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Because you've got to question everything, haven't you, Iran?
You really do.
All these...
We haven't even started yet, but I'm going to...
All these cherished...
When you were a child, did your father ever point a lamp at you and smack you across the face with his imaginary leather gloves?
Interrogate you?
No.
No.
That's hilarious.
Did he not say sort of we have ways of making you talk?
No, I think that's a European thing.
Oh, is it?
Okay.
Okay.
Right.
Okay.
Well, we have ways of making you talk.
That's hilarious.
This would be like one of those comedy shows in America where they have the pre, the pre, what's it called?
When you have the pre-joke before the opening credits and the pre-roll?
Pre-roll.
This is like the pre-roll.
Welcome.
Welcome to the Delling Pod with me, James Dellingpole.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest.
But before we meet him, I've already met him, but we know who it is.
Let's have a word from one of my sponsors.
Welcome to this special Christmas edition of the Delling Pod, Owen.
Owen Benjamin.
Owen, have you done your kind of because you do Thanksgiving in America, don't you?
You don't really do Christmas.
No, we go big with Christmas.
Now, my kids literally carol with violins and stuff.
It's like, it's like, we go real big with it.
Are you not worried as a fellow Christian that it's not really a, it's kind of a satanic feast day with Satan claws and stuff.
Yeah, I thought of that before having little kids, but with little kids, it's just so fun to see them excited.
Before kids, I didn't even celebrate.
I would always tell my agent just to book me on Christmas.
I don't care.
And now I get it.
They're just so they just get really excited.
Like they just went to like an old folks' home and played Christmas music and they were like, people were like weeping.
I'm like, this is definitely good.
There can't be anything bad about that, that side of things, can it?
Playing violins.
Well, I mean, actually, it could be a form of torture, of course, depending on how good they are.
Yeah.
No, I mean, I mean, the basic idea of Christmas obviously sounds pretty satanic.
You got like a just like an old fat guy with a lady in the middle of a Arctic tundra with like basically a bunch of Chinese people making toys and then they break into your house and he demands cookies.
Yeah, I mean, the omniscience of like he knows if you're bad or good.
I think that there's several, you know, spiritually questionable aspects, but I just, I just focus on the part, you know, like I don't tell my kids that Santa's real or anything.
I just, we just focus on like the good vibes.
Yeah.
I did a I did a podcast recently with a guy who is, I can't remember what kind of evangelical Christian, I think.
And he is totally, he doesn't do Christmas at all.
And he's got like six children and they're completely on board with they get it that it's that it's evil and that they don't expect any presents because why would you get presents on the evil evil day?
And I did kind of I did a bit of pushback on him.
I said, look, there is there are songs from the kind of Middle Ages.
Well, there's the Coventry Carol, which is which is often sung at Christmas, which I think dates from one of the mystery plays about the Massacre of the Innocents.
I think people were celebrating Christmas before all the Jewish songwriters got on board and started turning it into this kind of secular fest of satanic evil.
Yeah, like silver bells.
I mean, yeah, and it's all very phallic.
You know, it's like, I mean, just give them a peppermint stick for old St. Nick with a big fat pack on his back.
It's just, you can tell, you can picture the Jew writing it.
But yeah, I think that's also just, it gets really dark in the winter and it's just an excuse to like feel good about something.
Because I, you know, in North Idaho, I mean, you guys know in England, but you don't have much snow there or anything.
But it gets kind of depressing.
It's just fun to, you know, white some lights and tell each other how much you like each other and play some songs.
Yeah, I agree with that.
And I agree with you on the white Christmas, by the way.
I cannot remember when we last had a white Christmas in this country because of our climate change and selfishness and greed in heating our homes and using air conditioning.
It's your fault.
It's all your fault.
Yeah.
I take responsibility for that.
I killed Christmas.
I killed him.
You killed the seasons because you have a car.
Except, look, here we are basically endorsing I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas, which actually is part of that secular thing that we were lamenting earlier on.
All those secular Christmas songs are basically evil, I think.
I think so.
Yeah, and that movie's really weird.
Like, they dress up as women.
Like, imagine showing your kids white Christmas.
It's like, you know, it's about these two guys trying to bang these two chicks, and they're dressing like women, and they're trying to entertain the troops.
And not one aspect of it has to do with Christianity or anything.
You're describing some like it hot.
You mean it happens in White Christmas as well?
Yes.
I'm almost positive.
I'm going to just make sure.
I'm just going to.
It's one of those things when you go down the rabbit hole and you realize.
Yeah, it is White Christmas.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Two buddies, Bob and Phil, a successful song and dance duo team up sick with the sisters Betty and Judy to save their former command general in Vermont in for a Christmas show.
Yeah, the whole thing is about trying to bang these sisters.
They dress up as women.
It's insane.
I mean, I remember watching it just being like, dude, they don't mention anything good at all.
It's all just about hijinks and banging.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's this sort of when you when you go down the rabbit hole, you go through this phase where you imagine that all the bad stuff in the world is in the present and the past was this golden era where people were above things were wholesome and good.
And then, have you seen what it's a wonderful life?
And you think, have you seen that film?
Not since I've been an adult.
No, no, no.
But you know how that film, for some reason, was really pushed heavily as it bombed at the box office and then it became it was reclaimed and it became this I don't know whether it's same in the US, but in England it's it's considered the quintessential feel-good Christmas movie.
Yeah, it was pushed on us too, probably because of the suicide.
I haven't want to kill himself in the beginning and then he's like, oh, there's a reason to stay alive, Daddy, or something.
But don't they have a sign saying features attempted self-harm, cigarettes, small stuff.
But anyway, Jimmy, Jimmy Stewart, most people would think of him as a really, really just lovely guy.
He's not one of them.
Have you seen the photograph of him taken probably in the 1930s or 40s?
He's got the old one-eye.
Well, I mean, he was doing these crazy movies for the military.
Have you looked into Lookout Mountain?
No.
So a lot of these nuclear bomb test movies, and people get so mad at me when I show them.
It's claymation.
They were all made in Hollywood at this one, and I know where it is.
It's on Laurel Canyon.
And Jared Leto lives in it now.
They used to get all the celebrities there, and they would make all these propaganda videos.
And a lot of them, I think, were just movies.
Like, they were just making movies for the government.
And Jimmy, that dude was there all the time.
He was like, hello.
And so he was blatantly a war guy.
He was like, they were making movies to try and get people to go to Korea and kill Koreans.
It was like, just all about globalism.
Well, he was in the U.S. Air Force, wasn't he?
And I think he found it.
Yeah, yeah, the Air Force.
Yep, that's who did this Lookout Mountain.
Jared Leto's dad was in the Air Force.
It was all the Air Force guys.
And they were making these ridiculous movies because I had Vivian Kubrick on and we're looking at these movies and she was like, yeah, I know my dad didn't do the moon landing because like it would have been good.
Do you think that it was the same place that they built the skeletons in Jason and the Argonauts?
You know, when the skeletons come out to life?
I don't know if I've ever seen that.
Is it good?
You haven't seen Jet?
Oh, wow.
I haven't seen that film since I was a child, probably, and it's probably been tainted.
It's probably got kind of all sorts of Illuminati messaging in it.
But it seemed to me at the time to be an innocent film about, well, Jason and the Argonauts encountering skeletons that come back to life.
We aren't safe at all.
I was thinking when we were talking about the US Air Force, and I was thinking, this makes me so angry that I can't, I try not to get angry about things.
But I've realized that the entire Eurov of Steven Spielberg is so hateful and rude in every way.
Did you see his most recent Netflix or whatever it was series about bomber pilots in World War II?
No, but he's one of these death cult guys.
I mean, he's a horror show.
This is it.
This is it.
I think the two most, I mean, obviously, it's a big field, but I think the two most evil film directors are Steven Spielberg and Quentin Tarantino.
Yeah.
Tarantino for making that film where they just savagely kill lots of Germans because they're called the Inglorious Bastards.
Inglorious Bastards.
I don't think that even the film where they what's that film where they oh, the torture film, the human centipede.
I don't think there will ever be a worse film than Inglorious Bastards because the way it dehumanizes an entire country and legitimizes their torture in the name of the N-word.
Their nancers, therefore we can just.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And the bad guy in that movie, I thought, was the good guy.
I was like rooting for that guy.
I was like, yeah, offer some tea.
Are they in the attic?
That's not a bad idea.
Having a film where I do that all the time.
I'm always like, you know, like, oh, yeah, I saw Shandler's List, man.
Great movie.
Horrible ending.
Well, this is very, you're being very naughty, Owen.
So I'm going to have to ask you about your view on the recent tragedy in Australia where a bald man.
Oh, yeah.
You know what I think?
I just think it's all bullshit.
Well, I was going to get you steer you into gently.
This bald man, right?
He left, and this is a very moving story.
I don't know why you're laughing.
He left Israel to flee the bombs and the bullets.
Yeah.
And his daughter said to him, Papa, Papa, when we go to Australia, will the...
He said this...
You shouldn't laugh.
He said this on the Australian TV and it was very moving.
He said, Papa, she said to me, when we go to Australia, will there be any more bombs and bullets?
And he said, no, my daughter.
Australia is really safe.
I was very unlucky once when I got caught in the October the 7th terrorist and miraculously I survived and talked about it a lot afterwards.
I'm going to Australia now to seek a completely new life.
And what do you know?
Two weeks after we arrived.
What happens?
He gets shot in the head.
Yeah, but let's get the details right.
The funniest is he has a bandage on his head, like he got shot.
What was the detail?
What did they say?
They say he gets in the shot.
Well, the detail, the QDL is he's got one of those magic head wounds, a bit like President Trump got, the magic headwind where you get a high caliber bullet going close to your face, but somehow you can play golf the next day in Trump's case.
Or in this guy's case, he's just like, he's out of hospital.
Where was the blood coming from?
Where was the wound?
Do you think?
The props department.
I mean, I looked at the list of everybody, all the victims I have right here.
There's a South African rabbi, a Holocaust survivor, someone named Gutmann, vice president of the anti-prejudice, anti-discrimination.
There's an unnamed 40-year-old man.
There was a Soviet-born guy, a British-born rabbi.
Yeah, it's a very strange group of people.
But yeah, it's getting to the point of, like, even a reasonable person, like, let's say it was real, they would be like, man, everywhere I go, horrible things happen.
Like, maybe it's me.
You know?
I was wondering about this.
Because I've had people say on my Telegram group saying, look, I live in Sydney, and I know somebody who works in emergency service or first aid, or she's a nurse or something.
And she treated actual people who were actually killed or wounded.
And I don't like sort of questioning the bona fides of people in my Telegram chat who've been, you know, seem to be friendly and nice and trustworthy.
So things like that throw me.
But at the same time, this guy who within half an hour of the tap, there are pictures on the internet after his selfie, after his crawling through the on-the-ground selfie with the blood.
There are photographs of him being made up and smiling as he's made up.
And then you get these counter, then you get sort of insider people who look at photographs and they say, ah, but that was fake because of me.
And you think, but they would have thought of that when they planned this operation.
So they show you him being made up and then they snatch it away from you to demonstrate that you're just you're mocking, you're mocking the innocent victims of this.
So it's designed to mess with your head.
In long term, it's having a strange effect where people just don't care at all anymore.
That's what's kind of ripping apart the social fabric because what's the answer to that?
It's just to be like, yeah, I don't care.
You can't just keep caring.
And to answer, like your friend there, just look at COVID.
There's people that I know and love and trust that will be like, oh, yeah, I have lots of friends that died of COVID.
And I'm like, okay.
Like, I watched what happened.
I just, I know that's not true.
But like, I see how people could think it's true.
You know, like, as a former cast member of Punked on MTV, it's like you can take over a situation and make people think something's happening that isn't extremely easily.
Like you can't with like a sound.
You know, like people's minds are very hijackable.
Yeah.
Tell me more.
What like I used to like in punked, we would you ever see that show where celebrities get punked where they think that something's happening?
And like when uh Justin Timberlake got all his cars repossessed.
I don't know if you guys have that show in England, but it was like, like, for example, this big boy band guy.
My job was his wife was in on it, but they were walking in the park and a gorilla attacked her.
And it was like this really realistic looking gorilla.
And I was the guy with the gun.
Like I was the zookeeper with a tranquilizer gun.
And my job was just to keep him back.
And I was always threatening to shoot the gorilla.
And I was improving.
You know, Ash and Kutcher's in my ear telling me all this, like, various things to do.
And I just started saying, I'll shoot anybody.
Like, I was just like, I will, I was just trying to get everything down.
I'm like, I will tranquilize you.
I will tranquilize your wife.
And so I was just increasing the tension.
It was like one fake gun and a monkey.
You know, I did that with one of the guys from War of the Rings.
I think it was Frodo or no, it wasn't Frodo.
It was the other one.
And the whole thing was that someone had a dog that gets attacked in a restaurant and I was the waiter, but the dog just starts taking a shit.
It just like totally ruined the whole thing.
And so I had to like improvise it and say that, you know, he intentionally did that.
And I was assuming because of the feces.
And like the whole thing was just social engineering.
Like, how can you, you know, like, have you ever seen, yeah, I did the O2 Arena in London with the Impractical Jokers.
Like, you ever see the Impractical Jokers where they go into a public place and they just mess with people and just see what people will do?
Like, I've done that professionally so many times that I know that people are so easy to hijack.
You just like, like, just as a joke when I was in my 20s, I used to stand at the door of bars and all you need is a flashlight and you're now the door guy.
I just go, ID, just with a flashlight.
Like, I could, yes.
Like, the president of Sony, I'd be like, I just have a flashlight, ID, ID, and they'd have to show it to me.
And I'd be like, okay, what month were you born?
And I just have all the power.
And I'm just an asshole with a flashlight.
And I think the government is that.
You know, you're just like, well, today, it doesn't, it's just like just a guy with a podium.
Like, if you get the podium, and I think a lot of these social engineer types get that, where they're like, oh, all you need is the podium and you're the president.
You know?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you can do some of the tricks, presumably in the U.S. as well, with high-vis jackets.
You put on a high-vis jacket.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, in Paris, like they just, the construction guys, and I called it even before it came out.
I'm like, they were probably wearing, they were like dressed as workers because no one looks at workers.
If you're wearing a construction vest, you're invisible.
And they did.
That's how they got into the Louvre.
They were just like wearing construction gear.
Which would presumably be how they got to wire up the Twin Towers for demolition.
They just wore high-vis jackets, walked inside, planted these.
Like your friend, the nurse, like, think about how easy that would be.
Just get a couple people, you know, just stab them with a pen in the arm or something and just pretend they're freaking out in a hospital.
Like, ah, you know, and then that scene is happening.
You wouldn't even need blood.
And so everybody witnessing is like, oh, I see that.
Like, this is chaos.
This is pure chaos.
And it's just somebody acting like it's chaos.
That is true.
I hadn't really thought that they could, you could be that close and still be taken in.
Right there.
And especially when you have incentives, like if there's financial incentives for it to be true, it's true.
And it's not even like they're lying.
Your brain is just like, oh, yeah, that's the world I live in.
And then that's why that scene in what's that?
The assassin, John Wick, when the guy stops the world, there's this awesome scene in John Wick where the Winston, the head of the Continental, I think it represents money.
The whole movie is in my opinion about central banking.
But he's like, he just stops commerce metaphorically, but everyone in the courtyard just stops walking.
And it's this powerful scene where he basically is like, I control all the people here.
And you could do that.
You just wouldn't need like 80 people.
Dude, there's Craigslist posts where they're like, you know, do you want to be in a sketch?
And it's just like a shooting.
I meant to pick you up earlier, but it was good letting you run.
The point you made about how nobody really sort of believes these things anymore.
They think they do.
They've told them so.
Because if you and I were to go up to them and say, you realize that the whole thing on Bondi Beach, it didn't actually happen.
They'd hate you.
Pam Bondi Beach.
They would be very upset, wouldn't they?
They would.
Yeah, yeah, because they think you were questioning them personally.
The personal aspect, same with like the moonlanding, they'll be like, so you're calling my grandfather a liar who worked on it.
I'm like, he worked in a cubicle and pressed buttons on a keyboard like a monkey.
No offense, but like he, he can live his life and not be a liar saying that he helped put a man on the moon.
That doesn't.
I'm like, money itself is a lie.
So everyone making a dollar, and as a comedian, it's like, it's like it's made out of cotton.
We're literally cotton picking slaves.
It's a joke.
And I think it's really funny.
But like a dollar is made out of cotton.
It's backed by no gold or silver.
It's backed literally by a promise to pay and there's 40 trillion of them.
So like, are we all liars?
Do none of us have jobs?
You know, it's like, no, we're just kind of doing our thing.
Well, hence the if the Gestapo existed question.
I mean, you just exactly.
Exactly.
No, no, I know, because it's all psychological.
It's all if you think it's true, especially in the realm of wizards, which is, I think banking is like the Harry Potter world of wizardry.
It's like, well, if you think it's true, it'll affect your behavior and therefore the outcome will come that we originally wanted.
So what is true?
Like, that's how they think.
And I'm like, oh, so it really is narrative driven.
Everything's about the story.
And so if you think there's a Gestapo, it's like the Panopticon, where if you think that there may be guards in a tower, you know, there is.
Like, dude, I have a crazy theory that I think the government did, who is that guy, Snowden, just to get us afraid that they're spying on us.
Because how could they announce that?
You know, how could they be like, hey guys, we're collecting all your data?
So instead, they run this.
And this is just totally speculation.
I have no idea.
But they run this script where people are like, oh, man, they're always spying on us.
And then it affects their behavior where they're just like, well, you know, they might be, I'm not going to text that.
might be spying on us have you done this is this is a rabbit hole that i've never been able to kind of get anyone to talk about but Maybe because it doesn't exist, this rabbit hole.
But have you heard the theory that the entire Pacific war was fake?
You know, that the kind of the Guadalcanal and I've heard that Pearl Harbor, I've heard was.
We know Pearl Harbor was carried out by this senior American command and planned and the Japanese were fooled into thinking that they were surprising you.
And of course, you know.
Of course they were.
And the poor guy, the poor guy in charge of the defense of Pearl Harbor, who was who took the rap, he wasn't given the information because he wasn't on the secret and his life was destroyed by it.
No, that's the key to these punked events is you have to have people that are true.
Like, you can't have everyone be a jokester.
Because we have an instinct of reality.
So, like, you I think Charlie Kirk wasn't in on it.
And I think everyone else kind of was.
I think Charlie Kirk was almost like the Down syndrome guy that believes everything.
He's like, I just want to play in the field, you know?
And so he's, yeah, he was like, yeah, Israel's our greatest ally.
And then he started seeing stuff.
And everyone around him was like, oh, no, Charlie.
Remember?
You want to play in the field, right?
You want a cookie?
And he's like, oh, but he had that magnetism that comes from reality.
And now you're seeing like when the actors are now having his microphone, it just feels so fake.
And everyone's like, this is super fake because the lizard type people are super fake.
That's why they need real blood.
They need the mark to be like, oh, this is Pearl Harbor.
Oh, boy, oh, boy.
Well, obviously, I don't think he's dead.
I mean, do you think that they let you know after or before?
I think.
Do you think you wake up?
Like, they're like, listen, you can either do this or this.
You have some options now.
Do you think, like, let's say they faked his death?
Do you think he knew before?
Or do you think that they like they could stun him hard?
Like, this is really happening.
And then later, I think, I think he had, I think, even if they only told him on the day to make his acting better, I think he knew because I think there were little people have analyzed the footage and there were little signals that he, I think when he, it's a mic drop moment, I think.
You think he puts down his mic at the moment where there were signals that he's in cahoots with the assassination team.
Yeah, if I was directing it, I wouldn't want him to know so I could get a real reaction from him.
Like, you do that sometimes with a big thing.
Like, if you're gonna, if you're gonna jump scare somebody, like, sometimes you want it to be real the first time because then after they're anticipating it.
And I don't know, maybe he's that good of an actor, but like sometimes I, maybe it's my ego being like, how could you be that good of an actor?
But like, if you don't know what's coming, you know, like the Trump ear thing, like it almost works better if he's not fully aware of it.
And then, you know, it's like, it's like you get a more fresh reaction out of it.
But I don't know, but there's problems with that too.
There's a lot of.
He's good at that pro wrestling thing.
What's it called?
Kayfaby.
How is that how you pronounce it?
K-Faby?
I don't know.
I'm all the rigmarole with professional wrestlers where he pretends to get chucked out of the ring or just gets it.
Yeah.
No, I think he was, I think he knew that one.
I mean, Charlie Kirk is that good of an actor.
That's just crazy.
I think I've got an issue with that.
I tell you what bothered me most about Charlie Kirk, because one saw lots of images of different people wearing Charlie Kirk masks.
And it was like watching a sort of watermelon or something.
It was not a human head at all.
And you had these sort of little teeth inside.
Yeah.
And this sort of fat sort of.
Have you not been disturbed by these?
That's why I kind of thought he died a little bit because I was like, how can he play another part now?
He has such a distinct head.
Like, how can he blend in?
Like, how could you, you know, like, how could you put him as somebody else in the script because his head is so big?
Like, do you change his head?
He's not going to be repurposed like that comedian who died and became Alex Jones.
People would spot it instantly if they, unless they brought him back as a sort of character on Sesame Street or something.
So the Melon Head, Mr. Melon Head.
Mr. Mellon Head.
That would work.
I mean, people say, I mean, there's, what do you think Jim Morrison became?
Because he definitely did.
In my opinion, there's no chance he died.
Do you know who he became?
James Earl Jones.
Obvious.
No, I think they do have like Oscars for their little groups.
Because, dude, I really do think one of the best performances was Christine Blassey Ford played by the man she was accusing.
Do you remember that?
No, I don't.
Tell me about this.
We had the Supreme Court judge that was being nominated.
Yeah.
And he then was accused of like gang rape or something insane.
And the woman who accused him was from Stanford University.
Her name was Christine Blassey Ford, and she was always giving testimony and he was never there.
And if you put the faces next to each other and how her vocal frame was and the way she used her glasses and all that, I think it was played by the guy.
I can't, I'm like blanking on his name.
He was this Catholic guy.
He's in the Supreme Court, but I think he may have played his accuser.
Do you think they have sort of special teams dedicated to things that are going to screw people's heads up?
Things like that.
A bit like you have a writer's room on sitcoms and stuff.
Yeah, I do.
Yeah, and people that said that was crazy.
I'm like, find her.
Christine Blassey Ford no longer exists.
She doesn't have social media.
She was like a professor or something.
She's gone.
She didn't have a footprint before or after.
Like, you cannot find this woman in the world.
And she was like on television all the time.
Like, and I know that I can't prove what I just said is true, but like, that's at least possible.
Whereas this other stuff isn't, I don't think it's possible that she existed and now doesn't exist in the world.
No book, no interview, no job, no friends, no Facebook, nothing at all.
She's just gone.
Have you ever tried having a conversation with a normie about the Challenger disaster?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Where miraculously, all the people who got burned alive in this terrible accident resurfaced in kind of public sector jobs, like in academe and stuff, looking just like the ones who died, but they're not the same people, even though the names are slightly similar.
And they have the same social security numbers and they had twins.
But do you and have you had the reaction that I've had?
Like, you get like this wall of well, it's not just incomprehension.
It's like, no, they think you're crazy.
They look at you like, is there a mental institution I can take you to?
And I'm just like, they built up this teacher, a female teacher, and then wheeled in televisions.
Like, we didn't have a TV in our classroom.
They made sure we all sat there and watched her flesh become liquefied.
It was like, and if you look up MK Ultra and how to brainwash somebody, it's like these trauma events are so crucial to do.
And I'm like, and then they didn't die.
And then they would have like a soccer ball floating in the water.
There's all these like artifacts that they use.
And yeah, and then they'd be like teaching at a college.
They look the same.
They act the same.
And then they said, yeah, they had twins.
And I think they kind of do that.
I think they just run and gun and then lie as they go with some of these things.
Well, I think that shows the kind of contempt they have for the masses.
It's again, like this guy, Arsen Arson Ostrovsky.
It's funnier in England because arse in England is a rude word, whereas you say ass, but arse, arson, you know, maybe he's got that name because it's a load of arse.
So the guy, you, you show the stupid selfie, and then you show the picture of being made up.
And still, people, most people, most people of the world's population will look at that event despite the evidence of these pictures and go, well, what are you looking at?
I mean, he was a victim.
I think that's part of the joke.
Like, one of the funniest ones is Tyler Robinson's trans boyfriend is named Lance Twiggs.
I think the names are always hilarious because, and I even looked it up.
How many people in America have the surname Twiggs?
And it's like less than a thousand and a lot of them are black.
And so that Lance is like a super uncommon name for like the youth as well.
And so a Lance is like a thrusting object.
Yeah, yeah.
And then a Twig is like, like, you know what a Twig is.
And it's like, so this trans guy is named Lance Twiggs.
And I think that I remember when George Floyd happened, the funniest one of all time was Waynell Sexton.
So they were saying that in third grade, little George Floyd wanted to be a judge and had this like little cramp drawing of a judge.
And its teacher, Waynell, which is not a real name.
It just sounds like Anal.
And then sex, like anal sex is Waynell Sexton for like 30 years kept this random black kids drawing.
And she was like on the news.
It was like, Wayne all, like Waynell Sexton.
And she was like, yeah, George just wanted to be a judge.
What's that?
Is that true?
They kept it.
100% true.
Waynell Sexton was a major character.
And I was like going through it on my stream for like weeks because I couldn't.
And laughing at it is the thing that I think that bothers them the most, which is why I get some to platform.
But I think now there's so much.
I don't even feel that persecuted.
I'm not allowed to have a YouTube channel, but I think so many cats are out of so many bags that it's just like, I don't think they can even do it.
I don't think they care anymore.
This is it.
This is exactly what I was, I kept kind of trying to get back to the point and being distracted from when you were saying people, people don't believe it because they have flooded the zone with crazy.
The people now are just, they cannot compute.
It's so they just go, yeah, it probably happened, but I'm not going to get emotionally involved.
Because nobody, nobody was.
I had no conversations.
I mean, I don't get out much, but when I was in the sauna, when I was in the local, local spa, when I went fox hunting, hunting, nobody was talking, nobody was saying, oh, can you pass me your stirrup cup?
Very good.
Slogan.
Spoke British.
Your activities are always so British.
They've just banned it, Owen.
They're about to ban it forever.
But nobody was passing me their drink and saying, that hedge was scary.
By the way, we should drink this, drink a toast to the victims of Bondi.
Nobody said that.
Nobody's emotionally invested anymore in these things.
Which is kind of reassuring, but also kind of scary because they must have planned for this.
Maybe.
But they're really going for new narratives to the point where I was even starting to feel the Candace narrative with Erica.
And like my friends are like, dude, it's so fake.
And I'm like, yeah, but maybe it's like every now and then they'll really try and get another script going.
But then when you take a step back, you're like, this might be the fakest thing I've ever seen.
It's like the Egyptian planes and the original boyfriend of Erica Kirk that's now running Turning Point that works at the Daily Wire.
And did she really have sex with them?
And yeah, they're just really daunted.
I think so much of it has to do with the financial system.
I think like right now, I mean, silver just hit $70 an ounce this morning, which is insane.
I mean, it was 16 like four years ago.
I hope you've got some.
Yes.
I've got some.
Yeah, I've been telling people for years.
I'm like, get silver.
Silver.
I might just get it as you can use it as silverware.
You could use it as whatever.
I'm like, but it's so valuable and it's so underpriced.
And now I think like, you know, the wizards have these schemes and they just start falling apart where they don't work anymore.
And then they have to just like pull in the attention.
Like they basically run a coat check where they took in two, like they gave out 200 tickets for one coat.
That's what that's what the markets are.
They're like, you give them the coat, you give them five bucks.
Here's your ticket.
Return the ticket to get your coat.
They did that with silver, gold, land, everything.
And they gave out 200 tickets.
There's one coat.
And everyone's standing there with their ticket, like, where's my coat?
And they're like, oh, Charlie Kirk, Erica Kirk.
Oh, my God.
It was doing its bid on yesterday's stream.
It's like, ladies and gentlemen, come on.
It's like, from the content, the dark continent, Candace Owens will be chasing down a Jew.
It's just, it's like, here's Tucker Garlson.
Listen to his high-pitched voice.
Is he a man?
Is he a woman?
Is Ben Shapiro a dwarf?
You know, it's totally just circus acting.
Can I ask you, though, something?
If Tucker asked you to go on this show, would you do it?
He's the only one that's possible because he lives in a rural area.
But people don't believe me when I dumb this.
I would not do Candace Owens' show.
Like, if they asked me, I'd be like, no.
I wouldn't do Joe Rogan talking, maybe.
Well, because you'd have to travel to an urban area.
Well, just, it just seems sketchy to me.
It just seems like my instincts are like, that's not it.
You don't want to be a part.
And I also don't want to be a part of their script.
I probably wouldn't do Tucker.
I mean, when Kanye West asked me to come to LA to shoot sketches, I literally was like, no, I got to milk goats.
But I was talking to him a lot, but I was genuinely trying to give him good advice.
Like, I actually don't have like an agenda to be famous.
I'm like, dude, I've been more famous than I am now.
And it like, you're part of the script, dude.
You might be the guy in Pearl Harbor that's like, oh, shit.
We were giving him some lyrical tips and some musical tips.
No, it's like, how do you survive the Jewish assault?
I was like, just don't like, I was just giving him a ton of advice.
I told him to pick his own cotton.
Literally, I'm like, that would blow everyone's mind.
And he went down that road briefly where I'm like, show how empowering it is to grow cotton and pick it yourself.
Because when he said slavery is a choice, that's what made him the threat.
It wasn't even the Jew talk.
It was like slavery is literally about externalizing authority and dependence.
I'm like, if you picked your own cotton, it would fucking blow everyone's mind.
How would Kanye pick his own cotton?
Like, I've tried growing cotton.
It's too cold up here, but as a joke, but also it'd be funny.
You mean literally, Konya?
Literally pick your own cotton.
Yeah, because he has a clothing business.
I'm like, imagine if you had you and black people picking their own cotton.
Like it would change, it would blow everyone's mind because it would because like the whole slavery spell is all from like a mini series in the 70s where everyone just thinks it's like your brain works this way.
There's triggers.
It's like whips, cotton, abuse.
You know, it's like you pick cucumbers in your garden.
What the hell is wrong with like you pick cotton?
And I'm like, the dollar is made out of cotton.
Like, we pick cotton when we get paid in dollars.
Like, it's a joke.
I don't know, is cotton, is it still a money spinner?
Would Kanye get a return on his investment, do you think?
Well, in the, I don't know about actually return on his investment with cotton, but like as an image, because he's selling that image, like, you know, selling $1,000 socks or whatever.
The story of that would be mind-blowing.
Like, the story of Kanye West picking his own cotton, and then you can buy the socks made from that would be fascinating.
No, I think you gave him some good advice there, which he was a fool.
The man was a fool to ignore it.
Yeah, because I was watching black people melt down.
It's like, would you pick cotton for $400 an hour?
And they're like, I don't know if I could, man.
I'm like, you currently mop up puke for $15 an hour.
Like, are you out of your mind?
You don't want to go outside and sing songs and pick little fucking clouds.
Exactly.
They could sing spiritual songs.
Dude, it's the lightest thing.
It's not like potatoes where you have to be in the ground.
It's literally weightless.
You have a bag of weightless cotton.
Like your bag weighs like five pounds.
I would like to hear you do, see you do a documentary on the true history of the slave trade and the cotton mills.
Cotton plantations, I think people think that these people had to work hard.
Let me tell you.
I got a funny story about that.
So there was this African slave who was still alive when the moon landing happened.
He was like literally like 100.
His name was Charles Smith, and he was interviewed.
He's like, ain't no one going to that moon.
So I was like fascinated.
I'm listening.
The way they got him from Africa, this is test, and this totally checks out with me.
They said that in America they had pancake trees.
And he was just like, yes.
Because they couldn't just like grab you.
And so they were like, yeah, in America, we have pancake trees.
And he was like, for real?
He was like a little kid and he went on the slave ship.
And it was like, they didn't have pancake trees, but they did have orange trees.
And he was like a happy guy.
So the oranges provided compensation just for no pancake trees and becoming a slave.
So it's like, it's the same trick.
You had to believe something retarded to become a slave.
It's just like now.
Like now, it's the same thing.
You believe something ridiculous, you know, where it's like, oh, like feminism, like they're just the basic tenets of feminism.
And you're just like, yeah, that's all true.
Yeah, like an abortion makes me a stronger woman.
It's like, okay, here's the pancake tree.
They love it, though, the girls.
They love it.
I mean, particularly kind of teenage girls.
They love all that shit.
They bind it.
Until they realize there's no pancake tree.
I know, I know.
I was thinking that actually is, there's a moral there.
If you can discover there's no pancake tree and become a slave and yet still be happy because there are orange trees, isn't that kind of metaphor for life?
It's like my life, yeah.
You can be very happy.
Yeah.
Like the key is just admitting you were tricked and just moving on.
Like people that can't admit they were tricked are the ones that typically end up doubling down on pancake trees.
Well, that's the essence, isn't it, of cognitive dissonance, that we're all so heavily programmed that we cannot, we cannot afford to get rid of the old narrative, even though the evidence before our eyes is so clearly.
Yeah, because the way they get rid of them is just never to talk about it again, like margarine, you know, like or the old, you know, like the old food pyramid and stuff is like exactly the opposite of what people say now.
And it was like drilled in our heads our whole childhood.
And then they just like, they don't talk about it.
I think that is by design to get people to keep up.
I call it polarity seeding.
It messes up people's heads.
Like, well, AIDS was happening.
You have Magic Johnson gets AIDS, which literally means like magical penis, Magic Johnson, like Wizard.
And then Greg Lou Gaines.
Literally, those were our celebrities that had AIDS.
And at the same time, they're selling AIDS diet pills where it's like, it's really like, you should get yourself some AIDS.
It's like, oh, Tina, you're looking really slim.
That's because I've had AIDS.
It's the same time period.
They're doing both.
It's just like George Floyd having, I can't breathe masks.
So he's all these people are chanting, I can't breathe, I can't breathe.
Right as everybody is being told to wear masks to be able to breathe.
It's like that makes your head just kind of like submit.
And you're like, whatever, just tell me what to do because it's also nonsense.
Yeah.
People sort of normally would think that you were just being a comedian there.
But actually, it's true.
No, I do a whole series on it called How to Slay a Wizard, ladle.tv, $9.11 a month.
Never forget.
It's all 100% true.
And then Magic Penis never died.
Neither did Gaines.
Because in my opinion, it was the AZT.
It's like, if you could trick them, maybe like.
ACT killed Rock Hudson.
It killed, who was obviously completely straight.
Who else did it kill?
Arthur Ash, the tennis player.
Yeah, I think all the gays.
I don't think AIDS killed anybody.
I think the whole thing was you get people that live this awful lifestyle and they feel shame and not, you know, so hot being up for three days in a bathhouse.
And then they're like, here's the medicine.
And as they're dying, you're like, but think about how much worse it would be if you weren't taking it.
And then you just rock them to sleep and the Grim Reaper moves on to COVID.
Yeah, exactly.
And think how much worse your COVID would be if you hadn't had the vaccine.
Yeah, Rem Desivir.
I mean, Rem Desivir was like, just, I mean, the gas chambers were these like the modern gas chamber spell was that they were getting put on these like ventilators.
And you get put on a ventilator, you'd be dead in three days.
That's right.
Do you remember at the beginning of the well, yes, you must remember this?
Right at the beginning, there was an urgent call out for all these ventilator machines that hospitals desperately needed to.
Yeah, yeah.
If only you had more of these, more lives could be saved.
And these were what killing people.
Yeah, and the more people they could kill, the more they'd say, we definitely need more.
Look at how many people were dying.
Meanwhile, the Amish got none.
The Amish had zero, no COVID.
I wanted to ask you, you mentioned Ashton Kutcher.
Yeah.
Like, did you do you like know him?
Was he no?
I mean, I'd be friendly with him, but I, that's the thing is, I was a stand-up comedian, so I was in the house 20 as the butler of the Playboy Mansion, and I've never been to a Playboy Mansion party.
It's like I just skated through Hollywood because I was always at comedy clubs at night and I wasn't socially in their world, but I would be like a mercenary because I could do the things they needed for like a scene or like a commercial or something because of the because comedy is a skill.
And then I would just do it because that dude turned out to be quite a creep, it looks like.
I think they all, they all are, aren't they?
I mean, but on a level I didn't know was possible, like the whole thorn, if you looked into that, the what they'll like they'll do these uh charity things, you know, like a non-profit to like help the victims of sexual abuse.
And it like at this point, it's very clear that they're the ones, you know.
Yes, yeah, yeah, well, no, exactly.
So what I wanted to ask you was, I probably asked this before, because it's one of the $64,000 questions.
Are these people born or made?
So I think somebody like Ashton Kutcher is probably Hollywood bloodlines.
And some of these people are cloned, aren't they, in deep underground military bases?
Yeah, I go back and forth.
Depends on the day.
I mean, Ashton, I think that sometimes they do something really bad.
And then the mob, you know, like the cartel gets them.
It's like, for example, Ashton Kutcher was dating a girl that was horrifically murdered.
And he was there.
Like he went there to pick her up and he saw that there was spilled wine on the floor and then went to the award ceremony.
And the first people he called were, this is all public record, was his agent and somebody else.
And this is before he was super famous.
And then it turned out she was murdered by a serial killer, right?
I think serial killers are a brand that they can just bring in when they need to clean something up.
Totally.
I mean, they're all carried out by sort of rogue, well, not really licensed rogue operators from the intelligence services, aren't they?
Yeah, and or just, I mean, Kelsey Grammer had like three family members murdered.
Like his dad, his sister, and I believe his brother.
And it's like, okay.
And then like his sister, it turned out was killed by a serial killer who to this day like swears he didn't do it.
And it's like, I think sometimes what happens is they're like, okay, well, you have two options.
That's why a lot of these Antifa guys, like when that one guy shot that guy, it turned out he was like a sex offender.
It's like, I think the feds will sit you down and be like, well, door number one is this, door number two is this.
Like you can be, that's why I think the acting can be so bad.
They're like, okay, you're facing 10 years in jail.
Or how do you want to go?
How about you go to have a beach day in Australia?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
I think.
Do you think that if you'd agreed to, you know, kill a few people or whatever, whatever they propose to you as your means of entry, do you think you'd now be accepted among them and doing whatever you'd be doing?
No.
No chance.
But before, I mean, because part of the thing is you don't see the big picture.
It's all about A to B to C to D. Like you can't see the whole alphabet or else it doesn't work because who the hell would take that deal?
They need you to be like afraid and short-sighted to be like, yeah, you know, obviously I can see how it works to the point where I'd be like, no, thank you.
You wanted, I know you've got to go and milk some goats.
You wanted to talk about Candace and George.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Give me the gravy on George.
Well, do you know, I so I only met him a few years ago when I was when I was still at basically a normie and I went to I was I was working working for an American news website at the time, which I won't won't name because it's just too tedious.
I've got one of those gagging contracts, you know, where you can't talk about your.
And I was went to the Conservative Party conference in Birmingham.
And there was this guy, good looking, rich.
Is he titled?
No, he's not titled, but one knew he came from a kind of Bosch background.
And he took me and some other people out to dinner.
And I found him sort of, well, intriguing, because I didn't know where this guy had come from.
He was completely...
You know how these figures appear on the scene?
And you're explaining who they are.
And they've got, but you think that he's going to pay for dinner and he speaks nicely and he's got an air of entitlement and charisma.
So I'll be entertained by him for an evening.
But it's all fake, isn't it?
I mean, when you were talking about the marriage being arranged, I mean, that's his, like I'm watching him describe it.
That's why I did that character of the Safari Hunter.
He's like, when I, when I was, I saw Candace and I knew I could trade him for a tin of tobacco.
You know how they have those like old turn of the century type that always like the Churchill type that always seem a little hammered?
You know, they always kind of talk like, that's the character I did of him.
But it just, he literally said that they had one FaceTime and he called her powerful.
He's like, Candace is power.
I'm like, that's why I like started comparing her to like a panther or some kind of animal.
And so they got married without dating.
He was like, I never took her to dinner or anything.
So he dated you more than Candace Owens, his wife.
That's a very good point you've made there.
He dated me more than, although for the record, there were other people present at the dinner.
But yeah, yeah, you're right.
But even a group dinner is more than what happened.
And then you look into Candace.
I got some gravy for you.
So allegedly, her father was in charge of doing the contracts and cleanup at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
That is the best thing I've heard all day.
Yeah, this, this, yeah, I mean, it's like, that's what makes me think of like underground drama group or something because it's crazy when I heard that.
And this, and this woman did so much research on it, and it was like, holy shit, she's from Connecticut.
Her dad and grandfather, I think together, owned a company that did the landscaping contracts, the janitorial contracts, like 2012 at Sandy Hook.
That's Mr. Wolf, isn't it?
Is it Mr. Wolf who clears up at the end of pulp fiction?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's what it appears.
And this is alleged question.
Alleged, of course.
But it's like, it's like pretty alleged.
And the fact she's like, who is driving these Egyptian planes?
I'm like, bitch, I want you to talk about Sandy Hook, you know?
Wow.
That is fantastic.
Where did you find that one out?
That allegation?
This woman, I can't remember her name.
I want to give her a shout out, but I'll email it to you.
She just did tons of research on it and was like, just did this YouTube video.
And I started looking into it.
Because she also kind of came out of nowhere.
It's like, you know, like Charlie Kirk and her both just kind of were thrust upon the world.
And we're like, okay.
That place you mention is another classic example of the.
When you it's, it's another challenger disaster.
When you find you tell people the school had been closed for 18 months.
Yeah, why were these kids going to a school that had been closed for 18 months?
Why were the parents laughing on tv when they talked about their dead children, who were just like people died?
How can you be so insensitive?
Yeah, and for the normie, like I will say, some of them are just like good people that just can't believe, like, they're not aware that people can be this deceptive.
And I think the knowledge of evil is what I try to help people with, where I'm like, no, this, this is real.
Like, people can be this evil.
Like, they can just like try to manipulate you.
And your job is just to figure it out.
It's like a fun game.
Yeah.
That's biblical, too.
It's all about asking the questions.
When you make the claim that things go sideways, like if you say, like, this is what Sandy Hook is, that's when they kind of have you.
It's more like, how can a school, like, if you're asking the question, you do get away with it.
And that's kind of like what Jesus was doing is he was always asking questions to the Pharisee.
I hadn't thought about that.
Yeah.
He spoke in questions.
Like, he would always respond to an attack with a question because then it's all on you to put it together.
That's why it's like, well, how could a school that had been closed for 18 years have or 18 months?
Like, why would a school have children there?
And then a question can't be, a question isn't defamatory.
Like my lawyer even told me that.
He was like, questions aren't defamatory.
Have fun, big guy.
So what you should have said, is it true?
Is it true that Candace's father was the well, yeah, or allegedly?
Like people have alleged because it is like thousands of people have now alleged.
Because alleged is also, because it's not even like a loophole.
It's real.
You're just, you're saying something that you know is true, where it's people have alleged that Candace Owens' dad was part of the cleanup of Sandy Hook.
I've heard it alleged that she's not strictly speaking a woman, but have you heard that she's not acting like a woman with four kids?
And I was very public about that, allegedly.
It's like when you have four little kids, you're not getting stalked by the French Legion, who, by the way, appears to be the worst hit squad of all time.
I mean, it's been like, what, a month?
What are they rowing a boat?
Yeah.
What's your theory on that?
Just total bullshit.
I mean, if I paid a hit squad $1.5 million to kill somebody, and they're like, I'm like, dude, it's been five weeks.
What are you guys doing?
Yeah.
But I mean, as a result of all this, our norm is meant to be convinced that definitely Brigitte Macron is not Macron's dad.
Is that what we meant to take home from all this?
I think at this point, people just want to see the wean to see if it actually exists.
Yeah, that's never going to happen, is it?
That's never going to happen.
No.
It's like you're never going to get, you're never going to see Big Mike's tackle, wedding tackle like that.
No, no, no.
You'll just see their dead chefs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy how many of their chefs die.
Same with Oprah.
A lot of their cooks and chefs.
They die more than soldiers.
I think it's somebody told me, you know, the Anthony Bourdain, you get hanged from your doorknob.
Yep.
That apparently is one of their coded murders for if you are a member of the club already and you betrayed the secrets.
Yeah, yeah.
I think.
Yeah, they give you a shameful death, too.
Like that, like that one dude, they'll make it look like you were like whacking.
You know, like the dude from Kung Fu.
You know, they want to, like, they're like showing you like you betrayed us.
You were in the group.
See, the fact that I'm not in the club is a huge help because I was in Hollywood working, but I had never no vows, no knowledge of, like I never betrayed anyone.
I was just kind of like, I wanted to write a movie about it, about a guy who accidentally joins the Illuminati called Electric Gary.
Like, I thought that could be funny, where he just keeps accidentally like, but when you're in, you like, you can't go against them, you know, or I'll still, they'll try and make a shameful death out of you.
It's not just like a heart attack.
They'll make it look like you were a perv.
Look, I don't want to be in Hollywood, but I would quite like to be in your film about the accidental.
Oh, of course.
Oh, my God.
It'd be so funny.
But would you like to get it?
What's that?
Would it get financed?
I mean, given that who owns all the finance?
I mean, at this point, with the way that tech is and how well I can crowdfund, like I, we raised money to get 100 acres to do festivals on.
Like, if you have a big enough audience and people are willing to throw in 400 bucks, it's like you can get big.
And it's like, especially like my rate of follow-through is so high that people are just like, yeah, I'll throw away.
Let's see what you can do.
And there's the movie also has Synap.
So the way I want to write it is the head-to-head guy is penised backwards.
It's Synap.
And like everything in the world is being done by Synap because it's all a joke.
And like the comedian can actually see it.
And they've gotten to take over for Synap.
But, you know, that's the whole plot of the movie.
That's good.
No, I like that.
So you've just distracted me.
You know the Amazon signal?
A symbol?
Yeah.
That's a semi-erect penis, isn't it?
Yes, absolutely it is.
Why do they do that to us?
Because they think it's really funny, I think.
Dude, Lance Twiggs.
I think part of it is also like, I think on the divine level, the more they bite, the more they have to show you.
Because I don't think they're allowed to just grab people.
They have to be like, they have to, like, if people are blinded by vice and they're like, and they don't see the trap, then they're allowed to do it.
Yeah.
We've done our hour.
I'm worried about your goats.
And I hate it when you sort of, I don't want you to get all tense and think I've got a ghost in.
So first of all, happy Christmas to you and your lovely family.
And secondly, tell everyone, again, where we can find you and see your stuff.
Yeah, unauthorized.tv with Vox Day.
He's a good buddy of mine, solid dude.
He likes you.
Yeah, Vox is great.
Little.tv, where I have everything I've ever done and a bunch of exclusives, the How to Slay a Wizard series, where I really deep dive and analyze the various aspects of the wizard world.
And then OwenBenjamin.com.
So that's got a bunch of my stuff.
And then I'm on Twitter.
And then you can always send me a letter at P.O. Box490 Sandpoint, Idaho, 83864.
Good.
Go back to, is it snowing?
It is up the mountain.
Yeah, and that's why I told my wife I'd watch the kids.
So the two oldest and her can ski.
And me and the little ones are going to have a dance party.
That's great.
Okay.
Well, you enjoy your Christmas.
And great talking to you.
And thank you very much.
Give me my love for the horses and goats and cows and pigs.
And keep hunting those foxes.
Fuck them.
Yeah, before it's, but it's going to be, we're talking a matter of months now, even less.
The government, the non-I mean, they could just be bluffing.
Fuck foxes, by the way.
They're not when they want to take away our freedoms and destroy communities.
I know, but I think they like to exhaust people by like saying they're going to do something and they don't.
And then they say they do and then they don't.
And then they just get people so exhausted that then they just do it in the dead of night.