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Welcome to the Dellingbot with me, James Dellingpole.
And I just wanted to tell you about something really exciting coming up quite shortly.
It's James Dellingpole's birthday bash.
His big birthday bash, I believe it's been called.
Can you guess why?
Well, unfortunately, I've got a big birthday coming up.
I don't normally like to celebrate these things, but this one is kind of unavoidable.
It's not actually on my birthday, it's on August the 1st.
My actual birthday was held on the anniversary of the day when the atomic bomb didn't go off over Hiroshima because nukes aren't real and it was an apalm strike.
But that's another story.
So my big birthday bash is on August the 1st.
And the highlights include, well, I suppose the highlight is me chatting on stage, doing a Dellingpod live with Bob Moran.
Now, apart possibly from my brother Dick, who's obviously easy to talk to because he's my brother, I think Bob is one of the people I most enjoy chatting to him because he's bright, obviously.
He's got hinterland.
He doesn't take prisoners and the conversation could go in any direction and it probably will.
I'm really looking forward to our chat.
So thank you, Bob, for appearing on the stage with me.
Also, we've got Dick.
Dick will be there, of course, and he'll be playing bass with unregistered chickens.
I've also got some of my friends from the world of natural health coming up.
And if you arrive early enough, you might be able to try some of their potions or even their treatments.
I'm not sure what they want to do, but there'll be stalls and things to look at.
And there'll be pizza.
There'll be pizza.
Really delicious.
The last time, last event I had, we've got the same caterers.
food is extra obviously but uh the pizzas were really good and they also did these really nice i These nice, I think it was pooled beef, something like that.
It was just food you'd want to eat.
I think the best thing about these events isn't even about me.
It's about all the other wonderful people that turn up.
You'll be amazed.
These are like the best friends you've never met.
Because you'll suddenly feel, hang on a second, I'm not alone.
There are other crazies just like me.
They're really, really fun, these events.
I would do them much more often, but unfortunately I get so knackered because of my tedious illness thing.
I mean, I've barely recovered from the last one.
It's in the middle.
It's in central England, I will tell you.
It is surrounded by beautiful countryside.
There'll be BNBs and stuff you can stay in.
I would do that if I were you.
It's on a Friday night, August the 1st, I mentioned.
But you might want to make a weekend of it because there's lots of stuff to see around and about.
Or you could come early and have a walk.
I don't know.
Whatever.
Anyway, I hope I will see you there.
August the 1st, James' big birthday bash.
It's going to be fun.
Limited number, strictly limited number of tickets.
There's only going to be 20 VIP tickets for reasons which will become obvious if you buy one.
They're for people who want to have special quality time with James.
Otherwise, I just get a normal ticket.
You will have fun, but please be quick because there are limited tickets.
They're being very strict on numbers, the venue.
So get in there as soon as you can.
And won't it be great?
Like, August, I think, is a really boring month.
Everyone goes away.
You'll need something to cheer you up for the fact that you're not in Ibiza or Greece or wherever you would like to be.
This will make up for the fact.
And we'll all be able to commiserate with one another and have a really, really good time.
I'm so looking forward to seeing you there at James's big birthday bash.
Thank you.
Can't wait.
Can't wait.
Global warming is a massive con.
There was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011 actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed, in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skull juggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find it microphone.
Go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are Still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Guy.
There we go.
It's a scam.
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Welcome to the Delling Pod, William Fink.
I'm really looking forward to this, William.
I don't know how many of my listeners have heard of you.
Hello, James.
I don't imagine any of them had, but thank you for having me.
And I gather from our earlier messages that you're broadcasting from a swamp in Florida.
Yes.
Actual swamp.
I live on a river, surrounded by a swamp for miles, in a remote part of northwestern Florida.
Do you get alligators going past your house?
Yes, sir.
They swim right up and down a little canal behind my house.
The river's about 150 feet away.
So that means you can't go for a swim?
No.
No.
And you don't want to swim in the water anyway, because it's very, very dark with tannic acid from all of the swamp vegetation.
So it's not like the nice pictures, touristy pictures you see of southern Florida where the water is crystal clear.
No, not up here in the swamp.
I have to say that I have never encountered more evil mosquitoes than the ones I encountered when I went to the Everglades once, and I went to the carp park, and the second I got out of the car, these evil black mosquitoes just swarmed.
It's like they were waiting for you.
Do you get those where you live?
Year-round.
Maybe it's not quite as thick as the Everglades, but we get them year-round.
They never go away.
Well, how do you do that?
We have yellow flies, which are biting flies that are much more vicious than mosquitoes.
Very aggressive.
You're not really selling northern Florida to me.
What are the advantages?
The advantages are solitude.
Much of northern Florida is very sparsely populated.
I think my county is like 100,000 square miles.
I'm sorry, 10,000 square miles, I think, or 1,000.
I'm losing my scale.
This county is about 1,000 square miles almost, and there aren't even 100,000 full-time residents, and most of them live down by the beach.
So the rest of the county is...
Now we're getting there.
Now you're selling it to me.
I like the countryside and solitude.
Anything to get away.
I'm sorry.
Oh, so you are a sort of Floridian swamp creature by birth?
No, never.
I grew up two miles from New York City.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry.
I missed that bit, right?
Yes.
I moved here with my wife from Bristol, Tennessee, where she was born and raised.
and we moved here in 2014.
Okay, yeah, and that's quite a contrast from New York.
So I know you're going to tell me some really, really interesting stuff.
But I also know that the Internet and podcasts are abundant with with experts, supposed experts who've studied the scriptures and have got this this kind of mind blowing new story they want to tell.
So before you tell me your story, I'd like to to help establish your bona fides.
Do you come from a Christian background?
Yes, I was actually raised a Roman Catholic in Catholic schools, but I left school after 10th grade.
I did not leave school for academic reasons.
I left school for financial reasons.
And I went to work for a living at menial labor, labor jobs.
I always worked my way up to a foreman or a clerk or something.
But I worked for various shipping companies and department store warehouses, things like that, until I went into law enforcement where I spent 12 years in the 80s and early 90s.
You were a cop?
Yes.
I was a correction sergeant and actually should have been a captain when I caught a civil rights case.
And for various reasons, spent over 12 years in federal prison on account of that.
While I was in federal prison, I was also a self-taught computer programmer.
I do my own programming, networking, everything.
And I thought I was going to better study mathematics to make myself a better programmer.
I ended up finding this, I was already into some, how do you want to call it, conspiratorial or alternative history I had been reading up in the mid-90s.
And I found this Christian identity message, which is, as soon as I say Christian identity, it's a pariah in the mainstream world.
It really is.
And I wanted to see what truth there was to it.
This is 1996, at the very beginning of my prison term, and I spent the next 12 years doing nothing but studying this message.
I gave up mathematics, computer programming, all of that to pursue this message because the more I studied, the truer it was.
Okay, can I pause you there?
Because I don't want you going ahead of yourself and telling me that the...
You're in prison in 1996.
Yes.
How on earth do you do your research then when there's no internet then, is there?
No, there was no internet.
I took some books that somebody had gave me that introduced in this message and I made my own bibliography of the classics and sat and read the Bible cover to cover.
I had the only language resource I had at that time was a Strong's Concordance, which is sereally deficient.
It's a nice guide, but it's really deficient for deep study.
Well, my parents were really good to me.
They'd send me any books I wanted.
The federal prison that I was in was pretty liberal.
I mean, we were only allowed five books, and sometimes I had 100.
No lie.
I have them all here on the shelf today.
And they're all dated, so you can see that I had them when I was in prison.
Anyway, I made this bibliography, and I worked from there, and I started studying the classics, studying scripture.
The King James Version in short time was not good enough for me.
So I picked up some Hebrew and Greek resources along the way.
And my parents were good to me and would send me any books I asked for.
And between them and my brother, I amassed probably a library of, I didn't have him in prison all at one time, but probably 150, 200 books on the classics and Greek and Hebrew and scripture in that period.
So how is your Hebrew and Greek?
I have a Hebrew vocabulary.
Of course, I can't speak it.
It should only be read for real.
It's dead.
This modern Jewish language is really just Yiddish with some Hebrew accents, in my opinion.
It's just like Koin Greek is basically a dead language.
This modern Greek has many Turkish influences in it.
So the Turks did rule Greece for 500 or 600 years.
So these languages are dead, so I don't speak them.
I don't try to speak them.
I mean, I try to sound out Greek words on podcasts sometimes to get a point across, but I can read them.
I can't really read Hebrew as well as I read Koine Greek, but I have a vocabulary.
I could pick out a lot of words, and with the lexicon, I can determine what things say and why they're translated the way they are in various translations.
That's how I do Hebrew.
But Koine Greek, I could pretty much just read and translate on my own.
Right.
And did you get any help in prison?
Were there any kind of...
No.
None at all.
I stayed isolated.
You can't get the level of help to do the studies that I wanted in a prison chapel.
You can't get it in any Protestant church today or Catholic church.
They don't have the resources.
The priests don't have the training.
Pastors take a couple of semesters of Greek in the seminary, and they probably, most of them, never look at it again from there.
Just tell me, what was the...
Where did you first come upon the idea?
I didn't invent the idea.
I had actually seen it in books that I read and became very curious about because my worldview and denominational Christianity had always clashed all my life.
My experience on the streets of Jersey City as a child, witnessing the riots in 1967, 1968, and the behavioral patterns of certain people and what happens when a city is given over to aliens, I'm going to state.
I experienced that firsthand.
I watched it for years.
I watched it as a child.
I watched it while I was in law enforcement my whole life.
I lived with that.
The urban blighting of American cities.
So denominational Christianity and even Roman Catholic Christianity clashed with everything that I ever witnessed my entire life.
I couldn't accept them.
This Christian identity concept began with the rise of British archaeology in the 1800s, in the 19th century.
And it was actually evolved into something called British Israelism, which is wrong in a lot of ways, but it's right about a lot of things.
And I began studying from there and refining it as I proceeded with my studies.
Refining it for myself so that I could determine what is true.
Yes.
That's interesting.
Because you're absolutely right.
It's this stuff, if it is true, has been quite heavily suppressed.
It's suppressed.
It's disparaged.
There are some people who were identity Christians that did bad things.
A few people.
A handful of people.
Shoot up a synagogue.
Elohim City.
They tried to claim that Timothy McVeigh was an identity Christian.
He was not.
Not at all.
And James Nichols, who was supposedly his accomplice, he was not Christian identity at all.
In fact, he was.
I haven't heard that phrase before.
Identity Christian.
What does that mean?
An identity Christian seeks to properly identify the peoples, the various peoples, in Scripture.
Properly identify them through historical investigation so that we can know who they are in the world today.
That's what an identity Christian is.
There's nothing wrong with doing that.
The Bible is full of genealogies and families, and we believe the Word of God at face value when he speaks of tribes and races of people.
So we seek to identify those tribes of people.
Because we don't all have the same origin.
We don't.
Not all races on the earth have the same origin, period.
It's ridiculous to think so.
Yes.
Well, I had a look at your website, and I mean, you've got lots of resources there.
And the first thing I had a good look at was the story about how the 12 tribes of Israel, i.e.
Jacob's progeny, how they eventually dispersed, they moved out of the Fertile Crescent and moved across Italy and into Northern Europe.
But it's quite ill-documented, this, isn't it?
I mean, you've got to infer it.
It's not like you've got lots of historians everywhere going, yes, this is what happened.
You've got to kind of work quite hard for this information.
You do have to work hard for the information, but there's more witnesses and it's more accessible that somebody on the outside may think.
There are many Greek and Roman historians who attested to the movements, settlements, colonies, trade routes of the ancient Phoenicians.
And today's academics have looked at the history of the Near East.
I'll call it the Near East collectively.
I include the Levant to Persia in that description and Egypt.
And they look at that history through the lens of Jewish scholars.
And Jewish scholars have a very slanted history of that region that favors Jews and their claims to the identity of the children of Israel of ancient times.
The Jews are certainly not the children of Israel of ancient times.
They are a mixed-race Amelgam, if I should call it that, of some people from Judah, along with the Edomites of the 1st and 2nd centuries BC who dwelt in Judea, and along with various Canaanite tribes and other peoples that they have since intermixed with.
Whether they have been Khazars or whether they were Moroccans, it doesn't matter.
They've mixed in with a lot of other races.
They've fully mixed in with the Ishmaelites, the Edomites, and many of the Arabs who were originally Canaanites.
They weren't the people of the Bible.
They would be enemies of the people of the Bible.
I can demonstrate that from biblical and from ancient history.
I have at least four Greek witnesses to that, ancient Greek historians, and Flavius Josephus, who details it, who tells this story in great detail in Antiquities, book 13, and I would cite Wars of the Judeans, book 4, in that light.
So this is fully demonstrable in ancient history, but it's also demonstrable in scripture, in many passages in both Old and New Testaments, that these people who call themselves Jews are not really the people of Israel.
Yes, some of them probably have some blood from Judah, but how many times do you have to mix with other nations and races where you could still claim a particular heritage from ancient times?
You can't.
You can't, as an Englishman, go to the Philippines, marry a Filipino woman, and 10 generations from now, how about 50 generations from now, those offspring claim to be English?
No, they're not English, I'm sorry, because they might have 1% English blood.
Yes.
Is a lot of this down to the translation into English of the word Jew?
Is that a mistranslation?
It's absolutely a mistranslation because it's a gross oversimplification.
The people of Israel in the Old Testament, only one twelfth of them were of Judah.
And none of the others could ever be called Jews.
Abraham wasn't a Jew.
Judah wasn't even born yet.
The people of Judah in the times of Christ, I would more properly call them Judeans, Judea.
And this is demonstrable.
You could look this up on Wikipedia.
Look up, there's an article on Wikipedia titled Forced Conversions.
So if you look up forced conversions on Wikipedia, you will see that the Edomites were forcibly converted by the Hasimonians to what is then called Judaism.
So yes, it began with John Hyrcanus, yes, sir.
So, and that's about 129 to 125 BC.
He became high king in 129.
I'm sorry.
Right.
I see.
So he converted them to this.
But what exactly was the religion at that point?
Well, I mean, they were basically practicing or keeping the best they could because they could no longer keep it perfectly.
And there's theological reasons for that.
The Second Temple period was never theologically in line with Moses.
For instance, there was no Ark of the Covenant.
If there's no Ark of the Covenant, then the blood of the sacrifices can no longer be sprinkled on the mercy seat.
In the Second Temple period, they didn't have the Ark.
It disappeared with the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem in 585 BC.
So they couldn't properly make sacrifices for the sins according to the law.
So it wasn't perfect, but they did the best they could to adhere for a long time to the religion of Moses.
And by the second century, it became corrupted.
And they had this idea that they could convert people that the laws of Moses explicitly excluded from any chance of communion with Israel.
They had the idea that they could convert these people and circumcise them and call them Judeans, like they were themselves.
And there's all sorts of testimony in Greek records, Ptolemy, Ammonius, Strabo of Cappadocia, and others, that the Edumians and the Judeans were all living together in Judea, practicing the same customs and laws.
So the Judeans, if you look at the population, they were a minority of the population, but they had the military force to go out and conquer all these people, one city or district at a time, because they were never united, and forcibly convert them into their religion.
So when does it no longer become the religion of Moses?
At the point that it absolutely contradicts the religion of Moses.
Judaism contradicts the religion of Moses.
How does it do that?
With the idea, as Christ said, you search the seas and the mountains to find one proselyte and make him twice fold the child of hell as yourself.
That's how it does that.
They converted these Edomites, who it's explicitly Stated in the prophecy of Isaiah, chapter 33, I believe, that the Edomites are the people of God's curse.
Yeah, over Edom will I cast my shoe.
Yes.
Yeah.
And Edom is slated for destruction according to the word of God.
I'm not making this up.
I can show you book, chapter, and verse.
It's his word.
It's not mine.
If you're a Christian, you should believe the prophets.
And that's what the prophets say.
This is very...
You do make a...
But it is very noticeable for anyone who reads the Old Testament, who pays attention, that God is very, very keen on bloodlines.
He's constantly enjoining the children of Israel not to mix with other races, not to mix with Canaanites.
He enjoins them to slaughter them and to slaughter all their animals as well.
And without mercy.
Now, a lot of Christians find that very hard to reconcile with the loving God that they sort of meet in the New Testament through his Son, Jesus.
They don't want to believe that.
I'm sorry.
They just don't want to believe that God has enemies, even though he states he has enemies over and over again.
And even Christ in Luke chapter 19, I believe it's verse 27, those my enemies who would not have me rule over them, bring them here and slay them before me.
That's the words of Christ.
That's the words of their all-loving Jesus who loves everybody.
In Revelation chapter 2, there's an example made of a woman who's Jezebel.
She's called Jezebel.
Now, she's not the literal Jezebel from back in the days of Ahab in the 10th century BC, 9th century BC.
She's just a woman being called Jezebel as a pejorative.
And she's teaching the servants of Christ to commit fornication.
So Christ says, I will kill her children with death and put her in tribulation and those who committed fornication with her.
I will kill her children with death.
Don't you think it's important to understand what is meant by fornication in that context?
If Jesus is going to kill the children, don't Christians think that they should figure this out?
That they should track this back and see what's really the historical context and why those things would be said?
It's quite an unJesus-like thing to say, isn't it?
Yes.
And Judeo-Christians, when I explain that to them, their heads explode.
They can't handle it.
I have to go talk to my pastor about that.
And the pastor is never going to give them a straight answer, but it's the plain words of Christ.
Well, I suppose they'd try and make the excuse, maybe it's a good excuse, I don't know.
They'd say, well, Revelation is just John's vision on Patmos.
And it's not really Jesus saying this.
It's kind of John's idea of what Jesus might have said.
Do you think?
And it goes right back to what Jesus did say in red letters in Luke chapter 19, bring my enemies here and slay them before me.
If we claim to believe Jesus, then we have to keep the commandments of the law.
And the commandments of the law is a reference to the commandments, not the rituals and things like that, but the commandments of the Old Testament law, most of which start with the words, thou shalt not.
Most of them.
And there's a lot of things that Christ said where he referred to things as commandments, which weren't in the Ten Commandments, but they are found in the commandments of the law.
Paul of Taunton.
Well, okay, the two greatest commandments are what?
To worship God with all thy heart and soul, right?
To obey God, and to love thy neighbor as you love yourself.
But that's not in the Ten Commandments.
Yes, the first three or four commandments, I believe, are all about worshiping God and keeping his name holy and keeping his Sabbaths and things like that.
The first four commandments of the Ten.
And the fifth commandment is thou shalt not murder.
Well, love thy neighbor as thou love thyself is not one of the ten commandments.
It's not even found in the book of the law in Deuteronomy.
It's only found in Leviticus chapter 19 in the law.
So if Christ thought that was the second greatest commandment, and in Leviticus chapter 19, it's not only the first time that that's stated as a law, the only place it's stated as a law, it defines what a neighbor is.
And I should probably pull it up, King James Version, because I want to get it exact, and I have to use the British spelling for neighbor, of course.
So, Levians chapter 19, verse 18, thou shalt not avenge nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
That's what it says.
Christ called that the second greatest commandment in law.
And he said that all the law and the prophets hangs on those two commandments, to worship God and to love your brother, your neighbor as yourself.
And there it Defines neighbor, if you understand how Hebrew sentences are constructed, there are a lot of what is called parallelisms, where two things are stated and they're both describing the same thing, and they're stated in two slightly different ways.
And this is a parallelism: don't bear, avenge, or bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor.
By neighbor there, the children of thy people are met.
Just because a Canaanite comes into your village and moves in next door, buys a house or a tent, comes into your field and pitches his tent next door, that doesn't mean that he's a member of the same flock.
He's not your neighbor.
A wolf that moves into the sheepfold is not the neighbor of the sheep.
He's there to devour the sheep.
So the sheep saying, oh, you can't harm that wolf, you have to love your neighbor, is suicide.
That's what we do today.
This, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, refers to the children of thy people.
Period.
That's the Lord of God.
That Canaanite moving into your flock, he's no less cursed than the Canaanites whom Yahweh had commanded the children of Israel to slay.
But they failed to do it.
Right.
So if you're right, this is going to shock 99.9% of pastors and ministers and stuff.
Yes.
And they'll think.
That I'm crazy.
Well, they would.
It does sound crazy because if there's one thing we know about Christianity, it's like it's for everyone.
All you've got to do is commit yourself to Christ and he's there for you and you're saved.
It's more or less the message, isn't it?
Just got to give yourself.
That's their message because they're taking the message of the apostles out of context.
The world of the apostles was not the planet.
The world of the apostles was what Christ would have described as wheat and tares.
Because those people, those Canaanite peoples, first Esau took his wives of the Canaanites.
And that really troubled his mother.
Which is why if you read Genesis chapters, I think it's chapters 27 through 29 or something like that, it really troubled Rebekah that Esau did that.
And she said, she lamented that if Jacob does that same thing, her life is useless and it means nothing.
So she made sure that Jacob received the blessings of his father and that Jacob went to Padana Ram and retrieved a proper wife from among his own kindred.
Yes.
I always used to be puzzled reading that story.
I used to think that Jacob was kind of a nasty trickster and that his mum was a schemer because I felt kind of sorry for Esau being tricked out of his birthright in a way.
I mean, I know he sold it for a mess of posage, but he was hungry.
But I suppose that's not really what the story is about, is it?
It's about the reason that God doesn't like Esau is because he pollutes the bloodline.
Yes, he polluted the bloodline with the people who were cursed, the Canaanites.
But it's deeper than that.
Not everybody on this planet is from God.
That's just a fact.
And when you read Genesis, in Genesis chapter 14, there's a people mentioned there who are called Zuzines.
Where are they mentioned in...
Where do you find Zuzims in the genealogy of the sons of Moses in Genesis chapter 10?
You don't.
And Zuzims is not even a proper name of any tribe.
It's a word which Strong's in his concordance defines as roving creatures.
And they're people called roving creatures.
And when I get that image, I think of these Mexicans coming over the border in Arizona.
That's exactly what I think about.
They're not even identified properly.
They're called roving creatures.
That's the first tribe explicitly mentioned in scripture that did not come from the sons of Noah.
And there's others.
In Genesis chapter 15, there's five other tribes mentioned in the last verses of Genesis chapter 15 that have no genealogy with the sons of Noah.
And this is only five Bible chapters later.
The Kennizites and a lot of denominational scholars and lexicographers, people who write biblical glossaries, they try to dismiss the meanings of these names and make them regional.
But that's not true because the people move and they're still identified by the same names.
Whether they live in the mountains, in the villages, on the fields, they're still Perizzites or Kenizites or Cadmanites.
The Rephaim are one of those groups.
And the Rephaim come from the Nephilim.
And that word translated as giants.
Yes, there were many of them that were great in stature.
They weren't all great in stature.
They were called giants in Genesis chapter 6.
And that translation is a huge disservice because the word, the root word of the actual name Nephilim, means to fall.
And it's very clear from Revelation chapter 12 that Nephilim means fallen ones.
That there was a race of people here living under God at one time, and they fell from the grace of God, and they're now identified as Nephilim in Genesis chapter 6 and all the way to the book of Numbers.
Numbers chapter 13 maintains that description of them.
But the King James Version just and many others just translated as giants.
Right.
Yes, this is a theory that I'm familiar with.
I know about the Nephilim.
And I know that they were called mighty men sometimes.
And so when you said that they're not created by God, what you mean, I mean, presumably you accept that the world, everything in it was, God created the world, yeah?
Yes, he did.
And God created the donkey, and God created the horse.
Yeah, and he created the ass.
Okay, so God created the angels, and then the angels, the fallen angels, found women folk pleasing, and so bred with them, and they created this hybrid race, sort of part fallen angel and part human, called the Nephilim.
I'm sorry.
I don't like to...
So I don't like to make history out of the allegory for myself, right?
And it's very clear that the Nephilim had been willing.
And in the Enoch literature, it states that they actually mated with all kinds of animals, did all sorts of experiments in that regard.
It's in the book of Enoch.
I can't pull the citation out of my head.
It'd take me a few minutes to find it.
However, I actually cite that on my website in many articles, but I use the Dead Sea Scrolls as my source because I believe that the Ethiopian Enoch, as it's known, is corrupt and has many editions that weren't in the original.
But that's okay.
That's a scholarly opinion.
I can't really prove it because we don't have an original Enoch.
We just don't have one.
There's rumors about that, but it's not public.
So that's the Enoch literature.
But it's very clear.
Wait a second.
What are the rumors?
Is there a copy?
I call it a rumor because I can't prove this either, but it's a part of the record.
John Strugnall was a Catholic priest, a professor at Harvard, and an Orientalist or Hebraist, if you will.
He could read Hebrew, ancient Hebrew.
And he was one of the young scholars who was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls back in the 1950s.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were mostly transported to a museum that the Rockefeller family, who were Edomites in my opinion, had financed this museum on the West Bank, right?
And from the 1950s, John Strugnall was on a team of mostly European and American scholars, mostly Christian scholars, who were deciphering these Dead Sea Scrolls.
And in 1967, the Israelis, in their Six-Day War, or one of those wars, had taken over the West Bank and they gained control of that museum where the Dead Sea Scrolls were.
They ejected all the scholars.
Even Jews, Jewish scholars, wrote books complaining that they could not access the scrolls.
From 1967 to 1992, the scrolls were shut down.
Only select Israeli archaeologists and linguists could access those scrolls.
Emmanuel Tob is the primary name that comes to my mind.
Giza Vermez was a Jewish Hebraist archaeologist who complained, he wrote a book complaining that he couldn't access the scrolls.
So, 1992 comes and the Israelis open up access to the scrolls to other credentialed academics, right?
And John Strognall was one of them, and he claimed, and his career was blown out of the water after this claim.
He claimed there was a full Aramaic Enoch among the scrolls that was missing in 1992.
He claimed that.
He wouldn't make that up.
No.
No.
Why would he?
So it's been either destroyed or hidden?
Why would he make that up?
Yeah.
Okay.
So Enoch probably is kosher, as it were, as a kind of source.
The apostles quoted Enoch, especially Jude, quoted him verbatim explicitly.
And that passage actually does survive in the Ethiopic Enoch.
I can't say off the top of my head whether it's in the Dead Sea Scrolls Enoch, but Jude cited Enoch.
So Jude must have had access to some writings that he believed were written by Enoch.
He must have had access to them.
Why quote them?
Do we imagine that the Apostle of Christ was just speaking off the cuff and flippantly when he said that?
No, of course he wasn't.
We shouldn't imagine that.
Right.
So if I'm just I want to go back to cover some ground we've sort of half covered.
Sell me the idea.
If I'm very skeptical, I can't possibly believe that the children of Israel became what we used to call Christendom and what we now call, I suppose, Europe, Europeans, white Europeans at that.
Sell it to me.
What evidence do you have that this is their origin?
Go through the Old Testament and look up every blessing given to Abraham and Jacob and write them down in a little list and the 12 tribes, write them down in a little list, all these blessings, prophecies for what they do in the future.
Right from the beginning where Abraham was told that he would be a nation, a company of nations, and Jacob collectively, Genesis 15, Genesis chapter 12, chapter 15, chapter 17, and especially the words to Jacob in chapter 35, that his seed would be a nation and a company of nations, that kings would come out of his loins.
When did this happen to Jews?
on the scale of the promises to Abraham that his seed would inherit the earth.
Jews never feel bad.
I mean, the children of Israel only really had what David and Solomon as.
I believe it's in Antiquities Book 11 that Josephus wrote that still in his time, there was an innumerable multitude of the nine and a half tribes taken off into Assyrian captivity, which is not quite accurate, but it's good enough for our purposes.
The nine and a half tribes taken off into Assyrian captivity were an innumerable multitude beyond the Euphrates until his day.
Who was beyond the Euphrates until his day?
There weren't any Jews in significant numbers that were beyond the Euphrates in the first century AD.
When I read, I've read all the geographies of the period, all I find beyond the Euphrates are the Scythians, the Goths and other tribes that came from the Scythians.
And I could wind back to Persian and Assyrian inscriptions to show how the Israelites taken into captivity by the Assyrians became the so-called Scythians or Chimerians or however you want to identify them, the Sacchae.
And the Greek histories demonstrate, beyond doubt, I'm talking about the early Greek histories, how those people, even with the anachronism in Homer, it doesn't disturb me, how those people eventually migrated out of the region of the Caucasus and eastern Anatalia,
which is modern-day Turkey, and around the Black Sea, around the Caspian Sea, and eventually into Europe.
Okay.
Can I ask you some questions?
Were the Romans descended from the children of Israel or were they separate?
Theodore Siculus wrote something very interesting, and he was citing an older historian.
I believe he was citing Hecataheus of Abdera, who wrote in the fourth century, I'm pretty sure that's who he had cited, when he said that not all of the strangers in Egypt had gone with Moses, that many of them had sailed across the Mediterranean Sea and established some of the notable cities of the Greek world.
And it's thin evidence, but Solomon is compared in wisdom to famous men who weren't necessarily men of his own time, even though at least one of them was.
And those famous men were all descended from a certain man of Judah.
And among those men are two names, Calcus and Darda.
And in Greek, I'm going to call it mythology.
But when I say mythology, I don't mean something that's made up, because a mythos in Greek is a mouth.
So mythology is word of mouth.
Logos is word, right?
Before they had a writing, they transmitted their histories and their culture by word of mouth.
That's what mythology really means.
So the mythological founder of ancient Troy is Dardanus.
And he came from the islands of the sea to get to Anatolia.
And the mythological founder of ancient Pamphylia, now Pamphylia is actually a name which means all tribes in Greek.
So it was multi, not necessarily multiracial, but certainly multi-ethnic, let's put it that way.
And Calchis was the legendary founder of Pamphylia in the earliest Greek poets.
And when I say that, I mean not only the epic poets Homer and Hesiod, but the tragic poets and Pindar and things like that.
And I'm speaking collectively.
I've read all those works.
But I can't always tell you what's in which one.
It kind of blends together over the years.
So just briefly, is it your theory that the Greeks, the ancient Greeks And the Romans are descended from children of Israel who'd gone into Egypt and then some of the Greeks.
Some of the Greeks.
If you read Homer in the I think it's the Odyssey, it might be the Iliad, I might be wrong, but I think it's the Odyssey.
He only mentions the Dorians as a people one time.
And all the mainstream academics pretend that the Dorians came from the north, following and taking out of context a statement by Thucydides, who was the historian of the Peloponnesian Wars.
And he was a general during those wars, so he lived in that time.
But Homer only mentions, and he talks about the regions north of Greece, but he doesn't mention any Dorians.
There were no Dorians in the armies of the Trojans or the Greeks.
He only mentions Dorians as being on Crete, which is about halfway between the Levant and Greece, an island in the Mediterranean.
Maybe a little more than halfway.
Well, Crete is where the Dorians are first mentioned, and all the legends of the ancient Greeks state that the Danons, who actually came from Egypt, and I believe they were a portion of the Israelite tribe of Dan that came from Egypt.
The time is right, the names are right, the legends match up very well with statements that a lot of the Israelites left Egypt by sea.
So the Dorians, after the Danans expelled the Heraclitae, who were the descendants of Heracles, from the Peloponnesus, then the Heraclidae went by sea and returned with the Dorians to execute vengeance upon the Danans for expelling them.
And that is allegedly when the Dorians had conquered the Peloponnesus.
And that's given to be the 11th century BC or just several generations after the Trojan War.
Paul of Tarsus in 1 Corinthians chapter 10 makes a very curious statement.
He's speaking to Corinthians.
Historically, the Corinthians are Dorian Greeks, and he tells them, all your fathers, all our fathers were under the cloud and in the sea, and do not sin as your fathers had and commit fornication.
Paul's telling them that in 1 Corinthians chapter 10.
And I'm paraphrasing, but it's pretty accurate.
So why would Paul tell the Corinthians, Dorian Greeks, that their ancestors were baptized in the cloud and the sea with Moses?
Yeah.
Okay.
And what I'm doing is I'm putting together the ancient Greek myths and legends with the promises in the Old Testament and the plain statements of the apostles in the New Testament.
Okay.
I think I read you say that the children of Israel were fair-skinned, blue-eyed, fair-haired?
there's evidence all over their own art, their surviving art, even from the first few centuries of what we might call Judaism.
Like what?
Well, for instance, there's a mosaic of David which was found in Gaza, what is now Gaza.
Well, it was Gaza then, too, but Gaza is a Persian word.
And this mosaic depicts David as having fair skin, ruddy cheeks, and blonde hair.
And it's very explicitly King David.
So that's how, and this mosaic is dated, I believe, to about the 4th century AD.
So that's how some 4th century individual identified David.
And it was found in a synagogue setting.
It wasn't found in a Christian setting.
And is this because they all came from Ur of the Caldees, and the citizens of Ur were also fair-skinned?
It can be pretty well demonstrated that all of the Genesis 10 nations, through archaeology, were originally what we would call white people today.
All of the descendants of Noah had to be the same race.
Otherwise, race should never matter in scripture.
The ancient Egyptians were Hamites, and there have been published studies in the last 15 years that ancient Egyptian pharaohs, going back as far as the 19th dynasty, which is the 13th century BC, were genetically nearly identical to Western Europeans and especially to British.
And that's exactly what I would expect.
The ancient Greeks depicted the Persians as having extremely white skin.
And that's mostly, my skin's red, it's not even white.
I'm very ruddy.
But parts of me are very white.
The ancient Persians were depicted as having ivory white skin by the Greeks.
And this has been recovered by scientists who were able at Harvard University who were able to identify the pigmentation on many Greek monuments which had been painted in antiquity.
But we only see them as stone monuments because the paint has been washed away with the sands of time.
So they've identified many pigments.
The Persians, and the Persians are described in Xenophon as having been strikingly white because they never worked without their clothing.
They were always dressed.
Where the Greeks were always naked.
The Phoenicians were always naked when they worked.
So they were very tan or sunburned.
Does that mean that the Persians were white?
Yes, the Persians were Shemites, and they were certainly originally white.
And were they descended from the children of Israel?
No.
No, they were descended from Shem.
Okay.
Whereas the children of Israel are from whom?
Persia is kind of a tribal mixed bag, but they all came from Genesis 10 nations originally.
When I say Persia, I'm referring to Elam, which is the south, the southern part, most part of Persia adjacent to the Persian Gulf is Elamaz.
It's just adjacent also to the Tigris River east of Mesopotamia.
So it's southern Iran, basically, it corresponds with today.
I'm looking at your skin, William, and I'm thinking, yes, you're definitely white.
I think if people were looking at me, they might think I'm a bit suspect.
I look kind of olive, olive skin color, don't I?
Yeah, you know, I'm half English, and most people say I favor my mother in appearance.
That's not entirely accurate if you saw my uncle, who my little brother looks more like my father, right?
So my brother is very pale rather than being so ruddy.
And I don't know, maybe I have high blood pressure, but I don't care.
I don't see doctors.
Well, I favored my mother in appearance, and she was quite ruddy also.
But we know a lot of people, and I even have kin on my father's side who descended from a brunette Irishman, and their skin looks a lot like yours.
But they're German and Irish.
So I don't discount people that have a brunette appearance.
That word brunette, it doesn't just describe hair.
That's a modern media oversimplification of the reasons for the ancient German distinction.
And blondes and brunettes, not all of us fall into one or the other category.
That's also a false assumption, modern assumption.
But people that were blonde were generally fair-skinned, yellow-haired, or light-brown-haired, and had blue eyes.
People that were brunette had probably a little more melatonin in their skin, a little tanner, if you will, and had brown hair and brown eyes.
And those words described one's overall appearance, not just one's mere hair color.
If you read ancient German poetry, such as the Niebelungenlied or even the Vitas, not the Vitas, I'm sorry, the Eddas, the Eddas, the Icelandic Eddas of Snorri, you'll see those distinctions being made in ancient Germanic literature, and they don't just describe hair color.
We've always had, even in ancient Greece, there's a line, I can't remember, it's somewhere in the tragic poets, it's about Tucher, I believe, who was called a man of a different hue, and if I'm not mistaken, he was a Trojan or from a different Greek tribe as the Greeks in Athens.
And he was described as a man of a different hue.
David was described as being very ruddy.
Solomon was described as having raven hair.
Hector of Troy was described as having raven hair.
And there's no...
But he had raven hair.
So whites have always come in a variety.
And even though sometimes in some places, especially in the Mediterranean countries, it's difficult to distinguish between a brunette and an Arab.
And the Arabs are definitely mixed.
It is difficult to distinguish that.
But you can't take a European and just throw him under the boat because we have many brunettes amongst us.
No.
So I suppose one of the things that makes me feel uncomfortable with your thesis, and I suppose, you know, being made to feel uncomfortable is no sign that it's true or untrue.
But as a Christian, I kind of like to believe that those who choose Christ are redeemed.
And it doesn't matter what their racial background is or ethnic origin, that they're a fellow Christian.
According to your thesis, are these people barking up the wrong tree?
Are they...
You know, Christ had said that they were...
I believe it's in Matthew chapter 7.
Many will cast out demons in my name.
Many will do this or that in my name.
And I will say to them, get away from me.
I never knew you.
Professing to believe Jesus is clearly not sufficient by itself.
Because those people profess to believe Jesus and even cast out demons in his name.
And he says, get away from me.
I never knew you.
That's about the basis he rejects them on.
So if you read the epistle of James to the 12 tribes scattered abroad, if you read the epistles of Paul of Tarsus, constantly talking about reconciliation, he had the gospel of reconciliation.
Because all the promises, if you read The prophecy of Isaiah is that Israel would be reconciled to God through their Messiah.
And that's a major underlying theme throughout all of the last 25 chapters of Isaiah, even though it's also found in the first 41 chapters.
So this theme, James the Apostle, wrote to the 12 tribes scattered abroad.
Very explicit language.
The revelation, the sealing of the 12 tribes and the innumerable multitude, when you get to the end of the Revelation in chapter 21, chapter 22, the last chapters, the city of God has the names of the 12 tribes of Israel on its gates.
All of the promises of God are for the 12 tribes of the children of Israel and nobody else.
Don't you think it's important to find out who those people are?
There are wider promises to the rest of the Adamic race found in Genesis chapters 3 through 9.
So those people aren't, the other Adamic nations are not discounted.
Are they not?
What do they get?
Well, if you read the wisdom of Solomon, which I believe should certainly be in canon, all of the race of Adam is created with God's eternal spirit.
But not everybody on this planet is of the race of Adam.
okay so So if, for the sake of argument, you and I are the chosen people, we're descendants thereof, who are the Gentiles?
That word Gentile is probably the worst translated and poorest understood word in an English Bible.
First, it's not an English word.
No.
It was an adaptation made by translators for their own theological, to support their own theological doctrines.
The word Gentile never meant non-Jew, not ever.
The word Gentilis in Latin describes someone of the same race or family.
And I could show you that in academic lexicons.
That's the original meaning of the word Gentilis.
So Jerome used that word in the Vulgate in the fourth century.
And it became popular to describe Christians as Gentiles.
But Jerome, even though he chose that word, and he chose that word to translate the Greek word ethnos, which is a nation, and he chose that word to translate the Hebrew word goi, which is a nation.
So Jerome used this word Gentilis on very many occasions to translate words that simply meant nation without any explicit reference to certain or particular nations.
So Jerome made that choice, but I would not want to suppose why Jerome chose that word, because there were other Latin words which meant nation.
The most obvious is natio, which is the Latin word from which we get our word nation, natio, pronounced in first century Latin.
So why did Jerome choose gentilis, which has an explicit meaning of someone of the same tribe or nation or race?
Why did he?
What's your theory?
I can't.
I'm not going to make any assertions considering his motives.
I can't do that.
Guessing another man's motives is probably the worst thing we could do, especially since the family lived 1,600 years ago.
So since the fourth century, since the Vulgate, it's just been the word's been copied by, made into an English word by translators.
Yes.
Is there any translation of the Bible that doesn't use that word?
Not to my knowledge.
That word was used in the Geneva Bible, which is the earliest English Bible that I've ever read.
I don't know if Kendall used it when he translated his Latin Bible into English.
I don't know.
I can't speak for it.
I've just been reading the book of Esther, and throughout my translation, I'm currently using the NIV, the New International Version, having previously read it in the King James Version.
And both of those translations use Jews to describe Esther and Mordecai and their people.
What is the oldest extant version of the Bible?
Is it the Septuagint?
Absolutely the Septuagint.
There are other Greek translations 400 years later that attempted to several people, Theodotion and Simachus.
Sometimes he's called Simachus the Ebionite.
There's one other.
It begins with an A. And I just don't have it in my head right now.
I'm sorry.
But these men had translated the Bible in the second century and third century AD, the Hebrew Bible, into Greek.
From a version that no longer exists.
Yes.
We no longer have any of the source material that they translated from.
No, we don't.
And there are clear discrepancies between the Hebrew copies used by Josephus and the Masoretic text.
And I could get into this.
I could talk about this for hours.
And there are the Dead Sea Scrolls.
I found it in Isaiah, the Dead Sea Scrolls usually agree with the Masoretic text rather than the Septuagint.
But sometimes they agree with the Septuagint rather than the Masoretic text.
It's really a mixed bag, and it takes a long time to get to the bottom of biblical manuscripts and how valid they are.
The Masoretic text has a lot of corruptions in it because of letter confusion.
If you look at Hebrew block letters and you look at the worst one, there are some other letters that are sometimes confused, but the worst one is the Vab, the Resh, and the Daleth.
Now the Vab is usually transliterated as a V or a W, either way.
And that was even a problem in Latin, whether the letter U should be pronounced as a V or a U or a W. So that was the letter Vab in Hebrew.
The letter Vab is very similar to the letter Resh, which is an R, is very similar to the letter Daleth, which is a D. And in many words and translations, it's very obvious that a resh was confused for a Daleth or a Vab for a Resh or those three letters constantly mixed up.
So a lot of that happened in translation.
There's also confusion over the letter TAV with the CAF, I believe it is.
But what happened to the original manuscript?
Do you think they were destroyed?
Time.
Papyrus.
Time.
Do you think it went down with the Alexandrian Library?
No, I think just faded in time.
And by the time of the Sethogen, it's now about, I'm going to take a shot, 280 BC, maybe 260 B.C. I think it was Ptolemy Laggai whenever he ruled.
That's when the stories passed down by Josephus and others.
That's when the Sethujen was created.
No later than 250 BC.
So by then, we're already halfway through the Second Temple history, the history of the Second Temple period, which was built in 520 BC, completed in 516.
So we're halfway through that period, and they decide to, during the Hellenistic period, to translate the scriptures into Greek.
And that is the effort represented by the Septuagint.
I say represented by because I don't know that the Sethrogen we have as it is today is pure from its original translation.
Okay.
So the other.
I just want to say there's a book that helps me a lot in my own translations and assessments of scripture called The Hexapla.
And it was made by Origin, but it only exists today in fragments.
But I refer to it very much in my writing, especially in my Old Testament commentaries.
Wow, that sounds quite recherche.
Yeah, it's only in Greek and Latin and Hebrew.
There's not a word of English in it.
No, well, I like that.
I like that kind of train spotter-ish obsessiveness.
That's good.
You're a man after my own heart.
Look, I can see, William, that we're going to have to have another conversation because for various reasons we got off to a late start.
And I've got a wife now who's back expecting me to make supper and stuff.
And so I'm going to have to peel off quite soon.
But I'm really enjoying this conversation.
So can we continue it on another occasion?
That's fine.
I could talk for years, literally.
I'm sorry.
There's so much I want to ask you.
We haven't even covered what it's like in prison and how you cope with that.
I mean, that's just a side story.
And I'm also interested in the different versions of the Bible and how you decide what's what.
But before we go, I wanted to ask you another key question, which is, oh, well, you didn't actually answer it, did you?
About in the KJV and the version of the Bible I'm reading, Esther's and Mordecai's people are described as Jews.
What does it say in the original translation?
What's the Greek word that is used for that?
First, I'll make a brief note about Esther.
It's not a legitimate book.
It's a second century BC fairy tale that made its way into the Bible over history and mostly due to politics.
But the Eastern Orthodox churches, if I'm not mistaken, to this day, most of them do not accept Esther in their canon.
And I know for a fact that through the entire medieval period, they did not.
But the Roman Catholic Church did.
Can I just say, I mean, just my feeling when I read it, it feels different from anything.
It doesn't feel like it's consistent with the other books.
It's not.
First, it's gross violations of God's law.
We have a queen that's race mixing, and she becomes the savior of...
Judahites, people of the tribe of Judah were not supposed to marry Persians, who were still pagans, especially.
There's no talk about converting him and three generations and the things, fulfilling the things of the law that would allow another man of another Adamic tribe into the congregation.
There's none of that.
She just marries him.
And that's a violation of the law right there.
But there's no, I can explain the entire history of Persian kings, the kings of Persia, during the 5th and 4th centuries BC.
There's no Persian king that fits the king of Esther where that agrees.
He's called Xerxes, isn't he?
It's supposed to be Xerxes, is that right?
Yeah, you know what?
If you say Xerxes, I'm going to assert that I believe it's the seventh year, the sixth year of Xerxes, he's supposed to be marrying Esther.
He's actually on the shores of Attica, ancient Greece mainland, and he's watching his ships go down in flames at the Battle of Salamis.
Salamis, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
This is where sort of biblical history and ancient history, as we understand it.
You need a Bible.
You can't understand the Bible unless you study ancient unless you really read the corpus of Greek histories and poets.
You don't have to read them all.
I haven't read them all.
I mean, it's hundreds and hundreds of them.
But I've read most of the significant ones.
There's a couple of missing, Plutarch and Ptolemy, who are kind of late, that I only have a secondary interest in.
But unless you read all that material, you're not going to understand the world in which the Bible was created.
And if you don't understand the world in which the Bible was created, you're not going to understand the context.
That's what made Paul of Tarsus special.
Most of the apostles of Christ were chosen purposely because they were men of very little education.
But Paul of Tarsus had a Greek education as well as a Hebrew education.
He could bridge that gap between the Hebrews of Judea and the pagan, Greek, and Roman worlds.
So that's why God chose him.
He needed somebody a bit more scholarly to take it to the next level.
Absolutely.
So, I...
Yeah, it's almost too big a subject, isn't it, to end the podcast with?
Because it's just going to...
It is, but the word Judehide...
The word should be Judahite.
Judahite.
So what is the Greek word for that?
Well, the Greek word for a Judahite, a person of Judah, would be Eudahios.
And it was applied to all the people that lived in what later became known as Roman Judea, who were keeping those customs, those Hebrew customs that they were keeping in Jerusalem.
So Eudahios is a Judean man.
And Eudahia, I-O-U-D-A-I-A in Greek, is Judea.
So the word in the Old Testament, the word for Judah is Yehud.
And the people of Judah collectively are Yehudim in Hebrew, but they would be Judah and Judahite in English.
And that's the way it should be translated all throughout the Old Testament.
And the words Judahia and Yudahia should be Judean or Judea all throughout the New Testament.
With the truth in mind, because it is a truth, that Roman Judea was a multi-ethnic province.
It consisted of Ishmaelites, Edomites, some people of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, right, that returned from Babylon.
Only 40, less than 45,000 people returned from Babylon.
There was a small remnant of Israelites remaining in the land ever since the Assyrian deportations, and that small remnant became the Samaritans.
But that's another mixed bag because there were some people that identified as Samaritans that weren't Israelites.
And all of these people identified as Judeans in the time of Christ.
And many of them were Edomites, Canaanites, Ishmaelites, or people of other races that converted.
And they're not the children of Abraham.
Or if they are, they're from the children of Abraham, such as Esau or Ishmael, who were explicitly excluded and even cursed.
Okay.
So basically what we've done, William, we've taken this can of worms and opened it.
And all the worms are exploding everywhere.
Yes.
And we're going to have to leave people in excitement at this worm situation until the next episode.
Because there's loads of more questions I want to ask you.
Anyway, it's been great chatting.
I'm glad we finally got it together.
Yes.
Thank you.
I'm sorry the road was bumpy at first.
But because of what I had to say, if somebody approaches me in a very general manner and says, hey, why don't you want to do a podcast on a psalm?
And I get the impression they don't know me.
And I don't want to interview anybody that doesn't know me a little bit up front because I'm so controversial.
I understand that.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
No, anyway, it's good.
It's very interesting.
And tell us where we can find your stuff.
My website is Christogenia.org.
It's Christo Christ, C-H-R-I-S-T.
O-G-E-N-E-A.
Christogenia is a word I coined probably in 2006 or 7.
And it has several meanings.
It could mean The race of Christ, it could mean the anointed race, or it could mean the birth of Christ.
Either way, it can be interpreted.
And maybe there's a fourth way I haven't realized yet, but it means all three of those things in either one of them.
And that's why I use the term Christogenia.org.
I can recommend your site.
I mean, it's an interesting read.
You've got lots of information.
Whether people think it's just crazy or whether they think it's founded is up to them.
But yeah, it's a good read.
And I want to find out more.
So thank you, William, again for speaking me, for braving the mosquitoes and alligators.
Thank you for having me.
And I'll hopefully see you again in the near future.
Yeah, you will.
You will.
You will.
There's loads of questions I want to ask you.
So, yeah, everyone check out William's site.
It's really interesting.
I mean, we quite like going down new rabbit holes, don't we?
And by the way, thank you for the rabbit hole about the Aramaic Book of Enoch.
Like very much.
There's so many digressions that I could take in the conversation.
I want more digressions.
Can you tell me about, for example, what's he called?
The body that they found in Iraq, that they've whipped away, the body of, what's it called, the giant king with the beard and the sword?
What's it called?
I'm not sure what body they found.
I haven't seen that article yet at Discovery Yet.
I don't see everything.
I can't possibly.
I might see it now.
I was talking to my chiropractor about the zoning this morning, and I've forgotten his name now.
Anyway, thank you, William.
Everyone knows.
I'll just say it's clear that many of the cities in Mesopotamia were ruben giants.
William, just beat me to it.
Gilgamesh, they found Gilgamesh's body.
He was the ruler of Iraq.
He's in the ancient inscriptions of the Assyrian kings, of the Sumerian kings, 24th, 25th century BC.
He was the king of Iraq in Mesopotamia.
Well, next time we speak, I want you to have done your homework, and your assignment is to go and find out about what happened to Gilgamesh's body.
All right?
Anyway, thank you.
I don't know if we're going to go.
I'll be in trouble.
But if a giant individual was found as a king in Mesopotamia or anywhere in those environs, Agob Bashan is another example, right, from the Bible.
He was the king of Bashan, which is an ancient area just east of the Sea of Galilee, as we know it.
So it could be any one of a long line of Nephilim.
No, it was Gilgamesh.
Definitely Gilgamesh.
Yeah.
It was the guy.
Anyway, look, I've got to go.
Thank you.
And everyone else, like, don't forget to support me.
I know some of you, just because I'm not very slick, you know, I don't come at you all the time saying, yes, you must just give me money.
Just remember that the reason you listen to my stuff is because I'm good and you want to support me, okay?
So just like, hello, hello.
I appreciate those of you who make the effort.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I really do.
And to you, freeloaders, I love you.
I love you.
But not quite as much as I love the people who actually put their money where their mouth is and support me.
