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Welcome back to the Delling Pod.
Veronica Swift.
Mysterious, faceless Veronica Swift.
Veronica, I was really pleased that when we were, I tried to suggest we move the podcast earlier and you said, well, I might be busy doing my farming chores.
And I thought, this is the language I like to hear.
Have you got a small holding or what?
Small holding, yes.
I've got a little bit of property and enough to have some chickens and some other small animals that have to be fed in the morning and let out and all that jazz.
So I try to do that after it gets light enough so that the predators don't come around anymore, especially for the chickens.
Because they're free range.
So I let them out and they roam around the property.
But they still like a little bit to eat in the morning that they don't have to gather themselves.
What are your creditors?
Coyotes.
Yeah, we have coyotes and they're close.
We also have something that got a couple of them a couple months ago, and I'm not sure exactly what it was.
I haven't put up a trail camera yet to see what comes around at night.
But in the wintertime, we get some very, very big footprints in the snow.
So I'm wondering if there are also some large predators around.
We don't usually have very many deer around here, so I'm assuming that there are some big, big game animals that get a lot of the deer and they tend to hide pretty well.
Well, what's the biggest cat in America in the US?
Oh boy, I don't know.
I don't think we've got jaguars, but I wouldn't be surprised if we had mountain lions here.
I don't know if that's the bigot.
That's a good question.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, mountain lion sounds lion.
It probably is the biggest one around here.
So all we've got over here is foxes.
But the idea of a mountain lion trying to be a little bit more than a hundred.
They're big.
Yeah, they're big and they have big paws and their paws, paw prints in the snow are rather scary to see when they're prowling around your chicken coop.
Can I just say, by the way, Veronica Swift isn't your real name, is it?
Or is it?
Well, we don't know that, do we?
No, we don't know.
Okay.
It is for now.
Talking to you, you do not sound like a mad person.
You don't sound like a, well, I don't know what grifters sound like, but you don't sound like a grifter.
You sound like a sincere, real, decent person.
And yet you've carved out yourself this niche in what you might term conspiracy circles, which not many people read many people who seem to know their stuff as much as you do,
which leads me to the conclusion that either you are a brilliant fabulist, you just are just next level at making stuff up, or you've done your research and you know what you're talking about.
So tell me, how did you get into your particular area?
What your area is, we'll cover in a moment, although people familiar with our last podcast will know already.
But how did you get into this?
Well, I was teaching at a variety of different levels, and I had noticed in the United States the extreme shift from sanity to insanity, especially in the education system.
The influx of not just mild, but moderate and severe LGBT, Black Lives Matter propaganda, a serious shift from you can think what you want to you have to think our way, or we will literally fire you and make it so that you can't get hired anywhere else.
And this seemed to be happening to reasonable people.
I mean, my colleagues and co-workers were not unreasonable folks, but they were all terrified to do anything but hold toe the line and speak the litany, the line that the administration was giving them.
And I spent a long time, it was about five years, I think, just asking everybody I could think of, plus God, what is going on?
What is going on in the world?
Because I really don't understand it.
And I had grown up in a Protestant, a mainstream Protestant religion in the United States, Methodism.
And they hadn't really done a very good job of teaching us as kids and young adults that the world is owned and operated essentially by Lucifer, the devil at this point.
They kind of treated the Old Testament like it sort of different, didn't exist.
And they kind of treated Lucifer like he was a figment of everybody's imagination.
He was the equivalent of a ghost, of a non-entity.
It didn't really matter if you looked at him or not.
So I had not grown up understanding evil.
And I hadn't grown up understanding that the occult was real.
You know, witches and warlocks were for Halloween.
They weren't real individuals that practiced magic on Halloween and caused trouble for people.
And so after asking people for about five years, and God, for about five years, I stumbled upon my first occult whistleblower.
And that took me down a rabbit hole.
It just hit me listening to this person that this stuff may be the answer to my question.
The stuff that they were talking about might answer everything that was being, I don't know, it was so disruptive and so disturbing in the world.
And so I thought, I'm going to look more into this because I'm really curious if it's true, if my hunch is right, or if it's not right.
And then I kind of got down a rabbit hole.
And I had had kind of a year of being injured.
My knee was injured.
I had spent a lot of time sitting and a lot of time in bed recovering and not being able to walk and do the outside things that I usually had been doing.
So I got about three months into it.
I had filled a one and a half inch binder with notes and all sorts of miscellaneous articles I had printed out and read.
And I thought, I have to organize this better.
My brain doesn't work like this.
I'm an incredibly linear person.
I'm very ABCD in my learning.
I can't really go A, C, F, P, Z, and then back again.
It scrambles my mind.
So I thought, I'm getting all these bits and pieces.
Like this person has one bit, and another person has another bit.
And the third person has five bits, but they're in five different recordings.
So I just started organizing them.
And then I thought, well, maybe if I'm this confused, somebody else is too.
And I had wanted for a long time to learn the mechanics of doing an online blog.
I'd started one.
I'd done one, but it was bad and I didn't have the hang of it.
And it was like every first try we do at anything that's brand new.
It just, I had to scrap it because I had gotten myself in a little too deep and I didn't want to try to unwind it.
I really wasn't that skilled.
So I started another one thinking, nobody's going to read this.
I have some freedom to kind of play around with the online setup and figure out what I'm doing.
And so I started out small and wrote some small articles and then trying to figure out how to make a table of contents and do all that, the mechanical stuff.
Thinking all the while, well, you know, I've got time.
My old blog nobody read.
And I thought, this one nobody's going to read either.
So it doesn't matter what I do.
And then I think the fourth or fifth article that I wrote came out and suddenly a thousand people had read it.
And I just about fell off my chair.
I had no idea that people were interested in this because I didn't even know it existed.
And so that's how it started.
And I never anticipated to still be doing this five years later.
It's five years in like a month and ten days, I think, was the anniversary date from when I first stumbled into it in October of 2020.
And there's just so much information here.
And every rabbit hole I go down, every article I write brings up new topics that, you know, it's pretty much endless.
There's so much information.
This is so deep.
It goes so deep.
And it answers so many things about what's wrong with you.
I'm aware of that.
And I'm glad you've been doing research because I'm going to ask you some big picture questions in a moment.
I would say your substat, by the way, is an absolute must-read.
You provide information that I just don't see elsewhere.
I remember one flag.
It isn't elsewhere.
Sorry?
It isn't elsewhere.
No, it isn't elsewhere.
There was a fantastic essay which you wrote about flags and about the true symbolism of the LGBT whatever flag that you see flying everywhere.
And the American flag as well.
Lots of flags, lots of flags are designed specifically by occultists for occultists.
And we don't know this.
And we're flying them and pledging allegiance to them.
And they are, a lot of them, designed and built by the occult for the occult and presented to us, the unsuspecting public, as if they are for us.
but they really originate with them.
So this is one of the things you've learned, that these people are massively into their symbols and that they have to...
What is the purpose?
Do they...
Does it give them more power or does it sort of assert their dominance in the world or probably both those things?
Well, I think the main thing is that they can't talk about anything that they do.
I mean, these folks, they don't keep their books in their homes.
They don't keep notes in their homes.
They keep their living spaces quite clear of anything that would hint at what they're doing in what I would call their underground life.
Most of them have a cover life, a cover religion, and they profess things during the day, but then at night in the middle of the night, they're out doing satanic rituals or some kind of nefarious thing that they need or want to do.
And so because they're clean in their cover life and they prize secrecy pretty much above all else.
I mean, secrecy seems to be the number one thing for occultists.
So they developed a really extensive series of symbols that operate at different kind of levels of the system.
If you're a low-level person, it might mean one thing.
If you're a mid-level person, that symbol could mean multiple things.
If you're a high-level person, it's going to mean something possibly even entirely different.
And they use those to communicate with one another.
They put the symbols on corporations.
They put them on their business cards.
They put them on, you know, almost anything you can think of.
They put them on in the UK.
They put them on, I don't know what you call them, crests, I think, family crests or heraldic type information.
In the U.S., they put them on what we call state seals or county seals or even city seals, which have usually in the past been circular.
And they're just filled with things that look sort of normal to the average person, but to an occultist, they have a meaning and they're signifying what goes on in a state or a county or a city, what goes on in a family, what a family specializes in.
And so by just looking at that, people can, for example, travel and they can go and know where they can get something to eat, like as in cannibalism, food that they will eat at night.
They can find where they will get shelter or housing.
They can find where they will find people who are in their same groups.
Because the occult also has broken themselves up into a lot of small groups.
And a lot of them are titled Order of, Order of This, Order of That, Order of the Pelican, Order of the You name it.
There's probably a thousand of them.
The names, some of them I've heard, Order of the Brazen Serpent, Order of the Golden Circle, Order of the Monitor, Order of the Rosicrucians, Order of the White Eagle.
There are hundreds of these orders.
So people in the occult, especially in certain branches of the occult, can join these orders or they can join multiple orders.
Well, if they don't want to advertise, like in the newspaper or anywhere else, where these orders meet and where they do their thing, they can just put a symbol out and another individual can drive by, see the symbol, and know that that's where they need to go.
So it's, I think, primarily a system of communication.
So there's a similar thing going on with tramps and down and outs.
I'm sure it's the same in America.
They have these signs saying, this house will give you shelter.
Don't go near here.
This has got a dog.
These are unfriendly, et cetera, et cetera.
It's the same thing.
Yeah, it's the same concept for a group of people, like tramps or in the United States when the Underground Railroad was in operation, the same kind of thing.
Certain patterns on certain quilts would be held on, you know, put outside on a clothesline, and that would mean essentially the same thing.
You can get food here, you can get shelter here.
The occult does the same thing, except it's a much more elaborate system of symbols.
It seems to be worldwide, and it's kind of mad ingenious.
So, okay, just on the LGBT plus flag thing, they've persuaded us, the sort of the uninitiated, the what do we call the I think they call us the useless eaters.
Well, the useless eaters, yeah, yeah.
They call us the profane, don't they?
Because they consider themselves the sacred.
We're the profane.
Sometimes, yes.
There's that funny-colored flag, and they've persuaded us that this is just about celebrating equal rights for people of all different genders.
But you've discovered it's about something else.
The seven deadly sins.
So they're celebrating and forcing us to celebrate what the Catholic Church considers to be seven deadly sins: sloth, envy, gluttony, rage, or anger.
And I don't remember all of them off the top of my head, but yeah.
So all the different colors are associated with the seven deadly sins.
Pride, yes, that's a big one.
Yeah, that's a big one.
I mean, they want us to join in and celebrate things that if you're a Christian, you would not consider yourself celebrating, whether Catholic or not.
None of us want to celebrate any of those kinds of deadly sins in our life because it just invites all sorts of trouble.
So each of us is a particular sin.
Yes.
And then they've got the kind of the triangular addition of a pink, a blue, a black, a white.
At least in the U.S., they've added that to one corner, one end of the flag.
And those colors mean something else.
The white stands for Lucifer.
I think the black is for sloth.
I don't know what the pink and blue are.
That hasn't been released.
So I get my information from whistleblowers who have come out of the occult who know these things.
So I just take my information from folks who are courageous enough to say it in public.
And I gather it and write articles about it.
And people tend to harass me for writing about it because the occult doesn't want this stuff out in public.
Yeah.
No.
Well, I mean, surely because this stuff is real, right?
When you serve Lucifer, by the way, can you clear something up?
I ask lots of people this, and I get different answers.
Is Lucifer the same as Satan?
As far as I understand it, Satan is a term that has been used interchangeably with Lucifer.
But Satan is also more of a title.
So it can be considered more general than Lucifer.
I think it's kind of similar to whether we call him Chris Kringle or Santa Claus.
It's a little bit of a preference for folks.
But Lucifer literally is the fallen angel, the fallen being who fell with a third of the angels from heaven and fell to earth, now has dominion over earth, and is a human being in some forms.
And so this is what blew my mind, especially in the beginning, is that demons are real.
Fallen angels, fallen angels are real.
And most of us can't see them, but some in the occult can.
Some in the occult can see them.
They can see what they call in the spirit world.
So they can see angels, they can see demons, they can see what we would call ghosts, they can see what we would call spirits wandering around.
And Lucifer has been seen by many, many, many whistleblowers who were formerly in the occult.
And what does he look like?
He comes in a number of different forms, according to them.
One is a dragon.
One is a very dashing human being.
And the others I've listed, if you get my book, which is free in PDF form on my website, there's a whole section on Lucifer, and it describes what many whistleblowers have said about him.
Right.
Okay.
And presumably, if you worship Lucifer and these demons, who are presumably his sort of minions to do his presumably all the demons answer to Lucifer, don't they?
Right.
So it's been described, and I've heard it said that it's kind of like a military structure.
So Lucifer would be the top commander, the general, the head general.
And then he's got his, you know, the tier just below him.
So those would be demons like a Zazel or Asheroth or Leviathan, Toth, folks like that, demon folks like that.
What about them?
And then below that.
Yep, Baal would be one of them.
Yep.
There are, I think, anywhere between, I think, eight and twelve are general, Esmodeus, and a few others.
Yeah.
And do they also take different forms?
I mean, isn't Leviathan some kind of sea monster creature?
Sea monster creature is what he's been described as that I've heard, yes.
And some like Baal are what are called horn demons, so they have horns.
I think Moloch is in that category as well.
I don't know if those demons, or we could also call them principalities, right?
I don't know if they often take different forms.
I haven't heard that said, but I do know that Lucifer seems to be kind of a demonic shapeshifter, if you will.
Right.
But he's only visible to people with these practitioners of the occult.
He doesn't appear in normal life ever.
Not that I know of.
You know, I'll never say never, but I think to this point I've only heard certain whistleblowers say that they have seen him in his regular locations, which mostly seem to be in specialized areas underneath the earth.
There are a lot of tunnels under the surface.
There are lots of cities under the surface of the earth.
And that seems to be the location where he shows up most often.
Right.
Well, how many, what percentage of the population would you say are practitioners of these dark arts?
Wow, that's a good question.
I really don't know.
I think it's probably higher than we assume.
I do know that at one point, so there are different levels of individuals in the occult.
I say that the top levels, there's a small handful of them.
And then the kind of mid-levels, maybe tens of thousands.
And at the lower levels, I believe we're talking in the millions.
Really?
Those millions are consciously worshiping Lucifer?
Conscious is a hard word because most of the people in the occult are what we call programmed.
Nobody really does this willingly.
There's a really, from what I understand, a very small percentage of people who do this and really love it.
The rest of them are more or less forced into doing it.
And they're kept there by blackmail or they're kept there by threat of violence.
Lots of children watch pets being murdered in front of them or family members being murdered in front of them if they fail to comply with the program.
So most people learn at a young age that they either have to do what they're told pretty much immediately without question, or there are serious things that will happen in their life and possibly, you know, even they will be killed.
And I've watched people lose family members.
I've watched people lose their own life who have done this expose work.
So it's, yeah, it's a difficult thing to watch.
Yes, I'm sure.
It's a bit like sort of losing your like running aspiring and losing your agents.
Yeah.
So am I right in thinking that mainly they recruit from bloodline families?
Yes.
So way back when, in the olden days of the Old Testament, in Genesis, it talks about how the fallen angelics essentially had their way with the daughters of men.
So there was an intermarrying, an intermingling of the genetics between angels and humans, which is kind of odd to think about angels having DNA, but that seems to be the case.
And the DNA from the fallen angels gave the progeny, the offspring, certain properties, and they have followed those offspring through genealogy and hidden records, like Vatican Library kind of hidden records, through many, many, many generations.
And so essentially, they know who is what we would call bloodline from this ancient DNA all the way from the old times to the present.
And those are the individuals that they have the best luck recruiting into the system and programming.
They seem to be easier to program in some ways than others are.
Those of us who aren't bloodline, we don't tend to have some of the abilities.
So I think, and this is my personal opinion only, I haven't found anyone yet to corroborate this.
But I think there are some qualities that the DNA and certain genes give to these bloodline individuals that makes them desirable to be a worker within this Luciferian system.
Give me one second.
There's a door that's banging.
that's really annoying me.
Sure.
Um, yes.
So they can presumably that's the same thing as the blue blood that is valued by the aristocracy.
Yeah, I think that would be one way of terming it.
Yes.
So, yeah, they like to keep it in the family.
They like to presumably the bloodlines get diluted over the years, which is why they're keen to kind of intermarry, to keep that Nephilim DNA in the lines.
Absolutely.
In fact, you're not going to find many occultists marrying outside of the bloodline.
So they make sure, whether that's through coercion or other means, in making sure that people marry within the system with other bloodliners.
They've also done a lot of work to make sure that the bloodlines that are desirable, they have those individuals and they breed them with other people.
So they have an entire what is called a breeding program.
Most of it's underground.
And a lot of it are individuals that are bred with certain desirable men, and they have babies, and then those babies are tested for gifts or qualities.
And so they have kind of a, you know, if we think of a plant breeding program where you're looking for certain qualities in the fruit or the vegetable, they do the same thing with humans.
They're looking for a desirable quality.
And they're also looking for a preponderance of the bloodline.
So there are actually 14 different bloodlines that they're interested in.
13 of them are what we would call just regular out in the world.
And then the 14th bloodline is what's termed the Muslim Brotherhood.
So the 14th bloodline is very intermarried and very closed off and very closely held.
And yes, it's pretty much from what I can gather the exact same Muslim Brotherhood term that we would use in the regular terminology for the third world.
So the Islamic world is also a part of this occult system.
Those other 13 bloodlines, some of them have very famous names.
If you've heard of Fritz Springmeier, he wrote a book and he delineated some of the common names.
So like Russell and Collins and Lee and DuPont and exactly.
But especially in the United States where all those families came in, there was a lot of intermingling and intermarrying.
You're now finding that the names aren't prevalent anymore.
So you're not going to, you may at the top level, at the very highest level, find many Collins's or Russells or DuPont's, et cetera.
But at the lower levels, they're just going to be names that are common in everyday life that won't trigger anything in your mind in terms of, hey, this might be an occult bloodline, like Cox.
Cox is an occultic bloodline now that has some notoriety, but isn't as well known as the others.
And do they have different specialities, the bloodlines?
I think that's, yeah, you could probably say that.
I mean, some of them have specialized in banking, like the Rothschilds.
Some of them specialize in transportation, like the railroads or oil.
Oil is huge.
The Bushes, the Bakers, the other large occult families, for example, like in Houston, Texas, and the oil industry.
On the West Coast, a lot of them are in Hollywood or they're in kind of the San Francisco Finance District, things like that.
So, yeah, they do tend to specialize.
But the occult overall really wants mastery of all the disciplines.
You're going to find them in the upper ranks of education.
You're going to find them in government.
You're going to find them in industry, everywhere.
They just, they want in science, and that's the whole COVID nonsense, right?
And the vaccine that was available three months after the COVID thing came out, except in reality, they were building it in 2004.
Some of the patents went back that far.
So they're everywhere and they surround us at this point.
And yeah.
Well, this brings me to my next big question, which is, given that the devil, Lucifer, is the prince of this world, and given that these bloodline families are the seed of the, you'd call them seed of the serpent, wouldn't you?
They're the offspring of the Nephilim.
And given that they have limitless, limitless money and entrenched power going back millennia, would I be right in thinking that everyone in a position of power is basically one of them?
Almost without exception, yes.
Whoa.
And that applies to things like Hollywood as well, all the big ass.
Yes.
You're not going to get a contract in Hollywood without being somehow initiated into whatever specialty they want you to be initiated.
And to be initiated, you've got to be one of the families, really.
Pretty much, yes.
Right.
Which is, where are you on, for example, Taylor Swift being, she does look very much like that witch woman, doesn't she, LaVey?
Yeah, yeah.
There's also a lot of cloning that goes on, seems to go on.
Twins and multiple embryos.
So they tend to bring out individuals that look a lot like other individuals.
And my guess would be that they have, if you read Svaly or other individuals who know a little bit about cloning, Svaly was born as a, I think she's one of three.
I think she was a triplet.
And they do that deliberately because she was part of the Jesuit order.
She was a Jesuit father.
And they swap them out.
So she had assignments to infiltrate in the United States and in Israel and I think Germany and other locations.
And when they needed her somewhere else, they would just swap in a twin and let that twin do, you know, do the look-alike job when she herself wasn't in that house, in that location anymore.
So I think they've got a lot of nefarious ways of making multiples out of people.
There are even reports that I haven't dug into too hard, but that they have underground, kind of like, I don't know what you call them.
They're like artificial wombs, essentially, where they grow and birth babies simply for cloning purposes alone.
So they have multiples of many people.
So I wouldn't doubt that Taylor Swift, among many others, probably has a lookalike that might be an identical twin.
And sometimes they, you know, if you do this with embryos, you can bring them out at different staggered times.
So you could birth one at a certain date and birth another 10 years later and birth a third 10 years later.
So it becomes a little harder to see.
But I think they do do things like that.
When they've got the magic ingredients of really good, good Nephilim blood, you kind of want to make sure you get them out there.
Right.
Now, they've also, just to blow your mind a little bit, apparently also tried to concentrate the Nephilim genetics.
And they have birth babies that are highly Nephilim, if not almost completely Nephilim.
And those children, if you read the stories about those, they're pretty horrific.
Those kids are, they delight in violence.
They have absolutely no conscience whatsoever.
The Jesuit order, according to Svaly, had to kill one of the early Nephilim children that they created in a lab because they couldn't control him.
He was a danger.
At five years old, he was a danger to so much and so many people that they had to scrap him and start over.
So Nephilim are nothing to be toyed with.
They are dangerous.
Yes.
Because in Paradise Lost, the fallen angels are almost sympathetic characters.
They were making their long, elaborate Nortonian speeches.
And you think, well, they've been cast out of heaven and there they are in hell with rebel angels.
But actually, the real ones are much nastier than the ones in Milton.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
From what I understand.
I mean, that's why God said, I'm just going to wipe everything out, right?
The Old Testament, he said, I can't, this is the evil that springs from the heart of everybody is so awful.
I can't fix it.
I'm just going to wipe everybody out and start over.
Yes.
To one of your earlier points, I did a piece about, I can't remember what, on my sub stack.
And one of the commenters put, Genesis and Exodus aren't Christianity.
And I was thinking, quite a few Christians seem to be New Testament only people.
And that's missing a lot.
Yes, well.
Yeah.
And I would call that part of the infiltration of Christianity that has happened by the occult.
Their goal is to train people, especially pastors, and send them in and teach them things that, like for me, my upbringing didn't go into any of that.
And I was in a very, very large nationwide, in fact, worldwide church empire pretty much.
And they just don't go into it at all.
And so it's not an uncommon belief, especially in the United States, that the Old Testament is irrelevant to everything, except the Old Testament sets up the stage for Jesus Christ.
Without the Old Testament, there is no reason for Jesus Christ.
Without the occult, without witchcraft, without Nephilim, without all these dastardly things that happened in the Old Testament that are directly related to the occult, to the bloodlines, to the fallen angels who taught the woman sorcery and witchcraft.
And you can read about this in the Old Testament, except if your church says, oh, well, it doesn't exist, then you're not going to hear about it unless you go and research what I do in the occult and go, my goodness, they really managed to pull the wool over our eyes in a really bad way.
Is it your understanding, and I mean, we've all got different takes on this, but after Christ, can the descendants of the Nephilim be redeemed?
I think that God desires for every individual, no matter what we, you know, if you want to call him a species or a demon, I think he desires redemption for everybody.
And I think if the fallen angels went and repented, he would invite them back.
That's my hope at any rate.
But if they don't, and I think he's given them plenty of time to do that, so if they have decided not to, then eventually they're going to be in for whatever permanent fate they're in for.
So as you know, because we talked about this last time, I would have, I had what you might call an elite education.
So I would have been hanging out with these people, and some of these people would be my friends.
They probably still are.
Yeah, we're exactly.
So I'm thinking of one or two.
And some of them are delightful, charming people.
Do they have a kind of are these what you call altars?
Do they have sort of split personalities?
So they have the kind of the nice, socializing, friendly, friendly with people like James Dellingpole side, and then they have their kind of evil, dark, splintered personalities.
How does it work?
I'd say they have a front part and they have a cult loyal part.
So when the occult, when it takes a child and it essentially breaks them, and they can do that through trauma, through extreme trauma, through torture, through near-death experience, or death experience and then bringing them back to life or doing that repeatedly or putting them in a pit with a bunch of vipers or putting them through scenarios where they have to stay alive through really difficult circumstances.
There could be a lot of different kinds of trauma that they use.
They can break a child.
If you're like under age six, five, six, the child's mind is so plastic and the trauma is so great that they can actually splinter off a piece of their own mind and encapsulate it.
I think of it like a balloon.
It captures that incident and the unbearable emotions that go along with it, and it creates a bubble around it for protection.
Otherwise, the child would probably die.
And these bubbles of experience and emotion that get walled off in a child's brain then prevent them from accessing that information.
And so that's deliberate by the mind to protect them.
But in the end, it's also beneficial for the cult because that brain doesn't communicate well with all of its parts.
So the child can't really access those pieces of information, but they can also not access then a large part of their own self because their self is walled off.
So they call that dissociative identity disorder or dissociation, where that just piece just goes away.
It's kind of the same thing in adults when, say, you are in a bad car accident and most people come out of it and they really can't remember what happened.
They can kind of remember up to when the accident happened, but there's oftentimes an amnesia that happens around the actual trauma of the accident.
And then afterwards, when they wake up, they know something's happened, they're injured or whatnot, but they can't just remember exactly what the situation was.
And that's true for a lot of people in the occult.
They remember the normal parts of their life, but the difficult parts of their life are often walled off and unavailable to them.
Well, if you do that deliberately, there are ways that the occult has designed to do this deliberately so that they then can do what's called program them, which is essentially like creating a robot.
Like they would give a code or a color or a smell or a number to the child and associate it with a task, for example, that they had to do.
And then one of the techniques that's been described is that they would just put the child through a scenario time after time after time after time where they give the code and expect the child to perform the action.
And that's called programming, where they wind up being a little bit of a robot.
So if a code is given, they automatically do something without ever having to think about it.
That memory, that action is held in their unconscious.
They're not consciously able to access it.
And then on the flip side, they also make sure that these individuals have a presenting part, a forward part that is operating during the day, that goes to school, that goes to work, that functions in normal, that goes to parties, that talks to people.
But they're not going to be aware of what is in their unconscious deep in their unconscious that probably is only triggered at night for a night ritual or a night job or may only be triggered when they go to a location.
So that's a long but simple answer to a really complicated set of things that happens with pretty much everybody in the cult.
I don't know of many people that aren't programmed in some way.
And so they may look normal on the outside, but underneath they have a lot of troubles.
So basically, if you're friendly with these people and you want to invite them to dinner, they're not going to be available on midsummer ones.
Right.
At 3 a.m. on the solstice, probably not.
Yeah.
So what are they doing on those days?
Well, a lot of their, in the United States anyway, there are high ritual days where everybody's required to gather or they're required to gather a certain number of times a year.
So they may have four or five high ritual days and they go to the big ones, two or three of those.
And then there are monthly gatherings that happen for rituals that happen every month.
And depending upon your level and what groups you're in, you may be required to go to those.
And typically, so what's happened is that because of the introduction of cell phones, it makes it very easy for the occult to target individuals because everybody has their own personal cell phone.
They've got their own number and they can simply activate the cell phone.
Cell phone rings.
They pick it up.
It's got a code or a tone or something that will trigger them to go somewhere, do an action, take their car, drive somewhere.
It's why some survivors who are trying to get out, they take their cell phone, they lock it in the trunk of their car or the boot, as you guys call it in Britain.
They lock it in their car overnight so they don't hear it ring, so they don't get triggered, so they don't go to these activities.
And are we talking ritual sacrifice?
That's one of the things they do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there are human orgies.
There are orgies with demons.
They call those revels.
Those seem to happen every month.
There are sacrifice requirements.
Blood is really important in many ways that I don't fully understand in the occult.
In the same way that Jesus' blood, when it was spilled, was very important as a redemptive factor for all of humanity.
The demons, the Molochs and the Balls and the Astroths, etc., require a lot of blood.
And they require a lot of blood as kind of a contractual agreement.
So they require the blood, they require the sacrifice because the humans, they're trading with the humans.
The humans want the power of the demons.
In the occult, power comes from the demons.
So they have to make contracts with the demons.
They have to give the demons what they want to get in return the power that allows them to, for example, be in a fight and win the fight over their neighboring witch or warlock that they're trying to gain power or territory or status from.
So it's a very combative group at many levels.
There's a lot of vying for position and a lot of backstabbing and a lot of the more contracts you can make, the better off you may be.
I see.
So, I mean, I often say this, but it's good to have it confirmed that if you consort with demons and you swear your allegiance to Lucifer, you do get stuff in return, don't you?
In return for your soul.
So what sort of things can they do?
So you've suggested superhuman strength and presumably money and power as well.
I would imagine, yeah, I think also like, you know, help during battle.
So apparently some of these folks do a lot of ritual battles for instead of going to an interview and winning the interview and getting the higher level job in your company, these folks just go to battle, some of them, at some point, and they fight with the other candidates.
And whichever candidate has the most demonic power and the most skill wins the fight and they win the position.
Is that what Fight Club is about, that movie?
I haven't watched that movie, but I don't know.
What is it?
The saying in Fight Club that everything's secretive and you're not supposed to let any of that information out of the world.
The first rule of a fight club is no one takes up a fight club.
I mean, that's how movies work, isn't it?
The revelation of the magic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's very much the occult.
The first rule is the rule of silence, the code of silence, they call it, in some groups.
They have to keep all of this secret.
And when they let it out, there are often consequences.
So are you saying that they sort of go into the ring and have bare-knuckle fights, or do they wrestle?
Swords?
Yeah, that's what I've heard.
That was one of the first things I learned were about some of these fights that happened.
So they go to specialized arenas in very clandestine locations and castles in Europe or in grand mansions in the United States where they have hidden access to the underground or arenas that can be fought in.
And some of them do.
They fight for position.
They fight for dominance within their particular specialty, especially those that have.
Sorry, there's a dog about to jump on the bed.
So they fight for position.
They fight for dominance in their specialty.
It's very much based on skill and demonic help.
And whoever's got the better skill seems to win.
It's a bit like Dungeons and Dragons, where you've got these various levels.
And the more points you accumulate, the better you are in fights.
It's funny, isn't it?
How so much of everything in the occult world has its analog in the material world.
Yes, it's so annoying.
Yeah, it's so annoying because they bring it all out and they say, oh, here's a grand new game you can play.
Not knowing that, okay, some of the spells are real spells and some of the creatures are real creatures.
It's like reading the Hunger Games, right?
Those books have been described as real activities within the occult.
These games that go on, these things that are played with.
And I just recently myself read The Hunger Games.
There's genetically modified critters that are part of it.
And the individuals really do die.
And when they die, they're out of the game for good.
They play hunting games.
And I think the cover in Britain are fox hunting.
And I sometimes think that those aristocratic gatherings are, yeah, maybe they have a fox hunt during the day, but maybe they have a child hunt at night where they're going after the kids.
This is disturbing for me, Veronica, because I do go fox hunting.
But you're going during the day, and they're not inviting you at night that you know.
I mean, hunting people are quite racy types, and there are a fair smattering of elite people among them.
Yeah, that's a disturbing thought.
The woman who wrote The Hunger Games, she's obviously an insider.
I would say yes.
She comes, I think, from a Virginia background, but probably military or naval maybe, I think.
Well, Collins is a high-level bloodline name.
So if that's her real name, then she's from a high-level line of witches.
Like Joan and Jackie Collins, who I believe are both fit into that.
Joan Collins is also a high-level witch.
I think she's a West Coast Grand High Priestess.
And am I not right in thinking that the Kardashians are a coven as well?
I don't know if they're a coven, but they're definitely in the occult, for sure.
Yeah, you just wouldn't get to that level.
Do you think Kanye, do you think he's tried to escape?
Yeah, I think he's in.
He tried to escape.
They brought him back.
they hospitalized him, which is not uncommon, especially for, well, for individuals a little younger than he is.
So say you see a lot of elite level teenagers who kind of have a, they go great.
They go a little nuts in their late teens, early 20s.
They do a lot of drinking.
They get yanked back into a quote-unquote alcohol rehab center or some kind of program.
Except I think it's really a reprogramming program to kind of bring them back in after they've kind of gone a little nuts, which the occult can make a lot of people a little nuts or a lot nuts because it's just a really, really difficult life to lead.
Yeah, it doesn't sound enjoyable on any level.
It's quite a serious business pleasing Lucifer, isn't it?
I would think yes.
Yeah, a lot of sacrifice, a lot of awful things, a lot of requirements.
A friend of mine who's coming out of the occult said, you know, if you saw the spreadsheet list of things that these people had to do every day as requirements for their position or their job, you would just, you know, be drop-mouthed because they have a lot of things that they are required to do.
And other survivors have said they have quotas, essentially.
They have to do a certain number of evil things, in whatever their specialty is, whether that's trying to infiltrate or take down Christian churches or whether it's a sexual perversion or whether it's some kind of drug or alcohol-related thing.
They have to do something that's in line essentially with the seven deadly sins.
They sort of pick a deadly sin that's their specialty, and then they have to do enough stuff within that specialty to keep themselves in a state of iniquity, I would call it.
So you have two.
I think we talked about this last time, but you basically have two camps, right?
You're either in the sort of Christian Judaic father God camp, or you're not.
And Satan capitalizes on those who are not.
And he also tries to keep people who would like to be obedient and happy to be in good standing with God.
He tries to keep them in very bad standing by doing all these things that Christians shouldn't be doing.
Yeah.
How does the structure work?
it as described by jesse sabota i mean is it the the five five mothers of darkness is that who i mean who's top dog Below?
Who's top dog?
Right now, the Antichrist.
On the human level.
So top dog right now seems to be the Antichrist, at least within her corner of the Brotherhood.
I'm not so sure there aren't different structures.
I'm not so sure that the Brotherhood is definitely, it may be worldwide or it may not be.
I'm not entirely sure.
But at least in the United States and some of Europe, it seems to be the main occult structure.
At the top of that, right now, head of that is the Antichrist.
It used to be Five Mothers of Darkness with the Queen Mother of Darkness or the head lady being the top dog, at least of the human beings on planet Earth.
I think there are definitely, we'll call them spirit beings who are over the human level on planet Earth.
There are what we might call aliens or extraterrestrials.
It's just another fancy name for other kinds of beings that are, I think, in the fallen angel category, but might have slightly different genetics.
So there's a human hierarchy that's run now by the Antichrist, except nobody knows who he is, and he hasn't shown himself to date.
So he's a hidden figure.
And then beneath that is what used to be called the Committee of 300, and there are books written about the Committee of 300.
And then I think it morphed into being called the Druidic Council.
Druids are an integral part of The Worldwide Brotherhood, as well.
They're in high number, especially in Great Britain.
For whatever reason, I haven't really figured that out.
Also, in Hollywood, and on the west coast of California, it seems they're in high number.
So, the Committee of 300, whether you call it the Druidic Council, the Committee of 300, the Satanic Council, now it's called the Galactic Federation, apparently.
They keep renaming it.
And also, that's to confuse everybody and to try to hide what they are, who they are, and what they're doing.
So, this was called the Committee of 300 because it has 300 seats, apparently.
And families from the 14 bloodline families take they send one person as a representative for those seats.
The seats are ranked, so there are higher power seats and lower power seats.
And so, you could have, for example, say it's Harry takes one of the seats at one point, and maybe William takes that seat at some time.
So, they have families and they rotate people in and out of those seats.
And those people take orders from the top.
So, Lucifer gives orders to the Antichrist, the Antichrist gives orders to these individuals, high-level, high-ranking people on this committee.
They disseminate that information out to kind of their mid-level lieutenant-rank individuals or majors, if we're talking U.S. military hierarchy.
And then it goes to the ranked troops of the occult at the basic levels, the local levels, whether it's a coven, whether it's a temple, whether it's a you know, whatever group they're operating in, the order of whatever.
Those people are the last to get the information.
So, basically, it's a top-down structure.
Information comes from the highest level, and it filters down through channels just in the same way military orders would filter down through channels down to the basic people who then do the work at the bottom level.
So, there's discussion among Bible scholars, debate, let's say, about whether there's one Antichrist or the many Antichrists.
But according to your theory, there's just one.
Well, that's what we've been told.
I don't know.
I think there are also Antichrists in waiting.
Like, I don't think they expect one to always be able to do the job.
They train many, I think, and they elevate one in whatever way they would do that.
I don't exactly know if it's another battle between the candidates for the Antichrist and the one that wins the battle gets that position.
I'm not, I have no idea if that happens or not.
Or they maybe get picked or chosen by Lucifer and appointed.
And I would imagine that they have been doing this and training Antichrists because they don't know exactly when they're going to need him.
They don't know exactly when to bring him out.
They don't know the timing.
So, the occult may be able to try to see a lot of things in advance, and they have futuristic seeing capabilities with like the looking glass kind of instrumentation, etc.
But they can't see everything and they can't really predict the future.
So, they've got them waiting, and they're waiting for whenever the time is right.
And if that Antichrist dies, then they just bring up the next one in line.
So, that's how I'm imagining it happening.
And they don't know because, as Jesus tells us in the wise and foolish bridesmaids, that they don't, no one knows when the time is.
So, you've always got to be ready.
So, ultimately, presumably, God decides when the moment is.
Yeah, I've always seen, you know, it's a hard thing to look at because it's kind of the way I've viewed it is that the occult isn't necessarily doing God's bidding, but they're trying to bring about their own revelation style end.
And I don't even know if that's real or not.
I mean, God, I'm presuming, has his own plan.
If he has a revelation-style plan, I would doubt that he's feeding it through the occult.
So they seem to be trying to create and push forward a revelation scenario.
But God may have something else in mind.
You know, he may have a different revelation, a different end time, a different sequence of events that he's just going to steamroll over the occult and all their plans.
Their best-laid plans may come to nothing in the end.
Well, I'd jolly well like to think so, Veronica.
Otherwise, we've met the wrong team, haven't we?
Right.
Exactly.
So it sounds like this Antichrist is a recent thing, a recent appointment.
Yes.
I think the, and I'm not going to get the date exactly, but I'll say somewhere between 2018 and 2022 is when I think that the switchover happened.
And the switchover happened.
It was supposed to happen in a series of rituals where they opened what are called living books and a living book that can only be opened by one particular individual.
And so it's just a series essentially of rituals that give, theoretically, transfer the power from the five mothers of darkness over to the Antichrist candidate, whoever that might be.
But that happened during that time.
Jesse Zabota was supposed to go to those, but did not attend.
And so she thinks that despite the lack of her presence at these ceremonies, that they just kind of said, oh, well, we're going to install him anyway.
I think Mucifer, at least in this scenario, he does a lot of pomp and circumstance.
It seems like he requires a lot of ritual that I'm not sure means much in the end, which is good for the rest of us.
How do you decide whether these people that you talk to are for real or whether they're just kind of making stuff up?
I mean, I had, what's his name, Reynolds?
What's his name?
Nathan Reynolds.
Nathan.
Nathan Reynolds, yeah.
And as always, when I have, and it was the same with Jesse Zabota.
I had, I'd say, 20% or 25% of people saying, how can you fall for this bullshit that they're just kind of grifters, scamps, gamsters?
How do you know?
You don't.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And, you know, that was part of the first couple of chapters that I wrote.
I said, I could be being duped.
We all could be being duped.
And there's no way to know except to look into it and to try to discern, to try to have, you know, enough sense to say this stuff doesn't fit or it does fit.
And what I found is that if you look at enough whistleblowers, it all fits.
So I may not be able to say that Jesse Zabota says everything 100% perfectly correct.
But if I add in 50 more whistleblowers coming out of the occult and every single one of them has their own personal experience of some variety of what she said, can I be fairly certain that all of them are not telling the same stupid story that isn't true?
And I've chosen to believe that the preponderance of the evidence is probably more accurate.
So the way I came into it was learning about one story, but the way I've approached it since then is to learn as many different life stories.
So I'm studying their biographies, what they've told about what they experienced in the occult.
And I find most of their stories to be remarkably similar.
And after I got to a certain point, I also started to get people messaging me who are not public.
There are a ton of survivors from the occult system who are just not going public with their story because it is so incredibly hard to do so.
The amount of backlash that public whistleblowers get is staggering.
The amount of backlash I get from believing them is staggering.
I read your article that you wrote after you interviewed Nathan Reynolds, and it was 100% spot on.
People get vicious, they get violent, they get very nasty.
I've gotten numerous death threats just for listening and just for trying to understand and for writing about multiple people who have come out against all this crap that they do, these violent things that they do, the heinous, heinous, heinous things that they do.
And a lot of people, I think, just cannot.
Their brain can't take that first step.
They've got cognitive dissonance that's too strong for them to say, I'm going to suspend disbelief for a little while.
Let's say this is true.
I'll look into it and then I'll make a decision later on.
Many people cannot do that.
I've noticed this.
I've noticed that even in awake circles, let's say, people who are very comfortable talking about the moon landings were faked and JFK and 9-11 and even Paul is dead.
But quite a lot of them will not go to this next level of things like adrenochrome, child sacrifice, Satanism, the occult.
I think it's kind of a cope in a way.
They don't want to go there.
It's really hard to begin.
Yeah.
The hurdle in the beginning is the grief that you go through learning about what they do.
What they do is horrendous.
The torture, I mean, skinning someone alive is not uncommon as a means of torture in this group.
But thinking about that happening, you have to go through a period of grief, at least I did, and many people that I know have to go through a period of horror and grief.
And some people can't willingly take that step.
I will assure you, if you do take that step, though, there is another side to it where it doesn't hit you so hard emotionally and you've got the sense of what happens.
And then you can read further and start to understand the structure and how they work and what's required and who's in.
But it does take that takes that first step and it takes acknowledging that you've got those emotions and realizing that there are a lot of people that are going through awful things that we don't know about.
And there's not much at this point we can really do to physically help.
We can't go down in the tunnels and rescue the kids because they've got that sealed off with not just physical individuals blockading them, but also demonics.
They have demonic guards that won't let individuals pass or will kill people who try to pass.
So it's not like we can go down and rescue the children that are being cannibalized or ritually sacrificed or that are being drained of blood for adrenochrome.
And I think that's what most of us want to do.
We want to take immediate action to prevent this from happening.
And when we can't, we have to sit with these emotions.
It's hard.
Yeah.
What is the black eye thing?
Well, from what I've heard, it's part of a ritual that requires them to, again, swear not only allegiance, but to silence.
It's a code of silence ritual.
It may be part of, some of it's part of a Masonic ceremony.
And if you're hearing that going, the Masons aren't part of the occult, I'm here to tell you differently.
There are two different, I'd say two different sections of Freemasonry.
And one of them is definitely occultic, and the other one definitely is not.
So if you are part of Freemasons that you don't think are occultic, then that's fine.
But there is a definite section that they hold the mysteries.
This is a Nimrod thing.
So Noah's great-great-grandson essentially started Freemasonry by going underground with his knowledge of witchcraft.
So Freemasonry holds those keys and they are used by the occult.
So in part, the black eye is a reminder.
It's a public reminder to them to always keep silent.
Now, there's also another story that goes around that it's a vril, which is like an infective alien creature.
And the vril enters the eye and infects the human and kind of takes over their body and shifts their personality out.
And so this person's like an occupied, is occupied by an alien in the end.
And I, you know, I'm not sure.
I'm sure the Freemasonic rituals occur.
Not so sure about the Vril, but it could very well be possible that both happen at the same time.
The occult likes to do things so that it has multiple explanations for something, and sometimes none of them are correct.
And there's really a deeper hidden meaning that we don't learn about for a while.
So it could be any one of the above.
But it is remarkable, isn't it, how many public figures have suffered mysterious black eye incidents.
Yep.
Suffered.
Yeah.
Willingly brought on by original.
I mean, all the royals do, don't they?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And most public figures do.
There are people who have put together like massive montages of photos of public figures who all have one black eye, and it's usually the left eye.
And yeah.
So the one eye is also a symbol that goes way, way back to Egyptian occultism as well.
So that's another layer of that.
What else was I going to ask you?
There's so many problems.
There's so much I want to know.
I'm an open book.
Go for it.
Yeah.
Well, that's right.
You commented on another of my pieces about one of the tricks they do is to have somebody dressed up as Jesus who then attacks them or sexually abuses them or tortures them or something to get into the minds of these kids that Jesus is a bad thing.
Yeah, so Jesus can bring people out of the occult.
Jesus can break the spell, as it were.
So it's very important to the occult to make sure that, especially as a little child, Jesus is not a good figure.
Although they do it in kind of a weird way.
Usually they try to make Jesus attractive to a child initially, and they try to make them believe that he's good and that they can call on him for help and he will help them.
And then they pull the switcheroo and they dress someone up as fake Jesus and they sexually abuse that child.
And then they say to that child, well, why don't you call on Jesus?
He's supposed to save you.
Oh, wait, he's hurting you.
Oh, wait, maybe he's not so good.
So their faith is broken.
It kind of crushes their spirit and their will.
And a lot of them then don't think that Jesus is a good figure.
They don't know that they can call on him.
And so they don't.
And that's one way to extract yourself from the occult is by calling on the power of Jesus.
Aside from that, I don't know many other ways to truly get out.
A lot of people don't go that way because they have been so church abused.
But the individuals that I do know that are having success in extricating themselves, almost all of them seem to go that direction at some point.
Right.
But it's quite possible, isn't it, their local pastor or minister, not to mention bishops, that they're likely to be working for the other side.
Yeah, the number of higher-level individuals that are installed by the occult is astronomical.
Most what we would call mega churches here in the United States have at their head a pastor who was trained and who is a bloodline individual designed to be there specifically to give incorrect information and to make people go astray.
So they're teaching them the prosperity gospel or something that's not that's not quite accurate and is not going to get them not going to lead them to true freedom or redemption.
People like Billy Graham, Oral Roberts in the U.S., Robert Schuller, who had the Crystal Cathedral in south of Los Angeles for a while, Norman Vincent Peel even, lots of the New Age teachers, Elena Blavatsky, and even things like yoga, which is becoming more common in churches.
I wrote a piece on that, I think, in 2023.
I think that piece that I wrote pissed off more people than any other post I've ever written because a lot of people are really into their yoga and they don't want to give it up.
But the Eastern practice of yoga was designed specifically so that people would become open and receptive to receiving demonic spirits.
It's very similar in the way that sodomy also opens young boys up to receiving demonic spirits.
There are lots of different ways to do that, but yoga is one of them.
I'd heard about this sodomy thing.
I read somebody else who's an expert on this saying that they need to sodomize them before they're three years old.
And that's when they get the properly fractured personality and the demonic.
Yeah, that's one way to do it.
I think that the younger the child is, the more the mind will break and fracture.
And so they do tend to try to start that with children very, very young.
But even at an older age, say they didn't want to break your mind, but they did want to make you a host or demonize you, then sodomy will also work for that.
Plus, the occult just has a thing about homosexuality.
It's very important.
It's very prevalent.
And pretty much all of what we'll call the occult military, the occult has their own military arm.
There are groups like the Jesuits.
They're the assassin specialists, essentially.
But there's also the Jesuits are the assassin specialists.
I think that's one of their primary roles, yeah, is assassinating other people.
That's what they're trained for from a very young age.
Are trained to be excellent marksmans, have excellent markmanship, and know a thousand different ways to kill someone basically in plain sight.
So that's one of their specialties, as I understand it.
So that Jesuit university in DC, what's it called?
I've lost you.
Isn't there a Jesuit university?
Jesuit College.
You're going in and out right now.
I don't know if my mind is not.
Yeah, so people with a Jesuit training, you've got to be a bit, they're a bit suspect.
Still, you're still underwater.
I can't understand still what you said.
Sorry.
Oh.
This always happens, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe give it a second and it'll come back.
Is it called Georgetown University or something?
The Jesuit College?
Yeah.
That's a good question.
I am not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'd have to look that up.
I don't know.
I mean, in awake circles, there's a certain section which goes, it's the Jews.
And I say to them, look, these terms are meaningless.
It's not the Jews.
It's the devil worshippers, basically.
They have these kind of official religious affiliations, but they're nothing to do with who they really serve.
That's correct.
I mean, that would be their cover life.
So you can have Luciferians who are Catholic.
You can have Luciferians who are Protestant.
You can have them who are Muslim.
You can have Jewish.
And so their cover life religion doesn't have anything to do with worshiping Lucifer.
That happens at night.
And the cover life basically is just, you know, it's just to fool the public.
I say that, but I have had people who are Jewish fight me tooth and nail, saying, no, it's impossible.
If you're Jewish, you can't be a Luciferian.
And that's simply not true.
You absolutely can.
And there are some high-profile Jewish people who definitely are.
But there's also some high-profile Catholic bishops.
I mean, heck, the Pope is part of the current Pope, Leo the, I don't know, what is it, 9th, 10th, 11th?
I forget.
He's also been a named part of the Luciferian Brotherhood.
He was trained on the underground in Chicago, the same place that trained Jesse Zaboder.
She witnessed him being trained and doing Luciferian activities, and now he's the Pope.
And most of the cardinals would also fall into that position.
And this is not to say that Catholicism as a whole is bad or that every Catholic is bad.
That's not true.
And every Catholic Church doesn't engage in the worst heinous stuff on the planet, but many of them do.
And at this point in the discovery process in 2025, to say that the Catholic Church isn't engaged in some of this stuff is really putting blinders on, poking your head in the sand level.
It just is.
And Catholics, I think, I think the Mormons, who also are part of the Mormon temples and the temple rituals, which I'm going to be writing a post on pretty soon, are straight-up rituals, and they're straight-up Luciferian.
And Catholicism, yeah.
Catholicism also has its moments.
And a lot of things in the Catholic Church are just not good.
Do not ever kiss a statue of Jesus in the Catholic Church.
You don't know what they do with them.
It's pretty disgusting stuff.
So, and what they wash them in after they, yeah, I mean, they wash them in urine and blood, and then the little old ladies come in and kiss the feet the next day.
You don't know that thing in St. Peter's where the foot that you rub or you kiss it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know, but I wouldn't touch them, or especially not with your mouth, because you don't know where some of them have been.
And I'm not, again, I'm not saying all of them, but there are enough reports out of both the Mormon temple rituals and rituals that happen on the altar at night in Catholic churches that after you read enough of those accounts, they can't be dismissed.
So I know that the lovely ladies who are devout Catholics are not doing these things.
I'm not saying that.
But there is access to these churches and temples by Luciferians who do rituals.
They do sacrifice.
They gather the blood.
They eat the remains of the sacrifices.
We're talking about humans here.
Human, yeah, human sacrifice, because these demons and the demonic principalities require human sacrifice.
They require human blood.
Part of it for some of them is a nutritive requirement.
Like you have to feed a Nephilim child a diet of part blood or they don't thrive.
So part of it's part of it's just that that's what they have to eat and part of it's for power.
That's where the vampire story comes from.
Right.
Yes.
Well, vampires are also a division of the Luciferian Brotherhood.
They are part of the bloodlines, just like werewolves are.
They're part of the bloodline.
Well, I'd say the area that you would used to call the Ostrogoth, Visigoth tribes, the Romanian, Poland, Eastern European, Czechoslovakian area, maybe even Ukraine a little bit.
Those areas birth those bloodlines, and they are part of the occult.
They exist.
Vampires exist.
Werewolves exist.
These are all documented.
Yes.
Somebody told me that mermaids exist as well.
Yeah, I think we really have a lot to learn from the whole marine kingdom.
Not many people are talking about the marine kingdom at this point, but I do know that there's information out there that would probably blow people's minds.
And yes, from what I understand, mermaids do exist.
And they are, for lack of a better term, an occultic phenomenon.
Are they all baddies?
Or are they good mermaids as well?
I don't know.
I mean, I would say that since the vast majority of people who get conscripted into the occult don't want to be there, I think, you know, higher than 90% of the people are not happy that they're doing it.
They're doing it because they're threatened.
They're doing it because they're coerced.
They're doing it because they don't know what they're doing because they are unconscious of their own cult loyal parts.
So I would say that the vast majority of people in the occult are good people, desperate to get out, desperate to get out.
And they can't tell anyone and we don't, you know, as a society, as a worldwide society, we don't know enough about it to even offer to help, to even say, hey, how can we help them?
Well, I think prayer is one big way.
Prayer really, there's a story in a book by an ex-African warlock that has really changed my idea about the function of prayer in the spirit world.
And essentially, boiling it down to just a little bit, a tiny fragment of this chapter or two in his book, this gentleman describes prayer by a small group from a church in Africa as being so disruptive to the communication systems that they basically called a worldwide meeting and said, we have to stop these people.
30 people praying every day for, I don't know if it was a month or two months, was so disruptive to the spiritual communication system and the operations of the occult in the spirit world that they had to shut them down.
To me, that says volumes about the power of prayer.
Yeah.
Yeah, I must say I find it very, I say the Psalms every day, more and more actually.
And I find it very helpful.
I think it's got to be useful in God's war with the dark side.
I think so.
The more that we can keep our eyes and our mind occupied by good things, the better off we are.
And, you know, if you want to do something, which a lot of people have asked me over the years, what do I do?
Bring these people into your prayer life.
You know, think about them.
Talk about them to God every day.
Intercede for them.
It can only help.
I don't think it can hurt at all.
And I think if they had an inkling that a lot of people were doing this, it would bolster their courage.
And maybe more of them would have the gumption to exit the system.
The more people that exit the system, the less power Lucifer has, the less manpower he has, the more it is likely not to survive.
Jesse's a boater.
I remember you always get people trying to kind of pick holes in their arguments and explain to you why they're not real afterwards.
There was one thing that worried me slightly about Jesse, which is she seemed to have surprising faith in Donald Trump, which I thought was weird.
She still does.
She still does.
I think we all have our hang-ups, right?
And I think Donald Trump grew up in the system.
I believe she has noted that on some show or another that I probably could find the reference to if I looked for it.
I don't think she's denied that he grew up in the occult.
She believes that he is a force for good working among the bad.
I'm not, I don't know.
I can't say that I personally believe that at this point.
I had high hopes for Trump.
I certainly prefer him over Kamala Harris.
I think we're in the U.S. in a much better position with Trump than we would have been with Harris as a president.
She would have been a big-time disaster, in my opinion, and would have ushered us towards an occult-style revelation, you know, apocalypse, essentially.
Whereas I don't think that's happening necessarily with Trump.
I do believe he's trying to do at least some good things.
I suppose that we sort of pessimists or we, those of us who think these have got to be end times need to be mindful that human beings keep messing up with the dark side's plans.
So nothing is.
Yes.
Yeah.
And he could very well be messing with the Darkseid's plans and doing it behind the scenes.
And I think for me...
Is that when you speak to the assassination and stuff?
Yeah.
I just, I can't explain any of that.
I just can't.
I'm disappointed with the financial support for overwhelming financial support for Israel, because at this point, the genocide in the Middle East is just astronomical.
I mean, yeah, Israel has got to be one of Lucifer's favorite places, no?
Well, that's where the Antichrist is supposed to emerge and take over is from the Third Temple in Israel.
So, yes, I would say that's true.
Right.
Yeah.
And the stuff about the red heifers, sacrificing the red heifers.
Apparently, I've been told that that's kind of a cover story that's going on right now, and it's not necessarily real.
That's information from non-public whistleblowers.
So there's, I think, a bit of jockeying going on and some fighting and some infighting, perhaps.
There's definitely a switchover of power from Vatican and the Vatican City to Israel.
The financial power has switched over to Israel and the Sanhedrin.
But I think some of the other stuff is up in arms.
What worries me, at least in the U.S. with Trump, is I think at one point recently he tried to put in a kind of a gag order on everybody about Israel.
Like, you can't say anything bad about Israel or there will be consequences, which goes against our First Amendment free speech rights.
And I think it failed, but the fact that it was even tested out is rather horrifying to me.
So do I think Trump's like the second coming of Christ, is he our Savior?
No.
Do I think he's doing all bad?
No.
Do I know where he stands?
Not really.
I think that's one thing we really have to kind of suss out and figure out.
And that said, you know, in the U.S., the president, and I imagine the monarchy in Britain also, they just don't have as much power in everyday life as they would like to have.
And so I think collectively as human beings, if we push back against really bad ideas that are brought out by top-level government, we have more power than we'd like to admit.
You know, if more people in the U.S. had said, no, I'm just not wearing a mask and you can try to kick me out, but I'm just going to walk through a grocery store and I'm not going to follow the little lines on the floor and I'm not going to wear a mask and we'll all be fine, then we would have been better off.
But a lot of people are compliant, just like a lot of people aren't willing to look at hard things.
A lot of people aren't willing to deal with the emotions that come up when you defy authority.
And I think that's probably because of the education system, probably because we've become a society that's been indoctrinated by you must do this or you will be punished for 12 years of our life as young people.
And that's why a lot of people, I think, at this point are homeschooling because they see that.
They saw that.
They saw it.
It horrified them.
And they said, nope, we want to bring up children who have their own mind and can do their own thing.
Was it you who told me that Tolkien, Lord of the Rings, was required reading in all occult households?
I think Tolkien is definitely an occultist.
I don't know if it's required reading or not, though.
He was an occultist.
So the Catholic thing was just the cover.
I think so.
Evidence or your reasoning for that?
I think that comes directly from a whistleblower, not sure which one, but there are a lot of books that are written by occultists that actually have power and are used in the system to either train or program children.
Where the wild things are comes to mind.
White Fang.
Where the wild things are.
Yeah, where the child's book, Where the Wild Things Are, is used to train.
I have a post on this on my website.
Oh, wow.
Four books in the occult.
And you see in there, they're taught that when they go into the forest, they're going to see the wild creatures.
And you see some of the symbology in that book.
If you look back through it, there's like little circus tents with red and white striping on it.
That's occult symbology.
These creatures that they meet, similar to if you've, you know, the Hunger Games creatures, these are creatures that they're going to meet in their training in the woods.
But it'll be okay in the end because they'll come back and they'll wind up in their own bed kind of a thing.
So it's used with young children.
The Wizard of Oz is an occultic training program.
Peter Pan is.
Lots of what we would call classic children's literature is used on kids.
And then with the adults, Jules Verne, 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea, some of that is not science fiction.
It's science fact that we just haven't been taught.
And the authors of these books, were they in on this?
They were basically occultists.
Yeah, it's kind of, yeah.
It's kind of like in modern day, Joanne Rawling has been outed.
And some of the spells in her books are apparently actual occult spells.
Didn't she even write it?
I mean, wasn't she just a kind of front for the...
I don't know.
But if she is in the occult, then she would have had the ability to dream it up, I imagine.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if she actually wrote it or not, but if she did, she sure C.S. Lewis.
That's a good question.
I don't think I've heard anyone mention that he was, but I've heard rumblings that he might have been something else that he actually portrayed in his books.
So I don't think he's been directly mentioned, but it's a question mark.
Yeah, I mean, look, if he's the exception, he's a major exception.
Because children's literature is so infiltrated, isn't it?
It's terribly infiltrated.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's not much that you're going to find that's terribly popular that isn't used by the occult.
I mean, I even think back to, I just reread Madeline Engel's A Wrinkle in Time, which is the first in her trilogy, which I think expanded to be five books.
And she's talking about tessering, which is an old word or a word she made up for portal travel, you know, travel through portals from one location to another, which is something that the occult does.
And we can see that in kind of broad, grand terms, if you look into the Montauk project, that's exactly what they were doing in the Montauk project.
Part of it was sending boys that they basically went and yanked off the street, so street kids, and they were honing the technology to send them from that area of Long Island, the tip of Long Island, to another planet or another location on Earth, or in one case, to Mars, or so they say.
So traveling through portals, and that expanded, that program expanded, and you can read about or listen to people all over the internet who have done this portal travel and gone places and come back.
And even some of them have gone and they spend like part of a lifetime in another location.
And then they bring them back to Earth and basically to the same timeframe that they time and age they were then they left.
They call them 20 and back programs.
So they go, they stay for 20 years, they age on that planet, but when they come back, they come back to the time and location that they left.
So it seems like they haven't been gone that long.
This portal technology is definitely occultic as well.
And probably some of it, I would imagine, was a trade-off by demons.
So it seems like heaven, seems like the heavenly realms have a lot of technology.
And some of the fallen angels will trade that technology for blood or for sacrifice.
So we think of cell phones or televisions or computers, and I have to wonder if all of this technology isn't essentially from the demonic.
Yes.
Yes.
And if you're sort of a designated entrepreneur, supposedly, of the occult, you get to be Mark Zuckerberg or you get to be Bill Gates or whatever.
It's kind of free money that's handed to you, isn't it, for serving the right evil gods?
Yeah, sometimes they get free money, but more often than not, they actually convince us that we're supposed to fund them.
We're supposed to donate to this humanitarian project and we're supposed to donate to that humanitarian project.
Or we elect people into office that then say, well, your taxes have to go to this particular thing.
And that just happens to be an occultic endeavor, one of their pet projects or whatnot.
You know, the amount of humanitarian causes that are spearheaded by people in the occult is astronomical.
You know, I think of Oprah and the things that she tends to solicit donations for.
And the amount of money they can bring in is quite large.
And they're almost, they call them humanitarian projects.
They're almost required to do them because in the occult, they have this idea of equilibrium, which means if you do bad stuff, you have to do good stuff to balance it out.
They believe in balancing it out in their works.
Their works have to be bad and good.
So they convince us to send them money to do humanitarian projects, which are actually part of their Luciferian tasks for their life or their year or whatever.
It bothers me to a degree that I can't even say.
I'm very careful now what I donate to and who I donate to because it's just I just don't want to touch my money to anything like that.
It feels awful to me.
Am I right in thinking that Obama is some kind of high-level, isn't he the witch in charge of America at the moment?
He would be, so if you think back to the Druidic Council Satanic Council Committee of 300, that structure underneath now the Antichrist, he is reportedly the head of that group.
They call them the Phoenix of the Council.
And I haven't heard that he's been replaced.
So I think he still is, as far as I know, the Phoenix of the Council.
And so that's a very high position, very high position within the system.
So they don't have to replace Phoenix just by killing them.
He would just be retired and moved on.
Right.
So the previous Phoenix was George Soros.
Right.
And he retired somewhere between, I think, 2017 and 2021, somewhere in that range.
And Obama was installed as Phoenix.
And I don't know how they choose a successor.
So I'm not sure if that's a battle or something that just gets handed down as an order from Lucifer, that he was chosen and installed as the Phoenix.
That would be quite funny, wouldn't it, if there had to be a battle between Obama and George Soros?
I mean, that would be slightly unfair.
I like to stay away from that kind of stuff.
Like, no, I don't want to go look at it.
But boy, if that was a battle, that would be one I would have.
It would have been fun to watch.
And what is this thing about elite gender inversion?
Why do so many senior figures are married to women who are, in fact, men?
Right.
So most families, especially high-level families, are required to sacrifice children.
A lot of times it's a firstborn child that they have to sacrifice, literally kill.
Sometimes they make the parents of the children actually do the sacrifice themselves.
But they can get around doing a killing style sacrifice, as I understand it, by doing what they call a living sacrifice.
And so if they gender invert, which is in honor of Moloch, Moloch the principality, the demon, he's the demon that has the goat's head and he has one arm pointing up and one arm pointing down and he has genitalia of both sexes.
If they do a living sacrifice and trans themselves, then they don't have to die.
So it's a swap out for infanticide.
So you mean this is why so many elite or so many Hollywood actresses bring up their male children as females.
Yes, because then they don't have to kill them.
I see.
I mean, I have to say the death toll among famous people of their firstborn children is just, in actuarial terms, it's a little implausible, isn't it?
It's above the mean.
Yes, it is.
And that's because they're required to.
And yeah, and so I think they have gotten around, because it's so much more public now than it used to be, right?
So I think they had to find an alternative to actually having so many deaths that it kind of caught the eye of the general public.
And so now they can do these living sacrifices.
And they've convinced half the world that this is a good thing, when in actuality it's an homage to Moloch.
Which is sad.
It's really sad.
So that's the killing of the first.
Daisy, come on up there.
That's the killing of the firstborn.
But what about marrying people who are the same sex as them?
What's that about?
That, I believe, is part of the overall overarching goal of – if you read Kurth Barker, who's one of my favorite occult authors because his stories are just so incredibly good, he talks about their desire, the occult's desire to institute an entire world where incest…
pedophile activity, and homosexuality is the norm, not the exception.
The occult wants to institute and normalize homosexuality.
They want to institute and normalize incest, and they want to institute and normalize sex with children as young as possible.
And so, you know, marrying someone who's inverted is also, I think, an homage to the homosexuality variety of the occult's desires.
They're doing pretty well.
I'm thinking, I don't know whether you ever go anywhere near Netflix, but every Netflix series has a lesbian, a prominent lesbian character, prominent gay character.
I mean, out of all proportion to their representation in the population at large, it's all about promoting homosexuality as a ubiquitous thing.
Yeah, that's, I mean, one survivor that I've profiled recently who's kind of low-level but has been extensively used for prostitution in the Florida area, has said that, you know, she won't watch TV because all it is is programming.
It's programming for the masses.
And part of that programming is normalizing homosexuality or normalizing violence or normalizing whatever it is they want to normalize.
And After you see that stuff so much, if it's not part of your everyday thought process, then it starts to be, or at least you notice it.
But the younger you are, the more you think that that's just the way the world is, and that's a normal thing.
And so our kids who are watching this stuff are growing up thinking that trans is normal and homosexuality is normal and it's all good.
We're being programmed and shoved into believing that it's all good when in fact, it's all Luciferian.
It's all the agenda of Lucifer's kingdom.
It's all to get us out from under the umbrella and the protection of God and to get us to doing things for the occult and to believing things that are occultic without us even knowing it.
Hang on, let's go get that stupid dog.
Ouch.
This is really annoying, Veronica.
I've got to...
I've got to go for a bell-ringing lesson now, which is what I was trying to make.
It's my bell-ringing class because I know that demons hate bells.
Yeah, I've heard that.
So, like, big bells?
Are you dreaming in a church?
Oh, that's lovely.
Yeah.
Not just any old bells.
My church has the oldest complete set of church bells in the country.
They were cast in 1440.
Wow.
That's lovely.
That's lovely.
Those sounds and the vibrations.
It's kind of akin to me to being like in the middle of an orchestra if you're a Woodwind player and you're sitting in the middle of an orchestra and you just have 360 surround sound vibrations.
It's a feeling you can't duplicate anywhere else.
Can I just, even though I'm going to keep Paul Graham waiting, but I've got a couple more questions.
Do a lot of these people fake their deaths and end up somewhere like Antarctica?
I've heard that that does happen.
I'm not sure at what percentage, though.
There's not much info on that.
So I can't say.
But I'm sure David Bowie, for example, is in Antarctica.
I mean, Antarctica, there's a huge underground city there, isn't there?
And more.
Yes, yes.
And more.
Very, very hidden information, and not many people talk about that, so I don't know exactly what's there.
But yeah, a lot of people do wind up in the underground.
I mean, there's even reports of like the people on the planes that were supposed to hit the Twin Towers in 9-11.
Those individuals all wound up in the tunnels underground.
I don't know how much of that is accurate or not accurate, but there are, well, I mean, for sure, the people that have poured over the southern border of the United States from Mexico into the U.S., from Central America, a lot of those children and individuals go missing, and they have been reported to be bussed or transported into the underground for the occult to do whatever they're going to do with them.
So, yeah, lots of people, especially those that won't be missed.
And those that would be missed wind up perhaps with a clone on the surface or some kind of body double.
And apparently what they can do now is pretty amazing with both makeup and also like CGI.
So who knows what we're actually seeing on television or in video is actually real and they're the original human or if they're in a mask or if they've got a voice altering capability.
It's really hard to say.
I think we're in for this next era is going to be what's real and what's not real.
Is this person real or not?
We just won't be able to tell.
I think we're there already.
And my final question is, can these people, can they practice transmigration of souls?
Can they do reincarnation?
I have heard, that's a hard question to answer.
I have heard that they try to.
I've heard that they had some kind of setup where they were capturing souls before they ascended and they were returning them back to Earth.
But I also heard that that setup got taken down and destroyed so that that's not happening anymore.
And it's been so long, it's probably been five years since I've listened to that video, so I can't tell you exactly what it was or when it came down, but hopefully that's accurate.
And if it wasn't in practice, then they have dismantled it and it's no longer occurring.
I think they can do a lot of things with both spirits and souls that most of us are, you know, it'd be kind of mind-boggling if we knew what they knew.
They trade on souls.
It's like a currency.
They trade on souls in a way that just kind of boggles my mind.
Bitcoin's been said to be a trade on souls of babies who've been ritually murdered.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but even just the thought of it's kind of horrifying.
Yeah, you just opened another huge rabbit hole there that we're not going to have time to go into.
I really enjoy our talks.
I hope we can do another one at some point.
Veronica, we are so totally going to do another one.
That's guaranteed.
So long as neither of us is bumped off between now and the next time.
I'm going to pray that that doesn't.
Well, I shall pray too.
It's great talking to you.
Now, where can people find your stuff?
I have a couple places that I write.
And if you're interested in an introductory kind of atmosphere, I recommend my Substack, which is Veronicaswiftblog.substack.com.
There I do free posts.
I've been doing them every Wednesday until I kind of had to take a break this summer.
But I will resume doing, then they're short posts.
My goal is to take me a very little time to write a research.
And they're informative and they don't overwhelm.
And they bring enough information so that it's interesting, but it doesn't send you over the edge, which a lot of this information can do all at once if you're not prepared for it.
And then I have my own website where I do kind of the weekly 10-page turn paper essay, deep dives where, you know, 50 references aren't uncommon sort of thing.
So if you're looking for something longer and more in-depth, I am at Veronicaswift.blog B-L-O-G.
And that's my own website.
And that is a pay-to-play website.
Unfortunately, because the amount of harassment I get, that information is behind a paywall, but it's $26 for a year, which is not, you know, actually, I would say.
Yeah.
And you are worth it.
You are worth it.
Thank you very much.
I'd love to.
I love the information that helps people and helps people understand it.
And they don't have to go through.
This is a lot of work.
I will say, doing what I do is a tremendous amount of work, and it's a lot of gathering of info, and it's a lot of sifting through things because not all whistleblowers are articulate, and many of them have trouble putting into words what they have experienced.
And so I try to distill it and sift it through it so everyone can get the gist of it without having to spend your entire life doing it.
So that's my goal.
Education of the world in an easier way than might have been before.
And like you said, I don't know of anybody else that does it.
No, you are worth supporting.
Thank you, Veronica Swift.
It only remains for me to say thank you, my lovely viewers and listeners, both subscribers or paid subscribers and non-paid subscribers.
I love you all, and I appreciate you watching my stuff.
And mind you, you're quite sensible.
You know my stuff is good.
You know I'm worth it.
So do consider supporting me as a paid subscriber on Substack or you can buy me a coffee or you can support my sponsors.
I keep promising to give my email address so you can send me money direct.
And I must sort out some stuff like Bitcoin and bank details and stuff.
Anyway, I will get my act together one day.
Thank you again, Veronica Swift.
I must go off to my bell ringing class now.
Thanks a lot.
Enjoy.
Global warming is a massive con.
There was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011 actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the Chinese climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question: okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that microphone.
Go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Gaia.
