Dave Collum and James Delingpole dissect alleged elite conspiracies, claiming Anglo-American groups like the Milner Group and Rothschilds orchestrated both World Wars to destroy German power. They assert the moon landings were faked stunts, the 9/11 attacks were an inside job benefiting Israel, and Hollywood serves intelligence agencies through corrupt productions. The discussion further alleges a global satanic network involving bloodline families controls gender ideology, child trafficking, and vaccine safety, arguing that exposing these patterns removes mental "limiter switches" to reveal a prearranged New World Order. Ultimately, the episode suggests mainstream narratives are deliberate deceptions designed to maintain elite control over geopolitical and cultural dynamics. [Automatically generated summary]
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Photographs and Hidden Illness00:02:08
James.
I say column, but that's.
I think I'd say.
I'm going to call you column because I think that's the smart English way.
It could be.
You can call me whatever you want.
I get called golem.
I get called everything.
I got called a Holocaust denying Nazi.
So everything above that's pretty much.
Do you know we have this in common, apart from being a Holocaust denying Nazi?
But I get called golem by my haters as well.
Oh, is that right?
Yeah.
Oh, that's really interesting because mine makes sense.
Yours, I don't know.
No, the reason is okay, I'll tell you this story.
Um, About the last piece I did when I still trusted the mainstream media.
Which was when?
Quite a couple of years ago, yeah.
No, I think we're talking about 10 years ago, something like that.
And I did a piece, one of those kind of right off the top of your head pieces for the Daily Telegraph, which is a very, very compromised newspaper.
I mean, it's completely in the pay of the cabal and everything.
It massively pushed.
The COVID nonsense and everything else.
And it was about, oh, I can't remember, about the joys of fatherhood or something or whatever.
Anyway, they wanted a photograph of me.
And I posted up, I gave them permission to use a photograph of me in some water, swimming in Wales.
And what I hadn't twigged was that this was a phase of my life where I was really quite seriously ill.
I didn't know it.
And I lost so much weight.
What did you have?
Yeah, I mean, imagine, look at me now.
What did you have?
What did you have?
Oh, some kind of autoimmune or something, you know.
One of those symptom described diseases, right?
Solid Gold and Silver Advice00:03:32
Exactly.
I lost a lot, lot, lot of weight.
And you could see my ribs.
I mean, it was like the liberation of Belson or something.
Sorry to be tasteless.
Oh, I expect nothing less.
Okay.
And.
Um, when I saw it in the papers, I was kind of horrified.
I thought, What have I done?
This picture of me, and it was constantly used against me.
It was like, You are evil, and here is proof that you are so evil because look how skinny and vile you look.
And some people call me Gollum after that.
Yeah, I used to, I used to, um, my Twitter feed at one point, I used to what looked like a mugshot, and I referred to myself as a man from Florida, which is always a serial killer of some kind.
Yeah.
That would be you.
You could be, Dave, I have to say.
I could be.
I could be.
So, do you know what?
This is like one of those, um, American sort of trendy American soaps and also some sitcoms where you have this section right at the beginning before the credits where they, they, they sort of riff on something zany and then the credits roll and then, and then the actual show starts.
So, I'm going to start the show now, having done the zany interchange.
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Dave, have you still got your job?
Yeah.
Top Ten University Rankings00:02:34
Yeah, I haven't gotten any grief actually for, here's the interesting thing.
I probably shouldn't say this, but no one will listen to you anyways, probably from here.
You'll probably get a lot of people from Wales.
One day I got asked to go to lunch by the guy who runs the group to oversee media and social media for Cornell.
To sort of watch for flames and smoke and things like that.
And so I went to lunch with him and he said, You're my hero.
No.
So, so if I ever do get in a mess, he's, he would undoubtedly be called in and say, Well, tell us what you've been seeing.
And I think I'm going to get nothing but, but praise.
But I also got a nice email when I was on, I was on Tucker, which was quite a surreal moment, I might add.
I want to hear more about this, but yeah, come on.
But, but, but, um, I got a very nice email from a, I'll say a dean because I don't want to, I don't want to implicate a specific dean, but saying, yeah, I don't agree with everything you said, but it was a fantastic interview, you know, so.
Whoa.
Well, I speak high praise for the university.
So there's no one out there who's beating, who's beating Cornell's drum more than me.
I'm very loyal to the place.
So, you know, if they have a problem with what I say online, they should, they should listen more carefully.
I mean, I have as a, as a non American, I've heard of Cornell.
Is it?
That's good.
Yeah, so it's a good start.
Is it, I mean, in the rankings, is it generally thought to be one of the top five, top 10?
Depends on the ranking system you use.
So if you're talking, I think globally as universities, I think we come in somewhere around one year we came in 15th globally and 16th nationally, which is a rather stunning stat.
So what I like to say is, like in chemistry, we're one of the 15 schools in the top 10.
Okay.
Okay.
I was just thinking, I mean, I'm very, very pleasant.
There are not many things that are good in the world right now.
And it makes me happy to think that there might be a university, a leading university in America, which is not totally shit.
I mean, it's.
Well, so we got terrible press over the last couple of years because, you know, when October 7th occurred, which we can have fun with that one too, I'm sure.
Israel, Iran, and MAGA00:16:09
In fact, the last time we spoke, you went pretty heavy into Israel.
And I wasn't quite yet ready.
So I was trying to, I was kind of waving you off and you were digging in.
You were like a kicker.
No, that's okay.
I can do it.
And then since that time, the Zionists have turned me into mincemeat.
And so I said, ah, screw it.
Let's talk about Israel.
But a guy here, when on October 7th, one of my colleagues in the humanities said that he was exhilarated.
And that got national press.
And one could argue that was maybe not the right thing to say.
But I now understand that as a Palestinian, that's exactly what you would say.
Right?
Finally, we struck back.
And I've now, you know, I have a friend in military intelligence who said, You're trying to understand the world.
You're refusing to understand Israel, which I was.
I was kind of saying, Look, this is just a hornet's nest, I don't want to go near.
And then he, he told me some stuff to read and I came out of it going, Oh my God.
No wonder I was avoiding it.
Um, one of them was, you know, Steve Walt, um, John Mearsheimer's Israel lobby, which, which the other day Steve Hanke in a podcast said, Oh, and that's very watered down.
It's very tame.
It's very understated.
I'm going, you got to be kidding me.
Um, I haven't seen this document.
What, what, what is this?
It's a, well, first it started out as an article that they wrote that they couldn't get published in the United States.
And then they wrote a book based on the article that basically goes through all the arguments for why you might support Israel and why none of them are valid.
Okay.
Yeah, it's the Bible for those who want to dislike Israel.
That's one way to put it.
I think, in some ways, what legitimizes your position and my position is I don't know where you started from, but I certainly.
Zero.
I started from a position of not just zero, I mean, in terms of not just neutrality, I was rabidly pro Israel.
I was not.
If you listen to my first, my earliest podcast, you'll find me and my brother saying, yeah, we want to go to Israel.
We want to go and go into one of those IGF training camps where you shoot at girls, women carrying shopping and, and, and, you know, in the training ground, the urban warfare training ground.
And I want to learn Krav Maga or Krav Maga, whatever it's called.
And I want to eat, eat Ossolengi falafels in Tel Aviv.
And, and, and I love, they're so great.
And, and they win all their wars and the, and they, and they rescue whenever they wound Palestinians, they then bring them in, into their, Top notch upmarket hospitals and they care of them.
They care for them and they've got such a bad reputation.
All this stuff.
So I went from there to hang on.
This is just basically Satan.
I mean, their symbol, the star of David is literally a satanic symbol.
And so the scales are falling from my eyes big time.
And people who think I think I and and and you by the sounds of it are kind of rabidly anti Semitic Nazi ought to ask themselves, why did these these guys Don't seem totally thick.
I mean, to be a professor at Cornell, you can't be thick as pig shit, can you?
I imagine.
I don't know.
I'd have to plead the fifth on that one.
Well, okay.
Well, it's possible that we're not totally stupid.
So, what would it be that would turn us up to the next level?
Well, for me, literally, I grew up.
Barely aware of Jews in my world.
So, I, for example, all the way up as a professor, I was probably here 10 years before I started to realize that I had more Jewish colleagues than I realized, right?
So, it just wasn't a label that was in any way, shape, or form relevant to me.
There's a reason for that, by the way, Dave.
I'm sorry that you weren't aware about because sometimes they're in disguise.
I mean, it might be, but it also might just be that it wasn't a parameter that mattered to me.
They were very smart.
And it turns out, guys who've had the balls to do intelligence correlations with race, which is quite a, in the social sciences, that's high risk territory, keep coming back to the Ashkenazi tribe of the Jews as the smartest people.
And that's where you find all the Nobel Prizes in physics and things like that.
So, you know, what I have found is, I know through the years, is when I've made some reference to Jews being smarter than everyone else.
That seemed to creep people out.
There's two reasons.
One is that there's many people who don't even like to use the term Jew, which I've attempted to desensitize myself to, but they say Jewish people.
And you sound like Miss Teen South Carolina.
Remember that funny interview where she searched Miss Teen South Carolina and you'll see a very funny thing where she's asked to answer a question.
She totally boned it, totally boned it.
And she looked like a complete idiot.
And she said, She says, some people, and I keep hearing Jewish people in that same sort of tone.
And you're butchering the language and avoiding the word Jew, which I believe probably has its origins in it sounds too close to Juden, which immediately gets you to Nazi Germany, sort of emotionally.
Right.
So I would tend to say, look, they use it.
It's a legit term, it's not pejorative.
If you want to spell it J O O Z, it becomes pejorative, right?
But, but, so I've tried to desensitize.
Um, but, um, but my, my, my colleagues were incredibly smart.
It, it never crossed my mind.
One of them spent two years in an attic, um, before coming out and surviving and winning a Nobel Prize.
Um, and that's like in Amsterdam, an attic in Germany.
Yeah.
An attic in Germany.
And, and I've, I've had conversations with them about the origins of anti-Semitism.
What happened?
Why is this?
Play out the way it is.
And I'd read books about ancient history and sort of was picking up on the, you know, the, the Christians saying, you know, you know, charging interest is usury and we shouldn't do it.
And it's dirty.
Let's, let's, let's make the Jews do it.
And the joke I like to say is the Jews are sitting there going, yeah, we're up with that.
You know, they're not stupid, as I said, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
We'll, we'll handle the money.
You guys take care of all the dirty, grimy crap, right?
And, uh, there might even been a selection pressure for if you're not smart, you don't survive.
And so that, that might.
Be why that population, but it's also a very tight population, right?
They've preserved their sort of history more than any other group by a country mile, I think, right?
They've really stayed within the tribe.
And so, in any event, so I had no horse in the race, even to the point of oblivion, I would say.
And then, and it seemed obvious to me that if you're surrounded by people who all want to kill you, that you got to be tough as nails.
And so there was a certain admiration, and you know, Raiden and Tabby and stuff like that were all famous moments in my childhood, younger years.
And don't forget Ben Hur.
Ben Hur, yeah.
And then October 7th occurred.
Um, and I was going to write about, um, this before I got into kerfuffle, which is very British, um, being on Tucker and saying something that somehow triggered the Zionists like crazy.
It was a completely bizarre moment.
But, um, but I, I was, I was going to write about Gaza and how, you know, look, I can't stand by and watch this anymore.
I've got to criticize them.
So I, I was going to write out this, this narrative of how I got here and, you know, Gaza.
Is just over the top.
And, you know, guys like Dave Smith made a very compelling case for why you can't blow up a building with 100 people in it because there's one terrorist somewhere buried in that building, right?
That's just not acceptable.
And you can, you know, flip the argument and say, yeah, we burned Dresden to the ground in World War II and didn't lose a lot of sleep over that one.
So, you know, but somehow I don't find those two equatable.
And what finally drove me bananas besides.
The Tucker interview triggering the anti Zionists was the realization that there's a lot of bad things we've done.
You know, I do sort of agree with his, we tend to be the biggest terrorists on the planet.
I think it might be too hyperbolic to say it that way, but we certainly have bombed the crap out of a lot of people.
And the Vietnam War was actually managed.
I've read a couple books on Vietnam, and we ran it as a terrorist operation.
We terrorized villages, we didn't just fight villages.
Viet Cong, right?
Was that Operation Phoenix?
I think it was called.
There's all sorts of stuff, but it was horrible.
Like the My Lai massacre, for example, the defense of Cali when he got convicted of massacring a village is he says this was standard operating procedure.
That's how we did it.
And so we just weren't being told that.
And so there's a lot of burn the village to the ground, terrorize them, and then run, right?
That sort of stuff.
So what's different about this particular case, I finally decided I.
I think I understand why this one bugs me.
And that is, for example, I'm a big truther.
I think 9 11 was completely an inside job.
I don't know the details of how inside it was.
I don't know who did it.
I don't know who knew.
I'm pretty sure Israel knew it was coming.
I think the evidence is pretty good.
And it was in Israel's best interest for it to happen.
So if they knew it was coming, they're going, oh, this is an opportunity.
We're just going to shut our mouths.
It's not completely crazy, right?
That's in Israel's best interest.
I can make the argument that Dick Cheney, knowing it's coming, made, made a decision that he felt was in the United States best interest.
Cause you just say, well, what a horrible thing to do.
I say, well, but we dropped people on Omaha beach and you know, yeah, we, we made tough decisions.
And if you can't make a call that's going to cost thousands of lives, you can't be in that position.
You've got to be able to make that call.
If you say that's what we need.
And so I can make the case that Cheney actually believed that we were doing this for the United States, not that I agree with him.
That it was a good decision, but I believe that he could think it was.
I don't believe the decisions to our recent decisions to help Israel.
I don't believe our decisions made in the United States' best interest.
I think they're clearly in Israel's best interest.
So that's where the America First movement has come from is that people are saying this is no longer America First, what I'm seeing on a MAGA.
So they've peeled off from the MAGA movement pretty much and said, I'm not MAGA, I'm America First.
And so I think that the decision to bomb Iran was not.
In America's best interest, period.
Period.
Not in anybody.
I mean, certainly not in the world's best interest.
I mean, the way it's being packaged is a kind of.
Or you watch what's going on this morning?
There's some real trouble brewing.
I tried to put that on the internet.
So Trump put out a tweet that said, we're going to destroy the entire civilization of Iran.
We're going to totally destroy it.
And it was a horrific tweet.
I mean, it was really, really nasty.
It really sounded like the worst of nuclear weapons.
Fuentes or whatever.
It was nasty, nasty stuff, and everyone's appalled by it.
And then Iran just said we've cut off all communications with the United States now.
That's great.
I find that very reassuring.
Well, it certainly suggests it's getting interesting.
And I think Iran has been fairly measured throughout this war.
They have escalated in response to the United States and Israel.
And I think Iran did not want this war.
I know Israel did.
And I'm going to put it this way in my heart, I know Israel did.
In my brain, who knows anything?
And so.
And so now you've got this situation where it's Column's model of the world.
It's just a hunch, but I believe that Iran's play is to destroy the world's economy while surviving, right?
Which I'm positive they will.
The Persians have been around for what, 3,000 years?
They're not going away.
These guys, it's still going to be Persia.
And I think if they can cause real damage to the world's economy, which is a hot debate whether they've already done it, right?
Whether we've already crossed some failsafe point.
Yeah.
But if they do manage to destroy the economy, put a serious dent in it, and then everything sort of settles down and the strait opens up, and maybe people have to pay Iran some money to go through the strait and stuff like that, it seems likely.
What they will have achieved is that the next time Israel says, Oh, we got to bomb Iran again, the rest of the world will mug Israel and say, Go back home.
Last time you did this, we got fucked.
So, I think Iran needs to make the world pay, which is why I think they were willing to whack their neighbors, even though they were whacking U.S. based sites and stuff, is my understanding.
But also, whenever they tried to come to the negotiating table, they got killed.
They got killed.
Israel used to.
That's a catastrophic decision.
They thought that was so clever.
Like to the Pagers.
I don't think the Pagers was particularly clever.
But if you can no longer go to the negotiating table, You've shut off all mechanisms to end wars.
So there, there are two different, um, alternative, let's say theories on what's going on right now.
And, and one is, is yours that the, the U S Trump is finally showing his true colors that he, he was always a prisoner of Israeli interest because of his son-in-law.
I mean, imagine sending that, uh, a member of Chabad to go and negotiate the treaty in the first place.
I mean, it's, it's just like throwing it over to a kind of, Millennial death cult to take care of your millenarian death cult.
But also, that.
Well, actually, no, the alternative is that Trump is and always has been kayfabe.
He's an actor.
And he's playing up a side of himself at the moment that we've seen glimpses of in the past, but he's really playing it up now.
I mean, that.
Because the tweet you were talking about from this morning, the day before there was an expletive laden tweet.
It was like a kind of potty mouth.
Bastards, I think he called them.
F you, yeah, I mean, I can't even believe there are only many MAGA people who were impressed by that kind of tweet.
I think everyone was appalled by the last couple of days.
It's really embarrassing.
But you see, what this does is it gives him cover to operate however he wishes.
Emergent Chaos and Cover00:03:45
He's wrong footed all of us because we're all going.
Look at this guy.
He is just beyond the pale.
We cannot even engage with him as a serious person anymore.
He's flipped.
He's lost Marga.
The other sort of deep theory on this is that it's all prearranged and ultimately fake, which isn't to say that real people aren't dying and some installations aren't being blown up.
But at the highest levels, it's somehow all preordained, right?
Yeah, that Iran and the US are both In on it.
Because Trump is going to China, I think.
Is it later this month?
Smart people think this is really about China, right?
Yeah.
That it's all about China.
This is a prearranged geopolitical power handover that America is saying, right, our time in the Middle East is over.
We're going to move on.
Because at the highest level, the people who run the world, It's all about, it's all about these, these cycles, isn't it?
It's about a certain, a certain.
It finished a book on part of the Roman Empire, right?
It was very cyclical.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so that's what, I mean, I almost take more comfort in that because I, I, what I don't like is the idea that, that what's happening now is that Iran will go so scorched earth that genuinely all the world's, or most of the world's significant all installations will be taken out to the point where lots and lots of us Can't heat our homes, can't run our cars, and we starve to death as well because we haven't got any fertilizers.
And by the way, they've already been blowing up fertilizer plants in the United States.
We could already be in trouble, right?
We could already be in pretty serious trouble.
And I just don't know.
Some people think we are.
Like Duneberg, who's about as smart as anyone I know, seems to think that we're nowhere near as much trouble as the internet believes, right?
But an hour before that, I was on a podcast with Hanke, who is Sue Harto's chief economic advisor.
He's no lightweight, and he thought we were in big trouble.
And isn't this exactly where they want us?
They want to keep us guessing.
They want to keep us in a state of anxiety and uncertainty.
And meanwhile, by the way, I mean, I'm sure you were as shocked as I am.
What about the, the people making like bandits in the Trump administration from energy plays and oil plays based on the, on the president's tweets?
Yeah.
15 minutes before the tweet, someone made like a half a billion bucks.
Which is quite a lot even now, isn't it?
Even with inflation, that half a billion.
It buys a lot of takeout.
I mean, and, but here's the thing, Dave.
This is what, what, what makes me.
I agree with you, though, that it's some sense is comforting if it's actually being orchestrated because it means there is adult supervision.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
Whereas if it's random, it's, it, then it could go, it could go emergent very quickly.
Yeah.
And it could go emergent anyways because, because I, I, there was some.
You know, if you look at the history of World War I, which I now don't even know what history means anymore, I'm completely lost about how you even think about history because, you know, you hear about World War I being the Archduke getting shot that started it.
That didn't start it at all.
Not at all.
The Germans had to beg the Austrians to counterattack.
The Austrians, the guy was an asshole.
Do you think it would be better if we called it made up shittery?
Because that would be more accurate.
I know, I know.
Soviet Secrets and History00:15:19
I like kayfabe.
You know, the kayfabe, we got to make sure we give credit.
Kayfabe came from Eric Weinstein.
Who wrote an article in 2013 saying politics is kayfabe?
Did he?
He probably had an inside track on this.
It could be, you know, with Weinstein and all.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I've had several discussions with Eric, and one thing for sure is he's very smart, as is his brother.
Although, as I said to Brett one day, you two are a superior case study in nature versus nurture because they're so different, too.
Right, they're both brilliant, but they're brilliant in completely opposite ways.
So Eric is very cocky and Brett is very humble.
Do you think Eric buys Brett nice holidays and things?
I think they get along well.
I first connected with Eric when Brett was on the ropes at Evergreen State.
And I was out there banging the drum as hard as I could on social media, as was Eric, because it was his little brother.
And we sort of locked arms and sort of attacked the woke left.
And so I got to know him that way.
And then I love this funny story.
One night we're exchanging emails at like two o'clock in the morning.
And he wanted to talk about something.
I said, Call me anytime when the phone rings.
I go, Wait, wait.
I wasn't thinking.
We talk from two till four in the morning.
And I've gone, Wow, wow, Eric, time zones, buddy, time zones, do the math.
But he's so smart.
And you want to know smart, the smartest of them all is Eric's son.
Zeb, I think his name is.
He did an interview with Lex Friedman, and this 14 year old kid was just off the charts.
This 14 year old kid looked like, you know, Harvard graduate level smart.
Why would you want to interview Lex Friedman?
Why would he interview?
Oh, sorry.
Lex Friedman interviewed him.
That's right.
He interviewed a 14 year old son of Eric.
Yeah.
I want you to know.
Sorry.
I have ADHD.
Squirrel runs by.
I'm gone, right?
I'm chasing it.
You've pushed him.
Like my brain freezes over with boredom and horror at the metro.
Lex Friedman, he's so boring.
He's such a boring man.
He's all about love.
You see?
He keeps using the word love.
He keeps saying, I just love.
I just want love.
I, I want to know, because I've got a kind of, uh, I don't know, my relationship with, with Tucker.
I love Tucker.
I love, I love him to come to my house and, and, and, and spend quality time.
I'd love to go to his shooting lodge and shoot elk and, and fish, fly fish on his private lake and go in his, in his speedboat or whatever he does.
Um, he's great.
Um, at the same time, I think he's, he is still CIA.
He's not ex CIA.
And, uh, but I, but I, but I, but I, I love what he says most of the time.
And even though I don't trust him, I think he's, Wonderful.
So, what was it like, your Tucker experience?
Well, first of all, I quadruple checked that it was a legitimate request.
So, I started Googling email addresses and stuff to make sure that I wasn't being spoofed.
How did the invitation come?
Was it embossed?
A booking agent reached out to me.
A young damsel who was 23 and hired a pistol, it turns out.
And so, I finally, the date got pushed.
Back several times, and at one point, I got knocked out by some president of some country.
And then, and then, um, and then finally we recorded.
And then about a month and a half later, he posted it.
So it was a huge delay from the invite to the, to the, and I don't know if there was timing involved because it seemed to post at the start of an academic year, which maybe seemed, maybe that's logical for a faculty member interview.
I don't know.
But I, so they put me up in a hotel that turned out to be a former asylum, which I thought was funnier than shit.
Um, I was relieved that they had a reservation for me.
I said, okay, I can finally accept the idea that I'm not being duped by some fraternity brother from the past or something.
We had breakfast for about an hour and a half, which is the point where he figures out who you are.
You know, and, and with me, it might have been, how do you spell your name?
Sort of who you are.
Um, who did they stick me with this time?
And, um, and I had sort of pre-gamed it a little bit where I said, okay, what am I going to do with what's probably an hour and a half, two hours with, with Tucker?
And I decided I was going to race him down rabbit holes that I knew he was familiar with.
Things like the Las Vegas shootings and things like that.
And Anthony Weiner's laptop.
There, there were, I had, I had created this laundry list of, of rabbit holes.
Did you discuss Frazzle Drip?
I did discuss Frazzle Drip.
No.
Not explicitly, though.
Not what it actually says.
So, the fascinating question about Frazzle Drip, I was on a Zoom call with Nick Bryant about a week ago and I asked about Frazzle Drip.
I watched him.
So, he sort of smiled and recoiled back and he says, Could you clarify that question?
I said, Okay, is there a video of Hillary skinning a child?
We shouldn't laugh.
We should not laugh.
Stop it.
We should laugh.
But what else are you going to do in the face of this kind of horror, right?
This is the problem.
Laughter is a tension reliever.
And that's why, you know, the Fed got ripped for laughing during the GFC in their meetings.
There was joking and laughing, and people were offended by it.
And they go, no, you don't understand.
When you're dealing with tense topics, humor really keeps the thing from getting crazy.
So, in any event, so.
So for an hour and a half we had breakfast.
It was a little surreal because during breakfast, his phone kept getting texted.
He uses only text, probably not email.
Right.
And he's getting texted by Tulsi Gabbard and Thomas Massey.
And I'm sitting there going, oh man, I am so out of my league here.
This is really getting ridiculous.
And so then we start, and then I race them through rabbit holes Las Vegas shootings, frazzle drip at one point.
What got me in trouble was two years ago, I'd written a revised history of World War II in which.
I first read a book by Diana West called American Betrayal, where she said, you know, basically showed that FDR was totally controlled by the Soviet Union.
His right hand man, his chief of staff, and he was a super chief of staff because FDR was paralyzed.
So his chief of staff sat next to his bed, you know, 16 hours a day.
What was he called, the chief of staff?
Harry Hopkins.
Harry Hopkins, right.
And his chief of staff was a total Soviet spy.
Not just sympathetic to the Soviets, he was a Soviet spy.
So everything FDR did was going through Harry Hopkins.
He kept people away from FDR.
And FDR had to have known, so I don't let FDR off the hook.
But all the, like the Lend Lease program where we supposedly, you know, because you guys were our best friend, you know, we gave you all this weaponry, even though we couldn't get in the war, blah, We gave 20 times as much to the Soviets.
We even had an absurd situation going where we gave you a bunch of stuff and then we bullied you into giving some of it to the Soviets.
Right.
And so then it turns out that we knew that Stalin knew.
So I mentioned this.
I'm having these communications with Dinah West.
I did a couple of podcasts with her, with Mike Ferris and Sean McMeekin, who had written Stalin's War, who had reached out to me before.
I didn't even remember he had reached out to me about three years earlier.
But he says, now you have to read Stalin's War.
And Stalin's War was kind of a bigger volume version of Dinah West's book.
Okay.
And it turns out, for example, Stalin, we abandoned something like 15,000 U.S. soldiers in Soviet territory and never got them back.
The party line was we left approximately 18.
But that turns out to be just propaganda because it was getting embarrassing.
We left over 10,000, supposedly.
What do they know?
They were in gulags.
They were in gulags.
We never got them back.
We never got them back.
This is some new reading for me.
So if you want to read about my 2014, 24 year in review, I went through.
So I went through about a half a dozen books.
I'd call them alternative history, revisionist history books.
I read Day of Deceit, which was about Pearl Harbor, where we knew it was coming to the day.
We knew when it was coming.
Yes.
And Stalin knew it too.
And Stalin basically wanted us to take Japan off his flank.
And so it was totally in Stalin's interest for it to happen because he wanted us to go get Japan out of its way, his way.
And then when the war was over, We still gave tons and tons of resources to Soviet Union.
We basically built the Soviet Empire post World War II.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed.
In a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two.
New chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that, Mike.
Just go to my website and look for it jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those. people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster, we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Gaia.
No, we don't.
It's a scam.
We never got him back.
Did not, I, I, this is, this is some new reading for me.
So, so, so if you want to read about my, my 2004, 24 year in review, I went through, so I went through about a half a dozen books.
I'd call them alternative history, revisionist history books.
I went, I read, read Day of Deceit, which was about Pearl Harbor.
Yeah.
Where, where we knew it was coming to the day.
We knew when it was coming.
Yes.
Um, and, and Stalin knew it too.
And Stalin basically wanted us to take Japan off his flank.
And so it was totally in Stalin's interest for it to happen.
Because we want us to go get Japan out of its way, his way.
And then when the war was over, we still gave tons and tons of resources.
So we basically built the Soviet empire post World War II.
Even though we knew they were bad, we did it, right?
There's just nothing here.
So, and so in the podcast with Tucker, I sort of went that direction briefly.
And it turns out that I quoted Patton.
Where Patton got to the end and said something to the effect I hate to say this, but we chose to fight with the wrong dictator.
We should have fought the Soviets.
Now, I made the mistake of using the H word Hitler and say, you know, I said, you can make the argument that we should have signed with Hitler to fight Stalin.
And, and that argument's easily made to the extent that, to the extent that Stalin was, was much more ruthless, much more, um, much more lethal than, than Hitler.
But Hitler, of course, killed the Jews.
So that's, that's the thing that keeps, keeps the attention of the Zionists.
Well, in any event, after I made that statement, just a clause, we then proceeded to talk for maybe two more minutes about the evils of Stalin.
So it was clearly a discussion of Stalin.
Yeah.
And, and the, uh, and the reference to teaming up with Hitler, quoting Patton was basically a literary device I was using to introduce the topic.
Well, the Zionists went bananas on me.
And it started with Mark Levin and his, I called him a rabid.
So I had to write about it.
I had to counter him.
So Levin attacked me and I called him a rabid bobcat from hell and just basically called him an asshole and moved on.
Ted Cruz started wailing on me, but that's because Tucker had ripped Cruz a new asshole about a month earlier.
Maybe, maybe Cruz knocked me out of the, the, the loop or something to, to get interviewed.
And, and, and Cruz had said the most horrific thing where he said, when I got to Congress, my number one goal was to, uh, was to, uh, To support Israel.
And Tucker just, you would never debate Tucker, right?
There's Tucker who pretends to be stupid, and then there's Tucker, the weed whacker.
And when he decides to weed whack, you are going to lose some air.
And so he ripped Cruz to shreds.
So Cruz was still butthurt.
So Cruz attacked me.
The killer was Victor Davis Hansen, who I was a big fan of up to that moment, attacked.
Churchill, Hitler, and Allies00:15:13
What was odd is he attacked me on three fundamental points of history.
That said, we're preposterous.
And he was wrong on all three.
He was factually wrong.
And so I had to counter this.
So I wrote about it.
And so I said, you know, Ted Cruz is the senator from the state of Israel.
I've referred to Meghan McCain.
And I said, maybe you should ask what your mother and father were up to instead of what I'm up to.
And maybe you could go back to The View.
And I said, sorry, that was a low blow.
And And then, uh, and then, uh, Victor Davis Hansen, I had to methodically go through his arguments.
And I'd finished going through his arguments.
I was looking for a link and I found a blogger who had ripped Hansen a new one, saying that he was, uh, nitpicking the bark off trees with his arguments.
They were disingenuous, they were inaccurate.
And, and, uh, and so I went through it.
You know, like Hansen challenged the 15,000.
But I had references to the original.
Articles talking about how many were left behind, not just Dinah West's book.
And then he said, and then I said, I, I said, um, I said, you could make the argument that if, if, if we had chosen a difference alliance, which by the way, Hitler tried to form an alliance with, with England before the war started.
I can tell you more about this, Dave, in a moment.
Right.
So the gist is there were shifting alliances all over the place.
So who aligned, allied with whom was, was really up in the air for, for a number of years.
And it turns out Churchill, who Churchill's a very complex character.
He's not just a sweetheart.
Not that he's as bad as some people say, but, but he's complicated.
He in 1935 said, it looks like we're going to have to pick a fight with Germany, right?
You could make the argument.
That's not a, that's not a, that's not a good piece of history right there.
Um, so Hansen and I said, said maybe there wouldn't have been a Holocaust, right?
So Hansen ripped me for that, saying he'd already started doing this and this and this, but he ignored these shifting alliances.
And he ignored the fact that if, as I said, you control your allies better than you control your enemy.
And so, so if, if we had allied with Hitler, would he have run concentration camps?
Would he, right?
The various things like that.
And, and, and I, and I said, but by the way, you know, that didn't work with Stalin except for the fact that he controlled us.
So in a sense, it worked perfectly.
He controlled his allies.
And, and so, uh, and so then, uh, there was another point that he made that was just total.
Oh, and, and he said, he said it's preposterous to say there might not be a, there might not have been a Holocaust.
He says, preposterous.
I go, it's a counterfactual.
It's like, you know, butterfly flapping its wings, hurricane on the other side of the world stuff.
I said, historians have talked about the role of chaos theory in history.
And I said, this is not a flappy winged butterfly we're talking about.
We're talking about a total shift in alliances.
You can't say what would have happened.
Therefore, you can't say it's preposterous to suppose that maybe there would have been a Holocaust.
And to say maybe there wouldn't have been a Holocaust is not exactly anti Semitic.
So Tucker countered hard on these guys, a couple of these guys.
Fast.
And then finally, Morty Klein, who's head of the JNS, which is some Jewish national something or other, which is JNS.
I've seen pictures of him with Trump and stuff.
He's big, big, big in the Zionist world.
He called me a Holocaust denying Nazi.
And I said, Morty, I said, whoa, somebody needs a nap.
And then I said, maybe you need to take up a hobby, Morty.
And I said, something like Bukaki, like Harvey Weinstein.
Right.
And then I said, and I said, and we could get together and have lunch and talk about our differences or alternatively.
And then I found this great meme that looks like a Metro Goldwyn Mayer, you know, entry, opening of a movie that says, go fuck yourself.
And, uh, well done.
You didn't say.
I also referred to him as a pig fucker.
And how did you respond to that?
Well, I didn't get a response, but, uh, to call me a Holocaust denying Nazi really was way over the top.
But I kept seeing.
Cruz and Levin and these guys talking, they kept referring to people supporting Hitler and they're talking about me.
When you hear that, when they say people supporting Hitler, they're talking about me.
Okay.
Well, do you feel that Tucker is happy with you?
Does he feel he bought it?
I think so.
Yeah, he wanted it.
No, no, but here's the other thing Tucker was just at the beginning of his World War III battle against.
Against the Zionists.
I didn't even know that.
I would have been much more careful, but he'd had Dave Smith on his show.
Yeah.
So he had caused him, he had Daryl Cooper on his show.
Yeah.
So he had stirred the pot a little, but the real shit was coming after me when he went to TPUSA and ripped into Shapiro and ripped it and Shapiro ripped into Kelly.
And I had no idea I was like in the first inning of a nine inning battle.
Well, That is really, that is a really good story.
I'm glad you told me that.
And now, as a treat for you, Dave, in return, I'm going to tell you about a book that you, and I won't go on about it too much because lots of people that listen to the pod have heard about this already or read the book even.
But there is a book that you are going to enjoy as much as the ones about Stalin.
Okay.
And it is a book called Two World Wars and Hitler.
Who was responsible?
You can probably Google it and see what the names of the authors are.
I keep looking.
I've got it on Amazon right now.
You're going to love it.
Basically, you have your doubts about the origins of the first world war.
And you're right.
It wasn't because, uh, a Serbian student called Gavrilo Princip shot, shot the archduke, Duke Ferdinand and his wife, thus plummeting the world into a war which no one could have foreseen.
Uh, and, and men with nasty spikes on their helmets rushed across the Belgian, Belgian border.
Who are the baddies?
Who are the baddies?
And they raped nuns and, and, and impaled Babies on their bennets.
No, that is history, as you know, is written by the victors.
And it was actually.
Which, by the way, a phrase I used when I attacked Victor Davis Hansen I said, that's not a capital V, Victor.
You will learn from this book that it doesn't, I don't think it mentions Victor Davis Hansen, but he's of a type.
Victor Davis Hansen, who I used to admire greatly, by the way, I read his book, Carnage and Culture, about the history of war and about how free nations will always beat sort of slave empires, which is why the Spark.
Well, people told me Victor was wrong.
He said he didn't change, he said you had misjudged him.
Yeah, that's probably right.
So, Dave, he is what is known in the trade as a court historian.
And there was a fascinating section in this book that, okay, very briefly, both the First and the Second World Wars were planned and executed by Anglo American elites.
An organization called the Milner Group, a mixture of financiers like whatever his name, Rothschild.
But one of the Rothschilds, whichever the Rothschilds.
I read a book, I read Neil Ferguson's book on the Rothschilds, which I think was also a court historian.
That was Neil, Neil, you don't get to write the authorized biography of the Rothschild family and not be a court historian.
I mean, it doesn't get any more court than that.
So, so yeah, so I think he's called, was he called Leopold Rothschild or anyway, the editor of the Times, a London newspaper, um, the Winston Churchill, uh, Lord Balfour, Lord Grey, all these, Whigs and Tories, they were all in on it.
The Yale elite, all the kind of daughters of the revolution families, they were all in on it.
Um, and they started the First World War in order with two purposes to destroy, number one, the German land empire.
And number two, Germany knew that.
Germany knew that.
The Kaiser was going, I don't want to fight you.
I just want peace.
And they were going, Yeah, but you're evil.
And all these stories about the evil Kaiser.
Germany had to fight while they still had a prayer of beating them.
Exactly.
That's why Germany appeared to be the aggressors because they said, if we wait, we won't be able to beat them.
Exactly.
And Europe's Last Summer is a very good book.
Europe's Last Summer.
Okay.
Is it?
It's a very good book.
I asked Ben Steele, who wrote Battle of Bretton Woods, which honorifically I copy edited for him.
And I think I'm in the forward.
I listened to the audio version after I read the chapters.
I just went to the audio version to do a redo on it.
But he.
He, he, I asked him, said, give me a book on World War I.
And that's the book he gave me Europe's Last Summer.
Hold on, Europe's Last Summer.
And the author is?
Oh, shit.
No, okay.
Oh, shit.
Is that a German name?
Yeah, Scheit.
Scheit.
Hold on, I'll get it for you.
Anyway, but let me tell you there's a spoiler I'm about to give you, but you're going to love this after what you were saying earlier on.
Can you listen and research?
I'm listening, yes.
I'm absolutely listening.
Okay.
So get this Hitler.
David Frumpkin.
David Frumpkin.
Frumpkin, okay.
Hitler was very likely working for MI6 and he was recruited.
He was recruited by, I mean, Anglo-American intelligence were joined at the hip even then.
And they were working for the elites rather than for the countries they supposedly represented.
Hitler was headhunted, talent spotted and then groomed by a guy called Putzi Heimstangle and Putzi Heimstangle was half American and half German.
And the German part of him was from a, I think he may have even been von Heinstein, or he was, you know, an aristocratic German family.
His mother was one of the daughters of the revolution family with connections with Yale.
So he spent three years at Yale, where he was presumably an oarsman and stuff, and he was in Skull and Bones, I'm pretty sure.
I was going to say, yeah.
Duh, duh, duh.
He then.
Is that true?
Right.
Duh.
So, okay.
So if you're an aristocratic, half German, half upper crust American, um, would you go to Germany, do you think, in the 1930s and befriend this impoverished, impoverished, failed painter who's just had this kind of, I, I, actually, this was before the Munich, the, the Beergarten, the Munich putsch and thing.
Um, would you go and hang out with this guy?
And unlikely camaraderie, right?
Become his best friend.
Why would you do that?
There was no possible explanation.
I mean, you imagine you're, you are upper crust.
You don't go and hang out with this guy.
So he goes and becomes Hitler's best, young Hitler's best friend.
And he says, yeah, you could do this.
And he's, uh, Putzi is a brilliant pianist, right?
He's, he's, I mean, he's been trained by his nanny, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's a great concert pianist and he writes some of the marching songs used by the SA.
Really?
At the early rallies, yes.
And he says, you know, and, and Hitler, when you're making speeches, you do this, move your hands, move your body, gesticulate.
He choreographed.
He choreographed.
So, so, and, and I don't think that with this information, you can poo-poo the possibility of the notion that maybe Hitler was run by the Americans and the British precisely in order to bring Germany to war.
Because as you say, Hitler, I mean, his favourite movie was Lives of the Bengal Lancers with Douglas Fairbanks Jr., I think.
He loved the British.
He loved the British Empire.
He wanted nothing more than the British Empire to thrive.
He just wanted a kind of German land empire and to destroy the communists.
And Hitler was really, really taken aback when suddenly in 1939, instead of going, yeah, yeah, it's fine if you go into Poland, we won't interfere, suddenly he was told, What do you just, this is war.
He was like, what?
Saddam Hussein.
You used the same playbook.
I know.
We gave the nod to Saddam to go into Kuwait.
You did.
Or Madeleine Albright did, yeah?
Well, so the one argument against that model so apparently we basically gave the nod, we told Saddam that what your relationship with Kuwait is none of our business.
Which is a way of saying do whatever you want with Kuwait.
The claim, Scott Horton claims that, that, that, that there was sort of missteps at our State Department and that we didn't intend to give the clearance to mow Kuwait down.
I don't believe it, actually.
I think this is one place.
Well, Scott's brilliant.
So, so for me to say I don't think Scott got that one right is ridiculous.
But I, I still find it a little odd that Scott defends that as a State Department misstep as opposed to as teeing up Saddam to attack him.
It's always deliberate.
All the kind of evil moves are always, they're never accidental.
By the way, sorry, just changing the subject dramatically for a moment.
Although I think everything connects.
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Um, have you been watching this fantastical space endeavor with, with your heart swelling with pride at America's, I keep picking up shards of information of people suggesting that it's not even real and things like that.
I, I just don't know.
I, I haven't put, I haven't burned a lot of ATP in my brain to.
To try to understand that one.
Well, do you remember how last time we spoke, you mentioned it at the beginning, how you weren't really up to speed on Israel and stuff?
That was me ducking.
That was me taking cover.
As you were heading into the anti Zionism world, I was ducking and covering.
I'm really sorry.
I don't like getting people in trouble.
The last thing I want to do is get my guests in trouble.
I want to make them comfortable and happy.
I can do it myself, actually.
If you don't want to go into the moon, well, No, go ahead.
Go ahead.
So the thing is, once you know about the moon landings and the purpose of NASA and stuff, you can never go back.
You can never.
The purpose of NASA must have been just flat out, you know, military, right?
No, it's a black budget project designed to amass money.
Suck money.
$24 billion a year, I think, something like that.
Okay.
Down the Swanee, up the Swanee.
Although I don't know whose pockets it goes into.
But you see, the thing is, not only do they do this stuff to divide us, you know, because obviously a significant portion of those who are awake are looking at this stuff going, and the other half of the world is going, but it's real.
How can you mock America's greatest achievement?
These heroes are going to space and it's some good news in a world of bad news.
So it's part of the divide and rule technique, which the elites have always used against the spies.
Bread and circuses.
Partly it's a black budget, but also on an occult level, and you know these people are really into the occult at the highest levels.
Which I've been studying that stuff for three or four years now without writing anything.
It's weird, isn't it?
It's very weird.
It's super dark, weird.
So you, you will, you will probably come across the notion that part of the, part of the kind of the karma of, of, of the occult, well, I mean, it's Luciferian religion, I suppose, that these people follow.
Um, they are absolved of their sins by their lights if they show us what they're doing.
So if they, that's such an odd phenomenon.
They have to, they have to, they have to tip their hands.
It's the rule.
That's part of the rule.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, this thing, right?
I don't know who made this rule.
Did you say?
There was a video of.
I love, you know, the whatever.
What's the Trump son called?
Donald.
Is it.
Eric Trump.
Eric Trump.
There's footage, I think, of him at either the inauguration or some similar event where he's doing this all the time.
And his wife says, stop.
And you can see him whispering here, stop doing that stupid thing.
And he goes, oh, like, was it really obvious?
They have to show you.
So, in the same way, when they do all these kind of stunts, did you see the blue, the Katy Perry rocket expedition?
There's a bunch of Katy Perry.
Yes, I saw that.
And Katy Perry herself is.
What was it called?
Blue Horizon or Blue Dildo?
Blue Dildo.
You see, the thing was, they designed the rocket to look like a dildo with these two kind of.
Testicles on the side.
It was, it was, it was so obviously fake.
Um, and yet most people believed it.
And, and now you've got these stunts like you've got a, you've got a, the latest footage they released is, is of a, a tub of Nutella going through in, in, in zero gravity past these, these astronauts in their pretend studio space, space, um, camera.
And there's another story that one of the crew, Has decided to name one of the craters on the other side of the moon.
He's going to call it Carol after his beloved wife.
And do you know how Carol is spelled?
No.
C A R R O L L.
So, not the conventional name of Carol.
It's quite an unusual spelling.
Do you know who else was called Carol?
No.
Quigley?
Oh, good point.
But no, I'm thinking more of a children's author from the.
Oh, yeah, And what happens in this book?
Alice in Wonderland.
Where does Alice go?
Down a rabbit hole.
She goes down the rabbit hole.
So, they're giving you these clues, which are for.
It's an inside joke.
The Carol Spelling Mystery00:06:58
They show you these things.
And it's also a kind of mocking.
They must laugh their asses off while they're doing it, too.
Wouldn't you love to be the scriptwriter for these people?
It's like.
Oh, the one I like the best, and I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I just laugh every time I think about it was when they supposedly killed Epstein.
Yes.
And the corpse that they hauled out of there did not look like Epstein.
And people focus on the ear being wrong, but it turns out the nose was wrong.
Epstein had a perfectly straight nose, and the corpse had a little bit of a hook on it.
And they were not the same nose, right?
And there were problems with the photographs, like that doesn't really look like where he came from, you know, that sort of thing.
There was a bunch of cues, but there was one guy who did look like the corpse, and he had died two weeks earlier.
And they show a picture of him sitting in a baseball game with a Mets hat on.
You go, Yeah, that could be the guy.
And he had died with little fanfare.
And they didn't explain how he died.
And I'm going, Yeah, they could have knocked him off, grabbed some photos, and we'll use those later.
What's great about it is, it was Hillary's brother.
Really?
Yes.
And I'm sitting there going, so you're some deep state guy and you spot this similarity.
You go, oh, we have got to do that.
We have got, we're going to be the, the, the, the Langley boys are, we are going to be on the wall of fame at Langley if we pull this one off, right?
I didn't even know she had a brother.
Yeah.
Well, she did.
She did.
Yeah.
And, and there was a question as to whether it was, uh, whether it was, uh, um, To send Hillary a message or whether we're just spooks having fun.
I don't know.
They are, but to be fair, they are all related.
A lot of, I mean, not literally everybody, but a lot of these players in Hollywood, in politics, and so on.
Well, Hollywood is so corrupt to the core, it's insane.
The Clinton crime family is rather extraordinary.
And I don't know if that crime family has roots that predate the Clintons or whether the Clintons created that crime family.
I know that they were tied with.
Bad people when he was young.
So they didn't create that part.
So the old Mina, Arkansas, and the heroin trade and all that shit, that's all real in my opinion.
And heaven only knows what the Clintons are worth if you add up all the Cayman Island accounts and stuff, but undoubtedly vast sums of money.
And we will see Chelsea, aka Webb Hubble's daughter, reappear at some point.
Surely she can't be as evil as.
Oh, surely she could be.
Could she?
Well, think about it.
When you read about Satanic cults, I don't know.
I guess you could.
It's hard to top that one.
But when you read about satanic cults, they feed their own kids into the pedophile networks and into the cults and things like that.
It's so abiological, it makes no sense.
They do.
I've done, when I'm not talking to people like you, Dave, I do actually do.
I mean, whack jobs.
Well, yeah, but you actually, compared with some of the other people I talked to, you're absolutely straight as a die.
You're just like a gnorly, virtually.
So I've done a few podcasts in the realm that you've just described of people sort of involved in the satanic elites.
I've talked to members of bloodline families who.
Like the royal family and the Belgians.
A guy called Reynolds.
You know, Reynolds is one of the.
Have you come across Spring Myers?
I've come across the name.
Yeah.
But just vaguely.
Fritz Springmaier thinks that there are 13 bloodline families.
And they've got names like, well, obviously, Rockefeller and Rothschild.
There's also DuPont.
I mean, obviously.
Collins.
The Collins family own, apparently, the District of Columbia, literally, the whole caboodle.
Reynolds.
What do you think?
You've got Reynolds Tobacco and you've got.
Li, Li, which is the Chinese branch, Kennedy, which raises doubts about the favorable stories about JFK being a hero and bloody, you know, I don't know what to believe there.
Anyway, well, we're talking about a tormented family.
I've been recently digging around trying to figure out why they lobotomized Rosemary Kennedy.
Did they?
Yeah.
The photos of her make her look like a totally normal person.
And they lobotomized her.
And why do they lobotomize her?
She's 23 years old.
That's what I'm digging around trying to understand.
No.
They lobotomized her.
And so you got JFK who dies, RFK who dies, JFK Jr. who dies, Rosemary Kennedy who gets lobotomized.
You got Teddy who's just a loser at this point, but you can't blame him.
So then I was in a doctor's Zoom group that originated from the COVID story when these doctors said, wait a minute, this is all wrong.
So, pretty early on, I got into this twice a week Zoom group.
And we had every famous anti vaxxer on the planet go through the Zoom group at one time or another.
And one of the very first Zoom calls was Bobby Kennedy.
And he jumps right in, right at the beginning, saying, There is not a snowball chance in hell with Sir Han.
Sir Han killed his father.
Not a chance.
He said that you could not have gotten a conviction in a court of law.
He was a total patsy.
And he said, for years, he ignored the data.
And finally, someone said, Bob, you got to look at the data.
Look at the data.
He said, if I finally looked and realized there was not a chance.
And so, none of these assassinations are just crazy people.
No.
None of them.
The lone wolf is a creation of the CIA.
It's a fantasy creation of the CIA.
It's always the CIA.
It's never the lone wolf.
There were no low wage.
Charlie Kirk, there's a great story, right?
And the funny thing with Charlie is once you realize that Tyler Robinson couldn't have possibly been the shooter, it just makes no sense.
There's all these other sort of details about this guy doing hand signals, this guy in the front row possibly shooting him with a palm pistol and all sorts of stuff.
They don't matter to me because those are all just bogeys to confuse us, anyways.
So there's about eight different shooting theories.
Once you convince me Tyler Robinson didn't do it, then you say, okay, it's a state sponsored assassination.
The details don't really matter.
Narrative Browbeats Fall Apart00:02:57
Ah, you haven't been.
I don't want to dwell on this because there could be an element of tension.
It's not going to be an element of tension.
Where I am, he's not dead.
Oh, that could.
I don't know why you would do that, though.
Where would you hide a six foot five inch guy who everyone knows what he looks like?
Let's take a step back.
Once you understand that everything they do is about deception.
It's all fake.
And it's not, this is not a sort of council of despair.
It's not like, how can I trust anything?
It's all, it's all, it's all fake.
Rather, it's, it's like, it's their modus operandi.
So it's, it's not like, it's, it's a bit like discovering that your, your husband has, has, um, has been shagging women, other women on the quiet.
And you've discovered that he's, he's at least five names that he's shagged.
If somebody starts talking to you about that there's a sixth, it's not, You're not being kind of unusually black or bleak or negative.
Paranoid.
Yeah, paranoid.
It's about pattern recognition.
So it's easier for them to fake stuff than it is to kill people.
It's easier for them to manage the narrative.
I actually think that managing the narrative has gotten so professional that they don't need to do a very good job of whatever it is they did.
So I think at one point in time, they.
They used to take great care in doing clever, clever stuff to get away with it.
Nowadays, they're sloppy as shit.
They just make sure the narrative just browbeats.
I'll tell you where I agree with you on that point.
Sorry, I'm going to stop poking with my twiddle device.
I have noticed that they have become much more cavalier, almost to the point where they don't give a shit when we notice anymore.
It's just like, yeah, whatever.
It's almost part of the story of saying, The analogy I draw is Larry Bird, the basketball player.
He used to say to his defender, he was a trash talker.
He would say stuff like, he says, I'm pissed off to his defender.
And the defender would say, Why?
And he said, Because they're guarding me with a white guy, right?
He'd say stuff like that.
And then, but at one point, he'd say to defenders, He'd say, I'm going to break to the right.
I'm going to pull up to a jump shot and you can't stop me.
And then he'd do it and boom, you know, he'd make it.
And he would just blow their circuits.
They'd eventually become broken men.
And, and, So, I think the idea of flaunting it is all part of the hyper normalization.
Yes, end shitification and also the demoralization.
Child Trafficking Scandals00:15:43
That's right.
Like, what can we do?
I mean, without having to look into it, without having looked into it, I do not believe a word of the Downs Flyer rescue story.
It's like, it's already starting to fall apart.
Yeah, it's already starting to fall apart, it turns out.
There was some woman who was involved, and someone said, What was she doing there?
You know, I'm already picking up shards of what the hell was that about.
Well, presumably, they inserted a woman into the script so that in the movie she can be played by, I don't know, who are the women?
Gurney Weaver or something.
Gurney Weaver?
She's a bit old now, isn't she?
Yeah, she's a bit old now.
This is the thing.
Well, Dave, this is a problem I have.
I used to, I was watching, have you seen a movie called The Third Man?
The third man, it's supposed to be one of the greatest films ever made.
It's got Orson Welles in it and stuff.
And I was sitting there, this film was made in, I think, 1948, 40 something, 40, 46.
And I was watching it with my son and I going, I think that, isn't that Wilfred Hyde White?
And, and, and isn't that, um, uh, you know, identifying the actors?
And I realized that I know more about the films of my parents' generation and I didn't, you know, I, I can identify all the actors from the past, but I look at, Stuff that kids are watching now, and I don't know who these people are at all.
I don't really care either.
Well, so I think Hollywood has a specific role.
The CIA has a very big Hollywood budget, and the Chinese have a very big Hollywood budget, too, to make sure.
So when you watch a movie, and all of a sudden China's sort of in the background, oftentimes they're in the background, but they're kind of favorable either as in being particularly incisive, like there was a sci fi movie where these oblong things appeared.
Um, awakenings or something.
I don't know what it was.
And, uh, you're selling it to me, Dave.
Yeah, I know.
Oh, no.
He had butt plugs.
And, um, and, and the Chinese were involved in, in helping save the day, you know, and, but the CIA has a big budget.
I, I think that Hollywood's job, one of their jobs is to what I call fictionalize reality.
So something that's true, they make a movie that, that tells the truth, whether it's eyes wide shut, right?
The satanic cults.
Which was filmed in a Rothschild castle where they were doing satanic shit, right?
And then you got the Born Identity, which is classic MKUltra, right?
And you got the Good Shepherd, which is CIA crap.
And what happens is that you immediately anchor what turns out to be a true story to a fictional narrative.
So that you go, someone will explain MKUltra.
You go, oh, this is Born Identity, which disarms it.
Yes.
Yes, that's true.
It disarms it.
And so Hollywood makes movies that are true to make them seem fictional, which is probably why they made some goddamn movie about faking the moon landing.
What's that movie with Channing Tatum or something?
They did.
They made it with that woman that I used to fancy, you know, actress.
Narrows it down to all the actresses, right?
She was in the movie about Vermeer.
Yeah, I don't know.
But I haven't seen the movie yet.
I forget the name.
But yes, you're absolutely right.
It's about how Hollywood, no one, I can't remember what their pretext is, but they eventually have to fake the moon landings in a studio.
And I haven't dug into the moon landing story.
I would like it to be true.
Sorry, I haven't dug into it.
My brother watched one of the long documentaries on it, and I've seen shards of clips where, like, one of the astronauts in a press conference says, You couldn't see the stars.
I'm going, What?
The star should have been brilliant from the moon, right?
Interesting.
And he sort of recanted on it.
And there's just, there's funny things where it looks like there's duct tape on the lunar module and there's no fumes coming out of the, when it takes off.
And there's just a lot of the flag blowing without wind on the moon and things like that.
So you're there already, really.
Yeah.
Well, I'm kind of there, but there's about a three hour documentary.
My brother watched it and said, very convincing, very convincing.
Yeah.
There's Whacking the Moon Doggy, I think it is.
I don't know.
The thing is, you actually only need, we all have, our brains work in different ways.
I don't know, you being a kind of a sciencey person might be won over by the science arguments against, like the Van Allen belt, the fact that this huge.
I don't know enough about that to be won over.
Belt of radiation, so radioactive that you'd need to be, the spaceship wouldn't have to be made of kind of tin foil.
It'd have to be made of lead, about sort of, Six inches thick to protect the crew, which I didn't believe it was.
The thing that turned me into a.
And then who starred in Apollo 13, right?
Who was the star?
Tom Hanks.
Oh, yeah, I know.
I've interviewed Tom Hanks and I now feel.
You interviewed Tom Hanks?
I feel tainted by the experience.
I wonder whether he's kind of dumb.
Oh, the stories, the pedo hunters chase Tom Hanks more than anybody.
He is.
Tom Hanks and Oprah get pounded by what I call the pedo hunters, the guys who like Liz Crockett and Mike Smith and these guys who are out there banging the drums saying the world's filled with pedophiles and we got to get them.
Tom Hanks is in their sights nonstop.
I thought he'd sort of retreated to somewhere.
He was in hiding or somewhere.
He's not around at that point.
Oh, he could be.
I don't know.
At some point, something happened where he went public with something, and all of a sudden there were like 30,000 comments accusing him of being a pedophile.
So he has to keep a low profile.
There was something.
Yeah, there's some really creepy stuff about Tom Hanks.
Did you ever see?
I haven't seen it.
There was a film where he gets marooned on a desert island.
Yeah.
Castaway.
And he makes friends with this thing on a stick.
Yeah, the beach ball.
The volleyball.
Apparently, the beach ball is a satanic child abuse symbol type thing.
And you can see it on t shirts and Ellen DeGeneres and all sorts of people in Hollywood.
That beach ball image keeps showing up, yes.
So, did you know that if you have in your house, like, Oh, Alexis.
African voodoo dolls or things like that.
You have to be very careful what you allow into your house because they are demonic portals.
And I have a copy of the Apollo 13 preview program thing signed by Tom Hanks.
And I'm thinking, well, so when I was a journalist, I used to do celebrity interviews.
And I'm thinking, I must find this thing and destroy it because I don't want that demonic portal.
In my house.
So the Hanks thing, the interesting thing about Hanks, so Hanks, there's a video of him in which he looks like a spoof of the child beauty pageant, the five year old beauty pageant, which looks creepy, but it looks like it also could be a spoof.
So it doesn't mean it.
So I really watch for what's it really mean, what's the source, things like that.
You got to be very, very careful.
And then There, there's pictures of Tom Hanks with Oprah in which Tom's holding up a sign that says, I'm not allowed to talk and just weird stuff like that.
There's, Oprah's filmed repeatedly with this guy named Father of John of God, Father of God.
John of God.
John of God.
Yeah.
And he's like doing five life sentences for, you know, sex trafficking.
And, and, and, and, but, but, you know, you can say, well, you know, Oprah knows everybody.
So what does that mean?
Well, there's a lot of photos of her with, with, with John of God.
And then, but there's this one, one that's pretty incriminating where Hanks, Hanks posts a tweet and I went and found it.
So it really was a tweet, not a Photoshop of a tweet.
In which there's a glove on the sidewalk, and next to it says SRC USA.
And he one time was on Jimmy Kimmel, who also has a bad reputation.
And he's talking about this odd photographic fetish of his where he likes to take pictures of things.
And he mentioned the glove and wondered where the other glove is.
And so this SRC USA.
And, and I found the tweet and it was real.
And, and, and then I'm watching this video.
And when you watch videos on this satanic shit, they're, it's not CNN, right?
You're, you're at weird websites, you're at strange places.
Some guy named, you know, Mouthy Buddha, you know, made this thing, does very good documentaries, actually.
And, and, and they said if you, if you search SRC USA on Google, you get nothing.
On DuckDuckGo, you get nothing.
You go to Yandex.
And you get to a child trafficking site.
So I did it.
Now, if you go to Yandex, which is Russia's Google, basically.
Now, it's not to say that Yandex doesn't have propaganda, but what it doesn't do is filter out the stuff we filter out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
So it, it doesn't, it doesn't care if we look bad.
And so, uh, so you go to Yandex and, and what, what I found was just mug shots of children.
And they weren't cute kids.
They were mugshots.
They were the kind where, you know, the kind you see where you go, oh my God, that kid didn't survive, sort of mugshot.
And then at one point I found someone else had done a screen grab and I said, you know, I got to go get my own screen grab so I can be legitimate about it.
And so I went back and it was all scrubbed.
It had all been scrubbed.
And if you go SRC USA now, you just find garbage.
It doesn't actually even make any sense, garbage.
So, how did they scrub it in that short time?
How did they?
Oh, I think they're pretty good at scrubbing away.
And you find traces of kids.
Like, so if you look at, you know, I could do it right now.
If you go to, can you do it and share it?
Can you go to Yandex?
Dave, I have a word brain, not a kind of tech brain.
Right.
So, if I go to Yandex and I search SRCUSA, I'm actually not very good either.
I confirm I'm not a robot.
I love telling a robot I'm not a robot.
Yeah.
And then going to images.
And what you see, well, there's a picture of Tom Hanks, but there's a whole bunch of SRC stuff that's just random crap that doesn't go anywhere.
There's another picture of Hanks.
And then every once in a while, you'll see a kid picture that really doesn't look good, but it's pretty much scrubbed.
But the screen grab that I saved from someone else was spot on the same one I saw, really.
And it was just kid after kid after kid mugshot, you know, five year old kids.
And, um, What do you think it was doing?
You're showing the ones that.
I think it was child trafficking.
I think it was child trafficking.
Oh, I see.
I think it was basically a.
There's a Wayfair scandal image.
You know the Wayfair scandal?
No.
So Wayfair is this online shopping thing.
And there was a scandal where there were cabinets that look like they cost maybe $500 for $15,000.
And it had names and pictures of a kid associated with it.
And these kids were, the claims were these kids were known missing kids.
And then it turns out the CEO of Wayfair, in the most amazing things, sort of made a public statement about how they were not trafficking kids.
I'm going, okay.
He wasn't trafficking kids.
Right.
And then it turns out what does he do?
He ran some organization of orphans and the usual thing where you want to find pedophiles.
What you do is you find.
Any organization whose, whose purpose is to protect children.
We have a site somewhere over here.
That's where you find the pedophiles.
So you look at the guys who are running the pedophile site, the, the anti pedophile sites, and, and you go, those are the pedophiles.
Yeah.
And so they've commandeered.
So they, they never catch the consumer.
They never catch it.
There's a picture of Melinda Jenner's in here.
There's, but, but SRCSA just became junk.
There's a picture of Tony Podesta, the Podestas.
There's a pair.
Well, I, I know.
I mean, this, this is, Get off by the Podestas or the Clintons' territory.
I mean, they.
Have you heard the audio where Tony Podesta's screaming at a kid?
No.
It's horrifying.
So you can hear this guy screaming, going, What's my name?
What's really horrible?
And there's very little video associated with it.
It's really chaotic.
But you can hear the guy going, What's my name?
What's my name?
And the kid's screaming and crying and stuff.
And then afterwards, they say they played a picture of.
A video of Tony Podesta being pestered by a paparazzi, and he yells at them.
They go and they do a voice comparison with digital shit, but you listen to it and you go, that is the same guy.
And so I think the Podestas really are dirty beyond comprehension.
If they wanted to bring these people to book, they could have done it long ago.
And the fact that they haven't means that they're all in on it.
Well, it's like Epstein files, right?
We got nothing.
You mentioned.
Eyes wide shut.
Are you familiar with the Bob Hope mask?
Tell me about it.
One of the.
Bob Hope, by the way, was accused by some of the survivors of being a big problem.
Well, I think this will confirm what you've heard.
In the Eyes Wide Shut scene, if you put it on a still, the one at the end where they're all wearing these robes and they've got these masks on.
And there's one mask which looks exactly like Bob Hope with his funny little sort of bobbly nose.
Kubrick Masks and Satanic Eyes00:03:41
Oh, okay.
I haven't seen that.
Kubrick.
Inserted that because Bob Hope was one of the worst, the very worst pedophiles.
Ah, which is probably why he lived to 100.
He supposedly died three weeks after that movie was released in an uncut form.
And then the uncut form disappeared.
Sorry, Kubrick died.
Kubrick died three weeks after he released it.
I've seen one of the cuts, and that freaked me out.
I mean, there's all sorts of horrible things.
It is obviously a revelation of the method.
And you got Anne Hesch, who's supposed to be making a documentary on trafficking, and she burned in a flaming car crash.
Was she not the girlfriend of Pizzagate?
Well, you know, that lesbian chat show host.
No, I think that's Porsche.
Maybe, I don't know.
But so Ann Hesch was going to make a pedophile documentary.
She's supposedly burning a flaming car crash.
There's a drone shot of them wheeling her out in a gurney covered, dead, a carcass, right?
And she sits up.
She doesn't want to be deaded.
She doesn't want to be deaded.
And her hair is not singed.
Her clothes are not singed.
And they push her back down and cover and jam her in the back of the thing.
Now, what's interesting is earlier that day, someone had filmed her driving around.
And it was the same shirt, right?
So it correlated with previous videos.
And so it's conceivable you and I are just getting as duped as anyone, just at a higher level.
It's conceivable.
But I think you start to get quite good at what I call pattern recognition that you see how they operate.
And you get quite good at sort of, yeah, filtering out stuff that makes necessary sense.
Well, but the covering the eye, the satanic symbolism of the eye cover, you see someone doing that.
They're in the satanic world.
Well, except that, of course, there will be on the internet images of me doing that and you doing that.
There are now.
There are now.
I've done it with my brother.
I've done this one and this one.
I can't even tell you for my sake.
You know, John Paul II, the hero pope that we were invited to believe was, oh, yeah, he was solidarity from Poland and he was great.
That is the owl symbol.
The owl is the symbol of, well, I mean, occult evil, basically.
The Pope.
And how about the snake room at the Vatican?
The audience hall, the Vatican audience hall.
So if you guys are listening, just search Vatican snake room and you will see this 20,000 seat auditorium that is a viper.
It is a vital.
They had no idea.
When they would, the guy was just trying to design an auditorium.
It was entirely bad luck that the windows were placed in such a way as to look like.
There's tea.
There's tea.
That was the struts, the pillars.
I think you've been deranged, but you've spent too long down.
Do you get, you must be a kind of magnet for a certain kind of, do you only see undergraduates and graduates that you're teaching, or do you?
Do you even teach students anymore?
Vatican Snake Room Auditorium00:06:31
I do.
I do.
And once in a while, I'll throw something at them just to bait them.
Well, I'll say, like, the vaccine kills more people than COVID.
And how do they cope?
They freak out.
I said, here's the deal.
I've dug into this.
I've spent many, many, many hundreds, if not thousands, of hours reading about this.
I was in a Zoom group.
By the way, Archbishop Carlo Vagano went to our Zoom group and he started right in on all the pedophiles running European countries.
Right away, just dove right in.
That's a long list.
Are there any European countries?
It means all of them.
All of them, yeah.
Well, you know that Macron's wife being a dude.
It's his dad.
It's his dad.
That's exactly.
Well, I don't know if that's true or not because Candace has been pretty quiet about that lately.
And I don't know if she's pulling back on that part of the story, but that's a funny one.
When I tell people that, often they go and they start trying to think about how can you be married to your dad?
You go, well, let's start out with a 39 year old dating a 14 year old who turns out to be not a chick.
You're not that far away from him being the dad.
It's almost too much.
I can see why, if I were Candace, why I might be rowing back on that story.
It's not that it's not true.
It's just that it's so absurd that it just kind of.
Well, one DNA test would tell the whole story.
Yeah, yeah, that's going to happen.
How does a waiter or waitress not grab the glasses from some dinner table at some function?
And they sued Candace.
So, you know, if I'm a judge, you're not getting anywhere in that courtroom without a DNA test.
Thing is, You've seen enough conspiracy thrillers to know that if everyone's in one.
What did you do to your finger, by the way?
Keep looking at you.
It's what's known as an honourable injury.
I was hunting, fox hunting, and I broke my finger on the neck strap of my horse.
He was pulling so hard.
He was an ex racehorse and he had no bit.
I don't know whether you know about it.
You sound like you come from British elite.
You got cash.
I totally am.
Listen, listen, listen, Dave.
I'm, if, if, if you can hear the contempt in my voice for you, it's because I am, I'm a lowlife.
I'm, yeah, you're lowlife.
I'm the elite classes.
I was, I was.
That's a scary thought.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
And I love, do you know what?
I'm toying with you.
I'm, I'm, I have, I've inserted myself into the awake movement.
And, uh, yeah, it's true.
I think, I think one of the, I mean, I sometimes joke about this.
I think that God was having a laugh, that he inserted me into this elite background.
Like I went to Oxford and stuff and did all this, friends of future prime ministers.
And so I experienced all this stuff.
You and Jimmy Saville, right?
Jimmy Saville was my friend.
No, I never got to meet Jimmy Saville.
But basically, these people were my friends.
Are any of the royals not dirty as shit?
No, I don't think so.
I don't think so.
But the thing is, here's the thing, Dave.
I am friendly or was friendly with King Charles's stepson.
So, you know, King Charles is the queen.
Her son, I know him pretty well.
Lovely guy.
Absolutely funny, funky guy.
But she was more of a commoner than, right?
Well, yeah, but I don't think you get to call the king your stepdad without kind of.
Being slightly in on the gallery.
But I mean, other people, like, I don't know.
It's very, and I often wonder about this, the people I've been fox hunting with, for example.
I mean, they're not all, some of them are farmers and some of them are nurses and some of them are ordinary folk like me.
But some of them have got to be, they've got to be toffs.
They've got to be bloodlines.
And I'm always babbling this conspiracy, my conspiracy shit when I go hunting.
I talk to them about God and I talk to them about conspiracy theories.
So when I, when I talked to Tucker after we were done, and I wouldn't say this, but he had, he kind of went a little public on it later, but I somehow threw out a little tiny pitch about satanic cults and he bit and he went wild on it as it like made me look like a normie.
Did he?
He made, yeah.
And he's going, and they're everywhere, and this and that, you know, and then I go, you know, and he says, and I know these people.
And three times during this discussion, while his staff is in there riveted, because I don't think they knew this.
Whoa.
And they're riveted, and three times he said to his staff, we're not recording, are we?
Yeah.
And so then he had a guy who was a Hollywood, who wrote a book on Hollywood.
Cults.
He was the son of a famous actor.
I can't remember his name.
On a show, but they didn't get deep into it.
They stayed really very superficial to the point where I was like, wait a minute.
You could have gone much deeper.
And I think there's times he doesn't want to go deeper.
I threw pitches at him during my interview that went right by him.
I think that's why he's not going to have me on his show, even though I've expressed my love for him on this podcast, even though Tucker, I know you're CIA, but I still love you and I want to be on your show.
He won't listen to my entreaty.
Well, so I asked him, Were you offered a position in the Trump administration?
And he said, No, but he said, But I could have had one.
And I said, What one would you have wanted?
And he said, I'd like to run the CIA.
I've told no one that story.
Beef Jerky and CIA Dreams00:12:58
You're it.
That's the first I've ever met.
That's why I went uncharacteristically silent.
There was a pregnant pause there, yeah.
There really was.
And you don't often get pregnant pauses from me.
That is.
No, no, I don't shut up either.
No, exactly.
Well, I think that's why we get on.
We're both.
Right.
Are you.
Do you feel that you're on the spectrum or something or what?
No.
No, I don't feel that.
If I was on the spectrum, college would have been easier.
Yeah, no, I have to work really hard.
My children are telling me on the spectrum all the time, but that's only because everyone is trying to over diagnose every condition.
I think I'm completely normal.
Someone said we didn't have ADHD when we were kids.
They were just assholes.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's, you know, when you asked me earlier on what my condition was that made me skinny as like the Belson thing, I don't even believe in autoimmune, it's just another invented thing.
I think ultimately.
Everything comes down to vaccines.
We are.
Well, did you get vaxxed?
What?
Did you get vaxxed?
What?
The COVID thing?
No.
I was.
I woke up.
I had to either do that or give up my job.
And did you suffer from it?
Hard to say.
I didn't suffer badly from it.
I also had no immediate effect or anything, whereas my research group went together to get the first jab and they're all bedridden the next day.
And I got to figure that's not a good sign.
They got the bad batch.
Maybe you.
You were lucky you didn't get it.
Yeah.
And so I do have some psoriasis and my knees hurt, but I'm also overweight.
And so, um, and so, you know, Dave, I've got terrible psoriasis at the moment.
And it's not, it's not from, it's really annoying me, actually.
I, I, yeah.
I just wanted to come back to your point about, um, your, you get exposed to generation, whatever they are.
What are they called?
Yeah, right.
I don't know.
Generation.
Who knows?
Are they a bunch of, Panty waists.
They're getting better.
Are they?
So, here are the two things I think are changing.
Last year in my sophomore class, I had 25 kids and they were all the shy kid phenotype.
So, they were, it's like, how do you have 25 shy kids in one class?
Especially in a school where, you know, to get into the school, you not only have to have good grades, but you have to be editor in chief of your yearbook or something, captain of the football team.
They're just, Various things that we're looking for that show that you're special.
And they have 25 shy kids just to make sense.
And the whole class was just dead, just dead.
And, um, and, uh, this year it's much better.
Now, I think there's two potential reasons.
One is what I've been told, and I actually spoke to the principal of our local high school about it recently, and he concurred.
Um, the, the whole woke shit's moving past.
And so now being a transgender is not cool.
It's not something that makes you special.
You're just a dipshit.
And so the kids are not gravitating to that to be special anymore.
And the kids who are not transgender are not kowtowing to them and stuff like that.
And then the other thing is we've gotten, again, a year further away from the lockdown, which the first thing I noticed with the lockdown is that the kids.
The kids arrived on campus.
They were fatter than shit.
Now I don't notice if the guys were fatter than shit because that's not who I was looking at.
But, but, but the chicks were fatter than shit.
And now they look great again.
So I think they've lost their COVID-15.
That is, that is very good to, good to hear.
I, I, I do think that it's, it's, I think when you look into things like satanic elites and stuff, what you realize is that these people hate human beings and they're waging war on all the things that, that are beautiful about us.
And so inevitably when they make girls overweight, for example, they're, they're, they're making them unattractive, which means that they're less likely to find sexual partners and, and, and settle down with, It's a war on us.
So I'm glad that the girls are becoming normal again and the boys are becoming a bit more like boys, maybe.
But what you know, and but you know, if someone jumps into this video and hasn't been down this rabbit hole at all, they're fried now, right?
They're completely, they've either stopped listening because they think we're completely psychotic or they're circuit.
I did a podcast with a guy who had not been down this rabbit hole.
And by the end of the podcast, I dragged him down there.
And then six months later, I did a podcast.
He was a completely different person.
He had gone.
A guy named J.J. Carroll, who was a border guard, started out his public life talking about the southern border and how the people were getting across and what it was like rounding up people, stuff like that.
And within six months, he was New World Order, you know, everything.
And I did a couple of podcasts with him.
And then I was talking to a guy named Ryan Mata, who makes documentaries.
And it was really interesting because he knew.
JJ and, and I said, what's amazing about JJ is the speed with which he transformed from just being a border guard screaming about how the southern border got perforated to New World Order.
He was interviewing survivors of satanic cults and shit.
I mean, he was really, and, and Mata was just, he says, that's, oh my God, that's absolutely true.
He, he just, he, he just morphed right in front of our eyes, right?
And so, so you go down one of these rabbit holes, you can really, really change quickly.
When you start discovering, there's an entire ecosystem below the surface.
I think that it's once you've.
I think if you're remotely sentient and have reasonably functioning synapses, once you are given permission to look for the truth, once all the kind of barriers to discovery are taken away, You can pick up very, very quickly stuff,
information that has been denied to you by the system all your life.
It's the pattern recognition, right?
Yeah, it is.
Because everything connects.
And look at all those people out there.
I mean, like you were vaguely receptive to the moon landings being bollocks stuff.
What's keeping people back is not the absurd.
All the information is out there in front of their eyes.
Rockets shaped like dildos with Katy Perry in it.
I mean, that's, it's like absurd.
But they have a kind of limiter switch in their head, which prevents them from making the obvious connection that this is bollocks.
Look at it.
It's a dildo.
But once that limiter switch has been taken out, they can go anywhere.
Yeah.
It's like that boy love symbol that shows up in all the Disney movies and stuff.
And on, on that.
You see it everywhere.
What's that series about the, geeky science kids, the comedy series?
Um, they're all.
See, I don't watch much mainstream TV anymore.
You know the one I mean about?
They're all kind of autistic science students.
No, I wouldn't watch a geeky science kid.
Well, it's comedy, but they've all got.
He wears pedo symbols on his T shirts and on his pajamas.
So Hollywood really is corrupt to the core.
It's almost arguable that you can't succeed in Hollywood without basically doing the blood ritual sort of thing.
You know, rite of passage.
Well, yes, but there was always the Mel Gibson question.
Is Mel one of them or not?
Well, the other thing about Mel is when you watch him, he also looks nuts now.
Right?
He really looks unstable.
They could say that about us, Dave.
No, no, no, no.
But now he sits there and he gets these real bug eyed looks.
He really looks unstable to me.
And it could be he was driven nuts because it's been going on for a long time.
But there also, he did hit dark patches.
There's some things that he did that were a sign that either it had driven him nuts or he was sort of kind of nuts already.
So, Mal has a credibility problem.
I think he's not lying to us, but he's not the best spokesperson.
I'd like to get Denzel Washington drunkard and shit and get him spilling his guts.
I bet he could tell us stories.
Any particular reason why Denzel Washington?
I think he's walked.
From many of those, I think he's been able to duck them.
Really?
That's what my read is that when presented, like goes to a ditty party and then runs out, just gets the fuck out of there ASAP.
He leaves before midnight when it all goes.
That's right.
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
And is critical of them and things like that.
And the irony is actually, Harvey Weinstein might have been one of the only guys who didn't commit a crime.
He should have done.
What he did was potentially disgusting by any standard, but it might have been totally legal.
You've said some controversial things today, Dave, but I think people are going to be.
I've heard other people say that, though.
That's not just my idea.
Look at my Twitter feed someday and look at the bio.
Let me read it to you exactly.
And no one has ever noticed this.
No one has ever noticed my bio on Twitter.
And I've pointed it out.
And, and I write, I change it a little bit.
Complacency bubble believer.
I, by the way, get credit for calling it a complacency bubble.
Conspiracy theory is not in Epstein files.
And then I write, opinions and ideas expressed are not my own.
Very, very good.
Very good.
So, so I find that funnier than shit.
No one's ever said, I didn't even notice that.
No one's congratulating you.
Sounds like your standard disclaimer.
Except if you think about it, you go, opinions and ideas expressed are not my own.
Right?
I was in the Epstein files.
Is that right?
Well, yeah.
I think my kids checked and they discovered one entry, which was basically an advert.
Somebody probably sent him at some stage an email invitation to this debate.
Tell me about beef jerky.
Tell me about beef jerky.
It was about, it was saying, I was selling some beef jerky.
Special, special beef jerky.
Come on.
You're lying your ass off.
No, Dave, it's completely normal.
Beef jerky and pizza.
Great soda.
Wanted to know whether anyone wanted to buy it.
Six to eight ounces refrigerator.
Yeah, yeah.
You read it.
No, I was in some debate about whether President Trump is a good president or not.
And at the time, I thought he was.
And anyway, that was my limited.
Entry into the.
Are you going to find out for sure what beef jerky is, do you think?
Are we ever going to find out for sure?
I think we know.
I think it's just.
I think we know, but we don't know.
You couldn't know in a court of law, no.
It's a known unknown.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, do you want to know any more than that?
I don't want to know that.
No.
The one thing I know is when elites who have enough money to pay for their own personal chef are ranting and raving about beef jerky and grape soda over and over and over, there's something wrong because beef jerky is not.
Is not the foodstuff of billionaires.
Well, why do you think that Bob Hope lives to what was it, 101?
100?
Oh, the whole idea of eternal life, the whole adrenochrome story, the whole I know.
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And who is it?
One of them, Sandra Bullock or someone.
That's a man.
Admitted it on a talk show.
Is that a dude?
Yeah, yeah.
If you look at the early interviews, when he was just sort of emerging onto the scene, It's so obvious that you just go, how could I ever have doubted that the guy was a dude?
God, I always thought she was really hot.
Yeah, I know.
That's how they, that's what they do.
I, I used to fancy.
Did you ever see Pink Flamingos?
What?
Pink Flamingos?
John Waters?
I did, yes.
So, so there's this, well, that's where the, you know, the, the, the, the mother-in-law lived in a crib eating eggs, just would say eggs, babs.
And there's a, there was Divine, who is this bizarro character.
And the whole idea was the two families were vying to be the most grotesque families in the world.
I mean, it was a truly surreal movie.
But there's this one chick who's the most normal looking chick in the whole movie.
And the guy would go to the park and he would flash himself to women in the park.
This guy would flash himself and he'd tie a salami to his dick and flop it out.
And this woman laughs at him and she flops out a breast and flops it back.
And the guy gets frustrated and she does it again.
And then finally she lifts up her skirt and she's a dude.
And I'm sitting there going, the most normal person in the movie was transgender.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, this is how they.
So, so look at.
Have you ever considered how many sort of classic Hollywood films involve men pretending to be women?
So you've got.
You're told that some like it hot.
Oh, I love Chat Lemon and Tony Curtis.
Oh, it's just one of my favorite films.
There's a Tom Hanks TV show, Tom Hanks TV show where he was pretending to be a chick.
He and another guy were two women.
And then there's Tootsie.
With Dustin Hoffman.
So, partly it's humiliation ritual, which they all have to undergo.
But partly it's they like to mess with our notions of gender and of who is fanciful and who isn't.
I mean, for example, who was the one in Barbie, Barbie the movie?
Oh, Gosling?
No.
The guy who played the Barbie.
That's a man.
Probably.
The chick?
Yeah, yeah, the chick.
The chick.
Really?
Yeah, he's got a name that makes you think, that gives you a clue.
Emma Stone?
Is that Emma Stone?
No, Robbie.
Robbie.
Yeah, Robbie.
Her name is Robbie.
Hello, Robbie.
Is that a boy's name?
Margot Robbie.
Well, he's hot too.
He's hot too.
He is kind of hot.
You see, you just don't know.
You see, you may have been, you may have, Relieved, you've given yourself hand relief in your youth over people that never, never even crossed my mind.
Yeah, but you may have done it over boys thinking it was a girl.
Well, that's possible.
That's how they get you, Dave.
It's how they take you down.
Oh boy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I know.
I'm sorry to.
I feel that each podcast we do together.
Hey, I'll tell you what movie you might like Begonia.
You got to write this down, Begonia.
You got to watch the movie Begonia.
It's a cult.
It's a real cult movie.
I'm cult, not in the occult, but rather just one of these ones like Buckaroo Banzai across the fifth dimension sort of movie.
Yeah, Begonia.
It really is funnier than shit.
Is it?
Okay.
It's funny.
It's quirky.
It's weird.
Great twist ending.
Yeah.
I've got to the stage where I find watching mainstream movies so traumatic because I find the emotional manipulation.
I don't like having my feelings.
Damn it, I'm looking at Margot Robbie here, and boy, there are some serious jaw lines in there.
Yeah.
And how's the Adam's apple looking?
Has she had it shaved?
I don't see an Adam's apple.
No, well, they're quite good.
Same with Taylor Swift.
I don't see any Adam's apple, but these can all be Photoshopped, too.
That's the thing.
You just don't know.
Hey, I could even be wrong.
It could even be that these people are actually women.
Imagine how weird that would be.
But I don't think so.
Okay, I'm going to check out Begonia.
Yeah, I was going to say, I can almost only bear to watch European art movies these days.
It looks like Margot Robbie has women's shoulders.
I mean, Big Mike, you've seen Big Mike photographed from the From behind, I mean, those shoulders, they're quarterback shoulders, aren't they?
They're not girly shoulders.
Margot Robbie looks like girl shoulders to me.
Yeah, well, listen, you can still keep cracking one off over Robbie if you want.
Well, here's the interesting question as AI gets better, you're not even going to need porn chicks.
Yeah, you're not going to.
Well, you see, and then here's the question as AI gets better in the porn.
Slips into child porn.
Is that illegal?
Oh, I know.
It's all.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
No.
I once asked a lawyer that question.
But that's how that's all part of our dark overlord's satanic plan.
I mean, that's what they want.
They'll corrupt us any which way.
Right.
I have now, because my wife brought me a cup of tea during that, I am now wriggling around like I need a pee.
So I think we'll bring this chat to an end.
Tell us, Dave, where we can find you.
You put it about, don't you?
You do a lot of podcasts.
Yeah, I do too many.
Let us just say that this one wasn't repetitive of others.
Normally, I don't go this deep into this weird stuff.
It was good we didn't talk about Iran.
You can find me at Twitter at David B. Column.
I write a year in review, which is my top tweet.
I had a funny story this year where my year in reviews over the last 17 years got bound by a gold bug named Bob Moriarty.
And he paid for the editor to straighten them out and get them ready for publication, everything.
I had to write a dean's report.
And I'd wrapped up my research program a year ago on purpose.
And, and I, I was about to say I didn't achieve shit this year.
You know, this was not a big year for me because I've wrapped up my program.
And then I realized I go, you published 17 books.
They averaged about, oh, it's over 4,000 pages that I published this year from these annual reviews that I write.
And I go, I published 17 books this year.
So, so, so, so, you know, that makes Stephen King look like a biker.
It does.
And we know how important publications are.
You can get those at Amazon.
And I'm told by people who've read the 17 that it's actually a good read, even after all these.
The reason he did it, he said he did it because it really chronicles 17 years of history through a lens that no one else is looking through.
Not history, made up shittery.
Made up shittery.
And trying to figure out, you know, so I wrote about Epstein and I wrote about.
Wrote about the Las Vegas shootings and stuff like that.
And you don't necessarily get the truth.
What you do, though, is you find the bullshit and you say, I'm still trying to figure out where Charlie Kirk came from, for example.
So I know that Erica Kirk is MK Alter.
She's got to be MK Alter, right?
She's got to be.
She's got to be.
I think Charlie Kirk was scripted.
I think Charlie Kirk was scripted too because he came out of nowhere.
It doesn't make sense.
I've been watching Candace Owens, who I think is really smart.
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And waiting for her to tell me that because she knew him well.
And I haven't seen it, but someone said, oh no, she has made several allusions to Charlie being scripted.
And I just don't know where those allusions are.
But so Charlie gets pulled out of high school, doesn't go off to college or anything.
And some billionaire takes him under his wing and decides he's going to create an empire.
Yeah, yeah.
From this kid.
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
And I also, I met him once.
I found him, you know, inoffensive.
I thought he was a grifter.
I thought he was a grifter.
Yeah.
But, but, so I was supposed to have dinner with him and Candace.
They were supposed to come to Cornhill and give a talk, and I was scheduled to have dinner, but the talk got canceled for the usual reasons that talks get canceled on campuses.
And so I never got to do it.
I wish I had because I would have loved to have gotten a read on him.
Yeah.
Not knowing at the time that I was getting a read on someone historically interesting.
Dave, I now need that pee.
It's been fantastic talking to you.
I've really enjoyed it.
Can I give you one pearl of wisdom?
Two pearls of wisdom.
One is keep a cup next to your desk and you pee into the cup.
Second pearl of wisdom if you're drinking ginger ale, this is personal experience, do not mix up those two cups.
Thank you, Dave.
It's been a joy as always.
And listen, if we've got any chemistry students, I would say you want to go to your university and have not a shit.