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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program, the Jimmy Dore Show.
I, for one, am so glad we elected a black president and racism is over, or this Eric Garner thing would really be upsetting.
Yes, racism is over, if it ever existed anyway.
And let's remember that cops kill white people all the time, too.
So there's no problem.
Sure, Eric Garner was choked to death by five cops in broad daylight and caught on video, but come on, you guys.
He was selling loose cigarettes.
So it's totally deserved.
And I agree with Joe Scarborough, who's foaming at the mouth with anger over the people angry about all this stuff.
He made a great point that Michael Brown was a bad guy who stole stuff and was jaywalking, which is why he got shot by that cop.
And we shouldn't be holding up Michael Brown as our heroes.
Joe Scarborough said, if we had better heroes, this stuff wouldn't ever happen.
We should look up to guys like Martin Luther King, who never stole anything and was nonviolent and was also shot.
I guess that's a bad example.
My point is, as Frank Sampa once said, the United States is a nation of laws, badly written and randomly enforced.
Which is why I am 100% confident that if it was a white Wall Street banker that five cops surrounded on the street and choked to death on camera, it would be the exact same outcome.
And let's not forget, this is how our system works.
The evidence was presented to a grand jury and they saw lots of evidence that we weren't privy to.
We only saw the one video that looks like a cop jumped on Eric Garner's back and started strangling him until he was dead.
I bet the grand jury saw another video from another angle that clearly showed Eric Garner choking himself to death.
Let's remember, this is America, and cops are innocent until proven innocent.
And thank God we have a black president who addressed the Michael Brown and Eric Garner murders by quickly doing nothing and telling black people to calm down.
And these cases really bring out the idiots on social media.
I was asked on Twitter recently, quote, if a white cop snatched a black baby and ate it on live TV, then would we have a trial?
Hey, two questions.
Does the baby have a gun?
And two, does he look like he might be reaching into his diaper for a gun?
Come on, you guys.
Context matters.
I mean, sure, the Eric Garner case is upsetting, but let's not lose our focus.
The Rams hurt some cops'feelings last Sunday.
The Rams hurt some cops'feelings last Sunday.
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Hi, everybody.
Welcome to this week's show.
I'm joined in the studio across from me, hilarious comedian, host of Comedy and Everything Else, and the author of the blog, The Miserable Liberal.
It's our resident Latina, Steph Zamarano.
Hi, Steph.
How are you?
Doing great, Jimmy.
Hi, how are you?
Across on the phone, all the way from New York City and Mystery Science Theater 3000.
It's TV's Frank, Frank Connoff.
Hello there.
Yay.
And also joining us sitting in the control room from the Young Turks.
It's Edward Umanya.
Hi, Edwin.
How are you?
I'm doing good.
I'm glad to be alive.
Oh, me too.
Okay, let's get to the jokes before we get to the jokes.
Hey, I don't know if you heard Darren Wilson is resigning from the Ferguson Police Force.
He says he wants to spend more time killing unarmed black men with his family.
Hey, did you hear Rudy Giuliani?
Have you heard what Rudy Gillian?
He's been going off lately.
He's upset over the Mike Brown thing.
Rudy Giuliani and Peter King, they're both co-starring in a new buddy movie.
It's called Racist and Racister.
And the police are, did you know, they're doing this thing criming while white.
Have you heard of this, Edwin?
So people are using the hashtag criming while white, and they're talking about all the crimes they've committed if they're white people and how it wasn't really met with force from the police, right?
So it's all this hilarious stuff.
One guy had a hashtag on Twitter.
He said, one time I punched a cop right in the face and he drove me home.
So police are really upset about the hashtag criming while white phenomenon, but they've decided to let everybody off with a warning.
And the GOP blames Eric Garner's death on a cigarette tax.
Also, Jesus died because of over-regulation in his carpentry business.
And the grand jury saw that saw the video of Eric Garner killing himself and they still didn't indict him.
I'm guessing the grand jury viewed that videotape with all the scrutiny of me watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on an airplane.
And let's at least acknowledge that the police have prevented a nationwide crime wave of jaywalking and illegal cigarette sales.
And don't forget, as long as we videotape all police arrests, we should be able to bring bad cops to justice.
And oh, wait, fuck.
I don't know if you guys have been watching Joe Scarborough, but it's been horrible.
And let me just say this, the stupidity generated by Joe Scarborough in one MSNBC Morning Joe segment could fuel an entire day of Fox News programming.
The decision to not indict Eric Garner was so atrocious.
Charlie Manson said he was pissed off.
We've got Bill Cosby back in the news.
By the way, Bill Cosby, he always liked to work clean.
Did you know that?
He's so morally opposed to working blue and using dirty words that even when he's in hell screaming in agony for eternity, he's not going to curse.
And let's just say this and put an end to everything.
According to what I'm seeing on the cable news shows, the solution to black on black crime is apparently white-on-white punditry.
So what's coming up on today's show?
We're going to talk about it.
We're going to look at the horrible news media reaction to the Eric Garner case.
Plus, we're going to get phone calls today from Rick Perry, two calls from Bill O'Reilly.
Mike from St. Louis calls in, and maybe even Haley Barber, plus a lot, lot more.
That's today on The Jimmy Dore Show.
The Jimmy Dore Show.
Okay, so now we're going to start off with some great reporting and news interviewing by Erin Burnett.
She's fantastic.
She's over at CNN.
And I don't even know how to set this up.
Here she is.
And she's interviewing a guy.
Darren Wilson's attorney, the cop who shot Michael Brown.
She's interviewing Darren Wilson's attorney.
You know, we always say that they don't debunk stuff.
anymore the news media.
What they do is they report both sides of an issue and they pretend like that's reporting.
Hey, look, I pushed back against that guy's BS.
But what they end up doing half the time is pushing back against someone's facts, which is ridiculous, which is what Chris Guomo did against Bernie Sanders, which is ridiculous, right?
So here's Aaron Burnett.
She has a guy on there talking about the Michael Brown no indictment, the Michael Brown no indictment.
And it starts off okay, and then she lets this guy spew a bunch of stuff.
Let's listen to it.
They had 70 hours of testimony, 60 witnesses.
It does beg the question.
If you're going to make them listen to all that, why not put it in front of a real jury?
Do it beyond a reasonable doubt.
A jury, and the entire system is set up to do just what McCullough did in this particular situation.
It's designed to have an initial look at all the evidence.
And there's two ways you can go on this, Aaron.
You could have gone to a preliminary hearing.
Okay, he's wrong already.
So this is the attorney for Darren Wilson, and he's already wrong.
She doesn't stop him, and she lets him keep going.
Let's listen to all the other crazy stuff he says.
I'm a comedian who hosts a show on a public radio show, and I can count the lies this guy's talking.
He's talking to a CNN news anchor who lets him say all this stuff.
Where you would have, in a courtroom, put witnesses on the stand, and you would have presented this evidence to a judge and said to the judge, you make a decision.
Or you could do what McCullough did.
You could put it in front of 12 members of the community.
Now, these were seasoned grand jurors.
These weren't raw grand jurors.
They'd listened to a number of cases.
They'd been sitting, what, two and a half months, three months before they first got this case?
He put it in front of them, and he put everything in front of them.
How can we complain about the way he did this?
Are we going to say that he...
So he's just pretending.
He's just lying, right?
He's pretending that this is a good way to do a grand jury when we've debunked it last week on the show and everybody's debunked it on news all over the place except CNN, apparently.
That's not how you do a grand jury.
A grand jury is a prosecutor comes in, says, this is what I think this guy did.
Here's the evidence I have that shows that's what he did.
You don't give the defense.
You don't give it.
That's a grand, that's what you do at a jury trial.
I don't understand what he says.
They're a very seasoned grand jury.
I mean, a grand jury is like, they're just around forever.
They work on it for years and years and years.
Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about.
Yeah, exactly.
They're not lawyers.
They don't know what the law is.
Like if you see a comedian, you say, wow, he's been performing a lot.
He's very seasoned now.
How has that happened with a grand jury?
Are there people who are just on grand juries all the time?
And who, and by the way, they said this grand jury was sitting for two and a half months.
Who can take two and a half months out of their life to go sit on a jury?
Who are these people?
I just don't know.
I mean, I'm glad there's people who have the ability to stop their life and go sit on a grand jury or any kind of a jury for months.
I certainly couldn't do it.
I think these people on this grand jury are just regular citizens with a passion for injustice.
So let's keep going.
The Darren Wilson attorney has some more BS to spew on national television.
Gave them too much evidence.
Now, again, if you went to a preliminary hearing, the problem with that was you had to put witnesses on the stand.
And I think it's clear if you've read any of the transcripts, if you've looked at any of the testimony, there were a number of people who were frightened about testifying.
So then that's why you don't go to a trial because there's, first of all, they did put witnesses on.
They let Darren Wilson testify for four hours.
And they did have people testify.
So this guy's just making stuff up, but I bet Aaron Burnett's not going to let him.
So you don't want to do that unless you absolutely have to in the context of the trial.
So you don't say, look, we don't really know what happened, so let's go to trial.
That's not what, again, that's a false choice.
We know what happened, and let's go to trial.
The prosecutor has an idea of what happened.
You put that in front of the grand jury.
They indict.
You go to trial.
He didn't even have to go to a grand jury.
He just had to prosecute him.
He went to a grand jury because he didn't want to prosecute him.
And he presented the defense case at the grand jury, which is why they didn't indict him.
They even gave him the wrong law, which Lawrence O'Donnell has articulated.
If you haven't seen Lawrence O'Dono's piece on that, totally showed how the prosecutor was corrupt and gave the wrong information to the jury.
He gave them an illegal law that has already been deemed unconstitutional, which says there's a Missouri law that says a cop can shoot a criminal or a suspect if he's running away.
Well, the goddamn Supreme Court 29 years ago said that that's an illegal law.
You can't do that.
That's the law they submitted to the grand jury and said this is the law.
And then right before they went in, they go, oh, no, no, no, here's another law.
And they just hand it.
They didn't explain it to him.
They didn't explain that the first law was wrong.
So they did everything they could to confuse the jury and make it look like Darren Wilson was innocent.
And we have to remember, it's not the first time or the last time that they've been doing that with that law.
Yes, exactly.
How many other people are victims of this?
We don't know.
We don't know.
It's not the way the system is set up.
There are rules.
We are a nation of law, and we proceed by those rules.
And that's what McCullough has done.
Okay, so now watch Aaron Burnett's going to go right at him.
All right, Neil, thank you very much.
I appreciate your time tonight.
Bam!
Really got him.
Bam.
You can't get anything.
Actually, at CNN, you get paid extra for the amount of credulity that you express.
And you know what?
And I don't know if you've heard Erin Burnett's slogan for her show now.
It's Aaron Burnett, as easy on the eyes as she is on her gas.
Well, you know, it is so striking where they say that there's too much evidence provided.
There was too much evidence.
As if a juror ever walks away and goes, oh, I was so confused by the evidence.
I didn't know what to surmise.
Oh, you know what?
Let's not indict him.
Yeah, what happened was they gave them all the evidence.
And they're not supposed to do that.
And they gave them contradictory testimony, which they're not supposed to do that.
There's contradictory testimony in every case.
That's why you wheel out the ones that aren't credible and you only present the ones that are.
Okay, so now after that guy, she had to say goodbye to him.
She didn't have time to debunk that guy.
She didn't have time to debunk Darren Wilson's lawyer.
Because, you know, there was no time because CNN is only on Twitter.
24 hours a day.
Yeah, no.
And by the way, you know, if you have to lie, which is what Darren Wilson's lawyer just did, left and right, up and down.
He turned the grand jury system on its head inside out, totally perverted it.
If you have to do that, then if you have to lie to make your case, then I think you're covering up for a guilty man.
That's exactly what you're doing.
And that's what Aaron Burnett should have said.
But she didn't say that because she had to get to this interview with another guy.
And here's what, there's how, I swear to God, here's what she did to him.
So, in terms of the issue that we've seen with the grand jury itself, one of the questions that I have for you is that McCullough didn't hide any of the evidence, right?
To the contrary, he gave the grand jury everything.
The argument is that he gave them too much.
But one of the motivations that's been given for that is he didn't want anybody to say what you said.
Look, his background, he's biased.
He gave them everything.
Look at it yourself.
He gave it to the grand jury, and now he's going to give it to the American public.
Isn't that as good as it gets?
So that's a news anchor who already knows what she's saying is wrong.
She already knows what she's saying is completely false and BS.
And when she has a guest on who says, who questions the credibility and the integrity of the prosecutor, which we all know, he's transparently corrupt and whitewashed this case from day one.
And he's 0 for 5 and getting indictments against cops who shoot unarmed black people.
So this guy can totally question the credibility of the prosecutor.
And what she does is then push back against that guy, telling the truth, by offering already debunked false lies, talking points about how the grand jury works.
And she presented them as if they were not only did she present them, she argued them strenuously just now.
Isn't that really what you're supposed to do?
Why would you repeat, again, we say it a million times on the show, it's in my new special, what the stupid journalists do today if they replaced objectivity with neutrality.
So all facts are equal, and nobody's telling a lie.
Everybody's worth being heard.
Nobody gets debunked.
In fact, not only do they give a platform for misinformation, they repeat it themselves.
They repeat misinformation.
And that's what she just did.
There couldn't be anything worse than what she just did.
Yeah, and I think part of it might be is she's saying that because it's just the last thing she heard said.
You know, so it's the only thing that's in her mind at that moment is what she just heard someone say to her.
That's our woman, Aaron, but that's the.
And you wonder why when they go out into the street, the CNN reporters go out into the street where there's a crowd of people, they start chanting, fuck CNN.
Maybe that's why they do that.
Do you ever think about that?
It's true.
And don't be too hard on Erin Burnett.
Not everyone at CNN can have the gravitas of Don Lemmit.
Yes.
Let's just go down this once again.
So in terms of the issue that we've seen with the grand jury itself, one of the questions that I have for you is that McCulloch didn't hide any of the evidence, right?
Well, he did hide the fact that he was purposely throwing the case.
He hid that.
I don't know if that's, does that matter, Erin?
The contrary.
He gave the grand jury everything.
The argument is that he gave them too much.
But one of the motivations that's been given for that is he didn't want anybody to say what you said.
Look, his background, he's biased.
He gave them everything.
Look at it yourself.
He gave it to the grand jury, and now he's going to give it to the American public.
Isn't that as good as it gets?
Okay, Aaron Burnett, first she says he gave them too much, and now she's saying, isn't that as good as it gets?
I'm glad she's not a juror because she can't make up her goddamn mind.
Isn't that as good as it gets?
I think as good as it gets is the prosecutor getting an indictment, Aaron.
That would be as good as it gets.
And for those of you who don't know, Erin Burnett is, she was a Goldman Sachs employee who married a Citigroup executive director.
So she's all about fighting the power, is what you're saying.
Right.
Truth to power.
Absolutely.
She used to be on CNBC where she was Wall Street's favorite cheerleader, jumping up and down with pom-poms made of money, giving an on-air BJs to CEOs of companies who wanted to bump their stock value up for the week on her show.
In theory, go ahead.
I'm always impressed that I can even hear her considering how far up the ash she is.
Yeah.
In theory, Frank, she was a financial reporter, yet she was scratching her pretty little head in bewilderment about the economic collapse of 2007.
When Aaron Burnett was broadcasting outdoors, she was irritated by the sound of Occupy Wall Street protests happening behind her.
She actually said, What are they so angry about?
Aaron Burnett is such a great journalist.
She didn't walk the 20 feet to go find out.
And after completing her tenure as public relations representative for the stock market on CNBC, Wall Street's Tokyo Rose went on to be even bigger paychecks at CNN.
Her CNN outfront program has the appearance of being a general news roundup show, but after an entire episode, you'll know less than you did before watching it.
And when talking about economic matters on Outfront, she's never upfront about her conflicts of interests.
And you know, when she's saying that, you know, isn't this as good as it gets?
It's like everyone who knew anything was saying that this whole grand jury thing was totally messed up.
And meanwhile, she's trying to get someone to give her a high five.
Yes.
It's as good as it gets.
Woo!
Yeah.
You know, I don't know if I've been to a couple of those cocktail parties that she's been to and at cocktail parties, you'll notice that Aaron Burnett and Andrea Mitchell both give each other the, I can't believe we're getting away with this look to each other.
And also, you'll notice that those cocktail parties, they're not boozing enough.
They're just drinking the Kool-Aid.
Yeah.
You know, aiding her own adult brain confusion to the swirling vortex of our mainstream media bullshit tempest, Aaron Burnett is a proud maintainer of the standards set by Wolf Blitzer, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, and Larry King suspenders.
Hey, listen, Larry King looks pretty good compared to these other people.
Oh, but they're making him look like— Who knew when they got Hulu?
He would have been, you know, someone you had missed compared to Piers Morgan and the other people.
Who knew that their journalistic standards would take a nosedive after the guy who after Larry King, the guy who bragged that he didn't prepare for his interviews, left the station.
Now you just respect him because he's just the only, he was the only guy there that was honest.
None of those people prepare for their interviews, but at least Larry King said it out loud.
Yeah, and you know what I love about Aaron Burnett, the years Of simply reading corporate press releases on camera prepared for her by the grinding work of reading off auto cues.
When forced to think off the cuff, she gives the impression of a Shetland pony accidentally find itself in the middle of a NASCAR speedway.
And I actually heard, this is a little internet detail about her, that when she's at home making love to her Wall Street husband, and she yells, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, she's reading it off the teleprompter.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
No.
So, Bill O'Reilly called me.
Jimmy Dore, this is Bill O'Reilly.
Hey, Bill, how you doing?
Christmas has come early to Fox News.
What do you mean?
I am outraged at the response in Ferguson, Missouri to the grand jury's decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson.
All those blacks riding and looting, this type of lawlessness cannot be tolerated.
But the lawlessness of the police officers can be tolerated.
You have to accept the decision of the grand jury.
Listening to prosecutor Robert McCullough convince me Michael Brown is guilty.
Bill, the prosecutor was supposed to be prosecuting the police officer, not the dead guy.
See, you don't understand the principles upon which this great nation was founded.
In this country, cops are innocent until proven innocent.
The prosecutor is part of a corrupt system of police protectionism, Bill.
Prosecutor Robert McCullough is a very wise man.
Yeah, well, why did he let him?
Why did he release the decision?
Why did he wait till nighttime to release the grand jury decision?
The basic fact that darkness is nature's way of discouraging criminal behavior.
It's a basic fact.
You don't understand why people are angry that an unarmed man is killed by a police officer with a gun and there's no trial, even.
There was no way the prosecutor could have gotten an indictment.
There's a saying among lawyers that you can indict a ham sandwich.
Particularly if the jury is Jewish.
A ham sandwich is going to jail for life.
Boy, race hustlers make me sick, like those Rams football players with their hands up, don't shoot, jive.
They're not smart enough to know what they're doing.
Bill, I'm pretty sure they all went to college.
Didn't you play football in school?
I sure did.
So I know what I'm talking about.
Hey, you football players, your entertainers, shut up and sing.
Bill, you can't shut up and sing at the same time.
You right when you stop saying that, it makes you sound dumber than you are already.
Hey, Jackson Friday, put your hands down and entertain me.
And now another non-indictment of a cop who murdered an unarmed man in New York who wasn't resisting arrest.
Nothing makes you gun control liberals happy.
Cops didn't shoot the guy six times.
They just choked him to death.
Besides, the guy was illegally selling cigarettes without paying tax, so he was no angel.
Bill, New York is filled with multinational corporations that don't pay any tax.
Yeah, but those corporations don't scare cops.
And the 12-year-old kid who was shot by cops in Cleveland, the police culture is a real problem in this country and needs to be turned around.
The real problem in this country is with black culture.
Pull up your pants and stop watching Beyoncé videos.
That kid was monkeying around with toy guns.
You won't see any white kids playing with toy guns.
That's ridiculous.
Those cops had no choice.
In each of those situations, the police said they felt threatened.
Cops don't lie.
Bill, if you think that, you don't know cops.
I do know cops.
Especially the cop who's banging my whore of an ex-wife.
Said he was a fan of my show.
I close my eyes and I see him slamming her with his baton.
You still think about her, huh?
Every time I sign the alimony checks, I yell, burn this bitch down.
Bill, the real problem is a culture among police that enables them to act with impunity without having to face any consequences from the law or from people they are supposed to be protecting.
Jimmy Door, I know what you think, and you're wrong.
Not all cops are arrogant, ignorant, dangerous bullies, harassing the general public and acting as a judge and jury while grafting on the side, taking sadest pleasure in their authority and power tripping over regular citizens who go home to abuse drugs and beat their wives, maintaining fraternal silence about the crimes of their fellow mentally unstable co-workers.
No, some cops are okay people.
I see.
Okay, Jimbo.
I gotta go make sure Juan Williams is not drinking out of my water fountain again.
Okay, Bill.
I'll let you have the last word.
You know what?
No, I changed my mind.
Bill O'Reilly.
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Okay, that was our Bill O'Reilly.
I hope everybody is enjoying this week's episode.
The world just keeps getting crazier and crazier and crazier.
I said last week that I haven't felt this way since the beginning of the Iraq war when I knew we were illegally invading another country for oil.
And since I knew it, a comedian who hosts a public radio show, I knew that there was a lot of people smarter and more powerful than me that knew it was a lie too.
And I just can't shake that feeling again.
It just, and I've been saying this for a long time, that cops are out of control from coast to coast.
All you had to do was look at Occupy Wall Street and how they handled it.
Anyway, we've got more coming up with some horrible journalism and some hilarious phone calls from Rick Perry, another one from Bill O'Reilly, and a lot more that's coming up after this break.
But we're right up against a break.
We'll be right back in one minute.
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Okay, let's get back to the second half.
A lot of fun stuff coming up.
Music.
Hey, welcome back to the Jimmy Door show.
I'm joined in the studio by Steph Sam Murano from the miserable liberal blog and from the Young Turks.
It's Edward Umanya, also on the phone from New York City and from Mystery Science Theater 3000.
It's TV's Frank Frank Conniff.
And we're talking about horrible news coverage and all the horrible stuff that was said about the Eric Garner verdict and also the Michael Brown verdict.
So let's get back to the studio.
And right now we're going to talk about horrible Congressman Steve Peter King and what he was allowed to say on CNN today with almost no pushback.
So luckily, we're going to stay at CNN because Wolf Blitzer did another great job.
He brought on Peter King.
And I don't know if you know Peter King.
He's a maniac who can surprise even other maniacs.
One of the major statesmen of our time.
So here's what he had to say about the Eric Garner.
He was pretty sure it was Eric Garner's fault that he got choked to death.
And here's what he had to say.
Had a 350-pound person who was resisting arrest.
The police were trying to bring him down as quickly as possible.
If he had not had asthma and a heart condition, it was so obese that almost definitely he would not have died from this.
You know what else if he didn't have a chokehold around his neck?
He forgot that one.
You forgot to add that one.
He's a guy from high blood pressure and a heart attack.
He died from being choked to death.
Yes.
Police had no reason to know that he was in serious condition.
I know people were saying that he said 11 times or seven times they can't breathe.
Well, the fact is, if you can't breathe, you can't talk.
Ever seen anyone locked up resisting arrest?
And I've seen it.
So, yeah, so if you can't breathe, you can't talk.
But Peter King proves that you can still talk even if you don't have a soul.
He's got more to say.
You can talk.
And have you seen anyone locked up resisting arrest?
And I've seen it.
And there's been white guys.
And they're always saying, you're breaking my arm, you're choking me, you're doing this.
So police hear that all the time.
Yeah, you know why they hear it all the time?
Because they're usually breaking people's arms and choking them.
That's why they hear it all the time.
In fact, the reason why that chokehold is illegal is because there were some guys playing touch football in 1994 and the football hit a cop's car.
Cop got out of his car, choked the guy to death.
And that's why they have the rule of no choke.
You can't choke a guy.
That's the rule in the police department.
But you're not allowed to choke if you're a cop in New York.
But it is, for some reason, it is legal if it's caught on camera and everybody sees it.
And it's completely okay for some reason.
Here, he goes on.
He's got more to say.
They, in this case, a chokehold was not illegal.
It is against department regulations.
But as you look carefully, I don't think it was intent to put him in a chokehold because he does move the baton as he brings him down.
Also, there was no intent to put him in a chokehold.
The only thing that would contradict that was the fact that he intended to put a chokehold on him and he jumped on his back and started choking him.
Other than that, I don't think he intended to choke him.
He really, he wanted to just keep, he wanted to give him a wheelbarrow ride, and he just put his arm in the wrong place.
He put it around his windpipe and then kept squeezing until he was dead.
It was a hug gone wrong.
Yeah, he was really trying to hug him.
It was just a big hug.
It was a noogie attack that went in the wrong direction.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
He's got more to say.
He's got more to say.
People are saying very casually that this was done out of racial motives or violation of civil rights.
There's not a hint there that anyone used any racial epithet.
Oh, isn't that nice?
They didn't call him the N-word as they were choking him to death.
So that's how you know they're not racist.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
That's fine.
There's only one way to tell if someone's racist, not if they choke you to death for nothing.
It's if they swear at you and call you dirty names while they're killing you.
Okay, here we go.
Where the racial angle comes in, I have no doubt if that was a 350-pound white guy, he would have been treated the same.
No doubt, no doubt.
First of all, he says that if, hey, they would choke and kill a white guy, too.
What's your problem?
That's what cops do.
Are you guys upset?
They don't discriminate when they kill people.
No, cops can choke out people all the time.
They don't discriminate.
Why are you saying they're racist?
They're just murderers.
I guess that's what he's saying.
Okay.
It's not so bad.
They murder white guys.
Here we go.
The police were there is Tompkinsville is primarily a minority area.
The local business people were complaining about Ghana who was constantly selling cigarettes outside their establishments, and he was creating a problem in the neighborhood.
It was at the request of the community.
The people in that minority community who went to police headquarters wanted the police out there to remove him.
Okay, so that's right.
So according to Peter King, the entire community got together and had a secret meeting and decided to ask the police to kill Eric Garner.
Yes.
Yeah, nice try at passing the responsibility away from the cops.
Way to go.
It's really the people in the community's fault for telling on Eric Garner in the first place.
And by the way, Eric Garner wasn't even selling cigarettes that day.
He just had gotten done breaking up a fight.
That's the kind of guy Eric Garner was.
He broke up a fight and the cops showed up and then they killed him.
So are you telling me that the community didn't want Eric Garner held down and murdered in front of them in broad daylight?
Is that what you're suggesting?
I am suggesting that.
There we go.
So this was not any attempt by the cops to harass some guy for selling cigarettes.
It was a request to the community.
That would be done.
This was a minority community, struggling business people trying to make a living.
Why does it make any difference what type of community it was that this murder happened in?
Why does it matter that it was a minority community according to him?
It doesn't matter.
It's like the white.
Is that the excuse?
He's saying that the good white guys were coming.
They're trying to help the black people.
They're helping the minority community that's struggling economically.
You know how the cops, white cops from other neighborhoods always love to go into the poorest black neighborhoods and help them.
Not work out all their fucked up issues by killing them and beating them and harassing them and shooting them 12 times when they're unarmed.
It's an unarmed guy, five cops jump on an unarmed guy and choke him.
I saw this tape, too.
I mean, that's the thing that's so crazy is.
He's describing it as if nobody has seen that.
Exactly.
It's like, what did he have like some special 3D glasses or something that enabled him to see what really in high death?
Right.
We're all just watching the crappy version of it.
He saw the Blu-ray high-death version.
So he knows what really happened.
He got the director's cut.
Yeah.
Chokeholds, I'm told they're banned by the New York City Police Department congressman.
So I guess a lot of the question is, why isn't the police officer in this particular case, Daniel Pantaleo, being held accountable if, in fact, he did engage in that chokehold?
First of all, it's not illegal.
It's against departmental policy.
So that has nothing to do with committing a crime.
Secondly, there is a real debate as to whether or not that was a chokehold.
Yeah, yeah, there's a debate about whether that was a chokehold.
Apparently, for Peter King, the fact that Eric Garner died from being choked doesn't end that debate.
Isn't that amazing?
There's a debate over it.
I just think every grand jury member should have been put in a chokehold by five people, five people tackling them.
And then you have to truly experience to the point that you can't breathe, that you can't even say you can't breathe.
Right.
And then you can weigh in.
Right.
Because he does not seem to sustain the baton at the Adam's apple, but as he's bringing them down and move to the right.
And again, I don't think there's any indication here that they intended to choke him.
Yes.
There's no indication they intended to choke him except for the fact that they were choking him until he died.
It was an accident.
You know how you accidentally choke people, Frank.
Haven't you accidentally choked someone to death?
I know I have.
Yes, this choking him to death was actually a typographical error, believe it or not.
Yeah.
Surprisingly enough.
That was intentional.
You have a 350-pound guy who's resisting, and he's almost 67 inches taller than you.
You try to grab him where you can and bring him down.
And when he was on the ground, I heard somebody before said they beat him.
Nobody punched him.
Nobody kicked him.
They tried to get his hands behind his back and handcuff him.
And you talk to any cop.
Nobody beat him, and nobody kicked him, and nobody punched him when he was already on the ground being choked to death.
Hey, thank God for small favors.
You know what?
They also didn't say racist names either.
Yes, they didn't call him the N-word.
They didn't beat him.
They didn't kick him when he was already down being choked to death.
So, hey, you're dead, but at least we didn't punch you.
They brutally killed him in the most compassionate way.
Yes, yes.
He died with dignity.
Here we go.
The toughest thing to do is to cuff someone who doesn't want to be handcuffed.
And so to me, remember, they didn't know that this was being videoed.
And yet there's no indication of any racial remarks.
There's no attempt to kick him or punch him while he was down.
They only try to do is cuff him.
And to do that, you have to seduce someone and hold them quiet.
You have to seduce someone and hold him quiet.
They only tried to cuff him.
And to do that, you have to seduce someone and keep them quiet.
Seduce someone?
This is a new innovation in policing, Frank.
If you bring me flowers, buy me dinner and be nice to me, I'll consider letting you handcuff me and put me in a headlock.
I didn't realize that this tape was 50 shades of gray.
Yeah.
Yes.
Hang on.
There's a little bit.
He's got something else to say, stupid.
By the way, he didn't choke him with the baton.
No, he used his arm.
He's talking like he didn't even see the video.
Yeah.
Peter King.
Wait a minute, but he was right.
The baton was not striking his Adams.
He was right about that.
Because the allegation is that he was, what, selling cigarettes without tax?
That's relatively, that's a pretty minor crime.
So the question is, was it excessive force to go ahead and try to apprehend him with all these police officers surrounding him and using that kind of force?
Well, first of all, he wasn't going to go.
Once the police come to arrest him and he resisted, you have to arrest him.
You can't have the community see someone being able to walk away from an arrest.
No, you got to kill him.
No.
You have to, in every situation, at any time, there's no way you can ever de-escalate.
First of all, you know who the guy is.
You can go to his house.
Is he hard to find?
They know who Eric Garner is.
First of all, this is the kind of infraction you could write the guy a summons.
Write him, here you go.
Here's your summons.
You can write it.
They won't arrest you if you have a bag of pot on you anymore in New York City.
You can carry up to an, I think, an ounce of pot on you.
Did you see the baggie that the police it's but they won't arrest you for that?
But this, again, that you have to arrest.
So, okay, here we go.
The cops have to establish themselves.
And again, this was...
You know how the cops aren't established in minority community.
The cops, the morning communities, they don't fear cops anymore.
And again, he was resisting arrest.
Once he started to resist arrest, they had no choice but to try to bring him down.
And I don't think there's any evidence at all, any indication that they wanted to choke him or they wanted to kill him or cause any severe harm at all.
Except for the fact that they were choking him, and then they put his knee on his head and his arm around his neck and strangled him until he was dead.
That would be the only indication that they wanted to cause severe harm to him, Peter.
So ultimately, the police have no choice other than killing us on the streets when we ignore any type of command that they're giving us.
And you know what?
Who isn't going to fight back when five people on the streets of America tackle you?
Your innate, your instinct is to say, get away.
Yes.
Yes, you know this isn't going to go well.
And why didn't they de-escalate it?
And they've been harassing him all the time.
And that's why he said, I wasn't doing anything today.
I'm not doing it.
I was breaking up a fight.
And they still wanted to harass him because that's what cops do.
We're going to get to that later, by the way.
We're going to get to that in a minute.
Is it appropriate that Eric Holder, the Attorney General of the United States, is about to formally announce a federal Justice Department investigation into what happened?
I don't see how there's any civil rights violation here.
And I think it should also be kept in mind, Wolf, that no one has done more to save the lives of young African Americans than the NYPD.
Yes, they saved their lives by choking them and stopping frisking them.
And, you know, as we said before on the show, so did they save young black people's lives the same way slavery saved the money?
Well, I think what he means is that they saved the lives of the black people who would have bought cigarettes from that guy.
Yeah.
And eventually gotten lung cancer.
That's what, yeah, I got it.
You know what I mean?
They do.
They're keeping the illegal cigarettes off the street is quite the life-saving measure.
You know, I bet, Jimmy, if we just go and do a little research, we would find out that hardly anybody is killed by the police.
Yeah, but the problem is, Stephanie.
What's the problem?
The problem is cops don't keep that information.
Do you know that?
They don't keep information about how many people they kill.
They don't.
They'll tell you how many lawful kills.
And they don't call them murders.
No.
They call them lawful killings.
But they don't tell you about the unlawful ones or how many there are.
Nobody keeps these statistics.
I did a whole interview with a guy in TYT interviews.
There's no data.
There's no data.
Why is that?
They don't have this thing.
So you can't compare how many deaths are in Tennessee compared to Phoenix or to New York or to Chicago.
Is that the same law as the one that the NRA got passed where you can't keep records of how many people are killed by guns?
I don't know if it's a law.
All I know is that they don't keep these stats about police killings.
Just so you know, they are.
There's a number that suggested that upwards to a thousand people a year are killed by the police.
That's what they're guessing on the limited data available.
And here's one more piece of data.
In the last five years, there's been a thousand complaints launched against the police, NYPD, for chokeholds.
You know how many people, you know how many of those 1,000 in the last five years, 1,000.
You know how many of those that they found credible, the police?
10.
And do you know how many of them got prosecuted?
None.
And you know who is one person who didn't lodge a complaint was Eric Gardner.
Yeah.
He wasn't alive to make it.
Couldn't make that.
There are thousands of young African Americans alive today because white and black police officers put their lives on the line every day, going into the toughest neighborhoods to protect them.
There's been, again, in the last 20 years, there's been about a 70, 80% reduction in murders, and the overwhelming majority of those murders have been committed against African Americans.
That's been reduced.
And that should be brought out and made clear.
The greatest beneficiaries of the NYPD are the African-American community.
And President Obama, if he's serious about trying to bring racial peace to this country, the last thing he should be doing is having Al Sharpton sit in the White House.
When he says that people in the African-American community don't trust the police, one of the reasons is because agitators like Al Shopton are constantly criticizing and attacking and denouncing the police before he has any idea what the facts are.
Yeah, yeah, it's L. Sharpton's fault.
See, well, let me ask you, Peter, did L. Sharpton, was he the one who started Stopping Frisk?
Did L. Sharpton start a fake war on drugs?
Did L. Sharpton start racial profiling by the police?
I had no idea that L. Sharpton had so much power.
President.
Yeah, that's the same.
You can say that Martin Luther King was responsible for all the people killed during the civil rights.
Yeah.
He was out there talking about it.
If he hadn't talked about it, nobody would have known about it and nobody would have cared.
But you know, Frank, we can rest easy knowing that moronic marble mouth creeps like Peter King don't have any real power in our society.
Oh, wait a minute.
He's a member of Congress.
He's part of the financial services, the House Permanent Intelligence Selection, and the Homeland Security Committee.
Hmm.
Yeah, and you know what?
Another telling thing about him, I just read that his favorite Christmas movie is Bad Lieutenant.
His view of the top is just different, is all I'm saying.
All right.
No.
you Okay, I got a call from Peter King.
Peter King, he wasn't joking him.
What?
Police procedure over there.
How could that be police procedure, Peter?
What do you mean?
The corpse decides you for you to go down.
Yeah.
They put you in a chokehold and they throw you to the ground.
And if you got diabetes or whatever, it's not the cop's fault that guy had the sugars.
I don't think it was diabetes that killed him.
I think it was that the cops.
He was in bad health.
Man, was it bad?
It's not the corpse Walter.
That fella didn't take care of himself.
So you're saying because...
I'm going to take you downtown first.
Let me see your ballets caught.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Peter, you said a lot of crazy stuff in that interview.
I know why I hear it.
You say the crazy stuff.
I'm just sticking up for the cops who defend you and me and everybody else from the darkness.
It's the edge of the world out there.
You said a lot of crazy stuff.
You said that you didn't look like the guy was choking him.
We all saw him choke him.
It was just sort of him getting, he was just wrestling to the ground here.
Yeah, but he was a big guy.
But he continued to choke him even after the guy was on the ground.
And the coroner declared it a homicide.
Maybe he wasn't done yet.
But the coroner declared it a homicide.
So someone killed him.
I've seen these corps shows told the weirdos that fucking work in the basement.
They're always eccentric.
They're always the weird ones on CSI.
You're going to take that fruit's word for it?
Come on.
So there were five cops around an unarmed black guy who was committing something that could not be a lower level crime.
And on par with jaywalking.
Hey, you're not supposed to sell cigarettes if you're not a licensed cigarette if you get distributed to the internet.
Yeah, I get that, but I mean, so they just immediately, I mean, they just immediately Don't you get upset when rich people do tax evasions?
Yeah, but we don't choke them.
Well, yeah, but it's across the board.
We got to have a fiscal work.
You know, if a regular folk is going to want a tax evasion, too, they got to hold their feet to the fire.
You can't just be for the rich riches.
I just want a more fair and just society.
What the hell is wrong with that?
So you're cool with cops choking.
I am.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha.
Oh, God.
So that's the kind of city you want to live in where cops go around five at a time choking people for the lowest level crime possible.
Are the people black?
Yes.
Well, then it sure is.
Peter, you're kind of, you know, you're despicable.
I couldn't think of anything more horrific than you.
You watch your mouth, you little fuck.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I'm here on the side of law enforcement.
No kidding.
So is there anything...
My father was a cop.
My uncle was a cop.
My son's a cop.
My six-month-old grandson is a cop.
Everyone I've ever met in my life is a cop.
I stand with the blue.
My question.
My question is, the coroner rules it a homicide, okay?
All right.
Okay, for the time being, let's stick this car in a person as an awedo.
The coroner rules it a homicide.
We have video of cops choking him.
Him screaming 11 times, I can't breathe.
The coroner declares it a homicide.
And so what happened?
So did he murder himself?
You know what?
It's a pretty good hypothesis.
You've heard of it.
There's suicide by cop.
That's a real thing, right?
So you think he took the cop?
You know, most people do that.
They want to get shot.
Well, you know, maybe this guy just wanted to be strangled to death.
So he, you know, grabbed a corpse arm, wrapped it around his throat, and choked his own self out with the cops arm.
So you kind of made it sound like he was faking, right?
You said, because a lot of times people will fake, oh, you're breaking my arm.
Oh, you're doing this.
People say that all the time.
You believe me.
If you think he was faking about being choked, he died.
Nine times out of ten, that's, you know, their arm is breaking.
But there's that one time when it's not broken.
But he's dead.
They did kill him.
And so.
They didn't kill him.
He died.
Yeah.
So there's five cops around him.
They choke him.
He dies, but nobody killed him?
Nobody.
Corps.
Cops don't murder people.
They protect the peace.
If something was going on with cops, what happened was he died.
He didn't get murdered.
Wow.
Okay, well, listen, you're just as crazy as ever.
I really appreciate it.
Hey, thanks.
I appreciate that.
Okay.
Maybe we'll send some cops over to your house to visit you and your dog.
All right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, maybe we'll put some blackface on you and tell cops you're selling cigarettes.
All right.
Sounds good.
I'm going to go choke myself in mass debate because I'm into that sort of thing.
Okay.
All right.
So just like George Bush before, Rick Perry loves to kill people, usually poor people who are on death row.
There's a mentally ill man right now who is a schizophrenic, who everybody and their brother, even Gary Bauer, if you know who he is, he's that right-wing maniac, has come out against killing this guy because it's obviously clear that this guy is schizophrenic.
Before he murdered his in-laws, he was admitted for schizophrenia 10 times in 11 years to a hospital.
So Rick Perry wants to kill him.
Can't wait.
Because if you kill people in Texas, that gets you applause at Republican primary debates.
And that also gets you elected, as it did George Bush, who went on to start illegal wars, order war crimes to cover them up, torture people, and God knows what else he did.
Okay.
So we called Rick Perry, and here we go.
By the way, they've stayed the execution as of this recording.
An appeals court has stayed the execution.
I don't know for how long.
We'll see what happens.
But here's our phone conversation with Governor Rick Perry.
Got a call from Rick Perry.
Joining us on the phone now is Texas Governor Rick Perry.
Governor, how are you?
Oh, to be honest, I'm a little bit down.
Appeals Court just ruined National Killer Retard Week.
What?
Well, that's a delightful moniker I came out to celebrate in Texas execution style executions.
The fact that we were going to do it to a drilling vegetable would have only made it all the sweeter than the appeals court ordered a stay of execution.
You know why?
Why?
Because they're poopy heads.
That's why.
They won't let anybody have any fun.
Governor, the prisoner that you were about to execute was not mentally retarded.
He was a disturbed individual that multiple medical experts agreed was severely mentally ill.
In fact, he was so out of it that he once buried his furniture in the backyard because he thought it was possessed by Satan.
Well, heck, I ain't saying he didn't do some good things.
I mean, I agree with him that satanic furniture is a major problem in our society.
I tried to get one of them Catholic priests to come in and do an existing all-in-a-care store, but he never got around to it.
Why not?
We spent a lot of time visiting with each other because it turns out we both have a lot in common.
We both follow the same boy bands on Instagram.
His favorite member of One Direction is Liam, but I prefer Neow.
I think he's called that me.
I'd like to nail Neal.
Your favorite.
What do you say?
I don't know how to say that shit, dude.
Don't get me wrong, Jimmy.
When I say I want to nail Neal, I don't mean that, you know, as some kind of innuendo.
I just mean I like to have anal sex with him.
That's all.
Governor, let me ask you, as you gear up for the 2016 run for the Republican presidential nomination, are you sure you want to make your boy band fandom so public?
Hey, I don't like all ball bands.
In fact, thanks to my strong anti-immigration stance, I prevented Menudo from crossing the border.
Governor, we're getting off topic.
I just want to say that if this appeal fails, you should not let the execution happen.
The death penalty is not even Christian.
Not true.
I happen to be a biblical scholar, so I know for a fact that the death penalty was declared morally just by Jesus Onran and Ronald Reagan when they signed the Declaration of Independence.
I think you were reading the wrong Bible.
Not likely.
And Jimmy, tell me something.
If we don't execute his mentally ill to ethereal inmate, how will he possibly learn his lesson and never do it again?
What?
You just, what you just said is completely nonsensical, Governor.
Well, it's nice of you to say that.
It makes me think my chances in the 2016 primary are looking pretty darn good.
Well, Governor, thanks for joining us, and I'd like to wish you and your family happy holidays.
Well, thanks, Jimmy.
But in Texas, the proper season's creating is not happy holidays.
It's get off my land or I'll shoot you full of buckshot, Jose.
Okay, I'll remember that next time.
And speaking of the holidays, I'd better get off the phone because I'm about to pass out.
I'll just say some leftover turkey and all that triptophan that's giving me that sleepy, drowsy just got invited up to Bill Cosby's hotel room, Phalanx.
It's like energy about.
Okay.
Can you do...
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
you Okay, we've got phone calls, galore happening.
Guess who else called in?
Bill O'Reilly called back in.
Yes, he called back.
Joining us now on the phone is Fox News anchorman Bill O'Reilly.
Shut up, Jimmy.
Just shut up.
Bill, why are you attacking me right off the bat, buddy?
Oh, sorry.
I'd just like to immediately go on the offensive.
But I mean no disrespect.
You're a stand-up guy, even though you're a worthless piece of crap.
And now, I'm going to give you the last word.
The last word, Bill, we just started.
Shut up, Jimmy.
Just shut up.
Shut up.
Round one goes to O'Reilly.
That was a figure-ready debate.
What the...
No!
Thank you.
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