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Welcome back to the Delling Pod.
Veronica Swift.
Mysterious faceless Veronica Swift.
Veronica, I was really I was really pleased that what when we were I I tried to um suggest we move the podcast earlier, and you said, Well, I might be busy doing my farming chores.
And I thought this is this is the language I like to hear.
You've got uh you've got have you got a small holding or what?
Small holding, yes, I've got a little bit of property and um enough to have some chickens and some other small animals that um have to be fed in the morning and let out and all that jazz.
So I try to do that uh after it gets light enough so that the predators don't come around anymore, especially for the chickens, so because they're free range, so I let them out and they roam around the property.
But they still like a little bit to eat in the morning that they don't have to um gather themselves.
Uh they um what are your predators?
Coyotes.
Yeah, we have coyotes in their close.
Uh we also have um something that got a couple of them a couple months ago, and I'm not sure exactly what it was.
I haven't put up a trail camera yet to see what comes around at night.
But in the winter time we get some very, very big footprints in the snow, so I'm wondering if there are some also some large predators around.
We don't usually have very many deer around here, so I'm assuming that there are some big big game animals that that get um get a lot of the deer and they tend to hide pretty well.
Well, what what's what's the biggest cat in America in the US?
Oh boy.
I don't know.
Um I don't think we've got Jaguars, but uh I wouldn't be surprised if we had mountain lions here.
Um I I don't know if that's the bigot.
That's a good question.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, mountain lions sounds like probably is the biggest one around here.
So all we've got over here is foxes.
But the idea of a mountain lion trying to break Yeah, they're big and they have big paws and their their paws, pro paw prints in the snow are rather scary to see when they're prowling around your chicken goop.
So I just say by the way, Veronica Swift isn't your real name, is it?
Or is it Well, we we don't know that, do we?
No, we don't know.
Okay.
It is for now.
Talking to you, you do not sound like a a mad person.
You don't sound like a g well, I don't know what grifters sound like, but you don't sound like a grifter.
You you you sound like a sincere, real, decent person.
And yet you have you've carved out yourself this niche in what you might term conspiracy circles.
Which not many people I don't think I I I I I've read many people who seem to know their stuff as much as you do.
Which leads me to the conclusion that either you are a brilliant fabulist, you just are just next level at making stuff up.
Or you've done your research and you know what you're talking about.
So tell me, how did you get into your particular area?
What what your area is, what what we'll we'll cover in a moment, although people familiar with our last podcast will know already.
But how did you get into this?
Well, I I I was t uh teaching um at a variety of different levels, and I had noticed in the United States the extreme shift from sanity to insanity, especially in the education system.
The influx of um not just mild but moderate and severe LGBT, Black Lives Matter propaganda, um a s a serious shift from you can think what you want to you have to think our way, or we'll sh we will literally fire you and make it so that you can't get hired anywhere else.
And this seemed to be happening to reasonable people.
I mean, my colleagues and co-workers were were not unreasonable folks, but they were all terrified to do anything but hold toe the line and speak the you know the the litany, the line that the administration was giving them.
And I I spent a long time, it was about five years, I think, just asking everybody I could think of, plus God, what is going on?
What is going on in the world? 'Cause I really don't understand it.
And I had grown up in a Protestant um a mainstream pot Protestant religion in the United States, Methodism.
And they they didn't they hadn't really done a very good job of teaching us as kids and young adults what that the world is owned and operated essentially by Lucifer, the devil at this point.
They kind of treated the old testament like it sort of different, didn't exist.
And they kind of treated Lucifer like he was a figment of s everybody's imagination.
He was the equivalent of a ghost of a non-entity.
It didn't really matter if you looked at him or not.
So I had not grown up understanding evil.
And I hadn't gro grown up understanding that the occult was real.
You know, witches and warlocks were for Halloween.
They weren't real individuals that practiced magic on Halloween and caused trouble for people.
And so after asking people for about five years and and God for about five years, I stumbled upon um my first occult whistleblower.
And that took me down a rabbit hole.
It just hit me listening to this person that this stuff may be the answer to my question.
This the stuff that they were talking about might answer everything that was being I don't know.
It was so disruptive and so disturbing in the world.
And so I thought I'm gonna look more into this because I'm really curious if it's true, if my hunch is right, or if it's not right.
And then I kind of got down a rabbit hole and I had had kind of a year of being injured.
My my knee was injured.
I had spent a lot of time sitting and a lot of time in bed recovering and not being able to walk and do the do the outside things that I usually had been doing.
So um I got about three months into it.
I had filled a one and a half inch binder with notes and all sorts of um all sorts of miscellaneous articles I had printed out and read.
And I thought I I have to organize this better.
My brain doesn't work like this.
I'm an incredibly linear person.
I'm very ABCD in my learning.
I can't really go A C F P Z uh and then back again.
It scrambles my mind.
So I thought I've I'm getting all these bits and pieces, like this person has one bit and another person has another bit, and and the third person has five bits, but they're in five different recordings.
So I just started organizing them, and then I thought, well, maybe if I'm this confused, somebody else is too.
And I had wanted for a long time to learn the mechanics of doing an online blog.
I'd started one, I'd done one, but it was bad, and I didn't have the hang of it, and it was like every first try we do it anything that's brand new.
It just I had to scrap it because I had gotten myself in a little too deep and I didn't I didn't want to try to unwind it.
I really wasn't that skilled.
So I started another one thinking, nobody's gonna read this.
I have some freedom to kind of play around with the online setup and figure out what I'm doing, and so I started out small and wrote some small articles and then trying to figure out how to make a table of contents and do all that the mechanical stuff.
Um thinking all the while, well, you know, I've got I've got time.
My old blog nobody read, and I thought this one nobody's gonna read either, so I it doesn't matter what I do.
And then I think the fourth or fifth uh article that I wrote came out, and suddenly a thousand people had read it, and I just about fell off my chair.
I had no idea that people were interested in this because I didn't even know it existed.
And so that's how it started.
And I I never anticipated to be still be doing this five years later.
It's five years uh in like a month and ten days, I think, um is the the anniversary date from when I first stumbled into it in October of 2020.
And there's just so much information here, and every rabbit hole I go down, every article I write brings up new topics that you know it's pretty much endless.
There's so much information.
This is so deep.
It goes so deep and it answers so many things about what's wrong with it.
And I'm I'm glad you've been doing the search because I'm going to ask you some some big picture questions in a moment.
I I would say your substat, by the way, is an absolute must read.
You you provide information that I just don't see elsewhere.
I remember one four elsewhere.
Sorry?
It isn't elsewhere.
No, it isn't elsewhere.
There was a fantastic essay which which which you wrote about about flags and about the the about the true symbolism of the LGBT, whatever flag that that you see flying everywhere.
And the American flag as well.
Lots of flags, lots of flags are designed specifically by occultists for occultists, and we don't we don't know this, and we're flying them and pledging allegiance to them, and they are a lot of them designed and built by the occult for the occult and presented to us, the unsuspecting public, as if they are for us, but they're really they really originate with them.
So this is one of the things you've learned that that these people are massively into their symbols and that they have to w what is the purpose?
Do they does it give them more power or does it sort of uh assert their dominance in the world or probably both those things?
Well, I think the main thing is that they can't talk about anything that they do.
I mean, the these folks they don't keep their books in their homes, they don't keep notes in their homes.
They keep their their s living spaces quite clear of anything that would hint at at what they're doing um in their what what I would call their their underground life.
Most of them have a cover life, a cover religion, and um and they they profess th things during the day, but then at night in the middle of the night they're out doing satanic rituals or some kind of nefarious thing that they they need or want to do.
Um and so because they're clean in their cover life and they they prize secrecy pretty much above all else.
I mean secrecy seems to be the number one thing for occultists.
So they developed a really extensive series of symbols that um operate at different kind of levels of the system.
If you're a low level person, it might mean one thing.
If you're a mid level person, that symbol could mean multiple things.
If you're a high level person, it's gonna mean something possibly even entirely different.
And they've used those, they use those to communicate with one another.
They put the symbols on corporations, they put them on their business cards, they put them on um, you know, almost anything you can think of.
They put them on uh in the UK, they put them on um, I don't know what do you call them crests, I think, family crests or uh heraldic type information.
In the US, they put them on what we call state seals or county seals or even city seals, which have usually in the past been circular.
Um and they're just filled with things that look sort of normal to the average person, but to an occultist, they have a meaning and they're signifying what goes on in a state or a county or a city, what goes on in a family, what a family specializes in.
Um and and so by just looking at that, people can, for example, travel and they can go and know where they can get something to eat, like as in cannibalism, food that they would eat at night.
They can find where they will get shelter or housing.
They can find where they will find, you know, people who are in their same groups, because this the the occult also has broken themselves up into a lot of small groups.
And a lot of them are titled Order of, Order of This, Order of That, Um, Order of the Pelican, Order of the Um You Name It.
There's there's probably a thousand of them, uh, the names, some of them I've heard Order of the Brazen Serpent, Order of the Golden Circle, Order of the Monitor, Order of the Rosicrucians, Order of the White Eagle, like there are hundreds of these orders.
So so people in the occult, especially in certain branches of the occult, can join these orders, or they can join multi multiple orders.
Well, if they don't want to advertise like in the newspaper or anywhere else where these orders meet and where they do their thing, they can just put a symbol out and you they another individual can drive by, see the symbol, and know that that's where they need to go.
So it's a I think primarily a system of communication.
So this this there's a a similar thing going on with tramps and down and outs.
Uh I'm sure it's same in America, they have these signs saying this house will give you shelter, don't go near here.
This is this has got a dog, uh these are unfriendly, etcetera, etcetera.
It's the same thing.
Yeah, it's the same concept for a group of people, yeah, like tramps or um in the United States when the Underground Railroad was in operation, the same kind of thing.
Certain patterns on certain quilts would be held on uh you know put outside on a clothesline, and that would mean essentially the same thing.
You can get food here, you can get shelter here.
Uh the occult does the same thing, except it's a much more elaborate system of symbols.
It seems to be worldwide, and it's it's kind of mad ingenious.
So, okay, just just on the LGBT plus flag thing.
They've persuaded us, the sort of the uh uninitiated, the uh what what do we call the um uh I think they call us the useless eaters.
Well, the useless eaters, yeah, yeah.
We're that they call us the profane, don't they?
Because they consider themselves the sacred.
We're we're the profane.
Sometimes, yes.
Yeah.
That um there's that funny colored flag, and they've persuaded us that this is just about celebrating equal rights for people of all different genders.
But you've you've discovered it's about something else.
The seven deadly sins.
So they're celebrating and forcing us to celebrate what the Catholic Church considers to be seven deadly sins, sloth, envy, uh, gluttony, um, rage or or anger, uh, and I don't remember all of them off the top of my head, but yeah.
So all the different colors are associated with the seven deadly sins.
Cried, yes, that's a big one.
Um that's a big one.
I mean, they want us to to to join in and celebrate things that if you're a Christian, you would not consider uh yourself celebrating, whether Catholic or not.
None of us want to celebrate any of those kinds of deadly sins in our life because it just invites all sorts of trouble.
So each other.
Is it is uh is a a particular sin.
Yes.
And then they've got the kind of the uh triangular addition of a pink, a blue, a black, a white.
Um at least in the US, they've added that to one corner, uh one end of the flag.
And those those colors mean something else.
Um the white stands for Lucifer.
Uh I think the black is for sloth.
I don't know what the pink and blue are.
That hasn't been released.
So I get my information from whistleblowers who have come out of the occult who know these things.
So I just take take my information from folks who are courageous enough to to say it in public and I gather it and write articles about it and people tend to harass me for writing about it because the occult doesn't want this stuff out in public.
Yeah.
No.
Well, I mean, surely if they because this stuff is real, right?
When you serve Lucifer.
By the way, can you clear something up?
I I asked lots of people this and I get different answers.
Is Lucifer the same as Satan?
As far as I understand it, Satan is uh a term that has been used interchangeably with Lucifer.
Um but Satan is also more of a title.
So it can be more considered more general than Lucifer.
Um I think it's kind of similar to whether we call him Chris Kringle or Santa Claus.
It's a you know, it's a little bit of a a prefer preference for folks.
But Lucifer literally is the fallen angel, the fallen being who fell with a third of the angels from heaven and um fell to earth, now has dominion over earth, and is a human being in some forms.
And so this what this is what blew my mind, especially in the beginning, is that um demons are real, fallen angels or fallen angels are real, and uh most of us can't see them, but some in the occult can.
Some in the occult can see them, they can see in the w what they call in the spirit world.
So they can see angels, they can see demons, they can see what we would call ghosts, they they can see what we would call um spirits wandering around.
And um Lucifer has been seen by many, many, many whistleblowers who were formerly in the occult.
And what does he look like?
He comes in a number of different forms according to them.
One is a dragon, one is a very uh dashing human being, and um the others I've I've listed.
If you get my book, which is free in PDF form on my my website, um there's a whole section on Lucifer and it it it describes what many whistleblowers have said about him.
Right.
Okay.
Um and presumably if you worship Lucifer and these demons, um who are presumably his his sort of minions to do his I mean, presumably all the demons answer to Lucifer, don't they?
Right.
So as it's been described from uh and I've heard it said that it's kind of like a military structure, so Lucifer would be the you know top commander, the general, um the head general, and then he's got he's got his you know the the tear just below him, so th those would be demons like uh Zazel or um Ashroth or uh uh Leviathan, Toth, um folks folks like that, uh demon folks like that.
What about and then below that ball would be one of them.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
There are I think anywhere between I think eight and twelve are are general, Esmadaeus and a few others, yeah.
And and do they do they also take different forms?
I mean, isn't Leviathan some kind of sea monster creature?
Sea monster creature is what he's been described as that I've heard, yes.
Yeah.
Uh and some like Ball are what are called horn demons, so they have horns.
Um I think Moloch is in that category as well.
I don't know if those individu those demons uh or we could also call them principalities, right?
Um I don't know if they often take different forms.
I haven't I haven't heard that said, but I do know that Lucifer seems to be um kind of a demonic shapeshifter, if you will.
Right.
But you uh he's only he's only visible to people with these uh uh practitioners of the occult.
He doesn't appear in normal life ever.
Not that I know of.
Um, I'll never say never, but um I think to this point I've only heard uh certain whistleblowers say that he they have seen him in his regular locations, which mostly seem to be in specialized uh areas underneath the earth.
There are a lot of tunnels under the surface.
There are lots of cities under the surface of the earth, and that seems to be the location where he shows up most often.
Right.
Well, how many what percentage of the population would you say are practitioners of these dark arts?
Wow, that's a good question.
I really don't know.
I think it's probably higher than we assume.
Um I I do know that they that at one point um there are different levels of of individuals in the occult.
I say that the top levels, there's there's a small handful of them.
Uh and then the kind of mid-levels, maybe tens of thousands.
And at the lower levels, I I believe we're talking in the millions.
Really?
What uh th they are th those millions are consciously worshipping Lucifer?
Conscious is a hard word because most of the people in the occult are what we are we call programmed.
Nobody really does this willingly.
There's a really from what I understand, a very small percentage of people who do this and really love it.
The rest of them are more or less forced into doing it.
Uh and they're kept there by blackmail or they're kept there by um threat of violence.
Uh lots of children watch pets being murdered in front of them or family members being murdered in front of them if they fail to comply with the program.
So most people learn as at a young age that they either have to do what they're told um uh pretty much immediately without question, or there's serious there are serious things that will happen in their life and possibly you know even they will be killed.
And I've I've watched people lose family members, I've watched people lose their own life um who have who have done this expose work.
So it's yeah.
It's a difficult thing to to watch.
Yes, I'm sure.
Um it's it's a bit like sort of losing your like running a s a spiring and losing your agents.
And yeah.
So am I right in thinking that mainly they recruit from bloodline families?
Yes.
So way back when, in the in the olden days of the the old testament, um in in Genesis it talks about how the uh the fallen angelics essentially had their way with the daughters of men.
So there was an intermarrying, an intermingling of the genetics between angels and humans, which is kind of odd to think about angels having DNA, but uh that seems to be the case.
And the DNA from the fallen angels gave the progeny, the offspring, certain properties, and they have followed those offspring through genealogy and hidden records, like Vatican Library kind of um hidden records, through many, many, many generations.
And so essentially they know who is what we would call bloodline from this ancient ancient DNA, all the way from the old times to the present.
And those are the individuals that they have the best luck uh recruiting into the system and programming.
Uh see they seem to be easier to program in some ways than others are.
Um those of us who aren't bloodline, we don't tend to have um some of the abilities, so I'm I think, and this is my personal opinion only, I haven't found anyone yet to corroborate this, but I think there are some qualities that the DNA and certain genes give to these bloodline individuals that makes them desirable to be a worker within this this um Luciferian system.
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Um Yes.
So they can presumably that's the same thing as the as the blue blood that is valued by the aristocracy.
Yeah, I think that would be one way of terming it, yes.
Um yeah.
They like to keep it in the family.
They like to presumably the bloodlines get diluted over the years, which is why that that they're keen to kind of intermarry to keep keep to to keep that that Nephilim DNA in the in the in the lines.
Absolutely.
In fact, you're not gonna find many occultists uh marrying outside of the bloodline.
So they they make sure whether that's through coercion or um other means in in making sure that that people marry within within the system um within with other bloodliners.
But they've also done a lot of work to make sure that uh the bloodlines um uh that are desirable, they they have those individuals and they breed them with other people.
So they have an entire what is called a breeding program.
Most of it's underground.
And a lot of it are are are individuals that are bred with certain desirable men um and they have babies and then those babies are tested for gifts or qualities and so they they have kind of a you know, if we think of a plant breeding program where you're looking for certain qualities in the fruit or the the vegetable, they they do the same thing with humans.
They're looking for a desirable quality and they're also looking for for a preponderance of the bloodlines, so there are actually fourteen different bloodlines that they're interested in.
Thirteen uh of them um are uh what we would we would call you know just regular out in the world, and then the fourteenth bloodline is what's termed the Muslim Brotherhood.
So the 14th bloodline is very intermarried and very closed off and very um very host closely held.
And and yes, it's pretty much from what I can gather the exact same Muslim Brotherhood term that we would use in in the regular terminology for the third world.
So the Islamic world is is also a part of this occult system.
Right.
Um those other thirteen bloodlines, some of them have very famous names.
If you've heard of Fritz Springmeyer, he wrote a book and he he he delineated some of the the common names, so like Russell and Collins and Lee and um and exactly.
Um but there are uh especially in the United States where all those those families came in, there was a lot of intermingling and intermarrying.
You're now finding that that the names aren't prevalent anymore.
So you're not gonna f you may at the top level at the very highest level find many Collins's or Russell's or um or DuPont's, etcetera.
But at the lower levels, they're just gonna be names that are common in everyday life that won't that won't trigger anything in your mind uh in terms of hey, this this might be an occult bloodline, like Cox.
Cox is uh uh an occultic bloodline now that has some notoriety but isn't as as well known as the others.
Aaron Powell And do they have different specialities?
Each of the the the bloodlines?
Um I think that's yeah, you could probably say that.
I mean, some of them have specialized in banking, like the Rothschilds.
Some of them specialize in transportation, like the railroads um uh or oil.
Oil is huge, the bushes, the bakers, the um the other large uh occult families, for example, like in Houston, Texas, and the oil uh oil industry.
Um on the West Coast a lot of them are uh in Hollywood um or they're in in kind of the San Francisco finance district, things like that.
So yeah, they do tend to specialize um but the occult overall really wants mastery of all the disciplines.
You're gonna find them in the upper ranks of of education.
You're gonna find them in government, you're gonna find them in in industry, uh everywhere.
Um they just they want in science, they they and that's the whole COVID nonsense, right?
Um and the the vaccine that that was you know available three months after the COVID thing, you know, came out, except in reality they were they were building it in 2004, that some of the patents went back that far.
So they're they're everywhere and they surround us at this point, and um yeah.
Yeah, well this this brings me to my my my my next next big question.
Which is given that the devil, Lucifer, is the prince of this world.
And given that these bloodline families are the seed of the you'd call them seed of the serpent, wouldn't you?
They're the the offspring of the Nephilim.
And given that they they have limitless limitless money and entrenched power going back to millennia.
Uh would I be right in thinking that everyone in a position of power is basically one of them?
Almost without exception, yes.
Whoa.
And that and that applies to things like Hollywood as well, all the all the big actors.
Yes.
You're not gonna get a contract in Hollywood without uh without being somehow initiated into whatever specialty they want you to be initiated.
And to be initiated, you've got to be one of the families, really.
Pretty much, yes.
Right.
Which is uh where are you on for example Taylor Swift being she she does look very much like um that that witch woman, doesn't she, LaVay?
Yeah, yeah.
Um there there's also a lot of cloning that goes on, seems to go on.
Twins and and multiple embryos, so the they they tend to bring out individuals that look a lot like other individuals, and my guess would be that they they have um they have m if you read Svalley or uh other uh other individuals who know a little bit about cloning, Svaly was born as a s I think she's one of three.
I think she was a triplet, and they do that deliberately because um in the she was part of the Jesuit order, she was a Jesuit father, and they swap them out.
So she had assignments to infiltrate in the United States and in um Israel and I think Germany and other locations, and when they needed her somewhere else, they would just swap in a twin and let that twin do, you know, do the lookalike job um when she herself wasn't in that in that house in that location anymore.
So I think they've got a lot of nefarious uh ways of making multiples out of people.
There are there are even reports that I haven't dug into too too hard, but that they have underground uh kind of like um I don't know what you call them.
They're they're like uh artificial wombs essentially where they they uh grow and birth babies simply for cloning purposes alone.
So they have multiples of many people.
Um so I wouldn't doubt that Taylor Swift, among many others, probably has a look like that might be an identical twin.
And sometimes they you know, if you if you do this with embryos, you can bring them out at different um staggered times, so you could birth one at a certain date and birth another ten years later and birth a third ten years later, so it becomes a little harder to see.
But I think they do do things like that.
Well when when when they've got the magic ingredients of of of really good good um Nephilim blood, you kind of want to make sure you get them out there.
Right.
Now, they've also just to blow your mind a little bit, apparently also tried to concentrate the Nephilim genetics, and they have birthed babies that are highly Nephilim, if not almost completely Nephilim.
And those children, if you read the stories about those, they're pretty horrific.
Um those kids are they delight in violence.
They have absolutely no conscience whatsoever.
Um they the Jesuit order, according to Svaly had to to kill one of the early um Nephilim children that they they created in a lab because they couldn't control him.
He was a danger.
At five years old he was a danger to so much and so many people that they had to to scrap him and start over.
So Nephilim are nothing to be toyed with.
They are dangerous.
Yes.
Because in in in Paradise Lost, the the the the fallen angels are almost almost sympathetic characters, you know, they were making their long, elaborate Nortonian speeches, and you think, well, they've been cast out of heaven and there they are in hell with the rebel angels.
But but actually the real ones are much nastier than the ones in Milton.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes, from what I understand.
They I mean, that's why God said I'm just gonna wipe everything out, right?
The old Testament, he said, I can't this is uh the the evil that springs from the heart of everybody is so awful.
I can't fix it.
I'm just gonna wipe everybody out and start over.
Yes.
To one of your earlier points.
I did a piece about I can't remember what on my on my sub stack, and one of the commenters put uh Genesis and Exodus aren't Christianity.
And I was thinking this this quite a few Christians seem to be New Testament only people.
And that they're quite missing a lot, aren't they?
Yes, well uh Yeah.
And and I would call that part of the infiltration of Christianity that has happened by the occult.
Their goal is to train people, especially pastors and send them in and teach them things that um that like for me, my upbringing didn't didn't go into any of that, and I was in a very, very large nationwide or in fact worldwide church empire, pretty much, and they just don't go into it at all.
And so it's not an uncommon belief, especially in the United States that the Old Testament is irrelevant to everything.
Except the Old Testament sets up the stage for Jesus Christ.
Without the Old Testament, there is no reason for Jesus Christ.
Without the occult, without witchcraft, without Nephilim, without all the these dastardly things that happened in the Old Testament uh that are directly related to the occult, the bloodlines to the um to the the fallen angelics who who taught the woman sorcery and witchcraft,
and you can read about this in the Old Testament, except if you your church says, Oh, well, it doesn't exist, then you're not going to hear about it unless you go and and research what I do in the occult and go, my goodness, they've really managed to pull the wool over our eyes in a really bad way.
Is it your understanding?
And I mean, we've all got different takes on this, but after Christ, can the descendants of the Nephilim be redeemed.
I think that God desires for every individual, no matter what we you know, if you want to call him a species or a demon, I think he rede r he desires redemption for everybody.
Right.
And I think if if the fallen angels went and repented, uh he would invite them back.
That's that's my hope at any rate.
Um but if they if they don't, and I think he's given them plenty of time to do that, so if they have decided not to, then eventually they're gonna be in for whatever permanent fate they're in for.
So as as you know, because I think I we talked about this last time.
I I would have I I had w what what you might call an elite education.
So I would have been hanging out with these people, and some of them these people would be my friends.
Well it will have been probably still are.
Yeah, we're exactly so I I'm thinking of one or two, and uh I f some of them are delightful, charming people.
Do they have a kind of uh are these what you call altars?
Do they do they have sort of split personalities?
So they have the kind of the nice socializing, friendly, friendly with people like James Dellingpole aside, and then they have their kind of evil dark split splintered personalities.
How does it work?
It's uh I'd say I'd say they have a front part and they have a cult loyal part.
So uh when the occult when it takes a child and it essentially breaks them, and they can do that through trauma, uh through extreme trauma, through um torture, through near death experience or death experience, and then bringing them back to life or doing that repeatedly, or you know, putting them in a pit with a bunch of vipers or putting them through scenarios where they have to stay alive uh through really difficult circumstances.
There could be a lot of different kinds of trauma that they use.
Um they can break a child if if you're like under age six, five, six, the the child's mind isn't is so plastic and and the trauma is so great that they can actually splinter off a piece of their own mind and encapsulate it.
I think of it like a balloon.
It captures that incident and the unbearable emotions that go along with it, and it creates a bubble around it for for protection.
Otherwise the child would probably die.
And these these bubbles of experience and emotion that get walled off in a child's brain, then prevent them from accessing that information.
And so that's deliberate by the mind to protect them, but in the end it's also beneficial for the cult because that brain doesn't communicate well with all of its parts.
So the child can't really access those pieces of information, but they can also not access uh then a large part of their own self because their self is walled off.
So they call that dissociative identity disorder or dissociation where that just peace just goes away.
It's kind of the same thing in adults when say you are in a bad car accident and most people come out of it and they really can't remember what happened.
They can kind of remember up to when the accident happened, but there's oftentimes an amnesia that happens around the actual trauma of the accident.
And then they afterwards when they wake up, uh they know something's happened, they're injured or whatnot, and but they can't just remember exactly what the situation was.
And that's true for a lot of uh a lot of people in the occult.
They remember the normal parts of their life, but the difficult parts of their life are often walled off and unacc unavailable to them.
Well, if you do that deliberately, there are ways that the the occult has designed to do this deliberately so that they they then can do what's called program them, which is essentially like creating a robot.
Like they they would give a code or a color or a smell or a number to the child and associate it with a task, for example, that they had to do.
And then one of the techniques that's been described is that they would just put the child through a uh a scenario one time after time after time after time where they'd give the code and expect the child to perform the action.
Um and that that kind that's called programming, where they wind up being a little bit of a robot.
So if a code is given, they automatically do something without ever having to think about it.
That is that that memory that action is held in their unconscious.
They're not consciously able to access it.
And then on the flip side, they also make sure that these individuals have a presenting part, a forward part that is operating during the day, that goes to school, that goes to work, that functions and normal, that goes to parties, that that talks to people, um, but they're not going to be aware of what had what is in their unconscious, deep in their unconscious, that probably is only triggered at night for a night ritual or a night job, um, or may only be triggered when they go to a location.
Um so it's it's a it's a con it's that's a s that's a long but simple answer to a really complicated set of things that happens with pretty much everybody in the cult.
I don't know of many people that aren't programmed in some way.
And so they may look normal on the outside, but underneath they they have a lot of troubles.
So basically, if you're friendly with these people and you want to invite them to dinner, they're not going to be available on um midsummer on the the essentially.
Right.
They at midnight at three a.m. on on a on the solstice, probably not.
Yeah.
So what are they doing on those days?
Well, a lot of they're in the United States anyway, um, there are high ritual days where everybody's required to gather, or you're they're required to gather a certain number of times a year.
So they may have four or five um high ritual days, and then they go to the big ones, two or three of those.
And then there are monthly uh gatherings that happen for rituals that happen every month, and and depending upon how your level and and what groups you're in, you may be required to go to those.
And typically, so what's happened i is that because of the introduction of like cell phones, it makes um it very easy for the occult to target individuals because everybody has their own personal cell phone, they've got their own number, and they can simply activate the cell phone, uh cell phone rings, it it you they pick it up, it's got a code or a tone or um something that will trigger them to do uh to go somewhere, do an action, take their car, drive somewhere.
It's why some survivors who are trying to get out, they take their cell phone, they lock it in the trunk of their car or the boot, as you guys call it in Britain.
Um they lock it in their car overnight so they don't hear it ring, so they don't get triggered, so they don't go to these activities.
And w are we talking ritual sacrifice?
That's one of the things they do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there are there are human orgies, there are orgies with demons.
They call those revels.
There those seem to happen every month.
Um there are sacrifice requirements.
Um blood is really important in many ways that I don't fully understand in the occult.
In the same way that Jesus' blood when it was spilled was very important as a redemptive um factor for all of humanity.
The the demons, the Molochs and the balls and the astroths, etc.
require a lot of blood.
Um and and they require a lot of blood is kind of a contractual agreement.
So they require the blood, they require the sacrifice because the humans they're trading with the humans.
The humans want the power of the demons.
And the occult power comes from the demons.
So they have to make contracts with the demons.
They have to give the demons what they want to get in return the power that allows them to, for example, be in a fight and and win the fight over their neighboring witch or warlock that they're trying to gain power or territory or status from.
So it's a very um it's a very combative group at at many levels.
There's a lot of vying for precision and a lot of backstabbing and a lot of um the more contracts you can make the better off you may be.
I see.
So I mean I I often say this, but it's good to have it confirmed that if you consort with demons and you swear your allegiance to Lucifer.
You do get you you get stuff in return, don't you?
In return for your soul.
So what sort of things can they do?
So you've suggested superhuman strength and presumably money and power as well.
I would imagine, yeah.
I think also like, you know, help during battle.
So apparently some of these folks do a lot of ritual battles for instead of, you know, going to an interview and winning the interview and getting the higher level job in your company.
These folks just go to battle, some of them at some point, and they fight with the other candidates.
and whichever candidate has the most demonic power and the most skill uh wins the fight and they win the position.
Is that what Fight Club is about that that movie?
I mean I haven't watched that movie um but i it's it I don't know it the the what is it the the saying in Fight Club that you know everything's secretive and you're not supposed to let any of that information out of the case the first rule of a fight club is no one talks about a fight club.
I mean that's how movies work isn't it the revelation of the map yeah yeah it's it's that's very much the occult the first rule is the rule of silence the rule the code of silence they call it in some in some groups they they have to keep all of this secret and when they let it out there are often consequences.
So d are you saying that they they sort of go into the ring and and and have bare knuckle fights or do they wrestle sword.
Yeah that's what I've that's what I've heard in some of the that was one of the the first things I I learned what were about some of these fights that happened and so they go to specialized arenas in very clandestine locations in castles in Europe or in grand mansions in the United States um where they have hidden access to the underground or arenas that can be um fought in and some of them do.
They fight for position.
They fight for dominance within their particular specialty, especially those that have...
Sorry, there's a dog about to jump on the bed, and I wasn't...
Right.
So they fight for position.
They fight for dominance in their specialty.
It's very much based on skill and demonic help and...
you know whoever's got the better skill seems to seem to win.
It's a bit like Dungeons and Dragons where you've got these various levels that you and and the more points you accumulate the better you are in fights.
Yes funny isn't it how how so much of the everything in the occult world ha ha has its analog in the in the in the the material world.
Yes.
Yes it's so annoying.
Yeah it's so annoying because they bring it all out and they say oh here's a grand new game you can play not knowing that okay some of the spells are the are real spells and some of the um the creatures are real creatures it's like um reading the hunger games right those those books are have been described as real activities within the occult these games that go on these these things that are played with and I just recent recently myself read the Hunger Games.
You know there's genetically modified critters that that are part of it and um you know the the individuals really do die and when they die they're out of the game for good They play hunting games.
And I think the cover in Britain are fox hunting is fox hunting.
And I some sometimes thinks that those aristocratic gatherings are.
Yeah, maybe they have a fox hunt during the day, but maybe they have a child hunt at night.
Or they're they're going after the kids.
This is disturbing for me, Veronica, because I do go fox hunting.
Um they're not inviting you at night.
I mean, hunting people are quite racy types, and there are a fair fair smattering of elite elite people among them.
Um that's a disturbing thought.
The the the the woman who wrote the hunger games, she's obviously an insider.
I would say yes.
She comes, I think, from a Virginia background, but probably military or naval naval, maybe, I think.
Well, Collins is a high-level bloodline name, so if that's her real name, then she's from a high a high level line of witches.
Like like Joan and Jackie Collins, who I believe are both uh fit into that crack.
Joan Joan Collins is also a high level level witch.
I think she's a West Coast Grand High Priestess.
And am I not right in thinking that the Kardashians are a coven as well.
I don't know if they're a coven, but they're definitely in the occult for sure.
Yeah.
You just wouldn't you wouldn't get to that level.
Do you think Kanye, do you think he do you think he's tried to escape?
Yeah.
I think he's in.
He tried to escape.
They brought him back, they hospitalized him, which is not uncommon, especially for well, for individuals a little younger than he is.
So say you see a lot of um elite level teenagers who kind of have a they go great, they go a little nuts in their late teens, early twenties.
They do a lot of drinking, they get yanked back into a an a quote unquote alcohol rehab center or some kind of program.
Um except I think it's really a reprogramming program to kind of bring them back in after they've kind of gone a little nuts, which the occult can make a lot of people a little nuts, um or a lot nuts because it's just a really really difficult life to lead.
Yeah, it doesn't sound i it doesn't sound enjoyable on any level.
It's quite a serious business, pleasing pleasing Lucifer, isn't it?
I would think yes.
Yeah, a lot of sacrifice, a lot of awful things, a lot of requirements.
Um friend of mine who's uh coming out of the occult said, you know, if you saw the spreadsheet list of things that these people had to do every day as requirements for their position or their job, you would just, you know, be drop-mouthed because they have a lot of things that they are required to do.
And other survivors have said they have quotas essentially.
They have to do a certain number of evil things, whatever in whatever their specialty is, whether that's um, you know, trying to infiltrate or take down Christian churches or whether it's a sexual perversion or whether it's some kind of drug or alcohol uh related thing.
They have to do something that's in line essentially with the seven deadly sins.
They sort of pick a deadly sin that's their specialty, and then they have to uh uh do enough stuff within that specialty to keep themselves in a state of iniquity, I would call it.
So you either you have two you I think we talked about this last time, but you basically have two camps, right?
There's there's all you're either in the the sort of Christian Judaic father god camp or you're not.
And and Satan capitalizes on those who are not.
And he also tries to keep people who would like to be obedient and um and and happy to be in uh good standing with God.
He tries to keep them in very bad standing by doing all these things that Christians shouldn't be doing.
Yeah.
Um how does the structure work?
Is it is it as described by Jesse Zabosa?
I mean, is is uh the uh the five five mothers of darkness is that who I mean who who's top dog but uh below right now the antichrist on the human level.
So top dog right now seems to be the antichrist, at least within her um her corner of the brotherhood.
I'm not so sure there aren't different structures.
I'm not so sure that that the Brotherhood is as is definitely may it may be worldwide or it may not be, I'm not entirely sure, but at least in the United States and some some of Europe it seems to be the the main occult structure.
At the top of that, right now is the head of that is the Antichrist.
It used to be Five Mothers of Darkness, with the Queen Mother of Darkness or the Head Um Head Lady being the the top dog, at least of the human beings on planet Earth.
I think they're definitely uh we'll call them spirit beings who are over that the human level on planet Earth.
There are what we might call aliens or um extraterrestrials, who it's just another fancy name for other kinds of beings that are um I think in the fallen angel category, but might have slightly different genetics.
So there's there's there's a there's a human um hierarchy that's that's run now by the Antichrist, except nobody knows who he is and he hasn't shown himself to date.
So he's a hidden figure.
And then beneath that is what used to be called the Committee of Three Hundred, and there are books written about the Committee of Three Hundred, and then uh these it I think it morphed into be calling being called the um Druidic Council.
Druids are an integral part of um of the the worldwide brotherhood as well.
They're high they're they're in high number, especially in in Great Britain.
Um for whatever reason I haven't really figured that out.
Um also in Hollywood, uh and on the west coast of California, it seems they're in high number.
Um so the Committee of Three Hundred, whether you call it the Druidic Council, commit Committee of Three Hundred, the Satanic Council, now it's called the Galactic Federation, apparently.
They keep renaming it.
And also that's that's to confuse everybody and to try to uh hide what they are, who they are and what they're doing.
So this it's called it was called the Committee of Three Hundred because it has three hundred seats, apparently, and families from the Fort You know, the Fourteen Bloodline families take um they send one person as a representative for those seats.
Um the seats are ranked, so there are higher power seats and lower power seats.
Um and so you could have, for example, say it's uh um Harry takes one of the seats at one point and maybe William takes that seat at some time, so they have families and they rotate people in and out of those seats.
Um and those people take orders from the top.
So Lucifer gives orders to the Antichrist, the Antichrist gets uh gives orders to these the individuals, high level, high ranking people on this committee, they disseminate that information out to kind of their mid-level um like lieutenant rank individuals or majors,
um if we're talking US military hierarchy, and then it goes to the the the ranked troops of the occult at the basic levels, the local levels, whether it's a coven, whether it's a temple, whether it's a um, you know, whatever whatever group they're operating in, the order of whatever, um, those people are the last to get the information.
So basically it's a it's a top-down structure, information comes from the highest level, and it filters down through channels, um, just in the same way military orders would f filter down through channels down to the basic people who then do the work at the bottom level.
Um the this discussion among Bible scholars, uh debate, let's say, about whether there's one antichrist or the many antichrists.
Um but according to your theory, there's just one.
Well that's what we've been told.
Uh I I'm I don't know I think there are anti also antichrists in waiting.
Like I don't think they expect one to always be able to do the job.
There they train many, I think, and they elevate one in whatever way they would do that.
I don't exactly know if it's you know another battle between the the candidates for the Antichrist and the one that wins the battle gets that position.
I'm not I I have no idea if that happens or not.
Um or they maybe get picked or chosen by Lucifer and and appointed.
And I would imagine that they have been doing this and training Antichrists because they don't know exactly when they're going to need him.
They don't know exactly when to bring him out.
They don't know the timing.
So the occult may be able to try to see a lot of things in advance, and they have futuristic seeing capabilities with like the looking glass kind of um instrumentation, etcetera.
But they can't see everything and they can't really predict the future.
So they've got them waiting and they're waiting for whenever the time is right.
And if you know that anti Christ dies, then they just bring up the next one in line.
So that's that's how I'm imagining it happening.
Aaron Ross Powell And they don't know because of the as Jesus tells us in the wise and foolish bridesmaids that they don't no one knows when the time is time is so you've always got to be ready.
So ultimately presumably God decides when the to when the moment is I've always seen you know it's it's a hard thing to look at because it's kind of the way I've viewed it is that the occult isn't do necessarily doing God's bidding but they're trying to they're trying to bring about their own revelation style end and I don't even know if that's real or not.
I mean God I'm presuming has his own plan.
If he has a revelation style plan, I I would doubt that he's feeding it through the occult.
So they seem to be c trying to create and push forward um a revolution re um revelation scenario.
But God may have something else in mind.
You know he may have a different revelation, a different end time, a different sequence of events that he's just gonna steamroll over the occult and all their plans, their best laid plans may come to nothing in the end.
Well, I jolly well like to think so, Veronica.
Otherwise, we've met the wrong team, haven't we?
Right.
Exactly.
So you you is it sounds like this this antichrist is a recent thing, a recent appointment.
Yes, I think the, and I'm not going to get the date exactly, but I'll say somewhere between 2018 and 2022 is when I think that the switchover happened.
And the switchover happened, it was supposed to happen in a series of rituals where they opened what are called living books and a living book that can only be opened by one particular individual.
And so it's just a series essentially of rituals that give, theoretically, transfer the power from the five mothers of darkness over.
over to the Antichrist candidate, whoever that might be that happened during that time Jesse Zaboter was supposed to go to those but did not attend and so she thinks that despite the the lack of her presence at these ceremonies that they just kind of said oh well we're gonna install him anyway.
I think most of her at least in this scenario he does a lot of pomp and circumstance it seems like he requires a lot of ritual that that I'm not sure means much in the end.
So which is good for the rest of us.
How do you decide whether whether these people that you talk to are are for real or whether they're just kind of making stuff up.
I mean I I had um I had what's his name Reynolds um what's his Nathan Reynolds Nathan.
Nathan Reynolds yeah um and as always when I have and the it was the same with Jesse Zabota.
I had I'd say twenty percent or twenty five percent of people saying how can you fool for this bullshit that they're just kind of grifters, scamps, gamsters How do you know you don't I don't know.
I don't know.
Uh and and you know that was part of the first couple of chapters that I wrote I said I could be being duped.
We all could be being duped.
Um and and there's no way to know except to look into it and to um to try to discern to try to have you know enough sense to say this this stuff doesn't fit or it does fit.
And what I found is that if you look at enough whistleblowers it all fits.
Yeah.
So I may not be able to say that Jesse Zaboter says everything a hundred percent perfectly correct.
But if I add in fifty more whistleblowers coming out of the occult and every single one of them has their own personal experience of some variety of what she said can I be fairly certain that all of them are not telling the same stupid story that isn't true.
And I'm I've chosen to believe that the preponderance of the evidence is probably more accurate.
So the way I came into it was learning about one story but the way I've approached it since then is to learn as many different life stories.
So I'm studying their biographies, they're what they've told about what they experienced in the occult.
And I find most of their stories to be remarkably similar and after I got to a certain point, I also started to get people messaging me who are not public.
There are a ton of survivors who from the occult system who are just not going public with their story because it is so incredibly hard to do so.
The amount of backlash that public public whistleblowers get is staggering.
The amount of backlash I get from from believing them is staggering.
I read your um article that you wrote after you interviewed Nathan uh Reynolds, and it was 100% spot on.
Uh people get vicious, they get violent, they get um very nasty.
I've gotten numerous death threats just for listening and just for trying to understand and for writing about multiple people who have come out against all this this crap that that they do, these these violent things that they do, the the heinous heinous, heinous things that they do.
Um and a lot of people I think just cannot they ha they their brain can't take that first step.
They've got cognitive dissonance that's that's too strong for them to say, I'm gonna suspend disbelief for a little while.
Let's say this is true, I'll I'll look into it and and then I'll I'll make a decision later on.
Many people cannot do that.
I've noticed this.
I've I've noticed that even in even in awake circles, let's say.
People who are very comfortable talking about the moon landings were faked and JFK and 9-11 and even Paul is dead.
But quite a lot of them will not go to this next level of things like adrenochrome, child sacrifice, Satanism, the the occult.
It's uh I I it's it's I I I think it's a kind of kind of a cope in a way.
They don't want to go there.
It's really hard in the beginning.
Yeah, the hurdle in the beginning is the grief that you go through learning about what they do.
What they do is horrendous.
The torture, I mean, skinning someone alive is not uncommon as a means of torture in this group.
But thinking about that happening, you have to go through a period of grief, at least I did, and and many people that I know have to go through a period of horror and grief.
And uh it some people can't willingly take that step.
Um I I I will assure you, if you do take that step though, there is another side to it where it it doesn't hit you so hard emotionally, and you've you've got the sense of what happens, and then you can read further and and start to understand the structure and how they work and what's what are re what's required and who's in.
So it does but it does take that, it takes takes that first step and it takes acknowledging that you've got those emotions and realizing that there are a lot of people that are going through awful things that we don't know about and there's not much at this point we can really do to to physically help.
We can't go down in the tunnels and rescue the kids um because they've they've got that sealed off with not just physical individuals blockading them, but also demonics.
They have demonic guards that won't let individuals pass or will kill people who try to pass.
So it's not like we can go down and and rescue the children that are being cannibalized or ritually sacrificed uh or or or got you know that are being drained of blood for adrenochrome, and I think that's what most of us want to do.
We want to take immediate action to prevent this from happening, and when we can't, we have to sit with these emotions, it's hard.
Yeah.
Um what is the black eye thing?
Well from what I've heard, it's part of a ritual that requires them to again uh uh swear not only allegiance but to silence.
It's it's a code of silence ritual.
It may be part of some of it's part of a Masonic ceremony.
And if you're hearing that going, the Masons aren't part of the occult, I'm here to tell you differently.
There are there are two different I'd say two different sections of Freemasonry, and one of them is definitely occultic and the other one definitely is not.
So if you if you are part of a freemas Freemasons that you don't think are occultic, then that's fine, but there is a definite section that that they hold the mysteries.
This is a uh a Nimrod thing.
So Noah's great grandson essentially started Freemasonry by going underground with his knowledge of witchcraft.
So Freemasonry holds those keys and they are used by the occult.
So it's I in part the the black eye is a reminder, it's a public reminder to them to always keep silent.
Now there's also another story that goes around that it's a vrill, which is a um like an infective uh alien creature, and the vrill enters the eye and infects the human and kind of takes over their body and shifts their personality out, and so this person's like an occupied it's it's is occupied by a an alien uh in the end.
And I, you know, I'm not sure.
I'm sure the Freemasonic rituals occur.
Not so sure about the vrille, but it could very well be possible that both both happen at the same time.
The occult likes to do things so that it has multiple explanations for something, and sometimes none of them are correct, and there's really a a deeper hidden meaning that we don't learn about in for a while.
So it could be any any one of the above.
But it is remarkable, isn't it, how many public figures have suffered mysterious black eye incidents.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Suffered.
Uh yeah.
Willingly be brought on by a ritual.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And most public figures do.
There are people who have put together like massive um like montages of photos of public figures who all have one black eye, and it's usually the left eye, and um, yeah.
So the one eye is also uh a symbol that goes way way back to Egyptian occultism as well.
So that's another layer of that.
Um what else was I gonna ask you?
There's so many problems, there's so much I want to know.
I'm an open book, go for it.
Yeah.
Well, I that's right.
You you you you commented on another of my uh my pieces about um one of the tricks they do is to have somebody dressed up as Jesus who then attacks them or sexually abuses them or tortures them or something to to to get to get into the minds of these these these kids that Jesus is a bad thing.
Yeah, so so Jesus can can bring people out of the occult.
Jesus can break the break the spell, as it were.
Um but so it's very important to the occult to make sure that, especially as a little child, Jesus is not a good figure.
Although they do it in kind of a weird way.
Usually they try to make Jesus attractive to a child initially, and they try to make them believe that he's good and that they can call on him for help and he will help them.
And then they pull the switcheroo and they dress someone one up as fake Jesus and they sexually abuse that child.
And then they say to that child, well, why don't you call on Jesus?
He's supposed to save you.
Oh wait, he's hurting you.
Oh wait, maybe he's not so good.
So their faith is broken.
They kind of it kind of crushes their spirit and their will.
Uh and a lot of them then don't think that Jesus is a good figure.
They don't know that they can call on him, and so they don't, and that's one way to to extract yourself from the occult is by calling on the power of Jesus.
I I uh uh aside from that, I don't know many other um many other ways to to truly get out.
A lot of people don't go that way because they have been so church abused.
Um but the individuals that I do know that are having success in extricating themselves, almost all of them seem to go that direction at some point.
Right.
But i it's it's quite possible, isn't it, that they're local pastor or minister.
Not to mention bishops.
They're likely to be working for the other side.
Yeah, the number of higher level individuals uh that are installed by the occult is astronomical.
Um most what we would call mega churches here in the United States have as uh at their head a pastor who was trained and who is a bloodline individual designed to be there specifically to give incorrect information and to to make people go astray.
So they're teaching them, you know, the prosperity gospel or something that's that's not that's not quite accurate and is not going to get them uh not going to lead them to true um freedom or redemption.
Uh people like um Billy Graham, Orl Roberts in the U.S., um Robert Schuler who had the Crystal Cathedral in in uh south of Los Angeles for a while.
Um Norman Vincent Peel, even uh lots of the um New Age teachers, Elena Bovatsky, and even things like yoga, which is becoming common, more common in churches.
I wrote a piece on that, I think in 2023.
I think that piece that I wrote pissed off more people than any b any other post I've ever written.
Because a lot of people are really they're really into their yoga and they don't want to to give it up.
Um but the the um Eastern practice of yoga was designed specifically so that people would become open and receptive to receiving demonic spirits.
It's that's very similar in the way that sodomy also opens um uh young boys up to receiving demonic spirits.
Um there are lots of different ways to do that, but y yoga is one of them, yeah.
I'd heard about this sodomy thing.
That the the I I read somebody else who's an expert on on on this saying that they not need to sodomize them before they're three years old, and that and that's when they get the the properly fractured personality and the deem demonic Is that right?
That's one yeah, that's one way to do it.
Um I think that i the younger the child is, the the more the mind will break and fracture.
Uh and so they they do tr tend to try to to start that with um children very, very young.
But even in it as at an older age, say they didn't they won didn't want to break your mind, but they did want to make you a host or demonize you, then sodomy will also work for that.
Plus the occult just has a thing about homosexuality.
It's very important, it's very prevalent, and um in pretty much all of what we'll call the the occult military, there's the occult has their own military arm.
There are groups like the Jesuits, they're the uh the assassin specialists essentially.
But there's nothing like that.
The Jesuits are the assassin specialists.
I think that's that's one of their primary um roles, yeah, is assassinating other people.
Um that's what they're trained for at from a very young age.
They're trained to be excellent marksmans and marks have excellent markmanship and know a thousand different ways to to kill someone, um, basically in plain sight.
So that's one of their specialties as I understand it.
So that Jesuit university in um in in DC, what's it called?
Um I've lost you.
Isn't there a Jesuit university?
Jesuit college.
You're going in and out right now.
Oh.
I don't know if my I think it's gonna be.
Um Yeah, so people with a Jesuit training, you've got to be a bit they're a bit suspect.
Still You're still underwater.
I can't understand still what you said.
Sorry.
Oh this always happens, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe give it a a second and it'll it'll come back.
Hopefully, is it called what's the j is it called Georgetown University or something?
The Jesuit college?
Yeah.
Um that's a good question.
I am not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'd have to look that up.
I don't know.
Do you I mean in awake circles, you you you there's a there's a certain um section which which which goes, it's the Jews.
And I say to them, look, these terms are meaningless.
It's not it's not the Jews.
It's it's it's it's the devil worshippers, basically.
They're all they have these kind of official religion religious affiliations, but they're nothing to do with w with who they really serve.
That's correct.
Uh I mean that would be their cover life.
So you can have um Luciferians who are Catholic, you can have Luciferians who are Protestant, you can have them who are um Muslim, you can have Jewish.
Uh and so their cover life religion doesn't have anything to do with worshiping Lucifer, that happens at night.
And the cover life basically is just uh um, you know, it's just to fool the public.
Um do uh I say that but I have had people who are Jewish fight me tooth and nail saying, no, it's impossible if you're Jewish, you can't be a Lucif you know, a Luciferian.
Yeah, right.
And that's that's simply not true.
You you absolutely can, and there are some high level high profile ju Jewish people who definitely are.
Um but there's also some high profile Catholic bishops and I mean heck, the Pope is part of is uh the current Pope, Leo the I don't know, what is it, ninth, tenth, eleventh, I forget.
Um he's he's also been a named part of the Luciferian Brotherhood.
He was trained in a on the underground in in Chicago, the same place that trained Jesse Zaboder.
She witnessed him being trained and doing Luciferian activities, and now he's the Pope.
And and most of the Cardinals you would also fall into that position.
And this is uh, you know, this is not to say that that Catholicism as a whole is bad or that every Catholic is bad, that's not true.
And every Catholic Church doesn't engage in the the worst heinous stuff on the planet.
Um, but many of them do.
And to at this point in the in the discovery process in 2025, to say that the Catholic Church isn't uh engaged in some of this stuff is really um it's really putting blinders on, poking your head in the sand level.
Um it just is.
And Catholics, I think I think the Mormons, who also are part of the the Mormon temples and the temple rituals, which I'm gonna be writing a post on pretty soon, uh are straight up rituals, and they're straight up Luciferian.
Um Catholicism, yeah.
Catholicism also has its its uh its moments.
Um and and a lot of things in in the Catholic Church are just not good.
Do not ever kiss the sta statue of Jesus in the Catholic Church.
You don't know what they do with them.
Um it's pretty disgusting stuff.
So uh and what they wash them in after they yeah, I mean they wash them in urine and blood, and then the little old ladies come in and kiss the feet the next day.
You don't uh Oh, you don't that thing in St. Peter's um this this the foot that you rub or you do kiss it?
No, money I don't know.
I don't know, but I wouldn't touch them, or especially not with your mouth, um, because you don't know where some of them have been.
And I'm not again I'm not saying all of them, but there are enough reports out of uh out of both the the the Mormon temple rituals and um rituals that happen, you know, on the altar at night in Catholic churches that after you read enough of those accounts, they can't be dismissed.
So I know that the lovely ladies who are devout Catholics are not doing these things.
I'm not saying that.
But there are there there is access to these churches and temples by Luciferians who do rituals, they do sacrifice, they gather the blood, they eat the remains of the sacrifices and we're talking about human, yeah.
Human, yeah, human sacrifice, because these demons and the demonic principalities require human sacrifice, they require human blood.
Part of it for some of them is um is a nutritive requirement, like you have to feed a Nephilim child uh uh a diet of part blood or they don't thrive.
So part of it's uh part of it's just that that's what they have to eat, and part of it's for power.
Right.
Yes.
Well, vampires are also a division of the Luciferian Brotherhood.
They are part of the bloodlines, just like werewolves are.
Um they're part of the bloodline uh uh out well, I'd say the the area that you would used to call the Ostrogoth, the Visigoth um tribes, the Romanian Poland, um Eastern European, Czechoslovakian area, maybe even Ukraine a little bit.
Um those areas birth those bloodlines and they are they are part of the occult.
They exist.
Vampires exist, werewolves exist.
Uh these are all documents.
Yes.
somebody told me that mermaids exist as well.
Yeah, I think we really have a lot to learn from the whole marine kingdom.
Not many people are talking about the marine kingdom at this point, but I do know that there's information out there that would probably blow people's minds.
And yes, from what I understand, mermaids do exist.
And they are they are, for lack of a better term, an occultic phenomenon.
Are they so are they all baddies?
Or are they good mermaids as well?
I don't know.
I mean, I would say that since uh the vast majority of people who get conscripted into the occult uh don't want to be there.
I think you know, higher than 90% of the people are not happy that they're doing it.
They're doing it because they're threatened, they're doing it because they're coerced, they're doing it because um they don't know what they're doing because they they are unconscious of their own, you know, uh cult loyal parts.
Um so I would say that the vast majority of people in the occult are good people, desperate to get out.
Right.
Desperate to get out.
And they can't tell anyone, and um we don't you know, as a as a society, as a worldwide society, we don't know enough about it to even offer to help.
To even say how can we help them?
Well, um I think I think prayer is one big way.
Prayer really dis there's a story in a book by an ex-African warlock that I just is has really changed my idea about the function of prayer in the spirit world.
And essentially, boiling it down to just a little bit, uh a tiny fragment of this chapter or two in in his book.
This this gentleman describes prayer by a small group from a church in Africa as being so disruptive to the communication systems that they like basically called a worldwide meeting and said we have to stop these people.
Thirty people praying every day for I I don't know if it was a month or two months, was so disruptive to the spiritual communication system and the operations of the of the occult in the spirit world that they had to shut them down.
To me, that says volumes about the power of prayer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I must say I find it very but I I say the Psalms every day.
Um more and more actually, and I find it very helpful.
I think it's it's gotta be.
It's gotta be useful in in in God's war with the dark s side.
I think so.
The more that we can keep our eyes and our mind occupied by good things, um, the better off we are.
And and you know, if you want to do something, which a lot of people have asked me over the years, what do I do?
Bring these people into your prayer life, you know, think about them, talk about them to God every day, intercede for them.
Um that it can only help.
I I don't think it can hurt at all.
And I think if they had an inkling that a lot of people were doing this, it would bolster their courage, and maybe more of them would have have the the gumption to to exit the system.
The more people that exit the system, the less power Lucifer has, the less uh manpower he has, the more it is likely not to survive.
Um Jesse's a boater.
I remember you you always get people trying to kind of pick holes in their arguments and explain to you why they're not real afterwards.
There was there was one thing that worried me slightly about Jesse, which is she seemed to be have surprising faith in Donald Trump.
Which I thought was weird.
She still does.
She still does.
Well how I think we all I think we all have our uh hang-ups, right?
Um I think Donald Trump grew up in the system.
I believe she has noted that on some show or another that I probably could find the reference to if I looked for it.
Um I don't think she's denied that that he grew up in the occult.
Um she believes that he is a force for good working among the bad.
Um I'm not I I don't know.
I can't say that I personally believe that at this point.
I had high hopes for Trump.
I I certainly prefer him over Kamala Harris.
I think we're in a in the US in a much better position with Trump than we would have been with Harris as a president.
She would have been a A big time disaster in my opinion.
Um and would have ushered us towards a uh uh an occult style revelation, um, you know, apocalypse essentially.
Um whereas I don't think that's happening uh necessarily with Trump.
I do believe he's trying to do at least some good things.
Yeah.
I s I suppose that that that we we we sort of pessimists or w we we who those of us who think these have got to be end times need to be mindful that that human beings keep keep messing up with with the dark side's plans.
So nothing is and he could very well be messing with the dark sides plans uh and and doing it um behind the scenes and I think for me expected assassination and stuff.
Yeah, I I just I can't explain any of that that I just can't.
I'm disappointed with the the financial support for for overwhelming financial support for Israel, because at this point the genocide in the Middle East is just astronomical.
I mean, yeah, Israel has got to be one of um Lucifer's favorite places, no?
Well, that's where that's where the Antichrist is supposed to uh emerge and take over is from the Third Temple in in Israel.
So yes, I would say that's true.
Right.
Um Yeah.
And and and there's something about the red heifers, sacrificing of the red heifers.
Mm-hmm.
Apparently I've been told that that that's kind of a cover story that's going on right now, and it's not necessarily real.
Uh that's information from non-public whistleblowers.
So there's there's I think a bit of jockeying going on and some fighting and some infighting, perhaps.
Um there's definitely a switch over of power from Vatican and the Vatican City to Israel.
So the financial power has switched over to Israel and the Sanhedrin.
But um, I think some of the other stuff is is is up in arms.
I you know, what what worries me, at least in the US with Trump is I think at one point recently he tried to put in a kind of a gag order on everybody about Israel, like you can't say anything bad about Israel or there will be consequences, which goes against our first amendment free speech rights, and I think it failed, but the fact that it was even tested out is rather horrifying to me.
Um so do I think Trump's like the second coming of Christ, is he our savior?
No.
Uh do I think he's doing all bad?
No.
Um do I know where he stands?
Not really.
I think that's one thing we really have to kind of suss out and figure out.
And that said, you know, in the US, the president and I I imagine the monarchy in Britain also, they just don't have as much power in everyday life as they would like to have.
Uh and so I think collectively as as human beings, if we push back against really bad ideas that are brought out by top level government, we have more power than we'd like to admit.
You know, if more people in the US had said, no, I'm just not wearing a mask and you can try to kick me out, but you m you know, I'm just gonna walk through a grocery store and I'm not gonna follow the little lines on the floor, and I'm not gonna wear a mask, and you we'll we'll all be fine, then we would have been better off.
But a lot of people are compliant, just like a lot of people aren't willing to look at hard things.
A lot of people aren't willing to deal with the emotions that come up when you defy authority.
Um and I think that's probably because of the education system.
Probably because we've become we've become a society that's been indoctrinated by you must do this or you will be punished for you know twelve years of our life as young people.
Um and that's why a lot of people I think at this point are homeschooling, because uh they see that.
They saw that, they saw it, it horrified them, and they said, nope, we d we want to bring up children who have can s have their own mind and can do their own thing.
Was it you who told me that um Tolkien, Lord of the Rings was required reading in all occult households.
I think Tolkien Tolkien is uh definitely a uh an occultist.
I don't know if it's required reading or not, though.
He was an occultist.
He was a so the Catholic thing was just the cover.
I think so.
Yeah.
Uh evidence or your reasoning for that.
Um I think that comes directly from a whistleblower, not with not sure which one, but uh there are a lot of books that are uh written by occultists that actually have power um and are used in the system to either train or program children.
Where the wild things are comes to mind.
Um the child's book Where the Wild Things Are is used to train I have a post on this on my on my website for four books in the occult.
Um you see in there they're they're taught that that when they go into the forest they're going to see the wild creatures and um and you see some of the you see some of the symbology in that book.
If you look back through it, there's um there's like little circus tents with red and white striping on it.
That's a c occult symbology.
Um these creatures that they meet, and similar to if you've you know, the hunger games creatures, these are creatures that they're going to meet in their training in the woods and um, you know, but it'll be okay in the end because they'll come back and they'll wind up in their own bed, kind of a thing.
So it's used with young children.
Uh the Wizard of Oz is an occult cultic training program.
Uh Peter Pan is.
Um lots of what we would call classic children's literature is used on kids.
And and then with the adults, um Jules Fern, Ten Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, some of that is not science fiction, it's science fact that we just haven't been taught.
And uh the authors of these books, were they in on this?
They were basically occultists.
Yeah, it's kind of yeah.
It's kind of like um uh in modern day, uh um Joanne Rawling has been outed, and some of the some of the spells in her books are apparently actual occult spells.
Um did she even write it?
I mean that there's this wasn't she just a kind of front for the I don't know.
But if she is in the occult, then she would have had the ability to to dream it up, I imagine.
It's yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if she actually wrote it or not, but but if she did, she sure um C. S. Lewis.
That's a good question.
I don't think I've heard anyone mention that he was, but I've heard rumblings that that um he might have been something else than he that he actually portrayed in his books.
So I don't think he's been directly mentioned, but it's a question mark.
Yeah.
I mean, given look, if if he's the exception, he's a major exception.
Because like children's literature is so infiltrated, isn't it?
It's terribly infiltrated, yeah.
Yeah.
There's not much that you're gonna find that's terribly popular that um that isn't used by the occult.
I mean, I even think back to I just reread uh Madeline Langle's A Wrinkle in Time, which is the first in her trilogy, which I think expanded to be five books.
And and she's talking about tessering, which is an old word or word she made up for um portal travel, you know, travel through through portals from one location to another, which is something that the occult does.
Um we can see that in in kind of broad grand terms if you look into the Montauk Project, that's exactly what they were doing in the Montauk project.
Part of it was sending boys that they basically went and yanked off the streets, so street kids and they were uh honing the technology to send them from that area of Long Island, the the tip of Long Island, to another planet or another location on Earth, or in one case to Mars, um or so they say.
So traveling through portals and that expanded, that program expanded, and you can you can read about or listen to to people all over the the internet who have done this portal travel and gone places and come back.
Um and they even some of them have gone and they they spend like part of a lifetime in another location, and then they bring them back to Earth and basically to the same time frame that they time and age they were they went when they left.
They call them 20 and back programs.
So they go, they stay for 20 years, they age on that planet, but when they come back, they come back to the time and location that they left.
So it seems like they haven't uh been gone that long.
But this portal technology is is definitely occultic as well.
And probably some of it I would imagine was a trade-off for uh by demons.
So seems like heaven, seems like the the heavenly realms have a lot of technology, and some of the fallen angels will trade that technology for um blood or for sacrifice.
Uh so we think of cell phones or televisions or computers, and I have to wonder if all of that ta this technology isn't essentially from the demonic.
Yes.
Yes.
And if you're sort of a designated um entrepreneur, supposedly, of the of the occult, you get you get to be Martin Zuckerberg or you get to be Bill Gates or whatever.
They're just it's kind of free money that's handed to you, isn't it?
Yeah, sometimes they get free money, but more often than not, they actually convince us that we're supposed to fund them.
We're supposed to donate to this humanitarian project, and we're supposed to donate to that humanitarian project.
Or we we elect people into office that then say, well, your taxes have to go to this particular thing.
And that just happens to be an occultic endeavor, one of their pet projects or whatnot.
You know, the amount of the amount of humanitarian uh causes that are um that are are are spearheaded by people in the occult is astronomical.
You know, I think of Oprah and uh and the the things that she um tends to solicit donations for and the amount of money they can bring in is is quite large.
And they're almost they call them humanitarian projects.
They're almost required to do them because in the occult they have this idea of equilibrium, which means if you do bad stuff, you have to do stuff good stuff to balance it out.
They believe in balancing it out in their works, their works have to be bad and good.
So they convince us to send them money to to do humanitarian projects, which are actually a part of their Luciferian uh tasks uh for for their for the life or the their year or whatever.
It's which is just it bothers me to a degree that I can't even I can't even say.
I don't want to don I I'm very careful now what I donate to and who I donate to because it's just um I do I just don't want to touch my money uh to anything like that.
It's it feels awful to me.
Um am I right in thinking that that Obama is some kind of high level isn't isn't he the witch in charge of America at the moment?
Um he would be so if you think back to the Druidic Council Satanic Council Committee of 300, that that structure underneath now the Antichrist, um he was he is reportedly the head of that group, they call them the phoenix of the council.
Um and I haven't heard that he's been replaced, so I think he still is, uh as far as I know, um, the Phoenix of the Council.
Uh and so that's a really that's a very high position, very high position within the system.
Um they don't have to replace Phoenixes by killing them.
He he he would just be retired and moved on.
Right.
So the previous Phoenix with George was George Soros, right?
And he retired somewhere between I think twenty seventeen and twenty twenty one, somewhere in that range, and Obama was installed uh as Phoenix.
And I don't know how they choose a successor, so I'm not sure if that's a battle or a uh you know, something that just gets handed down as an order from Lucifer that he was chosen and installed as the Phoenix.
That would be quite funny, wouldn't it?
If there had to be a battle between um Obama and George Soros.
I mean that would be slightly unfair.
I I like to stay I like to stay away from that kind of stuff, like no, I don't want to go look at it, but boy, if I if that was a battle, that would be one I would I would don't have it would have been fun to watch.
And what what is this thing about elite gender inversion?
Why are they so why do so many of these senior figures have are married to m uh women who are in fact men?
Right.
So most families, especially high-level families are required to sacrifice children, and a lot of times it's a firstborn child that they have to sacrifice, literally kill.
Sometimes they make the parents of the children actually do the the sacrifice themselves.
But they can get around doing um a killing style sacrifice, as I understand it, by doing what they call a living sacrifice.
And so if they gender invert, which is in honor of Moloch, Moloch the principality, the demon, um he's the demon that has the goat's head and he has one arm pointing up and one arm pointing down, and he has genitalia of both sexes.
Yeah.
Uh If they do a living sacrifice and trans themselves, then uh they don't have to die.
So it's a swap out for um in infanticide.
Um and then this is why so many elite um or so many Hollywood actresses and bring up their male children as females.
Yes, because then they don't have to kill them.
I see.
I mean, I have to say the death toll among rich among famous people of their firstborn children is just in actuarial terms, it's it's it's a little implausible, isn't it?
It's it's it's above the mean.
Yes, it is.
And and that's because they're required to.
Uh and yeah, and so I think they they have gotten around because it's so much more public now than it used to be, right?
So I think they had to find an alternative to actually having so many deaths that it kind of got the caught the eye of the general public.
Uh and so now they can do these living sacrifices.
And they've convinced half the world that this is a good thing when in actuality it's an homage to Moloch.
Um which is sad.
It's really sad.
But but sorry, so that's that's the the the uh the killing of the first Daisy, come on at there.
That that's the killing of the firstborn, but what about marrying people who who are the same sex as them?
What's that about?
I that that I believe is is part of the overall overarching goal of if you read um if you read Kurth Barker, who's one of my favorite occult authors, because he his stories are just so incredibly good.
He talks about their desire, the occult's desire to institute an entire world where incest, paedophile um activity, and um homosexuality is the norm, not the exception.
That the occult wants to institute and normalize homosexuality, they want to institute normalize incest, and they want to institute normalize sex with children as young as possible.
And so um you know, marrying someone who's inverted is is also I think an homage to the the homosexuality um variety of of the occult's desires.
They're doing pretty well.
I'm thinking uh i i I don't know whether you ever go anywhere near Netflix, but every every Netflix series has a lesbian, a prominent lesbian character, prom prominent gay character.
I mean, out of all proportion to the to their representation in the population at large, it's all about promoting homosexuality as as as a as a ubiquitous thing.
Yeah, that's I mean, one survivor that I've profiled recently who's um uh kind of low level but has been extensively used for um for prostitution in the Florida area has said that you know she won't watch TV because all it is is programming.
It's programming for the masses.
Yeah.
And part of that programming is normalizing homosexuality or normalizing violence or normalizing whatever it is they want to normalize.
Um and and after you, you know, after you see that stuff so much, if it's not part of your everyday thought process, then it starts to be, or at least you notice it.
But the younger you are, the more you think that that's just the way the world is, and that's a normal thing.
And so our kids who are watching these this stuff are growing up thinking that trans is normal and homosexuality is normal and it's all good.
We're we're we're being programmed and shoved into believing that it's all good when in fact it's all Luciferian.
It's all the agenda of Lucifer's kingdom.
It's all to get us out from under the umbrella and the protection of God and to get us to doing things for the occult and to believing things that are occultic um without us even knowing it.
Hang on, it's gonna get that stupid dogma.
Out of this is really annoying, Veronica.
I've got to I've I've got to go for a bell-ringing lesson now, which is what I was trying to my bell ringing class.
Because I know that demons hate bells.
Um Yeah, I've heard that.
So like uh big bells?
Are you ringing big big in a church?
Oh, that's lovely.
Yeah.
Not just any old bells.
Um my church has the oldest complete set of church bells in the country.
They were cast in 1440.
Wow.
That's lovely.
That's lovely.
Those sounds and the the vibrations, it's kind of a akin to me to being like in the middle of an orchestra if you're a woodwind player and you're you're sitting in the middle of the orchestra and you just have 360 surround sound vibrations.
It's uh it's a it's a feeling you can't duplicate anywhere else.
Can I just do I even though I'm I'm gonna keep keep poor Paul Graham waiting, but I've got a couple more questions.
Um do a lot of these people fake their deaths and end up somewhere like Antarctica.
I've heard that that's that does happen.
I'm not sure at what what percentage though.
I I I there's there's not much info on that.
Um so I can't say.
But I'm I'm sure David Bowie, for example, is in Antarctica.
I mean uh Antarctica, there's there's a huge underground city there, isn't there?
And more.
Yes, yes, uh and more.
Uh very very um very hidden information and not many people talk about that, so I don't know exactly what's there.
But yeah, a lot of people do wind up in the underground.
I mean, there's even reports of like the the people on the planes that were supposed to hit the twin towers in 911, those those individuals all wound up in the tunnels under underground.
Um I don't know how much of that is accurate or not accurate, but uh there are well, I mean, the for sure the the people that have poured over the the southern border of the United States from Mexico into the US from Central America, a lot of those children and individuals go missing and and they have been reported to be bust or transported into the underground for for the occult to do whatever they're gonna do with them.
So yeah, lots of people, especially especially those that won't be missed.
Um and those that would be missed wind up perhaps with a clone on the surface or some kind of body double.
And um apparently what they can do now is pretty amazing with both makeup and also like CGI.
So uh who knows what we're actually seeing uh on television or in video is actually real and they're the f the original human, or if they're they're in a mask, or if they've got a voice altering, you know, capability, uh it's it's really hard to say.
I think we're in for this next next era is gonna be what's real and what's not real, you know.
Is this is this person real or not?
We we just won't be able to to tell.
I think we're there already.
And can if my final question is can these people can they practice transmigration of souls?
Can they can they do reincarnation?
Um I have heard uh that's that's uh that's a hard question to answer.
I have heard that they try they try to.
I've heard that they had some kind of setup um that where they were capturing souls before they ascended, and they were returning them back to Earth.
Uh but I also heard that that setup got taken down and destroyed, so that that's not happening anymore.
Um and I it's been so long, it's probably been five years since I've listened to that video, so I can't tell you exactly what it was or or when it when it came down, but hopefully that's accurate.
And if it wasn't in um in practice, then they they have dismantled it and it's no longer occurring.
I think they can do a lot of things with both spirits and souls that most of us are you know, it'd be kind of mind-boggling if we we knew what they knew.
They they trade on souls, they trade it's uh like a currency, they trade on souls in a way that just kind of boggles my mind.
Um Bitcoin's been said to be um a trade on souls of babies who've been ritually murdered.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but even just the thought of it's kind of horrifying.
Yeah, you just opened uh another huge rabbit hole there that we're not gonna have time to go into.
I really enjoy I really enjoy our talks.
I hope we can do another one as well.
Well, I you Veronica, we are so totally gonna do another one.
Um that's uh guaranteed.
Um so long as neither of us is bumped off between now and the next time.
Um I'm gonna pray that that doesn't matter.
I'm gonna well I should pray too.
It's great talking to you.
Now where can people find your stuff?
Um I I have a couple places that I write, and uh if you're interested in in an introductory kind of um atmosphere, I recommend my substack, which is Veronica Swift blog.
Substack.com.
There I do um free posts.
I've been doing them every Wednesday until I kinda had to take a break this summer.
But I will resume doing then they're short posts.
They my goal is they take me uh a very little time to write a research and they're informative and they don't overwhelm and um they they bring enough information so that it's interesting but it doesn't send you over the edge, which uh a lot of this information can do all at once if you're not prepared for it.
Uh and then I have my own website where I do kind of the you know weekly uh ten-page term paper essay.
Um deep dives where you know fifty references aren't uncommon sort of thing.
So if you're looking for something longer and more in-depth, uh I I am at VeronicaSwift.blog B-L-O-G.
And that's my own website.
And that is a um pay-to-play website, unfortunately, because the amount of harassment I get that information's behind a paywall, but it's 26 bucks for a year, which is not a good idea.
That's very overwhelming, actually, I would say.
Yeah.
And you are worth it.
You are worth it.
Well, thank you.
Thank you very much.
I'd love to help you.
I love the the the information that that helps people and helps people understand it, and they don't have to go through.
As this is a lot of work, I will say, doing what I do is a tremendous amount of work, and it's a lot of gathering of info, and it's a lot of sifting through of of uh of things because not all whistleblowers are articulate, and many of them have trouble putting into words what they have experienced, and so I try to distill it and sift it through it so everyone can get the gist of it without um without having to spend your entire life doing it.
So that's my goal.
Education of the world in an easier way than than might have been before.
And like you said, I don't know of anybody else that does it, so no.
You are worth supporting.
Um thank you, Veronica Swift.
Um, it only remains for me to say thank you, my lovely viewers and listeners, both subscribers or paid subscribers and non-paying subscribers.
I I love you all and I appreciate you you w watching my stuff.
And mind you, you you're quite sensible.
You know my stuff is good.
You know I you know I'm worth it.
So do consider supporting me as a paid subscriber on Substack.
Uh or you can uh buy me a coffee, or you can support my sponsors.
Yeah, you send me I I keep promising to to give my email address so you can send me money direct.
I um and I must sort out some stuff like Bitcoin bank details and stuff.
Um anyway, uh I will get my my act together one day.
Thank you again, Veronica Swift.
I must go off to my bell ring class now.
Um thanks a lot.
Enjoy!
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