Mike Yeadon and James Delingpole challenge mainstream science, asserting viruses are frauds and vaccines cause autoimmune diseases while promoting coconut oil crisps. They argue global warming is a scam to seize land, citing Climate Gate, and claim biometric ID systems are performative fictions designed for future rationing rather than real security. The duo contends that removing cash enables total control via Central Bank Digital Currencies, yet they remain optimistic that historical failures of such control attempts prove these modern schemes will ultimately collapse under their own complexity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome back to the Delling Pod, Mike Keaton.
I, I, I was, I wasn't, um, exaggerating there.
I think there's going to be lots and lots of people who are going to be watching this saying, yeah, Mike's back.
Because apart from anything else, they, quite a few of my listeners, I think credit you with, With saving their lives, and that was thanks to you that they didn't take the death jab.
Toxic Seed Oils Exposed00:15:35
All those, when was it all those years ago?
When was our.
I think, well, I noticed things were wrong.
I think it was probably February 2020.
And famously, I think on the day of lockdown, my wife noticed, Joe Bunny noticed, something had changed in me, and I was walking around the house muttering, We are in so much trouble.
I didn't know what was happening, but I knew you don't shut down the world economy over a cold.
And yet I could see it happening.
And so my brain was saying, oh my God, you know, we are in so much trouble.
I knew it that day.
So before that, I mean, I think you and I, in our different ways, have been on the same journey in that we were, to a degree, pillars or semi pillars of the establishment.
We believed in their paradigm.
Yes, I was a very good student.
I learned all the nonsense.
I could repeat the nonsense.
So, if somebody was questioning vaccines, I would say, No, they're very well tested.
You know, I can assure you nothing would be available to the public that had not passed the greatest scrutiny.
And my own children have been jabbed and all that embarrassing nonsense.
Whereas the truth was, I thought I was part of a noble profession where my job was to do in science what I did for a hobby, which is try and work out what had gone wrong with old things and try and fix them.
You know, that's what I fiddle with old motorbikes.
So I always say to people that science is very much the same.
You've got some knowledge, something's gone wrong.
Your job is to work out why it's not working, what you can do to make it better without breaking it.
So that's what I tried to do for 30 years.
What I didn't realize is that lots of drugs already on the market, if I'd looked at them closely, I would have realized they didn't pass muster.
But I never looked at any of them.
I worked in asthma.
And chronic bronchitis, allergic rhinitis, most of those drugs are, I would say, fairly weak, but they're not dangerous.
They're not dangerous because they're mostly low dose inhaled drugs.
The main problem is they don't work that well.
So I didn't, even looking back on it, the field I was in wasn't in the business of harming people.
Of course, the irony I later learned was the reason we have so many people with asthma is because of the bloody jabs.
It's awful.
Everything has come together to realize years down the road that there are substances in the vaccines that render a person's biology apt to attack itself.
And one of the consequences of that is you end up with what I would have called as a normie chronic autoimmune diseases, which is why lots of people have got atopy, allergy, eczema, asthma, things like that.
People used to ask me every few years, Mike, why do you think the incidence of all these diseases?
Has risen strikingly during your career, which is late 80s to relatively recently.
And I always said, I don't know.
Um, one of the theories was what's called the hygiene hypothesis that as we've left the land and occupied cities and become obsessed with cleanliness, yeah, we our children are no longer exposed to helpful soil organisms.
They don't pat animals anymore, they don't feed the chickens.
And as a result, their bodies are primed to inappropriately attack all sorts of.
Non-noxious substances.
And for some people that is overdone and leads to these chronic illnesses.
I'm, that's still not a bad hypothesis.
It's just wrong.
What happens is that childhood vaccines have tiny amounts of what I would have thought of were incidental or accidental proteins like chicken egg albumin or beef whey protein extracts.
And it'll be like 0.01%, something tiny.
I'm Sasha Latipoga's done the best work on this.
And she's systematically combed all the childhood vaccines.
And most of them, if you add them all up together, there is a protein component from every one of the main healthy food groups in children's vaccines.
Oh, yes.
So by the time you've had two jabs of almost everything, you are allergic.
Your child has a good chance of becoming allergic to one or more of eggs, meat, fish, things like that.
And so you end up with massive amounts of food allergy.
And they're not just picky kids.
Some are picky kids.
Some have genuinely been primed to not be able to digest and consume healthy food, which is, as you and I would probably think, James, quite diabolical.
It's diabolical.
Doesn't part of you admire the diabolical genius of these people?
Because if they want to kill us, we understand that.
They want to kill us and enslave us.
And so you put yourself in the position of the cabal, say, 200 years ago, and you're having your committee meeting in your darkened room, and you're thinking, well, there's all these people, and they're breeding at such a rate.
I mean, it's going to be harder and harder to kill them all.
How are we going to do it?
How are we going to poison them?
And then Sunbright Spark thinks, I know, we're going to make them take these injections, which make them.
Which make all the things that are good for them toxic, all the food groups that they need.
It's unbelievable.
And I think someone with my educational background came up with an idea as diabolical as that, which is maybe the mission was basically, you guys, you're clever, you'll figure it out.
I want by next time, by next year's meeting or whatever it is, the scientific subcommittee of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, yeah?
I want you guys to come back with a brainstorm of 100 separate.
Plot methods for poisoning or making people ill, each of which has a sensible story so we can explain why we're doing it.
Yes.
The real story, the committee needs to know if it's nasty enough so we can include it.
And all of them have got to, each on their own, have got to be not so obvious, even if we were rumbled dead and A less.
So, and then we're going to pick the worst hundred of them and we'll just start rolling them out.
You know, pesticides, insecticides, vaccines.
And then we'll distort their education.
We'll screw them up through everything to do with culture, music, stories, books.
And they've done exactly that.
They brainstormed a hundred ways to make your life.
Yeah.
And I've said to Bunny several times that obviously I hate what they're doing, but I have to sometimes stand back and go, you know, how did you?
We've probably only rumbled a small fraction of what they've done to us.
None of this stuff can possibly be accidental because I've seen the bits I've seen, James, right?
You will have seen other bits from the music industry and so on.
But when I've rumbled the bits I've seen, I know in the heartbeat that this isn't an accident.
Because if I'd been involved in that in vaccine development, I would say, wait, somebody won a Nobel Prize in 1904 for the observation that if you give an animal A tiny injection of a foreign protein, and then you come back two weeks later and give them another tiny dose of a foreign protein.
Thereafter, from about two weeks after, they are now permanently, violently allergic to that foreign protein.
So, guys, don't put any foreign proteins in these damn injections.
None, like zero.
But obviously, I wasn't involved.
I've never looked.
I wasn't in vaccinology.
And here's just another thing just to show how clever they were.
At least in the Big drug companies, the departments of vaccinology and the departments I worked in, so called discovery biology, were always geographically separated.
So I never met them.
Never.
I worked at Wellcome, then GlaxoWelcome.
Their vaccine group was on the other side of the Atlantic.
Same with Pfizer, somewhere in America.
I never met a vaccinologist in 35 years, except at the annual sort of show and tell meeting where everybody would get together under high pressure and give a presentation for their.
Therapy area.
So I would sing for my supper and do an hour long pitch on allergic and respiratory diseases.
And then I'd be great, my job's done.
I would hardly pay attention to anybody else's.
But I do remember there was a guy whose name I can't remember who ran the vaccines department and he was quite a dark figure.
But everybody, we were told his department was making like more money than anybody else's.
So we should show due deference to these people.
So I never had a conversation with a vaccinologist.
In research in any of the companies I worked in.
And I wonder whether they made sure that we never met because I might ask them questions and accidentally say, What did you just say?
What's in the vial again?
So it's worth me just mentioning.
I'm not going to go off on one too long.
But so if I take myself back seven years, I believe that many human diseases, I'll just repeat the story and try not to laugh.
Many human diseases are caused by sub microscopic.
Infectious particles called viruses that float around and then they land in me or someone, a healthy person, just this tiny particle, and it takes over my body, multiplies, and makes me ill.
I mean, it's nonsense, isn't it?
The reason you know it's nonsense is there are also microscopic organisms like bacteria.
And if you wipe your cutting board on your kitchen or a spoon from your drawer, you could probably grow a culture off it.
It's not sterile.
It's, but it's clean.
So, but if you lick that spoon that's not been sterilized, you wouldn't expect to go down with, you know, some nasty disease because you're a healthy person.
So if you're healthy, we've just demonstrated that you can eat raw foods.
You can cook meats without sterilizing them and you don't get ill.
And that's because your body is incredibly well equipped to defend itself against the things it will encounter.
Your skin is not permeable to water.
So, you can swim even in dilute, unpleasant chemicals.
And as long as you don't swallow too much, you'll be fine.
If you eat food that's got a little contamination on it, the first thing it lands into is a pot of acid, your stomach.
Try surviving that.
And then it comes out into your duodenum and is chewed up by all sorts of digestive enzymes and the equivalent of fairy liquid, like your bile salts.
Try surviving that.
And then if your body doesn't want it, it doesn't absorb it.
And a day later, it comes out of your possum.
So, We are very well equipped to defend ourselves, but I'd believe that sub microscopic floating infectious particles called viruses could land on me and that, I don't know, like jujitsu throw and make me sick.
So there's that nonsense.
That's not true, by the way.
I've looked very closely and I'm now confident there is no scientific evidence for the existence of any virus.
They are an invention.
And when people go, Oh no, we've cultured them and we can see cells dying and we've got their DNA sequences or whatever.
When you look at each one of the sort of half dozen pillars of evidence for viruses, you don't find weak evidence.
So this is the important thing.
You don't find weak evidence.
What you find, folks, is fraud, fraud.
So in the, in terms of so-called infecting cells with viruses and then seeing if the, if the cells then die, that's what they would typically do.
Um, the fraud you find is, They don't do the uninfected controls to see if cells die anyway if you don't do anything to them.
Because that's what happens.
They die anyway.
What they do is modify the conditions without, like, off stage.
They culture the cells and modify the conditions.
Bring them in front of you, like a conjurer, add the so called suspected virus particle, like a sample from a person.
And then they continue to culture them in front of them and go, look, they're dying.
Look, they're dying off over the next few days.
But what they did just before they brought them on the stage was modify the growth conditions.
So they're now, they're going to die.
You've starved them and poisoned them.
They do.
They reduce the growth medium and they add antibiotics.
Uh, and they never do the uninfected controls.
When you look through every scientific paper on the so-called isolation of viruses, how an isolation involves adding them to culture.
You're a wordsmith, James.
You would appreciate that the word isolation would not be attached to the procedure I've just described, but that is the procedure that's preceded by the title, the isolation of SARS-CoV-2.
But it's fraud, folks.
So it's not a difference of opinion here.
It's not just Mike's hunch.
The basic scientific method would require you to compare condition A with a control condition so you can look at to see what the thing you've done, what's the effect of the thing you've done.
If you do nothing, you need to look at the background.
They never do that experiment.
And so I remember when I was told this, I think it was Tom Cowan or Andrew Kaufman, anyway, and about I had a chat a long time ago.
And I said, if what you've told me is true, this whole thing is fraud.
And he said, it is.
And I said, I'm not going to commit on this call to your position or my position, but I will tell you this I will look.
And if what you say is true, I'll sing out.
Anyway, it took me a while.
So that's the first part that aren't viruses.
Illnesses are real.
So something like flu is a collection of illnesses where you've got.
You know, you feel awful.
You may have stiff joints.
You could be coughing, could be short of breath.
It's not a single defined illness, but it's like a constellation of signs and symptoms that we call flu.
Colds Are Not Viruses00:05:36
But they're not caused by viruses.
And none of the other illnesses that we are told are caused by viruses are caused by viruses.
Sometimes we've got a good idea what causes them, and often we don't.
We don't really know how many diseases happen, but I can tell you they're not caused by viruses because there aren't any.
That fraud, there are two frauds that lead to the third fraud, which is.
Virus, uh, vaccines.
The second fraud, and they've frightened everybody, is the idea that the illnesses that they've attributed wrongly, fraudulently to viruses are contagious so that you are at risk from those people.
Stay away.
Um, but in the case of like colds and flu, people really struggle with this because they think, I definitely caught it from my brother in law when they came over at Christmas, or one of my kids came home with it and then, then I got it.
It's like, But what is actually happening is that your body's, you've got the state of your body and its nutrition and its psychological health and your good habits and bad habits.
You are prone every now and again to having, as it were, a mini breakdown and you have to recover that, whatever that system is.
And part of that will be what you eat, where you live, the air you breathe, the water you drink, the kind of conversations you have with people, which might be stressful or relaxing, and so on.
And so, if someone in your household or friendship group or work group becomes unwell as a combination of these vulnerabilities, you are also sharing some of that environment.
So, you'll notice in families often.
One other person will get sick.
Someone's got a cold and then someone else gets a stinking cold.
But what you don't find is they all get it.
You just don't find that.
People think that's what happens, but I promise you next time, um, when, when someone in your house gets ill, watch and see what happens.
Do you get ill every time?
Or are you just remembering the occasion where you did get ill?
So, so the contagion story, it's a very clever story because it matches quite well people's Observations, they think, yeah, that figures because I saw a guy coughing at the bus stop when I was walking past.
So when you go down with a cold, the most natural thing in the world is to think, where did I catch this from?
And because these illnesses, colds and flu, are quite common, you can nearly always find someone, yeah, it's the lady at the checkout.
She shouldn't have been at work.
Or it was the guy in the next office.
I passed him in the corridor.
Or I shook hands with the visitor and then he sneezed, you know.
But how many times do you have such encounters and you don't get ill?
And of course, you don't even think about that.
But basically, there is nothing in it except your belief that there's something in it.
It's just your body going through a breakdown and a recovery.
Well, I think it's due to, for example, that flu colds are much more common, aren't they, in the Northern Hemisphere winter?
Yeah.
Why is that?
Well, the viruses only come out to play in December.
It's like, it's mad, isn't it?
Why you can get a summer cold, but there are many more coughs, colds, and sneezes in the winter, Northern Hemisphere.
I think it's as simple as this.
We probably all know the example that the surface area for gas exchange of our lungs is supposed to be about the size of a tennis court.
It's a huge surface area.
You know, we've got all these little alveoli, little bubbles getting smaller and smaller and smaller into our lungs.
That provides gas exchange.
So I can extract the oxygen from the air in a moment and breathe out the CO2.
So I must have a big surface area to do it.
So that is a true statement.
You've got a big surface area.
But you don't breathe air.
Oxygen directly, it dissolves into a very thin liquid layer on the inside of your lungs called the airway surface liquid.
So hold on, Mike.
Are you saying you've got a tennis court worth of area in your lungs and it's got like a really thin layer of liquid that's got some mucus in it, which are gel like proteins and a little bit of salt, sodium chloride and potassium and so on.
And then there are little cilia, little, little tiny, uh, waving fingers and they all waft from your diaphragm up towards your throat so that, ahem.
You can swallow anything.
So, your lungs are self cleaning.
Through the ciliated action of these cells lining your airway, it removes anything like dust and bacteria and bits of grit and so on and wafts them into the throat and you swallow or spit them out.
And so, I think what causes colds is this.
In the winter, you go into a warm, centrally heated house, then you dash out to the car, and it's very cold.
If it was a frosty night, it might be also very dry and desiccating.
And you forget to drink and you rush in and have a hot tea.
And I think you lose some people at some point lose some control over the hydration of the airway surface liquid.
And I think that's what causes that unpleasant feeling in your chest.
I hope it doesn't develop into a cold.
You wake up sometimes and you're fine.
And other days, oh my God, I'm getting worse.
So I think that's just a cycle of like loss of control, symptoms, recovery.
And I think that's what a cold is.
Contagion Is A Lie00:06:55
So for myself, I'm confident that contagion is a lie.
So, I've just explained what I think happens doesn't happen with flu and colds.
But I can tell you, I've read every single paper where people have attempted to cause someone with a cold to give it to a healthy person, like in the common cold unit that used to run in Salisbury.
And I think there are several dozen published papers from 1918 to the last time I looked was 2024.
And every one of those papers concludes transmission must occur differently than we understand because on no occasion were we able to.
Infect a healthy person with someone who had a cold.
So it never actually occurs.
It looks people's observations are often consistent with contagion for reasons I've just explained.
But when you examine them, contagion does not happen.
So if you choose to believe me, if your mission is decide for yourself, we haven't got the submicroscopic infectious particles called viruses.
That's bullshit.
We don't have contagion of a sick person to a well person.
That's bullshit as well.
But you need both of those lies, don't you?
In order that vaccines make any sense.
But they're both false.
And if any one of them is false, you're being lied to.
They're both false.
You're being lied to.
Why is it diabolical magic?
Why is this so important?
Two things to tell you one is why it's so important.
And I reeled over with horror when I sussed it.
And I hope you will too.
And then I'm going to remind you something very peculiar happens with people who don't go along.
With this nonsense.
And it happens nowhere else in your professional existence, which I think ties in with what I'm about to tell you.
So it's the only thing you routinely do now where you get a hollow metal needle and you jab it into a human being.
And then you close the plunger on the syringe.
And whatever is in that syringe ends up inside your body.
It's got through all your defenses in one go.
I remember I told you your skin is really brilliant.
Your skin is an incredible, it's like three different layers, stratified outside layer.
Then you've got the dermis, then the epidermis, and so on.
And then small blood vessels underneath that will weep if you cut yourself and throw defenses to keep you clean from the outside invasions from the outside world.
Your skin's brilliant, it's a huge organ.
And then your lungs have got this lining of sticky stuff that wafts out, keeps you safe.
And then your stomach, as I say, it sterilizes whatever you eat.
Your God and nature have given you an incredibly well defended fortress, and you occupy that space for your life.
But if you can jab a hollow needle, you go bypass your digestive system, you bypass your breathing, you bypass your skin's mighty defenses, and you can inject whatever the hell you like into a human being.
So that's why they chose the injection.
And I think you need this diabolical lie of.
Stupid, invented viruses and understandable, but not through contagion.
A friend of mine pointed out that in 6,000 years of writing of every culture on the planet, you will find no mention of contagion.
No mention of contagion.
Interestingly, funny.
You would think they would have noticed that long before we.
Whatever.
So when did contagion appear in the narrative?
When did people start talking about this?
I'm not sure, but I think it probably was going to be like 1700 to 1800.
I think they.
The people that started scarifying, which was to cut repeatedly the skin and then shove cowpox pus into people.
That Jenna experiment, you know, that is all, it's another lie.
You know, the heroic figures of science and medicine, I'm afraid, are mostly made up, just like the heroic figures of literature are probably mostly.
But I just want to tell you one.
So that's the lie viruses, contagion, and vaccines.
And I write it down as a mathematical equation.
Virus lie plus contagion lie equals vaccine lie.
And I'm very confident.
I don't care if people call me an anti-vaxxer or a conspiracy theorist.
I remind them there is a conspiracy.
There's nothing theoretical about it.
So, and I've explained why how diabolical injecting people is.
Please don't allow yourself to be injected.
The one exception, I've got terrible NHS teeth, as you can see.
So I've often been injected with local anesthetics and they've made the difference between an A torturous visit to the dentist and one that's tolerable while I lose another tooth.
Um, but unless you're in that position, please don't allow yourself to be injected with anything.
Don't, don't let people do it.
I, I really don't think it's a good idea, but, and certainly parents don't allow your children or babies, innocent, beautiful, perfect creatures to be injected.
Um, I'm pleased to say our older daughter, we are brought forth her third child, a little girl just before Christmas.
She was born at home.
Didn't get a vitamin K injection.
Uh, she's seen a couple of doctors for various things and the doctor asked, well, has she had her jabs?
And Becca said, she's not going to be having any.
And she said, that's fine.
She didn't argue.
And on one occasion, one occasion, mother wasn't brooking any bloody arguments about this.
On one occasion, she was chatting to a lady consultant in, in, in London.
Um, it was just some worry about malformed ear or something.
Anyway, so after a chat and the lady had asked, the doctor had asked Becca if the baby, Little Mabel had had her jabs and Becca had made it clear that she wasn't having any.
She said, that's of course absolutely your decision.
Anyway, Becca said there was something in her demeanor that made me ask a question.
And the question was, have you noticed in your patients the effects of any COVID vaccines?
And she said, the consultant grew curious, conspiratorial and said, yes, and it's awful.
She said, yes, and it's awful.
And then, then my, my, my daughter asked, have you heard of Dr. Mike Eden?
And the lady said, yes, of course.
And she said, That's my father.
So, this isn't that a brilliant story?
There was a doctor who was quite happy, wasn't going to badger my daughters about her baby's jabs.
Blood Pressure Myths00:02:57
Not that that's a problem.
And the mummer bear phenomenon is very real.
You know, I had great regard for both my children, and God help anybody that gets between them and their children.
But anyway, I want you just to, before I will shut up at this point, but I did want to get this across because it's so important.
So, James, you know, you've been.
In and around the profession of journalism for a long time, you probably know there are certain things that if you do them, you might be at risk of legal action or whatever.
So you're probably quite careful.
If you're going to criticize somebody, you'd want to think, okay, is this actionable?
Can I defend this as fair comment?
Or what you know is correct for your field.
And probably everybody in every profession is aware of things that you really shouldn't do.
You know, a doctor or whatever, you must get informed consent and so on.
So here's the thing.
If you criticize, if I or you, if I criticize or a doctor criticizes, say, blood pressure lowering tablets and says that they're not in favor of them, they think that mild hypertension is not harmful and that the overall effect of treating it is worse than leaving it untreated, which is a true statement, by the way.
I'm not the biggest fan of Asim Malhotra, but he's done a very good lecture on the way blood pressure, normal blood pressure, so called normal blood pressure, is now lower than it was.
Say 50 years ago.
So when they make the measurements of a person, they go, you've got mildly elevated blood pressure.
Dr. Smith, you know, James, you know, better give you these blood pressure lowering tablets.
And, um, well, should I take them?
And it's like, well, you have got elevated blood pressure.
And we know there is a relationship between elevated pressure and your chance of dying early of some cardiovascular accidents.
So you think, well, better take the tablets then.
But here's the dirty truth that a scene tells us that these interventions have been studied over.
Decades now, if you take these blood pressure lowering tablets, it does lower your blood pressure.
So you might think, well, that's good, isn't it?
No, it isn't because they've followed these people with pharmaceutically lowered blood pressure out for several decades and they don't die.
They die no earlier.
So yeah, whatever.
They don't die at a later age than people who are not treated.
So in other words, you've lowered something that's completely relevant to their overall longevity.
But what they have got is the side effects of these damn things.
If you take blood pressure lowering agents, your blood pressure will be lower.
So, if you, as a man, if you leap out of bed in the morning, you often get what's called postural hypotension.
And that is manifested as dizziness for a few seconds after standing.
And loads of people fall over and sometimes injure themselves quite badly as a result of having postural hypotension because of these bloody medicines.
Prostate Cancer Scams00:03:20
But the story is incorrect.
You don't need to lower moderately raised blood pressure, and it's not raised anyway.
They've just lied about what the baseline value is.
Every area of science, of medical science, I've looked into maybe half a dozen and they're all wrong.
You know, like early screening for various dread diseases.
Yeah, I'm afraid you never catch, you almost never catch the disease they are telling you that this is all about.
So, for example, you're a man of a certain age, James.
We're told that we should have our prostate specific antigen or PSA.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't, James, because I won't waste listeners' time today.
But probably from a thousand screened men of 55, 65, 70, whatever, maybe one person is saved from dying of prostate cancer.
But at least 10 of them are going to end up unnecessarily having their prostate removed.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man made climate change is a problem.
That it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in, well, 2011 actually, the first edition.
Came out, and it's a snapshot of a particular era, the era when the people behind the China climate change scam got caught red-handed tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen Climate Gate.
So I give you the background to to the skullduggery that went on in in these seats of learning, where these supposed experts were informing us we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that one.
Just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Gaia.
The Pharma Kill Mechanism00:06:40
No, we don't.
It's a scam.
You're a man of a certain age, James.
We're told that we should have our prostate specific action or PSA.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't, James, because I won't waste listeners' time today, but probably from a thousand screened men of 55, 65, 70, whatever, maybe one person is saved from dying of prostate cancer, but at least 10 of them are going to end up unnecessarily having their prostate removed for no reason.
And then they have lifelong morbidity.
You know, it's not fun. to have any kind of procedure like this.
And they know that's what happens.
This isn't my hunch.
Um, they, urologists know that the net effects, the more people they screen, the more people who have invasive investigations, the more people who have their prostates unnecessarily removed at great cost and fees to the, to the surgeon, the urologist.
And their, and their argument for doing is, is, oh, we saved Mr. Jones from prostate cancer.
Yeah, but they didn't tell you about the other 10 guys who are now Inconstant and impotent, or have chronic pelvic pain for no good reason as a result of the follow up investigations.
It's not a useful test.
This blood test is about as reliable as PCR tests are for COVID.
And the same with cancer screening.
Don't give people poop in a plastic tub.
Every one of these things is a diabolical mischief.
Anyway, but I wanted just to say something about.
What happens?
So you can criticize individual pharmaceutical medicines, and it might be Pfizer's second biggest drug.
You might criticize cholesterol lowering drugs, for example.
You might even name the drug and say, I don't think you should take Lipitor or Crestor or any of these drugs.
What doesn't happen?
A black helicopter does not descend into your back garden at night and you get arrested, right?
That doesn't happen.
Nothing happens.
You don't get a letter from the regulatory body that you report to, like the General Medical Council.
No one writes to you, no one calls you.
As I say, they don't send the SAS through your window.
You criticize vaccines.
If you criticize vaccines, and if you do it persistently, even with evidence, and you get the professional equivalent of Black Hawk arriving in your back garden, and you don't have to be a doctor, it will happen if you're a doctor and quickly too.
But if you are a solicitor, it will happen.
If you are an architect, it will happen.
If you're a lawyer, it will happen.
If you report to a professional body, And you criticize vaccines persistently, it's almost as if there's an arrangement.
Excuse me, George, that guy over there is one of yours, isn't it?
Well, he's been criticizing our clients' best products.
So you will put him right, won't you, in the usual way?
And the usual way, James, is you will be told that the, whatever it is, the builders' cancer, you might be a member of the Guild of Builders or something like that.
And you will be told that you are in danger of bringing the profession into disrepute.
Seriously, they won't say you're a builder.
We don't care what you say about vaccines.
They'll say you're in danger of bringing your profession into disrepute.
And if you do that, we will have to take action that might prevent you practicing in your fields because you'll be deregistered.
So why would they do that, James, when they don't do it for any other category of medicine, including medicines that make a damn sight more money?
And of course, you and I and our listeners know why they bloody do it.
And it's because the virus lie plus contagion lie equals vaccine lie, and the injection allows them to poison you.
And we're going to preserve that.
So if you challenge the lies, we're going to have to terminate your professional ability with extreme prejudice.
And it only happens with vaccines.
Anyway, I could go on forever.
No, Mike.
So that's where I've got to with that one.
Thank you for restating this.
I must say, I don't like singling out podcasts for praise, but one of the other, apart from the ones I've done with you, one of the other best podcasts I've ever done was talking to Sasha Letipova about precisely this.
Now, can you remember the author of the Nobel Prize paper?
Was he called Coke?
Coke?
Coke?
Or was it something else?
Oh, no, no, that, yeah, you might be thinking of Coke's postures.
I can't remember.
No, I think this chap may also have been called Coke.
I think.
I don't know.
Yeah, I can't.
Any of you know this?
I don't know if you know it.
And yeah, he won a Nobel Prize for this.
Discovering this principle of injected allergy.
People can look it up and I'll try and find the link to it for the bottom.
But essentially, what Sasha pointed out, and I don't think it gets stated enough, she said, Look, it's all very well saying we shouldn't eat wheat because the varieties of wheat have changed and the way it's grown and it's full of glyphosate and yada, yada, yada.
And we shouldn't eat seed oils and we shouldn't do that.
She said, Yeah, fine.
These things do have, may have a, deleterious effect on your health.
But all this is nothing as compared with the damage that is done by penetrating your defenses with these proteins, as this chap, Nobel Prize winner, said.
And what makes it worse is the anaphylactic shock effectively caused by penetrating within that two week after period.
It's the double thing, which is why they were so keen to inject us twice during.
During COVID.
And what you've established, and I've kind of learned, and I don't think enough people quite appreciate this, is that this is their main business model and their kill mechanism.
That the entire pharma industry depends on the damage done to its market.
I think it's very important.
Evolution And Fossil Records00:03:37
Yes, I agree with Sasha.
I think it's the single most important population level injury.
Mechanism that there are others, but as she said, in many countries, almost every child, it's like some countries, is it 90 plus percent?
You know, something like that.
They consider themselves good citizens if they bring their innocent babies for being jammed.
And the vaccine check on them is about how many jams?
72 times.
72 times.
Yeah.
Which is why I was quite surprised to see one of our number, supposedly awake.
My computer's running down.
I don't know how to think we didn't turn the sockets off.
That's exactly the sort of behavior I engage in, Mike.
Yeah, I'm back.
I'm back.
Sorry, James.
Yes, you were just saying you were quite surprised.
I'm actually slightly frightened by the aspects that we have in common.
I'm looking at you, I see elements of me, and I'm not sure that's a good thing.
Oh, dear.
I am so sorry.
Well, I know.
I mean, imagine what it's like being our wives.
But no.
I was a bit surprised to see a supposedly awake blogger podcaster putting out this thing about, I think, during meningitis, where he was sort of seeming to suggest that vaccines were okay under certain circumstances.
And I was thinking, how can you be awake and not know this stuff?
Exactly.
It's basic now, don't you?
It is now, babe.
It is very basic.
And I'm embarrassed to say that I should have realised this, but it just goes to show.
That, and again, Bunny will often tell me, my wife, it's like you were not thinking that there were a bunch of criminal nutcases out to harm you.
So why would you spot it?
It's if you were told as you go about your world, basically, it's full of booby traps, and your job is to spot as many booby traps as you can.
You'd be looking for the booby traps, right?
But, and so you don't spot them.
I didn't spot them.
I do now.
In fact, again, one of my.
It's not an axiom yet or a law.
I'm not that clever.
But you and I, James, have noticed that quite a lot of things we've been told aren't true, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it occurred to me just recently that almost anything of substantial importance that is told to us by authorities and everyone is told.
So it's like through the television or radio or a cultural medium.
So pretty much everyone knows this thing that I'm talking about.
I think if you can't verify it because, for example, it's too far away or too small or too complicated, under those circumstances, I think it's almost axiomatic that what you've been told is a lie, which is like shocking, isn't it?
And somebody said to me, Mike, you're reasonably clever, but you're not that clever.
You worked out a few things are lies.
That doesn't mean everything's a lie.
And I've said, I'm not saying everything's a lie.
I'm saying everything that authority tells us.
That we're all told and you can't check it is a lie.
And I said, if you think that's wrong, give me, give me your best shot of three important things that you can't check that we've been told by authority that you sure are true.
And it didn't come back.
Rejecting Authority Camps00:06:29
It's like dinosaurs, fossil fuels, evolution, the shape of the realm.
I mean, I'm not sure what the shape of the realm is, James.
Like this is one of those dinosaur shapes.
I've taken the fifth on the shape because it strikes me it's slippery.
It's so slippery.
I don't know, but the dinosaur stuff.
Darwin's theory of evolution is great for explaining variation.
Small variations in a species, I think, are, I don't know whether that's the mechanism, but it's certainly consistent with the change you see over time, adaptation.
But it's completely useless at explaining how new species arise, especially with different body plans.
And I remember saying this at university, and they go, Yeah, we don't know how that happens.
It must just be a lot of time and evolution, eh?
Next lecture.
It's like, so no one would argue with me.
You're allowed to not be sure how it happens, but you're, you're called a heretic.
If you say, I don't think it's true, but I now don't think it's true because there's no evidence.
There's no method mechanism for explaining the arrival of new species with different body plans using Darwin's moment, you know, inch by inch, small, a small adapt, a small mutation that is an advantage and therefore is retained in the offspring and then.
They get to produce more offspring with this small change.
That allows you to make small changes.
It doesn't allow you to change your body plan.
There's, there's no intermediate form, James, is there?
That's the other problem in the so-called fossil record.
The intermediate forms, you would think most of the animals, since they're evolving all the time, most of the animals would be like intermediate, but they're not.
Yeah, like half, half, half, half developed wing coming out of the sort of, exactly.
So I can make a horn in the middle of my head.
And two pink wings, but a normal, no, no tail.
But so you don't, you don't find the intermediate forms.
They're called missing links, aren't they?
It's like they're not just missing links.
They're never found pretty much.
But the fossil record should be strewn with these, these, these are meant to be the survivors, right, James?
These are the ones who, having had, uh, some random mutation, it was a survival advantage.
Otherwise, how would we be here?
They ought to be chock a block in the fossil record, but they're never there.
And then you find other things like, um, Certain ancient crabs, the Limulus crab, which is like the horseshoe crab.
I mean, I've seen them up close.
They really do look like alien spacecraft with a long tail.
They look like.
That is so close.
My daughter showed me a photograph of a horseshoe crab which she'd taken in Mexico only like an hour ago.
Amazing.
I have not thought of horseshoe crabs.
So the thing is, they are found in the fossil record and haven't bloody changed in 100 million years.
So, they haven't changed.
Same with crocodiles.
They haven't changed.
So, anyway, I agree with you about that evolution.
We've been lied to.
That's my point.
What I wanted to ask you was, before we move on to the other stuff.
So I think you have made a very persuasive case for why it is, for example, that terrain theory, although one hates to give it labels because suddenly you're going into camps.
But I think you've made a very persuasive case, a counter argument, let's say, to all those people who say, well, my auntie.
Jen came round and she had a nasty cold.
And then a few days later, I had it.
So it's obvious.
I think you've, I was going to ask you one very, very, very, very brief point.
Do you think that there's a kind of, um, you know how when you're married to somebody, for example, you think that you, you, you communicate telepathically.
Yes.
Do you think on occasion one can come out with a bug in sympathy with, with one's loved ones or whatever?
I do think that's possible because I don't know enough about how the body works.
I only know what I was taught, and I'm no longer sure much of that is valid because it treats the irony.
I was describing early on how I was treating my work as a scientist a bit like how I approached an old motorcycle that didn't work because it's got all sorts of subsystems in it.
And of course, our body isn't really like that.
And we end up with renal specialists, urologists, cardiologists, and neurologists and so on.
Um, but, but we work as an integrated system and it, I think, I don't think it's correct to, uh, regard us as a series of basically spare parts that have all been stitched together.
Um, but, and we're more integrated than that.
And I think we're integrated at an emotional and spiritual, psychological level as well.
So yeah, if there's no question if, if you were feeling stressed, that could imprint itself through all sorts of subliminal or more obvious, uh, ways to someone who's close to you and cares about you.
And I imagine that could influence their health.
The thing I really wanted to ask you was I've been watching your journey, in fact, joining you on your journey.
Absolutely.
We've gone on the same path, not just about our understanding of the world, but also our understanding of the spiritual world.
We've both become proper Christians, I would say, as a result.
But I wouldn't talk about that later on.
I've also noticed that as you've become.
More outspoken, let's say, or clearer in your articulation of what you think the deal is with regards to viruses not existing, for example, and vaccines being a total evil with nothing to be said for them at all.
Yes.
I've noticed that you've come under really unpleasant attack from all sorts of angles, not just from the mainstream, the normie world, but also from within the.
Avoiding Unpleasant Attacks00:02:47
The truth seeking community, as it were.
You noticed that?
Well, the thing is, it's not fun.
I don't like the three camps thing particularly.
You know, David A. Hughes.
Well, I was attacked by him.
Obviously, I don't like it either.
I think it's too limiting, and I'll explain why in a moment.
But yeah, this idea of camp one are people who believe what they're being told.
So they're like sheep to the.
They're normie sheep, as it were.
Camp two are the ones who realize they're being lied to, but they've only maybe cottoned onto one lie and they grip onto all of the others.
So they're still on the fleece of the monster that's going to kill them.
And David describes Camp Three as the one that realizes that, you know, the first, both stories, the official story and the authorized conspiracy theory are both lies.
And it's none of the above.
The reason I don't like it is why three, James?
And on the back of David describing it, I said to Bunny, I said, if three camps, why not four?
And she said, what do you mean?
I said, well, Camp Four.
For example, could consist of people like this.
They'll always be late comers to the scene.
They'll tell you they're in Camp Three, and their primary job is to kick the shit out of other people in Camp Three, David.
Now, I'm not saying that to you, but funnily enough, if you were such a person, I'd put a four on your back.
And I'm hoping I'm wrong.
But the problem with James is that, yes, I think, I can't remember who it was.
I think it was you actually that said we were describing.
The opposite to it's a big club and you ain't in it.
That's the killer line by the comedian, wasn't it?
It's a big club and you ain't in it.
And I think you were just, he was describing Camp Three and he said it's quite small.
And I think you piped up and there's hardly anyone in it because it's true.
The, the, there aren't very many people in Camp Three.
And I'm, I think quite a few of them aren't to be trusted.
And as a result, I, I actually don't speak to very many people.
So am I under attack?
I tell you what, I am not.
I'm not invited anymore.
No one wants to hear from me.
Except you.
I do think it's a good sign, Mike, that you haven't joined any kind of organizations, any awake organizations, because I think, like me, you're not really a joiner.
No, I've never been a joiner, actually.
I can do a good impression of being a civilized person, but as people who've watched me for a long time will know, I'm probably a little bit unusual in some ways.
I'm harmless normally, unless really goaded.
Refusing Joiner Preconditions00:04:26
But I, I, I can't go, I don't like going along with stuff.
And you, I remember even in industry, you know, if I joined a particular subcommittee for whatever it was, quite quickly, like the first meeting, it would be, um, you know, what's the objective or the mission of this group?
And like, what are the rules?
You had to like rules.
And I just thought it's just so tiring.
Uh, the reason it's tiring, uh, is what happens if you've agreed some rules with people to be part of a, A campaign team or whatever.
And then you wake up one morning and realize that, oh, I'm wrong about that.
I'm going to have to say I'm wrong about that and row in a different direction.
Oh, God, there's 20 other people in this group.
I'm going to have to explain it to them or just start speaking.
And then you get attacked for, you're damaging unity, you know, your whatever it's your own going off in one and you're damaging the unity of the truth community.
And this I can't stand that you.
I'm very happy to ally with people as it were alongside, but I'm not going to be bound by a set of preconditions, really.
The preconditions of membership are a hostage to fortune, aren't they?
Because it could be, for example, people might have said, we'll tell people that there wasn't a severe public health emergency and the COVID jams were dangerous, right?
Lots of people would be happy with that.
But when I said, I'm afraid I think it's worse, I think the injections were designed to harm people.
It's like, you can't say that.
You can't say that.
I said, I can't not say that.
I was in drug discovery, you know, good or bad.
I was in a field that required me to understand what would be the effect of adding or removing little components from a medicine to change its behavior based on everything we've learned over 80 years.
And here are a bunch of things you must not do.
If you do this, bad things happen.
You must not do these in this context.
And when I apply that skill and learning, it doesn't even matter if it's wrong.
It's just that's the normie understanding. of how to avoid harms and what will happen if you fail to avoid them.
And when I apply that to the, the design of these damn things, there is no, there is no other conclusion you can reach than that they were intentionally harmful.
And lots of people would not have it.
You can't say that I'm not going to go on.
People would deplatform me.
There are several occasions I was told when something was cancelled and then it was, it did go ahead, but on a different time.
And I said, what happened?
And he said, three people who will be nameless said, I'm not appearing on that platform.
If Eden's there.
So, and the reason I don't, I'm not saying they're necessarily bad is they probably thought I was mad or extreme.
And I understand I'm not mad and I probably am extreme because you are being subject to extreme evil by people who've thought very hard over, I'm sure it's more than, I'm certain it's more than 100 years, probably 150 years.
And other people say you can add a naught to that, you know, it's maybe it's 1500 years.
But so for decade and decade and decade, Powerful people have met repeatedly and decided to bring about humanity's enslavement and almost certainly our killing.
And so, with that in mind, it ain't that surprising that we come across an example of mine, of what I've come across, and plenty of other nasty things.
I mean, there's the joke when you go into a supermarket, you'll walk and there's 20 aisles, and one of them will say, Healthy Options aisle.
It's like half an aisle.
And then.
Bunny will say to me, what are the other 19 and a half aisles full of if this is the healthy options?
And of course, it's a rhetorical question because it's unhealthy stuff mostly.
Um, hyper processed food is your body.
It can run on it, but it won't run very well.
It's like putting these in your petrol car.
It, you know, you shouldn't eat.
I've tried that.
It really, it totally doesn't work.
Hyperprocessed Food Lies00:04:51
I'm, I'm with you.
I, I, I eat, I eat almost nothing but things that you couldn't recognize as either being, Bashed on the head and cut up, or fished out of the water, or dug out of the ground or pulled off a tree.
If it doesn't fit, oh, and with what I like, cheese as well, which is none of the above.
But other than that, I just don't eat anything.
But Mike, I want to feel great.
We can do this for now.
We still have a degree of choice.
Knowing what you know, I mean, sometimes I read your posts on Telegram and I get quite depressed.
And I think all of this is right.
Do you share my feeling looking at the world now?
I mean, Just briefly, we've got Omidy Psyop of this space flight, which I know, which I it's an interesting phenomenon to watch because I don't know about you.
If it were real, yeah, um, people would be reacting in a different way to they are reacting.
It's as if, but the way they are acting is on one level, they know it's all fiction, they know it's a nonsense, and these people aren't really going up in a big rocket and they're not really going around the moon and it's all fake.
But at the same time, to admit that to themselves would so shatter their sense of self and everything else that they can't do that.
Therefore, they have to go through this weird double thinking process.
No, I'm sure you're right.
It's funny you mentioned that, you know, I mean, I'd seen nothing of it.
I actually didn't know it was taking place until after the balloon, sorry, the rocket had launched.
Even when you saw the escape pods before the.
Well, I mean, I've seen a video, but James, it's all an AI video.
Of course, those brave cosmonauts, all those brave astronauts risking their lives to push back the frontiers, to boldly go where no man has split an infinity before, and all that sort of stuff.
Yeah, no, I used to, when I was a kid in the 60s, I collected all the PG tips raised into space cards.
Oh, yeah.
I checked out the shell coins.
Oh, amazing.
Yeah, no, I remember some of those, but I think.
I think my parents must have filled up at a different garage because I never had those, but I know what you mean.
But I, and I, I remember saying to people that I was quite, quite bitter by the age of 50.
I wasn't living under a dome on Mars like I had been promised.
You were very keen on the space flight.
And of course, I have to tell you until 2021, I, if you asked me, did we go to the moon?
I'd go, of course we did.
You know, 1969.
It was Neil of the Armstrong and Buzz of the Bottle climbed onto the moon and said it was a, Great leap for mankind or whatever it was.
And I was chatting to an elderly guy I met in Florida.
He was a very clever man.
He'd been an engineer all his life.
And he said, Mike, you know, what, what about all these frauds?
And he said, what about the moon?
I said, Oh, we did go, didn't we?
And it's like, it's like, it's like, no, no, we didn't.
You don't really believe that.
And I was embarrassed.
I said, I haven't actually looked at it.
And he said, well, when you do, you'll realize what it is.
And it's not what it seems.
Um, anyway, so yeah.
What was his killer point?
What was it?
Or did he just.
I think the break point was taking a very close look at obviously the black and white images from the moon are enough in that there are clearly many images in which there are two light sources.
Yeah.
And then people say, you don't understand optics, Mike.
You know, this, it bounced off the spacecraft.
So anyway, it's like, no, I don't believe it.
And then there are plenty of others where there's a picture of the astronaut climbing up.
The ladder into his tinfoil hut or whatever, whatever this thing is.
And you can see that the side of the, whatever it's called, the lander that from which the picture is taken is in shadow.
And yet the astronaut in his white suit is brightly illuminated.
And it's like, hold on, he should be in shadow too.
Forget whether those individual examples, but I remember.
Looking at many, many, many photos, and people were pointing out, you know, this is illogical.
This requires an additional light source.
So I think it was that.
And I mean, I don't know what's up there.
I don't have a view on it.
Is there really a firmament like in what's his name?
Somebody's World.
There was that film.
Gatekeeping Psyops00:08:10
What?
Discworld.
Which one?
No, I think it's like in Psalm 19.
You know, okay, it's the firmament, it's just like it's a fact, exactly.
So, yeah, there's a film, isn't there, where the main character is the name of the character's world, I think it is, anyway.
And he leaves that one.
And he eventually leaves his domain.
Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey, was it?
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, so I don't know.
Is that what it is?
I don't know.
So I don't have a strong.
I'm not resistant to it.
If I do live in something that's like a snow globe, you know, then that's what it is.
But I've not done enough work to know.
I don't want to.
Why the moon is nonsense on other podcasts.
Yeah, the moon laden stuff is rather nonsense.
I can't help you, it's technically wrong.
What I find almost more interesting to look at is how they gatekeep these various psyops.
So, just as you've encountered by being skeptical of vaccines, you get monstered.
The bots pile in, and so do the kind of brainwashed normies.
Yeah.
I believe.
Just very briefly to say, uh, by sheer luck, I, I am, I'm not a proper doctor.
I have a PhD.
And when the, when the monsters set up the professions and their regulators, you know, the people in dark cloaks, you know, lawyers, doctors, dentists, architects, all that sort of stuff, they decided, I assume that PhDs were just far too random and straggle taggly group.
They didn't need a professional body because they're not professionals, right?
So I don't, I, I, I don't belong to an association, uh, on whose approval my continuing ability to call myself Dr. Eden relies.
But with every other profession, every, every, almost every profession, vets are another one, chartered surveyors, seriously.
And so you don't just get monstered in social media.
You will get professionally and financially monstered if you criticize vaccines.
So if you combine censorship, uh, your inability, your one to many communications will be interdicted very quickly.
And your professional body will come after you.
And most people at that point do give up because they don't want to lose their 150 grand a year job, their pension, their car, and so on.
I wouldn't want to lose it either.
Exactly.
And so, you know, it's not cowardice.
Basically, they've rumbled other people's criminal activity.
They've said what they can and they've been told now look, if you carry on, it'll have bad consequences for you.
And so I think 99.9% of the time, People shut up.
So it's incredibly effective.
So it works within each profession and across all the professions.
And if you're, God love them, if you're a dustman or whatever, they don't care.
But not many people will pay attention to them.
They may be coherent and well researched and they'll still be disregarded.
And so, you know, the monsters, they got a good grip on this stuff.
And so awakening is something you almost have to, you pretty much have to do for yourself.
You can't, as we know, you can't wake anybody up.
Unless they're inquisitive and ask questions.
And I think you've also got to become.
I hate the phrase developing a thick skin because one doesn't really want to think.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
No, that's true.
Yes.
Yes, I wasn't thinking of that.
Yes, I was very offended and upset at first because, yeah, it's quite heavy.
I was just comparing so that they're not worried anymore.
I'm talking about the moon stuff because it's happening now and it's briefly topical.
But it's very interesting seeing the behavior I'm getting, for example, and you see.
Experiencing this in various ways on social media, for example.
So I get lots and lots of responses.
People accusing me of being incredibly thick, which is really, really, really obtuse.
Which is ironic, really, because nothing could be more obtuse than actually believing that we sent men to the moon through the.
Yeah, I mean, it's just the amount of fakery is.
The amount of fakery is.
Once you have it pointed out to you or you alert to look for it, it's quite easy.
So I was watching a series of clips this morning where.
What was it called?
The space shuttle, the thing that had solid rocket boosters.
Do you remember?
You would say it looked like a big glider.
But they exploded and they all came back to different jobs.
Yeah, they all exploded.
And then Need Another Seven Astronauts was the crew.
They were resurrected.
And it turns out they're all alive.
Well, at least I think six out of the seven have been traced and they've either got the same name and profession and they even look like an older version of the people lost 40 years ago.
I think it was 1986.
But if you point this out, Mike, this is okay.
This is the.
This is why I find it interesting talking to you because you could, we, we observe the methods that they use.
So you can point out that the Challenger disaster, that as you say, they all died in this horrible configuration, but then miraculously, people with the same names as them and the same faces appeared in sort of public sector jobs, mainly in academia and stuff.
It was an amazing coincidence.
Actuarially, I think the chances of that being Possible would be, I mean, off the scale, even less likely than Big Bang creating the world.
James, I think it'd probably be less than the one in eight billion that they tell us there are people on the world.
I don't think that's true either.
I've no idea what the number is, but it's bloody well not eight billion because authority told you and you can't check it.
So, yeah, exactly.
So, okay.
So, you've got this thing happening.
Yeah.
Yes.
When you point this out to people, instead of going, like, wow.
Really?
Yeah.
You're right.
There is no way that thing could happen.
I've looked at the names.
I've looked at, I've compared.
Yeah, yeah.
You're right.
I'm, let me look at all the other conspiracy theories.
They don't do that.
No, they don't.
Instead, they go, this is just a, you're talking nonsense.
How their reaction, they don't want to, Process information at all because they've been trained not to.
I think they've been trained not to, yes.
You've got the whatever the thought stopping cliche of conspiracy theorists.
That's a very good one that they're trained to use.
I have observed up close people I used to know.
I don't know them anymore because they exhibited this behavior and more or less ran away.
But when I was explaining in 2020 that I don't know why I said we're not being told the truth.
And I explained several things that were already wrong to my neighbors.
It was like a single lady living in the next house.
And I've been chatting the way I do for 15 minutes or so.
And I looked up and she was ashen and her mouth made the movement, but no sound of, I'm frightened.
She literally didn't say a word.
Her mouth moved and she said, She almost couldn't speak.
And I said, I'm so sorry.
I'm not going to go on.
This is not kind to you.
She couldn't cope.
And I think what happens is someone described this as the staircase of disbelief.
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Yes.
People are, they can lift a foot up and they are aware that if they put their foot on that first stair, first thread, they're done for because everything they, you know, their world comes to pieces the moment they accept the first step.
That's how psychologists discussed it.
And they said, almost like animals with an instinct for danger.
When you raise it, James, you know, about this rocket is peculiar.
Here's three things that they are.
Saying has happened, or you can see that they claim has happened that cannot be because, and you explain it.
What's working in their head is, am I going to put my foot on that first tread?
Because if I do, I'm lost.
The world is lost to me.
And it is.
In fact, it was John Waters, the Irish guy.
I was listening to a podcast you've recorded with, what's his name?
Thomas Sheridan, Tommy Sheridan.
And the conversation went something like this.
It's been a hell of a shock to realize that.
The world I knew, he said, is no more.
And I think Tommy said, and it never was.
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I'm lost.
The world is lost to me.
And it is.
In fact, it was John Waters, the Irish guy.
I was listening to a podcast you've recorded with, what's his name?
Thomas Sheridan, Tommy Sheridan.
And the conversation went something like this.
It's been a hell of a shock to realize that the world I knew, he said, is no more.
And I think Tommy said, and it never was.
And that's the worst part.
That's, isn't it?
But that was almost, I was going to move on to this.
I found that really painful.
I'm sure it's true, but it's not just that the world has changed utterly.
It's, I was born in 1960, and all of this that is coming to pass in recent years was already up and running before I joined you.
That's quite hard.
That is true.
But do you not think, I mean, like that poor woman that you described, I mean, I am feeling a bit frightened now because I'm looking and I'm thinking, looking at what's going on.
In Iran.
And looking at the, I mean, it's clearly, well, seemingly clearly to me anyway, that this is some kind of end game of the reset.
That it's not, obviously, it's not about ridding Iran of a terrorist regime.
I'm of the view that it's probably prearranged between the powers that be in Iran and the Israeli.
It's all fake to a degree.
I mean, I'm not saying there aren't real.
Casualties.
Yeah.
But with James, yes, I think it's a success.
I'm not at all convinced there really is a multipolar world.
I think at some level there's one, there is a power group, and it's helpful to them to allow us to think there are separate power groups, but I don't think there are in practice.
So, not as regards to their business, and this is their business.
The two things that, Terrify me most about this, more than anything we've experienced so far, is one I don't think I've ever before seen such utter disregard for public opinion.
It's as if they've completely.
An example, James?
Just let me know what you're thinking.
Well, Trump's.
Trump's behavior now is the behavior of a man who's completely cut loose from polling or what the media say or anything.
It's like they really do not give a shit what you think now.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe they don't give a shit.
The reason I ask for an example is I consume no mainstream media and I don't even watch any alt media because I'm not confident about anybody.
Anybody who puts news out, as it were, in a regular fashion.
Yeah.
Why would I believe them?
I mean, how would they know?
I don't know.
So, why would I think they know?
So, I'm in a void where I know that I don't know, but I'm not sure there's any source that can tell me.
So, there's a geopolitical game.
It doesn't really matter to me or to people around me whether it really is two power blocks or one power block acting like there are two power blocks.
Yes, I think people are being killed.
But, for example, have they blown up.
Gas processing facility or not.
Good point.
I neither know nor care.
It's what they tell us has happened that's going to affect whether or not gas arrives.
So even if it hasn't been, it ain't arriving.
If their script is, you're not having it.
And that is my fear.
Mike, this is exactly my fear.
It doesn't matter whether or not the Straits of Hormuz is wide open, open to all comers.
They're zooming through with all their cargoes.
It doesn't matter if the Iranians are goodies or badies.
It doesn't matter if.
Any Marines have been on the ground.
None of this matters.
All that matters is that they, the powers that be, have created this state of affairs within people's thinking that they now imagine, well, uh, there's going to be oil shortages and there's going to be food shortages because I've read this article in the newspapers and it says how much traffic comes through that.
And so, hey presto, all the powers that be suddenly have an opportunity to Starve us of fuel to keep us from traveling, to keep us locked at home, to deprive us of fertilizer, to just and starve us to death.
And everyone's going to be very, yeah, they could.
I don't think they will do that.
Well, what could we do?
I mean, it's because of this war that, yeah, I mean, if they wanted to do that, they could do that.
Um, um, and some people have said, oh, if we, if we don't get, uh, you know, gas or whatever it is, um, then on at night times when the wind isn't blowing, there'll be no electric, you know, Essentially, no electricity, you know, far, way below that required to even keep a core of the grid up.
And here, here's my prediction.
I'm bloody confident they're not going to shut the grid off because you'll end up with whatever the number is, 70 million pissed off people running around in the dark.
Now, most of us will be very frightened and some of us would perish quite quickly.
But I tell you what, there are plenty of other people who will be flaming cross about it and will start looking for houses to loot.
Politicians to string up.
They'll be, you know, thinking, well, Mussolini's lot, you know, that his enemies had the right idea, right?
So, honestly, if they allowed the country to run out and genuinely it was grid down, there'll be 70 million people, of whom some will be, you know, male angry between 20 and 40 and quite capable of organized violence, and they'll come looking for them.
So, Mike, do you think.
I don't think they could do it, but I don't think they want to do that.
I hate to sound.
To call you out as a complete Pollyanna here.
Because generally.
It wouldn't be good.
That's not an accusation that's normally laid at you.
But let me present an alternative scenario.
Okay.
But the reason I say that is I don't know whether I'm just.
I don't know.
I don't feel frightened.
I'm pissed off with what they're doing.
I'm not yet frightened.
Maybe.
Do I lack imagination?
I think they're going to squeeze us psychologically.
Through the medium of, um, forced restriction, you will go into the supermarket and it'll be empty.
When that happens, folks, don't panic.
There really are shortages.
I don't think they're going to starve everybody to death and turn the electricity off because you know what?
I'm going to go hunting if they do that, might as well.
And I'm a mild mannered, middle class scientist.
If I feel this angry, there are plenty of other people who are going to be a lot less sympathetic.
So that's the reason I don't think they'll do it, James.
Not because they give a shit, but because I think what they love most of all, probably even more than hurting you, they like control.
They like control.
They like to know what's going to happen.
I think they can't bear uncertainty.
Can I paint a more depressing figure?
Go on, then.
Well, okay.
So, what if?
Because, look, we've established right at the beginning of this podcast that what they like to do is kill us.
I think so.
And they have to devise these ingenious ways of making these kill methods look like they're for our benefit.
I mean, like, even just very briefly, I commend to you a book by Shannon Rowan.
I had her on the podcast once.
She's a California, she's American anyway.
She read a book called Shots Fired, and it's a very detailed book about all the things we're talking about, about vaccines and medicine.
And there's a bit where she talks about these things called, you know about this, adjuvants.
Oh, yes.
Adjuvant?
Adjuvant.
Oh, well.
All vaccines need these adjuvants.
And you think, well, it must be a good thing, right?
An adjuvant.
And then you read the small print and you discover that adjuvant is this horrible stuff.
Toxic shit they put in to get a reaction to show that.
So, anyway, sorry, I don't want to.
You're right.
Well, I was always taught it was there, so it's a rev up your immune system.
So it's like, yes.
But all this it does is it causes inflammatory crises in you.
No wonder you feel unwell.
Exactly, exactly.
So, I don't, yeah, yeah.
So, they've got all these fancy terms that make the brainwashed go, ah, well, that makes sense to me now because there's a fancy word that I don't quite understand, but the word.
The very fact I don't understand it must mean that it's a good thing and that they know what they're doing.
Yeah.
So, okay.
So they're out to kill us.
Maybe this is the last stage.
They've already built their.
I mean, every oligarch, every Illuminati person and subperson, they've got their.
What do they call those rooms where they fight when it all kicks off?
A bunker.
They've got their bunkers or they've got their safe.
This is another word.
Epstein Island, their refuge.
They're ready for all this.
They've got all their tin foie gras ready for.
And they've got their page, their henchmen who are going to fight off with guns anyone who tries to.
And they've imported their kind of force of killers who are now running Turkish barber shops all over the country.
And they've been housed in.
So they're ready for when it all kicks off, when it all goes down.
You're right, James.
I think it's settling to just.
Then what I'm saying is maybe they're not even pretending anymore.
Maybe this is it.
They've just given up pretending they're not trying to kill us.
And, and this is the final, final thing.
And, and look at the Deagle depopulation plans.
Um, please, please counter that argument that, that, that, oh, they don't care about, they don't care about us marching on pitchforks and killing all the politicians because politicians were their servants anyway.
No, absolutely.
So yeah, if basically if this was the, um, Crossing the Rubicon, burning all the boats, mixing my metaphors, you know, for example, on the island of Britain.
Yeah.
If, for example, rewilding was the future use of this island, which is entirely possible, so that the king could go hunting again, wouldn't it be perfect?
It's basically awesome.
Seagulls and beavers.
Yes.
Because they could turn everything off, and their modelers have worked out.
They've worked out what the time course of the expected fall in population is.
And they'll say by 2028, there'll be small marauding bands of people going around, eating the corpses of the remaining people.
Um, but you know, it will be safe to go by 2031.
They could do that.
Um, they could do that.
Counter it was the argument.
Um, I, I, what I would say is they're clever, but they're not gods.
Probability Of Aliens00:15:40
They have got modeled expectations of what will happen in response to scenario A, B, and C, but they, it's not certainty, James.
And you remember the old saw from the, um, Prussian, uh, war generals that, or Napoleon, that battle plans scarce survive first contact with the enemy.
The future is almost never what you think it's going to be.
They might be able to put it tomorrow with high fidelity and next week they'll be pretty damn right, but you know, within a month, three months, how do they know, for example, that we might not be luckily resourceful and take over the Foley refinery and it turns out that 10 of us used to work then.
We get the bloody thing working again.
Are they sure?
How sure?
So I would say each, each, each, I could think of lots of little discrete outcomes that might be annoying for them.
And the probability of any one of those happening is low.
But if you look at the probability of one of them, over all of them occurring, eventually it starts to become disturbingly high.
And I think that represents an out of control.
A likely out of control situation.
Um, now they could probably, you know, send some army people in, or as you said, the Turkish barber, our nice guests, uh, and finish us off.
But it's, I would say it's an uncertainty that they don't need to assume.
It's a risk they don't need to take.
They could do it.
But if I, if I was the evil, I think if somebody told me it's like, um, the reason why we should use cash, for example, is, You imagine the Bank of International Settlements, uh, and they, they, they turn up at the meeting, you know, to the real bosses, because it's not them.
They're, they're staff, aren't they?
The people who work at the Bank of International Settlements.
Yeah.
So they, they, they're giving a presentation about CBDCs and they have that big fat bloke, Augustin Carstens.
Uh, I hope he dies soon.
It'd be really good if he did.
He's the one that said, we do not know who is using 100 peso bill today, 100 dollar bill today, but we will have.
Technology that allows us to know about the use of every expression of central bank liability and the technology to enforce it.
Right?
That's see, cashless.
They chose him to annoy you, Mike.
Go on then.
No, he did.
They chose this enormous fat bloke to lecture you on how to do your life, knowing that you react in this way.
Absolutely.
It's almost like whatever it is.
There's the fat bloke in some film a long time ago who.
Mr. Freesearch.
Mr. Creosote, and he was offered just a little after the, after dinner mint and then exploded.
Oh, wow.
All this sort of stuff.
So, yeah, you imagine this, though.
And they, they just give their presentations to, you know, the overlords.
They could just be, they like, they might look like normal humans, you know, these people in charge, James.
It's possible that they have horns.
Uh, but I don't know.
It's, they could be, they could look like humans and not be humans.
I don't know who they are.
They could just have lots of money.
The reason I, Went down that little flight of fancies.
What has happened, it seems to me, over the last few years is so unbelievably well coordinated that it feels like they've been using either a good AI, which may have existed a long time before we learned anything about it, or something supernatural.
Because how the hell have they coordinated everything so well?
And as far as I can tell, almost no faults.
And I think sometimes where there has been a fault, it almost looks like.
They did that on purpose to see whether to then research how many people detected it.
So, anyway, it doesn't matter.
Does it make any difference whether they're consumers, demons, or clever people?
Just briefly on that note, somebody tweeted out today that maybe NASA is going to make a miscalculation and make their project seem so absurd that everyone will wake up and realize.
And I said, no, that's not the model.
The model is deliberately to make their projects look embarrassingly shit because mockery is part of the.
They mock their own work sometimes, don't they?
The mass shooting in Australia, is that not one where apparently it was so obviously not as described that you only needed to be paying attention to see that it couldn't possibly.
I don't know.
Wasn't the heroes of the year somebody who had.
Been involved in a terrorist incident somewhere else.
Oh, yes.
The guy who, as luck would have it, he'd been in Israel, he'd been in October 7th, and then he'd flown to Australia for a better life and found himself in the middle of an Islamic terrorist incident.
It's just astonishing.
But to us, Mike, it's so obvious.
And to the, I mean, in a way, we are, to use a Masonic phrase, we are the sacred and the normies of the profane.
Yeah.
They love mocking people and making it so obvious because, because part of the, part of the way that Satan works, and we, and we agree that Satan is the CEO, is he can only do this stuff with your consent, which is why you have to give the vampire permission to cross your threshold.
This is, this is, that's a kind of literary analog to what actually happens.
They need to do, they, they show you what they're going to do and they make it absurd.
And if you still believe it, you're, Effectively, by their rule book, you are giving consent.
Yeah, you didn't say anything.
You didn't object at all.
Yeah, no, I must say, although I think they eschew lack of control, I think they love making us suffer.
But I really think that what they like even more is control because it's like now, if I have control, I can torture and kill that person anytime I want.
And it gives me a frisson of excitement.
Oh, and now I'm going to do it.
Whereas, if it just said, throw the switch and let us know how to get on, they could do that.
But I just think they like control.
The counter argument, James, to your argument would be why do that when they can have a glorious time torturing us under complete control?
So, my prediction is that, as you said earlier, we're going to be told, oh, core lummy, because of this very unfortunate war and pets, chemicals, and fertilizers all being damaged.
We're all going to have to pull our belt in.
And that means, I'm afraid, no driving unless you're an essential worker.
Oh, and by the way, you won't be able to get petrol without using a digital ID.
We need to know who's got the fuel, you see.
We can't have a black market developing.
So, what perfect way to install digital ID this would be?
So, I think it'll be genuine shortages, which are genuinely short, but they don't need to be.
I don't think they blow.
Why would they blow their own bloody infrastructure up either?
They don't tend to do that these days, I don't think.
Let's accept that your case is the correct one.
And I do find it seductive.
How it's all very well, say, look, with the vaccine, we could say, I'm not going to take this, this, I'm not going to have it in my arm.
But you can't say, right, well, I'm going to go and steal the petrol from the petrol station or I'm going to drive anyway.
I mean, haven't they got us over a barrel at this point?
Yeah, no, they do.
But a statistic, just I don't know if this is true, but I was reading an account about wartime rationing.
In Britain, because I thought I better go and find out at least what was said.
And by the end of 1945 in Britain, rough guess what fraction of food was delivered to the table by the black market?
And it was about a third.
About a third.
Now, people might say, yeah, well, that was because there was a lot more local growing.
And I am sure that's true.
You know, somebody, you know, when they were slaughtering a cow or whatever, if you were.
Put a word in the right ear and you could trade something, maybe gold or whatever for someone else's meat.
But nevertheless, I thought bloody hell, a whole third.
What that suggests is that the easygoing, law abiding English person that we are told, you know, that is what occupied this country just 70 years ago or 80 years ago.
A third of them were engaged in something that was effectively criminal.
They were, they were buying petrol and, you know, there would be the seedy guy would have cigarettes inside his Drain is raincoat, people would basically.
So, I what I'm saying is, I think to the extent some fuel, some food is going to be available, that is, they're not going to actually starve us.
That means there will be some food, there will be some fuel, and I think some of it will escape the clutches of the dark controllers and will be available on the black market.
Now, I've no idea whether it'll be a tenth of what we need.
You know, 1% could be a third, but you might think, Oh no, everything's got a barcode on it these days.
It's like, has it, has it really?
Let me just mention, uh, I mentioned, I think on the previous podcast that when Bunny and I were going to America, uh, maybe two or three years ago, the guy at the check in was a Spaniard and he'd been working at Heathrow for some years and he grabbed my hand.
He recognized me.
He wouldn't let go.
And he said, uh, do you know?
He said, um, when we, when people couldn't fly without a vaccine passport or a negative test, he said, he said, I need to tell you something.
He said, They weren't real.
I said, what do you mean?
He said, people would turn up with like handmade QR codes.
They'd used Microsoft paint and then like taken an image and then dumped it into a genuine certificate.
I could tell it wasn't real because I've got a good eye, but he said, if they looked like they'd made a fair attempt so that if another security guard looked at it, they wouldn't know it was fake.
Cause otherwise I'd be in the shit.
He said, if it looked like a good attempt, I let them through.
And I said, what do you mean I let them through?
Didn't you have to beat them?
He said, yeah, that you beat them and a green light came on.
I said, what?
He didn't go up to a database in the sky.
He said, there wasn't a database.
There wasn't a VaxPass database.
There wasn't a negative test database.
Now, might there be such a thing?
Of course there might be.
That sounds quite easy.
But the fact is, James, they didn't bloody do it.
They just relied on you thinking it was in existence.
I'll give you two other examples.
Yeah.
When you travel on a train in this country, you get a little sort of orange ticket, and on the back, it's got like a one centimeter wide.
Magnetic strip.
I'm told that's what it is anyway.
And when Bunny and I got to London, I would say every other trip, one of our blessed tickets stops working.
You poke the little paste ticket in and it flips out and it doesn't lift the barrel.
And you have to go to the man or the lady and say, Excuse me, my ticket's not working.
And then without looking at you, they just get their pass and they open the turnstile in the tube, right?
Yeah.
Here's my point, James.
That's about as bloody simple as it gets.
They've been having magnetic strip train tickets for what, 40 years?
And it's still no bloody work.
So my last example, uh, armed with this information from the Spanish guy, I said to Joanna, we were coming back from, uh, Cyprus recently and previously Tenerife.
And I said, let's play a game when we get to the smart entry things at Heathrow.
She said, what?
What do you mean?
I said, well, if you put your passport in, I, I have a hypothesis that that's all that's being read.
Uh, and so we agreed to try it.
Sorry, I made a mistake.
We came back from one trip and we both did what we're supposed to do.
We put our passports in the reader and we stood there and the little camera goes until it finds you and then it flashes.
Five seconds passes and the gate opens.
So we both did that, but I noticed and Joanna noticed that her turns, her machines didn't flash and you're in quite a dark hall.
So something was wrong with the machine, but we went in, it read the passport, it hunted for our face.
Mine flashed, hers didn't, both turnstiles opened.
And as we walked out, she said to me, I don't think mine flashed.
I said, Did yours flash?
So we both noticed.
Anyway, I said, My theory is they're not using biometric facial recognition at all.
And if we enter with each other's passports next time, it'll open.
So we came in and with each other's passports, and we'd swapped our ticket stubs so we'd have plausible deniability.
Oh, it's got my name on.
Oh, God.
Put it in my last passport.
So, anyway, she made a bit of a nausea of presenting the passport and it failed to take a reading.
And eventually, someone came over and we were rumbled.
But what we did when we both went in together, so Joanna put hers in, I put mine in.
Joanna very decidedly looked down hard at her feet so that the top crown of her head was facing the camera.
And I went like this.
All right.
So, my eyes were screwed closed, my face was contorted, and my tongue was stuck out.
Barry's just let both of us in.
Took a picture of my, the crown of my wife's head and it took a gargoyle like picture with me with my eyes closed.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's not possible, is it, that they are using biometric facial recognition?
Could they do so?
I don't know.
Maybe.
But you know what?
They don't need it to work.
They just need you to think it's working.
The reason I tell this story is I want you to not believe when they tell you in the face of rationing and Digital ID and whatever, and entering and leaving supermarkets, it'll be a farce.
It won't be real.
To we need to we need to test the thing by let's let's pretend it ain't working, James.
Just do it anyway.
So if they ration us, but you can still buy food with money, the rations go and buy it, and you'll be told you won't be able to because your digital ID won't work.
I think it'll be a Potemkin set up, um, because it's cheap and they're cheapskates as well.
And they hate us.
So why put together a sophisticated system where one that would fool children? Is fooling most of us.
Digital ID Potemkin Setups00:12:44
But anyway, I don't think that will last forever.
But I think it's a very cheery message on which to end the podcast.
I just want to say, I love you, Mike.
I think you're fantastic.
I love you and Bunny loves you too.
I mean, we've never done that.
I would say you have the most interesting guests of anyone.
In fact, that's suspicious.
We've thought, how is he so well connected?
Are the CIA providing all of your guests, James?
My dark lord.
My, my dark lord.
Exactly.
But no, we do joke.
I mean, you, you, you can't really be certain of anybody.
I, I've said to my wife, we were walking and I said, it's, it's so difficult.
You can't really trust anyone.
I said, you can't even trust me.
And she said, I've known you for 43 years.
You're not capable of any of that.
And she is right.
I'm not, she said, you're not capable of any subterfuge.
You would be rumbled immediately.
So I'll be wrong about a lot of stuff, but I'm not lying.
That's the one thing you can be sure of.
And so, yeah.
So, Just back to the cash, just a little story of Augustine Carson's the fat man.
Do you think they picked a very fat man just because it would piss us off?
Maybe they did.
So imagine that they've all given a report to the principal about how CBDCs are going and the rationing and so on.
And then they asked the cash lady or the cash guy, so we're going to shut cash off.
I want you to tell me precisely what are the predictable impacts on various bits of the economy.
And they go, we've no idea.
What do you mean you have no idea?
The amount of cash that's being used is three times what it used to be.
There's no way to know what sectors are, you know, because remember, a £20 note can go through and through and through.
A single £20 note could furnish 10 transactions in the same day, couldn't it?
Yeah.
So if you're my hairdresser, I give you my £20 note.
He might go to the whatever, a stall at the market and buy a pasty.
Then that person might, whatever, bet on a horse, buy some petrol.
So.
Cash is lethal.
The reason they don't like cash is one, they can't interfere.
It's an unmediated transaction between you and the person providing the goods and services.
Not only can they not interfere, but they don't even know what it's, what that is happening.
And then thirdly and worse, this is much more powerful.
Cash is so much more powerful because it's not only anonymous and not interferable with and not recordable, but it's, it's genuinely contagious, James.
You can put, if you drop a 20 pound note into the economy, It will keep going around until the banks, till someone pays it into a business, pays it into the bank, and then it can be either destroyed or put out through an ATM, a cash point.
But so I keep saying to people, the cash stuff is more important than you know.
It's not even about your anonymity.
It's about throwing a spanner in the works of knowing, of them knowing precisely what will happen if they do things.
And the more cash that there is in use, this is true, the less predictable the effect of removing it.
And I don't think they like it.
They're not just selling.
They don't like it.
Get more cash.
Get more cash.
It's, they don't like, why do I think they don't like control?
Is that just a convenience?
They work so hard for it, James.
Here's the example.
The example of look how hard they've worked in order to prevent professionals rumbling that something's wrong with vaccines and speaking about it.
They've put in place like a standard operating procedure, regardless of the profession, so they can expedite you being warned and silenced.
If they didn't really care, you know, they would just let it, it probably wouldn't go anywhere.
But I've seen several people who are not medics.
Uh, be threatened by professional bodies.
So it's not the best example, maybe, because it's, I do think that's, it's not the only one.
I do think it's a very important weapon for them because the, the combination of being able to frighten you, to restrict you and then roll up your sleeve to be poisoned, that's ultimately what it is.
If they want, it's, it's an incredible, incredibly powerful weapon which they don't want threatened.
But my, my general thought, James, is that they've worked very hard.
To keep us mostly normies in our places.
Think of the money they spend on TV, the news, films.
I don't watch, I never was a film watcher, but I've watched other people dismantling, say, God, what's his name?
The most famous, Kubrick, Kubrick.
People, Stanley Kubrick's movies.
I have no idea how much.
Symbolic effort.
You probably know much more about this.
You're a culture person.
So, in novels, TV, series, and movies, and you know, so there's so much they've put in so much effort to control us that you might say, Well, that's necessary.
Is it necessary?
Or do they want like a 99.9999% confidence?
That I just think they put so much effort in.
That's that is what they might do.
I'd be genuinely surprised.
We are still, I think we're still too close to normality to pull the big yellow handle.
You could be right, James.
What are we?
Six years, six and a quarter years.
I still think we're too close to normality for people to go full on, you know.
I don't know.
I think I may be wrong.
And the truth is, in this conversation, one thing I think is fairly unlikely, and that's everything goes back to normal.
Yeah, it could.
No.
I think it's unlikely.
So I think it's going to be somewhere between.
Yeah, this is why.
If they have rationing, James, they will almost certainly succeed in making the normies adopt digital ID.
Yes.
So if they get the rationing right and the incentives, almost everybody will sign up for digital ID.
You know, we might find it's either black market or feed yourself.
Or starve those, or go and burgle other people.
So I imagine the incentive to adhere to what they want you to do will be very strong.
And it may be they might think, you know, let's just do three months of that and then we'll take a view.
Don't you think that's quite attractive if you were one of the dark controllers?
The idea that you might get almost everybody signed up.
Once they've got everybody signed up to digital ID, the removal of cash is a choice they can make, even if we riot, they could just stop releasing it.
And they could come up with all sorts of sensible reasons, like the De La Rue printing plant was bombed by an Iranian terrorist.
Because apparently most of the banknotes in the world are made, I think, by one company called De La Rue.
Yeah.
So, I think if they could, I think they would really be very, very happy if they could get us to sign up to digital ID because then they have total control.
They can remove cash, introduce central bank digital currencies, and then it doesn't matter what you think.
Their argument will be you'll have what we give you if you're a good boy.
And that's total control.
So, let's see.
You're right, Mike.
It's not happy.
It's not happy.
It's not happy circumstance.
Well, it's not going to be.
We're never going to end with.
No, it's never going to be easy.
But when you, it's nice, lovely speaking to you, and it was great meeting you as well.
When you bump into a person who's, I don't know if the right phrase is awake, but people who've realised that we're just being lied to, you've got so much in common with that person straight away.
And you all realise that, you know, your politics doesn't matter, you know, all of it doesn't matter if you make money or leave politics anyway.
The only thing that matters is are you going to resist these people, you know?
And the answer is yes, it's not over, right?
Again, actually, just a little note of optimism.
You've interviewed, did you interview a guy called Escape Key?
Yeah, yeah, Escape Key.
He's good.
He's either an incredible psyop or he's the most remarkable researcher I've come across, Barnon, a fantastic guy.
I think he was a systems analyst for a corporation.
And he said that gave me the kind of mental skills how to attack things.
And When people said, Oh, your description of what they're trying to do is so depressing.
And he said, Nonsense.
He said, and he then cited four or five examples of things they've tried to do that didn't work.
I can't remember them, but one was League of Nations, James.
The League of Nations was a resounding failure and had to be abandoned and replaced by the United Nations, which is awesome.
And apparently, he said they've tried sort of a banking system like the one they're trying to install right now.
They tried to do that in 1880.
So he said, there's literally half a dozen major turning points where basically he thinks they thought they had us and they didn't.
So he said, this looks quite scary, but he said, they haven't actually done it yet.
And I know people in IT, old people, those who know Bill Gates and thought he was a fairly unpleasant young man before he became very wealthy.
And they've said, what you have described to me, Mike, what you think they're going to do.
He said, I don't actually think it's possible.
And I've worked for.
55 years in IT.
So I have met several people who claim to know whether or not this can be done and think it couldn't.
And what do I mean by this?
A biometric digital ID has to be up to date in the moment.
Otherwise, I might buy a sausage in Safeway and then walk to the other end of the city and buy some steak in Waitrose, right?
It's got to be updated in real time with very little latency.
And yet, when I present The goods for purchase and my digital ID, which might be connected to my payment method, it's got to decide in the moment whether to let me have that item, not my basket, that item.
Yes, no.
And it, so it must be low latency, extraordinary high accuracy.
Um, yeah.
And so, and it can't make mistakes.
It want a mistake in a thousand, maybe, or ten thousand.
But basically, and so he said that I don't think the, uh, He said, I don't think they've got systems that will process all the transactions on earth at the pace they're happening.
And remember, you need who you are, where you are, what you're trying to buy, what else you've bought recently, and then other modifiers like your social credit score.
Have you said mean things about the government on Twitter?
And all of that will come down to whether you can buy this food item or not.
And it's got to be yes or no.
In the end, the transaction clears or it doesn't clear.
And I know IT people who've said, that's wonderful what you're describing, Mike.
And I can draw the diagram on paper, but we can't do it.
My younger daughter works for an international apparel, you know, women's fashion.
And they, last year, they'd merged with another company and they'd combine their IT systems for ordering, logistics, distribution, and so on.
And they spent hundreds of thousands of pounds.
And you know where I'm going with this.
And then they did trials.
They ran in parallel for a couple of months and they did the weekend cutover.
And my daughter said, And on Monday morning, nothing worked.
It's like nothing worked.
They had all the consultants in, they had to restart the old systems, patch it up.
And he said, it's still not right now, three months later.
That was like two bloody identical companies moving women's clothing around and they couldn't do it.
It's like, yeah.
So I don't know anything about computers, but remembering what I've been told, I think they might not be able to do it.
Resolving Demoralization00:02:07
Okay, we're definitely going to end there, Mike.
All right.
Tell me.
Tell us, is your Telegram channel the best place to start?
Yeah, I've got a Telegram channel and I'm copied about six times by other people.
So you have to look for Dr. Mike Eden Solo and I'm on Substack.
What is it called?
Dr. Mike Eden Solo.
On Substack.
Right.
Yeah, and you do say some really interesting things, not just about.
But it's an echo.
At this point, I think it's an echo chamber.
I don't think I reach any new people, James.
Oh, well.
But, you know, that's okay.
Lots of people have worked things out for themselves.
And so don't let your head go down.
I don't buy into echo.
I think the very phrase echo chamber in this context was put about by the enemy to make it feel bad about saying to like minded folk, receptive folk.
I know you're not.
You're an outdoors man and you're a man of faith and you're positive.
But I would say to you and to myself and all the listeners, What they want is for you to be demoralized.
I think that's a very important outcome demoralization.
So, resolve not to be demoralized.
You've cheered me up.
You've cheered resolve not to be demoralized.
I'm going to have a cheery cigarette now.
Absolutely.
Jump to Jerry and go and pass a horse or whatever.
I will do.
I'm doing that tomorrow.
Excellent.
When your finger is better.
Oh, yeah.
I'm having the thing out on Wednesday.
I did enjoy your conversation with Dick about that.