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David Ferry's Languages
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| Yeah, let's do it. | |
| This is Jim Fetzer on James Fetzer News with my special guest Judith Vary-Baker, who knew Lee Oswald in New Orleans and a lot of other interesting characters. | |
| One of them, I take it, Judith, was David Ferry? | |
| Yes, David William Ferry, David W. Ferry, then Harry Ferry, who It wasn't very. | |
| He had a lot. | |
| He could make jokes about himself and all that. | |
| He was a very intelligent man who knew at least seven languages. | |
| And when I say that, it was French, German, Italian, Spanish, English, German, Greek, and Latin. | |
| And he was a terrific He could play classical piano. | |
| He was a very interesting man. | |
| He was, of course, a professional pilot. | |
| He was also the pilot for Carlos Marcello. | |
| He was a go-between man between Marcello and Guy Bannister, who was former FBI. | |
| A lot of people ask me, well, why in the world would Bannister and Carlos Marcello have a go-between between them? | |
| I couldn't even bring those subjects up because for a long time, nobody ever believed that the CIA or the FBI worked with the Mafia in efforts to kill Fidel Castro. | |
| Even in 1999, when I first spoke out, they were saying things like, oh, they quit all those attempts on Castro. | |
| Since then, they have found many, many more attempts that were made on Castro, even in 1963. | |
| At least that's what I was told by those researchers. | |
| What I'd like to say about David Ferry is I feel in some ways he's been treated unfairly. | |
| There have been many attempts to show that he was a broken man, that he wasn't that smart, and so on. | |
| But he was. | |
| And I attest to that and to his abilities that he had. | |
| He worked with Robert Heath and he did a lot of work. | |
| We've probably talked about this before. | |
| The fact that Dave Ferry and Lee Oswald knew each other before is absolutely true. | |
| At one time there was a photograph of Lee with his Civil Air Patrol hanging on Dave Ferry's wall. | |
| I don't know what happened to it because I noticed in a dead photo that was sent of when Dave Ferry died, all those photos were taken down off the wall. | |
| They're gone. | |
| Probably just because it showed Lee in the images that they didn't want to be able to prove the connection. | |
| Yeah, there's been some rigging done on that, you know. | |
| So, I wanted to talk about, though, the marmosets, monkeys, and things that we work with. | |
| Yes, yes, I was going to ask how you happen to be dealing with a strange fellow like David Ferry, though your description makes him out to be quite a virtuoso in many respects. | |
| Well, he was involved with Tulane and strange little experiments that they really probably associated with MK-ALTRA, the Mind Control ALTRA program that the CIA had. | |
| They were interested in New Orleans and the drugs and things. | |
| As you know, they did sprayed LSD once, you know, in, what was it? | |
| Somewhere. | |
| Oh, I know where they sprayed it over in France, for example. | |
| That's in the Trindade book, a terrible mistake. | |
| And some of those people killed themselves. | |
| You know, they were completely wiped out by that experiment. | |
| LSD. | |
| Well, they were looking at other life-altering drugs too. | |
| And among them, what in the world is this about zombies and voodoo? | |
| Okay. | |
| David Ferry was also very interested in things like that. | |
| And so anyway, there was a connection there because Robert Heath helped him. | |
| And he did get involved in some of that stuff. | |
| So, that got him interested in, he met Mary Sherman, Dr. Mary Sherman, at the Crippled Children's Hospital. | |
| And they became friends. | |
| And she's a world-class cancer researcher. | |
| Now, one so-called famous guy on the internet keeps saying that she was just an orthopedic surgeon. | |
| But actually, when she died, the Wall Street Journal put that she was a noted cancer researcher right on their front page. | |
| We've been found dead. | |
| She was found dead, of course, as you surely know, on July 21st, 1964, the day the Warren Commission came to New Orleans to get unsolicited testimonies. | |
| They were there before getting the ones they wanted. | |
| Now they wanted volunteers to come forward and to speak out. | |
| And Mary Sherman was found dead that same day. | |
| Do you have any suspicion that Mary Sherman might in fact have come forward and that that might be the reason for her accidental demise? | |
| That was no accidental demise when you find out her right arm was completely missing. | |
| That even though her body was badly burned, even her curtains weren't even smoldering, that her body is found naked. | |
| This is a fancy woman, a doctor, with great respect. | |
| She's found naked. | |
| We find that Guy Bannister, a month earlier, in June, was killed. | |
| He's found naked. | |
| This is a message, okay, being sent out. | |
| And a month before him, Guy Bannister's friend Hugh Ward, who knew a lot about Lee, Also was killed. | |
| So these are not coincidences. | |
| These are shut up, you know. | |
| Now you and David and Mary were involved in research in New Orleans. | |
| Can you tell us about it? | |
| Yeah, and I wanted to talk a little bit about the primate research. | |
| First of all, we started out with mice. | |
| These were baby or wheeling mice. | |
| And imagine if you have a mouse that weighs An ounce, say. | |
| And then it has a tumor that it develops in only seven days. | |
| And this tumor is as big as the mouse is. | |
| So for a hundred ounces of mouse, you have a hundred ounces of tumor. | |
| Imagine. | |
| That's a hundred percent ratio, you know, going on there. | |
| Now, if you have a monkey, then we went to monkeys. | |
| We moved it to morosets first, a very small pygmy type of monkey. | |
| Because first of all, we had to see, you cannot take a cancer from a mouse and then have it work in a human. | |
| You've got to transit it through primates. | |
| We are primates. | |
| We are anthropologically associated with apes of all kinds of gorillas, bonobos and chimps and so on, and also monkeys. | |
| Well, So we use first the marmoset because if it didn't work in a marmoset, we're not going to go and kill expensive big monkeys first. | |
| And they were grabbing marmosets, these little pygmy ones, by the sackful in South America at one time, you know, and just hauling them in. | |
| Now they're breeding and they're expensive, but they weren't that expensive then and they were very, very useful. | |
| So we have maybe like a little three ounce marmoset And sure enough, they were getting like one ounce cancers on them. | |
| One third of their body weight would be cancer. | |
| Can you imagine? | |
| Only a week. | |
| That's because these were little babies. | |
| They had, they were, they had no immune system because they were young. | |
| See, they're just getting meat from their mothers and they didn't have the immune system. | |
| Therefore, they were susceptible. | |
| Well, next we moved to green monkeys. | |
| Green monkeys weigh about 10, well, anywhere from 9 to 12 kilograms. | |
| So we're talking about, um, 20 pound monkey, 25 pound monkey. | |
| And as you can imagine, if you have a hundred of them, that's 2,500 pounds of monkey. | |
| Uh, I mean, 250 pounds of monkey is a hundred. | |
| Where are we here? | |
| Anyway, if you have, if you have a thousand pounds of monkeys, that means you had, uh, about 200 monkeys, see? | |
| And so, When I say that we worked with thousands of pounds of monkeys, I don't mean we worked with thousands of monkeys, but thousands of pounds of them, because we were looking at the ratio there. | |
| If we have a thousand pounds of monkey, how many pounds of cancer did we get from that round? | |
| And as a matter of fact, we're talking about enormous Rapidly developing cancers, and it was incredible how fast they grew. | |
| And the project you were engaged in here, Judith, that you're describing had to do with the use of a rapid-growing cancer as a bioweapon to kill human beings? | |
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Considered Safe Way
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| This was dreadful. | |
| My idea was, my parents lived in Florida. | |
| I was going to school there when Castro aimed nuclear weapons at us. | |
| And he was ranting and raving on television, you know, he wanted to kill everybody and he hated, you know, seemed to hate the United States. | |
| They were gone for hours. | |
| So yeah, we had a real problem there. | |
| And I've been faulted. | |
| At the time, I was told that it would maybe stop World War Three, that we could save millions of people if we could get rid of Castro. | |
| And I don't, I didn't consider it murder. | |
| I considered it a safe way to defuse all those nuclear weapons. | |
| - Yeah, you were acting in the interest of national security as you understood it. | |
| - That's the way, yes, and I was a young person. | |
| I believe these strong individuals like Dr. Oxner and what they told me, why should I doubt them if they're such famous men and they're so powerful and they know what they're talking about? | |
| And somebody's going to do it anyway, but I did object when I found out they were going to use it on uninformed persons without their consent and that ruined my whole life and my whole career and I was kicked out of cancer research for it. | |
| Judith, I look forward to continuing our conversations about these and other events in New Orleans during the period you knew Lee Oswald. | |
| I want to thank you for coming on with me on James Fetzer News. | |