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Welcome back to the Delling Pod, Alex Kraner.
It's been too long.
How are you?
Yes, it's been a while.
Thank you for having me, James.
Warm greetings to your audience.
And I've been great.
Very busy.
About ridiculously thin.
But I guess it's a sign of the times, you know, stuff is happening with such speed, unpredictability, uncertainty, that just staying on top of news and correspondence is just overwhelming.
Alex, I imagine you've made a mint since I last, because you were saying this is a good opportunity for commodities and things.
Have you made lots of money?
A little bit, but you know, not a lot.
My gambling days are far behind.
You know, I do trade a little bit for sport, but on the side and provided that it doesn't take more than 15 minutes out of my day.
Like that, the 15-minute day.
Money maker.
I'm actually, besides the day work And obviously children and all other things you have in life, practically all of my free time is being absorbed in writing a book.
And so that's, you know, that's one of those nightmarish processes that never seems to end.
But it must at some point.
I'm in one of those.
I'm in one of those.
You'd be horrified if I told you how long my book's been taking me.
When did you start yours?
I started it in 2022.
No, actually, 2023.
Because I had this clever, cunning plan that I was going to publish it on the anniversary, first anniversary of the special military operation in Ukraine.
And I've been falling in one rabbit hole after another ever since.
And I, well, at least last six months, I can see the end, the end at the light of the tunnel.
Yeah.
The light at the end of the tunnel.
Yes, that one.
Yeah.
But, well, we can, yeah, we can talk about that.
Yeah, maybe your timing is, I mean, are people going to buy a book about the special military operation when it's, if it's all over?
I don't know.
We'll see.
But I have to write it.
You know, it's one of those things.
Internal compulsion.
Because I've been paying very close attention to all this since 2013, at least.
And I have this habit of copy-pasting everything from the internet.
You know, I don't copy link.
I copy-paste the whole thing, you know, the articles and everything.
Yeah.
And I download documents so that I have them locally.
And then, you know, when I started this process three years ago, two years ago, I discovered that a lot of those articles just vanished.
They just vanished.
And I was able to trace some of them on the internet archive, but some of them have been completely flushed into the memory hole.
So Winston Smith is real and he's busy.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Who do you think is behind the memory holding of these documents?
What sort of documents are you talking about?
Articles, articles that were written about the coup in Kiev in 2014.
You know, how it came about, things that happened, the involvement of the IMF and so forth, the involvement of John Brennan, the former Swedish prime minister, Carl Bilt, and on and on.
It's like it's an ugly thing.
And the burden of the people in those deaths, that's quite hard to find out, isn't it?
The people who were buried alive.
That as well.
But it's very clear that it was done by the Ukrainian government, but they were really pushed to do it by their Western sponsors and advisors.
And there was like a big carusal of Western advisors flying in and out of Kiev at that time.
And I think that some of them played the key role.
One of them was Biden, Carl Bilt, John Brennan.
But there were many others.
And ultimately, the pressure came from the banking cartels.
Yeah, because it was actually the IMF who was meant to provide a rescue to the new government because they had no money.
They were in a big hole.
And then the IMF said, like, okay, you know, we'll give you a rescue package, but on condition that you take control of the whole country.
And at the time, you know, the south and the east of Ukraine, they were not accepting the new government in Kiev because it wasn't legitimately put in the office.
And basically, 90% of the Donbass supported Viktor Yanukovych, the then president.
So when he was overthrown and the new government came in, these people said like, we didn't vote for you.
We don't recognize your authority.
And you cannot run the place here.
And then the IMF said, like, and because the Donbass is practically 80% of Ukraine's GDP.
So the IMF said, like, oh, yeah, we'll give you all these tens of billions of dollars, but you have to own everything.
And then that's how they planned up the anti-terror operation that took off in May of 2014.
And it had to be staged with a couple of provocations.
So Odessa was just one of them.
There were more.
But in that very short space of time, April, May of 2014, you already had officially over 2,000 casualties of these conflicts between the new regime in Kiev and the people who were not accepting them.
So what were they hoping to achieve?
They thought, what, that by burning people alive in buildings, they would provoke a kind of mini-civil war, which would then, what, resolve itself in favor of the West?
No, I think the idea was to provoke Russia into intervening.
Oh, they wanted that.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, they wanted that.
And, you know, Russia intervened, but not exactly the way they hoped.
You know, I guess the Russians recognized that it was a trap.
So they didn't send the troops over into Ukraine.
Some battalions of volunteers from Russia, you know, as private citizens volunteering to serve in the armed forces of the Donbass, and the Russians sent a lot of, you know, humanitarian aid, probably advisors and so forth, but they didn't send troop as they did in 2008 in Georgia.
And so that, you know, that didn't happen.
And then they went into Geneva negotiations and then Minsk I and then Minsk II.
And then the war was delayed until 2022.
Yes, because Minsk I and Minsk II were peace treaties, which would have, well, apart from anything else, saved a lot of young men being fed into the meat grinder.
Yes.
And that was what Boris Johnson was allegedly paid 1 million pounds to go and sabotage?
Yeah, you know, I don't know about the payments.
You know, he was probably paid on all kinds of deals and stuff.
You know, these people are all incentivized.
But then it helps that they're true believers and, you know, Russophobes from, you know, in their genetic makeup.
So there's definitely a certain racist hatred of Russia that goes back actually centuries, just being perpetuated.
But it's not unique, you know, because There's been wars with France on and on.
And there used to be a time when, you know, France was the most hated nation.
And then there was times when Germany was the most hated nation.
But there is definitely like a warmongering cabal that I expect, I believe that they're philosophical, spiritual.
and strategic headquarters is still to this day the city of London.
But then they have satellites, you know, on Wall Street, Frankfurt, Stockholm, Paris, Tokyo, and so forth.
It's basically the moneylending oligarchy.
And they have a visceral hatred of whoever opposes their diktat and doesn't submit to them.
And so at the moment, Russians are the most hated nation.
It goes back a long way, but I think that this time around, it's come to a head.
And I think that this time around, unlike 70 years ago, unlike 100 years ago, there's a good segment of people in the political class who actually understand what's going on.
Because before they didn't, before they really didn't, they were being seduced into acting against their own interest on account of future friendships, on account of ideology, false narratives about peace in the world, whatever was being sold, but it always somehow led to wars.
And so we one day wake up and we realize, oh my God, we're practically in permanent war.
It's always war.
How is that possible?
Because, you know, we're supposedly democracies and we know that people overwhelmingly oppose war.
Because for an ordinary person, the best they can get out of war is to make it through unharmed.
So there's no upside.
There's no upside whatsoever.
The best possible outcome is that you not be harmed.
And there's a great deal of downside, like losing your life, losing your property, your economy disintegrating, the whole social infrastructure disintegrating, you having to sacrifice your children for causes that you don't really understand exactly.
And we just had the other day the chief of staff of defense forces of France issue a call to French people that they need to prepare for war and that they have to prepare to be ready to sacrifice their children.
And if you ask them, what exactly for?
Are the Russians invaded?
Have they attacked us?
Has anything happened?
Of course not.
It's all narratives about some remote danger that might happen unless we go and kill it first.
And this is, you know, this has been recurring through history every time the oligarchy finds itself in trouble because what they do is they leech off of the economy and they absorb the economy's purchasing power, which means that they're constantly in a very gradual manner so people don't notice it overnight.
But people find themselves increasingly impoverished.
It becomes increasingly difficult to pay the bills.
Cost of living keeps going up.
Then, you know, because the oligarchy is siphoning off wealth from the economy, there's no money for infrastructure.
There's no money for healthcare.
There's no money for education.
There's no money for all the things that people in a democracy want, but for some reason can never get.
Whereas they can always get plenty of what they don't want.
You know, people don't want war, but it's out there in droves, right?
And so I think that this is now becoming apparent.
And we're getting to that point where social pressures are about to boil over.
And then what they have done for centuries, when they realize that social pressures are about to boil over, they say, barbarians at the gates, we have to go fight a war.
And what they do then is they recruit fighting-age males who are exactly the greatest risk factor for them, because this is the people who could fight the revolution against them.
They recruit them all and they send them all to be sacrificed in large numbers in a foreign war on a battlefield far from home.
And so this is, you know, history never ended.
We are still living through history.
And now is the time when they're trying the same playbook again.
Barbarians at the gate, be ready to sacrifice your children.
And then once, if they get their war, if they manage to get their war, then they get to blame everything on the enemy.
There's no food on the shelves.
It's the Russians.
There's no medicine in pharmacies.
Well, you know, it's wartime.
You can't get an appointment with your doctor.
Blame the Russians.
And on and on and on.
And not only that, there's another benefit they get from war.
They get to deal with all opposition the quick and dirty way, because they can always accuse them of being unpatriotic or being, you know, aiding and abetting the enemy, of being enemy agents, and the people disappear.
And so you know, for for them, war is the gift that keeps on giving, not to mention the enormous billions upon billions they get laundered through uh, you know, weapons deals and and and military procurement and all of it.
So they make a huge deal of money, they get to eliminate their opposition and they get to destroy a large segment of the male fighting age population in their societies, who are a risk to them in case a revolution or a civil war breaks out at home.
I agree with everything you've said and it it accords totally with my recent reading, which is, i've been reading about the origins of the first and the second World Wars and it's very sorry, Jim Mcgregor and A Dowd, that that one yeah yeah yeah yeah um, and it's it's it's, it's clear beyond any doubt that the, the first two World Wars and, and the current one uh,
were planned by these people of whom you speak bankers, I mean the, the the First World War was was started, as you know, by something called the Milner group.
But we know the names of well, the name of lord lord Milner, and we know that Alfred Milner, as he was then, and we know that Cecil Roads was involved and we know that was it Alfred Rothschild at the time, I think um was, was.
Yeah, there was Alfred and who you know, to whom the Balfour declaration was uh addressed, but there was also his son, uh Nathan, who was uh, who was more hands-on involved, and there was uh, of course, king George The Seventh in the run-up to war and then, uh later, George V. Yeah, yeah, Edward VII and then George V who continued the policy.
Sir Edward Gray, Haldane, Asquith.
But ultimately, it's a small handful of men.
Yes.
And then they had their co-conspirators, another small handful of men in Paris.
and another small handful of men in St. Petersburg, and another small handful of men in Belgium and in Serbia.
And in New York, let's not forget.
Oh, yes, of course, of course, in New York as well.
Yeah.
And so that's how the war was cooked up.
And then World War II, similar, maybe somewhat more complex, but similar story.
War in the Balkans in the 1990s, very similar story.
The current war in Ukraine, very similar story.
And it just keeps going on.
And I think that until you, well, actually, you know, I kind of lately, reading history, I got the impression that if you quarantined this little cabal somehow in the city of London, that probably 90% of all conflicts plaguing humanity today would just die down.
There would be no reason for them.
Certainly.
I think maybe 95%.
Ashi, can you just tell me briefly about the Balkan wars?
Because I mean, obviously you've got a dog in this fight because being from that part of the world.
But who started them and why?
What was the point?
Okay, so who started them and why?
It's not an easy answer, right?
But I could tell you who made sure that peace didn't break out.
I think that these interests maybe had one or two changes of heart as the war continued.
At first, I think that it was becoming clear that the country of former Yugoslavia was going to fall apart.
And I think that they wanted to keep it as a unitary state, but they wanted, because they had influence in Belgrade, they wanted Belgrade to kind of take over by force.
Not dissimilar to the situation we had in Ukraine when they told Kiev, okay, take control of the whole country.
But at that same time, you know, other republics like Slovenia, Croatia, in particular, they wanted a different format.
They wanted like a confederation of independent states.
And Belgrade was saying no.
And they had full and complete support from London.
And in particular, we're talking about Lord Carrington, Lord David Owen.
Carrington again.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
He was next level evil.
He was behind the troubles.
Exactly.
He was a busy bee.
But, you know, as you say, next level evil, but they were always presented in the media as these fine, sophisticated gentlemen with the best of intentions, you know.
And so, well, you know, we were exposed to the very same media and we got the wrong picture.
And I was one of those, let's call it, trusting young men who volunteered to serve in the military at the time.
And it took decades to start realizing what had actually happened.
And so, you know, the war in Croatia and the war in Bosnia were deliberately orchestrated and provoked.
The Serbs were, well, let's say a group around Milosevic were the instigator, but then they also threw in immigrants, emigrees, particularly from Canada, who then made sure that they, you know, they, when the one side attacked, that the other side didn't respond with attempts to broker peace or anything, but that they went immediately into a fight.
So, you know, once the thing explodes, it just goes.
It's hard to control it from that.
So there were, you know, there were actors on both sides coordinated, but both, you know, for example, Milosevic, most people don't know, they think like he was a Serbian nationalist.
Not much, you know, he was he was put into the role to play that game.
And he spent before he went back to Serbia when he started agitating in the late 1980s.
He spent four years in New York, where he was a banker.
That should sound familiar, you know, that's like kind of like Trotsky-ish, same story.
And then after spending four times in New York, where indubitably he was prepared for his future role, and not only that, he was recruited to go to New York by the brothers Stambolic, who were the grey eminences behind the Yugoslavian National Bank.
So, well, you know, we don't know a lot about this, but we know a little bit by now, enough to understand that something really important was decided there.
So then he comes back, I think, in 86 or 87 to Serbia.
He becomes the president of the Serbian Socialist Party, and he immediately starts agitating for war.
That is, not immediately for war overtly, but you know, suddenly the military budget gets increased.
They start introducing new sales taxes.
So they introduced like a new sales tax of 3% for the military.
We were not under attack from anywhere.
But suddenly they started adding like 3% on every transaction.
You know, if you bought a pack of bubblegum, it went up 3%.
And that 3% went to the military budget, preparing for war.
Anyway, so that's how it happened.
And funny enough, it's happening again.
You know, it was about to be provoked in the Balkans again.
Okay?
But something changed.
And this is really important.
Because I've written several articles about the events in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
This is not a household name, but it's where World War I was detonated, right?
The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in Sarajevo.
Bosnia and Herzegovina is in the heart of the Balkans three constituent peoples Croats who are Catholic Serbs who are Orthodox Christians and Bosniaks who are Muslims So it's like a nice powder keg that, you know, if you shake it up properly, it can blow up and it can easily draw in Serbia and Croatia and Hungary.
And then ultimately, you know, if Croatia is a NATO member country, and so is Hungary.
If they get drawn in, then the whole of NATO might get drawn in.
If everybody gangs up on Serbia, as was intended, then Russia cannot remain neutral.
And we had, you know, in London, the military think tank Russi, Royal United Services Institute, published a document where they said that the Balkans would inevitably be the second front in West's war against Russia.
So that was the idea.
Let's shake it up.
Let's draw in NATO.
Russia will have to get involved.
And then we have the second front.
But the problem with the second front, James, is that it can easily have the same effect as in World War I, that it would turn very quickly into a general war on the European continent, meaning, you know, like you would have World War II.
World War I was 40 million casualties.
This is what they're playing with.
And people in Bosnia, you know, I heard from Serbian politicians, I heard from Croatian politicians who said that it's the British who are doing it because Sarajevo was crawling with British, you know, diplomats, intelligence people, PR people, NGOs, private corporations.
I could name names, but they were widely perceived as exacerbating tensions between the three people and particularly antagonizing the Serbian entity there, Republika Srpska.
But then it all died down when Donald Trump took over, believe it or not.
And so I've been hearing this, but, you know, it's what people tell you.
It's hearsay.
Three weeks ago, I had the opportunity to meet one of the government, one of the members of the cabinet of Republika Srpska.
So I asked him, first person, I said, is it true that things changed since Trump came into the office?
And he was very categorical.
He said, like, oh, yes, absolutely.
It's dramatically better.
The tensions have died down.
And he said, quote, it's like the difference is like day and night.
And a Croatian politician said, not to me, but in an interview that I listened, he said that it's like living on a different planet since Trump came to power.
And so what emerged is that, A, the Russians exerted pressure on Republika Srpska not to break away because this fall they were going to hold a referendum to separate from Bosnia and Herzegovina to become an independent country.
That would have precipitated a war.
Okay, that was widely expected to start a war.
And so the Russians told them, no, don't do it.
Stay within the framework of the Dayton Accords from, you know, 1995.
And so they kind of stopped there.
But then they had the elections because the Sarajevo government decided that the current government in Republika Srpsa had to go.
And it's not a democratic institution.
There's a viceroy in Sarajevo who like practically runs the place like a private fiefdom.
And so he was saying like, no, you have no right.
And so that was a problem.
Well, then they finagled, they held new elections.
Milora Dodic, who was the president of Republika Srpska and who's very popular there, he appointed his man as a new candidate.
And his election slogan is, his name is Karan, Sinisha Karan.
He said like a vote for Karan is a vote for Dodic.
So basically, Dodic kind of removed himself to comply with Sarajevo diktet, but he put his own men there.
So they've complied and they've delayed the referendum for at least another year.
So the powder keg has been diffused obviously in a cooperation between the Trump administration and the Putin government.
And so a very important story, but it's not on anybody's radar.
No.
They've prevented World War III from breaking out in the Balkans again, like in 1914.
That is extraordinary, Alex.
I didn't know any of this.
Yeah, I know, because our media in the West are pretending like it's not happening.
What they did do is last year and at the beginning of this year, they ran a campaign demonizing Milora Dodic, the president of the Serbian entity there,
because they wanted to eliminate them, because he was an obstacle, because they thought that if they could remove him and force him to, you know, force the Serbs to say, okay, enough, we've had this, we've had it, and we're going to secede, they could have triggered the war thereby.
But, you know, while the demonization campaign was diffused and distributed through the media, all of these events were not.
So people have no idea that actually Trump and Putin played a very positive role and that they, for the time being, they spared us World War III from breaking out in the heart of Europe.
I don't know where you are on Trump.
I mean, I don't consider him a good guy.
They're all in it together, aren't they?
All the leaders.
Would you agree with me on that?
I don't know.
I'm very circumspect.
Trump is making his best to give everyone exactly that impression.
His conduct is seemingly chaotic and definitely bullish and vulgar.
And in some cases, it's absolutely revolting.
But I'm getting the impression that he's doing this on purpose, that he is deliberately scandalizing the public as a distraction while certain important policy moves are being made behind the smokescreen.
So, you know, like while everybody's discussing things he said or some of the things that he did, you know, I give him a huge amount of credit for simply picking up the phone in February and calling up Vladimir Putin because that bilateral relation between Russia and the United States, you know, two nuclear superpowers, is far and away the most important one for the future of peace in the world.
And the Biden administration for three years never even spoke with the Russians, with their Russian counterparts.
European diplomats are still refusing to speak with the Russians.
This is extremely, you know, in one of the previous governments, there was a German foreign minister.
His name was Sigmar Gabriel, I think, in 21 or so, or 2019, I forget.
But he basically said that the completely shattered relationship between Russia and the United States is far and away the greatest risk for humanity today.
And so the fact that Trump called up Putin in February and that the United States and Russia are now in talks, that they have diplomatic relations, that there's a exchange of notes and ideas and at least sincere attempts to find peace Is extremely important, and Trump has done it, and Biden hasn't.
Yeah, and I yeah, go ahead.
That was very obvious.
There was never going to be peace during Biden's administration.
And of course, you had people like Victoria Newland in the State Department massively ramping up.
They wanted, for ancestral reasons apart from everything else, they wanted they because they're Khazarians, they wanted war, they wanted to destroy Russia.
Right, and they and they draw their roots from Ukraine with these overtly fascistic ideals that they've embraced.
Yeah.
But I think you probably agree that, okay, so maybe the city of London is the ground zero of all evil.
But the city of London and America are adjoined at the hip.
And when we talk about the city of London, aren't we really talking about banking interests?
And if we're talking about banking interests, it is essentially the Rothschilds control everything.
I mean, in America, they own J.P. Morgan.
They controlled, if J.P. Morgan was a Rothschild creation, they pretended they didn't have involvement.
They had proxies to take over America.
Yes.
And I'm not saying that everything is down to the Rothschilds, but it's got to be a lot of Rothschild in there, has it not?
I'm sure that there is.
I'm sure that there is.
So, Ergo, given that Rothschild is also JP Morgan, is also the Federal Reserve, is also everything in America.
What we're basically talking about is they're all connected.
So we know that US presidents don't get elected, they get selected.
There's no way that Trump is going to be permitted by this cabal to go freelance and do wonderful things because he's a maverick.
I mean, if he's now generated with peace with Russia, that presumably is part of the plan.
They've had their blood sacrifice, they've done what they needed to do, and now they're going to move on to the next thing.
Yeah, I actually am not sure that this is the case because, you know, the control that these bankers exercise over society is never airtight.
You know, it's never total, and you always have opposition.
And you have opposition for a reason because if they ran any nation completely under their control, the result would every time be what happened to the Western Roman Empire, which means absolute and controlled and complete destruction.
You know, when the Western Roman Empire collapsed, the markets disappeared.
There was no more money in circulation, none.
The place went back to barter.
The place went back basically to the Dark Ages, and even manufacture of very simple items like pottery, nails, roof tiles completely vanished.
So you had to have Western Europe remained for another four centuries just basically local communities that had to be completely self-sufficient.
The paved floors inside houses vanished completely from the archaeological record.
People lived in mud huts.
That's where it goes.
And so you always have part of the oligarchy that understands that this model of governance is the road to perdition.
It's the highway to perdition.
and that everything is going to go tits up.
And so then you get opposition, which is real.
And we had opposition in Rome.
We had a lot of opposition in Rome, usually coming from the oligarchy itself, like the Gracchi brothers, like Catalin, like Julius Caesar.
But usually these people get killed.
Not only them, you know, every time there was one of these conspiracies to reform the system, the Roman Senate would send out their Praetorian guards and their death squads.
They would kill the conspirator, both Gracchi brothers, Julius Caesar.
They were either ostracized or killed, usually killed.
And then they would slaughter their supporters in their thousands to completely eliminate.
And then if nothing else worked, you had barbarians at the gate, everybody, you know, go defend the homeland.
And now, you know, I think that Trump may well be a reincarnation of the, I mean, not literally, but, you know, in terms of historical patterns, a reincarnation of one of these reactions, because it's not just him.
He's the frontman.
There's a whole network of interest.
I'm certain of it.
And ultimately, if you trace this network of interest, you're going to find your way back to a different banking cabal.
Let's say network.
And they're backing them, you know.
And I think that Trump, for his part, is playing this role, which I wrote an article a few months ago called The Education of Donald Trump.
And I was a guy named Ian Burlingame, you know him, he alerted me to this because he said, you know, I think that Trump's playing dumb.
And I think that he learned this from the guy named Vincent Gigante.
Vincent the Chin Gigante.
He was...
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen Climate Gate.
So I give you the background to the skull juggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find it right.
Just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother God.
There we go.
It's a scam.
And I was a guy named Ian Berlingame, you know him.
He alerted me to this because he said, you know, I think that Trump's playing dumb.
And I think that he learned this from the guy named Vincent Gigante, Vincent the Chin Gigante.
He was the head of the Genovese family in New York, Italian mob, right?
And he was able to avoid law enforcement in New York for 15 years by playing dumb.
So he was literally walking around the streets of New York in slippers, in a bathrobe, and muttered to himself.
He really impersonated a loony.
So the law enforcement were, well, it can't be him.
Obviously, it's not him.
Look, he's a complete lunatic.
And then, you know, this all unraveled in the early 2000s.
So they started the proceedings against him in like, I think, 1997.
And then by 2003, he had to finally admit that him playing a loony was a ruse.
And then, you know, they put him in prison and he died, I think, in 2005.
But this was all happening on Donald Trump's watch.
And the lawyer who was defending Vincent Gigante, I think, had a close relationship with Donald Trump.
I think some sort of mentorship.
And so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there's something of this nature in Donald Trump's behavior, that he's deliberately scandalizing people and deliberately pretending to be boarish and unsophisticated.
But I think that the people around him, he's playing his role, but that the people around him are actually sophisticated people who know what they're doing.
And I have a direct testimony to back this up.
Namely, a man named Slavin Raguz, who is a Croatian representative in the government of in the federal government of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
So not the Serbian entity, but the other federation consisting of Serbian and of Muslim and Croatian cantons.
He was summoned to Washington, D.C. for a debriefing with the State Department.
And so he went there.
I think it was February this year or something like this.
And he went there.
He thought, all right, I'm going to have to explain to people where Bosnia is on the map and who are the Croats and who are the Snerds and all of these things.
I was like, okay, whatever.
So off he went and he said he was stunned that these people knew exactly what was going on.
He didn't need to tell them anything.
They knew.
And, you know, this is Donald Trump's cabinet.
So I think that the scandalizing, boorish, crazy shit that's on the facade is on the facade for a variety of reasons and for different constituencies.
But the, you know, diffusing the powder keg in Bosnia could not have happened by accident.
You know, it's not like, you know, if a tornado blows through a junkyard, it's not going to randomly assemble a car or anything, right?
It's just going to be mess on top of other mess.
To diffuse this powder keg and prevent war from breaking out, you had to know that there's a problem and you had to act on it with purpose and with an understanding of the situation.
And this is what happened.
It's not me telling you.
This is what happened for sure.
Not a conspiracy, not a fake story, a real story.
But nobody's talking about it in the media for whatever reason, because Bosnia is not that important.
You know, there's Ukraine, there's the Middle East, there's Venezuela.
It's all very sensational.
Nobody's talking about Bosnia, but something very important happened there.
And Trump or his administration played a very important and positive role in it.
Well, they're talking about it in the only media that counts, Alex, which is the deling pod.
Exactly.
An exclusive.
Yeah, so the MSM.
We don't care about the MSM.
I do love talking.
This is one of the reasons I love talking to you, Alex.
Before we started the show, I was saying, do you prefer to be called Sasha, as is the sort of the Slavic way with people called Alexander?
And you said, no, Alex is what I'm known as generally.
but i think really you should be called pollyanna because now you see you see you make you make a no i tell you what you make a very good case for a degree of optimism i I don't listen to you and I don't think this guy is away with the fairness.
He hasn't a clue.
do make a persuasive intellectual case um you're you're kind of the the yin to the yang have you ever come across rurik skywalker no No, no.
No, Rurik Skywalker has a...
I mean, I'm familiar with the name.
I know that they're like, are they on X or something like this?
He's on Substack.
Oh, he's on Substack.
But he doesn't really kind of admit this too much.
He's got a dog in the fights because he is of Ukrainian origin.
But his line is, you don't understand.
Russia is completely screwed.
Putin is working for the enemy.
He's deliberately losing this war.
You're an idiot.
If you come to Moscow, as I did, by the way, the other day, I spent a week in Moscow and I loved it.
I will tell you about that.
Cool.
Yeah, nice.
And you're an idiot.
Just because you went down the Balshaya Nikolitz Skya and you found the restaurants were buzzing, you think that means that the Russian economy is doing well.
It's not.
Oh, and by the way, Jesus isn't real.
He's kind of the opposite of Apollyan.
He's very, very negative.
And he makes you feel bad for, for example, the position that you and I share on this war in Ukraine, which was very clearly started by the West, provoked by the West, in the same way that the West or the deep state, whatever you want to call them, provoked the First and Second World War.
I mean, I was looking at what happened In the run-up to 2022, in the light of what I'd read about how the Western deep state, the Milner Group, provoked the First World War and then the Second World War.
It's so similar.
They goaded Putin and goaded him and goaded him.
They made it impossible for him not to begin what you and I would probably call the special military operation, and the entirety of the Western media would call evil invasion by blood-stained putler.
And the propaganda that we have been fed, I'll give you an example of this.
One of my main concerns coming back from Russia for obvious reasons was that I was going to get stopped by the security services for detained under, I think it's called Section 7.
They did it to George Galloway.
It gives them the right.
I mean, this is successive governments have introduced this so-called anti-terror legislation, which is completely draconian, it's amoral, it's not what you would expect of a liberal democracy, but then liberal democracy is a fantasy anyway.
But anyway, they have the right to detain you for, I think, five hours, six hours.
You are obliged to have no right to remain silent.
You're obliged to answer all their questions.
They confiscate all your electronic equipment.
So they take away your laptop and your telephone, your telephone, which is what undid a poor silly sod who worked for reform.
Was he an MEP, I think, or a an he recently got an extraordinarily long sentence, I think 10 years for bribery.
Basically, this reform, this non-entity had been obviously subbed by the Russians, I think to the tune of about 40 grand, to ask questions favourable to the Russian cause.
And he got put away for 10 years for bribery.
Well, this case is a complete stitch-up.
No way does anyone deserve.
I mean, who listens to a reform guy anyway?
Do you think it really moved the dial?
I think the Russians were the losers in this particular case by giving this guy 40 grand.
But they did, and money was exchanged.
But the guy should not be inside for 10 years.
But that's the kind of thing they found that information by going through confiscating his equipment.
Anyway, so I was at the airport, a foreign airport, on my way to England, and I got talking to the people in the queue next to me, just ordinary British people.
And I said, oh, yeah, I'm a bit nervous because I think, you know, what's going to happen when I get to the other side?
Is that I'm going to see policemen with guns.
I'm going to be carted off to a room and interrogated for five hours.
And they said, well, what have you done?
Like, oh, we must be guilty if armed police are coming to get you.
And I said, well, I've just been to Moscow for a week.
And they said, they looked at me like I was a, I'd said I'm into kiddie porn or something.
And they looked at me and they said, well, I suppose you must have had a good reason for being there.
And I was thinking, fuck you.
Why would I need a good reason?
Who are you to judge me like this?
But anyway, I said, yeah, I was invited by the Moscow Patriarchate to see the Orthodox Church at work and stuff.
And they clearly felt that Russia and Putin were such evil entities that merely by going there, I had tainted myself and let down the country and frankly deserved to be arrested when I got to the UK border.
These are just ordinary sort of middle, middle class people on their holiday.
They've been so propagandized by the Daily Mail, by the BBC, by the by the Ukraine flags on the side of flying from churches and all the propaganda.
That's where we are.
Yeah, people need to read history.
people need to read history, people need to...
Alex, just one thing on that.
People need to read history.
That book that we've been referring to, Two World Wars and Hitler, who controls the historians?
Who owns the historians?
Yes, exactly.
Who appoints that all the Oxford professors, history professors, are in on the act.
Yes.
So it's not real history.
So how can you read real history?
Well, you know, because we have people like Jim McGregor and others and Carol Quigley and apart from conspiracy theorists, you know that.
Same with Anthony Sutton.
We know them.
And Lido Jacobo preparata.
There are some brilliant, amazing books out there.
And, you know, we have this thing called internet and social media and podcasts, which we never had before.
Yeah, so we just need to keep talking about it and hopefully get through to the people.
So when the choice comes, when somebody says, oh, you have to go sacrifice your children because Russians are coming, the people say, no, you're lying and I'm not giving you my children.
Because, you know, if they have control of the narrative, then English children might end up under English flags or British flags, like the children of the Ukrainians, over a million of them.
What's very interesting reading that book is realizing the degree to which the British public was in the run-up to 1914, they were pro-German, very anti, anti-war.
As war was breaking out, the British, even a lot of MPs were very much against it.
It was, as you say, a tiny, tiny clique that managed to move the dial by manipulating everything.
So what gives you the confidence?
You said at the beginning in your polyanner-ish way, that you felt that this time people were waking up.
Are you seeing this?
Yeah, I am saying this.
I think that, you know, today, for the first time, I mean, not today, but I mean, these last 20 years, for the first time ever in history of humanity, we have the internet.
And to my mind, the internet is the transition between having no internet and internet is like going from like a sponge to an organism that actually has a nervous system.
If you believe in evolution, which we don't, of course.
Well, of course not.
It's nonsense.
But, you know, it's very, very difficult for them to control the narrative because once upon a time, we literally depended on newspapers and radio and television to understand what's going on in the world around us.
And today that's no longer the case.
And even if you listen to them, you know, people at Davos, people who are in power today, they are vexed to no end about what they call misinformation and disinformation because they're not managing to control the narrative.
And then whatever this conspiracy in the United States is, we got X.
We got X, which has been preserved as still an arena of free speech.
It's not perfect, but it's way, way better than it was under the previous, I forget the guy's name, Jack, Jack, no, Jack, whatever.
Yeah, thingy.
Yeah, Jack.
And then we have substance.
And so this makes a real difference.
And, you know, somebody's backing this up.
And I think that they don't want the world to go to nuclear annihilation.
And so there's real, I think there's real opposition.
And can I meet you on this one, Alex?
Because look, they're all evil.
Elon Musk, his bloodline families, his bloodlines.
They are all the satanic elite.
He will have participated in unspeakable rituals which involve children being ripped to shreds.
They're called the 13-year-old rituals.
I've heard this from a kind of insider in the Satanic.
The world is controlled by the mothers of darkness and by the satanic brotherhood, they sometimes call themselves.
And whether it's the Jews or the Jesuits or the Freemasons, they're all part of this overarching satanic structure.
Elon Musk is one of them.
So these people are not our friends.
But where I'm going to meet you halfway is I'm prepared to accept that these people, these evil people, have made the calculation that they can't push it as far as the really evil ones want because the collapse of the Roman Empire, the example that you gave.
I think, but the idea that there are actual white hats looking after our interests, like treating us like humans rather than the cattle, I'm not going to buy.
They're not, none of them are like that.
You see, that I don't know.
You may be right, or you, or there may be white hats.
I mean, you know, that's like kind of like, does God exist?
Obviously, he does.
Well, yes, but you know, in this sense, you might have good people out there.
You might have genuinely good people who genuinely want good things.
We don't know.
But, you know, it would have to be an article of faith to say, no, that is not so.
You know, it's like if somebody said, no, God doesn't exist.
Well, you can't say that, really, because you don't know that.
You can't.
There's no way for you to know that.
And then, you know, when it comes to Elon Musk and Trump and whoever, yes, you know, they had ancestors who may have been like this and like that, for sure.
But that doesn't mean that they are, you know, the system is not uniform and it's not along.
It's not as Baffermet, Alex.
I know, I know.
Fancy dress.
They don't do that.
I know that I have to say that threw me off, but I can think of more than one explanation for that.
So I kind of had to put it into the agnostic file.
When did you last go to a fancy dress party dressed as one of the situations?
Yeah, you know, I can't actually, I can't even tolerate to be disguised as anything.
I've done it a few times and I always felt like shit and I didn't have fun and I had to leave the party.
It's my eyes wise shut, isn't it?
It's creepy.
Yeah, but whatever, you know, I can, maybe I can, for the kicks, I can put a mustache on, you know, like stick a mustache on.
I think that's funny.
But, you know, if I go disguised as something, I kind of feel like I hate this.
I have to get out of here.
But anyway, you know, if you go into the history of the Kennedy family, then you find that, you know, their father was not exactly a good guy.
And their grandfather was quite a scumbag, but that doesn't mean that John John F. Kennedy.
And you know, like everybody, everybody that's here doing shit is a human being first.
And everything else later, you know, first you're a human being and then you're a Jew or a Muslim or a Freemason or a Jesuit or whatever.
So somewhere at your core, somewhere at the very essence of who you are, you're a God's creation.
And there's got to be something redeeming about you.
And then, you know, is it a stretch to think some of these people might actually get moved by beautiful poetry, by beautiful music, by nice things, by kindness between people, and they might actually want to see more of that in the world.
And they might actually want their children to grow up in a world where there's peace, prosperity, more kindness, where people, instead of being sacrificed in large number in trenches in foreign wars, actually spend time sculpting, painting, writing symphonies and operas and writing books and so forth.
I don't think we have to say, no, that doesn't exist because it cannot, they must all be evil.
We can't know that any more than people who say there's no God, you know, atheists, say there is no God.
You don't know that.
Okay, I concede your point.
I'm saying it ex cathedra, but it doesn't mean that I'm right.
It's just my personal hunch, and I can't prove they're all bad.
It's true.
Yeah.
So this is why you have to ask yourself, what if the good guys exist?
If that's the case, then smearing them all with the same broad brush as evil bastards would be a sin.
It would not be right.
So there has to be at least an agnostic position on this.
Okay.
Buy their fruits.
I've seen too much of the machinations of James.
We've been living in that matrix probably for 2,000 years.
Longer, probably since the beginning.
I don't know, but you know, like, let's call it 2,500 years since the time of Greek antiquity.
Something went, you know, we took the wrong turn somewhere.
And then it perpetuated itself through Rome, probably through the Vatican, Venice, Dutch Empire, Spanish Empire, British Empire, today's whatever the hell this is, American Empire.
It's kind of always the same, the same age.
And so, you know, if it's always been like that for so many generations, for 100 generations, then I think that it's almost natural to think like it's never going to be any different.
But, you know, there was an Egyptian religion that maintained itself for 3,000 years, which was different.
There was the kingdom of Cordoba, which remained for 800 years, which was different.
There were other civilizations, India, China, Japan, American, three great American civilizations that we know very little about it because every time the western the western man came and conquered, they made sure to destroy all records.
So, you know, kingdom of Cordoba was right there in the heart of Europe.
It was by far the most prosperous corner of Europe for 800 years.
And after the Reconquista, the Christians made sure to burn all the archives, everything.
So all we know about it is like the little bit that the Jews preserved, because for them that was, they call this, they call that period the conviviencia because they were they lived in peace.
They were not persecuted there as they were persecuted in Christian world.
I'm going to have to look up this.
This is a new rabbit hole for me that I'm unaware.
There's so many rabbit holes, but you know, we are captives of a particularly pathogenic system that was created around the it was created by and for the benefit of banking oligarchies.
That was the case in Greece.
The banking oligarchs were people who killed Julius Caesar.
You know, Brutus, et II Brutus, he was a rapacious moneylender.
Was he?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
A violently rapacious moneylender who laid siege to a, I forget what island in the Eastern Mediterranean because they tried to negotiate down his repayment schedule and he starved practically the whole town until they submitted.
And five people of the government of that town died of starvation under that siege.
It was really ugly.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
Okay, yeah.
Well, of course, we get we're so these historical figures are they enter our consciousness through the kind of the propaganda of various kinds that's been written about them, don't they?
So you've got, I mean, reading Shakespeare, who obviously wasn't Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, you don't think of Julius Caesar as being particularly great guy, do you?
You don't think?
Well, yeah, because that history has also been obscured from us.
Do you know that when Penguin Classics published a translation of Livy's Civil War, which is practically the only source we have about the Punic Wars, you know, between Rome and Carthage, there were two or three paragraphs that were omitted from the translation.
This is what I like to hear, yes.
And the reason why they omitted it is because it kind of gives you the reason.
And the reason was because Rome was reeling under the weight of unpayable debts.
They airbrushed the debt dimension, which tells you that it was the bankers who instigated that war, just as they do today, just as they did in Napoleonic times, just as they did for the last 2,000 years, practically every war ever fought.
Tell me where you got this.
Not that I'm disputing what you're saying.
economist Michael Hudson published, I think, two or three years ago, a book called The Fall of Antiquity.
And this is, you know, this thing about the, that's where I learned about it.
But this thing is a known thing because It triggered a bit of a controversy, and then there was a bit of back and forth.
Why did you omit these two passages, whatever, however, many was, why did you take them out?
And then there were, I think it was Oxford, you know, they were like, oh, well, you know, we felt that it wasn't really relevant, that it kind of like too much information, too many words, you know.
But we decided to take that out.
Yeah, exactly.
This was sorry, you're saying it's the Penguin edition.
Yeah, it was Penguin Classics.
When was this?
I don't know exactly when it was, but I know when I read it, it was two years ago.
It is no wonder they want us to watch why they started trying to make us read Kindles and things, all these electronic books, because they didn't want this.
Because they can actually take stuff out of your Kindle while you sleep.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you've got to go back.
There are all these old books out there, but of course, they, the Forces of Darkness, they're onto this.
So they go through the second-hand bookshops slowly taking out texts that might be of use to us.
Yeah.
It's hard.
It's hard being a freedom fighter in a world controlled by.
It is, you know, it is hard, but it's not impossible.
And look, we all grew up celebrating this shit.
You know, the Star Wars, the Jedi's.
Oh, I see what you mean.
Harry Potter.
You're not going to tell me that George Lucas is a good guy.
No, But the story, you know, the story, it's always, we celebrate the underdog fighting the great empire, the dark, great, ugly, evil empire, right?
The Lord of the Rings trilogy.
It's always, it's basically, it's always the same thing.
It clearly appeals to us.
We celebrate these heroes who, you know, fight Saint George slaying the dragon.
Well, here we are, you know, and still so many of us are like, no, Empire is great.
You know, you're a conspiracy theorist theorist and you're talking nonsense.
Fall into line and sacrifice your children.
Alex, do you know very much?
When I was a young man in my sort of university era, I thought the British Empire was great and I thought Britain was great and I thought that my social class was meant to rule the world and it was great.
I mean, the programming is strong.
Yes.
The programming strong.
I apologize to the world for having thought those thoughts.
I don't think they're now.
But James, we all did.
I volunteered to serve in the army.
I would never do that again.
And I would never, I would tell my children, whatever you do in life, don't fall for jingoism and don't go fight a war.
Yeah, did it shape your character?
Did it shape my character?
I don't think so.
I was 25 when I went.
I wasn't a young kid.
So I knew at least at that level what I was getting into.
I didn't.
You know, like I kind of lived through the experience almost like I took myself out and I was like, wow, this is an adventure that I'll be able to tell about if I live.
And I almost like watched it as a movie.
Like, oh, look, look at life happening to me.
And so that was like a crutch to keep my sanity.
And then, you know, fortunately, I never shot at anybody.
Phew.
And nobody ever shot at me.
That is, I only came once under fire, and that was friendly fire.
And I was like, you assholes, hold the fire, it's me.
And that was it.
So I didn't come out of it traumatized.
Yeah.
Well, I'm glad.
I'm very glad you're here.
By the way, at the beginning, I interrupted your discourse on the origins and development of the special military operations.
So we got to Minsk 1 and Minsk 2.
By the way, you mentioned Brennan.
John Brennan was the...
You're saying he's in it up to the neck in this whole skullduggery.
Yeah.
Because he was, as well as being the head of the CIA, he is deep into the satanic elite.
Oh, he's a major player.
Yeah.
They give.
Yeah, Brennan, yeah, absolutely.
There are certain names that come up, and he's definitely one of them.
So it doesn't surprise me.
And I'm glad you know about Carrington, by the way.
Carrington.
I didn't know about Lord Owen, but it would not surprise me at all that he was a baddie.
Well, you know, I don't know.
I don't know.
Because Lord Owen, I watched an interview with him.
I think maybe it was recorded just a few years ago.
So he was already an old man.
And it seemed to me during that interview that he was full of remorse about his role there.
But, you know, he played the role.
He was, you know, like Lawrence of Arabia.
He played the role.
And then afterwards, he was full of remorse because I think they prepare these people.
They brainwash them.
They tell them that they're fighting for a good cause.
And then, you know, maybe it takes them years to realize that they were like a cog in a very in a very bad, ugly machine.
And then they're like, oh, shit, you know, that was me.
Well, Lawrence of Arabia's no shit moment can't have been helped by the fact that the Turks, I think, removed part of his penis.
Did they?
Yeah, yeah.
I think so.
I didn't know.
Yeah, they certainly mutilated him horribly.
So that wouldn't have been very easy to do.
know that um so we've yeah so just as in world war one just as in World War II the west by which we mean not us not the not the the the the free peoples of the west but the the secret elites um provoked a war with Russia.
They wanted Russia to come in, which Putin did eventually.
Did they actually want it to develop into a full-on war with the West?
Or was it always going to be a proxy war where the West?
I think that their best case scenario was toppling of the Putin regime in Moscow.
And then, you know, if they managed to put some new Boris Yeltsin into the Kremlin, you know, Juan Guido, Maria Kurina Machado, always the same thing.
You know, you put your guy in there who lets you run the country.
That would have been the best case scenario.
So they didn't necessarily want a massive, devastating war.
I think that they wanted to take over Russia.
And why?
Because Russia, for them, first of all, is the key to the Eurasian landmass, you know, who controls Eastern Europe, controls the world, ultimately.
And so for them, the ultimate big prize was control over all of Eurasia.
But Russia in itself, you know, is the world's largest treasure trove of natural resources.
Do forgive me 10 seconds, James.
Things are getting a little bit out of control here.
Right back.
That was great.
That was very impressive.
So, anyway.
i ask you just briefly on while i've got a gap when i was in moscow um i asked somebody about you remember that incident where some russian russian military guy turned his tanks on on towards moscow and they were heading towards moscow yeah Oh, like a German guy.
Are you talking about the company?
What about this crew on Putin?
One of his generals or his guy leading in charge of the sort of that mercenary outfit.
Wait, wait, wait.
That's the Wagner guy.
Yeah, the Wagner guy.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, I think that was complete total theater.
That doesn't make any sense.
That whole story didn't make any sense whatsoever.
It didn't make sense to me either.
And I thought that the guy in Moscow was going to say to me, yeah, it was complete bollocks.
There was never any problem.
They told me, and, you know, who knows?
It could be.
They told me that policemen were being told, go and get your guns out and you've got to be ready to, this is.
This is serious.
You know, one thing to appreciate is that because somebody's sitting in Moscow and maybe somebody's sitting in Kiev doesn't necessarily mean that they understand the situation better than you do.
Yeah, because very often domestic populations are also subjected to a particular kind of brainwash.
You know, maybe to prevent panic, maybe to prevent people from getting too hysterical about certain things.
You know, it's very important to governments everywhere to try to maintain a calm and stability inside of their societies.
And so in Russia, everywhere, they are kind of careful about what they let into the public information sphere, right?
So if they were going to stage this kind of diversion, whatever it was, they were not going to tell their people, oh, don't worry about any of this.
It's all bullshit.
We're just doing it for this and that reason.
They're going to do it for real.
And like, for example, I know as a fact that the Russians knew that the pandemic was not real.
Yes.
Well, they're everywhere.
Well, yeah, but you know, I mean, the Russian government and they knew it was, they treated it as a very important geopolitical event.
But nevertheless, they ran the whole thing as if they believed.
Why?
You know, they went with the risk.
Why?
It's a complex story, but here's why.
Because they understood that this was an attempt by Western oligarchy to take over the world.
Now, how would they do that?
You know, you had a pandemic, restrictions, vaccines, vaccine certificates.
Now, the important thing about vaccine certificates is that you as an individual, you have to present it, right?
But that little QR code that you present then goes to some server somewhere.
And on that server, there's a switch that says yes or no, pass or no pass.
And then it gets back to your phone, and then you can maybe board a plane or enter a train or a restaurant and so forth.
So the control over this infrastructure, the permitting was the key.
And so this is where they would attach all of their conditionalities.
Oh, are you up to date on all your vaccines?
Yes, no, you may board the plane or not.
Are you a dissident?
Yes or no?
Did you have more than 100 grams of red meat this week?
Did you buy more than five liters of petrol for this month?
And so forth.
So that infrastructure, control of that infrastructure was key.
And they wanted to control it for the whole world.
And that was, I actually know, not off the top of my head, but I have it somewhere in my notes exactly where these servers would be.
And they would be run under the European Union structures.
So there were actually like a server farm where all this permitting would be given for every country.
Not only that, they would be able to destabilize countries.
Like if you don't behave, they could start tightening restrictions on the, they could start pretending that there's like some kind of a new pandemic.
And so the Russians, in order to be able to blow this up, they had to play along.
And then the way you knew what they tried to do is because they were the first to develop the vaccine.
Remember?
Sputnik 5.
Yeah, Sputnik 5, it was the first vaccine that was rolled out and it was real.
It wasn't a joke.
And they first got, I think, the Lancet to say, yes, this is a legit vaccine.
Or the British Medical Journal.
I'm not sure, but some very legit institution checked everything out and said, like, yeah, this is real.
This is fine.
There's no such thing as a legit vaccine.
I mean, they're all.
Well, I know, but what you need is approval from institutions that are perceived as legitimate.
That nobody can say, like, no, this is bullshit.
And so, okay.
So then what the Russians did is they offered the vaccine to all the countries of the global south.
In fact, to all the countries that wanted it.
Not only that, you can buy vaccines from us, or we'll give you the license to produce it in your pharmaceutical companies, if you wish.
So now that means that many countries around the world distributed the Russian vaccine to their population.
What that means now is that the global conspirators behind the pandemic had to either accept the Russians to participate in this control system,
in this matrix of permitting, and to have input into these, you know, whatever servers are running this go pass, go or don't go, or they had to drop the whole thing.
So either you let the Russians in or you have to, you, you have no choice but to drop the whole thing.
And so they decide, you know, people like Bill Gates and Tedros and Fauci and people in the U.S. Defense Department, Because that was actually the headquarter of the whole thing, they decided to exclude the Russians, to not let them, because it would.
They would have to allow certificates that you received the Sputnik 5 vaccine to be included in the permitting system, which means that you have to let the Russians into the administration of the system.
So decided decided, we can't include Russians in this.
And so the result is that the whole project had to unravel and fall to the ground and, as you noticed, you know, they were promising us, never ever, are you returning to the old normal.
Well, we are in the nor in the old normal.
The whole thing fell apart and that's why it fell apart.
But you see, had the Russians come out day one and said, this is bullshit, we're not having anything to do with this, we will not in in introduce um the social distancing and and restrictions and lockdowns and and face masks or any of this, then if they came out with the vaccine, people would say, like what do you mean?
You didn't even think this was a real thing, but now you have a vaccine.
So they had to play the whole thing in order to be able to offer their vaccine to the world and the reason why they offered their vaccine to the world and and, and they knew to prepare it is because they knew the end game of this pandemic and they basically blew it up.
That's a very interesting theory and again I I, it's quite persuasive.
Um, they'd have had to think very, very well.
They must have, they must have had advance notice that this was coming, mustn't they?
I mean uh, event 201, whatever they did, but they were not the only ones.
You know like, if you, if you properly listen to the, to the conspiracy theory uh, networks out there um, many people suspected it was coming.
But you know, they have.
They have people in the World Health Organizations, they have people in pharmaceutical companies, they have people everywhere and they, you know the, the messaging is going around, and so they knew, they absolutely knew.
The Chinese absolutely knew yeah, but you think about it like, who makes these decisions?
They must have.
There must have been some quite tense cabinet meetings or whatever, or do you think it was?
Well, it can't have been just putin, can it?
People must have discussed this and they must have.
They must have for sure, for sure James, absolutely.
But you know you, you prepare your contingencies, you know like, you say like well, if they're trying to do this, we have to.
Here's how we're going to prepare for that.
And so you say like okay, you people go and work on this and then you, you watch the situation evolve, see what happens.
But if, if it goes in the direction you suspect, you're already preparing your answer, you're already preparing your countermeasure.
I mean, that's how it works, you know.
I think that to us this seems like 10d chess being played.
Yeah yeah, but that's because you know like we're observing the world from the frog's perspective.
We don't see shit.
They are watching it from 32 000 feet and they can see everything going.
And I think that the logic is like a simple street Smarts, gangster logic to say, like, aha, look, they're moving in that direction.
We're going to block them here.
And then to us, you know, we're like, oh my God, this is insane.
To them, it's like, let's stab them here.
Let's sabotage them there.
Yeah.
It's gangster business ultimately.
Alex, I'm very happy, very happy with the way this podcast went.
It went into all sorts of places.
We didn't totally manage to cover every last detail of the Ukraine v. Russia.
But I think we dipped our toes into the water and we covered lots of other stuff.
So I've really enjoyed this.
Thank you very much.
And thank you for offering me a note of cheer.
Well, you're very welcome.
James, I say this because that's genuinely what I have at heart to share.
I feel that way.
I feel kind of optimistic, but not optimistic as in like, let's all relax and enjoy ourselves because it's all going to work out.
I think that we have to keep on doing this, you know, researching, trying to figure things out, speaking out, sharing information, comparing notes and so forth.
But I think to the extent that we continue doing this, we're in a good shape.
And I think that we have a real chance of leaving the world as a better place for future generations.
Oh, I hope so.
So, you know, that's what I say because that's how I feel.
And so it was a great pleasure.
I enjoyed that conversation.
James, thank you.
Thank you again for the invite.
And once more, warm greetings to everyone listening and watching.
I didn't even get to tell you hardly anything about what a good time I had.
I mean, I love Moscow.
I love the Russians controversially.
I mean, I think they're decent, cultured, civilized people, the ones I met anyway.
Well, yes, you know, like going to Russia is like going to any place.
It's people.
And people are nice generally.
I mean, like, unless you antagonize them consistently and make their life miserable, people are nice.
And, you know, Russia has come a long way since the Bolshevik times.
Standard of living have improved.
People have kind of come back to themselves and to their faith and to their traditions.
And so what you find is nice people.
And I think that everywhere in the world where you go, where people are left alone and not traumatized, you will find that they're nice and that they're good.
And then, you know, ultimately, it's a very enjoyable thing to go discover other parts of the world, to connect with the people, to exchange experiences and, you know, how it is to live in England, how it is to live in Russia, and to make a bond, you know, you feel like you have friends there.
Yeah.
Rather than thinking, oh, that's some kind of an evil empire, some block that's coming to get us unless we kill them.
You know, that's mental.
That's just effing mental, and that's being forced on us.
You know, this is a way of traumatizing a population and making, you know, it's making dry tinder for war.
James, I'm sorry.
I don't know if you can hear or see me.
Well, I just lost that last bit, but let's quit.
Alex, can you tell people where we can find your stuff, where we can read you, etc.?
Yes, of course.
Thank you.
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