The Delingpod - James Delingpole - The Waugh Tapes, Part 2

Aug. 16, 2025 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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The Waugh Tapes, Part 2

Notes: In July 2024, shortly before he died of cancer, I paid a last visit to the Somerset home of my wonderful friend Alexander Waugh. Alexander was one of the kindest, most generous, most talented and intellectually curious friends it has ever been my privilege to know. His rich and varied career included stints as a musician, concert promoter, author, keeper of the Waugh (Evelyn was his grandfather) family archives and researcher into the Shakespearean authorship question. (He thought it was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford). Though he was in some discomfort, he died a happy man, lovingly cared for at home by his devoted wife Eliza. I haven’t listened to these recordings we made since. They’ve been sitting on my iPhone and the only reason I didn’t release them earlier was inertia. They also feature our friend Bob Moran. We talk about God, music, death, everything.↓ ↓ ↓ The official website of James Delingpole:https://jamesdelingpole.co.uk

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	It's just kind of thrown in there like everybody just wants to throw in the word gnostic they know what it means.
	I've seen so many different definitions.
	Gnostic simply comes from the Greek for knowledge and it's the belief at its absolute fundamental bottom level that the more knowledge you have the closer you can come to God because you can only have knowledge of existent things and existent things are created by God or you can have knowledge of spiritual things.
	Again, it all comes from God.
	But now we've got this idea that Gnostics, you know, because some Gnostics, I'm sure there were some Gnostics who tried to reason.
	It's all back to the problem of good and evil.
	If there's evil in the world, that can't be God's fault because God is all good.
	That's platform number one for Gnostics.
	Therefore, where does the evil come from?
	Oh, I know, there's a second God.
	There's some sort of demiurge.
	And then everybody starts saying they're worshipping the devil.
	But it's just unfair.
	We need to be historical about this.
	Just don't say Gnostic if you're not quite sure what you mean.
	So you don't think that you have to believe in the demiurge to be a Gnostic?
	Of course not.
	But you do have to believe that there is evil in the world because there is.
	course.
	Do you want me to do, I'll try and do Psalm 82.
	Yes, please.
	Are you going to do it by heart?
	Yeah, I'm going to try.
	Go for it.
	Wait a second, because it's wrong as a fact first.
	It is a good psalm.
	God standeth in the congregation of princes.
	He is a judge among gods.
	How long will you give wrong judgment?
	judgments?
	Accept the persons of the ungodly?
	Defend the poor and fatherless, see that such are as in need and necessity have right.
	Deliver the outcast and poor, save them from the hand of the ungodly.
	They will not be learned nor understand, but walk on still in darkness.
	All the foundations of the earth are out of course.
	I have said, ye are gods, and ye are all the children of the most highest, but ye shall die like men and fall like one of the princes.
	Arise, O God, and judge thou the earth, for thou shalt take all heathen to thine inheritance so it's quite it's quite sketchy and you've got that odd bit where where it goes from how long will you give wrong judgments except the person is the ungodly and i'm sorry to say it's bang on message but it's absolutely exactly what jesus is saying love one you should die like men and fall like one of the princes but he's talking to those who do not acknowledge what it means to have god properly within
	them it's addressed it is addressed to the to the fallen members of the divine council you see so so so what happened is that when god god had favourites you know he had the children of Israel.
	They were his favorites.
	And when there came a point, I think it was after the Tower of Babel, they were the ones to deliver the message.
	After the Tower of Babel, the different sections of the world were put in charges, under the charge of junior members of the divine council.
	The prince of Persia, for example, who appears in Daniel.
	And this psalm is God saying to these angels, these fallen angels or whatever, these demicodes, these princes, you've made a.
	really shit job of running your patch.
	Well, of understanding yourselves.
	You've been useless.
	You've let bad people thrive and stuff.
	So it's over for you.
	Yeah.
	That's the divine counsel story.
	Yes, but James, this is bang on message of what Jesus is saying.
	If you are what I am, which is called a Christian anarchist.
	This is exactly what Jesus is saying.
	This is wholly prophetic and correct.
	He's saying you're not seeing that you've got the divine within you and that your job is to do no harm and to do the good to the people and do the right things and serve the will of God.
	It couldn't be clearer that psalm in my view and it couldn't be closer to Jesus' message.
	But the confusion and this is where I think people like you are where you're standing right now, is he talks about gods in the plural.
	That doesn't confuse me one little bit.
	And that he says he's essentially saying you should have risen to what Jesus would call the Son of Man had you acknowledged this truth that is within you.
	Do you want just to say that psalm all again, having heard my boring lecture?
	I say it again, yeah, okay.
	Just say it again.
	And with that in mind.
	God standeth in the congregation of princes he is a judge among gods how long will ye will ye give wrong judgments accept the persons of the ungodly defend the poor and fatherless see that such are is such are as in need such as are in need and necessity have right deliver the poor and fatherless so deliver the outcast and poor Save them from the hands of the ungodly.
	They will not be learned nor understand, but walk on still in darkness.
	All the foundations of the earth are out of course.
	I have said, ye are gods, and ye are all the children of the most highest, but ye shall die like men and fall like one of the princes.
	Arise, O God, and judge thou the earth, for thou shalt take all heathen to thine inheritance.
	Do you get it now?
	Yeah, well, I do.
	I see it works on you.
	You're not pretending there are gods.
	You are potential gods in front of you.
	You are not acknowledging it.
	You're not doing the will of God, which is to help other people and help the poor and help the sick and help everyone else.
	Therefore, you will be cast into darkness and you will not inherit the eternal life.
	That is absolute target, central, Jesus' message.
	Yeah.
	I'm not really here.
	I've just come to drop some shopping.
	That was very good.
	Very good.
	But you got a free salmon out of it.
	It was blooming good.
	I'm Alexander's sister, Sophia.
	Hi.
	This is Sophie.
	This is James Denningpol.
	This is Bob Moran.
	Hello.
	Brilliant cartoonist, brilliant writer.
	This is more something you're doing.
	This is not for me.
	This is from Polly Malotte.
	This is my sister.
	She's also brought some more bed covers which I've given to Alice.
	Oh, you're so sweet.
	I'll go because you've got further away visitors, but I just want to know.
	We're on Planet X. Rather than Planet Earth.
	I don't care about smoking, but should we open the window?
	or do you think it's okay?
	I don't mind.
	I'm very happy.
	But I don't want to keep all these people prisoner.
	No, you don't want to.
	You don't actually want to.
	You just have to push it very hard.
	Don't worry.
	Oh, no.
	You have to move the cushion as well.
	Don't worry.
	Don't worry about anything, please.
	No, it's lovely.
	You're quite right.
	I just like a bit of air through the smoke.
	No.
	I think so.
	I'm all right.
	I'm really happy.
	I'm conscious I don't want to keep anyone.
	I've now heard that new conspiracy theory that smoking is good for you.
	It's only the filter that's actually good.
	That's why all the young people smoke roll-ups.
	Yeah.
	Have you got a roll-up there?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I've started smoking with the adjective free.
	And although it's very dry, it's so much nicer.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think that the reason smoking is good for you and I think the reason they don't want us to do it is it protects you from EMF.
	EMF.
	Electromagnetic frequency.
	I've come into that kind of meeting.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We've all got members of our family who haven't quite woken up yet.
	Sure.
	You're not just in that kind of meeting, you're in the epicentre.
	You are.
	You are.
	If this were an Illuminati pyramid, you would be talking with the eye.
	The eye.
	The eye.
	I'll leave you to your epicenter of math.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, that's right.
	I'll come.
	It's only because I was coming to drop the stuff off anyway.
	Whoops.
	I will come maybe tomorrow after school to see...
	No, actually, tomorrow I've got bloody, bloody, bloody open evening.
	Okay.
	We'll work it out.
	And then Saturday I'm going for morning.
	I could come on Saturday morning.
	I'm going to see Constance on...
	That'll be lovely.
	And that'll be nice to meet you on your epicenter.
	We're saving the world.
	We just relax.
	We'll take down the 5G master.
	We'll bother, don't worry.
	she's very sweet, Sophie, but she's pretty slow.
	Who's your other sister?
	Daisy.
	Daisy.
	Right, so Daisy wrote that book.
	Now, Daisy's solution to the problem, she's awake.
	Daisy's solution to the problem is we all laugh.
	So she's written this novel that this one you've got in your hand that nobody wants to publish because she's now been cancelled.
	Which is about a guy who finds this ointment.
	You put the ointment on it gets you laughing and people laugh and laugh more and more at anything to the point that the government, Kiyosh Darma and all this, putting out these immensely pompous statements about how they're going to mend the world, just everybody laughs.
	So they have to put out a law prohibiting laughter because it's the one thing they can't bear.
	I looked in the Bible actually, it's funny, the Bible doesn't Well, the Bible uses the phrase laugh to scorn a lot.
	Doesn't use the word laughing because something's funny.
	I think the Orientals like to laugh because they feel embarrassed.
	I think we laugh when we see an incongruity between one thing and another.
	Well, you know a lot more about this than I do.
	The Lord shall laugh him to scorn.
	seen that his day is coming.
	For his scene?
	It goes...
	Uh...
	The Lord shall laugh him to scorn for he hath seen that his day is coming.
	Good.
	But I'm so happy now that you knew 82 by heart.
	I forgot it was one of your canon.
	Because honestly, when you read it to me, it was as clear as crystal.
	And before I knew of 82, and I knew he used the plural gods.
	So in my way of looking at things, again, it's not ungodly.
	to say you are part of God.
	Coming back to that.
	Elohim, yeah.
	The idea of this is the fallen angels who God appointed as rulers of certain parts of earth over people.
	So he casts them out of heaven but then gives them this response.
	Yes, which is bizarre.
	really bizarre.
	Yeah.
	There's, there's, there's so much weird stuff going on in the old Testament and so many, so much has been obscured by translations where, where people have,
	this is what Heiser says that they've skirted over it because they find it difficult and they don't want to deal with the idea that there's not just God there's also these other gods with a small g and he says no it's meant to be this is not a mistranslation it's specific was this given as an opportunity to redeem themselves potentially?
	it's not explained but it is explained by Jesus you do redeem yourself by acknowledging this and acknowledging that you are part of it and part of the eternal life and that your business on this earth is to serve God's will and that that's exactly what both of you are doing you're serving god's will it's absolutely obvious to me why it's nice It's obvious.
	It's nice not to be a badie.
	No, but you yourself had said that you believed you were put here from God.
	Yeah, yeah, I was.
	And that you were chosen to do what you're doing at your own peril, at your own cost.
	So you've done precisely what Jesus is asking.
	Yes, but I have to say, you know that scene where Jesus, as he gets closer to Jerusalem and he says, do I really have to go through this, God?
	do I really?
	It's not like, it's not.
	And Jonah and all those people.
	Yeah, it's not...
	This is tough.
	I'd much rather live in a normal world before, you know, to have lived and died in a world where I'm not sure what period it would have been where one could have lived without war and there was a sort of goal, say maybe from 1818, let's say you were born in 1830, so you wouldn't have got the First World War.
	Well, you've got this colonization which is a strange period of lots and lots of people coming dying even if not from war but from cholera.
	I mean the vast numbers of people in the 19th century whose brothers went out or sisters or fathers went out to India and never made it through disease and that's certainly true.
	That wouldn't have been fun.
	I mean, Edward in England always seems quite nice to me.
	Yeah.
	Just before.
	Just before, but then you'd have got the First War and it would have blown it all away.
	Either you'd have been in the trenches or you'd have had sons in the trenches.
	Yes.
	That's the problem.
	I always think I'd like to live in the railway children, basically.
	Well, the tax rate was much lower.
	Yeah.
	And it's got to be a good thing.
	Freedom has to come very high up.
	Were we free?
	How free were we in comparison?
	But it comes back to this thing, that people still don't want to accept that the system that's existed for a very long time was always supposed to facilitate all of this, is where it was always heading.
	That was the most difficult thing for me and I think lots of other people.
	When all of this began and you're going through this period, Work your way down the layers of why are they doing it?
	Why are they doing it?
	But all the time you're clinging to this idea that what we're trying to accomplish here is to go back to where we were before this started, to normal.
	And everyone was using that phrase, well, we just want to go back to normal.
	That's all we're asking for.
	We have to get back to normal.
	And then you reach that crucial point where you realize that normal was the problem.
	normal was what facilitated the whole thing.
	Normal was So we absolutely cannot go backwards.
	We have to create something entirely new and abandon that old system completely, but that you then realise that that's a monumental task and it can't really be accomplished until we've gone through what they're doing.
	Just to a certain degree.
	And enough people have become aware that we can't go back to what they perceived as normal before.
	When did that happen?
	That happened specifically with me when Boris Johnson stood up and said to the nation, it'll only take a fortnight, I can't remember the exact amount of time, to flatten the curve.
	Do you remember the flattening curve?
	He said it'll take a fortnight.
	And within, it definitely was within one month, it was within three weeks of that, he said there will be no new normal.
	So how could you reconcile those two remarks?
	We'll just be a few weeks till we flatten the curve, but there will be no new normal.
	I knew that there was a scam, a massive scam was going on.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, for me, it was when they brought the masks in the summer which was the exact point when I knew this is their if this is a mistake if they don't want this to continue and permanently change things this is their perfect opportunity to just move everybody on stop the whole thing and get away with it essentially say oh well you know you know maybe we overreacted slightly but it's gone now it's summer it's not you know we can do away with it all and
	they did the opposite and they brought in the masks and got everyone wearing them straight away and you know like James points out appeared to have all the signs ready in warehouses everywhere to just put out yeah at a week's notice That was so weird.
	This is planned and this is meant to change things forever.
	That's the whole point.
	Yes.
	And internationally.
	And I remember a lot of Normans saying to me, oh come on Alexander, this can't be a mistake.
	They must know, because they're doing the same in France, they're doing it in Canada, they're doing it everywhere.
	Obviously it's worldwide wisdom and common sense to be doing what they're doing if everyone's agreeing in the world.
	Yes, Steve.
	Yes, exactly.
	It's interesting.
	Really.
	Yeah.
	But I must have known, yeah, this is my God's plan theory,
	For example, sitting at school speech days and sort of nodding sagely at the sort of the the sort of grown-up shite that the person was saying and being like a grown-up and I was thinking I just don't want to sit in my chair or or having to take seriously things like the Oxford Union and stuff and all the games that people play and
	which were taught as part of growing up and accommodating yourself to being a grown-up in the grown-up world.
	And I realized, no.
	What they're actually doing, all these people, and I only realize it now, is that they are preparing themselves to become part of this deeply corrupt system.
	And I still got these sort of mini shocks.
	So one of my friends at Christchurch was Kate Bingham.
	Kate Bingham was in the year above me.
	And she's a poor liner, jolly hockey sticks, just super capable.
	And we later got to know her because we used to take a house in Wales for two weeks every year.
	And they were in the next valley.
	So we went to have dinner with Kate and her husband, Jesse Norman, the MP.
	And her boys were at school with Ivo.
	And we rode her horses.
	And she'd rustle up a fantastic dinner.
	Great.
	Good old Kate.
	Energy.
	And Kate, of course, was doing very well in pharma.
	And she got given the job of some job involved with the vaccine rollout.
	Lately in government.
	And early on, she said, well, I think that this should not be given to children or something similar.
	And pregnant women.
	Yeah.
	And then later, she relented.
	And, you know, she sort of suddenly started changing her tune.
	Anyway, I went to a Gordie.
	And there was Kate.
	And I started chatting.
	I said, Kate, you know, this, this, this, this, like vaccine shit.
	What, what's going on here?
	And I was thinking, she said, yeah, I know.
	It's just like, I don't know, James.
	Sort of.
	Yeah.
	I thought she'd talk to me as a friend.
	And.
	So she was uncomfortable by it.
	No, she just, it was as if, as if, as if I, what are you talking about?
	You should, you should get the vaccine.
	You have another vaccine.
	I would, I would very much recommend a person of your age to, to get the vaccine.
	And particularly with your, your, your past health issues to do with Lyme disease and stuff.
	And, and, and I was thinking, I'm talking to an automaton.
	How can it, how?
	I'll try and get it to you.
	It's absolutely essential.
	of all world leaders all lined up.
	They're looking at this tower and the tower is talking to them with a voice.
	Boris is there, Rutter, the whole lot of them, Biden's there.
	And they turn, and they now turn towards the tower, and they turn, and the tower tells them what to do.
	I'll show you the video.
	But more than that, they've been very much...
	I was at a party with a guy and his girlfriend, and we were having a lovely conversation.
	We were standing, and we were just talking about this at the end of the day.
	His job was an editor on a BBC...
	What's it called, the very famous BBC radio programme every morning?
	Yeah, I think it's Today.
	Today programme.
	He's an editor on the Today programme.
	And this was a couple of years ago, so it was in the middle of all this crisis.
	And I said to them, you keep saying all these vaccines are good, but you never had a proper debate.
	And he started getting a bit windy, and we were very happy, we were talking away.
	I said, for instance, why haven't you had Luc Montagnier on?
	Now, Luc Montagnier won a Nobel Prize for virology, and he was upstanding, saying these vaccines are very, very dangerous.
	The guy's face completely changed colour.
	I said, just for debate, I'm not saying to say what's right and wrong, just have the two sides, to give two sides of this.
	face completely changed and he just turned away from me and walked away we've been talking happily for 20 minutes And it's like this totally normal, intelligent, humorous guy.
	I triggered some word in him and he just blanched and he just walked away from me it was the most extraordinary thing and I said that man's mind has been tampered yeah it's not a natural reaction to somebody you've been having a conversation with you can tell it's very articulate totally weird because we've all met you still haven't told me your Orsini story I want to hear the Orsini but
	I've been to dinner a dinner party with someone somebody from the committee of 300 who sat next to Tiffany and had a lovely chat with him.
	She really liked him, but he kept giving me friendly looks.
	I was at school with Chris Whitty.
	I was mates with David Cameron and Boris Johnson.
	I was, I mean, I know all these people.
	I've hung out with these people.
	I've met the dark rulers of this world.
	And they're very entertaining company.
	I mean that's the thing that they're not Good.
	That's the thing.
	It's weird, isn't it?
	That you can have great conversations with these people.
	Well, can you have profound ones as well?
	No, you probably can't have profound ones.
	You certainly can't with Boris Johnson, who is completely, he's all bluff, he's all bluff in both sense of the word.
	But, saying earlier, I think you can go quite some way up the ladder of power and influence and find people who aren't necessarily acting in the full knowledge of the agenda and what it's all about.
	They are aware, I think, a lot of them are aware at some deep level what they're doing is wrong, is wicked, but something has convinced them it's for some greater good or that if they don't do it humanity's doomed or whatever which is probably why you can still have conversations with them and they seem vaguely human and normal but but the brainwash doesn't often realise they're brainwashed we heard all these stories of Theresa May and
	people going off to Brussels and being held right till 4.30 in the morning they wouldn't end the meetings this is all a way of brainwashing people and we talk about the Beatles MK Ultra yeah that's true you're right the Brexit negotiations that were all done at weird hours in all of Europe.
	Brainwashed.
	People just give up.
	Well, sleep deprivation is the most effective tool if you want to brainwash people.
	Although we haven't...
	The things they discovered.
	The thing is, what's often missing from these conversations, because it's just such a bizarre thing, is the satanic ritual abuse and adrenochrome element, which is...
	That's, yes.
	But they've all done it.
	That's the problem.
	Well, are they all?
	Boris definitely.
	Yeah, yeah, I think they all have.
	David Cameron, yes, he did the same thing.
	They all have.
	One of the big shocks for me was realising, for example, that it's not just Obama who was married to a man, also George Bush Sr., Barbara Bush is a man.
	And that Nancy...
	The one that shocked me was the Reagans.
	I'd always thought of, you know, Ronnie Reagan as being the kind of, the amiable, wisecracking, good guy president.
	But he was just as much involved in the drug dealing, the deep stage, Iran-Contra, obviously.
	But also...
	The Nancy Reagan, man.
	But also, no, not necessarily, but definitely involved in the...
	They're all involved in the child sexual abuse, ritual abuse thing.
	Ronnie Reagan.
	Yeah.
	Margaret Thatcher?
	Probably.
	Because, just because...
	Sheer man?
	You know about the Order of Melchizedek?
	Sounds biblical.
	Now you wouldn't wear purple with pearls by accident.
	You Google purple with pearls famous women you'll see Oprah Winfrey, Margaret Thatcher, the Queen obviously, Nancy Reagan.
	These people have all, I mean I got this testimony if it is to be believed from somebody called Jessie Sabota.
	was a mother of darkness.
	She was selected from birth to...
	You know, don't you, that you weren't allowed to wear purple?
	unless you were a priest according to the Old Testament.
	Because the purple was quite rare.
	Very rare.
	And then there was in the Tudor types, there was a law saying only marquesses or higher up or earls or marquesses were allowed to wear purple or royals.
	So purple has always been protected, well, has long been protected, not now of course, as a colour for people either in very, very high office or as you're pointing out in some sort of secret.
	Roman Emperors.
	That's right, yeah.
	But I, the ritual.
	stuff was interesting and I think this is probably true in public and in private too.
	I was talking about with somebody about the opening ceremonies of the Olympic stuff and when they have the giant ball or the 2012 thing.
	Is that just the ballroom?
	Eurovision, yes.
	It's just a bull from Birmingham.
	It's nothing to do with...
	you know Eurovision is the same thing now but I just was remarking on They make it seem very tacky and naff and weird to most of the people watching.
	And I said the majority of people are predisposed to notice naffness first and comment on the fact that something is tacky or a bit weird or doesn't quite make any sense before they would ever consider there was any meaning behind it.
	Which is very clever the way they do that.
	They make it seem like it's just random fun.
	Some totally insane, drugged up art director has just gone wild here and put all this random stuff in.
	The people then don't bother to try and make any connections to the symbolism and what is actually being said.
	Which is partly because they haven't been educated.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	to read the Bible and these ancient things.
	I think that the way it works is in the same way everyone thinks that they're immune to advertising.
	Everyone thinks that, yeah, I don't, I don't, I just have the adverts on.
	I don't pay any attention to them.
	Yeah.
	Yet I can sing even now the jingles from adverts that from my childhood.
	And they're not...
	Your conscious is going, yeah, just a stupid jingle.
	But your subconscious, which is what it's working on is very different.
	And your subconscious is unfortunately the boss, you just don't know it.
	That's what sort of forms your biases and your inclinations.
	That's true, I'm not saying that that's, You know, this is mad.
	what are we doing?
	Their subconscious was then totally prepared to get on board with what started in 2020, because that's what that opening ceremony did to, Yeah.
	I mean it was a genius of Edward Bernays to to to
	which would, which would, how to, how to brainwash the populace.
	What was it?
	No, what were you looking about?
	There was a...
	Essentially, you use kind of magic, but really.
	it's ceremony, it's drugs, whether it's alcohol or stuff, it's how you do mass mind control.
	Right.
	And there was somewhere in the Middle East that specialized in this.
	The name will come back to me.
	So there's a guru.
	There was a country that did it.
	Country that did it?
	Yeah.
	That specialized in this.
	In the Middle East.
	Isn't that a name?
	It's a name you'll have heard of, but I can't remember.
	One of the ancient...
	in the ancient world.
	And it's probably got some...
	Do you know what MKUltra stands for?
	I don't know what MK...
	Well, I have a German nurse here who comes and strats me up to lots of medicines.
	She says it's German and it's Mentum Controlem.
	Oh, okay.
	And it was imported from the Germans.
	It's mind control.
	They imported a lot after the war, didn't they?
	The Americans.
	Yes.
	Yeah, the Americans.
	Makes sense, doesn't it?
	All of the Nazis knowledge of propaganda and mind control.
	Yeah.
	MKUltra is now called Mork.
	Well, MKUltra, yes, it's the CIA...
	Mine control business that was going on particularly through the 60s, but then it became a bit of a scandal.
	But it seems to have been directly inherited from the Germans after the Second World War.
	But a lot of it originates apparently from the Jesuits and what they discovered torturing people.
	for years.
	Oh.
	And because one of the things that they discovered was that if you just inflict pain on somebody relentlessly, you break them to a certain extent, but they will...
	A lot of people won't break that way.
	They will, in fact, go into themselves and find solace and just connect with God.
	Right.
	To really break somebody down, you have to torture them while offering them love at the same time and build a relationship and trust with that person so you're constantly giving them something and they...
	then taking it away again.
	And if you do that for long enough, because their brain can't hold those two ideas at the same time, that's how you break people.
	That's what the Jesuits discovered, apparently.
	Which is exactly what you see, you saw happening throughout all of this.
	The way that we would be constantly told, you know, it's only two weeks, or actually it'll be six months, or once you've done this, it'll be released.
	Oh, it's only the old people who need to be vaccinated, then you'll be free.
	They were constantly offering us the carrot all the time.
	Absolutely.
	And the whole time saying we're doing this because we love you, we're your government, we're trying to look after you, while killing and poisoning everybody.
	that was the way to really break people.
	So true.
	And the creation of characters like Captain Tom.
	Yeah.
	the love of Captain Tom Yeah.
	And I heard, I've read a bit about cults, you know, when people get trapped in a cult and all their family gets terribly upset and they break off with their family and join one of these cults.
	And there's something called flirty fishing, where a rather sexy girl goes into a bar and sees a lonely man and will, you know, take them and say, let's go home and let's talk a little bit.
	But they bring them into the cult and one thing they won't do is let them sleep.
	And they keep talking to them and they're very sexy.
	And the guy gets all bewildered and says, I really need to go to bed now.
	And the woman says, no, no.
	And they basically won't let you sleep while being a sexy promise.
	So, no, it's flirty fishing.
	And that's the beginning of the breakdown of a man into a cult.
	Yeah.
	Very similar to the...
	Presumably he never actually goes...
	Yeah.
	Hey guys, I don't want to keep you prisoner.
	I have to say that our conversation has been complete and utter bliss.
	I'm so grateful to both for coming round.
	At any time, if you want to go home, and if you want to read your book...
	I'm actually not thinking of myself right now.
	I'm thinking, do you get knackered?
	I get very tired.
	The only thing I'd love quite now is a glass of water.
	Because I'm thinking...
	Because I don't want you not being ready to drink that expensive wine later on.
	I'll be ready.
	Or ready for the disappointment if it doesn't work.
	I'm ready for that too.
	Because I think it's more likely than not that it won't work.
	I've got some experience.
	So, okay.
	So, I'll tell you briefly.
	My...
	Thank you.
	After Oxford, I shared a flat with a guy called Ollie.
	And Ollie and I both went through an oenophile period.
	And I got into Red Burgundy.
	And we ordered this bunch of en primeur Grand Cru Red Burgundy.
	And I've got one bottle left.
	And I've kept it very badly.
	Right.
	And it's almost certainly gone.
	Yeah.
	But if it's a good bottle, it'll be worth a couple of thousand quid.
	mean you couldn't get it pretty much.
	You could often tell if the level sunk a lot.
	That's called Ullage.
	Okay.
	And it may have gone down.
	but less are worried of the most generous thing you've possibly imagined.
	No, but I've been waiting for the chance to...
	I'm looking forward.
	Should I show you the bottle?
	I'm looking forward to seeing.
	I must tell you about this or see anything.
	Oh, you've got to.
	Hey, look, can you write Bob?
	Can you write the name of the book that you originally mentioned?
	I've got it.
	I'll leave it for you.
	Could I borrow it?
	Yeah.
	If I die before I finished it, do remember to call it back from Eliza because it's obviously very precious to you but thank you I'd really love to read it let me read let me read you this bit this is about act about love but love I am come to realise is the supreme deflecting force love unloosens sins unites failure disintegrates the act not by an inconceivable conflict with the
	immutable law of consequence but by deflection for the divine love follows the life and turns and meets it at last and in that meeting deflects so So that which is mortal evil and what is of the mortal law, the act sinks, and on the forehead of the divine law, that which is alone inevitable survives and moves onward in the rhythm that is life.
	When we understand the mystery of redemption, we shall understand what love is.
	The expiatory is an unknown attribute in the divine.
	Expiation is but the earthly burnt offering of that in us that is mortal.
	Redemption, which is the spiritual absorption of the expiation due to others, and the measureless restitution in love of wrong humbly brought to the soul and consumed there so that it issues a living force to meet and deflect is the living witness in that of us which is immortal.
	Those who wrong us do indeed become our saviours.
	It is their expiation that we make ours.
	They must go free of us and when they come again and discrown us then in love we shall be at one and equal.
	So far words may clothe thought, but beyond the soul knows there is no expiation except you redeem yourself there is no God.
	Forgiveness is the dream of little children.
	Beautiful because thus far we see and know that no father.
	Fantastic.
	Bang on.
	Bang on.
	James has just brought in his fossil chamber.
	Chambell Musigny.
	The label has worn away over time.
	Sitting sideways in many cellars.
	It's been everywhere.
	Can you read that?
	Is there something to be read on the very top there?
	It says, Je vais sur le temps.
	Je vais sur le temps.
	Orme Rousseau.
	But let me show it.
	Can you hold it up to the light there?
	It's fantastic.
	There's no allege.
	Really good news.
	So what often happens, particularly with these old burgundies, is the level will drop down to there.
	Oh, I see.
	Which means that oxygen has got in it, and it hasn't happened.
	The cork has held.
	This is the most important point.
	should we should we no just keep it way to open it tonight yeah no but when i'm gonna have a six-hour Six o'clock.
	Fantastic.
	So wonderful.
	Oh, he's a sweet guy, James, isn't he?
	Yeah, he's very sweet.
	Such a nice nature.
	Oh, God.
	So what can I say?
	I'm very, very honoured that you both came.
	I think some of the things that were said, God, I wish all three of us had said them a lifetime ago.
	Yes.
	But isn't it interesting how we've all come by our different paths?
	And we seem to be hitting the same targets.
	Yeah.
	The same platform.
	And all three of us come from this mainstream media machine.
	That's odd, isn't it?
	Interesting, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Isn't that strange?
	I suppose.
	I know.
	It's funny, I was thinking on my way here, when I first started in my first few weeks of Telegraph, one of the editors mentioned something about Scoop.
	I said, I've never read Scoop.
	He said, God, you have to read Scoop.
	Yeah.
	He lent me his copy.
	Yeah.
	To read.
	Yeah.
	I thought, isn't it funny that I'm in there?
	Of course, Evelyn Moore was a truth lover.
	He couldn't bear lies.
	He said, I don't understand them.
	I just don't get them.
	On the other hand, rather like me with my newly grown horns, he was a great worshipper of Jesuits.
	Father Caraman was one of his great friends and, you know, he became a Catholic through this man called Father Darcy, also a Jesuit.
	And clearly the Jesuits wanted to work on him because he was a famous writer, as they do.
	But you couldn't really...
	So I think he was a very hard nut to crack in the sense that you'll never find him towing the party line i mean he will always laugh at the party and then not only that there was a wish to join these awful parties You know, at school he wanted to be part of the school system, he wanted to be part of the rugby team or whatever.
	university he wanted to be part of the oxford union when the war broke out he wanted to be part of the army never ever could he fit he was always repudiated see that's that's my story as well yeah exactly that yeah that's what happened well because they can spot you they can tell you that you're not you haven't got because you won't be mk altered yeah yeah because all of these things are deliberately set up to be ludicrous to anyone
	who's analyzing them properly and it
	doesn't mean you don't want to take part and you're curious about what it's like, but I think they can spot the people who don't pretend that they're they aren't absurd yes it's because it's all a test it's not that's not to say everyone running all these societies knows that that's what it's there to do they don't obviously but at a higher level a system has been designed that's essentially it's a filtration device isn't it it is it totally is it totally
	is well of course the freemasons have rigid ways of preventing people from joining the freemasonry who think they can join it because they're going to be part of the club who are going to be part of something or people who pretend to be freemasons, all these secret handshakes and things like that.
	I remember I was invited by a Chinaman to sit on a board of a FTSE 3250 company and I went to the Beefsteak Club which is a club which you might say is pretty well part of sort of inner circles, politicians, journalists, things like that.
	I was a member in those days and I was talking to some people, I'd explained this and I'd been invited to an interview.
	And at that interview was going to be the ex-Prime Minister of Pakistan, the ex-head of the HLC bank, whatever.
	And I said, what shall I do?
	And I'll never forget a man, very slimy man in a suit obviously very much part of the establishment came up behind me and put his hands on my shoulders and said don't worry you'll never get the job of being this of being this director of this company right and funny enough I did get the job and he knew you did he this person he know he was listening to the conversation
	It was very strange.
	Very strange.
	What a creepy...
	Isn't it?
	Really, really weird thing to do.
	Anyway, then I did get the job and realized the whole thing was a complete sham.
	No, you were brilliant.
	I love that story.
	I think that's very strange.
	You spotted they're all being ripped off because of your original mind.
	The whole lot were totally being ripped off and we were all being treated like the slave class.
	You know, they listen and say, oh yeah, yeah, they don't do anything anyway.
	They don't do anything proper.
	Anyway, my proposal now is I'm going to go to sleep.
	Has Eliza shown you your bedroom?
	No.
	Will you ask her to?
	I don't know if you want to rest there, but I know you probably want to do some of your shopping stuff and all that.
	I mean, you know what?
	Before we move on to death, I wanted to ask you a question.
	Am I right to reverence Bach above Mozart and Beethoven?
	I group them slightly differently.
	So Bach and Mozart go together.
	Oh, yeah.
	And Beethoven and Handel go together.
	And the reason for that is that both Beethoven and Handel wear their hearts on their sleeves.
	So if you want emotion out of music, that's to say the sheer.
	joy of happiness, the sheer anger of rage.
	You would go to Beethoven and you would go to Handel.
	But all these great artists are talking to the divide and they're wholly aware of it.
	With Mozart and Bach, they're slightly more cerebral.
	I irritate people by being very musical and looking rather despising Mozart.
	I don't mean that in the wrong way.
	He's clearly an absolute genius.
	But his orchestration isn't terribly good until he gets to the end.
	I mean his last symphony, number 41 is an absolute tremendous example of orchestration.
	But on the whole he orchestrates badly and weakly and his divinity is coming from other sources.
	Handel, who has a very, very small orchestra, often just nothing but strings, is a complete genius at orchestration.
	So you'll listen to Handelaria, quite often that will be in Italian.
	you don't really know what he's saying and listen to what the orchestra is doing it's not really the fact that he has this great array of oboes and horns and he's colouring things like Maurice Ravel and someone like that.
	But what he's doing with his very small forces is completely remarkable and that's where the concentration goes and that the melody is on top.
	So all I'm really able to give you there is my own sense of favorites and that I lived all of my life in favor of the emotion on the sleeve, that's the Beethoven and the handle.
	And in my late years as I'm facing death very closely, I've slightly shifted towards the Mozart and the Bach.
	So Bach is your top pick for dying?
	Well, I was absolutely fascinated by Bach being his own top pick for dying, for lying on his deathbed and pulling out the art of fugue that was something he had started about 10 years earlier and deciding he wanted to finish that on his deathbed.
	Do you think we should have it again?
	Yes, I can put some of it on now.
	I don't know if you can get the beginning of it here.
	He begins it in this most extraordinary way.
	Let's put that?
	A cat padding into a room.
	And now the same tune, a fifth higher, and it comes with another instrument.
	And now the cello comes in, same tune.
	So soft.
	so it's a few very simple notes and in comes another meticulous Now, nobody told us to play that on those instruments.
	Bach didn't tell us to do that.
	What do you mean?
	Bach does not instruct us how to play this piece.
	He just writes the notes.
	He doesn't say this should be played by a viola.
	This must be played by a violin.
	So nobody knows how this was meant to be played.
	So did he just write it as an exercise in the art of fugue to be read by future geniuses like Mozart and Beethoven who all had copies in their library.
	Or did he want us to play this on the harpsichord?
	Does it fit on the harpsichord?
	These people who are playing it on this record specially made a viola that could play four notes lower in order to be able to play this piece.
	My view is they've perfected it.
	Isn't it beautiful?
	I've got to get this.
	You've got to get this recording.
	Yeah.
	It's by the Juilliard String Quartet Quartet on the Sony.
	But so I learnt that Shakespeare had been talking about this fourth element that was concealed within the Trinity.
	I think I spoke to you about it yesterday.
	And this fourth element are the four elements, the ancient elements, earth, air, wind, and fire.
	The idea that God is inseparable from his creation.
	And therefore, he involves everything that was created, all the elements, all the material world, including ourselves and our minds, are part of the Godhead.
	Then, this is the strange thing.
	I had this near-death experience when I was in a very, very acute pain.
	And the next day my daughter came to me, my eldest daughter, and said, Can you get me some music?
	And I used to be a record critic for the Standard in various places.
	So I have literally thousands.
	of CDs in this house.
	And I said to my daughter, can you go to the CD cabinet and get me something?
	I don't particularly want it to be vocal, could it be instrumental?
	And maybe baroque.
	Anyway, she went and she pulled out this record out of the thousands and thousands and thousands of records.
	And I put it on.
	And I must have played it a thousand times since I've been lying in this bed supin'dive.
	And I can't tire of it.
	And then I read the sleeve notes, which are very well written, actually, about how Bach was in his death bed.
	He called for this manuscript to come back.
	He wanted to finish it.
	And on this recording he dies, you know exactly where he dies the music just suddenly stops and his son he'd left some instructions to his son who was also very musical saying that he planned this work in 14 fugues and the last fugue was going to be this great treble fugue with a hidden fourth part in it so that was precisely what Shakespeare was thinking of in the dedication to the sonnets that hidden fourth part That
	precisely what John Dee was saying when he said the quaternary is concealed within the turner.
	And that fourth part had Bach's name hidden upside down inside it, because you could write musically the name Bach, B-A-C-H, when you know that a B is a B natural.
	And A-C-H, so it's da-dee-da, dee-da, so he could write a fugue on that.
	So the coincidence of that was, again, absolutely enormous to him.
	That there are these pukes, people now you can call them proto freemasons you can call whatever they want who are carrying this secret through the ages right back to ancient Egypt and ancient knowledge.
	What is the implication of this when you know this?
	The implication for me is that we is that there was a real need to preserve a sacred knowledge between God and humanity that at some point in our history was in grave danger of disappearing.
	Maybe as we entered a new age, we're being told now we're entering the age a new age and again there's efforts to obliterate knowledge going on right now and there need to be people who can save this knowledge and they need to be less secretive I don't see the need for all this secretiveness anymore we need to open up and that means we need to stop being frightened of the words gnostic
	we need to stop thinking that everything is evil, that everything is bad.
	We need to come together as a collective of people who really understand truth and honesty and goodness and above all that means closeness to God.
	So this is where I speak very frankly to you, James, because I worry about the knee-jerk sharkling reactions to wanting to say everybody and everything is.
	is on the bad side.
	I think we've got to open now.
	There's so much good and there's so much good among those Sharklings.
	Really good.
	They are saviours, but they've got to stop knee jerking.
	They've got to step aside.
	Every single person is a badie and really focus.
	But how do we do that?
	I mean, I'm entirely on your side about.
	I think you went a bit far on Jane Austen, but that's a personal view.
	I was teasing about Jane Austen.
	I don't think Jane Austen is a badie.
	No, I mean, I think she's a stuffy person with a wit of her own.
	I like her book.
	I know I like her book.
	But I'm absolutely certain you're right on Taylor Swift and that sort of stuff.
	Yeah.
	But how can we bring...
	what are the implications of how we live our lives and how we are absolutely massive because we are princes of infinite space just as Helen says we are.
	Because we are part of the whole and we are part of this nothing, we are part of this one and we are part of this all.
	We therefore are individually all that is.
	We actually have control.
	We have the power to change things individually.
	And that's by the force of energy that then moves to this one part which is infinitesimally large and infinitesimally small.
	Now all that really needs is instinct and intellect to understand that and thinking about it.
	Once you've got it, you've got it.
	and you all know it's the case.
	It's frustrating, James, to try to put this into words, but you've come to a point of understanding it.
	One of the ways I came to understand it was not just through this hot light epiphany, but was through reading great minds who understood it, like Tolstoy.
	And they explain it as best as they possibly can.
	And these are men whose life was spent using words.
	That's why I urge.
	anyone to read the Gospels and Brief by Tolstoy.
	One of the things about it is very repetitive.
	It's a repetitive book.
	He comes back and back in the same po point.
	So although it's hard and it's confusing, he gives you lots of chances to understand it.
	And when you get it, you really get it.
	And then you really get Jesus and what Jesus is saying.
	And it's blissful.
	But I know that every single shark king has their favorite book and they will jump forward and say, You must read this book.
	I mean, I've had lots of people presenting me with books which I'm very interested to read.
	Bob gave me one just now, just starting it.
	Someone's just lent me someone about living in the now.
	Which I'm also very interested in because Jesus himself says we must live in the now, we must get out of the future and the present.
	Again, a very tough philosophical idea, but we can do it, we can get there just by thinking hard and understanding it, and my God, it makes sense.
	So what can I say, James?
	We must not despair.
	You're on your death bed, as I am, and actually it's rather exciting because you're being told that you're immortal anyway.
	So yes.
	Good.
	It's gonna be it.
	It's gonna be quite exciting.
	And Shakespeare knows it.
	Edward de Vere understands this.
	He gets it.
	He writes this poem My Mind to Me a Kingdom is.
	Let me turn that down.
	Is that a soda?
	No, it's a longer rhyme with six verses per rhyme, per thing.
	And the basis of it is the same.
	My mind controls everything.
	I don't need to worry about the future.
	I don't need to worry about the past.
	I don't need things.
	I don't need to worry about cash.
	Of course Edward de Vere went broke.
	I'm going to turn this down a bit because I don't think this.
	It's jolly good, isn't it?
	Absolute genius.
	Isn't that dancing?
	I'm definitely going to get it.
	Thank you.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Um, which is my...
	Probably.
	So I can put this in the bowl.
	Into that, into the whole bowl.
	Good.
	If it lists too much yogurt.
	That's good.
	Yes, have lots of fruit.
	I'm not sure as a cancer victim I'm meant to be eating lots of them.
	They said I shouldn't eat sugar.
	Yeah, but I don't think it is.
	Blueberries are quite good for them so far.
	Yeah.
	They're not very good.
	Those are okay.
	I've also been having coffee on the basis that...
	Coffee enemas?
	Now you once introduced...
	Probably as much as possible to do that, but when he's a bit stronger.
	And you have to get over the squeamish because everything comes flowing out.
	Apparently they're probably good.
	Yeah.
	Somebody talks about coffee enemas.
	Sorry, you once introduced me to Clive to Carl, who I know that your listeners know a lot about.
	Who I thought was a very nice chap.
	Yeah.
	But he was very strict.
	And I was rather stupidly seduced by some wicked doctors in Taunton into having a first round of chemotherapy, which I deeply regret.
	And Carl said, very toughly to me today about medication, he said, If you're having chemotherapy, I'm not going to help you.
	Which is fair.
	But he was tough.
	He's a tough guy, as they say, ah, Carl.
	He didn't mince his words.
	And I was asking what sort of things would be helpful to me so I'm not interested now if you're taking chemotherapy great hater of chemo as I am now so anyway I took one dose and got extremely ill yeah and wouldn't take any more of it gave pain to my nails made me very ill terrible pain in my legs another wicked this I believe is morphine.
	So, look, I feel very sorry for the doctors, the cancer doctors.
	Cancer's on the rise, as as you know particularly among young people which is very worrying and I think that's tied to vaccinations and they've got somehow to get through this conveyor belt of people saying I've got cancer I've got cancer I've got cancer and they seem to have a protocol so you put them on the beginning of the conveyor belt telling them I think what you've got to do is start with a little chemo that I
	think there it's deleterious because it's aiming itself at any old cells, killing cells at random, even good cells and cancer cells.
	But anyway, so you go through your chemo and then they say, well, that hasn't worked totally well, has it?
	Now what we're going to do is a little bit of radiotherapy.
	Do you want that one?
	Yes, I'll eat it slowly, I think.
	There's yoga to drink, I've got to spare.
	So then I had this tiny little...
	I sat down on a chair and sneezed.ezing, I felt I fractured one of my bones, One of my ribs.
	So I went to the doctor and said, I've now got cancer, fourth stage in my prostate.
	Can you do something about this?
	They weren't interested at all.
	Well, out of that fracture grew extremely rapidly a tumor.
	And it grew really, really fast.
	Within a month, it was the size of a rugby ball.
	And the doctors in Toronto said, we can't do anything with that.
	It looks like it's gotten enmeshed with your bones, so forget it.
	So I thought, fuck, forget it.
	Sorry my language.
	And I took myself to London and found a surgeon.
	He said, you've absolutely got to do something about this immediately.
	It's entangled with your bones and it's going to really mess up your ribs.
	So I asked him to take it out and he charged £30,000 to remove this thing, which wasn't a long way short of my life savings, which was rather pathetic.
	But we decided to do it.
	So he took it out.
	He said, when I took it out, I discovered you were absolutely correct.
	You've got a fracture in your bone and all your bones are completely mushy.
	And you've got osteoporosis, which funny enough was written on the drug they gave me, the National Health.
	health they hadn't noticed it said great danger of osteoporosis so I ticked off my doctors and said why didn't you read the drug packet before making me take this drug I've now got osteoporosis and they were going to make me into sort of a robot a magical robot by giving me sort of tungsten ribs but they said it was too dangerous to do that and all my ribs would fall apart so they gave me some pig liver and removed them removed all the ribs.
	Next thing is I bumped my head on the top of a camper van.
	And out of that head grew another rapid-growing carcinoma.
	They'd never heard of this type.
	Very rare.
	Again, you're looking at it now, James.
	Yeah.
	It's very large and it's very hot and you would say it looks like BLC pubs horns.
	What a wrong one.
	So that's kind of where I've got.
	I'm not going to spend another £30,000 if I haven't got it.
	So I'm leaving it there and it doesn't really hurt.
	I'm falling to pieces rather rapidly I'm completely paralyzed in my legs down and now I'm paralyzed in my arms so my dear wife has to carry me to the lavatory put me on it wipe my bottom and now my top half's going.
	So if that's for any interest, people like to know what's happening, that's it.
	Otherwise, my brain is sharp, but I'm turning to God very rapidly and God, I'm enjoying it and finding truth.
	And all these things that maybe you and I winced from three years ago, like words like love, are hugely meaningful to me now.
	They're not just soppy, sentimental things that are brought in.
	They're deeply meaningful words.
	And I do love all of humanity now.
	And it's not bogus.
	I haven't burdened myself with it because I've read a book saying you must love all of humanity.
	It's coming right out of my heart because I've realized that all of humanity, including some very wicked people who I know personally, are part of God's scheme and are made by God.
	And we are all one.
	And we are all brothers.
	And that is the message of Jesus.
	Mm.
	Are you still feeling hate in your heart?
	No.
	No, I'm not.
	I've got very little hate in me.
	Actually.
	Interestingly.
	It's hard to hide it, dear.
	I feel sorry for the bad guys.
	Yes.
	I didn't...
	I mean...
	One of the psalms I do every morning, Psalm 139 and there's some lines in it, like, do I not hate them, O God, that hate thee?
	Am I not grieved with those that rise up against me?
	Yea, against thee.
	Yea, I hit them right sore, even as though they were my enemies.
	And when I recite those lines, I'm thinking, well, the psalmist may...
	What they're doing is undoubtedly terrible.
	I mean, it's the acts themselves that are evil.
	I don't think much of the people.
	I don't really...
	They don't wake up every morning and want to chop darts at Bill Gates or anything.
	It's like...
	But Bob told us yesterday he wants to eviscerate.
	Yeah.
	And I said to Bob, but there's love in it, there's love in it too.
	And I think Bob did agree, but he pulled a very funny face which your viewers won't see.
	It was a low blow to say that.
	Who do you think wrote the Psalms?
	Are you...
	That's a...
	I...
	I mean, it's clear to me that whoever wrote them had an in.
	They were, they were visionaries.
	They weren't, they weren't, they weren't, they weren't, you're average.
	J. They were the instrument of God.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Because they're written with such authority.
	Yeah, this person knew, as you say, rather than...
	They...
	If you want...
	James, you and I spoke for a long time yesterday.
	And one of the happiest moments of that, one of the most exciting moments, was when you twice read Psalm 82 by heart and I realized Psalm 82 had been a struggle with me and I realized as you read it the first and the second time it was Baghdad,
	Jesus' message and I was so excited by that moment because I was putting that psalm out saying here's evidence that there was more than one God.
	He talks about gods in the plural but he's saying exactly what I was saying.
	He would say those who don't acknowledge this are the ones who are causing the trouble and if they acknowledge it they go to a high a higher plane.
	It's exactly what Jesus was saying.
	So I really, I love what you're doing with the Psalms.
	I think it was really exciting.
	It's absolutely brilliant.
	I imagine you are going to get through every single one of them in this series.
	I should think so.
	I should think so eventually.
	Yes, it's a weird thing, isn't it?
	Why did I suddenly become the Psalms guy?
	I don't know.
	Why did I...
	What?
	I mean, yeah, there is sort of...
	There is sort of...
	explanations like I'd already started learning poetry so the psalms were a natural progression or development from that but it's one of those things but yeah so I was going to say if you wanted to be cynical about the psalms you would say well they're just wish fulfillment they're just somebody kind of expressing how you would like God to be.
	Yes.
	But to me they're much more than that.
	They are.
	They set out.
	Our relationship with God.
	Yes.
	And it's a good one.
	It's I was very interested in the program you put out quite recently, was it quite recent or was it ages ago?
	On Psalm 22.
	Am I right?
	That's the psalm in which Christ quotes it on the cross as Why do you forsake me?
	My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
	Which shows me a number of things.
	One that Christ was highly educated.
	The Jews say that he was educated in Egypt.
	And as you know, they say he was a bastard of a Roman centurion called Ben Pandira.
	But one thing we do know, and I read a very learned book said that you can tell from the Bible that Jesus actually spoke three languages.
	He wasn't stuck in Aramaic.
	We love to say he was a carpenter.
	I believe the word is technon, and technon actually means that he was an architect.
	He was a higher level of intelligence.
	But then of course architecture is something that is very much built into the idea of freemasonry and the freemasons carrying forward the ancient wisdom of the Egyptians and probably even further beyond right back to Enoch who has held the hand of God.
	We've talked about Freemasons quite a bit and again the knee-jerk reaction of many of your Shark Kings to the evil of the Freemasons which I don't deny.
	I don't deny at the top and Bob was very interesting I felt on the Freemasons and even bringing forward a slightly later date, 1816, about when their evil started lodging in their infiltration.
	But surely all of us have met Freemasons who are at the very bottom level, who are in the local village, who are in the local lodge, who genuinely see it as a charitable club that they've entered, that they give some of them a tenth of their income towards charitable causes, and they have absolutely no knowledge of the absolute criminal behaviour that is going on at the top end of their organization.
	And we must be forgiving to those people.
	Those are the sorts of people who can help us.
	I believe it.
	And the people at the bottom of the churches, people who go to church and don't really understand how absolutely wicked the current Pope is, the current Archbishop of Canterbury.
	I mean, I'm in no doubt that these people are possessed.
	How can we forget when was it Chichester Cathedral open to people having vaccinations and wouldn't open to services or prayer?
	Oh.
	So my call to you and your Sharklings is we come together and be forgiving and understanding of the vast lower levels of these organizations.
	Equally the nurses in the National Health.
	Yes, they were dancing.
	What the hell were they doing dancing?
	At the same time we were told the greatest pandemic in the history of mankind was going to wipe out mankind and we had to have these empty empty hospitals with women dancing in them.
	Yes, that total lack of sensitivity and understanding.
	But we could get to those people, that's my point.
	They're the goodies, they're not baddies.
	Who were the baddies who set up these dances?
	who are trying to make fools of us.
	Yeah, that's a good question, Efty.
	I wonder how it happened.
	But this is where your organization can help.
	I really believe it.
	You've got to pull these sharklings together and stop them knee-jerking.
	I don't think sharklings are going to save the world, but we're a part of it.
	Well, they're a big part.
	They are a big part.
	Don't forget, how many stories have they posted on your website saying, I've spoken to my mother and she completely blanked me and it was very upsetting.
	And then two months later, I've spoken to my mother and she's open about this.
	They're working away and It is working.
	Yeah.
	And it's spreading.
	But time is time's running out.
	I mean, do you do you not?
	Where are you on time?
	The revelation and stuff.
	The biblical revelation?
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	I mean, very suspicious.
	Are we not in end times?
	I'm afraid to say I'm suspicious of that whole book.
	Oh yeah.
	It feels very tacked on.
	Doesn't it do you?
	Well, it's so different from every other book.
	Yes and no.
	I mean, I see a lot of stuff.
	seemingly being fulfilled.
	This is the B system.
	I'm extremely suspicious of 666.
	There is no evil number, it's absolute rubbish.
	666 might be telling us something and I accept that it has been adopted by badies to put the fear of God into everybody.
	But I don't accept it's an evil number.
	It is a number and it's part of every single number that exists.
	It's one of the infinite numbers and it can be used for good.
	I don't think I'm going to use this opportunity to explain a miracle that occurred to me with 666.
	I don't think I can.
	I think people will...
	Should I give it a shot?
	Yeah, I think you should.
	I mean, now having raised it, you can't leave us hanging.
	Okay.
	I'm going to give it a shot.
	My studies have been very, very intense studies on William Shakespeare and the question of whether William Shakespeare was a pseudonym.
	Now at one point a contemporary, this mad contemporary of William Shakespeare called John Dee, writes in one of his books, We must all look up and meditate on the number of our name and find its connection to the Trinity most blessed and holy.
	Now what does he mean by that?
	He means that every name has a number.
	As I've explained to you many times, they believed in those days that when God created the world, he did it using letter and number.
	That if you're a scientist like Bacon, it is your job to look into all things that exist to understand them scientifically, but to understand them by letter and number.
	Now this is an extraordinary fact because we, of course, are now in the digital age when everything is being digitized, which means it's all being turned into number anyway.
	So how prescient was John Dee in 1564 when he wrote this about looking for the number of your name?
	Now a lot of people don't give a shit about the number of their name.
	It's just nonsense.
	But let's try, okay?
	You're called James, so therefore the first number of your name is an I actually because you don't use the English alphabet, you use the Latin.
	John Dee was insistent that you use the ancient languages, only they will count.
	That's ancient Greek, Hebrew, and Latin.
	So if I want to do James, then James is the ninth letter of the Latin alphabet.
	Okay, so you're nine plus one.
	Bloody hell.
	Bloody hell, James.
	You got I am at the beginning of your name.
	Yes, I saw it.
	Now, this is more extraordinary than you think it is.
	This helps me very easily with this conversation.
	So you've got I which is nine, one which is ten, followed by M which is twelve.
	That spells out I am.
	Okay?
	God in Exodus is asked what his name is by Moses.
	He says, I am that I am.
	You tell my people, my name is I am.
	Okay?
	Now, that becomes blasphemous to say I am because you're taking the name of God in vain.
	And that number is twenty two.
	22 yeah are you concentrating what number?
	I am.
	Oh, I see.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I is 22.
	I is 9.
	A is 1.
	That makes 10.
	Am is 12.
	So the number of God's name is 22.
	God tells us that his name is I am.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Now, so God in Exodus says I am is 22.
	So therefore it is blasphemous to call yourself by the name of God.
	If you went swanking around James saying my name is I am I'll tell you some of the sharklings will be at you in five seconds.
	So you are taking the name of God in vain and you are calling yourself God.
	Now I could find only two people in the whole of Renaissance in all my searches who had the audacity to call themselves I am.
	One of them is Edward DeVere, who I believe was Shakespeare, who writes in a letter to Lord Burney, Stop reproaching me, I am that I am.
	The second one is William Shakespeare in Solit one, two, one.
	One, two, one.
	Are you concentrating?
	What's eleven times eleven?
	One, two, one.
	Is one, two, one.
	So he understands the significance of that twenty two.
	And he says, Stop reproaching me, I am that I am.
	So both Shakespeare and Edward de Vere have to say I am that I am.
	They call themselves by the name of God.
	There's one more person I could find, and that is Saint Paul, who we don't either of us like quoting too much.
	But in the letter to the Corinthians he says, Yes, I laboured and I laboured more than they all, but I am that I am, and it was by God's grace that I did this.
	Now this is the same message that Shakespeare writes in his in his dedication to the sonnets.
	These sonnets are all by God and Edward de Vere.
	So he is very aware that his mind is part of God.
	And when Jesus says, Seek first the kingdom of God, first is such an important word everybody ignores.
	The first thing you must do is seek the kingdom of God.
	Where do I seek it?
	Jesus tells you, the kingdom of God is within you.
	You have the mind of God.
	Jesus says it is no robbery to place yourself equal with God.
	So I beg everybody, I literally beg them to listen to what Jesus is saying and stop listening to the church which says he's part of a Godhead which he never said he was.
	He never said it was Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
	And in the letter of John he says it's Father, Spirit and the Word is what the Godhead is.
	So you have a threesome plus this hidden fourth and that hidden fourth is you.
	Now when you understand that you have power.
	You have sovereignty over your mind, which was why Edward de Vere, who was Shakespeare, wrote the poem My mind to me a kingdom is.
	And you have to read that poem to understand that he sees that he has control and why Hamlet says, O God, that I could be bound in a nutshell and be king of infinite place.
	But for these wacky dreams I'm having, the wacky dreams being reality that are getting in the way, this fake matrix, this shadow, this walking shadow you know once you get it you get it it's a profound truth and if everyone understood it we would all be sons of men and our and our life would be better now out there listening to this now will be people screaming
	their heads off saying that idiot he's a pantheist he's a he's he's he's he's wicked he's he's a satanist But I absolutely know to the root of my heart that the basis of this is being an instrument of God's will.
	As Shakespeare, he said himself, you are the author.
	Sorry, you are the instrument, God is the author.
	I think he says it in one of the Henry VI plays.
	He knows exactly what's going on.
	So if you accept that you are an instrument of God's will and you take on board everything you've said, how do you live your life?
	According to God's will.
	And God's will is to be kind to other people.
	above all to love all other people, to love them genuinely because they are are your brothers and they are all part of god and they are all equal to you regardless of any class of any intellect, everybody has what they have to offer.
	Thea wrote a beautiful poem about this, but that everyone has within them what they have got to offer, nothing more, nothing less, but they must give it to other people.
	They must stop worrying about their material needs.
	They must stop caring about the food they eat, the position they hold in society.
	It's a sort of communist message.
	It's quite radical, isn't it?
	It is radical, and I was brought up, and you were no doubt brought out to despise communism.
	And more scary than that, we have the World Economic Forum saying, By 2030, you'll own nothing and be happy.
	Now, how close is that to Jesus' message?
	But we love Jesus and we hate Klaus Schwab.
	But there's a simple reason for that.
	Because Klaus Schwab is counting himself in as the leader of this new world.
	And by what right does he have to do that?
	That's where Klaus Schwab can say that and be bang on the message of Jesus.
	But he's absolutely got no right at all in my view.
	you to be working away like the devil to ensure that he's at the top of the pile when this happens if it happens but it's so slippery cunning that he's on Jesus' message and how is he going to play that out I'm very interested watching these swine as they play with religion isn't there somewhere in the Far East where they built three identical temples or churches where they're going to try and murder Yeah,
	that's what you know about that?
	That's the plan.
	No, I just I just heard about it.
	I mean, it's like one picks up snippets like the red heifer's been.
	been bred for sacrifice in the 30s.
	What's the red heifers?
	It's something to do with the fulfillment of the prophecies of Revelation that they need red heifers to be sacrificed, especially bred red heifers, which they've done.
	They sacrificed them about six months ago.
	I missed that story, but I was onto one about a crazy white horse with blood in front of it.
	Oh, that one.
	That was also obviously fake.
	That was very fake, wasn't it?
	So, yeah, allegedly, according to the story, something like five household cavalry riders were unsuited.
	unseated simultaneously and the horses bolted.
	And lo, a black horse and a white horse bolted down parts of London and you could, luckily, the white horse was the one that was wounded even though it looked completely unharmed, which meant that the blood showed up nicely, the fake blood showed up nicely.
	And I think lots of readers would have consumed this story and sort of gone well this is weird not realizing that they're being played with, aren't they?
	They're having their minds.
	Well, I don't read enough of these online conspiracy theory channels, but I read yours assiduously.
	And your readers were very quick onto the connections to Revelation.
	Which I'm now slightly muddled about.
	As you know, I'm very suspicious of Revelation.
	But there does appear a man on a white horse who is Christ in Revelation.
	Am I right about that bit of it?
	I haven't done a podcast on Revelation yet, so I'm not sure.
	Yeah.
	It seems to be such an enormous rabbit hole and I'm not sure that I'm not.
	And why is it, am I right in thinking that the Jehovah's Witnesses are more or less entirely knowledgeable about Revelation and they claim to know the whole Bible by heart, but when you test them, it's really only Revolution that they're on, which I believe they've changed and altered.
	I don't know.
	But I mean, I was brought up a Catholic.
	No longer.
	But I went to Catholic Church as a boy.
	And I don't remember Revelation coming up once in any of my instruction ever.
	To be fair, the Bible doesn't come, I can't mention Catholicism, does it?
	You're not saying big on it.
	Well, Catholicism slightly bans the Old Testament, actually.
	Catholicism doesn't really use the Old Testament too much.
	I have to say, I got that vibe on one of my podcasts with a Catholic priest.
	I think it's a mistake to...
	I think that it's the same God.
	Well, especially if you don't't focus on Jesus' teachings.
	Surely all that is interesting about Jesus is what he said.
	Now, one of the things that Tolstoy argues, which I agree with profoundly, is if Jesus' sayings are the word of God, which is what most Christians are told to believe, that they are direct word of God, why aren't they always presented as bound as one copy of this very sacred work, which is the work of God?
	Why are they bound up with the whole of the Old Testament and Revelation and the letters of Paul and the Acts, whatever?
	How can that be treating the Word of God as the Word of God?
	Again, I would say this is an argument to say that Jesus was one of the greatest teachers and one of the greatest divines of mankind, and even then I would say we should be having books off his sayings alone and not muddling it all up with a whole lot of other stuff that everybody is struggling to understand.
	So that I mean that's a fundamental criticism of the Bible.
	Who decided in three?
	I can't remember the date.
	Was it the Council of Nica or the Council of Ephesus?
	This is the Bible.
	I heard a story written by one of the ancients, Eusebius or was it one of them?
	One of the fathers of the church.
	That when they tried to choose which books got into the Bible, the bishops got so angry with each other they started fighting, punching each other, literally punching each other in the face, and their anger turned to buggery and they literally bugged each other.
	Really?
	At one of those councils?
	Who wrote this?
	Well, I think it might be Eusebius.
	It was one of the church fathers who was writing a history of oh God, I'm so sorry I forgotten, but it was either the Council of Nica or the Council of Ephesus, which was the one where they chose the sort of I know it's been Ting Goodworth.
	Council of Nicaea, wasn't it?
	I mean Council of Nicaea.
	But at one of the descriptions you will find that they got so angry they started literally punching each other and drawing blood out of each other's noses, which ended up in buggery.
	They're so angry they buggered each other.
	I've never heard of buggery being used.
	Well, I hope I'm not.
	Well, I have.
	Have you?
	Yes, yes, I had a friend who his parents went out and said that he could have his birthday party at his house with all his friends.
	And so his parents went out to a restaurant.
	And when they returned, they found the whole house, their house had been completely smashed up by their son and their birthday party.
	They'd all lost their temper with each other in a massive fight, and two of them were drooling and dribbling over each other, naked in the parents' bed, and I think they had probably bugged.
	So I think anger can turn to you know rage.
	I think probably a lot of rage.
	I've been quite lucky with my children.
	They never have parties like that.
	I'm very glad to hear it, but I think I think anger can I think quite a lot of ragepe and suicide is generated by anger.
	Desperate measures.
	The numbers thing.
	Oh yes, it's absolutely fascinating.
	So I remember when you came over to my gap and I had done the numbers on, I hope I got it right, on James Mark Court's Delling Poll.
	I remember.
	It meant something fantastic, which was very pleasing.
	I mean, you do believe that numbers are kind of...
	They're very powerful, aren't they?
	They sort of...
	they are they are extraordinarily powerful the original number of books in the hebrew bible what we call the old testament was 22 i just told you why 22 is important but it's a strange thing because 22 in english i.e.
	you extract the latin and take the english and you have i am the name of god um in hebrew the name of god is uh is spelt out with vowels, four vowels known as the tetragrammaton.
	And in Hebrew you don't have I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.
	The Hebrew is four consonants.
	In Hebrew you don't have vowel sounds.
	And so the tetragrammaton cannot be pronounced except through argument of deciding what the consonants must be between those vowel sounds.
	And traditionally in English translations we say Jehovah and more scholarly and slightly more accepted by the Jewish community is Yahweh.
	But that's filling in.
	Filling in, do you want that music?
	No, no, no, it's more of a strong found tissue.
	So we can have this quarrel between Yahweh and Jehovah as to the name of God.
	But even then, you will find Hebrews, Jewish people, are too sensitive ever to say either of those words.
	They write out G dash D. They write out, they have all sorts of ways around it.
	Now, one of the points that God makes and is made in the Bible is that God is all number and all letter and that letters and numbers are interchangeable anyway.
	So how can you be all letter and all number?
	I mean God obviously says I am the alpha and the omega and it is implied that he is all the letters and all the numbers between but you can see that God himself is interested in letters and numbers so we wouldn't be talking in this way at all about letters and numbers.
	So then was contrived this idea out of the tetragrammaton that we need to give God a name that is unpronounceable but is made of letters.
	and all numbers and preserves the idea of the fourth the tetragrammaton.
	So this number comes up which is I, I, I, I. Now you'll see this really weirdly in places.
	There's a picture of Edward DeVere, who as we know is Shakespeare by that wonderful miniaturist called Hilliard.
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	He's an Elizabethan miniaturist.
	He says he's tiny little portraits.
	And there's Edward DeVere holding the hand of God.
	And if you twist the hand and watch how the fingers, you know how cunning the Elizabethans were, you can see AA, just the two A's, but the two A's have each got two bars in.
	So a capital, you know how you write a capital A. It's a triangle with a bar in it.
	They've got two bars, it's implying two A's.
	Well, A is one, so two A's one, one, and the second A is one, one.
	So you've got I, I, I, I. He's holding the hand of God.
	Equally, if you go into Latin, what's the number two in Latin?
	I. I. So 22, well, actually, we know that 22 is written with an X, but if you write II, you're writing the name of God again in just 22 and it's 22 in Latin.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	So you'll see these weird engravings of Francis Bacon sort of pointing at 22 there and 22 there.
	And if you go to Shakespeare's sonnets, as I said, a number of his works Venus and Adonis, you see this beautiful headpiece with II.
	This is the name of God and what he's telling you is that he created those sonnets through the grace of God that is within him, but that his mind is godly.
	So there is one use of number.
	But this is I'm acutely aware, James, that you asked me a very, very difficult question and I'm trying to evade it.
	So I'm now going to stop evading it, okay?
	And this is about the number of your name.
	And Edward DeVere discovered the number of his name as it links to the Trinity, and this is the brilliant, clever Trinity with the fourth part hidden within it.
	So he's not just linking his name to the number three, he's linking it to the name of the number three with this hidden quaternary within it.
	And the number he came up with was seventeen forty.
	Now, 1740, how should we start to work out how he worked out this first number of his name?
	Okay, I'm going to start with his pseudonym, which is William Shakespeare.
	Okay?
	William begins with a capital W, doesn't it?
	There was no such thing in the Renaissance as a W, because there's no such thing as a W in the Latin alphabet.
	So they called it a double V. V is the 20th letter of the Latin alphabet.
	So a double V is 14.
	Simple?
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So you've got your W and then you've got Illium Shakespeare which is seventeen letters.
	So you've got forty seventeen.
	You've got it in reverse.
	I'm going to get on to how Edward DeVere is seventeen forty, but I'm just telling you his pseudonym is reverse.
	It's like looking in a mirror.
	It's forty seventeen.
	Illium Shakespeare is seventeen letters and you've got your W which is forty.
	Right?
	But this is much more brilliant than you think it is.
	Because Illium is the same place as Troy.
	And Illium is where the patron saint of poets shook by her will the spear of Achilles.
	Do you remember what happened?
	That enabling him to kill Hector?
	It was the will of Pallas, the goddess of theatre, the goddess of playwrights who shook the spear.
	So you've got your Ilium Shakespeare that happened at Ilium.
	How bloody clever is that?
	The most perfect surname.
	It links the name of Edward de Vere to the number seventeen forty backwards because it's mirrored, and it mirrors the patron goddess of playwrights and poetry by the will of of of Pallas Athena the goddess of playwrights okay yeah right put that to one side let's get let's now get back to the original author who was William who was Edward de Vere Edward de Vere hid his name four ways hid the number four ways
	1740 in his signature now this is very visual unfortunately so The best thing I could advise anyone listening to this is to go to a short lecture I put on YouTube, which I think is called A Rose by Ot other name Shakespeare and it shows how exactly how 1740 is embedded four times in the beautiful elaborate
	Tudor portrait, a Tudor signature of Edward de Vere.
	Absolutely brilliantly, brilliantly done.
	He has a seven and a four and he adds it up to the 1740 and he does it four times, one of which is concealed within the ternary.
	So I don't want to advertise myself.
	I remember a lot of laughter when you had a man on your show called Bart Subrell., who couldn't ever stop talking about his internet site.
	I've never monetized my internet site.
	My view is that truth has to be free and I've never made a bean from it, but it's very visual and so it's very easy for people to understand what I'm talking about and the seventeen forty.
	But where this I think gets really interesting is that people understood this at the time.
	And Edward DeVere died in sixteen oh four and in seventeen forty the date seventeen forty they erected in Westminster Abbey that very famous marble monument to William Shakespeare bang on top of the place where Edward DeVere was buried.
	So there were people carrying forward this knowledge of seventeen forty.
	And on the very date, look, this is the only thing I'll say about my numbers, which I felt was extraordinary.
	On the very date that I had this extraordinary epiphany, I realized the date itself added to six hundred sixty six.
	I think it was the month of well it must have been June thing.
	You finally got to the six.
	I was wondering where the six hundred sixty six was going.
	Right, well, guess what I did?
	I panicked.ed.
	And I thought I'd been deceived.
	the 666 has arrived and No, how did this work?
	I subtracted the date.
	I took 66 away from the date.
	That's what happened.
	And it came to 1740.
	I couldn't bloody believe it.
	I just couldn't believe it.
	Sorry, what did you do exactly?
	Exactly.
	What the hell did I do?
	God, it wouldn't be sad if the devil's on my brain now.
	It's stopping me me elisa will remember i i subtracted because i took 666 away can you remember what i did liza i took 666 away and it came to 1740 now this is the weirdest thing that you could imagine elisa and alexander are 1740 that's our 70 letters right yeah a w which I tell you is 40.
	1740 is exactly the same grammatic value as 40s.
	You see how mad people are going to start thinking?
	No, you know what?
	I think that they'll have to trust you on the math.
	Look, this is the miracle.
	A triple towel contains three Ts.
	T is the number 19.
	So they add up to 57.
	My coin.
	319 to 17.
	Yeah, and 57 is 17 plus 40.
	Okay.
	I've told you that the triple towel has a hidden T within it.
	So in fact it's got forties.
	Forties are seventy six.
	War, the name war, the surname war is also seventy six.
	Eliza and Alexander are seventeen plus seventy six, so they're seventeen forty.
	They're the same as William Shakespeare.
	It's just very strange.
	You know, I totally accept that I can't drag everyone along with me on this.
	But when you get into it and you start understanding, and I know lots of your lots of your sharp queens do understand.
	I remember lots of them coming up saying I keep seeing.
	Seeing eleven eleven, do you remember?
	Yeah.
	Do you remember?
	Well, I wish you did, because lots of them, lots of them, they'll pop up now if they hear this.
	Lots of them came up, said, I keep seeing eleven eleven.
	And I knew that eleven eleven was the way that Francis Bacon and English intellectuals and scientists in the time of the Renaissance were understanding the name of God.
	Ah, okay.
	It's twenty two.
	I am.
	It's the beginning of your name.
	It's the end of William.
	I've told you the number that I keep seeing all the time is thirty three.
	I know, and you padded about it.
	I just think they're playing with me.
	They're trying to.
	But you've got to answer yourself, why did they choose thirty three to bait you with?
	Why?
	No, we know perfectly well why, because they're frightened of the number thirty three.
	They want to subvert it to their own ends.
	And they want to say, nudge, nudge, wig, wig, close one eye, put a triangle in a stupid place, and believe that we're tricking the masses when we use the number 33.
	And you've fallen for that.
	33 is a sacred number to the Christian.
	I've fallen for it.
	I should have noticed it a lot.
	Well, 33.
	Oh, no.
	Oh no, the clock, I've just glanced at the clock and it's 33 again.
	Unless you agree with me that the resurrection may have been a cabal trick.
	Oh.
	Because he was 33 when he...
	I believe in the Churin Shroud and things like that.
	Right.
	I think that persuaded me.
	Inter alia.
	I know you do.
	This is our big difference.
	Is it?
	I don't go with the resurrection.
	I think it was added on.
	Oh, okay.
	Because he didn't need it.
	Jesus keeps telling you that it's.
	the life and the light are what are within you that tell the intelligent man that he must serve the will of God and they are perpetual.
	He didn't advocate for the body.
	In fact, he was the opposite of the body.
	He said the body goes.
	His body doesn't come back and start walking around in heaven with feet and toes.
	I'm sorry, I know this is a massive subject and it makes people very, very cross.
	I consider myself an anarchic Christian and I can't go with the resurrection.
	It seems to me the big trick...
	Well, I think you're allowed.
	Of course, James.
	Of course, of course.
	And I love you.
	I love you like a brother.
	And of course, I don't even want to persuade you.
	I just feel in my heart it's a trick and it's wrong.
	You know?
	In an odd way.
	I mean, this is probably going to sound very controversial of me, but it doesn't...
	I say, I do believe in Jesus, and I believe he didn't teach that.
	And you should be very wary of it.
	So it does matter.
	So what do you think happened?
	He just died.
	Well, he never said it.
	Who said that he resurrected him?
	Let's start with that.
	Well, the disciples saw him.
	What date were the disciples writing?
	I don't know.
	50 years after his death?
	No, I don't know.
	Remind me who saw him.
	His mother.
	they saw him walking he came out of the tomb he was removed from the tomb yeah nobody actually saw him walk out but the tomb was empty and then people started saying that's him oh no no that's not him oh i don't recognize him i mean come on are we talking about god or what so there's a guy over there didn't recognize oh no i don't think he's i don't think he's the son of god oh yes no no he was i i mean it's Well, very badly told.
	I don't know.
	Well, there's lots about the Bible, which is quite sketchy, and you have to kind of piece together.
	Why should it be sketchy if we're talking about the most important things in the world?
	No, I don't know.
	Um...
	How...
	What's your take on the Tiring Shroud?
	You think it's a fake?
	I enjoy it remaining a mystery at the moment.
	Of course my more scientific mind would love to have an end to the quarrel, which has gone on and on and on.
	But it's so difficult when people come to these scientific things.
	I'm thinking of course of the discoveries of Nagmach.
	Now, Maha, the scrolls the dead sea scrolls and the ones that were found in egypt that people come to them scholars come to them with bias which is exactly what's always happened with the churnshroud um and it makes it extremely difficult to just read what the latest person said and agree with it i think i think that i think the nigamadi things are quite weak in
	terms of you know being the extra missing gospels that I didn't think they have the same claim to.
	Well, they're not weak when you put them in the context of the arguments that took place between the bishops at the councils when they obviously had huge numbers of texts in front of them the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of this, the pseudopigrapher, and they were choosing out of those piles which ones went into their sacred pile.
	Well, that was one choice made by one set of bishops at one time.
	And we know now that there were many different texts.
	And I think it's very, very hard to argue that Jesus wasn't an Essene.
	We have various remarks about what the Essenes stood for and what they believed in.
	They seem to go hand in hand with what Jesus was teaching.
	He seems to have come out of a group, a cult, if you wish to call it like that.
	Certainly a lot of people would call the Essenes Gnostics, so Jesus would count as a Gnostic.
	He travelled out on his own, which Essenes generally didn't do, and they kept their teaching secret, but luckily some of their history of what they taught has leaked out.
	and started preaching on his own.
	And then we have this cave into which some shepherd apparently threw a stone and got a tingling sound, climbed up to this cave and found when was it just after the Second World War, this huge bundle of religious texts.
	Many of them coincide totally with Old Testament texts and different things.
	Book of Jubilees.
	I'm not sure by what total right we could say having studied all of these incredible texts, the Gospel of Thomas very interesting, for instance, to say nowadays two thousand less than two thousand years later, oh these ones definitely should have gone in the Bible, these ones definitely shouldn't.
	Those bishops who got together got together under the aegis of Constantine.
	I don't think Constantine was a Christian.
	I think it's a complete lie.
	I think Constantine very cleverly put the Christians together to try and stop them being a dilatorious force in his empire.
	And so he helped those councils to get together.
	And as I said, a lot of them was put together by a lot of fat, bugging, fighting.
	bishops of whom we don't even know half of their names.
	And they put the Bible together.
	So we have to be cautious.
	Yeah, I suppose that this is one of...
	I've listened to five hours of Exegesis by Michael Heiser on the Nokomadi, and I'm persuaded that they're, you know, they were written in Coptic.
	They don't have the kind of, the authenticity of the synoptic Gospels.
	But it doesn't mean that they weren't written by someone who had a deep desire to save ancient knowledge of mankind's relation to God.
	Yeah, sure.
	I suppose what I'm saying is that I can't see it's a particularly fruitful area of discussion because...
	All right, I just want to ask you one question.
	What do you think the point was?
	was of the scribe of the Nankamadi manuscripts a writing them down and b hiding them in this pot what was the point oh i think there would were loads and loads of different, There's loads of variance on the Christian message circulating in the years after Christ.
	Right, so one of your first points is to date them after Christ.
	Which is correct.
	They have to have been.
	They have to have been in the Narcos Martyrs, but that's your important point, that they are slightly wrong, slightly twisted Christianity messages.
	Well, there might be some bits in it which...
	So what do you say about that?
	What does that mean?
	So I've done a lot of study of Chismas'Hizbergistas.
	Yeah.
	And one of the first arguments...
	No, it's probably not for you.
	One of the first arguments that came up, particularly in the Renaissance, when a lot of very Christian people were getting interested in...
	So you get this man called Kozoban, this very famous scholar, who became insistent that he was post-Christ.
	And in fact, he was just copying Christ.
	He was taking a blood test for the other injection, do you remember?
	He knows.
	Which is a bit of a nuisance, but he's not.
	Oh, you're late.
	Is he a bit of a nuisance?
	No, don't worry.
	We just weren't expecting it.
	It's not going to take very long, is it?
	Well, hopefully not, no.
	So sorry, gents.
	My main point is one of the first arguments.
	Can I just finish this sentence?
	There's your point.
	One of the main...
	Govodes of Contention was, was Hermes post-Christ or early?
	early christ and kosobon being a christian said he was post christ and whoever wrote the corpus Hermetica was basically aping Christ and pretending that this was an ancient Egyptian from the time of Moses.
	There are others who argue deeply that the roots of what Hermes is saying go right back to the time of Moses.
	And that's why he is a very, very important testament to man's relation to God because he helps with the big problem of the Prisca Theologica, i.e.
	all that.
	came before Christ.
	You can't say that anyone who doesn't follow Christ is dabbed to hell.
	Is that what it's called?
	I've always wondered about that one.
	The Prisca Theologica.
	Prisca, what does it mean?
	Well, it means the former, the original.e.
	original relation with Christ.
	You can't have Christ coming along saying, I am the way, I am the truth, I am the eternal life, and nobody gets to be except through God if you happen to be pre-Christ.
	You're all damned, aren't you?
	Indeed.
	So to a lot of people, Hermes was the answer to this.
	because he was an ancient and he was a contemporary with at least Moses.
	And he was an Egyptian.
	What's your take on Hermes, just Megastas?
	Was he pre-Christ?
	I think the origins are from man.
	Call him Hermes if you want.
	He could have been several different people.
	He's associated with the Greek god Hermes, obviously, but with the Egyptian god Thoth and with what is known as Fordus Mercurius in Latin, in Romans.
	So he's merging with a god, but there are several different Hermeses, but you can talk about that later.
	But if he was a real man, that these instincts are so noble, are so tangible, are so visceral, and I keep using that word, that they must have some origin in something that someone was desperate to preserve.
	And I believe at very least those go back to ancient Egyptian thought.
	And there are others who would quarrel with that.
	Okay, as you know, a nurse has just come in saying I've got to give a blood test.
	I don't think it will take more than a few seconds.
	and more and more and more of intelligent thinking world are understanding that is the case once said that the scriptures were very badly written indeed and he could write them better within six days it's a typical for boastful writer he was of course a brilliant writer but it's very interesting to me that he said that that he he was unquestioningly of the view that the scriptures had been tampered with and that they had been altered for political purpose.
	What was his evidence?
	Well, he was talking about who was Jesus.
	He was talking about the virgin birth.
	He was talking about the miracles.
	And I think he was talking about them in a pragmatic and logical way and saying that the miracles had obviously been added in order to encourage people who might not be believers.
	That was DeVere's view.
	Yes, who would jump in on side.
	You know, he could see very clearly the political motivations between some of these points and obviously the genealogies.
	I mean, one forgets that Jesus was a bastard in Matthew.
	17 and 18.
	Again, numbers come in here.
	Oxford was the 17th El of Oxford and he surrogated a son to be the 18th El of Oxford.
	It was a very naughty thing to have done and he was extremely apologetic and he hated the fact that Vere stood for truth and he had concealed this fact that the 18th El of Oxford was actually surrogated and he turns in his Bible to these verses 17 and 18 in which we are told that Jesus was already in the womb of Mary before Joseph had met her.
	This idea that he was in fact, well, the Bible says that he was mystically the son of God by an announcement through the angel Gabriel.
	The Jews who were closest to that time wrote these very controversial histories called Toldot-Jesu, the history of Jesus, in which they said he was actually the bastard son of Ben Pandiro, who was a Roman soldier.
	and had been conceived in Egypt.
	he had been grown up in Egypt where he had learnt magic and spells so it seems a little bit it's of the ancient Jews who were allowing him a certain amount of magic whether that's to do with raising the dead or...
	Well, again, as soon as you start this, you start this almighty argument.
	But I believe they were first century.
	No.
	AD could be second century.
	Glimmy.
	So it goes back a very long way.
	the rabbit hole of rabbit holes, isn't it?
	It is the rabbit holes.
	And maybe we can get a little bit of a share of the blessing.
	Dear Chris, did you have an appointintment?
	No, but I think the referral came from the nurse practicing yesterday.
	No?
	Hermes Trismegistus.
	Ah!
	So there you go.
	But she's formed with a W, not with a U. Well, that doesn't make any difference because there wasn't any W in Oh, I see.
	So it's the same thing.
	Oh, okay.
	But before you begin...
	In other words, if I identify myself with Pan, then I'm your brother-in-law, okay?
	And our father is Hermes Trismegistus.
	Maybe that will help you flock in a little bit to watch going on.
	What you've done, Alexandre, is you've gone and opened my mind to yet more possibilities.
	Well, I can see.
	This is our job, isn't it?
	It is our job, and it's unquestionable that when the Christians were trying to start their religion, they obviously had to walk around closing down a lot of other things that could have been inhibitors to that.
	Which include what we're going on, which was the worship of Pan.
	Pan, like it or not, was a goodie to the people who worshipped him.
	He was mischievous.
	That's definitely true.
	And the word panic comes, is derived from Pan.
	Pan.
	He liked to make his herds of goats run all over the place in panic.
	I remember when I was very young, we used to have a clay pigeon shooting machine at Ping Floy.
	and I was very naughty and I regret it now.
	I used to get the machine and set it very very low so that it would skim across the fields towards the sheep herds and put them all in a complete panic.
	So it is very very strange the connection to Pan and then I hear people saying ah he's a pantheist and I deny that really but But where do we go?
	Who do we listen to?
	I do listen to genius.
	One of the great geniuses of Shakespeare, but Delius, I used to.
	Well, still I'm thinking it's one of the great men that ever lived.
	Both Delius and Edward de Vere were very critical of organised religion.
	But I believe you can be very critical of organised religion and still be a very spiritual person without joining the badies.
	It's really that simple.
	Can you try and get your herd to understand that?
	Trying to get my herd to agree on anything?
	It's not going to be...
	No, that's not going to happen.
	Well, of course.
	But they're finding platforms and they're finding happiness on those platforms and that's really important.
	And where I stand, they are our brothers in love.
	And the vast majority of them agree.
	That serving the will of God, which is a positive good, is what they must be doing, developing faith.
	virtue that's got to be it hasn't it serving the will of God and developing virtue and what's not to like about that?
	There's nothing not to like.
	And then we become, according to Jesus, this highly confusingly named Son of God.
	And once you're Son of God, you are guaranteed eternal life.
	Anyway, look, this is a man who really doesn't know when he's going to die with cancer.
	And I'm very wary of adopting such doctrines.
	on the basis that they're comforting to me now.
	I wish I'd adopted them when I was one year old, but Jesus tells us we were actually adopting them without our knowledge if we are intelligent from before we were born.
	I believe in that.
	I know it since this strange epiphany.
	I also don't want to turn into a preacher.
	I like being a queer and a finder.
	I don't want to be a dog collar in a pulpit.
	No.
	So how does it comfort you?
	what you've understood now.
	What does it tell you about?
	The worst things in life, which are to me extreme pain.
	The body doesn't matter.
	The body is something that is a temple while it holds the life and the light of God.
	And while it doesn't, it's disposable.
	And that we, if we really concentrate and have the dignity of mind and understand our connection to the word, actually have sovereignty of mind.
	and sovereignty over all that is.
	We are therefore in control of the Joe Biden's, of the wickedest elements of the child-eating idiots, we can actually stop this.
	And we can stop it not just by prayer, but a prayer that appeals to everything, to the extent of all things that exist.
	And that will bring in the natural law, which will sway the pendulum against these absolute shits who seem to have worked out that through computers, through guile, they can deflect free will.
	through distraction, deception, all the things that Jesus was warning about, they can get their way and take control, but they can't.
	That's the nutshellest I can give about comfort.
	You wanted to talk about death.
	What are you dying?
	What's it like?
	Well, you see, Ishiguro and people have written highly intelligent things telling us right from the ancients, we're all dying from the moment we're born.
	But we don't think about it.
	Why?
	Because we're programmed, I suppose, not to think about it.
	I've always thought about death.
	Almost every day.
	And not in a gloomy way.
	And I see a lot of your shark things saying, and I believe them, 100% I believe them, they have no fear whatsoever.
	And I have no fear whatsoever.
	And often I think, well, that's luck.
	I don't think you do change.
	Have you talked about this?
	You have a bit.
	I don't want to be tortured.
	Pain is the problem.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	We don't know when pain's going to come across us suddenly.
	But I'm not frightened of that.
	When it comes, it comes.
	I wouldn't like to be eaten by a shark either.
	I'll tell you what I dislike.
	I would loath that actually.
	It is something I thought of.
	Or a crocodile.
	That sudden bite and then pulling you underwater so you can't breathe.
	And the crocodile twists you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That doesn't matter.
	The anaconda suffocates you.
	That would be horrible.
	Anaconda, yeah, that would be really horrid.
	Well, because because I'm a great believer in the four elements.
	Earth, fire, wind, water.
	And stopping some of them from getting the air, the air inside you.
	Lighting a fire is so beneficial.
	Breathing deeply is so beneficial.
	And I don't know if you've heard of earthing.
	I don't know if there's any earthing.
	Yeah, I think earthing is good.
	It's absolutely wonderful.
	You can take your shoes off and put them on the bare earth.
	And there is this theory really well argued by some people on the internet that the earth is giving out a sort of electrical charge.
	And that if you put your bare feet upon it, that electrical charge comes out through the feet and through the body.
	And I had a very good video, I'm sorry, I can't remember who put it down now, who says that the worst enemy to.
	mankind is, guess what?
	The rubber sole.
	Oh.
	Gym shoes.
	We all wear gym shoes.
	My father used to call gym shoes.
	And they stop this electrical charge that is natural to the earth from coming through you.
	That's a good point.
	Yeah, we look at your shoes.
	They've got rubber sole.
	I know they have.
	And I don't particularly like wearing them.
	No, the rubber sole.
	I think I left my coffee around.
	I'm going to bring it through.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	Earthing.
	You're right.
	Earthing really important.
	A light of fire, or at the very least a candle.
	Every time you have supper at night.
	Are you all right in pain?
	I'm okay, my love.
	Thank you for asking.
	Relax your forehead then, if you're okay.
	Okay.
	Relaxing, father.
	So James has gone out to find something as he does during his podcast.
	Coffee.
	So, Eliza, I was just saying things that you all agree with anyway, so that's a good point.
	The four elements, the hidden fourth, the hidden fourth that rests within the ternary, that rests within the within the trinity.
	No thanks.
	Aw, the old fashioned.
	Are you listening?
	Because otherwise it's not going to make sense.
	The hidden fourth that is within the ternary are the four elements.
	And we get those four elements by our bare feet grounded by at very least lighting a candle, which I've done, we've been doing for the last 15 years.
	Somebody lies, every time we have supper, we light candles.
	Switch off the electric light.
	That gives you your fire.
	We add candles rather than switch off anything.
	We add candles.
	And then we breathe the air deeply through our lungs to get the air.
	And the fourth element being earth, air, fire.
	Oh, so winds.
	So wind's breathing, I suppose.
	One of Bob's copper tubes.
	So do I. So we're going to definitely need instructions.
	I know we are going to need some and it involves practical skills which I lack.
	I need to.
	I lack the attention span for it's Yeah, it takes a day out of it.
	That's why I couldn't I couldn't get on with I really hated Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance because I don't have the patience to do all this stuff.
	I can't you can't pay a handmade to do it?
	You can.
	What was the copper coil shape?
	So it's a copper tube with some base with some sort of precious stones in it and it gets rid of all the chemtrails and create sun for 45 miles around.
	According to Bob it works.
	Ah, because we were trying vinegar.
	Yeah, which is a bore because you have to go out all the time and keep burning something.
	It's a bore, and it does kind of work, but it's...
	I know, I just think I really...
	Some people say it's just we...
	My main objection...
	It's a belief that makes it work rather than the actual thing.
	The thing that annoys me on the...
	Yeah.
	And I'm thinking, well, hang on a second.
	yeah, yeah, it is.
	But so is a herb that can do something.
	Yeah, so if you accept that, then it's surely conceivable that burning white spirit vinegar can make the chemistry.
	I didn't see why.
	Yeah, no, look, I'm not against it.
	And when Eliza was doing it, you were doing it quite some time ago, nearly a year ago, wasn't it?
	I looked up and thought it was working.
	There were these patches that were recoiling from what Eliza was doing.
	They don't like it.
	They don't like the spirit vinegar.
	Those clouds, those artificial.
	Is that artificial?
	Well, what does someone like Rupert Sheldrake say about it, I wonder?
	I'm going to have to get him on the pod.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he's a very interesting man and he has, you know, he's determined that he's scientific and his degrees are scientific and he's written scientific papers and he's held scientific offices where he's an academician, if you like.
	his ideas are very wacky.
	And he's been...
	He's been quasi-cancelled.
	Not a pigeon.
	It could be a pigeon.
	I think pigeons do that.
	But I think Sheldrake's a good person.
	His wife's very interesting.
	She does these constellations.
	I wouldn't have thought it is given to few.
	It's quite strange what a sort of cross-section it is.
	But what does completely awake mean?
	I mean, I think it means...
	Yeah.
	He's got that place.
	Okay, let's discuss one of the fundamentals of James'Telegram channel.
	And one of the fundamentals was this thing that was taken from Miri...
	Miri...
	If you know the name, you've been in the game.
	And for anyone who doesn't understand that, it means that if you're invited to be interviewed on any mainstream media, then you're a shell.
	Is that an acceptable stance?
	I don't know about that.
	Yeah.
	I'd say.
	I think it's a safe one.
	What you were saying with Bob yesterday was that people are being used for a bit.
	All rules of thumb.
	There are going to be exceptions that prove the rule.
	And it's not so much that...
	When were you last invited to be on a major show?
	The last time I did the BBC was the Andrew Neal.
	when Andrew Neil picked on me.
	And I thought it was so...
	He called you out, which was such a shame, because you're so uncatchable.
	No, but you know what?
	The thing is, he didn't really catch me out.
	It was a cheat.
	Because...
	At the time, I blamed myself.
	You think it's your fault.
	I see now now I understand how the media works.
	The media is a lie machine, the mainstream media.
	It's not in the service of truth.
	And he posed some complicated question, which wouldn't be that legitimate, even, say, were either the functionary who had been deputed to perform this particular term.
	But the thing I should have said to him, and this is why I think it's important to be authentic and speak the truth all the time what i should have said to him was andrew we are here talking on a late night political show when everyone's letting their hair down everyone's taken their ties off and that is part of the the the the shtick of this particular show everyone's relaxed i spent the afternoon
	dressed up as a zombie to create an amusing filmed insert before the show.
	I was following lines that had been pretty much given to me by your editor because I was striking a particular pose.
	I'm pro-Brexit or I thought I was at the time.
	Generally my view is it's all going to be okay.
	Freedom is good, whatever.
	And here you are, breaking the...
	It wasn't an explicit contract, but that was the deal and you are pretending that this is A, the daytime.
	B, that I'm an expert on everyday, or that I even care about everyday EU policy.
	And you are now, for whatever warped reason, Andrew, you've decided to put me on the spot over an issue of actually ultimately no consequences, because as we've learned since the Brexit, it was all a sham anyway.
	I'm not going to answer that question because I think it's dishonest.
	I think you're dishonest.
	I don't know what game you're playing, but I'm not going to play it.
	Now, it would have taken time, but it would have destroyed him.
	I mean, it would have...
	No, he wouldn't.
	But people like Andrew, again, I don't hate these people.
	I feel sorry for them.
	They are corrupted.
	They are losers.
	Jesus teaches us to love them.
	Yeah.
	It's hard to love Andrew Neil, isn't it?
	But at what point did he turn into this very ludicrous, ambitious character?
	Well, that's it.
	You look at them and it's a bit like Gulliver's Travels, isn't it?
	Where you get rewarded with high office for who can perform these silliest dances.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	It's not real.
	I was trying to explain.
	The only thing I'll say about Andrew Neil is, do you remember, I'm sure you do, when the Today programme, for instance, was greatly criticised in a lot of the BBC interviews, for hammering into every single MP they ever interviewed and they just went for the negative just tried to trip them up always got this question to catch them out then suddenly along came Brexit and they all changed sides and they didn't hammer a single MP they didn't do anything.
	So along come you of Rara Avis onto the Andrew Neal show.
	Andrew Neal at that point was famous for laying into people.
	He hadn't laid into anybody.
	Do you think he was rather Brexit?
	He was pro Brexit.
	He was definitely, definitely, or just paid to be.
	No, he was definitely anti Brexit.
	Okay.
	So, well, anyway, along comes you, and then he's at last got his, what he's famous for, to lay into again.
	But it was astonishing how all the, do you remember all of those vicious?
	BBC interviews, they stopped being vicious, they just invited pro-Brexit.
	Pro-Remainers.
	Although they never probably, because we were not aware then, they never probably asking enough questions.
	Even then I was thinking, well, they never get to the end of a story.
	You never find out.
	You don't think.
	But it's dropped headlines and then you never get to the end of that.
	And then people are questioned and then they'll forget it's forgotten but it's hardly questioned.
	It's all about muddling you, isn't it?
	But yeah, it's also fake that it's not even worth sort of engaging with their with their non-arguments.
	I mean, we've all tried to make us into experts in export duty or something like that.
	Why should we be?
	Brexit was a very, very simple matter as far as concerned.
	Do we have voting power over our sovereignty, over our country?
	Very, very simple matter.
	Or do we turn it over to Brussels where we don't have a proper vote that means anything?
	Why do I have to get involved with export duty with 2% is added on wine?
	Any government can alter that for our benefit with a bit of negotiation.
	I know they create problems for you to sort of argue with your friends over.
	I remember there was a very early on...
	on when I thought you know, journalism is all very well, but TV is the thing.
	I want to be a TV personality.
	I remember I was asked to do this.
	this to participate in this thing the BBC had done where they'd say which decade was the best for TV was it the 60s the 70s the 80s or the 90s and I was given a decade and I can't remember whether I was I was speaking pro or con and oh you're early well done I'll come and just say sorry I'll have to miss the end of that.
	This is Susanna who lives at the gatehouse as James does.
	Hello Susanna.
	Oh right.
	I've heard about you.
	You're German.
	I heard about you as well.
	Oh, well.
	I am Dan and Chris and Katie.
	That's all.
	Well, well, hello.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	How are you?
	Very well.
	Are you nice and warm and cuddly?
	I'm all right.
	I'm not going to die now.
	Well, yeah, well, that would be that would be embarrassing, wouldn't it?
	Yeah.
	Suddenly choked.
	What was his name, your friend Dan?
	Dan Ricks.
	Yeah, Dan.
	Yes.
	You know Dan?
	Of course I do.
	Yeah.
	Dan knows a lot of people.
	He's lovely.
	Yeah, he is.
	And picking up a puppy today.
	Is he from him or from somewhere else.
	Somewhere, I don't know where, but a lovely black labrador.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	So we have a wide awake person here, you'll be pleased to hear.
	Yes, no, I knew that.
	Most people who come in this house are wide awake.
	I knew that you were going to be wide awake.
	Yes.
	Because you met at a wide awake thing, didn't you?
	Through the telegram channels.
	No, I think you're the...
	No, the third.
	Susanna was the one who told me about MKUltra coming from Mentecontra.
	Mental control.
	Somebody told me, the German woman at my event in London told me that Erle König was actually about child rape by the elites.
	She said they make you learn this poem at school and you think it's all about the elder king and yours.
	And then you think it's about...
	Which of course is world famous through the Schubert setting of this song.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	With the boys running around saying, Father, Father, help me, help me.
	Someone's chasing me through these woods.
	They're the aristocratic bloodsuckers.
	Yeah.
	Father says, Induren bleten, soysel der Wind.
	He says it's just the wind rustling through the dry leaves.
	Got it?
	It's all started in Germany, there's hell.
	The hell of Vice came through.
	Prevention, control, and crash.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Well, a Weishaft was a German, wasn't it?
	he?
	Adam Weishaupt who was the founder of the Illuminati.
	Oh gosh.
	out of Bavaria or one of the German states.
	I think the whole nastiness comes...
	Well, I'm told nowadays it comes from Switzerland.
	It's where DARPA is.
	There's loads of Eva in Switzerland.
	I mean, you know, Geneva, I think, is the headquarters of...
	Of course they're dangerous.
	And the world they can't understand.
	And DAPA.
	But I think Sweden's really bad.
	There's not many places.
	Nothing is good for Italy.
	Italy's where all the kind of nobility live.
	So America obviously is evil.
	Australia is just a kind of satellite of evil.
	Kiwi land, satellite of evil.
	China, obviously that's evil.
	Where is Nice?
	There's nowhere.
	What are they setting up in two places?
	One Ukraine and the other in darkest Africa.
	I've heard a rumor that Blair got these rumors.
	Blair, the Clintons, all these sort of crap people are buying vast tracts in a particular country in the central Africa.
	But they're also said to be buying up parts of the Ukraine to set up.
	I hope they get confounded in their...
	Yeah.
	In their evil...
	How do you start doing your...
	No, no, no, no.

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