Sally Cotts hiding in the closet.
Wow, there's the state of our SWAT teams.
In the United States, if we're going to believe the official story, which we don't.
But my point with Sally Cox is that she has a son that works for Bloomberg.
And I'm going to get into more of those connections in future blog posts I do for you, Jim.
But as you know, the connections that web out from the Sandy Hook lie and all of those coincidences, right?
are not really coincidences, obviously.
And Bloomberg does have links to Newtown with this anti-gun legislation and even links, Bloomberg, Michael Bloomberg has to this Sandy Hook himself.
this Sandy Hook himself.
If he's got someone that works directly under him for him, and he's the son of the nurse who was hiding in the closet that morning at Sandy Hook, you know, and there's more investigative work to be done here.
If he's got someone that works directly under him for him, and he's the son of the nurse who was hiding in the closet that morning at Sandy Hook, you know, and there's more investigative work to be done here.
I know so many Sandy Hook investigators have researched and illuminated so much of the truth here, Jim, especially through your book, No One Died at Sandy Hook.
Very commendable work.
I hope to maybe dig up some more connections and illuminate some more truth and facts of the Sandy Hook case, Jim, because, you know, living here, growing up in Newtown, Unfortunately, I know some of the people involved in this lie, and talk about disheartening, you know?
To know some of the people that have to know the truth about what happened in Newtown, that I actually went to school with, or went to church with, and saw these people, or my kids played with these people's kids that were involved.
It's sickening to me.
And I want them to know right now the truth is going to come out.
This is your opportunity to come forward, tell the truth right now before it's too late.
You will be forgiven now.
If you wait any longer and scurry under a rock to hide in the dark, you will not be forgiven.
Well, I think your blog really was fascinating to show.
How tightly knit were these individuals who were the key players in the entire event?
And I'll be fascinated, too, as you expand the web to include more and more segments of the community.
I think you're shedding a great deal of light on all of this, Rebecca.
I mean, at a very deep level.
Yeah, that's right.
And as far as it goes on a deep level in terms of the dark connections, the crime family-like, mafia, mob-like connections in Newtown to pull this off, it really goes up to a higher level, Jim.
I mean, the tentacles coming off this Sandy Hook hoax goes all the way to the highest levels of government and maybe even this New World Order, the people pushing this.
They've got a lot to cover up.
There's a lot of evil going on.
You know, you just did a video cast about this this Pizzagate recently and the pedophilia going on in this country.
And talk about, you know, no one wants to talk about this stuff, Jim, because it's so horrific.
It is mind-splitting, especially as a parent.
But we need to do this.
We need to do this.
Yeah.
Now, Rebecca, were you as a member of the community of Newtown aware that the Church of Satan had its East Coast headquarters in your community?
I became aware of that About a month or two after my awakening, right after I confronted then-presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke for coming to Newtown to exploit the tragedy, which I believe the narrative.
This was last Halloween.
He came to do a campaign stop and get some bucks from the anti-gun groups and push his gun-grabbing agenda with the anti-gun Newtown groups giving him a big prop up in Sandy Hook.
And I, you know, I confronted him, and that went a little viral, and people reached out to me, and they thought I knew things that I did not know, I did not understand, and they told me, you know, about false flags.
Believe it or not, Jim, it's embarrassing.
I'm like, false flag?
What is that?
No joke.
And, you know, this Agenda 21, and not only that, but yes, you're right, Jim.
There is, reportedly, the Church of Satan has its east coast headquarters in Newtown.
It's apparently, it's got its own P.O.
box.
Its leader's name is listed as, although I don't know if this is a real person, Curtis LeBlanc is the contact name.
It is located on West Street, apparently directly behind the Congregational Church, although there's no building behind the Congregational Church.
In Newtown, the Congregational Church, Jim, you'll be interested to learn, is directly adjacent to the flagpole in the middle, which is the iconic image of Newtown with a big flagpole on Main Street, Jim.
Well, the old Congregational Church Meeting House is right there, the new one is right behind it, and the Church of St.
is supposed to be right behind the new Congregational Church in Newtown, although there's no building there, Jim.
It's behind the Congregational Church, although there's just a vast expanse of woods.
And boy, you know, when I found that out, Jim, if my mind hadn't fully split over this Sandy Hook lie realization, boy did it split then, because I grew up in this town, my family grew up in this town, my mother grew up in Newtown, my children are growing up here, and to know this kind of hive of snakes and evil
Of Satanism and pedophilia and exploiting kids on the highest level of disgust and evil that you can imagine is infested in my hometown of Newtown and especially Sandy Hook disgusts me and it should disgust every human being on this planet if you are a true human being that hasn't been corrupted And when I say corrupted, Jim, I mean sold their souls.
Because if you're going to cover up for this lie, which is Sandy Hook, or you went along with it, or any part of it, you have sold your soul.
And boy, are you going to pay the price.
Your mind, body, and especially your spirit is going to pay the price, and so will all of your children and everyone inheriting this earth.
It's a very scary thing to have learned, Jim.
I hope that, I mean, I think that, unfortunately, it's a horrible, evil element in this world, in this country.
And we see it bearing its ugly head in this Pizzagate scandal that happened fairly recently.
And, unfortunately, it's bearing its evil head in Newtown's Sandy Hook with definite, I think, definite ties to the Sandy Hook lie as well.
Let me ask about Sandy Hook as a division of Newtown.
Did it have distinctive properties in any way?
I mean, as a resident there prior to the event, what was the status of Sandy Hook?
Was it more exclusive?
Less exclusive?
Isolated?
More conservative?
Less conservative?
Whatever.
How would you have characterized the way in which Sandy Hook stood in terms of the rest of the Newtown community?
Well, people have to understand, first of all, Newtown is a big town in Fairfield County.
It is 60 square miles, and it is a big town.
Fairfield County is, of course, the most richest county in the country.
It incorporates Greenwich, Connecticut, as well, and it is richer than even the LA area, the Los Angeles area.
Even than Westchester County?
Oh yes, Fairfield County is by far the wealthiest.
I mean, I researched that a year or two ago, but things might have changed.
Someone can correct me on that if I'm wrong.
But Fairfield County, which incorporates Newtown as well as places like Greenwich, Connecticut, where a lot of high-profile entertainers, bankers, You name it, you name it, live in Fairfield County, Connecticut.
Then if you go even smaller and look at Sandy Hook, when I was growing up, Jim, Sandy Hook to me was just a little place you drove down the hill to the other post office in town.
There was a little post office in the center of Sandy Hook that my father used to take me to.
It had its own zip code, 06482, and that post office is now gone.
But-- You froze up there.
The Flea Hook actually was the only-- Sandy Hook was the only borough to have its own zip code, I think, originally, and now there's two other boroughs.
But a lot of people think Sandy Hook is just a one-square-mile little village you could walk across.
That is not true.
Sandy Hook is actually a pretty big section of Newtown.
There's a podcast with Sandy Hook Fire Chief William Bill Halstead saying that Sandy Hook actually is so big they had to Two working fire stations there.
There's one elementary school on Dickinson Drive and there's another one on Riverside Road.
The original Sandy Hook fire station was on Glen Road and it was later moved to the bottom of Sandy Hook Elementary School.
I have to check on the year on that but I think it was the 1970s.
Now, why would a little village That has its own P.O.
box, have two fire stations in all of Newtown.
The only section of Newtown to have two fire stations.
Sandy Hook is actually pretty big.
So, there's this misconception out there that it's just a little one-mile square village where a bunch of CIA people live.
Now, I'm not saying that there isn't a huge element of CIA and Mossad operatives in Sandy Hook.
I actually now believe there really are.
And I think a lot of these trained people and government-involved people come from MIT and even Yale University, Jim.
So I hope that gives a little perspective on Sandy Hook.
Well, it does, yeah.
It contributes in relation to the size.
And it's evident that the school actually was closed by 2008.
And it's back on Dickinson Drive, of course.
That's the only access in or out, just past the firehouse, about a third of the mile down the road.
Yeah, but you have to understand, Jim, I'm sorry to interrupt, that Dickinson Drive is not, it's just a driveway up to the school.
I mean, they name it like a road, but it is literally just like a 500-yard or something, I don't know the exact yardage or mileage, but it's literally like a 20-second drive up the driveway at Dickinson Drive, but it's really a driveway up to the school from the fire station.
Sorry, Jim, go ahead.
No, no, no, 500 yards is a good estimate.
Yeah.
5,280 feet and a mile, you know.
500 yards is 1,500.
It's roughly a third of a mile, which was my estimate from having been there.
But I'm just wondering, it's very clear that the school had, district had too many schools and a shrinking student population.
And that they had closed the school by 2008.
And I'm just wondering, was that common knowledge or not?
You know, we had, initially after the event, there were neighbors who said they were surprised there were any students there at all because the school had been abandoned.
And I have independent confirmation that that was the case, including from a fellow who was visiting friends in Monroe in 2010.
And unbeknownst to him, they traveled over to the elementary school to pick up a couple of student desks on the cheap for his children to use at home.
And when they went through the school, it was in dilapidated condition.
The caretaker said, yeah, it had been condemned.
And this was already, you know, this was in 2010.
It was just an independent source of someone who happened to be there.
They've tried to pretend that it was still open, but it's obvious that it was not.
But the question has arisen, wouldn't everyone know?
And I do believe all the local residents did know, but that after, you know, Lieutenant Paul Vance for the Connecticut State Police, Threatened to prosecute anyone who offered an opinion.
Contrary, the official narrative would be prosecuted.
I mean, that's so absurd and undemocratic and illegal.
It's so preposterous, Rebecca.
But it does look as though they were able to silence an awful lot of the neighbors who one would have thought would have been great Commentators about the absurdity of the situation if the mainstream media haven't been there simply to prop it up?
Well, that's right.
Absurdity is a perfect word for it, because with all those supposed parents coming in and out to get their kids, and no cell phone pictures of what was going on there, of 500 plus kids and teachers evacuating the school, all we have is that one photo of supposedly kids in a line from Shannon Hicks, who's from the Newtown Beat, but also a Newtown firefighter.
And that's right, Jim.
You know, there's theories about Sandy Hook School in our town.
I mean, I always remembered the sign at the end of the road passing as a child because my parents would take me to Treadwell Park, which was just a little past Dickinson Drive, up there on the right.
Besides that, Jim, none of my soccer games as a kid were ever there.
I never took my kids there for any of the many sports games in town.
I've never, believe it or not, and Newtown is a big place.
People forget it's 60 square miles.
I have never been up to Sandy Hook School.
I have never been up that long, long driveway to Sandy Hook School, which is surrounded by miles of empty woods, okay?
Although you have the local Masonic Lodge right there, and you have a A side road, that creepy side road called Crestwood Drive that goes right behind the playground at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
But you know, there...
I think it was, and this is disconcerting, but I think it was actually used as a preschool, even though it was so dilapidated.
And I mean, you can see from the pictures that were in the police report and that Sandy Hook researchers helped bring to light, there was mold all over some of the baseboards in the school.
There was old photos of old drawings from kids who were older at the time of the Sandy Hook event hanging on the wall of Sandy Hook School that No one in town or in the media or authorities are pointing out, hey, why is this award-winning little drawing from this girl who's now, you know, in middle school hanging on the pictures of the Sandy Hook School at the time of the shooting?
I mean, you know, this picture, this drawing, which is photographed as crime evidence, is of a student who should have been at Sandy Hook School years ago, and now she's older and going to middle school.
I mean, why aren't people pointing this stuff out?
And I have to say, when I think of... And of course they're there, hanging on the walls over it, because that was the last group of students at the school before it was closed.
Well, I think that's right, Jim, but I think they tried to muddle the picture for local community members, the reality.
I think they did allow the preschool to have some classes there.
I think they did allow, I heard, wrestling matches to be held or practice.
I'm sorry, wrestling practice from the Newtown Wrestling Club was held at Sand Hook School, according to one mother who called me a few months ago after one of my published blog pieces.
She wanted to assure me that she knew One of the students involved in the shooting and she and her son had gone to wrestling practice at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
So I've got people in town telling me, and of course they could be lying, Jim, but my suspicion is that they kind of muddied the waters and let a few activities with children happen at the Sandy Hook Elementary School leading up to this event so that people were unsure whether it was open or not.
But if you look at those crime scene photos, Jim, the mold And the dilapidated quality of this building on the old... And you know what, Jim?
We have to look into this whole, and people have looked into the security system, but a year or two before the Santee Hook event, there was the local school board voted on a new security system to be installed at Santee Hook Elementary School.
Well, where was it?
There's no video surveillance camera on the outside of the school.
If you look at some of the photos from that day, who took it down?
Before this alleged shooting?
Where's the footage?
Why was this expensive surveillance system that was supposedly installed in Sandy Hook Elementary School that Newtown taxpayers like myself had installed because of shootings like Columbine in Colorado to keep our kids safe?
Well, where was it that day?
Why did someone take it down?
Why was it taken down?
We should have had footage of all of Adam Lanza supposedly going into school shooting.
We should have had pictures.
And this is another thing, Jim.
We should have had video surveillance footage from a security camera on the front of that main entrance showing Chris Manfredonia, who reportedly, according to the Connecticut State Police report, arrived at the same time, allegedly, as Adam Lanza.
He was, according to the report, buzzed into the Sandy Hook Elementary School.
This is Chris Manfredonia, who said he was visiting his first grade student in Kristen Rowe's class for a gingerbread making activity.
And, oh, big coincidence, Jim!
You know where Chris Lanza, or Christopher Manfredonia, lives?
Oh, right behind Adam Lanza on Yoganan History, right on the street directly behind.
There's a 600 yards of woods between the two homes.
Oh, well, did he pass Adam Lanza on the house?
Did they wave to each other as they drove up the driveway?
And if Chris Manfordoni, according to the Connecticut State Police Report, was buzzed into Sandy Hook Elementary School at 9.30 a.m.
as they say, when Adam Lansing was supposedly shooting out the side glass of the mansion's doors and began shooting the principal and such, What was Chris Manfredonia doing in the school at the time of the shooting?
Where's his statement?
According to the media, according to the LA Times and all the press reports that the American public received, Chris Manfredonia ran around the side of the school, of the Sandy Hook Elementary School, trying to get to his daughter in Kaitlyn Rowan's class.
Well, first of all, Caitlin Rowey's class is the first classroom to the left within the main entrance of the school, so he would not have run around the outside of the school to try to get to his daughter if we were to believe the official press-delivered story, okay?
If he was in the school, At 9 30 a.m.
because someone buzzed him in.
Why didn't he go to his daughter's room to save him?
Why didn't he jump on Adam Lanza and stop Adam Lanza from shooting Don Hossprung and the other little children, supposedly, in these rooms?
Because it's a load of bullshit!
Because they're lying To the Newtown community, of course.
They're lying to this country, and they're lying to the good Americans of this country and good people of this world.
It is criminal.
They are criminal liars.
And they're gonna face the music, and they're gonna face the light, the illuminating light, on what is truth.
And boy, are they gonna pay the price if they don't come forward soon and blow the whistle on this.
The Obama administration, of course, has done everything it can to promote the official narrative and to suppress criticism.
And, you know, certain parties who have been involved have been very active in taking legal action against those of us who have sought to expose what really happened there.
It's really a fascinating situation.
To have a large segment of a community participating in an elaborate hoax on the rest of America.
I mean, that's really something.
Yeah, what are all these people telling themselves?
Oh yeah, we're gonna get our kids to lie, and we're gonna lie, and we're gonna try and lie to everyone else, good people that believe the reality that's presented to them from the press and the government and officials and authorities.
Why?
Why?
Because you're gonna deliver this new world order of rule through through fear controlled by fear tactics where we have no rights and we just walk around zombified with these masks that suffocate us and look like muzzles because they don't want us talking to each other and conferring with each other about all the lies that are obviously going on right in front of our faces and you know 85% of the public out there just believes it you know and and And what are these people?
These people who are involved in the Sandy Hook line must know that they're helping out these higher malevolent powers that are moving the puppet strings at the highest levels in our country and even this world.
And why did they sell their souls?
And why are they selling out their kids' future in this country?
Why are they doing it?
What are they getting?
What, their mortgage paid off?
So what if you got your mortgage paid off?
You sold your soul.
You ruined this country and this world.
You know, they've got, you know, everyone involved in the Sandy Hook lie or who is covering up for this lie has two feet in hell already.
I'm not kidding you, Jim.
Two feet in hell already.
And if they want to pull themselves out of that hole to hell right now, they better do it fast because, you know, they call down the thunder.
I hate to say it again, Jim, but it's coming.
It's coming.
They asked for it, and it's here.
Rebecca, my surmise would be that most of the residents of Newtown realize there's a problem with a Sandy Hook story.
They don't want to confront it, and therefore, they're going to avoid to the maximum extent possible even talking about it.
So I imagine it's pretty uncommon for members of the Newtown community to actually talk about what happened at Sandy Hook.
That's right, and I just want to say, Jim, it's very selfish and cowardly of these people who know the truth or part of the truth to not come forward and tell what they know.
And you know what, Jim, it is.
It's like an unsaid gag order in town.
I mean, it's not like printed out or said directly, but really there's a gag order on people in Newtown and Sandy Hook to just whisper about it.
And if you And they sanitize it, Jim.
So if you talk about it, if you hear any of the local officials, because I've been to a lot of board meetings with the superintendents and stuff, they always say, oh, you know, because of 1214.
And that's because they're sanitizing it.
They just called a Sandy Hook terror.
They call it 1214, probably because of their guilty conscience and probably because they just want to sanitize it in their own minds of the evil they perpetrated on good Newfoundlanders and good American people.
And how do they use it?
How do they use 1214 in discussions or debates?
I mean, what's the role it plays?
How is it offered as evidence to promote a position, a policy, a decision, an expenditure of funds?
That's right.
I mean, the meetings I've been to, there was a big hub-a-lub about closing another elementary school in town after the Sandy Hook event.
They wanted to close down Hawley School in town on Churchill Road and they would always sanitize the event so as not to It's kind of like that liberal thing where no clapping because it triggers people, you just do the wave or some such nonsense, you know?
But really in town, you know, it also comes up, Jim, I have to say a lot, the 12-14, they'll use it a lot to get federal funding and state funding for all of these mental health directives and organizations and nonsense they push on our youngsters.
The public schools, which are really indoctrination camps, you know?
And they use the 1214 narrative that the supposedly Sandy Hook tragedy supposedly that happened in Newtown to get money, more money, for mental health organizations and directives.
Um, you know, and obviously these groups in town like Sandy Hook Promise and all these anti-gun groups use this Sandy Hook and exploit this terror to get donations for their anti-gun initiatives in town.
So it's really insidious, Jim, it really is.
Yeah, it's obviously had a profound impact.
Even if they don't want to discuss it overtly, everyone's aware of it.
Nobody wants to talk about it, but they will use it intermittently for the sake of a special purpose of one sort or another.
That's right, Jim.
And I have to say, a lot of people in town perpetuate the lie.
Even if they were just somewhat involved on the tertiary, you know, they'll... I worked with a woman in Newtown and it turned out her daughter was supposedly in another first grade class and survived.
And she was actually interviewed by Cuomo in one of these news reports in her home.
I won't say her name, but...
It was a big interview, and it was around Christmas time, and they had the Christmas tree in the back, and she propped up her daughter and had her lie to Cuomo on the news.
And, um, on CNN, I guess it was.
And, you know, I talked to her on a train ride to New York City one, during one work day about the Sandy Hook tragedy, when we figured out that our kids were just about the same age.
My kids were second graders at the time of Sandy Hook.
But, um, and she would say to me, again, Jim, the whispering.
She would go, she would whisper.
I almost think it's like their guilty conscience, or they don't want to say Someone overhear their lies, you know?
Like, oh yes, my daughter was a first grader, and kind of like daring you, like, I'm so triggered and upset about it, don't you dare ask me anything else about it.
Even though here I am, another mom in town, and a colleague of hers who had kids about the same age, literally whispering to me, and kind of being like, back off lady, I'm not going to talk about it, you know?
And I didn't know she had been Interviewed by Cuomo from CNN at the time of my conversation with her on the train But looking back on that now that I know the truth Jim I'm like wow You know these people part of what they part of their job or part of their paycheck or their reward Jim is to perpetuate The lie, you know just by putting it out there again at a local level.
Oh, yeah I knew someone or oh, I knew someone who had a kid at the school and all this kind of nonsense, you know Yeah, it's trickery.
That's what it is.
Yeah You mentioned Christmas in passing.
One of the blatant tells when you realize it, that this could not have been a functioning school.
It was a Kindergarten through fourth grade school.
This is a 14th of December.
You got Christmas and Hanukkah right around the corner.
It should have been just a blaze with Christmas decorations, but there's nothing there.
And the point you make about there being drawings from kids who graduated years ago.
I mean, I'd say probably in 2008.
Because that's when we have concluded the school was closed by 2008.
So you're not going to find any reports or posters or drawings or whatever from students after that time.
And if you go back to those whose drawings were there, they're almost certainly going to be for students who graduated then.
And unless, you know, they made efforts to try to seed, you know, the school to make it look like it was, but they overlooked so much stuff, I mean.
I know, and you know, when you talk about those pictures on the wall of the old artwork from students that had graduated from Sandy Hook Elementary School years ago and were in middle school at the time of the crime scene photos, I mean, Those crime scene photos aside, just look at the crime scene photos of those hallways, Jim.
I mean, here we are in the main hallway where supposedly the principal and others were gunned down by Adam Lanza, where limbs were probably torn off and such because of the alleged high-powered assault weapons he had.
And there's not a spot of blood in any of the crime scene photos of those main hallways.
Now, Jim, I don't know anything about the detective work.
How these things work, and I asked a friend of mine who's very high up in government and knows about these things, and as you probably do too, Jim, I said, do they usually clean stuff up before crime scene photos?
I know it sounds like a stupid question, but I really didn't know because I knew they took the kids, they allegedly took the children victims out of Sandy Hook the very next day, so I thought maybe they cleaned it up or something.
He said, oh, he said, no way!
That's not protocol!
You take crime scene photos of the crime scene!
So where's the blood?
So where's the blood?
I mean, I hate to be morbid, but we're getting into territory where they have no case!
They have no case!
I mean, if you look at the insulting, intellectually insulting Connecticut State Police report delivered to us by Stephen Stadensky, the Danbury District Attorney, who coincidentally is a Newtown resident.
It's insulting to say that these are the crime team foes and this is what happened this day.
I mean, the amount of inconsistencies, the amount of discrepancies, they can't get the story straight.
And they just convict Adam Lanzer.
If you're going to believe the official document you have before you, the American people, I'm saying, Jim, they're indicting Adam Lanzer on this murder with no evidence at all.
They're The gun, their fingerprints weren't even on the gun!
I mean, the level of cognitive dissonance here is, you know, it's hard to, I laugh, but it's really sick and sad, it really is.
Yes, yes, yes.
Even the construction workers involved in the demolition of the building were required to sign lifetime gag orders that they couldn't describe anything they saw or did not see when they tore down the building, which would have included no blood on the floors and no pockmarks in the walls from bullets having hit.
And you know, they had over 150 slogs recovered, and yet, Stephen Sedinsky acknowledged in a footnote that they couldn't match any of the slogs to the AR-15 that Adam Lanza was alleged to have used, not one.
That means they completely failed to create a causal nexus that tied together the shooter, the weapon he was alleged to have used, and his victims.
It was a forensic failure.
Right, on so many levels, if you're going to take the Connecticut State Police report at face value, or the official story at face value, it falls apart every which way if you're going to look at the facts of it.
I mean, you've got police officers there who in no way follow protocols.
You've got the head of the emergency services telling ambulances, the first two ambulances and paramedics to approach the scene to stand down.
And stand down where?
They said, uh, stand down and park behind in the back lot of the Sandy Hook Fire Station at the bottom of the driveway there.
They didn't let the first EMS up until an hour after the first 911 call.
And what did that ambulance, EMT, and paramedic do?
Oh, they went to help The one adult who was hurt, shot in the foot allegedly, who had a bandage on their foot, and it was the only person on the triage, the little triage area they had set up in front of the school.
That's the only, and that's the only picture we saw in the press.
Well they, the EMT, the, or not the EMT, Sergeant Cario from the Connecticut State Police, who is EMT trained, well he went to help the adult in the I mean, this is absurd and insane.
if you look at the Connecticut State Police Report, before he went back to room eight and room 10 to look for child victims.
I mean, this is absurd and insane.
If any parent really had a kid in those classrooms, like Ben Wheeler's dad, David Wheeler, he should be irate, irate, that those children were ignored and left in piles and proclaimed deceased when the cario didn't have the credentials that those children were ignored and left in piles and proclaimed deceased when the cario didn't have the credentials to do such a thing while he's helping some adult in the This is criminal activity!
Criminal!
You know, David Wheeler, since you mention him, was a curious case because He appears to have played two roles at Sandy Hook that day.
One, of course, the grieving father, but the other is SWAT team member where he was filmed walking up and down Dickinson Drive holding an AR-15 upside down by the magazine.
Which was simply ludicrous.
The claim was made this was actually an FBI guy who had a similar resemblance.
And while he had a similar resemblance, no one trained in marksmanship or with weapons would ever carry a weapon upside down by the magazine.
They're designed to be rapidly replaced.
And you're gonna it's gonna come apart it's gonna fall you may damage the weapon it's just a stupid indictment that David Wheeler didn't really know what he was doing and frankly you look at him in the footage and he doesn't seem to have any idea what he's doing.
That's right, Jim.
Yeah, I looked at that photo again because I heard those counterclaims that maybe it was an FBI agent.
But, you know, it makes sense to me that you said, well, if it was really an FBI agent that looked like David Wheeler, why would he carry his weapon upside down by the magazine?
That doesn't make sense.
And I actually think that photo, it does look like a lot like David Wheeler.
And it is absolutely true that David Wheeler is an actor.
There's even a video I put up of his little Yes.
Yes.
did where he shoots some guy or himself in the head and this horrible movie in 2001 is up on my blood.
He is an actor.
And his wife too.
Obama allowed them to give a speech from the Oval Office about Sandy Hook to promote gun control.
Oh, that's right.
David Wheeler was palling around with Obama like a day or two after the event.
It's sickening.
And you know what?
David Wheeler called me.
Called me on the phone.
And I welcomed him to call me again.
But you know what?
He called me on the phone in March.
2018, I think it was.
Jeremy Richman, the father of Aviel Richman, who has this whole foundation set up after the shooting.
He allegedly killed himself, committed suicide, allegedly, in the Edmonton Hall right on Main Street by our flagpole.
And you know what?
I just read my little Newtown blog and I had maybe like less than a hundred people read this little blog post I did about Jeremy Richman's alleged suicide.
And my, my post was entitled, maybe it's not about the guns.
Maybe it's about mental health, right?
Maybe Jeremy Richman knew it wasn't about the guns and this whole, the Sandy Hook thing wasn't about the guns.
He was the only parent, alleged parent.
Well, this whole thing is a lie, but he was the only parent that was looking at brain research into the origins of violence in the brain.
And boy, when that little post went up, he blogged.
Guess who called me the next day, Jim?
David Wheeler.
This guy, this big parent and big press and actor guy who hangs out with Obama, he calls me and tells me to call, leaves me a message for me to call him back right away.
And we talked for over an hour and I actually taped the conversation.
And looking back on it, Jim, at the time, obviously, back then, I did not I don't know the truth, and I believe the narrative, and I believed it, but you know, that conversation, looking back at it now, is very interesting, and I do believe that David Wheeler was just giving me a call to see what I knew.
He wanted to know what I knew, and I, at the time, I did not know nothing, you know, but he planted some lies in my head about Jeremy Richmond, and the things he wanted me to spread, probably looking back, But, you know, I wonder if David Wheeler is even CIA trained, some people have suggested to me.
You know, and conversing with him over an hour, I would believe it.
Although, I think a lot of these CIA operatives are double trained in things, and maybe he was an actor as well.
You know, they mix it up, as I think you know, Jim.
Let me just encourage Those who might want to learn more, including about Averil Richman, who actually appears to have been Lenny Urbana, not even his own daughter, check it out at the How to Spot a False Flag at JimTheConspiracyGuy.com.
I did a two-parter.
Well, I go through about 15 or 20 different cases, Rebecca, and show how we can tell that these were false flags, staged events that were attributed to sources or causes other than those that were actually bringing them about.
They're fabricated events for political purposes.
And in the second, I talk about this case specifically and offer evidence that, in She, like the other children at Sandy Hook, did not die.
Where a number of them actually even sang at the Super Bowl, believe it or not.
And there's just a fascinating story all there by itself.
Yeah, and I want to say, too, about Lenny Urbina, who is actually, as you proved, and I think Wolfgang and some others worked on you with this, Jim, is this Lenny Urbina is actually the, who they said was Aviel Richman, right?
Yes.
If you look at who Lenny Urbina's father is, well, that's Curtis Urbina.
Guess what Curtis Urbina does in town?
Well, he's the head of the Newtown Wrestling Club.
Oh, where did the Newtown Wrestling Club do all of their practices?
Oh, at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, all the way up until the event, you know?
And if you talk about And one of the supposed victims of this Sandy Hook event was Jack Pinto, who was a first-grade wrestler.
Who the heck wrestles in first grade, but okay.
And you know what?
I think this is unfortunately really tied into the pedophilia and satanic cult that is inherent in Sandy Hook and Newtown.
And believe me, it's a disgusting, horrific thought.
I didn't want to face it when I first learned about it.
I pushed it aside for many months, and I went back to it later because I knew I had to find out and face it.
There is a very malevolent force in Newtown and I think that unfortunately, Jim, it is tied, this pedophilian satanism is tied into the Sandy Hook event.
I think there is this web of deceit and this web of corruption, this web of exploitation, especially of our children.
...is all tied together and so are these many characters involved.
Characters that we have entrusted to not only take care of us as Newtown residents, as our leaders in these different organizations, but of our children.
And it is a lie and it is deceitful.
And can I say one more thing, Jim?
It is fraud.
It is absolute fraud.
You know, I used to get emails after the Sandy Hook event from the superintendent, and the very first thing to calm parents down, because we were so terrorized with post-traumatic stress disorder from Sandy Hook, the very first thing they would say in their emails to parents is, your children are safe.
And then they would go into their little stupid announcement of whatever about the schools.
But you know what, Jim?
Bullshit!
Bullshit, our kids are safe.
They are not safe in Newtown or probably anywhere in this country.
The child trafficking that goes on in this country, the human trafficking, especially with our minors that go on with these things like Pizzagate that expose, Pizzagate exposed, it is very, it is very inherent in Sandy Hook and Newtown too, as much to the poor unrealization as what that means, especially as local parents.
But we need to stop this now.
This is disgusting, especially as a mother.
I want to say, as a mother who gave birth to children, You people are abhorrent, and they're evil.
They are evil to do this to little children, especially.
And they will be stopped.
They will be stopped.
Not only did they call down the thunder, they called down the light of God.
And you know what?
It all will be illuminated, and they will pay the dearest price with their souls.
They already sold their souls, but this is going to be dire, dire consequences for them.
That goes on to the spiritual level, Jim.
Well, you're a wonderful champion for truth and justice, Rebecca, and I hold you in the highest esteem, and I'm very, very glad you're speaking out as a Newtown mom.
And as you may have noticed, my most recent Conspiracy Guy show, Absent One, was on Pizzagate.
It's the American franchise of Pedogate, and it's a horrific, horrific story.
Yes, I watched that Jim, that was very, it revealed a lot and I think unfortunately it does have, this child trafficking, this pedophilia, and maybe even the satanic element has ties to these false flags as well, because unfortunately
This is part of the way that they control people and indoctrinate them into these cults but even into these kind of crime family mob setups where if you speak it out against the family, you know, everyone who's seen Godfather or Sopranos knows you do not and that's how they indoctrinate people into this.
And they come quiet.
But if people really had a conscience and a soul about what's going on in this country, in this world, in a new town, they will come forward and they will tell their story.
They can contact me or they can contact you, Jim, I'm sure.
And they can come forward and tell and we will put their story out there.
You know, here I am putting myself in the line.
I mean, I probably, you know, part of it every morning I get, I wake up and I'm almost like, will I get whacked today?
You know, no joke.
Or will they go after my kids?
Or will they go after my pet?
Or whatever.
Because these people are sick and they're ruthless at the highest levels.
And I don't have, yeah, I don't have frontline knowledge, Jim, but I'm trying to illuminate what I can through research and investigation and trying to encourage someone to come forward and blow the whistle on this.
Well, you're doing a brilliant job, Rebecca, and I look forward to subsequent conversations between us.
It's been a great pleasure having you here today.
It's been a while since we had a conversation, and I wanted to do it sooner than later, but I want to have you back on The Conspiracy.
Actually, on The Fetz Presents.
I have two shows a week on Tuesdays and Thursdays, two hour long interviews.
I want to have you on one of those in the very near future and more and more, Rebecca.
I want to thank you for taking time out today to converse with me and to just say how much I admire you and the work you're doing.
I think it's spectacular.
I really can't, I can't thank you enough.
Yeah, thanks for the invitation today and I'll certainly look, I'm looking forward to those future shows and I commend you as well as on all the work you've done to find the truth as well and illuminate the truth.
Thank you.
So this is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, thanking my special guest for this interview, Rebecca Karns, a Newtown mom, speaking out about Sandy Hook.
Thanks for watching.
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