The Delingpod - James Delingpole - The Waugh Tapes, Part 2

Aug. 16, 2025 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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The Waugh Tapes, Part 2

Notes: In July 2024, shortly before he died of cancer, I paid a last visit to the Somerset home of my wonderful friend Alexander Waugh. Alexander was one of the kindest, most generous, most talented and intellectually curious friends it has ever been my privilege to know. His rich and varied career included stints as a musician, concert promoter, author, keeper of the Waugh (Evelyn was his grandfather) family archives and researcher into the Shakespearean authorship question. (He thought it was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford). Though he was in some discomfort, he died a happy man, lovingly cared for at home by his devoted wife Eliza. I haven’t listened to these recordings we made since. They’ve been sitting on my iPhone and the only reason I didn’t release them earlier was inertia. They also feature our friend Bob Moran. We talk about God, music, death, everything.↓ ↓ ↓ The official website of James Delingpole:https://jamesdelingpole.co.uk

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	It's just kind of thrown in there, like everybody just wants to throw in the word Gnostic, they know what it means.
	I've seen so many different definitions.
	Gnostic simply comes from the Greek for knowledge, and it's the belief at its absolute fundamental bottom level, that the more knowledge you have, the closer you can come to God.
	Because you can only have knowledge of existent things, and existent things are created by God.
	Or you can have knowledge of spiritual things.
	Again, it all comes from God.
	But now we've got this idea that Gnostics, you know, because some Gnostic, I'm sure there were some Gnostics who tried to reason it's all back to the problem of good and evil.
	If there's evil in the world, that can't be God's fault because God is all good.
	That's platform number one for Gnostic.
	Therefore, where does the evil come from?
	Oh, I know, there's a second God.
	There's some sort of demi-urge.
	And then everybody starts saying they're worshiping the devil.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But it's just unfair.
	We need to be historical about this.
	Just don't say Gnostic if you're not quite sure what you're saying.
	So you don't think that you have to believe in the demiurge to be a Gnostic?
	Of course not.
	But you do have to believe that there is evil in the world because there is.
	Of course.
	Do you want me to do, I'll try and do Psalm 82.
	Yes, please.
	You're going to do it by heart.
	Yeah, I'm going to try.
	Go for it.
	Wait a second.
	This roll is back first.
	It is a good psalm.
	God standeth in the congregation of princes.
	He is a judge among gods.
	How long will ye give wrong judgments, accept the persons of the ungodly?
	Defend the poor and fatherless.
	See that such are as in need and necessity have right.
	Deliver the outcast and poor.
	Save them from the hand of the ungodly.
	They will not be learned nor understand, but walk on still in darkness.
	All the foundations of the earth are out of course.
	I have said, ye are gods, and ye are all the children of the most highest, but ye shall die like men and fall like one of the princes.
	Arise, O God, and judge thou the earth, for thou shalt take all heathen to thine inheritance.
	So it's quite sketchy, and you've got that odd bit where it goes from, how long will you give wrong judgments except the person of the ungodly?
	I'm sorry to say it's bang on message.
	But it's absolutely exactly what Jesus is saying.
	Love one like men.
	100%.
	You should die like men and fall like one of the princes.
	But he's talking to...
	it is addressed to the fallen members of the divine council.
	So what happened is that when God...
	He had the children of Israel.
	They were his favourites.
	And when there came a point, I think it was after the power of the Java, they were the ones to deliver the message.
	After the Tower of Babel, the different sections of the world were put in charges under the charge of junior members of the divine council.
	The Prince of Persia, for example, who appears in Daniel.
	And this psalm is God saying to these angels, this fallen angels or whatever, these demigods, these princes, you've made a really shit job of running your patch.
	Well, of understanding yourselves.
	You've been useless, you've let bad people thrive and stuff.
	So it's over for you.
	Yeah.
	That's the divine counsel story.
	Yes, but James, this is bang on message on what Jesus is saying.
	If you are what I am, which is called a Christian anarchist.
	This is exactly what Jesus is saying.
	This is wholly prophetic and correct.
	He's saying you're not seeing that you've got the divine within you and that your job is to do no harm and to do the good to the people and do the right things and serve the will of God.
	It couldn't be clearer, that psalm, in my view.
	And it couldn't be closer to Jesus' message.
	But the confusion, and this is where I think people like you, where you're standing right now, is he talks about gods in the plural.
	That doesn't confuse me one little bit.
	And that he says he's essentially saying you should have risen to what Jesus would call the Son of Man, had you acknowledged this truth that is within you.
	Do you want just to say that Psalm all again, having heard my boring lecture on it?
	Just say it again.
	With that in mind.
	God standeth in the congregation of princes.
	He is a judge among gods.
	How long will you give wrong judgments?
	Accept the persons of the ungodly.
	Defend the poor and fatherless.
	See that such as are in need and necessity have right.
	Deliver the poor and fatherless.
	Deliver the outcast and poor.
	Save them from the hands of the ungodly.
	They will not be learned nor understand, but walk on still in darkness.
	All the foundations of the earth are out of course.
	I have said, ye are gods, and you are all the children of the most highest, but ye shall die like men and fall like one of the princes.
	Arise, O God, and judge thou the earth, for thou shalt take all heathen to thine inheritance.
	Do you get it now?
	Yeah, well, I do.
	I see it works on two.
	I'm telling you there are gods.
	You are potential gods in front of you.
	You are not acknowledging it.
	You're not doing the will of God, which is to help other people and help the poor and help the sick and help everyone else.
	Therefore, you'll be cast into darkness and you will not inherit the eternal life.
	That is absolute target central Jesus' message.
	Yeah.
	I'm not really here.
	I've just come to drop some shopping.
	That was very good.
	Very good.
	You got a free psalm out of it.
	It was blooming good.
	I'm Alexander's sister, Sophia.
	Hi.
	This is Sophie.
	This is James Denipole.
	This is Bob Moran.
	Hello.
	Brilliant cartoonist, brilliant writer.
	This is more than Polly.
	This is not from me.
	This is from Polly Malox.
	This is my sister.
	She's also brought some more bed covers, which I've given to a lot of people.
	Oh, you're so sweet.
	I'll go because you've got further away visitors, but I just want to know.
	We're on Planet X. Rather than Planet Earth.
	I don't care about smoking, but should we open the window or do you feel like it's a little bit different?
	I don't mind.
	I'm very happy.
	But I don't want to keep all these people prisoner.
	No, you don't.
	You don't actually do something.
	I just have to push it very hard.
	Don't worry.
	Oh, no, you have to move the cushion as well.
	Don't worry, don't worry about anything, please.
	No, it's lovely.
	You're quite right, Eliza.
	I just like it a bit of air through the smoke.
	No.
	I think so.
	I'm alright.
	I'm really happy.
	I'm conscious, I don't want to keep it on.
	I've now heard that new conspiracy theory that smoking is good for you.
	It's only because it's only the filter that's actually small.
	That's why all the young people smoke roll-ups.
	Have you got a roll-up there?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I've started smoking with adjective free, and although it's very dry, it's so much nicer.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I think that the reason smoking is good for you, and I think the reason that they don't want us to do it is it protects you from EMF.
	It seems like electromagnetic frequency.
	I've come into that kind of meeting.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We've all got members of our family who haven't quite woken up yet.
	Sure.
	You're not just in that kind of meeting, you are in the epicentre.
	You are.
	You are in the highest.
	If this were an Illuminati pyramid, you'd be talking with the eye.
	I'd be cast out at the very top.
	Chantled upon the ground.
	That's what that would be.
	Right, I'll leave you to your epicentre of EMS.
	All right, lots of love.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, that's right.
	I'll come.
	It's Alex coming to drop the stuff off anyway.
	I will come maybe tomorrow after school to see.
	Oh, tomorrow.
	No, actually, tomorrow I've got bloody, bloody, bloody open evening.
	Okay.
	Well, we'll work it out.
	And then Saturday I'm going morning.
	I could come on Saturday morning.
	I'm going to see Constance and her baby.
	That would be lovely, Sophie.
	And that would be nice to meet you.
	On your epicentre of the world.
	We're saving the world.
	It started so well with the song.
	We're saving the world.
	You just relax.
	We'll take down the 5G bus.
	Bye.
	We've gone.
	don't worry.
	No, she's very sweet, Sophie, but she's pretty slow.
	Who's your other sister?
	Daisy.
	Daisy.
	Daisy is a little bit more.
	Right, so Daisy wrote that book.
	Now, Daisy's solution to the problem, she's awake.
	Daisy's solution to the problem is we all laugh.
	So she's written this novel, this one you've got in your hand that nobody wants to publish because she's now been cancelled.
	Which is about a guy who finds this ointment.
	You put the ointment on, it gets you laughing.
	And people laugh and laugh more and more at anything.
	To the point that the government, Keir Starmer and all this, putting out these immensely pompous statements about how they're going to mend the world, just everybody laughs.
	So they have to put out a law prohibiting laughter.
	Because it's the one thing they can't bear.
	I looked in the Bible, actually.
	It's funny, the Bible doesn't.
	Well, the Bible uses the phrase laugh to scorn a lot.
	It doesn't use the word laughing because something's funny.
	I think the Orientals like to laugh because they feel embarrassed.
	I think we laugh when we see an incongruity between one thing and another.
	Well, you know lot more about this.
	Psalm 37.
	The Lord shall laugh him to scorn.
	To scorn.
	I've seen that his day is coming.
	Yeah.
	For his scene?
	The Lord shall laugh him to scorn, for he hath seen that his day is coming.
	Good.
	Good.
	But you know, I'm so happy now that you knew 82 by heart.
	I forgot that was one of your canon.
	Because honestly, when you read it to me, it was as clear as crystal.
	And before I knew of 82 and I knew he used the plural gods.
	So in my way of looking at things, again, it's not ungodly to say you are part of God.
	It's Elohim.
	Coming back to that.
	The idea of this is the fallen angels who God appointed as rulers of certain parts of earth over people.
	So he casts them out of heaven, but then gives them this respect.
	Yes, which is bizarre.
	really bizarre.
	Yeah.
	There's, there's, there's so much weird stuff going on in the old Testament and so many, so much has been obscured by translations where, where people have, Yes, but it's meant to be.
	This is not a mistranslation.
	It's specific.
	Was this given as an opportunity to redeem themselves, potentially?
	It's not explained.
	But it is explained by Jesus.
	You do redeem yourself by acknowledging this and acknowledging that you are part of it and part of the eternal life and that your business on this earth is to serve God's will.
	And that's exactly what both of you are doing.
	You're serving God's will.
	It's absolutely obvious to me.
	Well, it's nice.
	It's obvious.
	It's nice not to be a baddie.
	No, but you yourself had said that you believed you were put here from.
	And that you were chosen to do what you're doing at your own peril at your own cost.
	So you've done precisely what Jesus is asking.
	Yes, but I have to say, you know, the scene where Jesus, as he gets closer to Jerusalem and he says, do I really have to go through this, God?
	Do I really?
	You know, it's not like it's not.
	And Jonah and all those people.
	Yeah, it's not.
	Last time.
	This is tough.
	I'd much rather live in Normie World before.
	To have lived and died in a world where I'm not sure what period it would have been where one could have lived without war and there was a sort of goal.
	Say maybe from 18.
	Let's say you were born in 1830, so you wouldn't have got the First World War.
	You'd have had a lot of time.
	Well, you've gotten this colonisation, which is a strange period of lots and lots of people coming dying, even if not from war, but from cholera.
	I mean, the vast numbers of people in the 19th century whose brothers went out or sisters or fathers went out to India and never made it through disease.
	That's certainly true.
	That wouldn't have been f fun.
	Just, I mean, Edward in England always seems quite nice to me.
	Yeah.
	Just before.
	Just before, but then you'd have got the first war and it would have blown it all away.
	Either you'd have been in the trenches or you'd have had sons in the trenches.
	Yes.
	That's the problem.
	But I always think I'd like to live in the railway children, basically.
	Well, the tax rate was much lower.
	Yeah.
	And which has got to be a good thing.
	Freedom has to come very high up.
	Were we free?
	How free were we in comparison?
	But it comes back to this thing that people still don't want to accept that the system that's existed for a very long time was always supposed to facilitate all of this is where it was always heading.
	It was the most difficult thing for me and I think lots of other people.
	When all of this began and you're going through this period of first of all assuming it's just your classic political incompetence and it would all be cleared up and debate is still a real thing and the rule of law still exists and this is just a hiccup, it's an episode, we'll get past it.
	And then you realise, no, it's not that.
	And democracy works.
	You've got to work your way down the layers of why are they doing it, why are they doing it.
	But all the time you're clinging to this idea that what we're trying to accomplish here is to go back to where we were before this started, to normal.
	And everyone was using that phrase, well, we just want to go back to normal, that's all we're asking for, we have to get back to normal.
	And then you reach that crucial point where you realise that normal was the problem.
	Normal was what facilitated the whole thing.
	Normal was hundreds and hundreds of years building up and changing the way people thought about themselves and each other and implementing the system and putting in place various technologies and things to make all of this possible.
	So we absolutely cannot go backwards.
	We have to create something entirely new and abandon that old system completely.
	But that you then realize that that's a monumental task and it can't really be accomplished until we've gone through what they're doing to a certain degree and enough people have become aware that we can't go back to what they perceived as normal before.
	When did that happen?
	That happened specifically with me when Boris Johnson stood up and said to the nation, it'll only take a fortnight, I can't remember the exact amount of time, to flatten the curve.
	Do you remember the flattening curve?
	He said it'll take a fortnight.
	And within, definitely it was within one month, it was within three weeks of that, he said there will be no new normal.
	So how could you reconcile those two remarks?
	It'll just be a few weeks till we flatten the curve, but there will be no new normal.
	Then I knew that there was a scam, a massive scam was going on.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, for me, it was when they brought the masks in in the summer, which was the exact point when I knew this is their, if this is a mistake, if they don't want this to continue and permanently change things, this is their perfect opportunity to just move everybody on, stop the whole thing, and get away with it, essentially.
	Say, oh, well, you know, you know, maybe we overreacted slightly, but it's gone.
	Now it's summer.
	It's not, you know, we can do away with it all.
	And they did the opposite.
	And they brought in the masks and got everyone wearing them straight away.
	And, you know, like James points out, appeared to have all the signs ready in warehouses everywhere to just put out a week's note.
	That was so sweet.
	And you think, okay, this is planned and this is meant to change things forever.
	That's the whole point.
	Yes.
	And internationally.
	And I remember a lot of normists saying to me, oh, come on, Alexander, this can't be a mistake.
	They must know, because they're doing the same in France, they're doing it in Canada, they're doing it everywhere.
	Obviously, it's worldwide wisdom and common sense to be doing what they're doing if everyone's agreeing around the world.
	And then how do we do that?
	Yes, exactly.
	That's interesting.
	But I must have known.
	This is my God's plan theory.
	This mystery that always puzzled me throughout my youth and my middle, early middle age, which was that I never quite understood why I never wanted to play the game that all my contemporaries were playing.
	For example, sitting at school speech days and sort of nodding sagely at the sort of grown-up shite that the person was saying and being like a grown-up.
	And I was thinking, I don't want to sit in my chair.
	Or having to take seriously things like the Oxford Union and stuff or all the games that people play and which were taught as sort of part of growing up and accommodating yourself to being a grown-up in the grown-up world.
	And I realized, no, what they're actually doing, all these people, I only realize it now, is that they are preparing themselves to become part of this deeply corrupt system.
	And I still got these sort of mini shocks.
	So one of my friends at Christchurch was Kate Bingham.
	Kate Bingham was in the year above me.
	And she's poor liner, jolly hockey sticks, just super capable.
	And we later got to know her because we used to take a house in Wales for two weeks every year and they were in the next valley.
	So we went to have dinner with Kate and her husband, Jesse Norman, the MP.
	And her children were at school, her boys were at school with Ivo.
	And we rode her horses, and she'd rustle up a fantastic dinner at, you know, great, good old Kate.
	And Kate, of course, was doing very well in pharma.
	And she got given the job of some job involved with the vaccine rollout.
	Lately in government.
	And early on, she said, well, I think that this should not be given to children or something similar.
	Pregnant women.
	And then later she relented and she sort of suddenly started changing her tune.
	Anyway, I went to a Gordy and there was Kate.
	And I started chatting.
	I said, Kate, it's like vaccine.
	Shit, what's going on here?
	And I was thinking, yeah, I know.
	It's just like, I don't know, James.
	I thought she'd talk to me as a friend.
	So she was uncomfortable by it.
	No, she just, it was as if I, what are you talking about?
	You should get the vaccine.
	You have another vaccine.
	I would very much recommend a person of your age to get the vaccine, and particularly with your past health issues to do with Lyme disease and stuff.
	And I was thinking, I'm talking to an automaton.
	How can you be the same person that had me around to your house for dinner and let me ride your horses?
	And we had these chats.
	And I realised that these people are all kind of courtiers in the Assyrian or the Babylonian.
	They've been brainwashed.
	They've been brainwashed.
	I swear to God, they've been brainwashed.
	They've been taken away and brainwashed.
	You can see it in the faces of Rutter, Boris.
	I've got a video, I'll try and get it to you.
	It's absolutely essential.
	Of all the world leaders all lined up, they're looking at this tower, and the tower is talking to them with his voice.
	Boris is there, Rutter, the whole lot of them, Biden's there.
	And they turn and they now turn towards the tower and they turn the tower, tells them what to do.
	I'll show you the video.
	But more than that, they've been brainwashed.
	I was at a party with a guy and his girlfriend.
	We were having a lovely conversation.
	We were standing, we're just talking about this at the end of the minute.
	His job was an editor on BBC, what's it called, the very famous BBC radio programme every morning.
	Yeah, thingy today.
	Today programme.
	He's the editor on the Today programme.
	And this was a couple of years ago, so it was in the middle of all this crisis.
	And I said to them, You keep saying all these vaccines are good, but you've never had a proper debate.
	And he started getting a bit windy, but we were very happy.
	We were talking away.
	I said, for instance, why haven't you had Luc Montagnier on?
	Now, Luc Montagnier won a Nobel Prize for biology, and he was up standing saying these vaccines are very, very dangerous.
	The guy's face completely changed colour.
	I said, just for a debate.
	I'm not saying to say what's right and wrong, I just had two sides to give two sides of this.
	His face completely changed, and he just turned away from me and walked away.
	We've been talking happily for 20 minutes.
	And it's like this totally normal, intelligent, humorous guy.
	I triggered some word in him, and he just blanched and he just walked away from me.
	It's the most extraordinary thing.
	And I said, that man's mind has been tampered with.
	Yeah, it's not a natural reaction to somebody you've been having a conversation with, you can tell it's very articulate and intelligent.
	Because we've all met, you still haven't told me your Orsini story.
	I want to hear the Orsini.
	But I've been to dinner, a dinner party, with somebody from the Committee of 300 who sat next to Tiffany and had a lovely chat with him.
	She really liked him, but he kept giving me funny looks.
	I was at school with Chris Whitty.
	I was mates with David Cameron and Boris Johnson.
	I know all these people.
	I've hung out with these people.
	I've met the dark rulers of this world.
	And they're very entertaining company.
	I mean, that's the thing.
	They don't have horns.
	Good.
	Because I have.
	That's the thing.
	It's weird, isn't it?
	You can have great conversations with these people.
	Well, can you have profound ones?
	Well, no, you probably can't have profound.
	You suddenly came up with Boris Johnson, who's completely, In both senses of the word.
	But I was saying earlier, I think you can go quite some way up the ladder of power and influence and find people who aren't necessarily acting in the full knowledge of the agenda and what it's all about.
	They are aware, I think.
	A lot of them are aware at some deep level what they're doing is wrong, is wicked, but something has convinced them it's for some greater good, or that if they don't do it, humanity's doomed or whatever.
	Which is probably why you can still have conversations with them and they seem vaguely human and normal.
	But the brainwash doesn't often realise they're brainwashed.
	We heard all these stories of Theresa May and people going off to Brussels and being held right till 4.30 in the morning.
	They wouldn't end the meetings.
	This is all a way of brainwashing people.
	And we talk about the Beatles, MK Ultra.
	Yeah, that's true.
	You're right, the Brexit negotiations that went down.
	Sleep deprivation is the most effective tool if you want to break off people.
	Although we haven't...
	The things they discovered.
	The thing is, what's often missing from these conversations, because it's just such a bizarre thing, is the satanic ritual abuse and adrenochrome element, which is...
	Well, that's right.
	That's, yes.
	But they've all done it.
	That's the problem.
	Well, are they all?
	Boris definitely.
	Yeah, yeah, I think they all have.
	David Cameron, yes, he did the pigs.
	Yes, they all have.
	One of the big shocks for me was realising, for example, that it's not just Obama who was married to a man, also George Bush Sr., Barbara Bush is a man.
	Nancy...
	The one that shot me was the Reagans.
	I'd always thought of, you know, Ronnie Reagan as being the kind of the amiable, you know, wisecracking, good guy president.
	But he was just as much involved in the drug dealing, the deep stage, Iran-Contra, obviously.
	But also...
	The Nancy Reagan, man.
	But also, no, not necessarily, but definitely involved in the...
	They're all involved in the child sexual abuse, ritual abuse thing.
	Ronald Reagan.
	Yeah.
	Margaret Thatcher?
	Probably.
	Because...
	Just because...
	She-a-man?
	You know about the Order of Melchizedek?
	Sounds biblical.
	One of the high orders of satanic priestesses is the Order of Melchizedek, and the uniform is purple with pearls.
	Now, you wouldn't wear purple with pearls by accident.
	You Google purple with pearls, famous women, you'll see Oprah Winfrey, Margaret Thatcher, the Queen, obviously.
	The Queen.
	The Queen.
	Nancy Reagan.
	These people have all...
	I mean, I got this, the testimony, if it is to be believed, from somebody called Jessie Sabota, who was a mother of darkness.
	She was selected from birth to...
	Sorry.
	You know, don't you, that you weren't allowed to wear purple unless you were a priest, according to the Old Testament.
	Because the purple was quite rare.
	Very rare.
	And then there was the Tudor types, there was a law saying only Marquises or higher up, or earls or Marquises, were allowed to wear purple or royals.
	So purple has always been protected, well, has long been protected, not now, of course, as a colour for people either in very, very high office or, as you're pointing out, in some sort of secret...
	Roman emperors were very well, probably.
	That's right, yeah.
	But I...
	The ritual stuff was interesting, and I think this is probably true in public and in private too.
	I was talking about, with somebody about, you know, the opening ceremonies, the Olympic stuff, when they have the giant ball, or the 2012 thing.
	Is it just a ballroom?
	Eurovision, yeah.
	Is it just a ball for movie?
	It's nothing to do with Moloch or Bahl.
	You know, Eurovision is the same thing now.
	But I just was remarking on how they disguise it, or they deliberately make it so naff.
	They make it seem very tacky and naff and weird to most of the people watching.
	And I said, the majority of people are predisposed to notice naffness first, and comment on the fact that something is tacky or a bit weird, or doesn't quite make any sense,
	they would ever consider there was any meaning behind it which is very clever the way they do that they make it seem like it's just random fun some some totally insane drugged up art director has just gone wild here and put all this random stuff in the people then don't don't bother to try and make any connections to the symbolism and what is actually being said and that's just partly because they haven't been educated yes to read the Bible and these ancient things.
	I think that the way it works is in the same way, everyone thinks that they're immune to advertising.
	Everyone thinks they're like, yeah, I just have the adverts on.
	I don't pay any attention to them.
	Yeah, I can sing even now the jingles from adverts from my childhood.
	And they're not there for your conscious.
	Your conscious is going, yeah, it's just a stupid jingle.
	But your subconscious, which is what it's working on, is very different.
	And your subconscious is unfortunately the boss, you just don't know it.
	That's what sort of forms your biases and your inclinations.
	That's true.
	I'm not saying that that's.
	Absolutely.
	It's absolutely the case that that 2012 ceremony that people's conscious brains looked at and thought this is a bit odd, isn't it?
	You know, this is mad.
	What are we doing?
	Their subconscious was then totally prepared to get on board with what started in 2020 because that's what that opening ceremony did to them.
	They've been prepared.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it was a genius of Edward Bernays to realise, well, probably people, because you look at Victorian adverts and they existed before Bernays was alive.
	And you know that this is, was it the place where they went for their training in ancient times, how to brainwash the populace?
	What was it?
	There was a.
	I learned this in my coffee podcast I did.
	Essentially, you use kind of magic, but really it's ceremony, it's drugs, you know, whether it's alcohol or stuff, or it's how you do mass mind control.
	Right.
	And there was somewhere in the Middle East that specialised in this.
	The name will come back to me.
	So it's a guru.
	There was a country that did it.
	Country that did it?
	Yeah.
	That specialised in this.
	In the Middle East?
	Isn't there a name?
	It's a name you'll have heard of, but I can't remember.
	One of the ancient world.
	And it's probably got some.
	Do you know what MK Ultra stands for?
	Do you know what MK?
	No.
	MK, no.
	Well, I have a German nurse who comes and straps me up to lots of medicines.
	She says it's German and it's Mentum Kuntrollen.
	Oh, okay.
	And it was imported from the Germans.
	It's mind control.
	They imported a lot after the war, didn't they?
	The Americans.
	Yes.
	Yeah, the Americans, all of the Nazis' knowledge of propaganda and mind control.
	So MK Ultra is now called more.
	Well, MK Ultra, yes, it's the CIA mind control business that was going on, particularly through the 60s, that it became a bit of a scandal.
	But it seems to have been directedly inherited from the Germans after the First World War.
	Second World War.
	But they, a lot of it originates apparently from the Jesuits and what they discovered torturing people for years.
	Oh.
	And because one of the things that they discovered was that if you just inflict pain on somebody relentlessly, you break them to a certain extent, but they will.
	A lot of people won't break that way.
	They will, in fact, go into themselves and find solace and just connect with God.
	To really break somebody down, you have to torture them while offering them love at the same time and build a relationship of trust with that person.
	So you're constantly giving them something and then taking it away again.
	And if you do that for long enough, because their brain can't hold those two ideas at the same time, it breaks.
	That's how you break people.
	That's what the Jesuits discovered, apparently.
	It's exactly what you see, you saw happening throughout all of this.
	The way that we would be constantly told, you know, it's only two weeks, it'll be six months.
	once you've done this, it'll be released.
	Oh, it's only the old people who need to be vaccinated, then you'll be free.
	They were constantly offering us the carrot all the time.
	And the whole time, say, we're doing this because we love you, we're your government, and we're trying to look after you while killing and poisoning everybody.
	Because they knew that was the way to really break people.
	So true.
	And the creation of characters like Captain Tom.
	Yeah.
	The lovely Captain Tom, who was a war hero, we were told, even though he spent his time repairing motorbikes in India in the middle.
	And I heard, I read a bit about cults.
	You know, when people get trapped in a cult and all their family gets terribly upset and they break off with their family and join one of these cults.
	And there's something called flirty fishing, where a rather sexy girl goes into a bar and sees a lonely man and will take them and say, let's go home and let's talk a little bit.
	But they bring them into the cult, and one thing they won't do is let them sleep.
	And they keep talking to them and they're very sexy.
	And the guy gets all bewildered and says, I really need to go to bed now.
	And the woman says, no, no.
	And they basically won't let you sleep while being a sexy promise.
	It's known as flirty fishing.
	And that's the beginning of the breakdown of a man into a cult.
	Very similar to the.
	Presumably, he never actually gets to sleep with the sexy woman.
	No, of course he doesn't.
	No chance.
	He gets trapped in the cult.
	Surely unfair.
	Yeah.
	Hey, guys, I don't want to keep you prisoner.
	I have to say that our conversation has been completely out of bliss.
	I'm so grateful to you both for coming around.
	But anytime, if you want to go home, and if James you want to read.
	actually not thinking of myself right now.
	I'm thinking do you I get it very tired.
	The only thing I'd love quite now is a glass of water.
	Someone could.
	Because I'm thinking because I don't want you not being ready to drink that expensive wine later on.
	I'll be ready.
	Or ready for the disappointment if it doesn't work.
	I'm ready for that too.
	Because I think it's more likely than not that it won't work.
	I've got some expensive water.
	So I'll tell you briefly.
	My.
	Thank you.
	After Oxford, I shared a flat with a guy called Ollie, and Ollie and I both went through an edophile period.
	And I got into Red Burgundy.
	And we ordered this bunch of en premer Grand Cru Red Burgundy.
	And I've got one bottle left, and I've kept it very badly.
	And it's almost certainly gone.
	But if it's a good bottle, it'll be worth a couple of thousand quid.
	You couldn't get it pretty much.
	And if this is a problem.
	You can often tell if the level's sunk a lot.
	That's called ullij.
	Okay.
	And it may have gone down, but that's not worry.
	It's the most generous thing you've possibly.
	No, but I've been waiting for the chance to.
	Do you want to see it?
	Can I show you the bottle?
	I'm looking forward to seeing.
	I must tell you about this whole scene you have.
	Oh, you've got to.
	You've got to.
	Hey, look, can you write?
	Bob, can you write the name of the book that you originally mentioned?
	I've got it.
	I'll leave it for you.
	Can I borrow it?
	Yeah.
	If I died before I finished it, do remember to call it back from Eliza, because it's obviously very precious to you.
	But thank you, I'd really love to read it.
	Let me read you this bit.
	This is an apt about love.
	But love, I am come to realise, is the supreme deflecting force.
	Love unloosens sins, unites failure, disintegrates the act, not by an inconceivable conflict with the immutable law of consequence, but by deflection.
	For the divine love follows the life and turns and meets it at last, and in that meeting deflects.
	So that that which is mortal, evil, and what is Of the mortal law, the act sinks.
	And on the forehead of the divine law, that which is alone inevitable survives and moves onward in the rhythm that is life.
	When we understand the mystery of redemption, we shall understand what love is.
	The expiatory is an unknown attribute in the divine.
	Expiation is but the earthly burnt offering of that in us that is mortal.
	Redemption, which is the spiritual absorption of the expiation due to others, and the measureless restitution in love of wrong, humbly brought to the soul and consumed there, so that it issues a living force to meet and deflect, is the living witness in that of us which is immortal.
	Those who wrong us do indeed become our saviours.
	It is their expiation that we make ours.
	They must go free of us, and when they come again and discrown us, then in love we shall be at one and equal.
	So far, words may clothe thought, but beyond the soul knows there is no expiation.
	Except you redeem yourself, there is no God.
	Forgiveness is the dream of little children.
	Beautiful.
	Because thus far we see and know, but no father.
	Fantastic.
	Bang on you, isn't it?
	Bang on.
	Bang on.
	Oh my gosh.
	James has just brought in his possession of Chambin.
	Chambel Moussigny.
	The label has worn away over time.
	Sitting sideways in many cellars.
	It's been everywhere.
	Can you read that?
	Is there something to be read on the very top there?
	Jevre Chauvelin, Balmo Rousseau.
	Could you hold it up to the light there?
	It's fantastic.
	There's no ullage.
	Really good news.
	So, what often happens, particularly with these old burgundies, is the level will drop down to there.
	Which means that Oxygen has gotten it and it hasn't happened.
	The caucus held.
	This is the most important point.
	Let's keep it.
	No, which means that tonight.
	But when?
	I'm going to have a six o'clock.
	I'll put it in.
	Six o'clock.
	Six o'clock.
	Fantastic.
	So wonderful.
	Oh, he's a sweet guy, James.
	Yeah, he's very sweet.
	Such nice nature.
	Oh, God.
	So, what can I say?
	I'm very, very honoured that you both came.
	I think some of the things that were said, God, I wish all three of us had said them a lifetime ago.
	Yes.
	But isn't it interesting how we've all come by our different paths and we seem to be hitting the same targets?
	Yeah.
	The same platform.
	And all three of us come from this mainstream media machine.
	That's obviously.
	That's interesting, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Isn't that strange?
	I suppose I know.
	It's funny.
	I was thinking on my way here.
	When I first started in my first few weeks of Telegraph, one of the editors, Beautiful, mentioned something about Scoop.
	I said, I've never read Scoop.
	He said, God, you have to read Scoop.
	Yeah.
	And lent me his copy to read.
	I thought, isn't it funny that Aaron now?
	Of course, Evelyn Waugh was very.
	Evelyn Wall was a truth lover.
	He couldn't bear lies.
	He said, I don't understand them.
	I just don't get them.
	On the other hand, rather like me with my newly grown horns, he was a great worshiper of Jesuits.
	Father Caraman was one of his great friends.
	And, you know, he became a Catholic through this man called Father Darcy, also a Jesuit.
	And clearly the Jesuits wanted to work on him because he was a famous writer, as they do.
	But you couldn't really.
	Evelyn Waugh's absolute rigid love of truth couldn't really be broken very easily.
	So I think he was very hard nut to crack in the sense that you'll never find him towing the party line.
	I mean, he will always laugh at the party.
	And then not only that, there was a wish to join these awful parties.
	You know, at school he wanted to be part of the school system, he wanted to be part of the rugby team or whatever.
	At university, he wanted to be part of the Oxford Union.
	When the war broke out, he wanted to be part of the army.
	Never ever could he fit.
	He was always repudiated.
	See, that's my story as well.
	Yeah.
	Exactly that.
	Yeah, that's what happened.
	Well, because they can spot you.
	they can tell you that you're not...
	You haven't got...
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because all of these things are deliberately set up to be ludicrous to anyone who's analysing them properly.
	And it doesn't mean you don't want to take part because you're curious about what it's like, but I think they can spot the people who don't pretend that they aren't absurd.
	Yes.
	It's because it's all a test.
	That's not to say everyone running all these societies knows that that's what it's there to do.
	They don't, obviously, all of them.
	But at a higher level, a system has been designed that essentially it's a filtration device, isn't it?
	It is.
	It totally is.
	It totally is.
	Well, of course, the Freemasons have rigid ways of preventing people from joining the Freemasonry who think they can join it because they're going to be part of the club who are going to be part of something.
	Or people who pretend to be Freemasons, all these sort of secret handshakes and things like that.
	I remember I was invited by a Chinaman to sit on a board of a FTSE 3250 company.
	And I went to the Beastate Club, which is a club which you might say is pretty well part of sort of inner circles, politicians, journalists, things like that.
	I was a member in those days.
	And I was talking to some people.
	I'd explained this.
	I'd been invited to an interview.
	And that interview was going to be the ex-Prime Minister of Pakistan, the ex-head of the HRC bank, whatever.
	And I said, what shall I do?
	And I'll never forget a man, very slimy man in a suit, obviously very much part of the establishment, came up behind me and put his hands on my shoulders and said, Don't worry, you'll never get the job of being this director of this company.
	Right.
	And funnily enough, I did get the job.
	And he knew you, did he, this person?
	No, he was listening to the conversation.
	It was very strange.
	What a creepy, obviously.
	He's a really inside creepy thing to do, wasn't he?
	Isn't it?
	Really, really weird thing to do.
	Anyway, then I did get the job and realised the whole thing was a complete sham.
	No, you were brilliant.
	I love that story.
	I think that you spotted their all being ripped off because of your original mind.
	The whole lot were totally being ripped off, and we were all being treated like the slave class.
	You know, they listen and say, oh, yeah, yeah, they don't do anything anyway, they don't do anything proper.
	Anyway, my proposal now is I'm going to go to sleep.
	Has Eliza shown you your bedroom?
	Will you ask you to...
	You know what?
	Before we move on to death, I wanted to ask you a question.
	Am I right to reverence Bach above Mozart and Beethoven?
	I group them slightly differently.
	So Bach and Mozart go together.
	Oh, yes.
	And Beethoven and Handel go together.
	And the reason for that is that both Beethoven and Handel wear their hearts on their sleeves.
	So if you want emotion out of music, that's to say the sheer joy of happiness, the sheer Anger of rage.
	You would go to Beethoven and you would go to Handel.
	But all these great artists are talking to the divide and they're wholly aware of it.
	With Mozart and Bach, they're slightly more cerebral.
	I irritate people by being very musical and looking rather despising Mozart.
	I don't mean that in the wrong way.
	He's clearly an absolute genius.
	But his orchestration isn't terribly good until he gets to the end.
	I mean, his last symphony number 41 is an absolute, tremendous example of orchestration.
	But on the whole, he orchestrates badly and weakly, and his divinity is coming from other sources.
	Handel, who has a very, very small orchestra, often just nothing but strings, is a complete genius at orchestration.
	So you'll listen to Handelaria, quite often that will be in Italian, if you don't really know what he's saying, and listen to what the orchestra is doing.
	It's not really the fact that he has this great array of oboes and horns and he's colouring things like Maurice Ravels and all like that.
	But what he's doing with his very small forces is completely remarkable, and that's where the concentration goes, and that the melody is on top.
	So all I'm really able to give you there is my own sense of favourites and that I lived all of my life in favour of the emotion on the sleeve.
	That's the Beethoven and the handle.
	And in my late years, as I'm facing death very closely, I've slightly shifted towards the Mozart and the Bach.
	So Bach is your top pick for dying?
	Well, I was absolutely fascinated by Bach being his own top pick for dying, for lying on his deathbed and pulling out the art of fugue that was something he had started about ten years earlier and deciding he wanted to finish that on his deathbed.
	Do you think we should we have it again?
	Yes, I can put some of it on now.
	I don't know if you can get the beginning of it here.
	He begins it in this most extraordinary way.
	Let's put the volume up so softly.
	What's that?
	A cat padding into a room.
	And now the same tune of fifth higher and it comes with another instrument.
	And now the cello comes in, same tune.
	So soft.
	so it's a few very simple notes And in comes another meticulous.
	Now, nobody told us to play that on those instruments.
	Bach didn't tell us to do that.
	What do you mean?
	Bach does not instruct us how to play this piece.
	He just writes the notes.
	He doesn't say this should be played by a viola, this must be played by a violin.
	So nobody knows how this was meant to be played.
	So did he just write it as an exercise in the art of fugue to be read by future geniuses like Mozart and Beethoven, who all had copies in their library?
	Or did he want us to play this on the harps chord?
	Does it fit on the harpsichord?
	These people who are playing it on this record specially made a viola that could play four notes lower in order to be able to play this piece.
	My view is they've perfected it.
	But...
	Isn't it beautiful?
	I've got to get this.
	You've got to get this recording.
	Yeah.
	It's by the Juilliard string quartet on the Zoni.
	But so I learnt that Shakespeare had been talking about this fourth element that was concealed within the Trinity.
	I think I spoke to you about it yesterday.
	And this fourth element is the four elements, the ancient elements, earth, air, wind and fire.
	That the idea that God is inseparable from his creation and therefore he involves everything that was created, all the elements, all the material world, including ourselves and our minds.
	Our minds are part of the Godhead.
	Then, this is the strange thing.
	I had this near-death experience when I was in a very, very acute pain.
	And the next day my daughter came to me, my eldest daughter, and I said, can you get me some music?
	And I used to be a record critic for the standard in various places.
	So I have literally thousands of CDs in this house.
	And I said to my daughter, can you go to the CD cabinet and get me something?
	I don't really mind what it is.
	I don't particularly want it to be vocal.
	Can it be instrumental?
	And maybe Baroque.
	Anyway, she went and she pulled out this record out of the thousands and thousands and thousands of records.
	And I put it on.
	And I must have played it a thousand times since.
	I've been lying in this bed, Supine died.
	And I can't tire of it.
	And then I read the sleeve notes, which are very well written actually, about how Bach was in his deathbed.
	He called for this manuscript to come back.
	He wanted to finish it.
	And on this recording, he dies.
	You know exactly where he dies.
	The music just suddenly stops.
	And his son, he'd left some instructions to his son, who was also very musical, saying that he planned this work in 14 fugues.
	And the last fugue was going to be this great treble fugue with a hidden fourth part in it.
	So that was precisely what Shakespeare was thinking of in the dedication to the sonnets, that hidden fourth part.
	That is precisely what John Dee was saying when he said the quaternary is concealed within the ternary.
	And that fourth part had Bach's name hidden upside down inside it.
	Because you could write musically the name Bach, B-A-C-H, when you know that a B is a B natural.
	And A-C-H.
	So it's deed, deeda.
	So he could write a fugue on that.
	So the coincidence of that was, again, absolutely enormous to me.
	That there are these people, now you can call them proto-Freemasons, you can call them whatever they want, who are carrying this secret through the ages, which they believe goes right back to ancient Egypt and ancient knowledge.
	What is the implication of this when you know this?
	The implication for me is that we is that there was a real need to preserve a sacred knowledge between God and humanity that at some point in our history was in grave danger of disappearing.
	Maybe as we entered the new age, we're being told now we're entering the age of Aquarius, that we are entering a new age.
	And again, there's efforts to obliterate knowledge going on right now.
	And there need to be people who can save this knowledge.
	And they need to be less secretive.
	I don't see the need for all this secretiveness anymore.
	We need to open up.
	And that means we need to stop being frightened of the words Gnostic.
	We need to stop thinking that everything is evil, that everything is bad.
	We need to come together as a collective of people who really understand truth and honesty and goodness.
	And above all, That means closeness to God.
	So, this is where I speak very frankly to you, James, because I worry about the knee-jerk, sharpling reactions to wanting to say everybody and everything is on the bad side.
	I think we've got to open now.
	There's so much good, and there's so much good among those shark clings.
	Really good.
	They are saviours, but they've got to stop knee-jerking, they've got to step say every single person is a baddie and really focus.
	But how do we do that?
	I mean, I'm entirely on your side about pretty well everyone.
	I think you went a bit far on Jane Austen, but that's a personality.
	I was teasing about Jane Austen.
	I don't think Jane Austen is a baddie.
	No, I mean, I think she's a stuffy, a stuffy person with a wit of her own.
	I like her books.
	I know I like her books.
	But I'm absolutely certain you're right on Taylor Swift and that sort of stuff.
	But how can we bring just this focus together on all these good people who just sat back and took a breath?
	They can get it right, and we can come together on this.
	But if God is within us all, how does that all the implications of how we live our lives and how we're absolutely massive because we are princes of infinite space,
	just as Hamlet says we are because we're part of the whole and we're part of this nothing, we're part of this one and we're part of this all.
	We therefore are individually all that is.
	We actually have control, we have the power to change things individually, and that's by the force of energy that then moves to this one part which is infinitesimally large and infinitesimally small.
	Now, all that really needs is instinct and intellect to understand that and thinking about it once you've got it, you've got it and you know it's the case.
	It's frustrating, James, to try to put this into words.
	But you've come to a point of understanding it, and one of the ways I came to understanding it was just through this hot, light epiphany, but was through reading great minds who understood it, like Tolstoy.
	And they explain it as best as they possibly can.
	And these are men whose life was spent using words.
	That's why I urge anyone to read the Gospels of Brief by Tolstoy.
	One of the things about it is very repetitive.
	It's a repetitive book.
	He comes back and back to the same point.
	So although it's hard and it's confusing, he gives you lots of chances to understand it.
	And when you get it, you really get it.
	And then you really get Jesus and what Jesus is saying.
	And it's blissful.
	But I know that every single shark has their favourite book, and they will jump forward and say, You must read this book.
	I mean, I've had lots of people presenting me with books, which I'm very interested to read.
	Bob gave me one just now, just starting in.
	Someone's just lent me someone about living in the now, which I'm also very interested because Jesus himself says we must live in the now.
	We must get out of the future and the present.
	Again, a very tough philosophical idea.
	But we can do it.
	We can get there just by thinking hard and understanding it.
	And my God, it makes sense.
	So what can I say, James?
	We mustn't despair.
	If you're on your deathbed as I am, and actually it's rather exciting because you're being told that you're immortal anyway.
	Yes.
	Good.
	It is going to be quite exciting.
	And Shakespeare knows it.
	Edward de Vere understands this.
	He gets it.
	He writes this poem, My mind to be a kingdom is.
	I'll turn that down a bit.
	Is that a sonnet?
	No, it's a longer rhyme with six verses per rhyme.
	Per thing.
	And the basis of it is the same.
	But my mind controls everything.
	I don't need to worry about the future.
	I don't need to worry about the past.
	I don't need things.
	I don't need to worry about cash.
	Of course, Edward de Vere went broke.
	Shut up, Dan.
	You're all right.
	I'm going to turn this down a bit because I don't think this...
	It's jolly good, isn't it?
	Absolute genius.
	Listen to that dancing.
	I'm definitely going to get it.
	I'm going to get it.
	Thank you.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Which is my...
	Is that...
	It's your yogurt and that's your fruit.
	Proper fruit.
	So I can put this in the bowl.
	Into that.
	It's your whole bowl.
	Good.
	If it misses too much yogurt.
	That's good.
	Yes, I have lots of fruit.
	I'm not sure as a cancer victim, I'm meant to be eating lots.
	They said I shouldn't eat sugar.
	Yeah, but...
	But I don't think it is...
	Blueberries are quite good for the cancer.
	Yeah.
	Very good.
	Berries are okay.
	I've also been having coffee on the basis that...
	You've been to have coffee enemas, apparently.
	Coffee enemas.
	Yeah.
	Now you once introduced me...
	Poor Alexander probably has more to do that, but when he's a bit stronger and you have to get over the squeamish because everything comes flowing out with Mark Coffin.
	Apparently they are jolly good, but...
	Who's...
	Yeah.
	Somebody talks about coffee enemas.
	Sorry, you were to...
	Well, you once introduced me to Clive DeKal, who I know that your listeners know a lot about.
	Yeah.
	Who I thought was a very nice chap.
	Yeah.
	But he was very strict.
	And I was rather stupidly seduced by some wicked doctors in Taunton.
	into having a first round of chemotherapy.
	Yeah.
	Which I deeply regret.
	And Carl said, very toughly to me to do bowel medication, he said, if you're having chemotherapy, I'm not going to help you.
	Which is fair.
	But he was tough.
	He's a tough guy, as I saw Carl.
	He didn't mince his words.
	And I was asking what sort of...
	things would be helpful to me.
	He said, I'm not interested in helping you if you're taking chemotherapy.
	Great hater of chemo, as I am now.
	So anyway, I took one dose and got extremely ill.
	Yeah.
	And wouldn't take any more of it.
	Gave pain to my nails.
	Made me very ill.
	Terrible pain in my legs.
	Another wickedness, I believe, is morphine.
	Is it?
	Is it?
	So, look, I feel very sorry for the doctors, the cancer doctors.
	Cancer's on the rise, as you know.
	Particularly among young people, which is very worrying.
	And I think that's tied to vaccinations.
	And they've got somehow to get through this conveyor belt of people saying, I've got cancer, I've got cancer, I've got cancer.
	And they seem to have a protocol.
	So you put them on the beginning of the conveyor belt, telling them, I think what you've got to do is start with leukemia.
	That...
	I think there's a certain type of blood cancer you can get where chemo is helpful.
	But on the whole, I think it's deleterious because it's aiming itself at any old cells, killing cells at random, even good cells and cancer cells.
	But anyway, so you go through your chemo and then they say, well, that doesn't work totally well.
	well has it now what we're going to do is a little bit of radiotherapy yes i'll eat it slowly thank you it's yogurt as well it's not despair so then i had this tiny little i i well actually something rather weird happened i sat down on a chair and sneezed and at the moment of sneezing i felt i fractured one of my bones One of my ribs.
	So I went to the doctor and said, I've now got cancer, fourth stage in my prostate.
	Can you do something about this?
	They weren't interested at all.
	Well, out of that fracture grew extremely rapidly a tumour.
	And it grew really, really fast.
	Within a month, it was the size of a ride people.
	And the doctors in Taunton said, we can't do anything about it.
	It looks like it's gotten enmeshed.
	with your bones, so forget it.
	So I thought, fuck, forget it.
	Sorry, my language.
	And I took myself to London and found a surgeon.
	He said, you've actually got to do something about this immediately.
	It's entangled with your bones and it's going to really mess up your ribs.
	So I asked him to take it out.
	And he charged £30,000 to remove this thing.
	Which wasn't a long way short of my life savings, which was rather pathetic.
	But we decided to do it.
	So he took it out.
	He said, when I took it out, I discovered you were absolutely correct.
	You've got a fracture in your bone, and all your bones are completely mushy.
	And you've got osteoporite osteoporosis.
	Which, funny enough, was written on the drug they gave me, the National Health.
	I hadn't noticed.
	It said, great danger of osteoporosis.
	So I ticked off my doctors and said, why didn't you read the drug packet before making me take this drug?
	I've now got osteoporosis.
	And they were going to make me into sort of a robot, a magical robot, by giving me sort of tungsten ribs.
	But they said it was too dangerous to do that, and all my ribs would fall apart.
	So they gave me some pig liver and removed all the ribs.
	Next thing is, I bumped my head on the top of a camper van.
	And out of that head grew another rapid-growing carcinoma.
	They'd never heard of this type, very rare.
	Again, you're looking at it now, James.
	It's very large and it's very hot, and you would say it looks like BLC pubs horns.
	So that's kind of where I've got.
	I'm not going to spend another £30,000, I haven't got it.
	So I'm leaving it there, it doesn't really hurt.
	But I'm falling to pieces rather rapidly.
	I'm completely paralysed in my legs down.
	And now I'm paralyzed in my arms.
	So my dear wife has to carry me to the lavatory, put me on it, wipe my bottom, and now my top half's going.
	So if that just who would like to know what's happening, that's it.
	Otherwise, my brain is sharp, but I'm turning to God very rapidly.
	And God, I'm enjoying it.
	And finding truth.
	And all these things that maybe you and I winced from three years ago, like words like love, are hugely meaningful to me now.
	They're not just soppy, sentimental things that are brought in.
	They're deeply meaningful words.
	And I do love all of humanity now.
	And it's not bogus.
	I haven't burdened myself with it because I've read a book saying you must love all humanity.
	It's coming right out of my heart because I've realised that all of humanity, including some very wicked people who I know personally, are part of God's scheme and are made by God.
	And we are all one.
	And we are all brothers.
	And that is the message of Jesus.
	Are you still feeling hate in your heart?
	No.
	No, I'm not.
	I've got very little hate in me.
	Actually.
	Interestingly.
	It's hard to have, isn't it?
	I feel sorry for the baddies.
	Yes.
	I mean.
	Ash is funny.
	One of the psalms I do every morning, Psalm 139.
	And there's some lines in it, like, do I not hate them, O God, that hate thee?
	Am I not grieved with those that rise up against me?
	Yea, against thee.
	Yea, I hate them right sore, even as though they were mine enemies.
	When I recite those lines, I'm thinking, well, the psalmist may really hate these people, but I don't.
	I mean, Kier Stalma is obviously just a wreck of a horrible piece of work, you know.
	And it's what they're doing is awful.
	What they're doing is undoubtedly terrible.
	I mean, it's the acts themselves that are evil.
	And I don't think much of the people.
	They don't really.
	I don't wake up every morning and think they want to chop darts at Bill Gates or anything.
	But Bob told us yesterday he wants to eviscerate.
	Yeah.
	Starma.
	By knowing, by hoping that Stalma sees the cartoon he does and understands the wreck he's causing.
	And I said to Bob, but there's love in it too.
	And I think Bob did agree, but he's pulled a very funny face, which your viewers wouldn't see.
	It was a low blow to you say that.
	Who do you think wrote the Psalms?
	Are you...
	That's a...
	I...
	If I live long enough, I'm going to have to write a book on the Psalms and answer all these questions.
	I mean, it's clear to me that whoever wrote them had an in.
	They were visionaries.
	They weren't your average Joe.
	They were the instrument of God.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Because they're written with such authority.
	Yeah, this person knew, as you say, rather than...
	They...
	If you want...
	If you wanted to be cynical about the Psalms.
	James, you and I spoke for a long time yesterday.
	And one of the happiest moments of that, one of the most exciting moments, was when you twice read Psalm 82 by heart.
	And I realised Psalm 82 had been a struggle with me.
	And I realised as you read it the first time and the second time, it was bang on Jesus' message.
	And I was so excited by that moment.
	Because I was pulling that psalm out saying, here's evidence that there was more than one God.
	He talks about gods in the plural.
	But he's saying exactly what I was saying.
	He was saying, those who don't acknowledge this are the ones who are causing the trouble.
	And if they acknowledge it, they go to a higher plane.
	It's exactly what Jesus was saying.
	So I really love what you're doing with the Psalms.
	I think it was really exciting.
	It's absolutely brilliant.
	I imagine you are going to get through every single one of them in this series.
	I should think so.
	I should think so eventually.
	Yes, it's a weird thing, isn't it?
	That why did I suddenly become the Psalms guy?
	I don't know.
	Why did I...
	What?
	I mean, yeah, there is such a...
	Or development from that.
	But it's that it's one of those things.
	But yeah, so I was going to say, if you wanted to be cynical about the Psalms, you would say, well, they're just wish fulfilment.
	They're just somebody kind of expressing how he would like God to be.
	Yes.
	But to me, they're much more than that.
	They are.
	They set out our relationship with God.
	Yes.
	And it's a good one.
	It's...
	Was it quite recently or was it ages ago?
	On Psalm 22.
	Am I right?
	That's the psalm in which Christ quotes it on the cross.
	It says, why do you forsake me?
	My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
	Which shows me a number of things.
	One, that Christ was highly educated.
	The Jews say that he was educated in Egypt.
	And as you know, they say he was a bastard of a Roman centurion called Ben Pandira.
	But one thing we do know, when I read a very learned book, said that you can tell from the Bible that Jesus actually spoke three languages.
	He wasn't stuck in Aramaic.
	We love to say he was a carpenter.
	I believe the word is technon.
	And technon actually means that he was an architect.
	He was a higher level of intelligence.
	But then, of course, architecture is something that is very much built in to the idea of Freemasonry, and the Freemasons carrying forward the ancient wisdom of the Egyptians, and probably even further beyond, right back to Enoch, who has held the hand of God.
	We've talked about Freemasons quite a bit, and again, the knee-jerk reaction of many of your sharklings to the evil of the Freemasons, which I don't deny.
	I don't deny at the top.
	And Bob was very interesting, I felt, on the Freemasons, and even bringing forward a slightly later date, 1816, about when their evil started lodging in their infiltration.
	But surely all of us have met Freemasons who were at the very bottom level, who were in the local village, who were in the local lodge, who genuinely see it as a charitable club that they've entered,
	that they give, some of them, a tenth of their income towards charitable causes, and they have absolutely no knowledge of the absolute criminal behaviour that is going on at the top end of their organisation.
	And we must be forgiving to those people.
	Those are the sorts of people who can help us.
	I believe it.
	And the people at the bottom of the churches, people who go to church and don't really understand how absolutely wicked the current Pope is, the current Archbishop of Canterbury.
	I mean, I'm in no doubt that these people are possessed.
	How can we forget when, was it Chichester Cathedral open to people having vaccinations and wouldn't open to services or prayer?
	Oh.
	So my call to you and your Sharklings is we come together and be forgiving and understanding of the vast lower levels of these organisations, equally the nurses in the National Health.
	Yes, they were dancing.
	What the hell were they doing dancing?
	At the same time that we were told the greatest pandemic in the history of mankind was going to wipe out mankind, and we had to have these empty hospitals with women dancing in them.
	Yes, that total lack of sensitivity and understanding.
	But we could get to those people.
	That's my point.
	They're the goodies.
	They're not baddies.
	Who were the baddies who set up these dances?
	Who were trying to make fools of us?
	Yeah, that's a good question, actually.
	I wonder who.
	I wonder how it happened.
	But this is where your organisation can help.
	I really believe it.
	You've got to pull these Sharklings together and stop them knee-jerking.
	I don't think Sharklings are going to save the world, but we're a part of it.
	Well, they're a big part.
	No, they are a big part.
	Don't forget, how many stories have they put?
	posted on your website saying i've spoken to my mother and she completely blanked me and it was very upsetting and then two months later i've spoken to my mother and she's open about this they're working away and it is working yeah and it's spreading but time is time's running out i mean do you know where are you on time with revelation and stuff.
	Biblical revelation.
	Yeah, I mean...
	Are we not in end times?
	I'm afraid to say I'm suspicious of that whole book.
	It feels very tacked on.
	Doesn't it to you?
	Well, it's so different from every other book.
	Yes and no.
	I mean, I see a lot of stuff seemingly being fulfilled.
	This is the B system.
	I'm extremely suspicious of 666.
	There is no evil number.
	It's absolute rubbish.
	666 might be telling us something.
	And I accept that it has been adopted by baddies to put the fear of God into everybody.
	But I don't accept it's an evil number.
	It is a number.
	And it's part of every single number that exists.
	It's one of the infinite numbers.
	And it can be used for good.
	I don't think I'm going to use this opportunity to explain a miracle that occurred to me with 666.
	I don't think I can.
	I think people will.
	I can try.
	Should I give it a shot?
	Yeah, I think you should.
	Having raised it, you can't leave us hanging.
	Okay.
	I'm going to give it a shot.
	My studies have been very, very intense studies on William Shakespeare and the question of whether William Shakespeare was a pseudonym.
	Now, at one point, a contemporary, this mad contemporary of William Shakespeare called John Dee, writes in one of his books, We must all look up and meditate on the number of our name and find its connection to the Trinity most blessed and holy.
	Now what does he mean by that?
	He means that every name has a number.
	As I've explained to you many times, they believed in those days that when God created the world, he did it using letter and number.
	That if you're a scientist like Bacon, it is your job to look into all things that exist, to understand them scientifically, but to understand them by letter and number.
	Now this is an extraordinary fact, because we of course are now in the digital age when everything is being digitized, which means it's all being turned into number anyway.
	So how prescient was John Dee in 1564 when he wrote this about looking for the number of your name?
	Now a lot of people don't give a shit about the number of their name, it's just nonsense.
	But let's try, okay?
	You're called James, so therefore the first number of your name is an I actually because you don't use the English alphabet, you use the Latin.
	John Dee was insistent that you use the ancient languages, only they will count.
	That's ancient Greek, Hebrew, and Latin.
	So if I want to do James, then James is the ninth letter of the Latin alphabet.
	Okay, so you're nine plus one.
	Bloody hell.
	Sorry, sorry about that.
	Bloody hell, James.
	You've got I am at the beginning of your name.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes, I thought I had.
	Now, this is more extraordinary than you think it is.
	This helps me very easily with this conversation.
	So you've got I, which is nine, one, which is ten, followed by M which is twelve.
	That spells out I am.
	Okay?
	God, in Exodus, is asked what his name is by Moses.
	He says, I am that I am.
	You tell my people, my name is I am.
	Okay?
	Now, that becomes blasphemous to say I am because you're taking the name of God in vain.
	And that number is 22.
	Yeah?
	Are you concentrating?
	Which number?
	I am.
	Oh, I see.
	Right, okay, yeah.
	I is 22.
	I is 9.
	A is 1, that makes 10.
	Am is 12.
	So the number of God's name is 22.
	God tells us that his name is I am.
	Okay?
	Now, so God in Exodus says I am is 22.
	So therefore it is blasphemous to call yourself by the name of God.
	If you went slanking around James saying my name is I am, I'll tell you some of the sharklings will be at you in five seconds saying you are taking the name of God in vain and you are calling yourself God.
	Now I could find only two people in the whole of Renaissance in all my searches who had the audacity to call themselves I am.
	One of them is Edward de Vere, who I believe was Shakespeare, who writes in a letter to Lord Birdie, stop reproaching me, I am that I am.
	The second one is William Shakespeare in Sonnet 121, 121, are you concentrating?
	What's 11 times 11?
	121 is 121, so he understands the significance of that 22.
	And he says, stop reproaching me, I am that I am.
	So both Shakespeare and Edward de Vere have say, I am that I am.
	They call themselves by the name of God.
	There's one more person I could find, and that is St. Paul, who we don't, either of us like quoting terribly much.
	But in the letter to the Corinthians, he says, yes, I laboured and I laboured more than they all, but I am that I am, and it was by God's grace that I did this.
	Now, this is the same message that Shakespeare writes in his dedication to the sonnets.
	These sonnets are all by God and Edward de Vere.
	So he is very aware that his mind is part of God.
	And when Jesus says, seek first the kingdom of God, first, it's such an important word everybody ignores, the first thing you must do is seek the kingdom of God.
	Where do I seek it?
	Jesus tells you, the kingdom of God is within you.
	You have the mind of God.
	Jesus says it is no robbery to place yourself equal with God.
	So I beg everybody, I literally beg them to listen to what Jesus is saying and stop listening to the church, which says he's part of a Godhead, which he never said he was.
	He never said it was Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
	And in the letter of John, he says it's Father, Spirit, and the Word is what the Godhead is.
	So you have a threesome plus this hidden fourth.
	And that hidden fourth is you.
	Now when you understand that, you have power.
	You have sovereignty over your mind, which was why Edward de Vere, who was Shakespeare, wrote the poem, My Mind to Me a Kingdom Is.
	And you have to read that poem to understand that he sees that he has control.
	And why Hamlet says, oh God, that I could be bound in a nutshell and be king of infinite place.
	But for these wacky dreams I'm having.
	The wacky dreams being reality that are getting in the way.
	This fake matrix, this shadow, this walking shadow.
	You know, once you get it, you get it.
	It's a profound truth.
	And if everyone understood it, we would all be sons of men.
	And our life would be better.
	Now, out there, listening to this now, will be people screaming their heads off, saying that idiot, he's a pantheist.
	He's wicked.
	He's a Satanist.
	But I absolutely know to the root of my heart that the basis of this is being an instrument of God's will.
	As Shakespeare, he said, said himself, you are the Author, sorry, you are the instrument.
	God is the author.
	I think he says it in one of the Henry VI plays.
	He knows exactly what's going on.
	So, if you accept that you are an instrument of God's will and you take on board everything you said, how do you live your life according to God's will?
	And God's will is to be kind to other people, above all, to love all other people, to love them genuinely because they are your brothers and they are all part of God and they are all equal to you, regardless of any class of any intellect.
	Everybody has what they have to offer.
	Theo wrote a beautiful poem about this.
	But everyone has within them what they have got to offer.
	Nothing more, nothing less, but they must give it to other people.
	They must stop worrying about their material needs.
	They must stop caring about the food they eat, the position they hold in society.
	It's a sort of communist message.
	It's quite radical, isn't it?
	It is radical.
	And I was brought up, and you were no doubt brought out to despise communism.
	And more scary than that, we have a World Economic Forum saying by 2030 you'll own nothing and be happy.
	Now, how close is that to Jesus's message?
	But we love Jesus and we hate Klaus Schwab.
	But there's a simple reason for that.
	Because Klaus Schwab is counting himself in as the leader of this new world.
	And by what right does he have to do that?
	That's where Klaus Schwab can say that and be bang on the message of Jesus.
	But he's absolutely got no right at all, in my view, to be working away like the devil to ensure that he's at the top of the pile when this happens, if it happens.
	But it's so slippery, Cully, that he's on Jesus's message.
	And how is he going to play that out?
	I'm very interested in watching these swine as they play with religion.
	There's somewhere in the Far East where they built three identical temples or churches that they're going to try and merge.
	Yeah.
	What do you know about that?
	That's the plan.
	No, I just heard about it.
	I mean, it's like one picks up snippets like the red heifers being bred for sacrifice in the 30s.
	What's the red heifers?
	It's something to do with the fulfilment of the prophecies of Revelation.
	They need red heifers to be sacrificed, especially bred red heifers, which they've done.
	They sacrificed them about six months ago.
	I missed that story, but I was onto one about a crazy white horse with blood in front of it.
	Oh, that one.
	That was so obviously fake.
	That was very fake, wasn't it?
	So, yeah.
	Allegedly, according to the story, something like five household cavalry riders were unseated simultaneously and the horse was bolted.
	low, a black horse and a white horse bolted down parts of London and you could, you'd The fake blood showed up nicely.
	And I think lots of readers would have consumed this story and sort of gone, well, this is weird.
	Not realizing that they're being played with, aren't they?
	They're having their minds.
	Well, I don't read enough of these online conspiracy theory channels, but I read yours assiduously.
	And your readers were very quick onto the connections to Revelation.
	Which I'm now slightly battled about.
	As you know, I'm very suspicious of Revelation.
	But there does appear a man on a white horse who is Christ in Revelation.
	Am I right about that bit of it?
	I haven't done a podcast on Revelation yet, so I'm not sure.
	It seems to be such an enormous rabbit hole, and I'm not sure that...
	am I right in thinking that the Jehovah's Witnesses are more or less entirely knowledgeable about Revelation and they claim to know the whole Bible by heart, but when you test them, it's really only revolution that they're on, which I believe they've changed and altered it.
	I don't know.
	But I mean, I was brought up a Catholic, no longer, but I went to Catholic church as a boy, and I don't remember Revelation coming up once in any of my instruction ever.
	To be fair, the Bible doesn't come out, I can't mention Catholicism, does it?
	You're not so big on it.
	Yeah, well, Catholicism slightly bans the Old Testament, actually.
	Catholicism doesn't really use the Old Testament in much.
	I have to say, I got that vibe on one of my podcasts with a Catholic priest.
	I think it's a mistake to focus on the New Testament to the exclusion of the Old Testament.
	I think that it's the same God.
	Well, especially if you don't, well, is it?
	Especially if you don't focus on Jesus' teachings.
	Surely all that is interesting about Jesus is what he said.
	Now, one of the things that Tolstoy argues, which I agree with profoundly, is if Jesus' sayings are the word of God, which is what most Christians are told to believe, that they are direct word of God, why aren't they always presented as bound, as one copy of this very sacred work, which is the work of God?
	Why are they bound up with the whole of the Old Testament and Revelation and the letters of Paul and the Acts, whatever?
	How can that be treating the Word of God as the Word of God?
	Again, I would say this is an argument to say that Jesus was one of the greatest teachers and one of the greatest divines of mankind.
	And even then, I would say we should be having books of his sayings alone and not muddling it all up with a whole lot of other stuff that everybody is struggling to understand.
	So that, I mean, that's a fundamental criticism of the Bible.
	Who decided in three, I can't remember the date, was it the Council of Nicaea or the Council of Ephesus?
	This is the Bible.
	I heard a story written by one of the ancients, Eusebius, or was it one of them, one of the fathers of the church, that when they tried to choose which books got into the Bible, the bishops got so angry with each other, they started fighting and punching each other, literally punching each other in the face.
	And their anger turned to buggery and they literally buggered each other.
	Really?
	At one of those councils.
	Who wrote this?
	Well, I think it might be Eusebius.
	It was one of the church fathers who was writing a history of...
	But it was either the Council of Nicaea or the Council of Ephesus, which was the one where they chose the sort of fight.
	I know it's been the Council of Nicaea, wasn't it?
	But one of the descriptions, you will find that they got so angry, they started literally punching each other and drawing blood out of each other's noses, which ended up in buggery.
	They're so angry they buggered each other.
	I've never heard of buggery being used as a teacher.
	Well, I hope I've not.
	Have you?
	Yes, yes.
	I had a friend who his parents went out and said that he could have his birthday party at his house with all his friends.
	And so his parents went out to a restaurant.
	And when they returned, they found the whole house, their house had been completely smashed up by their son and their birthday party.
	They'd all lost their temper with each other in a massive fight.
	And two of them were drooling and dribbling over each other, naked in the parents' bed.
	I think they had probably buggered.
	So I think anger can turn to rage.
	I think probably a lot of rage.
	I don't realise I've been quite lucky with my children.
	They never have parties like that.
	I'm very glad to hear it.
	But I think quite a lot of rape and suicide is generated by anger.
	Desperate measures.
	The numbers thing.
	Oh, yes, it's absolutely fascinating.
	So I remember when you came over to my gap, and I had done the numbers on, I hope I got it right, on James Mark Corst Dellingpole.
	I remember.
	And it meant something fantastic, which was very pleasing.
	I mean, you do believe that numbers are kind of...
	They're very powerful, aren't they?
	They're sort of...
	They are.
	They are extraordinarily powerful.
	The original number of books in the Hebrew Bible, what we call the Old Testament, was 22.
	I've just told you why 22 is important.
	But it's a strange thing, because 22 in English, i.e., you extract the Latin and take the English, and you have I am the name of God.
	In Hebrew, the name of God is spelt out with vowels, four vowels, known as the Tetragrammaton.
	And in Hebrew, you don't have...
	I'm so sorry...
	The Hebrew is four consonants.
	In Hebrew, you don't have vowel sounds.
	And so the tetragrammaton cannot be pronounced except through argument of deciding what the consonants must be between those vowel sounds.
	And traditionally in English translations, we say Jehovah.
	And more scholarly and slightly more accepted by the Jewish community is Yahweh.
	But that's filling in, filling in that music.
	No, no, no, it's what I wanted to.
	I'm just trying to find tissue.
	So we can have this quarrel between Yahweh and Jehovah as to the name of God.
	But even then, you will find Hebrews, Jewish people, are too sensitive ever to say either of those words.
	They write out G dash D. They have all sorts of ways around it.
	Now, one of the points that God makes and is made in the Bible is that God is all number and all letter.
	And that letters and numbers are interchangeable anyway.
	So how can you be all letter and all number?
	I mean, God obviously says I and the Alpha and the Omeka and it is implied that he is all the letters and all the numbers in between.
	But you can see that God Himself is interested in letters and numbers, so we wouldn't be talking in this way at all about letters and numbers.
	So then was contrived this idea out of the tetragrammaton that we need to give God a name that is unpronounceable, but is made of all letters and all numbers and preserves the idea of the four, the tetragrammaton.
	So this number comes up, which is I, I, I, I. Now you'll see this really weirdly in places.
	There's a picture of Edward de Vere, who as we know is Shakespeare, by that wonderful miniaturist called Hilliard.
	Do you know who I'm talking about?
	He's an Elizabethan miniaturist.
	He says it says these tiny little portraits.
	And there's Edward de Vere holding the hand of God.
	And if you twist the hand and watch how the fingers, you know how cunning the Elizabethans were, you could see AA.
	Just the two A's, but the two A's have each got two bars in.
	So a capital, you know, you write a capital A. It's a triangle with a bar in it.
	They've got two bars.
	It's implying two A's.
	Well, A is one.
	So two A's one, one.
	And the second A is one, one.
	So you've got I, I, I, I. He's holding the hand of God.
	Equally, if you go into Latin, what's the number two in Latin?
	II.
	II.
	So 22, well, actually, we know that 22 is written with an X, but if you write I, I, I, I, you're writing the name of God again.
	In just two, two, and it's 22 in Latin.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	So you'll see these weird engravings of Francis Bacon sort of pointing at 2-2 there and 2-2 there.
	And if you go to Shakespeare's sonnets, as I said, a number of his works, Venus and Donus, you see this beautiful headpiece with IIII.
	This is the name of God, and what he's telling you is that he created those sonnets through the grace of God that is within him, but that his mind is godly.
	So there is one use of number.
	But this is, I'm acutely aware, James, that you asked me a very, very difficult question and I'm trying to evade it.
	So I'm now going to stop evading it, okay?
	And this is about the number of your name.
	And Edward de Vere discovered the number of his name as it links to the Trinity.
	And this is the brilliant, clever Trinity with the fourth part hidden within it.
	So he's not just linking his name to the number three, he's linking it to the name of the number three with this hidden quaternary within it.
	And the number he came up with was 1740.
	Now, 1740, should we start to work out how he worked out this was number's name?
	Okay, I'm going to start with his pseudonym, which is William Shakespeare.
	Okay?
	William begins with a capital W, doesn't it?
	There was no such thing in the Renaissance as a W, because there's no such thing as a W in the Latin alphabet.
	So they called it a double V. V is the 20th letter of the Latin alphabet.
	So a double V is 40.
	Simple?
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So you've got your W, and then you've got Ilium Shakespeare, which is 17 letters.
	So you've got 40, 17.
	You've got it in reverse.
	I'm going to get on to how Edward de Vere is 1740, but I'm just telling you his pseudonym is reverse.
	It's like looking in a mirror.
	It's 40, 17.
	Ilium Shakespeare is 17 letters, and you've got your W, which is 40.
	Right?
	But this is much more brilliant than you think it is.
	Because Ilium is the same place as Troy.
	And Ilium is where the patron saint of playwrights, of poets, shook by her will the spear of Achilles.
	Do you remember what happened?
	That enabling him to kill Hector.
	It was the will of Pallas, the goddess of theatre, the goddess of playwrights, who shook the spear.
	So you've got your Ilium Shakespeare that happened at Ilium.
	How bloody clever is that?
	The most perfect surname.
	It links the name of Edward de Vere to the number 1740 backwards because it's mirrored, and it mirrors the patron goddess of playwrights and poetry by the will of Pallas Athena, the goddess of playwrights.
	Okay?
	Yeah.
	Right, put that to one side.
	Let's now get back to the original author who was William, who was Edward de Vere.
	Edward de Vere hid his name four ways, hid the number four ways, 1740, in his signature.
	Now, this is very visual, unfortunately.
	So the best thing I could advise anyone listening to this is to go to a short lecture I put on YouTube, which I think is called A Rose by Other Name Shakespeare.
	And it shows how exactly how 1740 is embedded four times in the beautiful, elaborate Tudor portrait of Tudor signature of Edward de Vere.
	Absolutely, brilliantly, brilliantly done.
	He has a 7 and a 4, and he adds it up to the 1740, and he does it four times, one of which is concealed within the ternary.
	So I don't want to advertise myself, I remember a lot of laughter when you had a man on your show called Bart Subrell who couldn't ever stop talking about his internet site.
	I've never monetized my internet site.
	My view is that truth has to be free.
	And I've never made a bean from it.
	But it's very visual, and so it's very easy for people to understand what I'm talking about.
	And the 1740.
	But where this I think gets really interesting is that people understood this at the time.
	And Edward de Vere died in 1604.
	And in 1740, the date, 1740, they erected in Westminster Abbey that very famous marble monument to William Shakespeare, bang on top of the place where Edward de Vere was buried.
	So there were people carrying forward this knowledge of 1740.
	And on the very date, look, this is the only thing I'll say about my numbers, which I felt was extraordinary.
	On the very date that I had this extraordinary epiphany, I realized the date itself added to 666.
	I think it was the month of what it must have been June thing.
	You finally got to the six.
	I was wondering when the 666 was going to say.
	Right, well, guess what I did?
	I panicked.
	I obviously panicked.
	And I thought I'd been deceived.
	The 666 has arrived.
	And then guess what?
	No, how did this work?
	I subtracted the date.
	I took 66 away from the date.
	That's what happened.
	And it came to 1740.
	I couldn't bloody believe it.
	I just couldn't believe it.
	Sorry, what did you do exactly?
	Exactly.
	What the hell did I do?
	God, wouldn't it be sad if the devil's on my brain now?
	It's stopping me.
	Eliza will remember.
	I subtracted because I took 666 away.
	Her name.
	Can you remember what I did, Liza?
	I took 66 away.
	And it came to 1740.
	Now, this is the weirdest thing that you could imagine.
	Eliza and Alexander are 1740.
	That's our 70 letters.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	A W, which I tell you is 40.
	1740 is exactly the same geometric value as four T's.
	You see how mad people are going to start thinking about.
	No, do you know what?
	I think they'll have to trust you on the maths, you know, on the number, because you did.
	I understand what I look.
	This is the miracle.
	A triple towel contains three T's.
	T is the number 19.
	So they add up to 57.
	Triple towel, 319 to 17.
	Yeah, and 57 is 17 plus 40.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	I've told you that the triple towel has a hidden T within it.
	So in fact, it's got 40s.
	40s are 76.
	War, the name war, the surname war, is also 76.
	Eliza and Alexander are 17 plus 76.
	So they're 1740.
	They're the same as William Shakespeare.
	It's just very strange.
	You know, I totally accept that I can't drag everyone along with me on this.
	But when you get into it and you start understanding, and I know lots of your shark queens do understand.
	I remember lots of them coming up saying, I keep seeing 1111.
	Do you remember?
	Do you remember?
	Well, I wish you did, because lots of them, they'll pop up now if they hear this.
	Lots of them came up, said, I keep seeing 1111.
	And I knew that 1111 was the way that Francis Bacon and English intellectuals and scientists in the time of the Renaissance were understanding the name of God.
	It's 22.
	I am.
	It's the beginning of your name.
	It's the end of William.
	I've told you the number that I keep seeing all the body time is 33.
	I know, and you panicked about it.
	No, I just think it's that they're playing with me.
	They're trying to.
	I don't panic.
	But you've got to answer yourself, why did they choose 33 to bait you with?
	Why?
	No, we know perfectly well why.
	Because they're frightened of the number 33.
	They want to subvert it to their own ends.
	And they want to say, nudge, nudge, wait, wait, close one eye, put a triangle in a stupid place, and believe that we're tricking the masses when we use the number 33.
	And you've fallen for that.
	33 is a sacred number to the Christians.
	I've almost fallen for it.
	I just sort of noticed it a lot.
	Well, 33.
	I don't feel.
	I don't feel.
	Yeah, I don't.
	I don't go.
	Oh, no.
	The clock, I've just glanced at the clock and it's 33 again.
	I just go.
	Unless you agree with me that the resurrection may have been a cabal trick.
	Oh.
	Because he was 33 when he...
	I believe in the Churin Shroud and things like that.
	Right.
	I think that persuaded me.
	Inter alia.
	I know you do.
	This is our big difference.
	Is it?
	I don't go with the resurrection.
	I think it was added on.
	Oh, okay.
	Because he didn't need it.
	Jesus keeps telling you that it's the life and the light are what are within you that tell the intelligent man that he must serve the will of God and they are perpetual.
	He didn't advocate for the body.
	In fact, he was the opposite of the body.
	He said the body goes, his body doesn't come back and start walking around in heaven with feet and toes.
	I'm sorry, I know this is a massive subject and it makes people very, very cross.
	But I consider myself an anarchic Christian and I can't go with the resurrection.
	It seems to me that the big trick that is being played on us all.
	Well, I think you're allowed.
	Of course, James.
	Of course, of course.
	And I love you.
	I love you like a brother.
	And of course, I don't want to.
	I don't even want to persuade you.
	I just feel in my heart it's a trick and it's wrong.
	You know?
	In an odd way, I mean, this is pretty good.
	It sounds Johnny controversial of me, but it doesn't matter that much whether one does or one doesn't believe in it does if you believe in Jesus.
	Now, you'll say, I do believe as Jesus, so I believe in the reaction.
	I say, I do believe in Jesus, and I believe he didn't teach that.
	And you should be very wary of it.
	So it does matter.
	So what do you think happened?
	He just died.
	Well, he never said it.
	Who said that he resurrected?
	Let's start with that.
	Well, the disciples saw him.
	What date were the disciples writing?
	I don't know.
	What, 50 years after his death?
	No, I don't know.
	Remind me who saw him.
	His mother.
	His mother.
	They saw him walking.
	He came out of the tomb.
	He was removed from the tomb.
	Nobody actually saw him walk out.
	But the tomb was empty.
	And then people started saying, that's him.
	Oh, no, no, that's not him.
	Oh, I don't recognise him.
	I mean, come on, are we talking about God or what?
	So there's a guy over there, didn't recognize him.
	Oh, no, I don't think he's the son of God.
	Oh, yes, no, no, he was.
	I mean, it's very badly told.
	I don't know.
	Well, there's lots about the Bible, which is quite sketchy, and you have to kind of piece together what.
	why should it be sketchy if we're talking about the most important things in the world I don't know how So what's your take on the Turin Shroud?
	You think it's a fake?
	I enjoy it.
	I enjoy it remaining a mystery at the moment.
	Of course, my more scientific mind would love to have an end to the quarrel, which has gone on and on and on.
	But it's so difficult when people come to these scientific things.
	I'm thinking, of course, of the discoveries, The scrolls, the Dead Sea Scrolls and the ones that were found in Egypt, that people come to them, scholars come to them with bias, which is exactly what's always happened with the Turin Shroud.
	And it makes it extremely difficult to just read what the latest person said and agree with it.
	I think the Nokomadi things are quite weak in terms of being the extra missing gospels.
	I don't think they have the same claim to.
	Well, they're not weak when you put them in the context of the arguments that took place between the bishops at the councils when they obviously had huge numbers of texts in front of them.
	The Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of this, the pseudopigrapher.
	And they were choosing out of those piles which ones went into their sacred pile.
	Well, that was one choice made by one set of bishops at one time.
	And we know now that there were many different texts.
	And I think it's very, very hard to argue that Jesus wasn't an Essene.
	We have various remarks about what the Essenes stood for and what they believed in.
	And they seem to go hand in hand with what Jesus was teaching.
	He seems to have come out of a group, a cult, if you wish to call it like that.
	Certainly, a lot of people would call the Essenes Gnostics.
	Jesus would count as a Gnostic.
	He travelled out on his own, which Essenes generally didn't do, and they kept their teaching secret, but luckily some of their history of what they taught has leaked out, and started preaching on his own.
	And then we have this cave into which some shepherd apparently threw a stone and got a ting sound, climbed up to this cave and found, when was it just after the Second World War, this huge bundle of religious texts, many of them coincide totally with Old Testament texts and different things.
	Book of Jubilees.
	I'm not sure by what total right we could say, having studied all of these incredible texts, the Gospel of Thomas, very interesting, for instance, to say nowadays, 2,000, less than 2,000 years later, oh, these ones definitely should have gone in the Bible, these ones definitely shouldn't.
	Those bishops who got together got together under the aegis of Constantine.
	I don't think Constantine was a Christian, I think it's a complete lie.
	I think we probably agree on that.
	I think Constantine got very cleverly put the Christians together to try and stop them being a deleterious force in his empire.
	And so he helped those councils to get together.
	And as I said, a lot of them was put together by a lot of fat, buggering, fighting bishops of whom we don't even know half their names.
	And they put the Bible together.
	So we have to be cautious.
	Yeah, I suppose that this is one of we've gone through an era where we're both subject to our knowledge biases.
	I've listened to five hours of exegesis by Michael Heiser on the Nokomadi and I'm persuaded that they were written in Coptic.
	They don't have the kind of the authenticity of the synoptic gospels.
	But it doesn't mean that they weren't written by someone who had a deep desire to save ancient knowledge of mankind's relation to God.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'm...
	Well, I suppose what I'm saying is it's not...
	I can't see it's...
	a particularly fruitful area of discussion, because...
	What do you think the point was of the scribe of the Nancomadi manuscripts, A, writing them down and B, hiding them in this pot?
	What was the point?
	Oh, I think there were loads and loads of Different loads and loads of variants on the Christian message circulating in the years after Christ.
	Right.
	So, one of your first points is to date them after Christ.
	Which is correct.
	They have to have been there.
	They have to be in the Narcissa Martins, but that's your important point.
	That they are slightly wrong, slightly twisted Christianity messages.
	Well, there might be some bits in it which.
	In the Dead Sea Scrolls, of course, you get a lot of Old Testament.
	So, what do you say about that?
	Well, what does that mean?
	So, I've done a lot of study of Trismusbogistus.
	Yeah.
	And one of the first arguments.
	Can you keep this person at bay for a second?
	I will, it's probably not for you.
	One of the first arguments that came up, particularly in the Renaissance, when a lot of very Christian people were getting interested in Trismus' Megistas, was what date was he?
	So, you get this man called Cosubon, this very famous scholar, who became insistent that he was post-Christ.
	And in fact, he was just copying Christ.
	He was using a blood test for the other injection, do you remember?
	No, which is a bit of a nuisance, but a bit of a nuisance.
	No, don't worry.
	It's not going to take very long in this.
	Well, hopefully not.
	So, sorry, James.
	My main point is one of the first arguments.
	I'll just finish this.
	One of the main bones of contention was: was Hermes post-Christ or early Christ?
	And Cosubon, being a Christian, said he was post-Christ, and whoever wrote the Corpus Hermetica was basically aping Christ and pretending that this was an ancient Egyptian from the time of Moses.
	There are others who argue deeply that the roots of what Hermes is saying go right back to the time of Moses.
	And that's why he is a very, very important testament to man's relation to God because he helps with the big problem, the Prisca theologica, i.e., all that came before Christ.
	You can't say that anyone who doesn't follow Christ is damned to hell.
	Is that what it's called?
	I've always wondered about that one.
	The Prisca theologia.
	What does it mean?
	Well, it means the former, the original theology, i.e., our original relation with Christ.
	You can't have Christ coming along saying, I am the way, I am the truth, I am the eternal life.
	And nobody gets to me except through God if you happen to be pre-Christ.
	I mean, you're all down, aren't you?
	Indeed.
	So, to a lot of people, Hermes was the answer to this.
	Because he was an ancient and he was a contemporary with at least Moses.
	And he was an Egyptian.
	What's your take on Hermes just Megistus?
	He was pre-Christ.
	I think the origins are from man.
	Call him Hermes if you want.
	He could have been several different people.
	He's associated with the Greek god Hermes, obviously, but with the Egyptian god Thought and with what is known as Fordus Mercurius in Latin, in the Romans.
	So he's merging with a god, but there are several different Hermes, but you can talk about that later.
	But if he was a real man, that these instincts are so noble, are so tangible, are so visceral, and I keep using that word, that they must have some origin in something that someone was desperate to preserve.
	And I believe, at very least, those go back to ancient Egyptian thought.
	And there are others who would quarrel with that.
	Okay, as you know, Nurse has just come in saying I've got to give a blood test.
	I don't think it will take more than a few minutes.
	Would you allow me to do that?
	I think I'm going to deign to allow you to have a blood test.
	Will you let her in?
	She's got out of the room.
	I forgot.
	She was very excited pretty well over the Shakespeare, whom I have consistently pointed out was Eva De Vere.
	And more and more and more of the intelligent thinking world are understanding that is the case, once said that the scriptures were very badly written indeed, and he could write them better within six days.
	It's a difficult for boastful writer.
	He was, of course, a brilliant writer, but it's very interesting to me that he said that.
	That he was unquestionably of the view that the scriptures had been tampered with and that they had been altered for political purpose.
	What was his evidence?
	Well, he was talking about who was Jesus.
	He was talking about the virgin birth.
	He was talking about the miracles.
	And I think he was talking about them in a pragmatic and logical way and saying that the miracles had obviously been added in order to encourage people who might not be believers.
	That was De Vere's view.
	Yes, who would jump in on side?
	You know, he could see very clearly the political motivations between some of these points and obviously the genealogies.
	I mean, one forgets that Jesus was a bastard in Matthew 17 and 18.
	Again, numbers come in here.
	Oxford was the 17th Earl of Oxford and he surrogated a son to be the 18th Earl of Oxford, which is a very naughty thing to have done.
	And he was extremely apologetic and he hated the fact that Vir stood for truth and he concealed this fact that the 18th Earl of Oxford was actually surrogated.
	And he turns in his Bible to these verses, 17 and 18, in which we are told that Jesus was already in the womb of Mary before Joseph had met her.
	This idea that he was in fact, well, the Bible says that he was mystically the son of God by an announcement through the angel Gabriel.
	The Jews who were closest to that time wrote these very controversial histories called Toldot Yezu, The History of Jesus, in which they said he was actually the bastard's son of Ben Pandira, who was a Roman soldier and had been conceived in Egypt.
	That he had been grown up in Egypt where he had learnt magic and spells.
	So it seems a little bit as though the ancient Jews were allowing him a certain amount of magic, whether that's to do with raising of the dead or when were they?
	When were these these texts written?
	Well, again, as soon as you start this, you start this almighty argument.
	But I believe they were first century AD.
	Could be second century.
	Glimmy.
	So it goes back a very long way.
	The rabbit hole of rabbit holes, isn't it?
	It is the rabbi holes.
	But if you if you've discussed how we can get to the loo easier and put handles and things like that.
	Goodness.
	Dear Chris, did you have an appointment?
	No, I think it's a good idea.
	Yeah, the referral came from the nurse practitioner yesterday.
	No.
	Hermes Trismegistus.
	Ah, so there you go.
	But she's formed with a W, not with an U. That doesn't make any difference because there wasn't any W in the same thing.
	Oh, okay.
	But so in other words, if I identify myself with Pan, then I'm your brother-in-law, okay?
	Oh, okay.
	And our father is Hermes Trismegistus.
	Maybe that will help you clock in a little bit to what's going on.
	What you've done, what you've done, Alexander, is you've gone and opened my mind to yet more possibilities.
	It's our job, isn't it?
	It is our job.
	And it's unquestionable that when the Christians were trying to start their religion, they obviously had to walk around closing down a lot of other things that could have been inhibitors to that.
	Yeah.
	Which include what were going on, which was the worship of Pan.
	Pan, like it or not, was a goodie to the people who worshipped him.
	He was mischievous.
	That's definitely true.
	And the word panic comes is derived from Pan.
	He liked to make his herds of goats run all over the place in panic.
	I remember when I was very young, we used to have a clay pigeon macho shooting machine at Pymphloy.
	and I was very naughty, and I regret it now.
	I used to get the machine and set it very, very low so that it would skim across the fields towards the sheepherds.
	I think put them all in a complete panic.
	So it is very, very strange the connection to Pan.
	And then I hear people saying, ah, he's a pantheist.
	And I deny that, really.
	But where do we go?
	Who do we listen to?
	I do listen to genius.
	One of the great geniuses, obviously Shakespeare, but Delius, I used to.
	Well, still, I'm thinking of one of the great, great men that ever lived.
	Both Delius and Edward de Vere were very critical of organized religion.
	But I believe you can be very critical of organized religion and still be a very spiritual person without joining the baddies.
	It's really that simple.
	Can you try and get your herd to understand that?
	Trying to get my herd to agree on anything.
	It's not going to be.
	No, that's not going to happen.
	Well, of course.
	But they're finding platforms and they're finding happiness on those platforms, and that's really important.
	And where I stand, they are our brothers in love.
	And the vast majority of them agree that serving the will of God, which is a positive good, is what they must be doing, developing virtue.
	That's got to be it, hasn't it?
	Serving the will of God and developing virtue.
	And what's not to like about that?
	There's nothing not to like.
	And then we become, according to Jesus, this highly confusingly named Son of God.
	And once you're a son of God, you are guaranteed eternal life.
	Anyway, look, this is a man who really doesn't know when he's going to die with cancer.
	And I'm very wary of adopting such doctrines on the basis that they're comforting to me now.
	I wish I'd adopted them when I was one years old.
	But Jesus tells us we were actually adopting them without our knowledge, if we are intelligent from before we were born.
	And I believe in that.
	I know it since this strange epiphany.
	I also don't want to turn into a preacher.
	I like being a queer and a finder.
	I don't want to be a dog collar in a pulpit.
	No.
	But how does it comfort you, what you've understood now?
	What does it tell you about?
	That the worst things in life, which are to me extreme pain, don't matter.
	That the body doesn't matter.
	The body is something that is a temple while it holds the life and the light of God.
	And while it doesn't, it's disposable.
	And that we, if we really concentrate and have the dignity of mind and understand our connection to the word, actually have sovereignty of mind and sovereignty over all that is.
	We are therefore in control of the Joe Bidens, of the wickedest elements of the child-eating idiots.
	We can actually stop this.
	And we can stop it, not just by prayer, but a prayer that appeals to everything, to the extent of all things that exist.
	And that will bring in the natural law, which will sway the pendulum against these absolute shits who seem to have worked out that through computers, through guile, they can deflect free will through distraction, deception, all the things that Jesus was warning about.
	They can get their way and take control.
	But they can't.
	That's the nutshellest I can give.
	about our comfort.
	You wanted to talk about death.
	You're dying.
	What's it like?
	Well, you see, Ishi Guru and people have written highly intelligent things telling us right from the ancients, we're all dying from the moment we're born.
	But we don't think about it.
	Why?
	Because we're programmed, I suppose, not to think about it.
	I've always thought about death almost every day and not in a gloomy way.
	And I see a lot of your shark things saying, and I believe them 100% I believe them.
	They have no fear whatsoever.
	And I have no fear whatsoever.
	And often I think, well, that's luck.
	I don't think you do, James.
	Have you talked about this?
	You have a bit.
	I don't want to be tortured.
	Pain is the problem.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	We don't know when pain's going to come across us suddenly.
	But I'm not frightened of that.
	When it comes, it comes.
	I wouldn't like to be eaten by a shark either.
	I'll tell you what I dislike.
	I would loathe that, actually.
	It's just something I thought of.
	Or a crocodile.
	That sudden bite and then pulling you underwater so you can't breathe.
	And the crocodile twists you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Anaconda suffocates you.
	That would be horrible.
	Anaconda, yeah, that would be really horrid.
	Well, because I'm a great believer in the four elements: earth, fire, wind, and water.
	And stopping someone from getting the air, the air inside you.
	Lighting a fire is so beneficial.
	Breathing deeply is so beneficial.
	And I don't know if you've heard of earthing.
	I don't know if it's bad.
	Yeah, earthing is good.
	It's absolutely wonderful.
	You take your shoes off and put them on the bare earth.
	And there is this theory, really well argued by some people on the internet, that the air, sorry, that the earth is giving out a sort of electrical charge.
	And that if you put your bare feet upon it, that electrical charge comes up through the feet and through the body.
	And I had a very good video, I'm sorry, I can't remember who put it down now, who says that the worst enemy to mankind is, guess what?
	The rubber sole.
	Oh.
	Gym shoes.
	We all wear gym shoes.
	Well, my father used to call gym shoes.
	And they stop this electrical charge that is natural to the earth from coming through you.
	That's a good point.
	Yeah, look at your shoes.
	They've got rubbish soles.
	I know they have, and I don't particularly like wearing them.
	I think I left my coffee round side of it.
	Oh, yes, I saw it.
	I'm going to bring it through.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	Earthing, you're right.
	Earthing really important.
	And light a fire, or at very least a candle.
	Every time you have supper at night.
	You're right in pain.
	I'm okay, my love.
	Thank you for asking.
	Relax your forehead then if you're okay.
	Relaxing father.
	So James has gone out to find something else.
	He does drawing his poker.
	Coffee.
	So Eliza, I was just saying things that you all agree with anyway, so that's a good point.
	The four elements, the hidden fourth, the hidden fourth that rests within the ternary, that rests within the Trinity.
	No, thanks.
	Are the old-fashioned.
	Well, you need to ground.
	Are you listening because otherwise it's not going to make any sense?
	I'm grounding.
	The hidden fourth that is within the ternary are the four elements.
	And we get those four elements by our bare feet grounding.
	By at very least lighting a candle, which I've done.
	We've been doing for the last 15 years, haven't we, Liza?
	Every time we have supper, we light candles.
	Switch off the electric lights.
	That gives you your fire.
	We add candles rather than switch off anything.
	We add candles.
	And then we breathe the air deeply through our lungs to get the air.
	And the fourth element being earth, air, fire.
	I really want to.
	So wind is the breathing, isn't it?
	I suppose.
	I've got one of Bob's copper tubes.
	So do I. So we're all wet.
	I definitely need instructions.
	I know we are going to need so.
	And it involves practical skills, which I lack already.
	Me too.
	I lack the attention span for it's.
	Yeah, it takes a day out of this.
	It's why I couldn't get on with I really hated Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance because I haven't got the patience to do all this stuff.
	I think can't you pay a handyman to do it?
	You can.
	What was the copper coil shape?
	So it's a copper tube with some base with some sort of precious stones in it.
	And it gets rid of all the chemtrails and creates sun for 45 miles around.
	According to Bob, it works.
	Ah, because we were trying vinegar.
	Yeah, which is a bore because you have to go out all the time and keep burning something.
	It's a bore.
	And it does kind of work, but it's.
	You had a lot of sharkling objection to it.
	I know, I just think I really...
	The thing that annoys me on the sharkling channel is sharklings who decide this or that conspiracy theory is too out there for them to believe in.
	And I'm thinking, well, hang on a second.
	What is the weirdest thing of all is that there was this omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent creator that made us in his image.
	Yeah, deal with that.
	There was nothing weirder than that.
	There is nothing weirder than that.
	Except it's logical.
	Well, yeah, yeah, it is.
	But so is a herb that can do something.
	Yeah, so if you accept that, then it's surely conceivable that burning white spirit vinegar can make the chemtrails go.
	I don't see why.
	Yeah, no, look, I'm not against it.
	And when Eliza was doing it, you were doing it quite some time ago, nearly a year ago, I looked up and thought it was working.
	There were these patches that were recoiling from what Eliza was doing.
	They don't like it.
	They don't like it.
	They don't like the spirit vinegar.
	Those clouds, those man-made man-made, I suppose it is.
	What does someone like Rupert Shell Drake say about it, I wonder?
	I'm going to have to get him on the pod.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he's a very interesting man, and he has, you know, he's determined that he's scientific and his degrees are scientific and he's written scientific papers and he's held scientific offices where he's an academician, if you like.
	And scientific work.
	And his ideas are very wacky.
	And he's been.
	Oh, it's Charlie doing some gardening, isn't it?
	He's been quasi-cancelled.
	Not a pigeon.
	I think pigeons do that.
	But I think Shell Drake's a good person.
	His wife's very interesting.
	She does these constellations.
	It's completely awake about vaccines or anything.
	It is given to few.
	It's quite strange.
	What a sort of cross-section it is.
	But what does completely awake mean?
	Yeah.
	They start from that basic premise.
	Okay, let's discuss one of the fundamentals of James's Telegram channel.
	And one of the fundamentals was this thing that was taken from Miriam.
	Oh, if you know the name they're in the game.
	If you know the name, you've in the game.
	And for anyone who doesn't understand that, it means that if you're invited to be interviewed on any mainstream media, then you're a shell.
	Is that an acceptable stance?
	I don't know about that.
	I'd say.
	But what you were saying with Bob yesterday was that people are being used for a bit.
	They don't have to be able to do it.
	We don't know they're being used for a bit.
	Like all rules of thumb, there are going to be exceptions that prove the rule.
	And it's not so much that suppose in the extremely unlikely event I were ever invited to do an interview on the BBC, which I and I accepted, but I wouldn't do it.
	When were you last invited to be on a maid service?
	The last time I did The BBC was the Andrew Neal when Andrew Neal picked on me.
	And I thought.
	He caught you out, which was such a shame because you're so uncomfortable.
	No, but you know what?
	The thing is, he didn't really catch me at it.
	It was a cheat.
	Because at the time, I blame myself.
	You think it's your fault.
	And I see now, now I understand how the media works.
	The media is a lie machine, the mainstream media.
	It's not in the service of truth.
	And he posed some complicated question, which would be pretty.
	It wouldn't be that legitimate, even say, were I the functionary who had been deputed to perform this particular task and work out the details of how it gelled with whatever policy issue he was quizzing me on?
	But the thing I should have said to him, and this is why I think it's important to be authentic and speak the truth all the time.
	What I should have said to him was, Andrew, we are here talking on a late night political show when everyone's letting their hair down, everyone's taken their ties off, and that is part of the shtick of this particular show.
	Everyone's relaxed.
	I spent the afternoon dressed up as a zombie to create an amusing filmed insert before the show.
	I was following lines that had been pretty much given to me by your editor because I was striking a particular pose.
	I'm pro-Brexit, or I thought I was at the time.
	And generally my view is it's all going to be okay.
	Freedom is good, whatever.
	And here you are breaking the rules of that implicit contract.
	It wasn't an explicit contract, but that was the deal.
	And you are pretending that this is A, the daytime, B, that I'm an expert on every, or that I even care about everyday EU policy.
	And you are now, you've, for whatever warped reason, Andrew, you've decided to put me on the spot over an issue of actually ultimately no consequences, because as we've known since from Brexit, it was all a sham anyway.
	I'm not going to answer that question because I think it's dishonest.
	I think you're dishonest.
	I don't know what game you're playing, but I'm not going to play it.
	Now, that would have taken time, but it would have destroyed him.
	I mean, it would have been a good idea.
	As you've just admitted, he would never have let you give that long answer.
	No, no, he wouldn't.
	But people like Andrew, you know, again, I don't hate these people.
	I feel sorry for them.
	They are corrupted.
	They are losers.
	Jesus teaches us to love them.
	Yeah.
	It's a hard one to love Andrew Neil, isn't it?
	But at what point did he turn into this very ludicrous, ambitious character who...
	You look at them and it's a bit like Gulliver's Travels, isn't it?
	Where you get rewarded with high office for who can perform the silliest dances.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	It's not real.
	I was trying to explain.
	The only thing I'll say about Andrew Neal is: do you remember, I'm sure you do, when the Today programme, for instance, was greatly criticised, a lot of the BBC interviewers, for hammering into every single MP they ever interviewed.
	And they just went for the negative, just trying to trip them up, always got this sort of question to catch them out.
	Then suddenly along came Brexit, and they all changed sides, and they didn't hammer a single MP.
	They didn't do anything.
	So along come you, Rara Arvis, onto The Andrew Neal show.
	Andrew Neil at that point was famous for laying into people.
	He hadn't laid into anybody, even though...
	He was pro-Brexit.
	No, he was hiding in.
	Yeah, he was anti-Brexit.
	He was definitely, definitely, or just paid to be.
	No, no, he was definitely anti-Brexit.
	Alright, so anyway, along comes you, and then he's at last got his, what he's famous for to lay into again.
	But it was astonishing how all the, do you remember all of those vicious BBC interviews, they stopped being vicious, they just invited pro-Brexit.
	It's the obvious question.
	Pro-Remainers.
	Although they never probably, because we were not aware then, they were never probably asking enough questions.
	Even then, I was thinking, well, they never get to the end of a story.
	You never find out.
	You don't have to say that.
	Things are just dropped headlines and then you never get to the end of that.
	And then people are questioned, and then they'll forgot, it's forgotten, but it's hardly questioned.
	It's all about muddling you, isn't it?
	Yeah, it's all so fake that it's not even worth sort of engaging with their non-arguments.
	I mean, they all tried to make us into experts in export duty or something like that.
	Why should we be?
	Brexit was a very, very simple matter as far as concerned.
	Do we have voting power over our sovereignty over our country?
	Very, very simple matter, or do we turn it over to Brussels and where we don't have a proper vote that means anything?
	Why do I have to get involved with export duty with 2% is added on wine?
	Any government can alter that for our benefit with a bit of negotiation.
	Do they create problems for you to sort of argue with your friends over?
	I remember there was a very early on, I thought, you know, journalism was all very well, but TV is the thing.
	I want to be a TV personality.
	I remember I was asked to do this to participate in this thing the BBC had done, where they'd say which decade was the best for TV.
	Was it the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, or the 90s?
	And I was given a decade, and I can't remember whether I was speaking pro or con.
	And.
	Oh, you're early.
	Well done.
	I'll come and just have a sorry.
	I'll have to miss the end of that range.
	Sorry, can you?
	This is Susanna, who lives at the gatehouse, as James does.
	Hello, Susanna.
	Oh, oh, right.
	I've heard about you.
	You're German.
	I heard about you as well.
	I are Dan and Chris and Katie.
	That's all.
	Well, well, hello.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	How are you?
	Are you nice and warm and cattle?
	I'm all right.
	I'm not done.
	I'm going to die now.
	Well, yeah, that would be embarrassing, wouldn't it?
	Yeah.
	Suddenly croaked.
	What was his name, old friend, Dan?
	Dan Ricks.
	Yeah, Dan.
	Yes.
	You know Dan?
	Of course I do.
	Dan knows lots of people.
	He's lovely.
	Yeah, he is.
	Picking up a puppy today.
	Is it?
	From him?
	Or from somewhere else?
	I don't know where.
	A lovely black Labrador.
	Okay, yeah.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	So we have a wide awake person here.
	You'll be pleased to hear.
	Yes, no, I don't know.
	Most people who come in this house are wide awake.
	I knew that you were going to be wide awake.
	Yes.
	It's because you met at a wide awake thing, didn't you?
	Through the Telegram channels.
	Yeah.
	No, I think you're the second wide-awake German I've spoken to in the last month.
	No, no, the third.
	The third.
	Susanna was the one who told me about MK Ultra coming from Mente Kontro.
	Oh, okay.
	Menten Kontrollen.
	Mention Kontrollen.
	Mention Kontrollen.
	Somebody told me, the German woman at my event in London told me that Elkoenig was actually about child rape by the elites.
	She said they make you learn this poem at school and you think it's all about the Earl King or the Elder King and your Goethe.
	Yeah.
	And then you think it's about, then you learn it's about some childhood disease.
	But you said later on, what Goethe was actually talking about was basically, you know, aristocrats raping To death.
	Which, of course, is world famous through the Schubert setting of this song.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	With the boys running around saying, Father, Father, help me, help me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Someone's chasing me through these woods.
	They're the aristocratic bloodsuckers.
	Yeah.
	Father says, In Duren Bletten, Zeuselt de Wint.
	He says it's just the wind rustling through the dry leaves.
	Got it?
	It's all started in Germany as hell.
	The hell.
	That's right.
	Well, Weishaupt was a German, wasn't he?
	Pardon?
	Adam Weishaupt, who was the founder of the Illuminati.
	Oh, gosh.
	Came out of Bavaria or one of those German states.
	I think the whole nastiness comes.
	Well, I'm told nowadays it comes in Switzerland.
	That's where DARPA is.
	There's loads of evil in Switzerland.
	I mean, you know, Geneva, I think, is the headquarters of.
	And the CERN thing, and the tunnel, with the satanic ceremonies.
	Of course, they dated.
	And the world in the world and something.
	And DARPA.
	But I think Sweden's really bad.
	England's really bad.
	There's not many places.
	Nothing is good, really.
	Italy's where all the kind of the nobility live.
	So America obviously is evil.
	Obviously.
	Australia is just a kind of satellite of evil.
	Kiwiland, satellite of evil.
	China, obviously that's evil.
	Where is NICE?
	There's nowhere.
	What are they setting up in two places?
	One Ukraine and the other in Darkest Africa.
	I've heard a rumour that Blair, God, these rumours.
	Blair, the Clintons, all these sort of crap people, are buying vast tracks in a particular country in the second, in the center of Africa.
	But they're also said to be buying up parts of the Ukraine to set up.
	Nothing would surprise me, these things.
	I hope they get confounded in their evil out.
	You can start doing your first template.
	No, no, no, that's not.

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