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Oct. 21, 2010 - Jimmy Dore Show
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It's the Jimmy Door Show.
The show for depth-minded, little-live lefties.
The kind of people that are pill bent, maybe on tearing down our nation.
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper say.
It's hard to talk on your T-Bag.
So sit back or sit up or keep driving.
Because it's the Jimmy Door show.
And now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore.
And welcome to the show.
In the studio with me today, across from me, Ben Zelavansky from Ben and Alex.tv.
To his left is Paul Gil Martin from askarepublican.com.
And we're waiting for Robert Yasimura from Team Yasamura.
It's raining in Los Angeles today.
And what are we going to talk about on today's show?
Well, there was, there was a Republican, there was a governor's debate in New York City.
And here's my favorite candidate from the, it was the governor.
The rent is too damn high party.
People are working eight hours a day and 40 hours a week to sum a third job.
Women can't afford to take care of their children, feed their children breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
My main job is to provide a roof over your head, food on the table, and money in your pocket.
This is politics as usual.
Playing a silly game.
It's just not going to happen.
The rent two damn high movement.
The people I'm here to represent can't afford to pay their rent.
They're being laid off right now without speak.
They can't eat breakfast, lunch, or dinner.
Listen.
You know, and everybody said that guy was crazy.
I don't know.
I think I feel like I'd vote for him.
I feel like I might vote for that guy, too, considering at last week's governor's debate in California, this is what they were talking about.
What is the role of current pensioners?
Should they be required to start cutting back on the amount of money that they feel obligated to receive?
So this guy wants to bring down rents, and Tom Brokaw and the governors in California want to balance the budget on the backs of pensioners.
That's how they're going to do it.
So that's a little bit different.
We're going to talk about that.
Also, boy, there was a tough weekend in football.
I don't know if you guys heard the headline.
If you watched any football this weekend, you know this was one of the more violent weekends in terms of colossal hits and injuries in recent memory.
Some of the highlights made even veteran fans look away after a while.
Helmet-to-helmet collisions that are not supposed to happen, but they happen anyway in what is already a violent sport.
And at the college level, there was a horrible injury.
It has caused a kind of post-game discussion all across the country.
And our chief medical editor, Dr. Yeah, so they saw all these horrible violence happening in the football games, and now people really want to stop that.
And by the way, Brian, there's two wars going on.
I don't know if you know this.
There were 16.
Yeah, but the people dying in those, getting hurt in those wars, are they millionaires?
They're renters, Ben.
Also known as fodder.
I don't know if it was.
I think, let me get to the fact.
16 coalition troops died in the last three days.
I don't know if you heard about that, Brian.
Two more coalition servicemen died in Afghanistan on Friday, bringing the number of slain foreign troops in the last three days to 60.
But, Jimmy, corporations are making money.
That is correct.
You know, I, for one, would like to know what they're doing over in Afghanistan playing football.
Aren't they supposed to be okay?
Also, you know what was wrong with the health care bill that President Obama and the Democrats passed?
You know what was wrong with it?
What they really needed?
Joe Scarborough knows.
If they had had a business leader in the White House during the health care debacle, it would have been a healthcare debacle.
Yeah, see, they just needed a healthcare bill that was a little more friendly to corporate interests.
That was the problem.
Right.
Nobody understands the average American like corporate America.
They know how to be kind.
That guy has a show.
That guy has a show.
All right.
I can't help it.
We're also going to talk about, we're going to talk a lot about teacher reform.
Education reform is happening.
And, you know, some people like to scapegoat the some people like to scapegoat the teachers, but that's not what's happening.
Nationwide, do we have to, I mean, this sounds radical, but do we have to break the teachers' unions?
Okay, all right.
Anyway, I guess it doesn't sound like scapegoat.
It doesn't sound like scapegoating.
That's a question.
Also, Christine O'Donnell has a little bit of a problem with the Constitution.
You know, that's where the teabaggers are.
They base their support of defending the Constitution and denying science.
One of those indispensable principles is the separation of church and state.
Okay, that's the next question, please.
Where in the Constitution is separation of church and state?
Oh!
No!
No!
She did not say that!
She did not say that!
I guess this is the first time you heard it.
Oh, my God!
Paul, this is the first time you're hearing this?
God damn it!
Okay, we might cut right to that then.
Oh, my God.
You know, it's like, I don't know if I've said this before, but her running, I swear to God, I think it's a sorority dare.
I do.
I think she's like, you think I won't run?
I'll totally run.
And she gets on her juicy sweats and sits down and comes up with her platform.
I'm going to stand against everything that's gross.
Well, she was.
Maybe we will talk a little bit more about it.
Let's talk about it right now, or should I do the...
But in fairness, I don't know exactly where in the Constitution is.
Maybe she was reading through, and maybe the phone rang or something.
She just didn't get to the part about there being a separation of church and state.
What do you mean?
It's the First Amendment of the Constitution.
Oh, it's first.
The first thing.
It's the first thing, yeah.
Oh, well, maybe she was, you know, some people like to start at the end of a book or a magazine and page their way through to the beginning.
Maybe that's what she's doing.
It's right at the beginning of the first.
I know, but is it really that important?
What makes you say it's so important?
Because it's the first thing.
The first.
Yeah, this was fun.
All right.
I want to play that again.
You know what?
I don't know if my body can handle hearing that again.
I think just to let people know what just happened in that bit.
Ben and I did a bit over the phone last night.
It was hilarious to us.
And then when Ben Ben started doing it right now, and I forgot we were supposed to start doing it, so I probably screwed it up somewhere.
I'm going to tell you, I'm going to put it on me.
Please tell me that woman is not going to get elected.
One of those indispensable principles is the separation of church and state.
That's the next question, please.
Where in the Constitution is separation of church and state?
Oh, hold on.
She almost triggered a ball movement.
She almost triggered a bomb movement.
Robert Yasimur is here.
Paul just heard for the first time Christine O'Donnell saying, we're in the Constitution and separation of church and state.
He just heard it for the first time.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
So we, you know what?
Let's come back and we'll talk about that.
Let's go ahead and talk about it.
We're still in the billboard?
Yeah.
I was in the billboard, but screw it.
We're just going to go ahead and let's talk about this now.
So she had the what you don't see, Paul, because you can't see that clip, is that she has a very smug look on her face.
When she says that to Koons, the guy she's running against, where is it in the Constitution separation of church?
She's saying it with a very smug look on her face.
And then when people start to laugh in the audience, she looks towards the audience and starts laughing like, I've got him.
She doesn't realize they're laughing at her.
He must be giddy.
At that point, he could pop a beer and start making out with a baby.
And no, he's still going to rant.
The only thing she stopped short of doing is saying, show me, point to where in the Constitution it is.
And then you just have to point out.
It gets even worse.
Well, he did.
He actually kind of did that.
Watch, here we go.
Where in the Constitution is separation of church and state?
It's in.
Hold on.
Hold on, please.
Okay, so, hey, you know what?
Let me.
Ladies and gentlemen, please.
Ladies and gentlemen, please.
So she couldn't let it.
She said that.
People laughed at her.
And then she started to talk about the theory of evolution.
Okay, she talked about the.
Oh, no.
But I'm saying that that theory, if local school districts want to give that theory equal credence to intelligent design, it is their right.
Okay, actually, it's not their right.
That's why he's invoking the First Amendment separation of church and state.
Do you understand that?
That is a religious doctrine, intelligent design.
That is not a scientific doctrine.
That's why you can't teach it in a public school.
She was just excited to say that.
I'm saying that that theory, if local school districts want to give that theory equal credence to intelligent design, it is their right.
She was just excited that she got to say Cregan since I'm smart.
Autogenous, the way she said it in reverse, as if...
She said, like, the theory of evolution, like, we're already teaching intelligent design.
It's amazing.
Yeah, they want to teach evolution along with what the real thing is.
Yeah, I'm cool with that.
That's kind of how she said it.
Let's listen to the whole.
The First Amendment, the First Amendment, establishes the separation, the fact that the federal government shall not establish any religion and decisional law by the Supreme Court over many, many decades.
The First Amendment shrines.
Oh, my God.
But she's not stopping.
Like, here, Paul, I want you to see her face, how smug it is.
I know that you can't see this at home, but do you see her face?
If it was in the First Amendment, I think I would have heard about it.
While you're listening to this at home, just look at any picture of Christine O'Donnell.
And that self-satisfied look is there.
If she continues down this trail, I'm eventually not going to be sexually attracted to her.
Eventually, me neither.
Here it is again.
The First Amendment, the First Amendment, establishes the separation, the fact that the federal government shall not establish any religion and decisional law by the Supreme Court over many, many decades.
The First Amendment shrines clarifies and enshrines that there is a separation of church and state that our courts and our laws must respect.
So you're telling the separation of church and state.
The Roe versus Wade in the Griswold question earlier.
The zone of privacy.
But if you can see, do you see this?
Yes, the smug look on her face.
So when they, this is after they already laughed at her.
So she doesn't even realize that the first time she said that, they laughed at her, not with her.
So that's why she keeps bringing it up.
And she has a look on her face.
She has a look on her face as if she's doing a take to the upside down.
Like, look at this guy with his First Amendment and facts.
Like when, you know, how is a guy, when somebody says, and at these prices, we'll be back.
She has that look on her face, you know?
She has that like, okay.
And well, you don't think there's any way she can win.
She's way behind, isn't she?
She is behind, but let's all remember that George Bush won two elect was elected twice, but did not.
You know, he became the thing.
He wasn't elected, didn't win.
So, you know, it's electronic voting.
Crazier things have happened.
Look at the guy.
Who's the guy in South Carolina running against Jim DeMin?
Oh, the James Avery.
Is it Avery?
What's his name?
I know.
This is bad for the show.
Okay.
So then she goes, and she's talking about it as a theory and that they could teach it as a theory.
Let me just clarify.
You're telling me that the separation of church and state is found in the First Amendment.
Government shall make no establishment of religion.
That's in the First Amendment.
Oh, my God.
Oh, wait, 8-15 here.
She can't hit CAM.
She can't stop herself.
He keeps telling her, he quotes it to her that that's in the First Amendment.
No, why did Jedi mind trick him?
Yeah.
Like, to make that fact not true.
She is about to call it the Iraq.
I know.
I know.
She is very close.
And such.
And such.
You are saying it is not their right.
And that is what has gotten our country into this position as the overreaching arm of the federal government, getting into the business of the local communities.
You know what?
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe parents should tell their kids they're stupid.
Okay, so that was...
Because the truth of the matter is separation of church and state is to protect individuals from the state.
And they make it sound like, oh, this is federalism reaching into our communities.
Nonsense.
It's federalism designed to keep your communities from being reached into.
It's supposed to let you be a religious nut on your own.
Yes.
It's that the government can't come and stop you from being religious.
It's the federal government coming and actually defending the Constitution from local zealots who don't want to respect the Constitution.
That's what that, that's what that means.
Yeah, sure.
You know, yeah.
Anyway, before we move on to our next story, I just had German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
She said that German multicultural society has failed.
Immigrants should learn German and adopt Christian values.
Yeah, I guess the same Christian values that led to the Holocaust.
Hello!
Lady!
Okay.
Can somebody hit the Boeing button?
Do we have a Boeing button?
Did you know that the Holocaust Boeing button?
Did you know right-wing activists are boycotting Campbell's soup because they offer a line of halal soups that cater to Islamic dietary specifications?
And I say, racist.
Racist.
That's what Campbell's soups are.
Did you know the Rent Too Damn High candidate in New York, Jimmy McMillan, said during the debate on gay marriage, if you want to marry a shoe, I'll marry you, prompting Republicans to ban same-shoe marriage.
That's a good joke.
These are Stan Stankos.
He wrote these jokes.
He's fantastic.
The Vatican newspaper says that Homer Simpson is a Catholic, meaning he doesn't believe in a thing the church says either.
Okay, so let's move on.
We're going to talk about education reform because I saw Waiting for Superman last night.
So did Ben Zelavansky.
But I also saw a clip about education reform.
I was watching MSNBC because my man was filling in Jenk Euchar.
And, well, this is What I have to say about it seems like everybody these days is talking about education reform.
Well, there's a new movie out called Waiting for Superman, and the point of that movie is you can't wait for Superman to come fix your problems, that we have to do something else to fix the problems.
But they never say really what, except, you know, you got to break the teacher union somehow.
That's what they're saying.
In fact, I turned on MSNBC the other day and saw one of my favorite progressives, Jenk Euchre, talking about the success of Michelle Ray.
She's the chancellor of the Washington, D.C. schools.
She's a hard-nosed reformer with almost zero years of teaching experience, but she knows how to fix public schools.
Hey, let's just, what has she accomplished, Jenk?
Let's take a quick look at just some of the things Rhee was able to get done in arguably the nation's most difficult urban school system.
She dismissed 241 teachers, put another 737 on notice that if they did not improve, they too would be shown the door.
Reclosed two dozen schools that were not getting it done, and she negotiated a groundbreaking contract with the teachers union that included provisions for performance pay and ending tenure as a job-for-life provision.
That means teachers who are rated as ineffective are immediately terminated.
If they're rated minimally effective, they have possible pay raises frozen.
And if they show no improvement in two years, they also get fired.
Wow.
Sounds like Michelle Ray sure did fire a bunch of teachers and close a bunch of schools.
That's what she got done in three years as chancellor.
Now, that's tough luck.
Well, it's tough anyway.
Did it help students?
Who knows?
All I know is if the goal was to demonize teachers while scoring cheap political points and increasing class sizes as well, well, Michelle Ray sure did get her done.
You know, you can rant on and on about firing the bad teachers and keeping the good teachers.
Everybody wants to do that.
But there's a lot of other issues.
Like, one of the issues is how do you determine who's bad and who's good?
For instance, one study found that fewer than one-third of the teachers who were ranked in the top 20% one year were in that top group the next year, while another third moved all the way down from the top 20% to the bottom 40% within a single year.
So how did that happen?
How did they go from being a good teacher to being a bad teacher in one single year?
It sounds crazy.
So I'm just going to go ahead and blame the unions, especially because there's a simple solution here.
All you have to do is fire the teachers in the years they're bad, then hire them back when they're good.
Problem solved.
Well, Jenk was interviewing a guy named Darrell Bradford, the executive director of a foundation, an organization called E3, Excellent Education for Everyone.
And their big idea to help reform education is exactly the same as Michelle Ray's.
She wants to privatize education and break the teachers' union.
In fact, you think I'm kidding?
Here's the question that Jenk proposed to him.
Nationwide, do we have to, I mean, this sounds radical, but do we have to break the teachers' unions?
And look, and I'm split on unions.
Let me just break in here and say I'm split on unions too.
I mean, let's, are they good or bad?
I don't know.
Let's look at the countries that do have unions, you know, like United States, Western Europe.
Let's look at the countries that don't have unions.
China.
Okay, well, like I said, I'm split.
Okay, back to the question.
And is that the problem here that you got teachers who are, there's nobody else in a corporation, they're fighting against the corporation.
Here, there's no other power to balance them out.
Yes.
See, that's the crazy things about those teacher unions.
There's no other power to check them.
You know, like when they're negotiating their contracts, they're in a room all by themselves, negotiating with a bunch of empty chairs.
Which explains why teachers have historically been the most overpaid people in our society.
It's like unions aren't, teacher unions aren't fundamentally the problem, but they are the problem when schools are bad.
Just so you guys know, he said that with a straight face.
Yes, there's teacher unions at the best schools and there's teacher unions at the worst schools.
So according to our friend Daryl Bradford, if you want to determine why one school is good and one school is bad, don't look at what's different about them.
You're supposed to look at what they have in common.
So let's see, the good schools, their parents are involved in their education.
They have a safe learning environment and small class sizes.
Is that what they have at the bad schools?
No.
Hmm.
Well, that can't be the problem then.
They have teacher unions at the good schools.
Well, do they have them at the bad schools?
Yes, they do.
Well, that must be the problem.
I guess that's the logic.
Okay, now let's get back to some more union bashing and scapegoating.
And what they really have is the best interests of their members at heart, because their members pay dues and their economic interests ultimately trump everybody else.
Okay, okay, I think we finally put our finger on the problem here.
The problem is that the teachers' economic interests ultimately trump everybody else's.
That must be why teachers are so lavishly paid, because they're so busy worrying about their economic interests.
That's why you always hear about people getting out of corporate America and becoming teachers.
It's not because being a faceless office drone and a slave to the quarterly balance sheet is ultimately a dissatisfying and soul-crushing existence.
No, it's because teachers are making that sweet, sweet bank.
Oh, thank God.
Somebody finally had the balls to stand up to these fat cat teachers.
You know, I have a little anecdote I think sums up what's wrong with today's education and today's teachers.
My niece just graduated Princeton, top of her class.
I told her, honey, use your gifts.
Go to Wall Street.
Help people.
she decided to cash in, became a teacher, because she's nothing but a goddamn money grubber.
*music*
Okay, and so, you know, you guys didn't see Waiting for Superman.
I'm talking to Paul and Robert.
You guys haven't seen it.
But now, Ben, you saw Waiting for Superman, and you see a lot of people talking about education reform.
And we talked a little bit about, you know, that's what people want to say.
Okay, when you have a good school, it's because there's good teachers.
And when you have a bad school, it's because there's bad teachers.
and we have to get rid of the bad teachers union.
Well, that doesn't make any...
The movie sucked.
So we have to get rid of that writers' union, that actors' union, and the directors' union, because it's the unions that are causing the problem.
Nobody ever looks at the other countries that are beating us.
They always go, oh, you know, we're falling behind.
Like, Finland is the number one in education.
Yeah, they use that in the movie.
They compare, you know, they say, you know, if only we could get rid of the bottom 5% of teachers, we could be as good as Finland.
But what they don't mention is that Finland's teachers are completely unionized.
They don't mention that Finland, they're not like slaves to the standardized testing that we are here because we can't think of any other way to properly evaluate education.
And Finland also Has a 5% poverty rate, kids living in poverty compared to 20% here.
Okay, a couple other things about Finland that they don't tell you.
Three teachers per every classroom in Finland, as opposed to here where there's one.
And also, their class sizes are 20 students.
Whereas there are about 35 to 40 to 1 now in California.
That's what I know.
You know what else they don't tell you about Finland?
Everyone there has Finns.
That is true.
Hold on, just to be fair.
The thing they also tell you about Finland is Finland isn't 260 million people.
You know, like, I just, that's one thing that I think always doesn't get said is that the federal government of the United States is trying to do something that is virtually undoable, which is govern a massive country.
Yeah, but we also have resources relative to Finland.
Like, it's the proportions that are the issue.
Like, we could, you know, we've got the money.
It's not the money, it's the management.
I agree.
Well, I think it's both because, you know, first of all, you know, people are talking about we need to spend, some people say we need to spend more money on education and we don't.
Like, it's going to get to the point where we almost spend half as much on people's education as we do on prisoners.
So we can't do that.
You know, it's.
We want to make sure we're spending more on prison.
Let's think back to our school years.
There was always a kid that was a bad student, right?
Did any of us ever think it's the teacher's fault, right?
Yeah.
Ever.
Have you ever met.
Right.
No.
The bottom line is like the schools, the charter schools that they hold up to be like the shining examples in this movie.
You know, there's a lot of, there's a thing in the Times about Jeffrey Canada's school where maybe the test results aren't as great as they thought they were going to be.
Yes.
But even like, but he, in his defense, he's doing something that is more than just trying to fix some schools.
Like they get the, like his organization takes care of these kids basically cradle through college.
Yes.
And that's the thing.
There's another one, the seed, I think it is, in Baltimore.
This is the other school that's like a boarding school.
You can't.
And, you know, he makes in the movie, they make a big thing about, geez, we're spending twice as much per student as we used to, and we're getting the same results.
We're spending $8,000 a kid.
Jeffrey Canada spends $16,000 per kid, not including the stuff outside of the classroom.
Now, Seed School spends $35,000 a kid.
Now, these are what's called, hey, let's just say, these are what's called charter schools, and they point to these two schools as being the model of how to fix education.
And so this guy, Canada, in New York, in Harlem, he's created this charter school where they end up spending $16,000 per pupil, which is more.
So yes.
And so then there's another one in Baltimore called the Seed School, which they end up spending per kid.
So where does this money come from?
I say, well, they're getting it from Wall Street and corporate donations and stuff.
But also, the charter school gets money from the government, but they get money on top of that from corporations.
And I'm sure you will find behind all of these stories of these kids that are learning are parents that are present in their lives.
That's the thing that you cannot take out of the equation.
Because if a parent is not present in a child's life, it doesn't matter who's teaching them.
Yes, you want to know why magnet schools work because the people who, kids who go to magnet schools are the most motivated students in the district.
That's why they work.
And, you know, the thing, they make a mention in this wing for Superman.
So their big thing is how to fix education is you create charter schools.
What are charter schools?
Charter schools is the privatization, the corporatization of education.
And when that happens, when you create a charter school, you no longer have teacher unions at that school.
So that's why teachers are against it.
That's why, but I'm against it, not only for that reason, but because we don't need to privatize education because it's already been proven that charter schools are failing.
Only one in five charter schools create better results than the other public schools in their own district.
Meaning, four out of five charter schools are doing no better than the regular public school districts.
Or no better or much worse.
And at what cost?
At what cost?
We've now privatized education.
We've gotten rid of the union.
And we're not helping these kids anymore.
So now we've just, so it's obvious that isn't the problem.
I'm going to go one further and say that what we need to do is separate the motivated kids from the unmotivated kids.
Because obviously there's a quality of education when you were in a classroom of people that are focused on learning.
So we get that.
That was in one school.
No, listen, hear me out.
We get those in one school, and then in another school, the kids that aren't motivated.
And as they turn 16, the bars slam and it becomes prison.
But you know what, though?
But wait, all joking aside, though, that was the initial idea behind charter schools, was that they were going to spin them off.
The kids that needed the cream of the crop were going to get their own place.
No, no, no.
The kids that needed the most attention, they were going to pull them out of public school and put them in a charter school.
What the school privatizers are doing is now the exact opposite.
The kids that have the least problems, the most involved parents, the most promise, go to the charter schools.
They get all the low-hanging fruit.
And then the public schools are left full of all the kids that need the most, and kids that have special ed, kids that don't have English as their first language.
Kids that break teachers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's what they're saying.
They literally break teachers.
Like, if you want to know why teachers are phoning it in, it's because they go into the classroom, they have no support from their administration, and their kids are a mess.
Yes.
Well, in fact, I read, I went to that guy, Daryl Bradford, his website, and I read a thing about what he has a thing up there about failing schools.
And it talks about how there's no security at the school, and gangs are coming in there, and there's rats, and there's no lights that don't work, and there's no books.
And when I was interviewing him, I said, that doesn't sound like a problem with the teacher unions.
Anyway, there's just the things, there's so many things we need to tell you about education reform that I need to debunk.
And one of them is charter schools.
The charter schools are not a panacea.
They do not work like people think they are.
All it is is the, if you think privatizing health care works or social security, then you're going to also think that privatizing education works.
It doesn't work.
And when you hear Arnie Duncan and Michelle Reed from Washington, D.C., or the guy like Daryl Bradford I'm going to interview later, if you hear them talking about we need to make radical changes, they don't really mean that.
Something radical would be like, hey, why don't we decide to put an extra teacher in every classroom?
Yes.
Why don't we do that?
That would be radical.
And why don't we decide to cut every class size in half?
And people go, can we afford that?
Yes!
We can afford that.
And we're up against a break, and this is Jimmy Dore on Pacifica.
We'll be right back.
Jimmy, what am I going to do with all this money I have laying around?
It's getting to be a real hassle.
Ben, I've got an idea.
Why don't you support one of the few sane voices in the radio landscape out there today?
Tom Lakus?
Ben KPFK.
Oh, KPFK.
That's the home of the Jimmy Dore show.
That sure is.
That's right.
It's the voice of the people, not the corporations.
Oh, I love the people.
But there's a catch when you're not funded by corporations completely.
People need to step up and keep the voice of the people alive.
Boy, I thought the corporation cut you off when you said that.
I did.
There was a blow dart in my neck.
I had to pull it out.
So we reclaimed the mics.
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Arrested.
That's right.
arrested.
The Federal Reserve, which controls America's monetary policy, says it is trying to invigorate job creation in our country by slashing interest rates to the bone.
The Fed's move allows big corporations to borrow money for next to nothing so they can expand and start hiring again.
Great goal.
How's it working out?
Well, the first step has gone splendidly with such giants as DuPont, Hertz, IBM, Microsoft, and PepsiCo rushing to grab the windfall.
They've borrowed hundreds of billions of dollars at interest rates of less than 1%.
However, there's been quite a stumble on step two of the Fed's plan.
Rather than putting this enormous stash of cash to work for America, the corporations are simply squirreling it away for their own enrichment, refusing to spend it on the job expansion that our economy desperately needs.
For example, Microsoft, one of the richest corporations on earth, amassed nearly $5 billion under this opportunistic borrowing scheme, yet has put none of the cheap money into job creation.
Instead, it's using a big chunk of it to buy back stock from its own shareholders, a move that merely profits the handful of rich elites who control Microsoft.
Worse, such corporate powers as Hertz and PepsiCo are using the funds to take over competitors.
These consolidations will actually cut jobs while reducing consumer choices and raising our prices.
Indeed, there's no provision in the Fed's program to keep the giants from investing the money in foreign expansion, thus offshoring more American jobs.
This is Jim Hightar saying, and there's the rub in nearly all of Washington's indirect job creation efforts.
Government officials blithely dole out billions and even trillions to corporations and banks with no strings attached.
So the big shots and bastards gleefully grab the money and run.
Okay, welcome back to the Jimmy Door Show.
I'm in the studio with Ben Zelovansky, Paul Gilmartin, and Robert Yasimura.
What do we got coming up?
I'm going to play the interview.
You know why I played the clips of me talking to Daryl Bradford earlier in the show?
The education expert.
Well, I actually called him.
We got an interview.
I got about a 10-minute interview where I asked him all the questions you want me to ask him.
Also, Moron calls in.
We have a vintage moron today.
Yeah, Moron's sick under the weather.
It's raining.
And what else?
We might even talk about Bill O'Reilly coming up or some pension stuff.
But I wanted to let you know on Thursday of this week, which is if you're listening to this on the podcast, which you have to be, I guess, tomorrow, October 21st, at Flappers in Burbank.
It's a new comedy club in Burbank.
Where is it?
It's at 103 East Magnolia Street.
Yes.
And it's the Jimmy Doran friend show.
And our special guest tomorrow is Al Madrigal and James Adomian.
Look at that.
Those are some special guests.
Robert Yasamura, you're going to be hosting that show.
God, it's going to be a fun show.
Dave Dayon from Fire Dog Lake is going to be on that show.
Danny Bevins will be on that show.
It's going to be a fun show.
It's going to be a fun show.
So that's Flappers in Burbank tomorrow.
That's a great show.
You know what?
Flash your medical marijuana card.
You get in two for one or half price.
That's damn right.
That's the kind of crowd we want to build over there.
Yeah.
And I'm also, I'm not going to actually be there in person.
But where are you going to be doing?
I'm going to be at the Ann Arbor Comedy Showcase in Ann Arbor, Michigan this weekend, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
And then I'm going to see on October 29th and 30th at the Ventura Comedy Club out in Ventura, California.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Okay, right now, would you like to hear?
I say we listen to my interview I did with Daryl Bradford, and then we can kind of break in and talk about it.
He talks in paragraphs, right?
You ask him a straight question, and he didn't, not that he's a bad guy or anything like that.
I think his intentions are good.
People, I think Michelle Reed's intentions are good.
I think she really did think she could reform education, but she has no education experience in the classroom.
She doesn't know what no education experience as an administrator, and she has no interest in being an administrator long-term.
So she doesn't care about the consequences.
And she's a bad dancer.
And she's a horrible dancer.
She's a horrible dancer.
Okay, so let's go.
Here's some of that interview.
Now, can I ask you, what would be if you could, if you could be Michelle and you would be the superintendent of the United States school districts, what would be the first three things you would do that would help get our schools going?
Wow.
So, well, if I was Michelle, I'd certainly be better looking, which would be a good place to start.
So, all right, there's three things I would do.
And the first and most important one is that we have to understand that lots of people in America have monopoly relationships with their local school systems.
They don't make enough money to go to school.
There's no charter schools.
There's no competition among the district schools.
And so that creates a relationship that doesn't drive any reform and doesn't make anybody accountable.
I used to tell people, when I first went to New York, I lived in this little apartment on 94th Street, and I made like no money, and I spent all of the money I had to live in this little apartment.
It was like the worst building on the block.
And so I knew that I didn't make enough money to move, and my landlord knew that.
And so that set up the boundaries around our relationship.
And so school districts all across America act that way, but lots of parents.
They know the parents can't go anywhere.
They know the kids can't go anywhere.
And so they don't do anything.
So, you know, talk about charter schools, talk about interdistrict choice and magnet schools, and talk about virtual or private school choice and vouchers and tax credits, all that thing.
All of that is meant to expand a parent's ability to exit a monopoly that is failing or unsponsored.
Okay, that list he just gave real quickly there.
He said he tried interdistrict competition, magnet schools, charter schools, tax vouchers, vouchers and tax credits.
And it's like, he says it's so quick.
I don't even know what he said.
I had to rewind it three or four times.
I think I even heard him say sham wow in there.
So anyway, I just want to, so this guy's obviously I'm trying to, I didn't want him to give stump speeches, but he's stump speeching me.
So look, here we go.
That's the first thing.
So your first big thing would be provide choice to parents and where they can send their kids.
And what would be the mechanism to provide choice?
Well, you kind of have to have 50 mechanisms.
I'm not trying to dance around the answer.
I'm just trying to say if the answer is as diverse as every state is.
So that's why let's totally so we can't get into each we can't have 50 different answers.
So let's just pretend we're in a utopia and you are the education czar and you get to do three things.
So the first thing you would do is expand choice.
And in a perfect world, just for the sake of time constraints, let's just pretend we're in the state of education and you can do whatever you want.
And how would you bring choice to the parents?
Okay, so the first thing I would do is I would look at the clusters.
I would reverse choice.
Parents at the very top who have a ton of money have essentially already made a choice.
They've navigated the system in a way that they've moved someplace or paying very high real estate taxes to be in a place where they have great schools.
It sounds to me like what he just said was that, yeah, the people at the top income, they've navigated the system.
They're going to go somewhere where they pay high real estate taxes so they can have better schools.
It sounds like what he just said was more money equals better schools.
That's what it sounds like.
Okay, we'll keep going.
I'm less concerned about them.
As you go down the scale, you find kids who are in worse situations with parents with less mobility, and that's where you want to ratchet up choice.
So if, you know, in the state of education, in the town of terrible schools, I would make sure that the lowest performing kids had these things available to them.
They would get to attend public schools in other districts that had space.
And I would let other districts decide whether or not they wanted to participate in the program because nobody wants busing and nobody wants kids shut down their throats.
Okay, so his first idea is to, if there's schools in other districts that are empty, that are better schools, that have open space, your kid can get on a bus if he can afford to get on a bus, can go to that school.
That's his idea.
That is never going to happen.
There is never going to be an administrator at another school going, sure, bring more kids over to my school that I have to now educate that I don't get more money for.
Well, also what he's saying is that these kids that are doing the worst in schools that already have parents that don't have the time to be involved or don't understand that they have to be involved, what he's going to do is give those parents more research to do, more work to do so they can figure out where to send their kids.
Yes, that's very good debunk.
What drives me crazy?
What drives me crazy about this is this is the essence of the Republican fallacy, which is all things are solved through competency.
That is clearly not true when it comes to this.
If you're trying to educate publicly students, this is not the case.
This is like the fire department.
Just make the best fire department.
Just make the best school.
The goal is education.
Yes.
All right, let's get back to this.
You guys are all great input.
Thank you.
I would actively.
No great input from Paul so far.
But we're still listening.
The show's not over.
The show's a lot more to go.
I'm actually aggressively pursue people who are running great charter schools in other parts of the country, like TIP and Uncommon and Shoot McFirst and these guys, and I would incentivize them to come into this area and expand capacity.
Okay, so what he just said, that he would then find the people who are running the best charter schools and incentivize them to come open more charter schools.
Well, why wouldn't you just go to the best high schools and find the principals and incentivize them to come open a regular high school?
Or if they're doing such a great job with these charter schools, do what they're doing on the public level.
Yeah, what are they doing?
Is the answer like to have so many great choices for schools that we eventually phase out public schools altogether?
So the parents that are new to this country or that have kids that have special needs that aren't going to be taken by a charter school, they just get no option.
We have to make the public schools work.
What if we turn each child into a stock and then we have a public offering for each of those children?
I'm telling you, there's somebody...
And then we decide which ones go to NASDAQ, which are...
That's the problem is the Republicans are saying, well, we're not getting our money's worth in terms of what we're investing.
It's the same thing that they do with – Right.
They look at it from the opposite end.
Like, you look at your health insurance as something you need to go to the doctor.
I have health insurance?
I have health insurance?
Oh, God, Gil Martin.
I'm trying to make a salient point, and you're killing me.
He's had health insurance since 95.
Are you kidding me?
No, I haven't.
Yes, you have.
But the Republicans look at it like they're investing in you.
That the longer you're healthy, the better investment they get.
So the problem is that they apply this paradigm to education.
There's nothing that shouldn't be making money.
Right.
The ultimate reason for anything is to make money.
If we're put out a fire to educate a kid, to cure somebody of a disease, if you can't make a buck out of it, what's the point?
And if it is making money, then it's working.
Yeah, exactly.
Like right now, like the way they have the banks, they're making money, so it works.
Even though they're now kicking at the highest rate in history, they're kicking people out of their houses, left and right.
That's a banking system that's not working for the country, but it's working for the banks.
So they say it's working.
Right.
Yes.
So just like just the way we've set up our eateries in America, right?
Most people who work in an eatery or a restaurant don't get health care.
That's a glitch in the system.
It's not working.
Oh, no, but everybody's making money until they get sick and then they go bankrupt.
That's not working.
Okay, so I'm having this interview with Darrell Bradford.
If you don't know who he is, he's the executive director of the E3 Foundation, which is trying to reform education by privatizing him and turning it into charter schools.
And that's what we're finding out right here.
He's telling me what he would do to fix education.
He just said, A, he would send kids to other public schools that are open, and then B, he would more charter schools.
Okay, here we go.
Back to the answer.
And one of the ways I would do that is I would look at trick schools, actually had space.
I mean, we keep hearing that, you know, all these schools are busting at the seams, but if you look at most urban districts, you can see that over the last five or ten years, enrollment is actually decreasing, or it's flat, even though they keep increasing facilities.
So where there was empty space available, I would make that space free.
And then the last thing I would do is I would essentially have, I would like voucherize a percentage of the district's spending.
And I would have like a randomly opt-ed-in sort of lottery-based private school scholarship program for 10, 15% of the kids to go to private, parochial, or hotline, private schools that want to give standardized testing and that stuff and want to participate in the program.
And then I would Let everybody see what happened.
See, the thing I often wonder when people say, oh, we have to, the teacher unions are standing in the way of us getting rid of these horrible teachers.
And I say, okay, let's fire all the bad teachers.
Now, where are you going to get new ones from?
Just like you said, the process where the new teachers go is in the worst places possible.
And it doesn't seem like we really, it seems like, would you agree that we're kind of demonizing teachers every time I turn on the news and they're talking about school reform, it often hinges on, oh, we can't fire these horrible teachers.
Now, I would say the problem is attracting better teachers because we all know that the people who graduate at the top of their class in America go to Wall Street.
And why is it that we don't really want to, you know, when you said $80,000 is what people make in Newark, that sounds like an average, pretty good living.
doesn't sound like a great living doesn't sound like i wouldn't i I wouldn't go to a dentist who made $80,000.
I wouldn't have a carpenter work on my house who made $80,000.
So earlier in our conversation, I didn't play this part, but he had made the case that, you know, money's not the problem.
He goes, let's look at Newark.
Okay, so they go to the one district in the country where the teachers are paid the highest for whatever reason, and they have failing schools.
And he says, you know, they're paying $80,000 average in Newark, $80,000.
And so I didn't interrupt him when he said it, but I just brought it back now.
I'm going, does that sound like a lot of money to you?
$80,000?
It's not a lot of money.
I don't know what you think.
For something we claim is our number one national priority.
Yeah, so yeah, you think somebody's going to quit their job on Wall Street to go become a teacher?
Because they, oh, $80,000.
I think $80,000 is a decent salary.
It's a decent salary.
Well, first of all, not in the New York metropolitan area.
It's not a very decent statement.
Not in New York, but Newark.
I always think $80,000 is enough to live on.
But first of all, he said it as if that is an exorbitant amount.
And he goes on to say it's the most important job in our country is being a teacher.
Well, then, why don't we pay?
Why do we pay it like it's a garbage man?
Why do we pay it like it's – that's what pretty much any public employee makes, a fireman, a cop, a teacher.
But most teachers don't – and let's just also be clear.
He chose the highest paid district in the country.
We all know they don't make that money.
Most teachers don't.
In fact, it was a cliche that teachers were underpaid and overworked in this country.
And it's only recently now that they – Republicans have figured out that they can privatize and take public money and put it into private education that they've all started to say, oh, teachers make too much money.
What the hell?
That's just happening now.
And so I just – like I said, would you go to a doctor?
Would you go to a doctor who only made $80,000 a year?
What would you do if your football team offered the quarterback $80,000 a year?
Right.
So – and again, it's just crazy that somebody like LeBron James needs a union and pilots need a union, but teachers somehow are going to be able to get it done without a union.
Let's remember what it was like before they had teacher unions.
They got paid absolutely nothing.
They could get fired for anything.
Fired for anything.
Okay, back to this interview.
So although that sounds like a lot of money to most of Americans because now we all work at Walmart, that's really not that much money.
And again, it seems like we need to – when we speak about education reform, it seems to me that the people who are talking about it see teachers as the obstacle instead of the solution.
a big criticism um there's two big criticisms with charter schools.
The biggest, and I'd love to hear what you have to say about it.
The first thing is that the people who are implementing all these changes, like Michelle Ray and Arnie Duncan, that they don't have any, they don't have any teaching experience.
For instance, why wouldn't you go get a principal or a couple of principals at the top performing schools in America and have them get on some kind of a panel and maybe they could spearhead a movement because they obviously know what works in good schools, whereas Michelle and Arnie Duncan combined have three years teaching experience in the classroom and that teaching experience would be in a third grade.
Now, and so, oh, by the way, so and what is your background?
Are you a rear teacher?
Okay, here comes a million-dollar question.
Here's the third guy that's want us to fix education.
We got Michelle Reed with three years teaching second grade.
We have Arnie Duncan zero years in the classroom, and now we have Darrell Bradford, and let's see what his teaching credentials are.
Before I started doing this, and this is why, you know, again, I'm so crazy about choice, and I want to answer your first two questions.
Sounds like he's dodging that I was a low-income black kid growing up in Southwest Baltimore who got a scholarship to go to a really hoity-toity private high school.
And that, you know, there were no charter schools in Baltimore when I was growing up, and it was, and then going to that school basically saved my life.
And I went to the University of Pennsylvania.
I graduated from there.
I moved to New York.
I worked in educational publishing for a while.
And then I worked in transition.
I worked in magazines.
Okay, so I don't know if you remember.
Do you remember what the question was?
What is your background?
Do you have any education background?
You went to school.
Were you a teacher?
So he's basically telling you nothing.
Let's hear it again.
For a little bit, I did classroom teach for about two days.
It took me two days to realize I wasn't going to be any good at it, which is something I wish a lot of other people felt the same way about.
See, I figured out really quickly I had no idea how to do this.
So I thought I would just start really trying to fix it.
I tell other people how to do it.
I don't tell other people how to do it because I don't know how to do it at all.
In fact, it took the two days in the classroom for it to kick my ass.
But you now know what I'm going to do?
Is I'm going to tell other teachers what they need to do.
And I'm also also going to tell them that I'm going to take away their union because it's such an easy job.
They don't even need a union.
It's a job I can't do, by the way.
And you know damn well this guy doesn't make only $80,000 a year.
Okay.
I'm getting upset about it.
So I'll play a little bit more.
Here we go.
And then I was making a transition and I wound up getting into working on education policy and education choice in particular.
So I have zero.
He has zero expertise.
He has nothing.
He knows nothing about teaching, nothing about education.
He wasn't.
He wasn't.
You don't have to know anything about education to suggest what they're suggesting.
All you have to know is how to make money.
Exactly.
Because that's what they want to turn.
That's what they want to talk about.
If this guy went to a private, got a scholarship to a private school that saved his life.
The answer is not to let's get rid of all the public schools and only go to private schools.
The answer is let's spend what the private school spends if they're making it work.
Let's take the one in five charter schools that do work and try to do what they're doing on the public level.
Like there has to be a place where everybody can go to get an education or it will be the end of this country.
If we don't keep the public school system, you know, you can improve the public schools without getting rid of them.
If there's something that's working, and why schools do it.
Why not add a teacher to every classroom?
Let's do that.
I think that's the best idea.
That's the best idea.
If it costs $35,000 a kid, then let's spend $35,000 a kid.
Let's not pretend that because we're spending twice what we used to spend that all of a sudden that means it's enough.
Let's stop getting into wars that we can't win and maybe use some of that money for putting an extra teacher in the classroom.
But that only costs about a trillion dollars, though.
That's not that much.
That's only enough to educate kids for about a thousand years.
And if there's any money left over, let's see that little kids that have cancer are able to get treatment even if they don't have health insurance.
There's no money in that.
Can I play devil's advocate for some of this?
Sure.
The one argument that Republicans make and I think is really fair is we're the last superpower left.
And European countries do not have to have the power of a standing military that we have to have.
We basically are NATO.
Yeah, but let the military stand for a while instead of sending them someplace.
Yes.
Let's have a couple of years where they're just standing.
You know, we just sent $30 billion to Afghanistan without debate.
There was no debate on it.
They sent $30 billion.
You know what the race to the top was?
And this was the fund that was supposed to fix education.
This is Arne Duncan and Barack Obama's idea, big idea to fix it.
They put $4 billion in a fund, called it Race to the Top, and that was supposed to fix education.
They just sent $30 billion.
So that would be, I don't know, roughly about seven and a half years of Race to the Top.
They just sent it for a couple of months at a supplemental bill over to Afghanistan.
Yeah.
I have the feeling that we could not build any more military things and still be okay.
Nobody is going to enter into a conventional war with us.
Nobody.
Right.
That's the worst part of it.
I think even if we stop building planes and ships and everything right now, I think we'd probably be good for 20 years.
At least.
Yeah.
We don't need another jet.
We don't need another B-1 bomber.
We don't need another stealth bomber.
We don't need anything.
We need to stop spending half of our gross national product on technology so that we can win a war in two days instead of three.
Hey, it's Jimmy.
Who's this?
Hey, Jimmy.
How you doing?
It's Moron.
Hey, Moron.
What's happening, buddy?
Hi, Jimmy.
You know me.
I'm easily manipulated to vote against my own economic interests.
I have lots of anger at the government, but it's often misplaced.
But I do find comfort in the fact that my Lord Jesus the Christ hates exactly the same people I do.
Hey, well, it's good to hear your voice, Moron.
How's your summer going?
And what's on your mind this week?
First of all, Jim, I love watermelon.
Oh, I love watermelon, too.
But I can't never find a good watermelon.
Hard to pick.
I even had to try to read up on the internets how to pick a good watermelon.
Does it help?
And it hasn't helped.
No.
But good thing, Therese has the touch.
Therese has perfect melons.
What's your mouth?
Therese, I'm talking about the watermelons.
I'm talking about, okay.
Anyway, let's get to it, Jim.
And remember, I'm ahead from last week.
Okay, buddy.
Well, I got to tell you, Jim, I don't know about the mosque that they want to build right near the ground zero there.
Uh-huh.
Here we go.
And, oh, boy, I know that you're going to have somefalutin ideas why that should be a good thing.
Falutin?
Is that a word?
But I think it's horrible.
What?
I do.
Why?
Too close.
Too close to what?
To ground zero?
Ground zero, exactly, Jim, yes.
it's like they're saying we're winning and the americans are losing right in your face well first of all i don't think we're losing oh no we're losing i i don't see that we're losing i see that we're winning because we're not allowing the terrorists attacks to affect us We're allowing Americans to build a mosque near ground zero.
I think that's great.
Shows that we still have tolerance and it didn't change it.
What do you mean, Americans to build the mosque?
I don't really understand.
What I don't mean.
Well, Muslims are Americans too, moron.
The Muslims, Americans can also be Muslims, and Muslims can also be Americans.
Come again.
Yeah, the fact is, they're American citizens.
Hey, Jimmy says Americans can be Muslims too, and vice versa.
They did the same thing about Armenians.
All right, Armenians.
All right, anyway.
So they're Americans, and they want to open up their own church on their own private property.
Do you really think the government should be able to tell citizens where they can put their own churches?
No, not churches.
Well, that's good to hear.
Just mosques.
Well, a mosque is a church for a Muslim.
Yeah, that's what they say.
So, so what?
You know, everybody, Moron, pretty much everybody's for this.
Even the Mayor Bloomberg is for this.
Sean Hannity says he's no Giuliani.
Even the people in the neighborhood, the neighborhood council voted for this.
I mean, it all comes down to: do you really want the government to be able to tell citizens where citizens can put their houses of worship?
No, I don't.
Well, that's progress, I guess.
I think that the government should be able to tell people where to put their churches.
Good.
Just mosques.
Well, mosques are churches.
But, Jim, I don't go to mosques.
He got the dorm off.
That's not the point, Moron.
Hey, what about that Black Panther thing?
I saw that they don't ever report about the Black Panthers.
You gotta be kidding me.
Well, what do you know about the Black Panthers?
They know I'm scared of them.
Anything else?
I know that.
What I seen on the news box is that they stand in front of the polling place, intimidating all the white people they wanted to vote there for somebody else.
Well, you know, that story was actually investigated by the Bush Justice Department, and no charges were ever brought.
Did you see the fartment?
The Black Panther Party from the 60s is defunct in America.
There really is no Black Panther Party.
Jim, how could that be true?
I see the Black Panthers on the news at Sean Hannity's every night.
What do you see?
These two guys standing out in front of the polling place.
I think they got bats in their hands, and they look mean and scary.
Scary, how?
No, I don't know.
And what about Acorn?
You don't hear hardly nothing about Acorn in the regular news either.
You don't hear anything because it wasn't a real story.
What do you mean, Real?
I mean, what I mean is it was all debunked.
The facts were all twisted and manipulated, and it didn't really add up to much.
What the hell is this?
Did you put another blender?
No, it's not a blend of Teresa.
It's the magic bullet.
What the hell is a magic bullet?
It can make everything.
Breakfast, a margarita.
It can make a chicken salad sandwich in six seconds.
I don't want a chicken salad in six seconds.
And we don't need a winner.
It's not a blend.
Teresa tie over here.
What the guy targeting?
What the hell is it anyway?
Do you want me to make you a smoothie?
Oh, sure, another smoothie.
Okay.
You need something a little subtler.
Okay, that was thank you, Moron.
And you know what?
I want to I forgot to let you guys know that I got another voicemail from Palladino called me.
Jimmy, this is your old buddy Carl Palladino again.
Sorry I haven't called lately.
I was busy getting ready for this debate.
Turns out I shouldn't have bothered.
Nobody even noticed I was on stage except for when I had to slip out for a few minutes there to go to the John.
You know, if they had just put urinals in the podiums like I requested, I could have stayed for the whole thing.
But hey, what are you gonna do?
That's politics.
Anyway, you look at some of the other candidates on the stage there, and old Carl Palladino and his weak bladder start looking pretty darn good.
First, you got Andrew Cuomo, a career politician and all-around oily guy.
Then you got that hooker, Kirsten Davis.
Could you believe that?
I mean, we all got into politics to meet Easy Broads, but I wasn't expecting to meet one in the middle of a debate.
I mean, under the podium, maybe, but not behind it.
And what about that nut with the cookie mustache going on about how high the rent is?
Speaking as a developer and landlord, I found him to be the most despicable of all.
Even worse than Andrew Cuomo, who, as we have already established, is extremely oily.
There was a couple other weirdos there, too, but I didn't quite catch what their deal was.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with how things went because people get to see the real Carl Palladino.
Underneath all the racist emails, the adultery, the gay bashing, the anger issues, the hypocrisy, the shady business dealings.
There's a guy who's just plain incompetent.
Sorry, but that's our incontinence, incontinent.
Anyway, I still want to be on your show.
I even donated to the KPFK Pledge Drive.
So give me a call back so I can come down there, pick up my tote bag, and bash all your heads in with a baseball bat.
Okay, that was Carlos Carl Paladino.
Thank you.
I love him.
I love Carl.
All right, and that is our show for this week.
I want to thank everybody who helps make the show possible.
My producer, Ali Lexa, my writer, Stan Stankos, Ben Zelovansky, Robert Yasamura, and my guests in studio.
Same people.
Ben Zalavansky, Robert Yasamura, and Paul Gilmar.
Basically, what you're saying is everybody helped write this except Paul.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
People got that.
Yeah, I think people got that.
Okay.
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