James Delingpole and Jeremy Wade dissect gold yields, religious instincts, and music industry conspiracies, arguing that figures like Nick Drake were part of a psyop. They debate climate change as a freedom-seizing scam while questioning vaccine safety and the unnatural origins of dogs versus humans. The pair reveals how debunked topics like the Holocaust drive engagement, defends trolling critics over COVID-19, and exposes bot infiltrators targeting moon landing theories. Ultimately, they promote direct website support to evade censorship, framing chemtrails as a blind spot for toxic aircraft emissions while challenging established scientific narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
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Earning Yield on Physical Gold00:02:58
I love it.
I'm done.
Yeah.
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I know I say I'm excited about this special guest.
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Rescuing a Troubled Ewe00:07:25
Welcome to the podcast.
Welcome to Delling Pod.
German warfare.
I had to stop you.
You were doing what Dick does.
Which is what?
Which is talking before the podcast starts.
Oh, no.
You never.
You don't want to ruin the magic.
It's like the person from Porlock.
Well, it's not.
Actually, it's not like the person from Porlock interrupting Coleridge's.
Well, you've got tea.
You've got tea, and I've got decaffeinated coffee.
Do you know what I've got?
Have you?
Yeah.
Do you know what I've got too?
I'm trying to drink more decaffeinated coffee because I'm kind of.
No, I know.
I know.
Listen, mate, I know exactly why.
You heard my feelings, man.
No, you don't care.
You don't care.
Oh, no.
Hang on.
Wait, wait, wait.
You know how.
Sorry, this is more interesting than what you're going to say about coffee, which is really boring.
You know how.
We're already saved by Jesus.
Right, yes.
Because of the.
Because of the.
Because God sent his son and sacrificed him and all that, and he died for our sins.
But.
I've been thinking, I've been rescuing a lot of ladybirds recently.
I've talked about this before on the pod, I think.
The house, our house, you probably didn't even get it.
They're called something else.
They're probably called thunderbugs or something in South Africa.
No, no, ladybirds.
Do you have them?
You have ladybirds?
Okay.
And in Thailand, they're called ladyboys.
How can you tell?
Oh man, I wish I had a drum sound effect for that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would have been good.
Oh, wait, I do have one.
There we go.
Wait, did you hear it?
No.
Hang on, hang on.
I've got one right here.
It's a bit delayed, but there it is.
That's great.
Don't keep doing that through the podcast.
It'd be too annoying.
So, there are all these ladybirds swarming around our house.
And every time I see one that has been crushed underfoot, I get really upset because I think.
That is a ladybird that you, James, could have saved if only you'd intervened earlier.
A bit like God, I suppose.
Um, although God doesn't intervene, does he all the time?
Doesn't he doesn't?
But anyway, I, I felt that I feel when I see a crushed ladybird that that was a life that I could have saved.
So every day before I start doing my non-work, I go around saving ladybirds and, and, and because my podcast, um, studio, as I grandly call it, or it's just a guest bedroom, um, is, I don't come in here except for the podcast.
So, my first job is to try and rescue the ladybirds off the floor from underneath where I sit in case I squash them during the podcast.
Anyway, that's by the by.
What I'm wondering is does God care whether or not I do this?
Do you think God cares?
Yes, I think he does.
Yes.
That's my view as well.
Yes, because you were given the responsibility of being a steward of all the creatures.
Yeah.
I mean, if we're going to get very philosophical very quickly, why is a ladybird less important than, say, a lion?
Well, I think I'm not sure I want to discuss that, but I think it probably is.
Just like a lot of things one feels on a sort of gut level without having to analyze them too much.
And I think one of the problems with the intellectual culture in which I was raised, and possibly you were raised too, is that.
We develop these very fine, highfalutin arguments about things like that.
And actually, they're, they're one of the reasons the world's in the mess it is today.
I think sometimes if we just cut to, yeah, my gut tells me lions are more important than ladybirds because they are.
And humans are way, more important than even, than even lovely gorillas or chimps.
Yeah.
I think that would save us a lot of, a lot of nonsense.
And also it would destroy the career of people like Peter Singer, which has got to be a good thing.
Um, but, but, but yeah.
I think you're right.
And I think so.
The other day, I was walking back with the dog and I saw a ewe, which apologies if I've told this story before to anyone listening to this.
I saw a ewe which had been cast.
You know what cast means?
When they roll over on their back for whatever reason, sometimes it happens in the rain where their wool gets so soaked, they sort of roll down a hill and they can't right themselves again.
Because the wool waves them down, or if they're pregnant as they are now.
We're in the midst of lambing season.
We're actually towards the end of lambing season.
So I saw this ewe which was cast.
So I went to do what you're meant to do if you see a cast ewe, which is to right her because she can't get up and she'll die eventually.
And I saw that the problem wasn't merely that she was cast, she also had this lamb.
Halfway, well, not halfway, the head and one of the legs was sticking out.
And I've since learned that if that is the case, that's really bad.
They don't come out like, they're meant to come out like that with their, with their two, two front hooves.
Um, and then they're easy, well, they come out, they don't need to be yanked out.
Anyway, long story short, I, I could tell that this ewe was in trouble.
The farmer wasn't interested when I called him.
So I rang another sheep farming friend and she said to me, That you is in trouble.
If the farmer's not going to come out to her, then you've got to deliver that lamb yourself.
I said, but I don't know.
He said, no, I'll give you instructions on the phone.
So I went back out into the field with my mobile phone and got instructions on how to deliver this lamb.
And it wasn't easy with this because you need both hands to be able to tug and stuff.
And also, you really don't want afterbirth and stuff all over your body.
And I can't get gloves on them.
So it was quite difficult.
Anyway, after much difficulty, I delivered the lamb, which was stillborn.
And then I phoned back my friend and I said, Well, I've got it out now.
And she said, Well, it's another.
I said, I don't know, is there?
And she said, Well, there probably is.
And so, sure enough, there was another started to appear.
So I pulled that one out and that was dead too.
And.
And later on, the mother died as well.
I won't go in because it's too depressing.
Trusting Your Gut Feeling00:03:20
But I sort of thought that that experience, I mean, I didn't mind doing it.
I didn't begrudge the time because I was trying to help the ewe out of a horrible situation.
You can imagine being a mother with dead animals inside you.
It's not what you want.
But I felt like the experience was a gift from God because he was saying, look, James, I can understand that.
Here's something you can do, and you can try and help my animal.
Kingdom, which you're a steward of and, and go on, have a go, have a go to me.
And so even though they all died, which is sad, it was arguably complete with everyone's time.
It was a test, James.
It was, I just, I just thanked God for, for giving me the opportunity to do this.
And I feel the same about doing ladybirds.
And some people might say, well, how come you hunt foxes then if you're such a kind of bleeding heart?
But it's not, that's not how it works.
I don't.
I don't hunt foxes to cause them any distress.
I don't, I hunt them because it's what you're meant to do and it's the natural thing and it's part of the order of things.
It's not, but I always want them to get away.
Anyway, it's going to be banned, but that's neither here nor there.
But, but, but you get what I'm, I'm here for.
No, of course I get what you're saying.
And I think there's a lot to be said about you mentioned earlier, you know, your gut feeling and just your sort of immediate instinct.
And I think your judgment was correct.
I think you made the correct call.
You went with your gut feeling.
And I honestly think that you designed also to listen to your gut when it says.
Or your conscience.
Is that the same thing?
Or that, yes.
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure.
Gut feeling is just the popular term.
But I actually interviewed, I don't know if you know Gavin DeBecker.
He wrote.
I heard of him.
Yeah, yeah.
He wrote an incredible book.
Is it going to be a good one for me to do?
Um, yes, but he's quite academic, but his ideas are very good.
I mean, it seems pretty obvious when I say it, but actually, if you think about it, it's really good.
He wrote a great book back in the late 90s.
I think it's called, if I remember correctly, The Gift of Fear.
And he argues the importance of your gut feeling, basically your conscious, that very, very quick decision before you overthink something.
So you didn't overthink something, you kind of went with it.
And that was, I think, the correct judgment call.
He makes the point, for example, if let's say a woman is working on the 12th floor of a building late at night and she's going home, right?
And so all the lights are off and everybody's gone home.
And she goes to the lift and the lift door opens and there's a strange looking guy in the lift.
Now, he could be anybody.
He could be just somebody who was working late or he could be somebody dodgy.
That's what you're going to tell me, Jeremy.
I wasn't going to relate to South Africa.
And she makes a decision in that split moment.
Does she get into the lift or not?
That decision, before overthinking it, is your gut feeling.
And he argues that that decision that you make is almost always the correct one.
And I think that's what you did.
You made a decision based on your gut feeling.
Music Beyond the Normie Explanation00:15:33
Yes, I did.
Well, certainly.
I've been surrounded by sheep long enough to know.
What the silhouette looks like of a sheep in distress.
It's weird.
You know, you know.
Oh, you mean physical sheep?
I'll put you.
We come out of the COVID era and I'll put you appraised to people.
Oh, no, Actually, this all connects.
Because I was wondering where we're going to go with this.
So we can maybe come back to this stuff.
Force the segue, James.
Force the segue.
No, I don't even have to.
I don't even have to.
This is absolutely perfect.
I've been thinking a lot.
Actually, not a lot, not at all, barely, about the Artemis 2 thing.
I've been thinking a lot about this.
Actually, no, I haven't been thinking at all about it.
I really haven't been thinking about it at all.
But I did dash off a Substack to sort of commemorate the glorious.
Epoch or moment in our history where we've been back into we've been back, and you may scoff, but I think it's important we've been further, we've been literally, actually, literally to the dark side of the moon, haven't we?
When you say we, do you mean you and I, or do you mean Artemis?
I mean, I mean, race, I mean, represented by a representative group of people.
Dark Side of the Moon.
I made, I made, so there was in one of my recordings last week, we made it, there was a reference to Dark Side of the Moon, and I made a horrible blunder.
I said it came from Ozzy Osbourne, but it actually comes from Pink Floyd.
The reference.
Did you not have Dark Side of the Moon?
I'm not a huge Floyd fan, so no.
Did you not ever smoke much weed?
No, not really, actually, if I'm being honest.
I ate it, I ate it, but I just didn't like the smoking vibe.
But the whole Floyd thing, I didn't really get it.
I know I'm going to get shot.
Shot at for this, but I didn't quite.
It was just a little bit too arty farty for me.
And I feel the same about Radiohead.
Mate, everything is forgiven.
Post, once you're down the rabbit hole, once you're in the truth, the truth movement or whatever, it doesn't really matter what your past opinions were on normie stuff.
I was a massive Radiohead fan and I listened to a lot of Pink Floyd.
OK Computer was still a great album and still is.
I mean, It's still good music, but they just went too weird.
And I thought the same about Floyd.
Look, there are a few songs from Pink Floyd that I really, really like, but generally speaking, I won't play them in my car.
But they are quintessentially English.
And I mean, they came from Cambridge.
So are the Beatles.
And they went to public school.
The sensibility is very middle class.
English, sort of depressive, lightly suicidal.
But that's great, though.
That's what makes good music.
That's what I used to think.
I used to think.
I'm sure I've told you my Nick Drake theory.
I think you have.
Just tell it to me again.
So, okay.
So, just very briefly, when you go down the rabbit hole, and I see we've veered off course here, but that's fine.
That's fine.
We've veered off course into the music rabbit hole.
There comes a point when you go down the rabbit hole when you realize that the entertainment industry is absolutely key to the brainwashing and the manipulation of people and so on.
And then you start asking questions like, well, obviously Madonna is satanic, and obviously Lady Gaga is satanic, and obviously blah, blah, blah.
But there must be exceptions.
And this is what I call not Kate Bush syndrome, People try and make the case that, yeah, okay, obviously the Beatles were a Tavistock psyop and the Stones, but not Kate Bush.
She was just a kind of kooky artist who made these great albums.
And then you realize, no, even Kate Bush is in on it.
But then you get to more obscure stuff like Nick Drake, the doomed folky who topped himself.
I think it wasn't his mother in.
His mother was in Crossroads, I think, which is a popular.
I don't know.
That is a clue.
I hadn't thought about that.
His mother was in a soap opera.
Hang on, I'm just going to check this.
But while we talk.
Well, while we talk, let me show you.
I love music.
I actually have been playing my guitar again.
Check this out.
I got an offender.
Is that a.
I wouldn't have thought.
Do you know, I was going to guess it was a offender strap, but I wasn't sure.
Yeah, so I.
No, I'm a big fan of music.
And so I.
I find the rabbit holes in music particularly interesting.
The Beatles was almost a no brainer in many ways.
I don't think all of the Beatles stuff, by the way, was not them.
I think some of it was them, but I think some of their big stuff was not them.
And by the way, Shakespeare too.
Have you listened to my Shakespeare stuff?
Have you listened to my Shakespeare stuff?
That you need to.
It's brilliant.
I must actually put you in touch with him.
He's good.
You must get him on your show.
Hang on.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Just go.
Ah.
No.
His sister.
His sister was in Crossroads and Coronation Street.
Can I just finish my Nitrate thing?
Sure, sure, go ahead.
Those of you who haven't heard it.
Are you familiar with Nick Drake's music?
No.
It's wistful.
It's folky.
It's kind of raining outside, and you've got maybe one of those rubbishy electric fires when you can only afford to heat one bar of it, and maybe you're making.
We're talking about the 1970s here.
And you've maybe run out of drugs, or you're down to your last blim of hash, and.
And you put on your Nick Drake album and you roll on the gate fold sleeve, if it had a gate fold sleeve, which it might have done.
And you listen to this music, and it takes you to a place where you feel nostalgic about a past that you never actually experienced.
And you feel this wistful yearning for this world that you'd never achieve.
And all it wants you to do, make you want to do is kind of curl up in a ball and just cry.
And I I don't, at the time it was great.
I thought this is great.
This is what music's all about.
You get really depressed.
But now I'm thinking, if you wanted to destroy a culture, if you wanted to take away the drive of the most productive element of society, or at least the most intelligent, the best educated, you know, the, the, Nick, Nick Drake is aimed at sort of university kids.
So, and, and, and of course, in those days, university was attended by far smaller percentage of the population.
So what you're doing is you're, you're, Taking out like a sniper all the future creators, the creatives, the captains of industry.
You're getting them before they can move on into the world.
So I think even Nick Drake was actually a sort of cynical.
Maybe, I mean, individually, it was probably a sad individual who just made music.
I don't think.
Yeah.
So I've got a theory.
I don't think everybody in the music industry was.
You know, was taken.
I think, for example, I think a lot of the punk industry itself was very raw and untouched.
Never mind the bollocks.
Yeah, yeah, bollocks.
Yeah, you've fallen for that one.
It was the punk was about as manufactured as it possibly can become.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
A lot of it was, but some of it was.
I mean, Sid Vicious died like his own mother killed him and then she killed herself.
You've got not Kate Bush syndrome, but you're applying it to Sid Vicious and the.
Sid Vicious was like 21 years old or whatever.
I mean, if he was part of anything, he wouldn't have known, put it that way.
Yeah, it's a bit like you could make the same case about what's he called?
Control, Ian Curtis.
They're perfectly happy to take casualties in this industry.
And it doesn't, who knows when each of them gets the tap on the shoulder?
That tells them what their real purpose is.
I mean, I think that's one of the things that Radiohead's songs, Radiohead's Just is about, and that weird video.
There comes a point where they start sending those messages, don't they, to the outside world saying, Help, we're being held prisoner by an evil industry.
And by then it's too late because they.
And I think that's what Radiohead songs are all about, really.
It's about.
I mean, Tom York is part of the machine.
Totally.
Totally.
I met him once with Michael Stipe.
And oh, from uh, from REM, REM, yeah.
These do not give off the vibes, it's not like you and me, like freeforming, freestyling rather, freestyling our amusing banter and just saying what the hell we like.
These people are really constrained and guarded.
Tom York is a great musician, though, there's no doubt about that.
The guy is he's creatively brilliant.
I mean, he also created Gorillas, no, he didn't.
Oh, no.
I beg your pardon.
That was Damon Albon.
Damon Albon.
Damon Albon.
Yeah.
Who's also a great musician.
See, by the way, gorillas.
See how we brought back an earlier segment of the show.
If you see a gorilla that's lying on its back, should you go and help it?
But the music industry, look, just take it from me, Jim.
I think you're, I sometimes feel you're innocent abroad.
They're all.
They're all corrupted.
They're all part of it.
Anyway, going back to space for a moment.
We can count back.
Oh, okay.
We can count back.
There's the connection.
I mentioned Artemis.
Did you want to play us your Fender Stratocaster?
Was that with you?
No, no, no, no.
Let me rather not.
I haven't picked it up in years.
Who was the most famous one?
I'm only getting back into it now.
Hey, what?
Say that again?
Presumably, it is the iconic.
Guitar of whom?
Who's most famous for playing Defender?
That's Jimmy Page.
That, no, I'm not sure.
I don't think Jimmy Page played it.
But speaking of people in the machine, Jimmy, for sure.
Jimmy does not practice black magic.
He did not buy Alistair Crowley's house.
No, he didn't.
But interesting question who made Defender Strat famous?
I don't want to look it up.
I'm sure there are a few answers.
I would imagine maybe Jimi Hendrix, perhaps Eric Clapton.
I can't think offhand now who would have made it.
I know that Kurt Cobain played on a fender, but he played on a modified fender.
So I'm not sure.
It's a good question.
I don't know.
Who do you think killed Kurt Cobain?
Was it Courtney Love?
I think she was involved.
She wasn't at the house.
She was in Los Angeles at the time, but she was involved, I think, with the guys.
It was his friend.
I forget his name now who shot him.
Is this his friend?
His friend.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
I can't.
You catch me off guard now.
No, no.
They had a.
No, no.
There's a whole story.
They were at the house.
They were very, very high on cocaine.
And Kurt didn't want to do more cocaine.
They kind of forced him.
And exactly what happened in the moment, nobody actually knows.
But he did not kill himself.
That's for sure.
There was an overdose, and one of the guys shot him.
I forget his name now.
Yeah, that's what you do.
I think he's had an overdose.
What do we do?
What do we do?
Pop his heart.
No, no, no.
Put a needle in him like in Pulp Fiction.
No, no.
I've got a better idea.
Let's shoot him.
No, but that is because Courtney Love wanted that to happen.
So she helped set it up.
It wasn't an accident.
It was planned, but it might not have been planned in that very moment because they were so high.
But he definitely didn't shoot himself.
This all sounds a bit normie explanation to me.
No, Kurt Cobain wasn't.
Kurt Cobain wasn't.
No, but he wasn't a threat to.
No, but hold on, hold on.
Kurt wasn't a threat to anybody.
So he wasn't a threat to the system at all.
I mean, for example, John Lennon was a threat.
John Lennon, I think, was a central intel operation.
And that's why that guy cannot come out of prison.
I'll forget his name now, also.
What's his name?
The one you suppose?
Yeah, the Patsy, the one.
I think Yoko Ono, I think, was part of that shooting of John because John was, he was, I think, a threat.
Same as JFK, he was a threat in many ways.
But I don't think Kurt was a threat to anything or anybody at the time other than Courtney.
Sometimes it's like, look, I don't think when they took out Paul McCartney, In 1976.
I love how he just dropped that in.
I don't think that that was because he knew too much.
Well, obviously, he did know too much, but that wasn't why they killed him.
I think sometimes it's just ritual sacrifice.
That whole 27 club.
I think sometimes they just take him out because they had to.
It's like Tim Buckley and his dad.
They.
I think they both died 27.
These things are.
There are never.
There's always a normie explanation.
Like, yeah, they were high on coke.
The Myth of Clinical Detachment00:05:16
And then I was like, but that's not necessarily normie.
I mean, it's quite possible that anyone high on coke ever.
Ever.
I mean, I probably haven't done that much, but when I did, I never got the urge to get a kill.
You don't have a wife who hates you and once you did.
And you tried to kill your boss.
Will you say that?
No.
Back to the moon.
Back to the moon.
I was going to tell you something quite interesting.
I even, in fact, that's why I was late to start the podcast.
So, as I was saying, I have been thinking not very much about the moon, but I did a post on Substack.
And it was.
I don't know whether you find this with your posts, but.
You put up something, and for the first 10, 20 minutes, you get intelligent people responding intelligently and giving them their thoughts.
And then you get swarmed.
They suddenly say, swarm, swarm.
And they all pile in.
And all the intelligent comment and the respectful between each other comments are drowned out by this caps lock insanity.
Um,.
I love that term, caps lock insanity.
That is a great term.
I'm going to use that.
Well, thank you.
I nicked it.
I plagiarized it.
There was somebody who called himself caps lock hustler.
I think possibly H U S T L A.
But yeah, caps lock insanity.
Yeah.
If you want to sound gangster, remove the E R and change it to an A.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So that would make you jam warfare.
Do you know?
How many people still spell my name with a G?
It's ridiculous.
Well, it goes to show how.
And I mean, I'm not secretive about my real name.
It's obviously a play on my real name.
And you would think that anybody who's taken more than five minutes to know what I do and to know who I am can at least spell my name correctly.
Well, no, I don't know because this is an oral AURAL medium.
And people don't, I mean, that's a warning in a way to how few people read the show notes or the names.
I don't think anybody reads show notes, I've come to realize.
I mean, most people don't even listen more than, I mean, if you put out like a one minute teaser of your upcoming show, nobody.
Goes beyond that.
They just listen to the one minute teaser and then they make a whole conclusion based on that.
Okay.
Well, that's depressing.
That's what I found.
So, what were we saying before we distracted ourselves?
The moon.
The moon.
So, these people pile in, and I found it instructive because my piece had.
I don't know how you feel about the moon landings, but.
Essentially, I was arguing that we all have different ways into the space is complete bollocks story.
And for me, because I am, it appeals to my interests in language and culture.
The killer for me was when I saw the press conference that the astronauts gave.
And these were obviously.
Not men who had been to the moon and back.
They're just like really depressed.
It's like they'd done a bit of ketamine in the mall or something and they just couldn't cope with it.
And they did things like they went, they spoke about their experiences in the second person.
Neil Armstrong was asked what it was like and he'd said, and then you'd see or you saw.
And you're thinking, no, you weren't there.
This is your.
And the thing that people seem to always miss is just the human element.
If you have just completed the greatest event in human history, you've done something that nobody in the history of Earth, including animals, has ever done, right?
Not even lion, not even lion, Serengeti.
You've exited Earth and you've gone to the moon, right?
You come back and you sit with a sad looking face, you don't say anything, and then you don't do any interviews for 20, 30 years, and you become an alcoholic.
It's what you do.
You don't know how you'd react, Jim.
But let's not forget that test pilots and these people all have the right stuff.
They're completely different from the rest of us.
So when they're talking about experience about going to the moon, they have this clinical detachment.
They can't get emotional about stuff because it's life and death.
And they never did interviews.
Well, they never really did interviews.
The interviews had to be approved by NASA.
And so that's why Neil Armstrong did almost no interviews, did very few.
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And those were all handpicked.
And then when he gave that very cryptic talk in the 90s, I think it was at the White House or some governmental thing, and Joe Rogan still played it on his podcast.
And it's this bizarre speech that Neil Armstrong gave, in which he never once mentioned walking on the moon, but he spoke about peeling the layers of the onion of truth or something.
It was like proper cryptic.
And I'm sitting there thinking, what?
Yeah.
So what I find interesting about, Global warming is a massive con.
There was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition to my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in, well, 2011 actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it's screened.
In a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two.
New chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that, just go to my website and look for it jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those.
People who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Gaia.
And every day it's a scam.
What?
Yeah.
So, what I find interesting about this is that you make this point about the press conference, and people say stuff like I just said about how.
Test pilots are not like us and they don't speak.
They've always got their excuses ready.
They don't want to know the truth.
All their brain is doing is finding ways of explaining why your skepticism is misplaced.
And they definitely went to the moon because they did, they did, they did.
And my brain, as a normie, is its sole purpose when presented with moon skepticism to find a way.
To explain away the skepticism, not to listen to the skepticism and, and, and go, hang on a second.
You're right.
That it doesn't make sense at all.
They never want to do that.
So I got this from quite a few of the comments of the, um, um, on the, on the, on the piece I read.
And the other thing I noticed was that they love to regurgitate all this kind of sciencey science shit, like, like screeds of, of, of, of, Formulae and kind of, I don't know, physics and stuff.
And you're looking at this stuff and you're going, all you're doing is exactly how you're using the same mechanism that they use to control us.
You're telling me this is the science and this is what the science says, and therefore you're wrong.
But the sensible's response to that is, well, how do I know your science isn't complete bollocks?
You're just telling me, but you're not.
This is why, James, I.
I don't know where I got this idea from.
It's not my own idea, and I would love to claim it as my own, but I just cannot remember which guest kind of planted the seed.
But I've come to realize when people like Ben Shapiro say facts don't care about your feelings, I think that's a silly statement because a fact really is not all that important because a fact is all about interpretation, and interpretation is connected to storytelling.
And where I'm going with this is I'm I'm beginning to think that what's more important throughout the history of mankind is storytelling, not facts or the science.
Because if you speak to a pharmacist or a medical doctor, they'll say to you, it's a fact.
COVID 19 was a deadly virus, or I mean, a deadly disease.
That's according to his interpretation.
My interpretation is that's garbage.
There's no such thing.
But it's the storytelling.
That I think is more important.
That I think is where the truth lies.
Does that make sense?
I agree with the general direction of the point that you're making, but I think it's slightly misplaced.
Okay.
I believe there is such a thing as truth.
Yes, of course, but truth is also linked to storytelling.
You could tell a truthful story.
I suppose what I was sort of quibbling with was your use of.
As facts as being this kind of nebulous thing open to interpretation, I think the facts themselves are something that is either true or false.
So, in the case of COVID, for example, I think the facts, if ever anyone were capable of proving this in a court of law, well, mind you, would you trust a court of law?
I think what the facts tell us is that COVID was a pandemic, it was fake, that there was no deadly virus.
Yeah, but it wasn't a lab.
Yeah, I agree.
No, no, no.
But what I'm saying to you is a fact is based on who's looking.
So, in other words, I might not be talking to you.
I'm looking at a screen.
I'm looking at a representation of you.
And my assumption, 99,9999%, is that I am talking to you and not AI.
But what I'm saying to you is that.
Somebody like Neil deCrasse Tyson or whatever, he will tell you it's a fact and he'll make a claim about the Apollo missions or whatever, right?
And it's a fact.
And if you deny what he's saying, you're a denialist or whatever.
You're just in denial or whatever.
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Yeah.
And to somebody like you and I, we'll go, no, it's not a fact.
What you're saying is not a fact.
So now what?
What happens now?
How do you establish?
That's why I said it comes down to storytelling.
I think we're.
The word fact has a meaning.
And the fact that Neil deGrasse Tyson uses the word fact in a dishonest way should not impugn the usefulness of the word fact to describe a phenomenon.
No, no, okay, let me give you another example.
And I don't want to sound at all postmodern.
I know it can sound like that, but what I'm trying to suggest is that.
Okay, James, I've got fire breathing goblins in my garden.
It's a fact.
Now, you will immediately go, No, that's not a fact.
And I say, It is a fact.
Okay, so what happens now?
I now have to show you that it's a fact, right?
And I can show you some pictures.
Now, I can create those pictures with AI and they look very convincing.
And then you'll say, Okay, I'm not convinced yet.
Now, the point is, how do we determine?
What the fuck?
No, brox, don't care, Jim.
I just.
Oh, that.
Your far breathing goblins sound so shit that I don't.
Maybe you have some, but I'm not interested because they're not.
What are they?
This is South Africa, after all.
We have the Tokulosh.
So, I. There was another comment from somebody who was saying, a nice sounding chap.
And he said, I believe I was at the same university as you were, and I studied physics.
So I'm not totally writing off the science, and I am skeptical.
And I said, I sent him a nice, I hope, message back saying, look, A, Oxford is the training ground for administrators in the Babylonian court.
So I'm not going to trust anything that university says anyway, even though you and I went there.
And B, who invented physics?
So the tenants.
Many of the tenets of physics were put together by occultists in the 17th century.
People like Newton, who was an occultist.
I don't believe it.
And so, whenever anyone comes at me with their basic physics or their basic science, and I'm like, maybe I can see.
So, he gave the example of do you deny that apples fall from trees?
And of course, I don't.
I've seen too many apples.
I'm surrounded by almost as many apple trees as I'm sheep.
I've seen apples falling from trees.
It just happens.
It does.
It's happened too many times for me to go, nah, that's just weird stuff.
They don't normally do that.
But just because I know that I can see an apple falling from a tree doesn't mean that I have to, that it then follows that there was this force called gravity.
They're not connected.
Gravity is just the name that this weird occultist with a wig, sort of gambler in the South Sea bubble, really dodgy guy from a dodgy institution, the Royal Society, I'm not connecting that with the apple falling from a tree.
One I know is certain, the other I'm not so sure about.
I think that applies to so many things like history written by court historians, science is written by establishment scientists who are in on the game.
I don't think we have to take any of their stuff seriously.
I agree to a large extent with what you're saying.
I think we run the risk also, James, of being too binary, though.
If you're too binary, Kit Knightley talks about this in Off Guardian quite a lot.
You'll talk about the fake binary where you go, okay, well, he works at NASA.
Therefore, I can't trust anything he says.
But that's a trap because what he could be saying might be true.
What you and Kit are saying is trivially true.
And I don't.
You're saying we should all be nicer to each other.
Well, yeah, we should.
It's no more of an insight than that.
And we should help yous that are lying upside down.
Yeah, I'm not suddenly going, wow, Kit, you've made me really rethink my, uh, maybe I'm just bitter because he hasn't come on my podcast.
Um, that Kit, you've really made me think about my dogmatism and, and yeah, maybe I live in two binary world.
I don't live in that binary world.
I mean, I'm, for example, I'm not again science when it comes to bridge making.
If you break your finger and you need, and you need surgery, which work really well if you're building a bridge, I wouldn't know how to work them.
But I would bloody well expect an engineer because I don't want to be on that bridge when it collapses.
So that's fine.
But I'm just saying that, that for somebody to, when somebody serves me up a, a screed of, of figures and numbers and assumptions.
I agree.
I'm not going to go science.
Yeah, you've science the way out.
I'm wrong.
The way I see that is you have to kind of separate the theoretical academic, um, sort of wankery from, from the real world.
Constructing a bridge.
Is a real thing.
You need to walk over it or drive over it.
If you break your finger or your knee, you need surgery and there is.
Or maybe you don't, actually.
Or maybe you don't.
I just had a pin for four weeks, six weeks, and it made subtle difference.
And I'm wondering, actually, whether I would.
Well, anyway, yeah.
I don't know.
But they are obviously.
Practical sciences that make a difference and that are important.
However, there is a lot of theoretical intellectual masturbation going on, a quantum physics and astrophysics, and all of this stuff that you're talking about, right?
A lot of it is just science for the sake of science, if that makes sense.
It's just looking for an equation that looks better than the previous equation.
God particle.
What is this made up nonsense?
It's the same as virology is all just that.
It's just theoretical nonsense.
Climate change is just all that.
It's theoretical nonsense.
I mean, they can't even tell you what the weather's going to be like next week.
All right.
But by the way, have you come around to.
I'm now totally team Sasha Latipova and Mike Yeedon is on board with this.
That it seems to me that vaccines are.
And actually, Mirror's come around to this position as well.
Vaccines are the reason why we get ill.
Okay, you can worry about not eating seed oils and stuff, and yeah, you'll help yourself, and yeah, maybe cut down on the wheat because it's been the strains aren't the old strains and they've been pumped full of glyphosate and yada yada.
But all this is nothing as compared to the early damage that having a needle penetrate your skin and inject directly into your.
System, these proteins, which then cause a sort of an anaphylactic reaction.
I think that's a pretty fair claim.
I think that's a pretty good statement to make.
I mean, I think there's a lot of stuff that can make you ill.
I kind of sit somewhere between German New Medicine and terrain theory.
And I know that you can make yourself ill just by lying on the couch.
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You don't have to have a vaccine, for example.
If it's kind of made of radioactivity.
No, but if you're lying on the couch eating McDonald's and you're doing nothing else, I mean, you're going to get sick.
Yeah, But, but, but to feed into the comment that you just made, I think if you look at worldwide population sickness data, I would strongly agree with the idea that vaccines are creating enormous amounts of sickness.
Yeah.
So I think, I think they're on point.
Sasha's great.
Has she been on your podcast?
Yes.
She's great.
She's fantastic.
I love her.
I absolutely love her.
And that accent's great too.
It is great.
It really is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
In fact, I'm almost learning Russian just so that I can speak to Sasha in her native tongue.
And then buy an AK 47.
I tell you what, Jerm, don't do it.
I'm only doing it.
Do you know what I want to do?
Really?
Because my son.
Are you talking about learning Russian?
Well, trying to half heartedly.
Oh, my son said, Dad, don't do it.
It's no point.
You'll never, it's way too difficult.
There are different going verbs for whether you go on foot or whether you go in a car or whether you go in an airplane or whether you go.
There are different words for when you have.
I think do it.
No, I think do it.
Lunch, eating in the evening.
It's a nightmare.
Let me tell you why you should do it.
It is the most gangster sounding language out there.
I mean, the moment you speak with a Russian accent, even in English, you sound like a spy.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I agree.
For all those reasons and more, I'm going to persevere.
There's a sense of authority.
Perseverance.
So, like, think about this, right?
How an accent can change the way in which you perceive.
If you speak with an Australian accent, I don't think anybody takes you seriously.
But if you speak with a Russian accent, there's a sense of authority.
No matter what you say, you can be talking about a cup of tea.
You're absolutely right.
It's either authority or it's menace.
Or it's menacing authority.
Yeah, but that cup of tea has been laced with something that's going to get you to speak later.
I think you mean chai, as we Russians say.
Oh, okay.
And do you know what they put in their chai?
Jim.
I like putting Jim in their chai.
It goes by, if you read Russian literature, they're always drinking tea and eating jam.
So it's quite charming.
By the way, sorry, hang on, hang on, hang on.
Did you know that tea is actually not quintessentially British?
What, you're going to tell me the Chinese did it or something?
Yeah, it's Asian.
Yeah, it's quite interesting.
I feel bad about this because really, I really enjoy drinking Kenya tea, which is sort of proper hardcore, sort of, I like the colour, I like the amber colour and the.
I think it's just the best to drink for all round drinking.
It's builder's tea, basically.
And I think, how did that tea get to Kenya in the first place?
And how did it get Darjeeling and Assam, which is the other place for English breakfast here?
And it's because of the opium trade, isn't it?
Yes.
It's because of the we bastard, bastard, evil British, and Americans were involved in this as well, I gathered the other day, but mainly British, rather the evil cabal in Britain.
That's correct.
Forced the Chinese to get addicted to opium so that we could supply it to them, so we could then get their tea and all that other stuff.
Because otherwise, they weren't going to trade with us.
So, we, it's awful.
So, every time I drink my tea in the morning, I should be thinking, yeah, how many people died in an opium dream so that you could drink your cup of tea?
We've got a tea that's South African tea, but I wonder if you have it.
It's called rooibos.
Do you get that?
I hate it.
Oh, do you not like it?
No, it's a very South African tea.
I really hate it.
It's not tea.
It's, I mean, if tea could be gay, that would be gay.
I don't drink rooibos, but it's a very South African tea.
The word means red bush.
Do South Africans actually drink it?
It's very popular, yes.
My wife drinks it.
Do you know what I drank this morning?
And I found it really, really nice.
What?
I made, I got some comfrey leaves and some nettles and I infused them in water for, well, steeped them in hot water for about five minutes.
And it made a very, very nice beverage.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, nettles are good.
Dandelion.
All the.
When you become awake, you realize that one of the things that God did is he just.
He was really generous with his gifts.
He strewed all this stuff around you.
Like, what's about the most commonest weed in the English garden?
Yellowflower?
Dandelion.
Dandelion.
Dandelions are brilliant for you.
They.
Cure all manner of ailments and they're everywhere.
So, okay, nettles were brought over by the Romans, I think, to stimulate themselves for whatever reason, but so they're not a native.
But dandelions are a native.
You've got comfrey, which is knit bone for breakages, and you've got all sorts of things.
I mean, like docks and everything has got a medicinal use.
And we've been told that they're weeds which.
We can only get rid of with Roundup.
I mean, that's the evil pharmaceutical industry that provides us these poisons to kill the very plants that God put there to make us heal.
Ain't that funny?
Plants are actually amazing in many ways.
I don't think we should be eating all of them though.
No, because of their defenses that say, don't eat me, I'm going to poison you.
We should be eating the animals that eat the plants.
There we go.
So you end up eating the plants.
Yeah, we do.
But I mean, so I had this conversation, I don't know, two weeks ago with somebody or a few people.
I made the point that if a plant is very bitter, that is an indication that you shouldn't actually be eating it because that's a toxin.
Tell my wife this.
She insists on making this disgusting stuff called marmalade with several oranges, and they've got these really bitter skin.
I'm sure it ain't natural.
Marmalade is, it's got that horrible bitter taste.
You're not supposed to be eating something that tastes terrible.
I mean, animals, for example, they're very good at this.
They won't eat something that's crap.
Unless they have to.
My dog will eat literally crap.
Yeah, but dogs are different.
They're man made.
They're just disgusting.
Yeah, no, dogs are not natural.
Dogs are not natural.
The dog will be in there.
No, but dogs are not really natural, but dogs are not wild.
Dogs are made by humans.
So they're kind of some sort of hybrid between humanity and nature.
They can't live in nature.
I don't know.
Do you not think God made dogs to be like our little animal friend?
No, because humans pretty much made them.
Yeah, but that sounds a bit like evolutionary theory ish to me.
Not really.
I mean, natural selection is not exactly a.
I mean, you can naturally select something and you can keep doing it and you can create something from that.
You're not creating new species or anything.
I mean, I'm with you on the evolutionary stuff.
But I think natural selection.
I'm on a very micro level.
God makes a dog for what?
To live on the plains near your house in packs of wild dogs?
No, I mean, it depends on what you mean.
When you say God made dogs, because you get wild dogs.
You do get wild dogs.
I've seen documentaries about them in the days before I did.
I remember that.
Yeah.
Was Satan's envoy.
But I don't know.
I think that when God was, like, right at the beginning, God had in mind that cats and dogs were going to be domestic.
I think.
I don't think he was thinking, oh, I'm going to create these.
The dog's natural place is in the rainforest and the cat should be like a cheetah.
Now, I think he thought, right, lions in Germ's garden, leopards, Germ's garden, cheetahs, yeah, Germ's garden, jaguars in Germ's South American cousins.
Rainforest, yes, but that's quite racist, James.
Cats feel us are they called feel us, feel us domesticus or something?
They're gonna be, yeah.
I'm gonna have the cat just sit around doing absolutely sod all day until it wants to be fed, and it's gonna go and then it's gonna and rub itself and bash you with its head.
I think that was God's plan from the beginning.
I think, I think that is a very convincing argument.
Good.
Thank you.
Eloquent, I think.
I didn't think God was thinking, what strange thing have they done to this dog I have created?
How can they have what this is ridiculous?
I do not mean the dog to to come and to the command heel.
I did not mean the gold dogs to become lap dogs and be carried around by Paris Hilton in her handbag.
I don't think he thought that.
I don't think he thought.
No.
Yeah.
This is kind of the deal I expected.
But I will say this I don't think you've seen wild dogs in real life because they're not really.
Oh, have you?
Actually, have I seen wild dogs?
I've been all over your content, your dark content.
Oh, yes.
Sorry, I forget.
Yes, you probably.
I've seen many things.
You probably did.
They've got very.
Well, when I talk about wild dogs, I mean African wild dogs.
Yeah, I'm sure there are other kinds.
They've got these very big ears.
They are probably the most hardcore animal.
In the Kruger National Park.
Firstly, they're hunting packs.
But secondly, they, I think, are the only animal in the park.
And this includes all the wildcats and all the other big animals.
They're the only animals that start eating their prey while alive.
How hardcore is that?
Lovely.
Yeah, very attractive.
That is brutal.
I mean, every other animal, a lion, cheetah, leopard, whatever, they first kill the prey.
Wild dogs, not a chance, baby.
They start eating immediately.
That's next level, James.
And then you end up with Paris Hilton's dog.
A chihuahua or whatever that thing was.
You get there are such rubbish dogs out there.
Yeah, I'm not a, I'm gonna just, I'm gonna upset a lot of people, but there are a lot of dogs that I just think are crap.
I think those little things that sit in handbags, I mean, those are not dogs.
I don't think that the chihuahua is descended from the wolf.
I don't believe, I think dogs and wolves are separate.
I don't think they're similar.
I think you're right about the chihuahua.
But I mean, like some dogs are ridiculous.
I mean, You can't tell me.
You can't tell me that God created dashens.
I mean, they end up with back problems, every single one of them, because they're stupid looking.
Ducks.
What does Ducks mean?
No, I don't know, but they've got this long body.
The whole thing doesn't make sense.
They've got this stupid.
No, it does make sense, Jim.
They were designed for a very specific function.
That shape was designed for them making go down holes and.
Yeah, but they all end up with back problems.
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe they got a bit long.
I get very upset by stretching my nose, seeing how the wheelbase is just too long.
It's like, have you seen those new four door gymnas?
They look a bit ridiculous.
A little bit too long.
A Suzuki gymnasium.
Did you not get them in the UK?
No, I want one.
Oh, it's like a little Jeep, but it's tiny.
It's a 1500 engine.
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Oh, no.
They're great cars.
My wife's got a generator, but she's got the shorter one.
Yeah, it's a four by four, but it's small.
I'm just thinking you and I both had the man on our podcast, the medieval armor guy.
He's great, eh?
Great.
And just reminding me that he told me that Destrias, which were the war horses, were designed with short backs.
Because obviously you don't want a long back when you've got Armor on top of it because you collapse in the middle, so you're short.
It's good, it's better at the weight bearing.
I thought that was fascinating.
That podcast I did with him wasn't very popular, which just kind of shows that people are not really interested.
Which I, I mean, I found it fascinating, and I know you did too, since you also had him on.
People want hardcore.
Um, actually, what do you find?
I don't really look at my figures that much, I just don't either.
No, I don't.
So, my strategy is not going for numbers.
I go for quality as much as possible.
Yes.
But, I mean, this is a stupid question to ask you, given you say you don't look at the numbers.
But do you have any idea at all what does bring in more listeners?
Oh, well, I mean, based on interaction and engagement, something.
I suppose if you discuss vaccines, still you're going to get lots of traction.
If you discuss.
The Jews, I think you'll get, you'll get, whatever you discuss about it, you'll get lots of traction.
Depends on the kind of traction you're looking for.
If you discuss the Holocaust, you're going to get lots of traction, but it might be traction that's difficult to deal with because it's not an easy topic for most.
If you talk about the moon landing, you're going to get a lot of traction, definitely.
Do you?
Yes, I've done a few of them now, and every guest has debunked it from a different angle, and every single time it gets huge amounts of traction.
When I say traction, I mean in terms of responses that I physically received.
Right.
If I, if I don't know what, what the actual numbers are.
Oh, I see.
So that, that is the engagement element rather than the.
I'm just talking about, yeah, I'm just talking about engagement in terms of what, in terms of, yeah.
So sweet.
Hang on.
Let me segue quickly because this is pretty funny.
So this is a real dick move on my part.
I'm just, I'm putting it out there, but, but, but you're going to love this.
So I'm, I've, I've been going back through my emails from 2020 where people were, were, were calling me names and everything when I was going against the whole COVID thing and the emails were, Aggressive, like super aggressive, super angry, telling me I should die and all kinds of stuff.
So I'm now replying to some of them and saying, It's now six years later.
I'm still unvaccinated.
My child is unvaccinated and we're having a great time.
How's it going, your side?
And also, I was right.
And you're getting them bounced back because obviously they've all died, which is kind of sad.
There have been a few that have replied, and the one was just like, You just swore and don't ever email me again.
And then I have also just not received replies.
And then, wait, just to make it funnier, how's this for trolling?
So some of those who have replied, and I've added them to my newsletter.
That is very naughty.
That is.
Just to piss them off even more.
That's a very difficult one.
I find myself very tall.
It's just.
It's just trolling.
As a Christian, about how much trolling that one should really.
I mean, I suppose, properly as a Christian, you should not engage in trolling at all.
It's like, it's not what.
It's not what.
Yeah, but James, hang on.
Some of those people were very, very, very out of line.
Like they crossed all sorts of boundaries going personal, going off to my family.
And those are the ones that I'm responding to.
I'm not talking about the normal, the sort of normal ones.
Yes, but I'm thinking about Proust.
You know what?
Peter Duke tells us about Price.
And Price, that gets mistranslated as meek, or rather, we misunderstand the nature of the word meek.
What it actually means is the gentle strength required to control a warhorse.
And you're thinking, yeah, okay, I get that.
So, what Price in that case would be telling you to do is look, I could totally own these people, but I'm not going to do it because.
Yeah, because you want to be the better person.
And in most cases, that's why I said it's a dick move.
But in most cases, I'm always trying to be the better person.
But some of these, I'm like, nah.
It's very hard to be.
It's really hard to be the better person.
And I do not know what the consequences of this are when one is not the better person.
Whether we're going to have to spend time in some kind of purgatory scenario for every person we've owned on the internet in a kind of pure catty.
Catch it.
No, but I mean, I'm not, I'm actually not really being mean to them.
I'm just responding a few years later saying, you know, things are great my side.
Are things great your side?
Loss it how you will.
We are not Jesus.
I mean, that's part of the problem.
So we're bound to be slightly more surely God must understand that.
Look, like Jesus was your son.
Whereas we're just like, you know, German James.
We troll people for a living or part of our living.
I wonder if he trolled people.
I'm trying to think now.
Or any examples?
No, I can't think of any.
I don't think Jesus would have trolled people.
No, he wouldn't.
He just told it like it was.
And that's the element that we try and emulate, isn't it?
Well, he did.
Actually, if you think about it, he trolled the whole world.
Like, I'm not dead, guys.
Fooled you.
I don't think I want to go with that.
I wanted to ask you.
There's a line.
Well, I don't know whether it works or not.
You sprung it on me and I hadn't got time to think about it.
I wanted to show you something interesting.
Just going back to the space thing.
And I took a photo of it.
Cool, and then I must shoot.
Okay.
Right.
So get this.
So I was saying some stuff about the moon landings on Twitter.
And somebody, some troll, has a go at me.
And the troll says.
Most conspiracies turn out to be true, but we need a candle in the Stygian darkness.
I choose to believe in human ingenuity and the iterative nature of technological advancement.
Believing that the moon mission is fake, etc., must be a miserable headspace to be in.
And then, okay, so you think, well, this is quite an intelligent, articulate person, yeah?
Wouldn't you?
Reasonably.
Oh, go away.
And then, what else did he say?
And he's talking about me.
He says, James Dunningpoll is the guy who platforms really important people, i.e., Simon Elmer.
But when I recommend it, people say he's the one repeatedly posting on social media about false flags and moon landings being fake.
First of all, this person is saying, look, I'm a conspiracy theorist too.
I've spent a lot of time down the rabbit hole.
And let me tell you guys that you can push this stuff too far.
There's reasonable conspiracy theory stuff and there's very unreasonable.
And I can tell you now, speaking as somebody who's been down the rabbit hole a long time and used to be a fan of James Dellingbaugh, I can tell you that.
He's pushed it too far.
He's lost it.
And the second argument being made is look, I'm trying to present some of these conspiracy ideas to normies, to bring them on board, to show them what's going on.
But I can tell you the problem with people like James Dellingpole is that he muddies the waters by, he poisons the wells for his arguments by embracing these outlandish conspiracy theories.
Yeah.
You will have heard those arguments being made.
I've heard that.
Yeah, I've heard that also.
In comment sections.
I've heard that also.
Plenty.
Here is what should send a shiver down your spine.
This person has naught followers, follows naught people, was created in like a month ago.
That account was created a month ago.
It's got one of those generic names, you know, where lots of letters join together.
In other words, that is a bot, either a bot account generated by AI, or it's somebody working in 77th Brigade, sort of doing it manually.
But the bit that freaks me is the fact that he sounds like intelligent, sympathetic to the cause of.
I don't know whether you've come across the.
I talked about this on my podcast with Alex Thompson.
That about 15 years ago, the place where Alex used to work, you know, in Chapman, GCHQ, produced this document explaining how to infiltrate and subvert the narrative of.
Well, they were talking about extremists back in those days, but of course, these techniques are now being used on us.
And.
Those tweets are really, really plausible.
You'd think that that was a kind of intelligent person, but they actually care about the threat posed by me and presumably by you as well.
That they think it worth their while to pretend to be something they're not, to infiltrate the comments section, and to cast doubt on what we're saying by posing as a.
That is weird.
Sick, I think.
Yeah.
But I mean, that's part of the territory, James.
Yeah, but I would have thought if you'd asked me, if you told me five years ago, look, James Dellingpole, you are going to be considered such a threat that they're going to inveigle themselves into the comments thread below your crappy tweets and your edgy blogs, and they're going to pretend to be one of you and they're going to undermine you subtly.
And they're not even real, these people.
Anyway, I just don't know how to deal with it.
Yeah, I just don't know how to deal with it.
I get that a lot.
I mean, I've been called everything controlled opposition to gatekeeper to shill grifter, whatever.
And I think the best is just to probably just ignore it.
Yeah, but you're not really thinking about this one.
I can see you're distracted and you want to go.
I think you're missing the point I'm making, which is none of these comments are real.
They're all.
Oh, right, right.
Yes, yes, yes.
You're not real people saying this stuff.
They're pretending to be real, they're not real.
So, there's a narrative that's been created in AI and then it's been pushed out.
But even before AI, they were engaging in these methods.
What I'm saying is that when you get attacked on the internet, it's almost certainly not from a real person.
It's either from a bot or intelligence people.
Our movement is infiltrated to the max, it is polymer.
I think so too.
No, no, I think so too.
I think you're right.
I've been getting a lot of attacks lately, so I think you're right.
Yeah.
Where are you off to now?
What are you going to do?
Well, I'm ahead of you time wise.
So it's late afternoon here.
So I've got to go and sort out dinner for the little guy.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bath time and all that kind of thing.
I've enjoyed talking to you.
By the way, I think you are wrong about chemtrails.
I meant to ask you about this.
You are.
Let's do another show and we'll chat about that.
I'll give you the rundown.
Yeah.
I think you're going to quote me some more of that scientist screw, which I didn't say.
No, no, no, no.
I've built a pretty good argument.
We can chat about it.
They are real.
I watched a bit of your Jim Lee and I don't trust him.
I mean, I thought he was a likable enough chap.
I think anyone pushing a narrative that planes, the thing that gives us freedom to travel, are bad and are the real thing behind these things in the sky that are causing weather to change, I'm very suspicious of that.
I know, no, but he doesn't make that argument.
He comes across as making it, but he's not actually making that argument.
He's not saying don't travel.
What he's saying, what he's actually saying is that it's very nuanced.
He's saying all of this stuff is real, right?
It's all damaging.
Not just the skies, it's making us sick.
All of it is real.
But what happens in the chemtrail, in the community of people who are arguing this, and I've been part of that for a long time.
That's why I've been reevaluating the way I see this.
What happens is that there are blind spots, and those blind spots are preserved because the language, it's very, very complicated.
It's the language of contrails and chemtrails that gets you stuck.
It's like when you talk about viruses.
And then you end up going nowhere because you're arguing over a frivolous terminology.
Because if you say, hang on, hang on, hang on, that Emirates flight that went above us, that wasn't spraying anything deliberately, but what was coming out of it was still toxic.
There's a nuance there that.
Okay, that's fine.
But the consequence is still the same that there's still toxicity that's occurring.
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And what happens is that the blind spot is that.
If you focus only on that white line, you're missing out everything around it and you'll never fight it then because you don't know what's going on because you can never actually point to something.
But if you can point to something like Elon's rockets are creating huge amounts of toxicity, you can actually then go after SpaceX.
But if you're just ignoring it, because the chemtrail folks, for example, will never ever talk about rockets, never.
They never mention NASA rockets or SpaceX rockets.
Just look at what they're doing when they go up in those launches.
I mean, what's coming out of those rockets is a hundred times worse than what's coming out of your average aircraft.
But nobody looks at that.
And so what happens is it's a blind spot.
And it's the same thing as, I guess, when you have blind spots like with cars.
Like if you keep your car in the garage and you turn it on and you leave everything closed, you're going to get sick.
It's going to make you very, very sick because those fumes are toxic.
But you don't see anything.
And so that's the problem.
So when those planes are going over and there's nothing coming out of the back of the plane, Jim makes his argument.
He says there are still chemicals, metals coming out of the back of the plane.
But because there's no white line, you just go, oh, okay, it's fine.
And that's another blind spot.
But every single aeroplane is shooting out stuff out the back that is toxic.
And when you get caught up in the terminology and the language of the differences between contrails and chemtrails, Uh, you, you end up missing all of these other nuances, which, which are very, very, very important.
Um, and they're all about your health.
So, I mean, he, he testified, um, in 2015 at the, at the EPA and he argued, he said, we, we have to find a way to stop geoengineering.
We have to, we have to target those who are making us sick.
So, I mean, he's not, he doesn't say that these things don't exist, but he's, he's arguing of a very, very, very nuanced point, which, which I think is, it's a very sophisticated argument.
And it takes time to wrap your arms.
The most dangerous ones are not the people like Bill Gates, who are obviously Satan's emissaries.
No, but he says Bill Gates is doing what.
But yeah, no, I know.
But we all know that Bill Gates is a carbuncle on Satan's penis.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But somebody like Jim, you know, look, guys, I don't believe in climate change either.
I know it's, I know it's, yeah.
But all it needs is that one point.
Look, look, yeah, but it's coming out of your accidentally out of all those nice, nice holiday flights you take.
I don't, I'm not convinced.
I think that that could potentially be, um, Somebody who's infiltrated our camp to put out this one message.
Well, let's do another chat about this because it's a good one.
I think it's very healthy and it doesn't take away what's going on.
It just creates more detail, which I think is very, very good.
Nuance is very, very, very healthy.
But James, I've got to go and help the little one.
You go and do your thing.
Jim, just plug your products.
I love chatting to you, my friend.
I love chatting to you.
I'm going to bring you back onto my show.
Plug your stuff before you go.
So, tell everyone where they can find you if they haven't heard of you.
Oh, germ warfare.
It's G for the RM, isn't it?
Germ warfare with a G.
No, no.
Germ warfare with a J because my name is Jeremy.
I don't know how else to.
Maybe it was my fault.
Maybe I should never have gone to the link.
Is it dyslexic?
Germwarfare.com and also ukcolumn.org.
I've got the daily show there, which you've been on and you're going to come back on soon.
And everyone else, go to my website, jamesdanningpole.co.uk, and you can sign up now and listen to all this stuff, and it's probably the best way of doing it.
So thank you.
Bye.
A lot of you have very kindly been asking, what's the best way we can support you?
So thank you for caring, and thank you for wanting to support me.
There is now a new, better way of supporting me.
Some of you subscribe via Substack, some of you are on Patreon, some of you are even on Subscribe Stuff, and those all work in their way.
The problem is, I find, I mean, take Substack as an example.
Substack has been a great community for like minded folks.
Folk, but it is heavily controlled by the enemy.
They de boost people like me.
They want normie voices.
They don't want really alternative people being given any prominence.
Plus, of course, they get a cut of your generous donations.
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