In this episode, Jimmy covers Palantir CEO Alex Karp. He has gained a reputation for "unhinged" behavior through his eccentric, high-energy public appearances and provocative statements, such as animatedly ranting in interviews about making enemies "scared" for safety, boasting that Palantir helps the West "scare enemies and, on occasion, kill them," fantasizing about drones spraying fentanyl-laced urine on critical analysts as a "lower purpose" for revenge, and displaying restless, fidgety mannerisms that went viral. Plus segments on how NYU tried to silence Professor Mark Crispin Miller, Tucker reveals "Supra Government" who really runs the world, and Thomas Massie on the real reasons why trump wants Venezuela and Greenland. Also featuring Mark Crispin Miller, Thomas Massie, Stef Zamorano, and Kurt Metzger
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And when it's necessary to scare enemies and on occasion, kill them.
And Jimmy?
Yeah, yes, Kurt.
I just killed a man, Jimmy.
We're doing it, Jimmy.
His hair looks like he had his photo taken while falling into the abyss.
That's what it looks like.
Look, show him.
Jimmy!
Alex Karp's Shadow Government00:11:46
So, you remember this guy?
This is Alex Karp.
He's, yes, he's a meth head and also the head of Palantir.
Palantair, which, by the way, has all your data.
It's the so you know how the government isn't legally allowed to spy on you, even though they do.
Well, Palantir is a private company that was actually funded and started by the CIA and works for this.
Their one client seems to be the CIA.
Anyway, this is Palantir.
He's in charge of the surveillance state that you now live under.
And remember when he flipped out during an interview with this guy?
Remember, he was doing.
I made a lot of decisions when we began talking, annoying each other 10 years ago.
Hopefully, I'm annoying you as much as 10 years ago or more.
When I made a you know this every decision.
So, so he's back at it.
That's an early 90s Tom Arnold.
I'm looking at.
Yeah.
So he's back at it.
And he's Palantir Technology CEO Alex Carp couldn't stay seated in his chair as he proudly stated, We kill people sometimes while speaking to his shareholders.
This is really your hair before you say that shit.
Oh, so let's watch.
And you know, I can't wait for this day to end when the guys who are the most powerful business guys in the room show up in t-shirts.
That, you know, I guess Simon Cowell kind of started that by hosting a national television show in a t-shirt instead of wearing a collared shirt and looking nice.
So now every asshole in the world wants to wear a t-shirt when they go to work because it makes them look, oh, he must really be powerful.
Because look, he can dress like it's laundry day when he goes to work.
When he's on an he's he's doing an earnings, he's doing a call with his investors.
That's my dream to do that, to wear an undershirt while I talk to my jerk-off investors and they have to tolerate.
They probably got dressed up too.
Oh, here we go.
Oh, here we go.
Ready?
And so Let's listen to what he said.
Alex, as always, we have a lot of individual investors on the line.
Is there anything you'd like to say before we end the call?
We're doing it.
We're doing it.
And I'm sure you're enjoying this as much as I am.
Let's not talk to analysts about the burden of being right, our burdens of investing in ontology, our burdens of actually looking at the math, the burden of reading what the rule of 40 is, the burden of being honest about what an enterprise software company is, or the burden of explaining to your friends that you're really happy.
Maybe we should just stop talking about it.
I'm very happy to have you along for the journey, and you are partners for us.
Every Palantirian, we are crushing it.
Everyone else who's listening, we are dedicating our company.
We have dedicated our company to the service of the West and the United States of America, and we're super proud of the role we play, especially in places we can't talk about.
And we love our success in the U.S. and globally.
Also, you know, we are doing the United Kingdom and many other places.
Palantir is here to disrupt and make the institutions we partner with the very best in the world.
And when it's necessary, to scare enemies and on occasion, kill them.
And Jimmy?
Yeah, yes, Kurt.
I just killed a man, Jimmy.
I hope that's annoying.
Woo!
We're doing it, Jimmy.
His hair looks like he had his photo taken while falling into the abyss.
That's what it looks like.
Look, show him.
Jimmy!
We're doing it.
So here it says: when a CEO treats lethal force like a quirky product feature, that's not bravado.
That's rot.
That is our Palantir logo.
Thank you.
That's not bravado.
That's rot.
Yeah, sometimes it's rot.
Sometimes it's rot.
I like what she says.
Shannon Watts says: imagine if a woman running a company that earns billions from government contracts showed up at an investor meeting wearing a t-shirt with unbrushed hair, and then, while gesturing like a meth addict, celebrated killing people.
That's not what Hillary does.
I think she brushes her hair.
She wears a brooch.
She doesn't wear a t-shirt, and she's not doing this the whole time.
Hey, yeah.
Hillary sits very still.
Sometimes she'll go like this at balloons.
Look at his arms.
Kim.com says: Peter Thiel and Alex Karp murdered innocent children in Gaza.
Welcome.
They may have money, but they have no respect.
When you see gore videos of Palestinian kids without limbs, those guys are probably involved.
Imagine making money by killing children.
I couldn't sleep at night.
Well, they don't have any problem.
Yeah, well, sometimes we kill children.
We're doing it.
I don't know.
Kim.com doesn't look like you sleep at night.
I don't know if you've looked through the film.
Yeah, but probably needs a CPAP machine, I'd imagine.
He doesn't look like he sleeps at all, Kim.com.
Maybe he hangs upside down like Batman.
He's probably just sitting in a comfy chair, I bet.
But I'm the Steve Jobs of killing people.
That's a great.
I like that.
I'm trying to do this perfect, Alex Cork.
How about this one?
Oh, yeah.
That's great.
Reminds me of that guy.
Remember, if you've seen, now Misha hasn't seen this movie.
Oh, it's, oh, I want to watch it with you.
Yeah, but put it in the middle of Lord of the Rings terms.
Come on, Palantir.
Bilbo.
So let's remember what he has said previously.
You need a higher purpose.
And I also think you often need a lower purpose.
Like the higher purpose for me.
What's the lower purpose?
Well, I love the idea of getting a drone and having light fentanyl-laced urine spraying on analysts who tried to screw us.
A drone?
Wow.
The lower purpose.
Spray drug piss on everybody.
Wow.
I got plenty of that, Jimmy.
I got plenty of drug piss.
I just need, just give me the drone.
Show me the lobbyist.
Talk about public enema number one.
Am I right?
Come on.
Come on.
Are you sure you would have fentanyl P there, buddy?
It looks like you're on Adderall P to me.
And I'm going to say something a lot stronger than Adderall is my guess.
Because I never, even Destiny, who I'm pretty sure does meth because of Jaw.
Yeah.
Never seen him do that.
Never saw it.
Here's what Kim Iverson has to say about Alex Carp.
He wrote a book.
At its core, this book isn't just a book about AI.
It is essentially a manifesto.
The technological republic, hard power, soft belief, and the future of the West.
And what he means by that is pretty radical.
The tech elite, Silicon Valley founders, engineers, AI builders, shouldn't just build products and chase markets.
They should basically function as a governing class, not elected politicians, but a strategic elite working hand in hand with the state to shape the country's direction.
Now, we've talked about this.
Steve Bannon brought this up when he came on the show.
Remember, he was talking about how guys like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk want to be these techno-feudal overlords who rule us, right?
And it's not really a democracy, which it's not a democracy anyway.
But she's saying that that's their plan.
Now, we've talked about this when we had on Derek Brose.
He talked about how this has been a plan since World War II to have a techno-state take over North America all the way from South America to the North Pole.
And so that's, this is not, so that's really, by the way, that's what's happening.
Unless you know it or not, that's what we are now under the thumb of Palantir surveillance state.
That's right.
And we're going to take more land and we're going to be on speed.
Does that remind you of anybody from history?
It better not.
It better not remind you.
Better not remind you of Hitler.
But here we go.
Now he says.
Oh, he says, ah, Silicon Valley just builds food delivery apps, dating apps, social media stuff.
He says that markets are too democratic, that they just give people what they want, not what they need.
You're giving them entertainment.
What they need is supposedly AI weapons systems, battlefield autonomy, surveillance infrastructure, military coordination tools.
He doesn't frame AI military dominance as a reluctant necessity.
He frames it as a moral imperative.
So in his view, building military AI is virtuous because it defends the West.
He encourages tech companies to work closely with the Pentagon, intelligence agencies, and law enforcement.
He wants that fusion of tech, AI, surveillance in our government.
He argues for this.
He actually sees this as a good thing.
And then he goes on to say when he's promoting his book, oh, yeah.
And by the way, I want to spray my critics with fentanyl-laced urine.
Alex Karp now has many people in our government by the nuts now that we've integrated all of this AI tech into the government.
Really, the government has been like this for a while.
We've seen this with the military-industrial complex.
The people that made the missiles, people that make all the bombs, the people that make all the airplanes, all the tech, they essentially been controlling our government.
That's why we're in endless war.
So that is what the military-industrial complex has been able to do is hold our nation hostage by being so powerful.
And now it's the AI guys.
And now it's the AI guys.
Yeah.
And by the way, when he says that they're crushing it, they were doing really good.
But here, now it seems to be, it's going downhill.
Jimmy, what we call crushing it is not what you think you want.
It's what you need.
And we needed for it to go downhill.
Now we need to spy on you.
So Palantair's 1984 level spyware could be used to prevent crime.
But instead, it's being used to murder God knows who from God knows where and God knows why with our tax dollars.
At Palantair, we believe that software is the critical enabler of modern mission systems.
Since 2008, we proudly partnered with the U.S. Army and betting alongside users to design and deploy modern mission essential software solutions.
Today, Palantair solutions are deployed across nearly every Army mission area.
Oh, okay.
No big deal.
We're doing it.
We're doing it.
And no one, she says no one still ever mentions a disease surveillance piece.
Transhumanist-controlled Palantair was tasked with surveilling SARS-CoV-2, the novel pathogen that accelerates biological aging in humans.
They gained legitimacy and then they moved to AI warfare.
So Americans never hear about this for some reason.
It's puddling.
CDC awards Palantair consolidated disease surveillance contract worth a half a billion dollars.
Palantair supplying Israel with new tools since Hamas war started.
Data firm to hold board meeting in Tel Aviv for first time.
CEO Alex Karp, Peter Thiel met Israel president during the visit.
Wow.
So, and just to let you know what else he has said, Alex Karp has said the U.S. will very likely fight a three-front war against Russia, China, and Iran.
That's where they make their money.
Shadow Government Revelations00:15:42
Fingers crossed, we're going to be doing it.
And it's going to happen.
Here's just Palantair's mega database combines all of your data into mass surveillance nightmare.
Medical records, facial scans, location tracking, social security, bank accounts, tax filings, student debt, visa status, created by billionaire Peter Thiel.
It's a blueprint for tracking, profile, and control in your life.
No big deal.
So you want to know about what's a shadow government.
There's your shadow government.
Do you realize Alex Karp has the same intro to talking about this as Tony does to Kill Tony?
Because we're doing it?
Because we're doing it.
That's what Kill Tony.
We're doing it.
We're doing it.
Yeah.
Did Alex Karp steal that amazing opening, do you think?
So there's Alex Karp, a guy who has more power than you thought.
And he should.
And most people don't know who he is.
Sorry.
Sorry.
So what we are is the frog in the pot, and it's slowly boiling.
And we don't notice.
And people don't notice because they're too busy trying to afford gas and groceries and schooling and health care and their pharmaceuticals and also try to squeeze in a vacation if that's possible.
So that's what's going on.
People don't have time yet.
But once the U.S. dollar is no longer the reserve currency of the world and their 401ks tank and the dollar tanks and their whole savings tank and their retirement tanks and their houses tank, then, then there will be people in the street and we will have a revolution.
But until then, we're going to be ruled by criminals.
You're going to be lucky to have a frog in a pot, Jimmy.
Honestly, I don't even think you'll be entitled to fentanyl urine the way you're talking.
I know.
By the way, that frog in the pot myth that everybody says, no, a frog will jump right out.
They won't sit there and boil.
The guy that said that is some weird German vivisectionist who cut out part of the frog's brain in an amazing Fauci-like experiment and then discovered it won't move.
Oh, wow, it's brilliant.
You know what?
It still works because that's America.
Half you got half your brain cut out.
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He's kind of this independent power broker working with a series of other independent power brokers together who form some kind of supra government above all representative government in the West.
That's the clear, you know.
So like, what is that?
Yeah.
Do you think interesting?
Tucker, after taking a minute to think about what's happening with the Epstein files and what it reveals, he says it reveals that we actually don't have a real government and that we have a supra government.
Let's listen.
Supra sounds like a new shadow government.
Like a Celica, like from Toyota.
But no, that's a different supra.
Let's listen.
He knew everybody.
Yeah.
And in every country.
And he's weighing it on every event of the moment that he's living in.
So like he's shorting the global financial crisis.
He's discussing the fall of Gaddafi in Libya before it happens and trying to figure out how to profit from that.
Totally plugged in.
Like at a level that, you know, as someone who just like covers government, I feel like I know plugged in people.
Never met anyone that plugged in.
Yeah.
So what is this?
He represents no government.
He clearly works for Mossad.
He clearly works for CIA.
Clearly isn't or is in contact with both and clearly British intelligence.
So he's not working for Israel.
He's not working for the United States.
He's not working for the UK exclusively.
He's not working for anybody.
Really, he's kind of this independent power broker working with a series of other independent power brokers together who form some kind of supra government above all representative government in the West.
That's the clear, you know.
So like, what is that?
Yeah.
Do you think we'll see arrests?
Well, it's been almost 20 years that some of this material has been in the custody of governments.
Most of it is still hidden.
And there have been no arrests.
Instead, there's been a consistent, over decades, effort to shield the people exposed from arrest.
So, no, I mean, there may be performative arrests.
But the big question is not, was there blackmail?
Yes.
Was there sex with minors?
Of course.
Was there some kind of weird religious practice that we would describe as witchcraft?
Oh, yeah.
But the bigger question is like, what was this?
It's clearly an informal governance body over what the rest of us consider the authorities, which is to say, governments, nation states.
So that is what's revealing who really runs things.
And again, like I told you, when there's a session of Congress, do you really think they're in there doing the bidding of students or the elderly or workers or the sick or citizens in general?
They're in there.
They're in there doing the bidding of the oligarchs, the people who really run the world, just like Donald Trump is doing their bidding.
Do you think regular people, when they voted for Donald Trump, they're like, oh, I hope he goes into Venezuela.
I hope he chokes off Cuba.
I hope he tries to take over Greenland.
I hope he bombs Iran.
I hope he keeps funding the Ukraine war and the genocide.
And then I hope he bombs.
You think anybody, nobody, oh, nobody, even the people today say, yeah, I voted for that.
They did not because they were running on the exact opposite of that.
Ending the war in 24 hours, taking the money we spend on war, investing it back in the United States.
Trump was talking about cutting the military budget in half.
And now he's quadrupling it from half to quadrupled.
So it's.
That's my boo, Jimmy.
Right.
That's my boo.
Does that quadruple?
That Doge was always a lie.
Does it a big scam?
It was a distraction.
It was to keep the people on the left and the right hating each other.
It worked like a charm.
And so we do have a we so this idea that, again, that you would get caught up in this left-right dichotomy is silly.
You have to really be a Trump to not see through it.
And so what happened to a lot of people that I know personally when Trump got elected, that's when they started paying attention to politics.
And so it took 10 years for them to realize, oh my God, the Democrats and the Republicans are playing a game on us.
It took 10 years.
Now, finally, people who started to pay attention to politics in 2016, it took 10 years for them to now go, oh, I see.
They all work for the same people.
They're both screwing us.
It doesn't matter who we vote for.
What's that?
You've seen these people feel that?
I haven't.
Oh, yeah, I have.
I have seen people starting to wake up to that.
Yeah.
Say saying that you should withhold your vote from the Democrats stuff.
I've seen that, and we're going to cover it, in fact, on Wednesday.
I guess Tucker chewing up that remedial shit and spitting into their mouth like a baby bird does work.
Yeah.
And let's remember what Charlie Kirk said about the not the exact same thing because he didn't know about the Epstein files, what was in them yet.
But here's he's making a similar point.
Let's listen.
Intel agencies were then used inwardly against us.
And that has really been the story the last 30 to 40 years, which is our Intel services are supposed to gather intelligence and defend the homeland and to keep us domestically safe.
But it turns out they're actually more about picking winners and losers in American elections and to thwart the will of popular sovereignty.
So that's why that Dilbert guy, Scott Adams, when he says, I trust the CIA to lie to me to keep me safe.
That is such a childish.
And I don't want to speak poorly of the dead.
I liked him.
I love his cartoon.
He was here to defend himself.
That was such a ridiculous thing to say that I trust the CIA to lie to me to keep me safe.
I trust Trump to lie to me.
I trust the government to lie to me.
That is really one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
He knows now that rational Jesus and rational heaven is laughing at him.
That's right.
So that's why, because the CIA isn't working on your behalf, just like the president isn't working on your behalf.
None of them are working on your behalf.
Just like Tucker Carlson just said, there's a supra government.
And just like Charlie Kirk knew, even before the Epstein files got released, that the intelligence community is making up a sort of supra government above the government.
The shadow government.
The shadow government.
And they actually run things.
Administrative.
The shadow government is who's above the deep state.
I've seen people talking about this for years.
It's not supra shadow.
Look, let me finish what Charlie says.
Who actually runs this government?
The first term, we were kind of under this very naive idea that the people run the government.
And then we were like, well, it's the lobbyists.
After, I think, seven or eight years, and it's taken time.
It's the administrative state and the intel agencies.
It's this fourth branch of government that the founders never created.
They never designed.
There was no intent for.
And that fourth branch of government is unaccountable, has unknown biographies of people that are running it.
And they're there for unlimited amounts of time.
There's no term limits.
They're not elected and they're unelected.
You have all these unknown amounts of people, and what are they doing?
And it's a black box budget.
And I believe that all roads lead back to the intel agencies on all this stuff.
And so, but Tulsi is now getting under the hood.
This revelation of Russia Gate is massive.
It's huge.
I know.
And God bless her for doing this.
Who's running the United States government?
So that was, I felt the same way back then.
I felt the same way.
Like, oh, so now they're going to expose the deep state who manufactured a fake hoax called Russia Gate.
And now they're going to arrest some of those people.
And they didn't do any of that.
Wait, how long ago was this before Trump had got in?
This was when he was still alive.
And so, no, this was before he died.
So this is when we thought, this is before we saw the real game being played.
Nobody's going to jail for Russia Gate.
Trump is now the new deep state.
He's working for the shadow government.
The same thing, no matter who you vote for, you get John McCain.
And I thought naively too, like, oh, Tulsi is going to get in there and blow this thing wide open.
She's making huge, I thought so.
But of course, now we know better.
Tulsi flipped, and she's also working with the deep state now because she's part of the administration.
And the price for admission is to go along with the deep state and the shadow government.
And she's going along with it, which is why she flip-flopped on Venezuela, flip-flopped on Cuba, and flip-flopped famously on Gaza.
In fairness to her and to Chris Cuomo and to many of these people, she's probably been trained since a very small child to flip-flop that way because MK Monarch is real and all the pundits and stars, movie stars, and the mom domies and the AOCs and all of them got put through it.
And that's why they seem like they were cast in a teen drama.
That's why.
Well, there's a little bit more to this.
Let's listen.
Question.
If we do not smash the administrative state and the deep state in the coming six to 12 months, then we're actually not going to, we're not going to bring this entire intelligence apparatus to heel.
We have to lance the boil because it's gone so out of control.
And I can tell you, they are deeply fearful of this movement.
They know that we are aware.
They know that we are noticing things.
And that's why they killed him.
And so now he's out of the way.
And they don't have to.
So that's one of the reasons why they killed him because he was too powerful.
He could actually mobilize people against them.
And so he was just a pain in the ass all the way around for the deep state, the establishment, the shadow government, the people who really run things.
He got to be for Israel, certainly.
He became a big pain in the ass.
So they had to get rid of him because he wanted to have the government put back into the hands of the people, which is not happening.
That is happening.
If it's any kind of consolation, they probably had planned to kill him the whole time.
Yeah, the whole time.
The whole time.
That we're seeing patterns, that we know how powerful the intel agencies have become.
And so that's why I think Russia Gate really matters, is that it's a way to hold them accountable to see how.
And they're not.
They're not holding anybody accountable for Russia Gate.
It's just all over.
And now everybody in the FBI are all buddies.
They're all one group team again.
They're all covering up the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt.
They're all covering up the Charlie Kirk assassination.
They're all going along with Venezuela, Cuba, Ukraine, Gaza, Iran, Yemen.
They're all going along with all of it.
So there is no exposure of the deep state because of Russia Gate.
That was just a, that was a, I feel like a sucker for even hoping that that would happen.
I know, and I never had faith, but I still feel like a sucker.
I can't believe what I believe right now.
I just can't believe it.
I don't know.
Should I even read this?
What was that?
Yo, Tucker.
People hear super government and think pure conspiracy.
But the Epstein case does show one real problem.
Different rules for ultra-connected versus everyone else.
The question that actually matters, why has so much evidence sat for decades with so little accountability?
Well, the question kind of answers itself.
It's because everybody's in on it.
That's why.
The kids, they didn't want to say nothing.
Because the people who run the country are in the files.
That's why.
The people who actually run the world are in the files.
That's why.
That's why.
All your heroes are in it.
I'm in it.
I didn't do nothing, Jimmy.
I'm just an important guy.
Tucker just pointed out something people have been uneasy about for years, the sense that there are layers of influence operating far beyond what most citizens ever get to see.
You don't need conspiracy theories to notice the pattern.
Major scandals involving powerful people often end with no real accountability, no arrests, and no clear answers, like 9-11, like the stock market crash, banking crash of 2008, like the Libyan war, like the torture program, like the Iraq war, like the drone program that killed 90% innocent people, like all that, like all that, like COVID.
But it's the same thing.
The Epstein case is the clearest example, two decades of documents, testimony, and reporting, yet the outlook looks nothing like what would happen if the same evidence involved ordinary people.
That disconnect isn't just frustrating.
It erodes trust in the very institutions meant to uphold justice.
When people start asking whether representative government is doing the job it claims to do, they're really asking why transparency seems to stop exactly where power begins.
So the real question becomes, what mechanisms would actually force sunlight into places that have resisted it for decades?
I'm going to say nothing.
Nothing.
The Federation would have to have a talk with Israel.
Dwelling On The Past00:10:31
There's no way to get control of our government through voting or any kind of you're going to have to have some kind of real revolution.
I know that sounds crazy, but when the American dollar crashes after when, let's say Russia and China, India, Brazil decide to go on another dollar besides the United States Reserve Currency.
Let's say they go on the Chinese dollar.
It's over for us.
Our economy craters.
Our dollars, everyone's retirements are wiped out.
Everything gets wiped out.
And that's what's going to lead to a revolution.
And until then, people aren't going to wake up.
Even though 50% of the country can't afford a $400 emergency, 80% of people work paycheck to paycheck.
Even though 50% of wage earners earn $30,000 or less, it's not enough misery to make people get in the streets and have a real revolution.
You know why?
Because they're dying out the people that are disappointed.
And Generation, whatever it is, Alpha, they don't expect nothing.
Those are the new people.
So they tie you up with bullshit identity, millennials and zoomies and boomies and all that.
And while everybody fights, we all die.
And then the new generation doesn't believe in nothing to begin with.
So you can't disappoint them.
So this is, I thought, it was an interesting tweet, Kurt.
What do you make of it?
Yeah, I've seen that.
VC Campbell says there's a huge network and it leads back to Satan.
The Rothschilds, it is said, leave a place for Satan at the table in 1963.
So the story goes.
The Vatican enthroned Satan.
Look at what the Vatican has become since then.
The audience hall is a snake, for goodness sake.
Yeah, I mean, there's no, look, if you're standing in the back and see that, you don't, it doesn't dawn on anybody that that's fucking crazy.
Look at that.
Look at that.
Look at the googly eyes on the snake, too.
That's the thing that shows that that doesn't dawn on anybody that that's a snake.
It's cartoonish how much it's a snake.
And you see the eyes looking at it like, are you guys kidding me?
You literally can't see this, you fucking retards.
That's what it's saying.
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I know.
Look at that.
I know.
Look at Mark Pasio.
I'm going to have him on my podcast Thursday, but Mark Passio, ex-LeVay church guy, he explains it very well.
You got to think of it like in ancient times, if you knew psychology, like pickup artistry tricks when other people didn't.
That's what this occult stuff is: it's psychology and neurolinguistic programming.
And that backfired bigly.
Everyone has to say this phrase.
That's how it works.
And then that way they can use something like this, this Rorschach test design, to see how well the control is.
And if you see the snake, then they don't have you.
And if you don't see it, they got you.
You get it?
This is where I stepped in it, Jimmy.
Yes, here it comes.
If you guys have been wondering, what did he say?
This is what he said.
I said you got to read all the studies, right?
All of them.
This is called doing your own research, and you're not supposed to do this.
Even back, we have our special guest with us, Mark Crispin Miller, is here.
He's a noted social critic and professor of media, culture, and communications at New York University.
He's the author of numerous books, including Boxed In, The Bush Dyslexicon, and Fooled Again in 2020.
NYU launched an investigation into him after fellow faculty members complain about his unorthodox views and coverage of controversial topics.
His writings currently appear on the substack titled News from Underground and the extended trailer for his documentary.
Well, we're going to play that today.
He's got a new documentary in the works right now.
It's called Reading the World.
The life here, I'll show it to you.
Reading the World, The Life and Times of Mark Crispin Miller.
So welcome to the show.
Welcome back.
Well, Mark Crispin Miller.
How are you, pal?
I'm okay.
How are you?
I'm doing well.
I'm doing well, you know, in getting along with my new friends very well after COVID.
How about yourself?
Oh, no, I think those people are dead to me.
Yes, they are.
It's still painful, you know, because the people who are dead to me are very, very funny comedians, and I miss them.
I miss their humor and their camaraderie, but they really went the wrong way during COVID, and it's painful.
I miss them.
It is.
And it's actually having an effect on how some people view this film.
That's a little teaser for you.
Oh, I want to add, Jimmy, that the director-producer of the film, my wife, Amy Smiley, is actually sitting next to me.
So, you know, if it's appropriate, when we get into the film, she may have some things to say.
Okay, sure.
I just want to let people know that, you know, you've been a big deal in, you know, people who are skeptics of power, the establishment, the oligarchy.
You've been, you've taught a class on how propaganda works at NYU University.
So you've been on the forefront of this.
You're considered an anti-establishment figure and much needed, by the way.
In fact, you've got a lot of praise.
David Foster Wallace said of you, Miller's 1986 Deride and Conquer, the best essay ever written on network advertising, details vividly an example of how TV's contemporary appeal to the lone viewer works.
Also, Katrina Vandeneuvel, who was in charge of The Nation, she says, I say this with praise.
He was a heretic, and heretics challenge the so-called conventional wisdom.
I don't know why she acts like you're dead, but you're still alive.
You're still doing that.
You're still doing it.
I had the same reaction to that quote.
I wish that hadn't been in the past tense because I am still here.
Maybe the Mark Crispin Miller we all do is dead to her.
Anyway, he is the most systemic thinker alive in the world.
So lots of people have said lots of nice things about you.
And the question is: how did a young Shakespeare scholar end up as a leading expert on the propaganda that pervades the world today?
So how did that happen?
That's what this film is going to tell us, right?
That's the arc of my career.
That's the story we're going to tell because it's far more important a story than the one we discussed last time I was on, which was mainly about how NYU tried to get rid of me and also forbid me to teach my propaganda course because you were debunking the propaganda around COVID and they didn't want you to do that.
So they took that course away from you, right?
I wasn't even really debunking it.
I was speaking hypothetically to my students about the fact that most propaganda courses in universities tend to dwell on, they tend to dwell on the past.
The totalitarian propaganda.
And that reduces the subject to a kind of academic exercise.
My view was and remains to be that we study propaganda not so we'll know what the Nazis did and the Bolsheviks did or what happened during the Cold War.
Any decent propaganda course is going to teach the students how to spot propaganda and then how to determine whether it's truth or falsehood.
Okay.
And I used a hypothetical example the first day of class saying, you know, I was teaching it remotely.
So I said, why are we doing this?
You hate this.
I hate this.
We're not in the same room.
Well, it's because of COVID.
Now, there are many things we could discuss about COVID.
Say, for example, you decide to write a paper on masking, all right?
Or we spend a week talking about masking.
I said, if you're going to do that, you have to read all the literature on masking.
I mentioned that all the most rigorous scientific studies on the subject had found that masks don't work.
I told them this.
I said, you will have to read those studies, but you also have to read the studies that recent studies that have been rushed out.
I didn't say rushed out, but that's fined otherwise, right?
So this led one of the students in the class to demand that I be fired for putting the students at risk.
She went on Twitter, and even though she had only 79 followers, it led to three big media hit pieces on me, including NBC News in New York.
Clearly, the university was somehow behind this.
And then a month later, most of my department colleagues demanded that I be investigated, that my conduct be scrutinized.
They accused me not only of telling the students not to wear masks, which I had never done, but they accused me of hate speech and attacks on students.
I mean, it was the whole woke playbook, you know.
And I had done none of these things.
I've never done things like that.
The class had always been very popular.
So they didn't fire me, but they did tell me that for the good of the department, the following semester, I shouldn't teach the course.
And then it turned out that the next semester stretched into the subsequent semesters and they never wanted me to teach it again.
You know, basically, I was found guilty of teaching the slaves to read.
You follow me?
That was the crime.
I've never told my students what to think.
I offer myself as a kind of example of how you go about thinking critically for yourself.
Teaching Slaves to Read00:11:52
Okay.
So the arc of my career, to get back to your original question, you know, I started out as a grad student in English.
I was an English professor for several years.
I studied and taught Shakespeare, Renaissance literature, and also American film.
Now, as I studied the great, you know, films that have come out of Hollywood, I discovered that you can subject these great movies to the same kind of close reading that I had learned in graduate school, you know, to deal with great literary texts.
So I shifted over to the movies.
And then I discovered, idly watching a commercial one day with the sound turned down, I discovered that advertising is just, you know, is also a text.
Advertising is something that we can also, you know, subject to very close reading.
Now, ads are not like great works of literature.
They're not ambiguous or subtle.
Well, no, take that back.
They're very subtle.
And if you watch them with care, you discover what it is they're doing visually to try to get you to buy a deodorant soap or a cigarette or whatever.
So I started studying advertising that way.
So I was beginning to look at propaganda as a close reader, you see.
And this then led me to start looking at political speeches.
I was writing for magazines with human readers as opposed to academics.
I was writing for The New Republic, The Nation, Rolling Stone.
And I was increasingly interested in these kinds of texts, not literary texts per se, not cinematic texts per se, but commercial and political texts.
And then this led me to discover the true depth and scale and nefariousness, dangerousness of propaganda across the board.
And this at a time, you know, you mentioned it was in 2020 that this happened to me.
Well, you know, it couldn't have been a timelier study than it has been since COVID started and then it is now, right?
With this clown show in Washington.
We have been living under a kind of serial bombardment by propaganda since 2020, one thing after another.
So propaganda is not just lies in print or lies that come squawking out of a loudspeaker in the streets of China.
Propaganda often comes at us as events.
And the more closely we study those events, the more we see that these are not natural organic happenings.
Now, this is where some people roll their eyes.
They call me a conspiracy theorist.
But as I told my students back when I was allowed to teach the course, the study of propaganda is very difficult, not intellectually difficult, but psychologically difficult and also socially difficult.
Because if you allow yourself to take a careful, impartial, well-informed look at what the propaganda is saying, you discover that it's false.
And by the way, Jamie, I'm not sitting here posing as someone who's beyond all that.
I'm not acting like someone that this doesn't happen to.
It continues to happen to me.
I continue to discover that something I long believed is actually false and had a purpose that one is obliged to figure out because propaganda, and I'm not exaggerating, in combination with censorship, these things are going to be the death of us.
So the point of my career really has been a growing realization of the danger posed by propaganda.
And, you know, that's why I'm glad to be talking to your audience today.
So just to put a button on the story of your COVID saga and your propaganda course at NYU, you did get some positive press in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
They printed a Matt Taibbi did an article titled Meet the Censored, Mark Crispin Miller.
NYU professor becomes the latest academic to fall foul of the idea police.
So yeah, yeah.
Here's one more from Fire.
They said NYU ignores academic freedom, investigates Mark Crispin-Miller's course content.
And then right at the bottom here, it says, contrary to the faculty members' assertions in their letter, Miller's teaching and extramural, sorry, Miller's teaching and extramural expressions are squarely protected by his right to academic freedom.
So you actually ended up suing your faculty members at NYU over there trying to get you kicked out.
And so how did that turn out?
Yeah, I sued them for libel and it had an interesting effect on the university.
They quickly threw my colleagues under the bus, which was kind of interesting.
And that I think relates to their hidden hand behind all this because I've been canceled many times.
The movie tells those stories.
But the latest and gravest of my sins was to take that critical approach to the COVID propaganda because NYU and big pharma are like peas in a pod.
I could probably come up with a better metaphor than that.
But, you know, what happened with the case was that I lost.
I lost because the courts in New York are like that with NYU.
NYU has a big, you know, famous law school.
Most members of the bench have, you know, had various involvements giving talks for money or they taught at NYU.
And so I lost for no legal reason.
There was no legal justification for my losing the case.
It's just that I came up against power and I couldn't overcome it.
But they threw my colleagues under the bus.
It'll be a cold day in hell before my colleagues do that to somebody else, which is important.
So I'm about to retire.
I'm no longer really at NYU.
So, you know, life goes on and I continue to teach in my own way, right?
Because I think that my teaching, which includes my substack writings and public lectures, you know, this is my life's mission.
We absolutely have to protect democracy.
We have to protect democracy by, you know, taking on the struggle against those things that threaten it.
And I, you know, as the trailer will show, that went through many different iterations.
But the most important one of all is to encourage a careful, impartial, thoughtful study of propaganda so that we know it when we see it, because it tends to hide by disguising itself as something else, right?
Right.
So when you say that the NYU threw the faculty under the bus, how did that manifest?
What did they do?
Well, they laid off me and they, you know, basically, I don't even think there was a review of my conduct, Jimmy.
I think that was horseshit.
Because I never met any student or colleague who'd heard from anybody in the dean's office.
So I think that was a threat.
It was, you know, in preparation of, you know, bidding me farewell.
But they stopped doing that.
And now my colleagues were sort of on their own because NYU didn't want any part of a libel action.
This is the last part I'll play for your new movie, All About Your Life.
Let's get into it.
Horse on propaganda told his class that there is significant evidence masks don't help prevent the spread of COVID.
Wearing two masks or try to get one of those N95 medical grade masks.
Do you believe that that's advisable and makes a difference?
One of the things that the COVID rollout has done is to create a whole new category of forbidden speech.
The vaccine!
And as soon as NYU officials got wind of that, they weren't exactly pleased.
If you raise questions about masking, you raise questions about vaccines, you even question the origins of the pandemic.
You raise any questions at all, you're putting people at risk.
Professor Mark Crispin Miller tweeted that NYU was displeased that he questioned masking in his online propaganda class.
This is where I stepped in it, Jimmy.
Yes, here it comes.
If you guys have been wondering, what did he say?
This is what he said.
I said, you got to read all the studies, right?
All of them.
This is called doing your own research, and you're not supposed to do this.
Even if you're a college professor, you're not supposed to read about COVID.
You're not supposed to read about masks or vaccines or anything to do with the virus or anything.
My chair called and with a kind of forced joviality suggested that for the good of the department, I not teach the propaganda course the following year.
Oh my gosh.
As scheduled.
And as it happens, Jimmy, I have not been allowed to teach it since.
No kidding.
I can't teach it anymore at NYU.
Mark really taught us how to think independently in a way that I hadn't ever before.
Why Greenland Became About Oil00:05:54
And I think it's something I utilize greatly to this day.
I think it's about might makes right.
I think it's about the president wants to have something to his name where he expanded the United States while he was in office.
So what is the real purpose of Venezuela and Greenland?
We all know the real purpose of Iran.
And by the way, he can't get us out of, he's not getting us out of Ukraine, which that's a whole nother story.
But what is the real purpose of Venezuela and Greenland, right?
We all know war is a racket.
It's never what it appears.
So what is it really?
Jimmy, didn't you know it was fentanyl until they found out that Venezuela doesn't make fentanyl?
And so then it was cocaine.
But no, it's not just cocaine.
It's narcoterrorism.
And it's funded by the oil.
Now, this is where they lost me completely.
If there's one industry that doesn't need subsidized by the oil industry, it's the cocaine industry, right?
Like I'm pretty sure in the profit and loss balance sheet of Venezuela and the CIA that cocaine is a profit center.
So don't tell me we needed to take their oil to keep them from selling cocaine.
But that's what we did.
And then they said, actually, it's about a quarter of a century old contract that some of these oil companies had with the country of Venezuela.
And we're just coming in to enforce the contract and take their oil.
But when did our soldiers become the policemen to enforce these civil contracts with foreign countries about who's going to drill and refine their oil?
Anyway, so it became about the oil.
But we've got enough oil.
We've got enough, if we want, we could be energy independent in this country.
I think it's about them going away from the dollar, from engaging in trade with countries that were sanctioned.
It was not what they said it was about in the beginning.
They called fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction.
And they said, that's why we got to bomb the boats.
And eventually, well, we got to go into Venezuela.
What is Greenland about?
Oh, by the way, while we're still on Venezuela, the Constitution says that Congress appropriates the money.
Couldn't be more clear.
Okay.
It's our job to write the checks.
The founders made that the case.
But the president and his geniuses at the White House have created a second treasury that's in Qatar.
They're saying we're going to take all the oil money and we're going to put it in a bank overseas.
So one of my questions is, why does the bank need to be overseas when you create your second treasury?
I think it's to hide it from the long arm of the law, from the judges who would say, that is Congress's money.
We're going to take that and put it in the treasury.
You can't have money that you spend.
Like it's one thing to confiscate money from another country, but it's another thing to spend it.
And I was talking to a lawyer about this who was troubled, as troubled as I was about the president, the executive branch, taking the role of Congress to appropriate money.
And I said, but doesn't the CIA do this every day?
And he said, yes, but you, Congress, wrote a law that lets the CIA do this.
You've created no law to let the president have this alternate treasury that he can spend money out of on whatever he wants.
And so what is Greenland really about?
So this, like what Venezuela was about, how that morphed, Greenland is morphing as well.
Sometimes it's about the president didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize.
Like he literally said that in his letter, and that was part of the reason.
I've hear people say, oh, there's resources there that can be mined.
The most recent thing I hear is that it's necessary for the defense of our country, that if we're going to have our own golden dome, we need to have this piece of land to set things up on.
My issue with that is whatever it costs to acquire Greenland, you can create an oil rig or a floating platform anywhere, you know, offshore, somewhere in the ocean.
I mean, Elon Musk is landing rockets backwards on floating platforms.
We can have a missile defense that's mobile and it's probably much more defensible that way.
Like, can you imagine if the United States missile defense was like in one hole that we drilled in Greenland and everybody was watching because they knew that's why we were doing it?
All you got to do is take that place out and then you could take out our missile defense.
You'd be much better to have platforms that move around.
So I don't think it's, and by the way, we do have some of that equipment.
I'm not sharing secrets to tell you that we have floating platforms in the Pacific.
You can see them with the big white dome.
I've visited on congressional trips, but you can see these from satellites and people know what they are.
I'm not giving anything away.
So I don't think it's about the missile defense.
I think it's about might makes right.
I think it's about the president wants to have something to his name where he expanded the United States while he was in office.
President's Expansion Ambitions00:00:45
Okay.
So, okay.
That makes as much sense as anything because we already have an agreement with Greenland.
We can do military exercises there.
We can have our military bases.
We can have things there.
So we already have it.
So you're right.
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