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	I want to let you know on November 6th, we're going to be in Baltimore.
	November 11th, we're in Tempe, Arizona.
	November 12th, we're doing Los Angeles in Studio City.
	November 19th, Los Angeles in Studio City.
	And then Thanksgiving weekend in Portland, Oregon.
	Go to JimmyDoorComedy.com for a link for all those tickets.
	So So what happened in Virginia, right?
	This is the question.
	Election Day in Virginia.
	What happened?
	So Terry McAuliffe lost.
	He's a corporate right-wing Democrat.
	What happened?
	Why did they lose?
	Well, we offered voters nothing.
	And again, it didn't work.
	What are we doing wrong?
	We keep offering them nothing.
	Hey, somebody asked Hillary.
	I think she's got this.
	She could tell you what happened.
	Actually, it would be scarier at this point if the Democrats were actually trying to win because they're not.
	You mean I'm not the other guy failed again?
	Yes.
	I'm not the other guy is not a strategy.
	And you want to hear what Anderson Cooper said?
	This is what, again, passes for news analysis on CNN.
	And now you know why they're trying to squash channels like this because they can't compete.
	Listen to what he says.
	How much of this is a message just to the Democratic Party that it's too far left?
	How much?
	It's this the Democrats are too far left.
	That's literally what he said.
	Okay, got to stop running radical progressives like Terry McAuliffe.
	Who was, let me check notes.
	He was the co-chair of Bill Clinton's 96 campaign.
	He was the chairman of the DNC from 01 to 05.
	He was the chairman of Hillary Clinton's 08 presidential campaign.
	He's a millionaire, former banker, and a real estate guy.
	Wow.
	They can't let themselves to drift that far left.
	That's really what the problem is.
	Here's Matt Stoller, friend of the show.
	I love that Terry McAuliffe couldn't attack Youngkin's Carlisle group.
	So Youngskins, who's the Republican, was in this hedge fund, and he says he couldn't attack his hedge fund because McAuliffe was an investor.
	Carlisle, I think President Bush, the first President Bush, was a board member of that after he left office.
	Ladies and gentlemen, it's the Democrats.
	Way to go, Matt Stoller.
	Nicely said.
	Nicely done.
	Disclosure forms show that Terry McAuliffe personally invested in Carlisle Group's investment vehicles plus an energy fund.
	McAuliffe's wife also invested alongside Carlisle Partners 4.
	McAuliffe also invested in private equity funds managed by firms like Alliance and Palladin Capital Group.
	So our bank accounts unite us.
	That's the one party.
	There's one party.
	It's the money party.
	And that's the party.
	Friend of the show, Ben Spielberg, said corporate Democrat Terry McAuliffe just lost a very winnable election.
	If pundits were consistent in their electability analysis, the news tomorrow would be dominated by commentary about how corporate policies are a political liability for Democrats.
	But no, what you're going to get is Anderson Cooper going, I think they went too far left.
	What was left about Terry McAuliffe?
	I think he eats with his left hand.
	I think he bats right, throws left.
	I think that's what it is.
	Do you want to see how lefty Terry McAuliffe is in Virginia?
	He was endorsed by Bill Crystal.
	Tonight I have the leading conservative in America here, Bill Crystal, who's endorsed my campaign for governor.
	He's bragging about that.
	Bill Crystal.
	Did you know that, Nick?
	Bill Kristol endorsed Terry McAuliffe.
	This was the entire Democratic establishment being rejected because you had Kamala Harris down there.
	Yeah.
	You had Biden.
	How did American people react to Barack Obama's speech where he pretty much told voters that they shouldn't expect anything?
	Don't expect anything.
	So he gave a dry speech.
	That's what he told people.
	And this is their response.
	So this is always the lie.
	And they want to take down independent media for misinformation.
	This is misinformation on behalf of CNN.
	That's right.
	This is a right-wing scumbag that they're trying to paint as a sort of leftist.
	He was against qualified immunity, Jimmy.
	Jesus Christ.
	Republicans support in and qualified immunities.
	If you look at the polls, he's to the right of Republicans on law enforcement.
	And that's the guy that's trying to say, is this some kind of lefty?
	The lies is insane.
	So just so you people know what qualified immunity is, it's when cops commit violence against a citizen, it's super hard to sue them in court or prosecute them because of what this, there's a special cutout for them in the law called qualified immunity.
	And so they want to get rid of that.
	Terry McAuliffe doesn't.
	As Nick says, Republicans want to get rid of that.
	And even Terry McCullough is to the right.
	But Anderson Cooper will tell you he's a lefty.
	But here it is.
	He's bragging that he's getting endorsed by one of the biggest neocons in the world, warmongering, bloodthirsty maniac Bill Crystal.
	And guess what the shit libs tell him?
	Bill Crystal endorsement will be big, trust me.
	That's Jennifer Rubin.
	She's from the Washington Post, right?
	Isn't that who that is?
	Yes.
	So that's the shit libs.
	I think she meant to DM that to him.
	I don't think she really should have tweeted that out.
	And so I think that kind of endorsement could torpedo his campaign.
	And I think it did.
	But in fairness, Bill Crystal never saw a torpedo.
	He didn't like it.
	Am I right?
	Come on.
	By the way, he got all the lefties out.
	Here's Randy Weigengarden spoke at, could you get someone with she has negative charisma?
	She is repulsive to the voting voters of America.
	She is the corrupt, 100% corrupt president of the teachers union.
	That's who you got.
	You got another person who's captured by corporations, a corrupt union leader who has negative charisma.
	Hey, let's bring her out.
	Someone who reinforces every bad stereotype that you ever had of a teacher.
	That's who she is.
	If you ever hated a teacher, she's going to remind you of that teacher you hated.
	We're coming for you.
	So that's who he teamed up with.
	So he teams up with Bill Crystal.
	He teams up with the Lincoln Project.
	We're coming for you.
	I think they meant that Terry McAuliffe made them come.
	That's the Lincoln.
	You know who the Lincoln project is, right?
	They're a bunch of fucking crazy neocon right wingers who just didn't like Trump.
	But they're the scum of the earth.
	They're the Lincoln Project.
	And you want to know what the Lincoln Project did?
	They did a stunt where they tried to make this is what they did.
	After rumors circulated that the stunt was lost.
	So what they did was they hired these guys to dress up like the tiki torch racist guys and go pretend that they were supporting the Republican for governor.
	Well, it was quickly found out that obviously that's a stunt.
	Obviously, that was a psyop paid for by Terry McAuliffe.
	Oh, well, it was the Lincoln Project, actually.
	So after rumors circulated that the stunt was launched by Youngston's political adversaries, the Lincoln Project claimed responsibility.
	It was later revealed that the demonstrators were paid by the nonprofit to position themselves as white supremacists affiliated with Young's Kin as part of a disinformation campaign against him.
	So there's the Democrats doing exactly what they blamed the Russians for doing.
	They're doing a complete fake news disinformation program.
	That's a psyop program being funded by the Lincoln Project, the Democrats' buddies.
	You know, I don't know if I can come.
	I mean, that's a good plan.
	I mean, it's certainly better than, you know, keeping the promises that you made to the voters.
	It's certainly better than that.
	How about you just try that?
	And by the way, here's what Glenn Greenwald said about it.
	Democratic Party operatives, MSNBC analysts, and their Lincoln Project allies got caught perpetrating a deliberate fraud today, all with racism and racist discourse as their plaything.
	So now they're yanking you around, trying to press your morality button by using racism.
	They're yanking you.
	None of those people will suffer any career consequences because their circles are happy that they did this.
	It's okay to lie.
	They became what they claim to hate.
	Liars, fraudsters, manipulators, fake purveyors of fake news and conspiracy theories.
	That's what the Democrats are.
	Why?
	Because they're owned by the same fucking people.
	The Lincoln Project, Terry McAuliffe, Yunkin, they all are owned by the same fucking people.
	So that's all they can run on is critical race theory or bathrooms or tiki torches.
	That's all they can run on.
	CNN, James Clapper, gets caught lying to the Senate.
	CNN hires him.
	Andrew McCabe gets caught lying to the FBI.
	CNN hires him.
	Lincoln Project gets caught perpetrating a racist fraud and CNN invites them on.
	CNN, why does nobody trust us and watch us?
	Huge mystery.
	Huge mystery why Joe Rogan dwarfs CNN's numbers, why this show does better than CNN.
	Obama sharply criticizes Yunkin in Virginia's race.
	So they got Obama to go down there and give up that bullshit speech that we already talked about.
	That speech where he told everybody, don't expect anything.
	Biden lays into Trump while campaigning for Terry McCaule.
	So they're still running against Trump.
	Because they got nothing to offer you.
	I bet you Biden doesn't even know Trump isn't president anymore.
	I mean, this is the guy who thought he's, I don't know if you remember, but he was the guy who thought he was running for Senate.
	He probably thinks Trump's running for governor.
	Yeah, remember when Joe Biden goes out?
	I remember the Senate.
	Oh, here it is.
	Don't Texas Virginia.
	Kamala Harris rallies for McAuliffe in Dumfries.
	Don't Texas Virginia, she says.
	Catchy.
	A way better plan than keeping promises to voters.
	You know what?
	Terry McAuliffe lost with the entire political establishment behind him.
	Neoliberalism is dead.
	It's not dead.
	They're just going to pass it back and forth between Republicans and Democrats.
	Democrats lean hard into culture wars because they are either one lefties who can't read a room or establishment funkies who don't want to deliver on anything else.
	The latter.
	The campaign on January 6th, then Trump is bad because they don't want to actually fight for policies for the people.
	Terry McAuliffe is just another shitty Clinton Democrat in a long line of shitty Clinton Democrats.
	They are no longer capable of beating Trumpism unless the country is in the throes of a massive crisis like a pandemic or an economic depression.
	That's right.
	If it wasn't in a pandemic, Joe Biden would not have beat Trump.
	Trump lost because of the pandemic.
	Congrats, Terry McAuliffe, on the upcoming MSNBC contract or a corporate lobbyist position.
	That's from our guest today.
	Hell, TYT might even reach out.
	There you go.
	Matt Stoller says, I have views on what Democrats are doing wrong politically, but the basic issue is that we are out of touch.
	I've never seen such wildly pro-labor sentiment in America in my lifetime.
	But the Democratic governing class has no connection to the working class.
	None.
	Zero.
	Because they're in bed with white-collar suburbanite voters and Wall Street.
	That's where they're.
	Chuck Schumer said, for every blue-collar worker we lose, we're going to pick up a white-collar voter in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Illinois.
	And you can repeat.
	Remember that?
	There you go.
	I haven't seen a better example of this problem, talking about the Democrats being out of touch with workers.
	He hasn't seen a better example of this than Tara McGowan, who literally ruined the Iowa caucuses with an app that couldn't count votes.
	And yet Silicon Valley billionaires just bestowed her with tens of millions of dollars.
	McGowan's husband, Michael Hale, ran the McAuliffe campaign.
	If I was a Democratic Party, I would simply pass the bills that are wildly popular and will improve folks' lives.
	And then I run on them in the next election.
	That sounds like violence.
	So here is one.
	So, Nick, have you heard this?
	There's this critique going around now, and I'm going to talk about it.
	So Biden has been Mr. Projab.
	Vaccines for Everybody.
	And to the point where the head of the vaccine department at the FDA resigned over Joe Biden's unscientific push for these boosters.
	And now, which made no news.
	We mentioned it here on the show every day, but no one else mentions that.
	And now the person who was standing in the way of Joe Biden's bullshit is now out of the way.
	So now guess what?
	Five to 11-year-olds are going to start getting vaccinated.
	So here's what Matt Stahler says.
	Now, Matt Stahler, you know, he's an insider guy.
	He knows what's happening inside Washington.
	He says, Biden has not handled the pandemic well because he has empowered media-hungry bureaucrats like Fauci to make political choices when the country has decided it prefers normalcy to endless panic and control.
	I was just in Florida.
	Nobody's wearing a mask.
	Nobody's scared of COVID.
	Everybody's living their life and they have the lowest COVID rates in the country.
	They decided to treat it.
	Why?
	Because you can treat COVID with monoclotals.
	Turns out you could treat it and they're 85% effective.
	So if you don't have a comorbidity and you're not elderly, you get COVID, you get your monoclotals.
	You'll be fine.
	The Democrats are facing a real dilemma when it comes to COVID.
	Post-vaccines, most people want to resume a more or less normal life.
	But a not insignificant minority remain fairly scared and locked in their goddamn apartments like Chomsky.
	That latter group is disapproportionately Democratic.
	This won't be easy to navigate.
	So all the Democrats have is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.
	That's all they're doing.
	They're not getting you healthcare.
	They're not getting you a minimum wage.
	They're not giving you student debt relief.
	They're not giving you better working.
	They're not giving you anything except mandates and vaccines.
	And people are ready to give and masks, mandates, lockdowns, mandates, and masks.
	That's all they're giving you.
	And people are done with it.
	That's what these people on the left are saying.
	Matt Stoller goes on.
	He says liberals just don't get it.
	The pandemic and COVID are different things.
	COVID is a disease.
	The pandemic is a politically constructed determination.
	You get what he's saying?
	We are not in a flu pandemic because we have decided politically that the flu is something we have to deal with in a normal society.
	COVID makes you sick.
	The pandemic is a rationale for making lots of public policy decisions about who can travel, who can work, get educated, sell medicine, and so forth.
	COVID can decline as the pandemic continues and vice versa.
	So a pandemic is something you decide you're in, and an endemic is also something you decide you're in.
	When do you decide you're in an endemic?
	When this country decides we're going to fucking live with it.
	So you see those other countries opening up.
	Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, they're opening back up, not because they beat COVID, but because they've decided we're going to live with it.
	People who get COVID have a 0.89% hospitalization rate.
	Under 1% of the people who get COVID end up hospitalized.
	The majority of them are people who are obese, have comorbidities, or elderly.
	So the rest of the world should go on with their life.
	That's what they're saying.
	That's what Matt is saying.
	That's a big deal.
	People are ready to go on with their life.
	Yet there's a big minority of Democrats who are scared to death and still shitting their pants over big pharma fear propaganda that has been played at them, targeted at them through Pfizer-owned media.
	That's what's going on.
	So what do you make of that, Nick?
	Let me bring in Nick Cruz from Fred Hampton Leftist.
	What do you make of that critique about that?
	Well, we know the Democrats aren't offering them anything, but this pandemic, then the way they're handling it is horrible.
	Yeah, this is exactly what we've been saying at Friendly Leftist.
	I'm glad that Richard Wolf was also making this point.
	This was a giant opportunity for the left to connect with a lot of these people that are upset with the mandates and the policies that the Democratic Party implemented during the COVID crisis because we've been highlighting the fact that they missed this giant opportunity because we've seen them getting washed in this last election.
	And you mentioned before how Trump lost because of COVID-19.
	That's also because he missed a giant opportunity.
	Like all you have to do, if you just give people health care, like Joe Biden and the Democrat Party, they legalize marijuana nationally, for example, they will win.
	It's not complicated.
	They just choose not to because it's part of the grift.
	He was talking about the Lincoln Project.
	They want to call independent media grifters, but that's the biggest grift in politics today.
	The Lincoln projects.
	They made millions of dollars.
	They get donated from shit lives and they lose elections.
	The Driple C is the biggest grift that there is in politics.
	They can easily win these elections just by having good policy by making sure they actually advocate for a good policy that people actually care for, but they don't.
	And they don't care if they lose as a result of that.
	And a lot of people, and I'll warn people about this, no matter how they feel in their little neoliberal group thing where they approve of mandates, like we know mandates are not popular among the working class.
	And a lot of these people are uprising because of that.
	And they're going to lose these elections.
	And that's going to play a giant part of that because a lot of people don't like that.
	A lot of working class people that they need their votes are not going to come out because not only they've been disappointed, because once again, they politicizing and making COVID about the culture war, just like the right did.
	Because you said that Trump lost because of COVID.
	I think Trump easily could have won that election if he just gave people health care.
	He could have easily sold that to his base.
	Because Trump could have convinced anyone, his entire MAGA army.
	He's like, yo, we can have Patriot Care.
	Call it Patriot Care or something like that.
	And they would have went for it.
	He could look, this is a national emergency.
	We need to pay Americans $1,000 a month.
	Call it Patriot, UBI, or something like that.
	And they will went for it.
	If he did that, remember when Trump bucks happened?
	When he gave people that one-time payment and they were like, oh, Trump gave us money.
	We don't care.
	But if he kept that up, he could have easily won.
	So we see both parties, they are willing to lose in order to make sure they take care of their donors.
	It's a game to them because if they lose, as I mentioned before, they can become a corporate lobbyist.
	They can get a contract at some media institution and they can become rich.
	It's just a game.
	Let's keep going.
	So here.
	I think that the Democrats are coming across in ways that we don't recognize that are annoying and offensive and seem out of touch in ways that I don't think show up in our feeds when we're looking at our kind of echo chamber.
	And I think that there's a message here.
	Yeah.
	The message is stop being so annoying.
	Stop being so authoritarian and start doing something for people that makes their lives better.
	Look, so right now they just gutted the reconciliation, but there's nothing in it.
	They got rid of everything that would help people.
	And this is a great little thread.
	Based on what you know, to what extent do you support or oppose the following components of the Build Back Better plan?
	Paid family and medical leave for new parents.
	70% people support it.
	Allowing Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices.
	72% of the people support it.
	Adding dental and vision benefits to Medicare.
	82% of people endorse that.
	Wow.
	Guess what?
	That sounds pretty divisive.
	Isn't that divisive?
	By the way, Democrats already cut all that shit out of the bill.
	It's already out.
	There's no actual political representation in America, complete regulatory capture by private interest.
	So all we have is culture war shit.
	That's all we have.
	We're going to argue around critical race theory and what bathroom you can use.
	Did somebody say, let's go Brandon on a plane?
	That's what they're talking about.
	When 80% of workers live paycheck to paycheck, it's nuts.
	200,000 people are dead who should be alive right now that died in the last year because they don't have health care.
	200,000 people would still be alive today from COVID, but all they want to do is give you a jab.
	They don't want to give you health care.
	And that's why the Democrats are going to lose.
	But it doesn't matter.
	Then the Republicans will get in power.
	They'll suck.
	And then the Democrats will win.
	It's just, they just pass the torch back and forth.
	They just work for the same people.
	And sorry, Democrats, but this is what happens when you break all your promises to voters.
	These voters didn't abandon the Democrats.
	The Democrats abandoned the voters.
	Perhaps emailing student debtors were turning your student loan payments back on didn't bring Virginia Democrats to the polls because that's what's happening.
	They're going to reinstate student loan payments are starting next year, right in February, I think.
	Corporate Democrat Terry McAuliffe just lost a very winnable election.
	If pundits, we already read that one.
	Democrats hate working people so much.
	They'd rather lose political power than enact a single popular policy that helps us.
	I don't know how, I don't know if they hate workers.
	They certainly have disdain for them, but they love their donor cash, and that's all it is.
	And it's not just donor cash.
	It's that they know they can get a job in that private sector, whatever they want, if they do the bidding of a corporate donor.
	Here's another thing.
	Hey, Terry McAuliffe, don't ever dance.
	What is it with politicians?
	Elizabeth Warren did this too.
	It's the worst thing you could do.
	Joe Biden actually handles this the right way.
	Watch this.
	What is he doing?
	Hey!
	Hey, hey, how you, hey, Mr. Sister, sister, mister.
	What is he doing?
	What is he doing?
	That's the one time Joe Biden got it right.
	Just stand there, don't move.
	Okay, point at somebody.
	Got it.
	Being the neoliberal does something to your soul, man.
	I promise you.
	So that's my breakdown of what happened in Virginia, what's going to keep happening.
	And for me, the only silver lining here is that people probably are waking up and they realize that we need another major political party in America.
	Now, the Green Party has been trying since the 90s, and I don't think they're going to make it because they haven't.
	And their biggest opportunity was last year, and they completely shit the bet.
	They elected a mumble mouth guy who repeated CIA talking points, and they're supposed to be a third party.
	So they got wiped out.
	So the People's Party, that's what we got to look forward to.
	We got to look forward to a third party getting in the debates, putting pressure on them, and changing the political discourse.
	That's what we have to.
	I mean, electorally, that's what we have to do.
	What else should we be doing, Nick?
	Yeah, that's why we hold in general strike summits, because I'm a big fan of horizontal movements and putting direct pressure on the establishment.
	I think that should be our primary focus.
	But you can do that through thorough parties.
	One thing I did not like is you can easily have like Green Party, People Party people organizing and coordinating strikes together and organizing fights against establishment together.
	And this is the kind of left-wing movements that we need to challenge establishment and pretty much an off all-out attack against establishment.
	That's what I'm for.
	Like, you see how willingly the Justice Democrats are willing to sell you out in order to protect their party.
	That's exactly what they're doing when they side with the neoliberal class.
	That's exactly what they're doing.
	So you can't trust those people.
	You can't trust the top-down approach.
	And that's why we're having General Strike Summit so we can talk about strategies where we can take the power back ourselves, where we can come together as a left community and put power, put actual pressure on the establishment through hurting the economy if we have to.
	Where can people view that?
	Is that an online summit?
	Yeah, we're going to be streaming next weekend.
	We're streaming from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m.
	I know you're going to be joining us on Saturday, but we got an entire great lineup of guests that we have scheduled.
	We're going to have labor leaders.
	We're going to be talking about the history of strikes.
	It's pretty much a three-day pro-labor event.
	And I think we need to start spreading awareness because a lot of people will acknowledge that having a general strike and striking against the capitalist class is hard, especially considering the state that UN and the left is in right now.
	So our position is, okay, if it's hard, let's get started.
	So do you support having a general strike?
	Do you support strikes or do you not you?
	Because I acknowledge that it's hard.
	So we need to start the communication process so we can actually start organizing instead of just doing this thing where we trust politicians, right?
	I got you.
	Hey, so everybody check that out next weekend.
	Fred Hampton Leftist hosting the general strike summit.
	I want to let you know in November 6th, we're going to be in Baltimore.
	November 11th, we're in Tempe, Arizona.
	November 12th, we're doing Los Angeles in Studio City.
	November 19th, Los Angeles in Studio City.
	And then Thanksgiving weekend in Portland, Oregon.
	Go to JimmyDoorComedy.com for a link for all those tickets.
	You know, we are not anti-vax at this show.
	We are anti-mandate, right?
	And that is supposed to be the lefty position.
	And Dr. Richard Wolfe tweeted this out yesterday and made some news.
	It says it's not pro versus anti-vaccine.
	The issue is class struggle.
	Have employers, dictates, mandates become intolerable for employees, record job quitting, plus strikes, plus refusals of mass vaccine mandates.
	Say yes.
	So I just want to remind everybody that Dr. Richard Wolfe is standing on very solid ground when he says this because this is Dr. Fauci, when he was first asked about mandates last year, about 10 months or 12 months ago.
	And do you foresee that the vaccine might be mandated for any populations, perhaps for school-aged children?
	No.
	I don't think you'll ever see a mandating of vaccine, particularly for the general public.
	Sometimes in the health sector, like in my hospital here at NIH, you're not going to be allowed to go on the ward unless you get a flu vaccine.
	But you would never mandate, at least I do not think you would.
	I'd be pretty surprised if you mandated it for any element of the general public.
	Now, as a primary care physician myself, who's had many conversations around vaccine safety with patients.
	I'm curious, what's our contingency plan for people who might refuse the vaccine?
	Well, I mean, they have every right to refuse vaccine.
	I don't think you need a contingency plan.
	If someone refuses the vaccine in the general public, then there's nothing you can do about that.
	You cannot force someone to take a vaccine.
	Okay, that was Dr. Fauci a year ago.
	Here's also Nancy Pelosi a year ago.
	So here's the thing.
	We cannot require someone to be vaccinated.
	That's just not what we can do.
	It is a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn't.
	So it seems like Dr. Fauci and Nancy Pelosi are talking about a principle.
	And those are the principles that lefties are supposed to be adhering to.
	And so that's not about, well, if the science changes, then we can manage.
	That's not what they're saying at all.
	They're saying, no, you can't do this as a matter of principle.
	Joe Biden was also asked last year when he was president-elect, are you going to enforce mandates?
	And here's what he says.
	Are you going to enforce mandates?
	No, I don't think it should be mandatory.
	I wouldn't demand to be mandatory, but I would do everything in my power.
	Just like I don't think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide.
	But now people are thinking differently.
	This is from the ACLU.
	It says, far from compromising them, vaccine mandates actually further civil liberties.
	They protect the most vulnerable people with disabilities and fragile immune systems, children too young to be vaccinated, and communities of color hit hard by the disease.
	Now, what is the argument against that?
	Well, first of all, it's funny that they put liberty and mandate in one sentence.
	That's very funny.
	And Robert Malone, who invented the mRNA vaccine technology, retweeted that and said, war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.
	But here's the argument against what the ACLU just said.
	The argument: coronavirus immunity passports are not the answer.
	A system of immunity passports in the United States threatens to exacerbate racial disparities and harm the civil liberties of all.
	Any immunity passport system endangers privacy rights by creating a new surveillance infrastructure to collect health data.
	An immunity passport system would divide workers into two classes, the immune and the non-immune.
	And the latter might never be eligible for a given job short of contracting and surviving COVID-19 if an immune worker is available to take the slot.
	Given the lack of scientific support for reliable immunity determinations, no significant policy decisions should currently be made on the basis of presumed immunity.
	There are better ways to both advance public health and protect individual rights that we should focus on in order to emerge from this crisis without creating a new privacy invasive data infrastructure that threatens everyone's rights.
	And who was the who said this?
	Who was giving the counter narrative, the argument against the ACLU?
	Well, it turns out it was the ACLU.
	So that's what the ACLU used to always think, like all lefties think.
	But now everybody's changed their mind from Fauci to Pelosi to Biden to the goddamn ACLU, which we know turned into a bunch of shit libs and because of Trump.
	So guess what?
	Why do you have a vaccine mandate if the vaccines no longer prevent transmission?
	So you're going to get, as Andy Slavet, the COVID director said, Biden's, everyone's going to get COVID.
	You can't get away from it.
	It's like the flu.
	You can't get rid of the flu.
	You can't get rid of COVID.
	And the vaccine no longer prevents transmission.
	That's according to the CDC.
	Now, you tell me what the rationale for mandates are.
	It's not about health because vaccines protect the person who got the vaccine.
	It no longer protects the person who didn't.
	So if you need the vaccine, you should get the vaccine because it will protect you from serious illness and hospitalization.
	But it will no longer prevent you from transmitting it.
	So a mandate to get a vaccine to protect other people is anti-science.
	And they're doing it.
	9,000 New York workers leave as a vaccine mandate takes effect.
	So those are cops.
	Those are medics.
	Those are EMT.
	Those are firemen.
	Nurses are in short supply.
	Employers worry vaccine mandate could make it worse.
	Chicago school bus drivers quit in droves.
	10% of their bus drivers quit.
	Those are blue-collar workers of color.
	Workers rally against New York Presbyterians' COVID vaccine mandate for staff.
	And by the way, only 20%, 80% of young black New Yorkers are vaccinated.
	So this is who this is a war on, young black, young people of color.
	Everybody thinks it's dunking on Trumpers, but it's also dunking on the most vulnerable workers in our society.
	Here's the New York governor orders National Guard to fill New York hospital shortages caused by staffers not vaccinated against COVID.
	You're firing healthcare workers in the middle of a pandemic.
	I don't think this is about health.
	And you're replacing them with National Guard who also are not mandated to be vaccinated until June 2022.
	Did you know that?
	That half the National Guard aren't vaccinated and they don't have to be mandated until June 2022.
	So this isn't about health.
	Black Lives Matter of Greater New York blasts the vaccine mandates as racist and disrespectful.
	Is he a Trumper?
	Richard Wolf says it's not pro versus anti-vaccine.
	The issue is class struggle.
	Have employers dictates mandates become intolerable for employees.
	Record job quitting strikes refusals of max vaccine mandates say yes.
	Anti-mandate movement is not all right wing or anti-vax.
	Its labor militancy component deserves interest and support.
	It's an important opportunity to fight the right and build the left.
	So let me, and by the way, let me just, just to drive this point home, you're going to mandate somebody who already had COVID get a vaccine, even though they have greater immunity than the vaccine provides.
	This was asked to Dr. Fauci by Dr. Sanjay Goo.
	There was a study that came out of Israel about natural immunity.
	And basically the headline was that natural immunity provides a lot of protection, even better than the vaccines alone.
	What are people to make of that?
	So as we talk about vaccine mandates, I get calls all the time.
	People say, I've already had COVID.
	I'm protected.
	And now the study says maybe even more protected than the vaccine alone.
	Should they also get the vaccine?
	How do you make the case to them?
	You know, that's a really good point, Sanjay.
	I don't have a really firm answer for you on that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So now you know this mandate is complete bullshit and has nothing to do with health.
	He doesn't even have an answer for a question he knew was coming because there isn't an answer for it.
	But he is captured.
	You know what regulatory capture means.
	That's what this guy is.
	He's the poster boy of it.
	So now let me bring in Dr. Richard Wolf.
	Always happy to talk to him.
	He's the host of YouTube show The Economic Update, Democracy at Work, author of many books, including his most Recent, the system is the sickness when capitalism fails to save us from pandemics or itself.
	Pleased to have with us Professor Richard Wolf.
	Thanks for coming on.
	Thank you, Jimmy.
	Glad to be here.
	So now, how would you respond to what you just saw here and the pushback you got from just saying that?
	Explain to people how about this is a class, this is about class struggle.
	Okay, I'd be glad to.
	I think the way to start is to recognize and to applaud, at least if you come from the political directions that you and I share, Jimmy, that there is a kind of rising of working people that we haven't seen in a long time.
	The government keeps these statistics about people who quit.
	We are having record numbers of American workers, many of them returning to jobs after the pandemic and taking a long, hard look at that job and coming to the conclusion, if I can quote from a country and Western song from a few years ago, you can take this job and shove it.
	And that's what they're figuring out.
	Now, it's not the best moment.
	It's a risk they take.
	Jobs are scarce.
	But you know, when people have had it, when it has built up for too long and it's too strong, they may not choose the best moment, but they said, I'm out of here.
	I'm not going to be treated like this anymore.
	Number one.
	Number two, we're seeing a strike wave, the likes of which we haven't seen for a long time.
	You know, Kellogg, Nabisco, John Deere, there's a whole bunch of them.
	And many that we don't even know about that are smaller and don't get coverage.
	But I want to make a point about that.
	It is getting more coverage than labor struggles used to get.
	It's almost as though people in the media all over the place smell or sense that something is going on.
	And so for me, when I watch the working people that I know saying, I don't want to be mandated, I understand that it's mostly not about the details of the science.
	They're not familiar with all of that.
	It's not about that they don't believe in vaccines.
	They've been vaccinating themselves and their children for a long time and it's a normal procedure of life.
	But they don't want to be told again what they must do by pharmaceutical companies and government bureaucrats for whom they have lost what little respect they had.
	And so they're pushing back.
	And if they don't get a vaccine, I think that's a shame.
	I'm vaccinated.
	I'm glad I'm vaccinated.
	I understand your position about it as well.
	But I don't see this as an issue so much of science or of what the CDC says.
	This is a movement that the left should be in there saying you're right to be angry at mandates.
	That didn't have to be done.
	There's a hundred ways you can organize to talk about and to work out procedures, have your different scientific points of view presented in a rational way, and then make a democratic decision that allows people the personal and private decisions they want to make.
	The rest is a scare campaign.
	And I've seen them before.
	And the ultimate objective in my mind is to reestablish the ability of those who like to give other people mandates with a position to do so.
	And I don't think the left belongs there.
	Last point.
	I know the people on the right, the right-wingers, they want to get in on this too.
	They would like to move the anti-mandate movement in their direction.
	They want to do that.
	We should be in there saying, no, no, you don't have to go in that direction.
	You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer.
	You can take that impulse, that feeling, and join with other people to change the system that oppresses you and not to get lost in some detail of science and medicine that really isn't the issue for us at this time.
	So, well, very well said.
	So you don't even need the fact that a mandate is anti-you don't even need that argument is what you're saying.
	And you're saying that it's a blunder of the left to seed this argument, this cause over to people to the right, and then people will suck people because they're the only ones talking about it.
	I cannot, Richard, I couldn't.
	Yours was the first critique I have found of any of the establishment COVID narrative policy from the left be perspective.
	I haven't seen, I've been the only one out there that I know of on the left giving an actual critique, oh, with Max Blumenthal, from the left.
	And also we had on Michael Tracy.
	And from the left, and no one else seems to see it.
	It's the same people who were telling you the truth about Russia Gate, the same people who were telling you the truth about Syria, Venezuela.
	Those are the same handful of people who are telling you the truth, giving you a critique anyway.
	At least there's a critique from the left on the establishment policies surrounding COVID and mandates.
	And I think your credentials are impeccable.
	And you make the great argument that we cannot cede this to the right wing.
	And you do not have to push people away.
	I make the scientific argument that it's ridiculous.
	You're making the lefty critique that it divides class and it divides workers and we shouldn't let this happen.
	No, it's even stronger.
	It takes workers who are becoming militant, critics of the job situation, critics of the way they're treated on the job and by the government that the corporations control anyway.
	These people are beginning to move in quitting and striking.
	We should be in there.
	We should be applauding what they are doing.
	Sure, people make mistakes all the time, but we, I'll use your language, Jimmy, we're seeding it to the right.
	If we allow the liberals and the others to collapse the people fighting against the mandate as if they were all people who were, you know, against vaccines for anybody out of some abstract notion of science that isn't supported.
	That's not necessary.
	We can be pro-vax, and you've done that well, without being pro-mandate.
	By the way, you know, the whole history of the labor movement is not to allow the employer to dictate to you what you are going to do.
	And, you know, I'm the person who believes that the majority of people have an interest in not letting that happen.
	Do I always agree with the target?
	No, and it doesn't matter.
	This is where people feel strongly right now.
	Just like those who are quitting feel strongly about why they quit.
	And those who are striking feel strongly.
	And that militancy and that criticism of how they are treated, that's a flower to be nurtured on the left, not to be dropped into a bucket as if it's undistinguishable from all of the rest of the right wing.
	And by the way, when anyone says that, you're doing the job of the right wing.
	You're helping cement an alliance between them and this labor militancy.
	And man, that is politically stupid.
	So what do you say to people?
	I've seen Keith Oberman tweet out when the policeman, firemen, and paramedics were marching on the Brooklyn Bridge.
	He tweeted out, fire them all.
	Same thing with teachers.
	They were like, hey, we got teachers who are anti, they don't want to get the vax.
	Fire them.
	Hey, we've got nurses that don't want to get the vax, fire them.
	What do you say to that?
	That to me is just so chilling.
	Yeah, for me, it's a kind of a tragic slippage of these people.
	And I'm trying to be polite, but it's a tragic slippage of these people into reinforcing the very authoritarian hierarchy that we ought to be critics of.
	You know, this is a system that really didn't do a good job.
	I mean, the most important historical fact here is this one.
	The United States has 4.5% of the world's population and 20% of the world's COVID deaths.
	The establishment that ran this program is a failure.
	And a failure is not the one you put in a position to be ordering everybody else around.
	I mean, this is, we could be saying this without allowing anyone to portray us as being against a vaccine.
	You know, I have two kids.
	They were vaccinated when they were born.
	The doctors told me this is important.
	Smallpox, I don't remember them all.
	Hooping cough.
	We do that.
	We've been doing, I don't want to be put in that box.
	That is misrepresenting us, but that does the work of the right wing.
	And I think we should be very, very cautious about that, to say the least.
	Well, I really appreciate you saying all that.
	That's 100% right.
	You know, they'll mandate a vaccine, but they won't mandate you get health care if you get sick from the virus or the vaccine.
	They won't mandate that you have health care.
	And we now know due to studies that when they did this study, 600,000 people in the United States had died from COVID.
	And they determined that a third of those people, 200,000 of them, would still be alive if the establishment, the oligarchy, the government who would have given them Medicare for all.
	We now know that universal health care would have saved 200,000 people's lives.
	And they never talk about that.
	When Fauci talks about how to save lives, he never brings up universal health care ever.
	So you want to give those people the authoritarian power to dictate to workers and they've already failed us.
	That's exactly right.
	Oh, my God.
	You said it so perfectly.
	Let's remember one little additional point, Jimmy.
	We've been closing hospitals in this country for decades.
	We've been closing them because of some stupid notion that this is quote unquote efficient.
	But you have to be a ghoul to have saved that money at the expense of the hundreds of thousands of lives, not just from COVID, but from God knows what other diseases that weren't handled properly because we didn't have the facilities in place.
	You're right.
	That's the mandate that might be arguably something for the good of the people, but that the government having messed up on this on this COVID on a scale that's beyond words on a pharmaceutical industry that only went to work on the vaccines when it was made a riskless, profitable venture by government contracts given in advance.
	Wow.
	And then to say they can mandate this one thing and not deal with all the rest of the problems.
	I mean, really, it pushes you to wonder the folks that fall into that trap.
	And my hope is that people will see through it and understand that the argument about a vaccine is a different matter from the argument about allowing the corporate elite and the government bureaucrats to be mandating to all of us what we must and must not do, especially if the scientific questions are still open about whether it makes any sense on top of it.
	Especially.
	And we've detailed that at this show.
	And the most recent year-long study revealed that vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the virus as the unvaccinated.
	The difference was negligible, 13% difference, which is nothing.
	So the conclusion of the study was everybody's going to get friggin COVID.
	And not that study.
	Andy Slavet said that.
	That's, by the way, accepted by all scientists now.
	They just don't broadcast that on CNN and MSNBC on a nightly basis that everybody's going to get COVID.
	But Andy Slavet, Joe Biden's director for COVID response, tweeted out, everybody's going to get it because the Delta variant is, and the vaccines don't protect against the Delta variant, even the boosters.
	They just make it so that you don't get serious illness or have to go to the hospital, which is what those vaccines do.
	So now even the CDC director admits it no longer prevents transmission.
	So you've got it right from the lefty perspective, and you've got it right from a scientific perspective.
	There's no reason to be for this unless you're an authoritarian who likes to cede power to the oligarchy.
	That's the only reason.
	So by the way, the oligarchy that has already failed our COVID response.
	You know what's going on with the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill.
	So it started out at $6 trillion.
	Then it went down between 1.9, 2.2.
	Then it went down to 1.75.
	So remember, when there was a crisis last March and they had to jump in to save everybody, what they did was they transferred $5 trillion upward to the richest 1,000 people in the country.
	That's called the CARES Act.
	And Bernie Sanders bragged about passing it along with the rest of the squad and every progressive voted for it.
	AOC lied and said she did it, but we proved she did.
	So that's what you get.
	And so now they can't even get anything done.
	What's out of the bill?
	So far, we've said goodbye to paid family leave, tuition-free community college, meaningful climate provisions, expanded Medicare eligibility, vision, hearing, dental, prescription drug price controls, universal non-means-tested child care, tax credit, plus a billionaire tax.
	So the list of priorities important to Senator Bernie Sanders, the senator and Joe Manchin, has killed all of Bernie Sanders' priorities.
	And the list is long.
	There it is.
	Prescription drug prices, comprehensive.
	We just talked about it.
	Climate provision, federal provision, 12 weeks panel.
	There it is.
	The reconciliation bill is shifting from a Sanders product that encapsulating of the progressive movement to a business-friendly and targeted package of programs reminiscent of the 1990s Clintonism.
	So far, Bernie and his allies seem okay with all of this, or they're at least quiet about it.
	And guess what?
	At the same time, the Senate panel just approved an extra $29 billion for the Pentagon, which is $10 billion more than they even requested.
	Now, let's remember just how much money that is.
	It has been estimated that $20 billion could end homelessness.
	They just gave them $29 billion, 10 of it, which they didn't even ask for.
	And there was no town halls.
	There was no Henderson Cooper slurling up his sleeves and going to talk to the people.
	There were no op-eds.
	There were no debates in Congress.
	They just did it.
	That's how much money that they could do.
	So they could end homelessness.
	They could give you health care.
	They could do whatever.
	They could give you a $15 minimum.
	We're the richest country on the face of the earth.
	And what do you call a system that takes the richest country the face of the earth has ever seen and renders half of its population poor or low income?
	You call that a failed system.
	Before COVID, 80% of workers were living paycheck to paycheck.
	50% of wage earners earning $30,000 or less.
	That was before COVID.
	So that's the kind of money they have to throw around.
	It's so weird that the Democratic Party always seems to fail in a way that helps Wall Street and the military-industrial complex.
	I'm sure it's nothing.
	And the Democrats wept for there were no more promises to break.
	So let me bring in Dr. Professor Richard Wolf.
	What do you have to say about the shenanigans that have been going on and what the final result is going to be in this spending bills?
	Well, I share what all of the people that I know and that I work with feel, which is a sense of depression, sadness, regret, tragedy, that the things that we know we need as a society are basically being put aside to give us more of what they have always given us in the past, as exemplified by that defense allocation you just spoke about.
	Let me try to put it a little bit in historical context.
	The United States has had pandemics and problems with viruses before.
	That horrible 1918 so-called Spanish flu killed almost as many people as COVID now has done.
	So we know about the risk of that kind of thing happening.
	And likewise, we have had many economic crashes.
	We had one in the 1930s, a doozy.
	We had another one in 2008.
	We're going through yet another one now.
	But what we have never had as a society is a public health catastrophe at the same time that we have an amazing economic crash.
	This is a combination that has shaken this country to its core, has changed it, has broken cracks open of division that you report on all the time, and that everybody sees and feels.
	That's why we're surrounded with movies about catastrophe, tsunamis and floods and aliens and everything under the sun, because it's a very scary time.
	This needs a response that is adequate and comparable to the level of crisis we now face as a society.
	This is not a time to be whittling down the proposal.
	In my judgment, the catastrophe of COVID, which is going to be with us, let's remember, a long time.
	We don't even know what long-term medical effects of all of this are going to be, how many people are going to be affected, what it's going to cost to take care of them properly, especially when we don't have a national health service and we already pay more for medical care than any other advanced country in the world.
	But we have this historically unprecedented crisis that needs a comparable response.
	What we're seeing is the refusal to do that.
	Cutting it down.
	It wasn't enough in the first place.
	But cutting it down.
	I mean, it strikes me as craziness.
	And I don't want to shy away from the defense.
	We have had three major wars in the last 35 years, 40 years.
	Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
	And in the eyes of the world, in every one of those wars, the American military were defeated.
	I know people don't like to deal with it.
	I know they don't want to face it.
	I know denial is the name of the game.
	But I got to tell you, after a while, denial, you know, doesn't work so well.
	We lost.
	We're not in a position to win.
	We haven't even had a war with a country that has the capability to confront us.
	There ought to be a recognition that there's a historical pattern here.
	When you try to control the rest of the world militarily, it usually, after a while, doesn't work because they figure this out and they mobilize and they do all the things we would do in the United States if we were on the receiving end of any other country treating us this way.
	So it's not working.
	But if you keep throwing money that you can't or won't spend to develop your country inside, you're developing a recipe for the collapse of an empire.
	Because that's how the British Empire, the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, that's how they came to their end.
	They forgot that the first order of business is to take care of your own people.
	And if you don't do that while running around the world, imagining you can control everybody else, everything is going to be taken away from you.
	And I think Americans are already feeling it, sensing it, smelling it in the air, that something is basically wrong.
	And then they go and they find scapegoats, which is again another piece of evidence of a declining empire.
	Come on, let's remember.
	We're a country of 330 million people.
	And we went nuts for a while as a country trying to beat back the poorest imaginable immigrants from Central America, maybe 10 million undocumented.
	In a country of 330 million, they weren't responsible for anything.
	They couldn't have been.
	And getting off on throwing them out, that's again, not facing your real problem.
	And imagining if you do this other thing or beating up on China forever.
	Stop it.
	This is you're wasting our substance without looking at the core of the problem that we have, which is a system, to quote Jimmy Doerr, that isn't working.
	That's the problem.
	It isn't working.
	And it is flailing its arms around trying this and that.
	But that's the behavior of a society that is in trouble but denies it, won't look at it, won't admit it, and then goes off in these scapegoats that just come back to haunt you.
	I'm an economist, Jimmy.
	One last thing.
	I'm an economist.
	What I do for a living.
	The United States has been for a century without a serious economic competitor.
	World War I, the end of the Germans and the British as contesters made the United States the dominant country.
	World War II took out the Japanese who might have, if they had had more time, become a competitor.
	So for a century, we haven't had one.
	We have one now, and you got to face that.
	You can't pretend it isn't there.
	And you can't saber-rattle and hope that that's going to make your problem go away.
	We have a competitor that's new.
	And we have to come to terms with that.
	You know, there's those 12-step programs in this country.
	They all start the same way.
	If you go to them, you have to begin by saying, I have the problem that brings me here.
	Because the theory of all of those programs is that you can't solve a problem if you can't first admit that you got it.
	And we have that as a nation.
	So let me just ask you one.
	So I understand when the crisis happens, that the capitalists transfer money upward.
	That's what they did after the Wall Street crash in 2008.
	That's what they're doing.
	That's what they did in COVID.
	But what stops them from also putting money in the pockets of workers?
	Like, I don't understand the starving of the workers.
	Like, so when we, like, for instance, when the CARES Act, like I said, transferred $5 trillion upward, and they didn't give anything for the workers in there except some piddly unemployment insurance.
	So why not also put some gas in the tank for the workers?
	Like, FDR taught us that if you put money in the pockets of workers, they spend it.
	And so also when they flatten, when they close people's businesses, in other parts of the world, most other parts of the Western world, they paid everyone's salary.
	They didn't do that here.
	In fact, Joe Biden wouldn't even give them the $2,000 check he promised.
	What is in it for the establishment not to give people a stimulus?
	Well, there's several things.
	First, on the thing about other countries, Europeans, they did two things we didn't do here.
	They said to every employer, you cannot fire anyone during this public health.
	It's very important.
	No worker lost his job.
	The job is yours.
	You own it.
	You will get it when this crisis pass.
	And we will pay most of your salary for the employer.
	So you help the employer, but you didn't create in the population the anxiety, will I have a job when this is over?
	What kind of job will I have?
	In the European countries, they said, you never get fired.
	You don't lose your job.
	You don't have that anxiety.
	Not to do that in this country is a cruelty, utterly unnecessary, inappropriate, harsh.
	And that's going to be my answer to the rest of your question.
	Of course, we could give money at the bottom.
	You know, when the government gives money to the top, there's a theory that says this is an appropriate response, and it's called trickle-down economics.
	It's if you give money to the folks at the top, it'll trickle down.
	And it has its grain of truth.
	If you give money to corporations and they see that they don't have to pay taxes, a la Trump, or they get a subsidy or they get a guaranteed contract, they may be willing to hire some more workers.
	They may.
	It may trickle down.
	Rarely does it trickle very much, but it may.
	But here's the important argument.
	It goes the other way much better.
	If you give money at the bottom, here's what we know.
	People who are at the bottom, the lower half of the population, they don't have anything.
	They will spend that money pretty much as quick as they get it.
	So you know it's going to trickle where?
	Up.
	Because when people get money, they go to the store and they buy food, clothing, shelter.
	And who makes that?
	The corporations who will make a damn good profit off all of that spending from below.
	So can you have a trickle-up economic policy?
	Of course you can.
	And Roosevelt, as you correctly say, did a lot of that.
	But here's the important thing.
	Roosevelt didn't do it because he was far-seeing or he was a good guy or he wasn't.
	That's right.
	He did it because the CIO, the greatest labor organizing drive in the history of the United States, we've never had anything like it before.
	We've never had anything like it since.
	They were allied with two socialist parties and a Communist Party.
	And put aside whether you like or you don't like.
	They worked together.
	And they went to Mr. Roosevelt and they made some demands.
	And suddenly, trickle-up economics became doable.
	But, you know, after World War II, they smashed the left in this country, as you know as well as I do.
	And here's the irony of ironies.
	The smashed left is therefore unable to make them do some trickle up.
	And that's what saved capitalism back then.
	And it's not saving it now.
	They're harsh.
	They're not doing it just as you asked me.
	And the irony is it's driving people nuts.
	And they're angry and they're bitter.
	And some of them find hatred for immigrants or hatred for non-white people.
	We all know what some find.
	And others are quitting and striking and deciding that we are not in this game with mandates.
	That's not how this society is going to get itself out of this horror.
	It's going to have to be reorganized as a new and different kind of system.
	You know, when they passed the CARES Act and they shut down everyone's business and they didn't pay their salary like the rest of the Western world did, I said to myself, if the people don't rise up right now, they never will.
	And so now they are with the strike, like with these strikes that are happening.
	Workers are kind of, you know, it's almost like a soft general strike in a sense.
	And do you think that will, I mean, we need a real reorganization.
	You're not kidding when you say that.
	Like we need what Bernie, what Bernie would start every speech in 2015 and 16 by saying, it sounds like you're ready for a revolution.
	We were ready for a revolution.
	We were ready to get money out of politics and everybody get health care, and that will change everything.
	Those two things.
	Do you think we'll ever have that revolution?
	I think we're going to slide into being more and more like Brazil and we're doomed.
	Well, I mean, no, I think there's a chance.
	I see the shoots, you know, like in the spring when the soil warms up and the little seedlings, the shoots come up.
	I see that in the quitting.
	I see it in the strikes.
	I even see it in this mandate, even though I wouldn't have chosen that as a fight.
	I understand that fight.
	I see that fight in this light.
	So I am very, very hopeful that there are signs that the working class, which has been kind of asleep for a long time, at least in terms of facing that the system has to be changed, are beginning, particularly with the younger ones, more and more open to this way of thinking.
	And I think that we're going to see, will it be strong enough to make the changes?
	I don't know.
	But much of what I do, and if I'm reading you right, much of what you do is designed to help that, to make some of these things clearer so that the chances are better that the movement goes in the directions that will make it grow and be stronger and have a clearer sense that we have to change this system.
	You know, it's long past fixing this or passing that law or electing that person.
	We're not there anymore.
	It's too far gone.
	There has to be a systemic change now.
	People kind of know it.
	The question is, do we have the individuals and the clarity to put a program like that together and then go and appeal to the American people?
	And my guess is we're going to be surprised at how much support and interest there will be.
	Of course, the key to any worker uprising is that you drop the usual political divisions and you rally around common interests, correct?
	Yes.
	And I at least as long as you don't have really well-developed political institutions, parties, which we don't have.
	So yeah, we have to.
	And by the way, there's a model that we should.
	I don't know if you've covered this, Jimmy.
	In France, where they have a clown for a leader.
	I mean, just a pathetic Mr. Macron.
	It's really beyond words.
	But he provoked a movement that included the left-wing, the right-wing, the socialists, the conservatives, who had one thing in common, that this government was out of control and unacceptable.
	It started with an anger about a fuel tax, but it went on from there because, you know, it's France.
	It's a different culture.
	But it went on from there to become a much more general, critical motion to which all of the political parties had to pay a lot of attention because if they didn't, they'd lose their own members to it.
	You know, it has its problems too.
	But I think it's a clear sign that we live in a time when new, dramatically different political forms are coming into existence to handle the kind of crisis that we're all living through.
	So you're referring to the Gigilets Jongs, right?
	The yellow vest.
	That's right.
	Right.
	If you look behind me, I don't know if you can see this.
	It's on the wall here.
	Yes.
	Right behind me on the wall.
	I can see it.
	So, yeah, we certainly need a yellow vest movement in this country.
	And I hope, you know, it showed that people will go out and they will protest.
	The Black Lives Matter protests of last summer of 2020 showed that people are willing to get off the couch and go protest things if they think it will help.
	And they think so it would be nice to see people get together.
	But the sad thing that after all that protesting, they got nothing for it.
	And in fact, they got another police agency funded to the tune of $2 billion voted for by the squad.
	But the good news is that people are willing to do it.
	And so if they could do that around economic issues and you have lefties and righties and libertarians and centrists and environmentalists, if you have the whole thing out there joining hands against this system, because, you know, when they shut down a business and they don't give pay your salary, that hurts lefties, righties, libertarians.
	It hurts everybody who's a worker.
	And so we need to find ways to join together.
	And by God, that's what scares the shit out of them.
	Brexit scared the shit out of them.
	The yellow vest scared the shit out of them.
	And whenever you reach across the aisle in the United States to join workers together to fight the oligarchy, that's when they pounce.
	That's when they pounce.
	I agree.
	And that's what scares them.
	But that also tells us what our job is.
	That's right.
	Well, I reached out to some people on the right earlier this year.
	And that's when I got the smear pieces written about me in the Newsweek.
	And everybody came at me on social media.
	The troll farms were out.
	So that's the key to this, right?
	So when we go out there and we march for Medicare for all, we can't be a bunch of lefties out there.
	You know what it matters is when they see a bunch of righties that are with you and a bunch of libertarians and a bunch of centrists.
	When you have broad support for something, they can't ignore it.
	They can dismiss you by saying, oh, those are bunch of Marxists.
	What the hell do they know about anything?
	But now if you have everybody with you from across the political spectrum, they cannot ignore it.
	And that's what we need to do.
	And that's why they fight so hard against that.
	And that's why union organizing is totally, you don't go to the union floor shop and go, hey, who here is a Boogler boy?
	You're out.
	Who's a Trump voter?
	You're out.
	Okay, who's the proud boy?
	You're out.
	Who's a libertarian gunnut?
	You're out.
	All right, who's left?
	Now we're going to organize.
	That's not how it fucking works.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, Dr. Professor Richard Wolf, I really appreciate your time and your insight and your courage to stick your chin out and tell the truth and to help lefties get their head on straight and organize the way they're supposed to.
	So anything you'd like to say before we let you go?
	No, Jimmy.
	I just am very appreciative that we can do what we're doing, that you are doing what you are doing.
	It doesn't matter that we all agree at each on every point.
	It doesn't.
	It matters that the big picture is what we keep talking about and that people think about these bigger questions.
	Don't shy away and realize that it's the big problems we now face.
	You know, a country that neglected, as we are told, its infrastructure.
	What idiot does that?
	If you have a car, you have to change the oil.
	If you have pipes in your house, you got to get a look at, make sure they're not rustic.
	I mean, everybody knows it.
	What does it mean in a society that says we've neglected it for 10 or 20 or 30 years?
	It tells you that there's something terribly wrong in this society and that it's not going to be fixed unless we rise to the occasion and figure out that system change is the solution we have to consider and work for.
	Dr. Richard Wolf is the author Of When Capitalism Fails to Save Us from Pandemics or Itself.
	That book has a very handsome blurb from yours truly on it.
	So check out that book.
	Thank you so much.
	Again, Professor Richard Wolf.
	See you later.
	Thank you, Jimmy.
	Glad to be here.
	Now, Al, why?
	What happened?
	You know, I just watched The Godfather again the other night.
	Godfather One.
	Fantastic work.
	Frederick, your elder brother.
	I can do young Al Pacino, too.
	Oh, can you?
	Frederick, your elder brother, and I love you, but don't ever take sides against the family again.
	I love that it can do young.
	That's not how I. I'm not.
	Go ahead.
	Now, who says that?
	I'm talking about a dirty cop here who is mixed up in drugs and the rackets.
	Where does it say you can't shoot a cop like that?
	Nice.
	Can you say?
	You and your colleague.
	Oh, you're going to get blown all your college soup bang.
	It was that movie.
	How about it?
	Shut the door.
	Hey, Mike, how's it going?
	Hey, good to see you.
	You should easily make me laugh, you know that?
	Yeah, you want to talk business?
	Let's talk business.
	First of all, you're all done.
	The call-only family doesn't have that kind of muscle anymore.
	The godfather's sick, right?
	You'd be a bitch.
	Chased out of Brooklyn by Bozzini, the other families.
	You want to come here and tell me I'm doing my business wrong?
	Holy shit.
	Now I just think you're unlucky.
	You want to come here?
	You want to come here and tell me how to do my business, Mike?
	Is that what you want to do?
	Tell me how to do my business.
	Oh, my God.
	You do Moe Green?
	Is that why you slap my brother around in public?
	Whoa, whoa.
	Hey, Mikey, that was nothing.
	Sure.
	Sure, Mo flies off the handle every now and again, but we're good pals, right?
	We're good buddies.
	ha ha ha ha ha People at the table couldn't get a drink.
	I'm trying to run a business here.
	I got to straighten some people out to get it done.
	Oh, my God.
	You had to straighten my brother out?
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