Brian Stein is living proof that your cellphone, 5G, even the electrics in your car are bad for you. A former high level company director, he suffers from electrosensitivity: the increasingly common condition in which exposure to even low levels of almost-ubiquitous EMF makes you very ill. Stein spills the beans on the stuff They don’t want you to know. For further information - or help - see his support organisation Electrosensitivity.org.uk
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Welcome to the Delling Pod, Brian Stein.
Brian, you've got a horrible story to tell us, which is going to, I think, going to turn us all into raging paranoiacs.
Not that there's not enough to be paranoid about already, but I don't want to sort of steal your thunder, but you've got a story to tell us about 5G.
Is that right?
Well, I've had an issue with 3G, 4G, 5G, and even more so when 6G comes along, because the reality is the more information that they try to carry on the wavelength, the more damaging it is to people.
And as I'm electrically sensitive, I get damaged more than most.
When did you, just take me back, when did you first discover that you were electrically sensitive?
It was the year 2000.
My job involved being a chief exec of a food company and I was traveling the country from Cornwall to the Midlands.
So I Would spend a long time in the car, and if I wasn't in communication with people, I would always feel guilty.
So I would spend a lot of time on the phone.
And in the early days, a lot of that time I would have picked the phone up and held it to my head because the reception was so poor.
And everything was fine until the year 2000.
And in 2000, I started to get some quite weird sensations when I was on the phone.
And those weird sensations eventually became pain.
I mean, quite specifically when I was on the phone.
So if I had the phone to my head, pain, took it away, pain went away straight away.
And sadly, that pain started to appear more and more quickly.
But like a fool, I didn't stop using my mobile phone.
I cut down massively and started to do some research.
Public Health England said it's perfectly safe, it can't damage you.
If there's anything it does, it's just temporary.
Don't worry about it.
And like a fool, I believed it.
And although I cut down my mobile phone use massively, on this particular occasion, I took some messages on my mobile phone, put it to my head, and it felt almost as if my eardrum would burst.
The pain was that intense.
So I have never used a mobile phone since then, October 2000.
But what I found in the next few days and weeks, I started to react to my car, to my computer, to the dishwasher, to the washing machine.
And I started to do some research and found that a whole host of the scientists in Sweden who developed the mobile phone had become electrically sensitive, like me.
And to enable those people to carry on working, developing the mobile phone, they shielded their house, they shielded their cars, they shielded their workplace so that they carry on working.
This is in Sweden.
And when the mobile phone was developed and was then becoming successful, what the company did was then they weren't run by techies, they were run by lawyers and marketeers and so on and so forth.
They fired all the people that were electrically sensitive.
And they started the story, that's not possible, it can't happen.
And all these poor people were left with no jobs and they were electrically sensitive.
So how many people do you think are affected by this problem?
Millions, millions of people.
Across the planet, millions, because this organisation that I'm involved with, the Radiation Research Trust and ESUK, Radiation Research Trust tries to disseminate the research so people can see it.
And ESUK tries to help people when they become electrically sensitive because it's quite a scary experience.
And the government's in denial, the doctors are in denial, it can't happen, it's impossible.
Meanwhile, these organisations like the ROT and ESUK are spreading across virtually every country in the world where people are becoming electrically sensitive and they can no longer work because the workplace is full of EMFs and Wi-Fi and whatever.
Yeah.
So in our organization at ESUK where we try to help people electrically sensitive, we have a thousand severely affected people who can't work, find it difficult to communicate with people.
But the biggest problem has been having a rapport with the media who don't want to know about this because it's not a conspiracy of people sitting together and deciding to ignore this.
It's simply a conspiracy of self-interest.
The people in the media rely upon this technology to do their jobs, so it can't be real.
The Health Protection Agency relies to the government on convincing people that this is all in the mind because the government is making millions of pounds of giving 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G and eventually 6G licenses.
Yes.
2000, was that even before the smartphone era?
It probably was.
I mean, the phone that I had in those days was pre-smartphone.
So knock era.
All I can say is, as we've moved into the development of smartphone and 5G, that there's more and more information being carried on the wavelength, and that is more and more damaging to human beings.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I haven't yet read The Invisible Rainbow which I understand has a lot to say about this as each generation of Yeah.
Yeah.
As each generation of kind of wireless technology or radio technology comes in, so the population suffers because we're not meant to be exposed to this EMF.
Is that right?
That's correct.
And what scientists who oppose us try to say is we've had these EMFs since time began.
What they don't tell you is, one, There's a million times a million more EMFs in the atmosphere now than there was then.
And none of this technology was digital.
Digital is not a wave.
So the wave form is not as damaging as what we've now introduced.
And by having digitalized it, we can carry more information on the wavelength.
So that's why everybody wants digital, because you've got more information on the wavelength.
And that's why more and more people are becoming electrically sensitive.
And when I became electrically sensitive in 2000 and went to a conference on this, I would say there was literally one or two people becoming electrically sensitive every year.
Five years later, it was one or two people every month becoming electrically sensitive.
Five years after that, it was one or two people every week becoming electrically sensitive.
Now it's somebody every day who will be contacting our helpline because they're becoming electrically sensitive.
And the problem is when you talk to people and you explain to them what they've got to do to not be ill, what they say to you usually, I can't do that.
I won't be able to do my job.
I can't do that.
And I say, well, you have a choice.
And usually I get a phone call from them two or three months later to say, I've had to back in my job.
I can't cope anymore.
I'm so sensitive now to these AMFs, I can't work.
I can't go into a supermarket.
That's really frightening.
I know how this works in that it's really hard nowadays to complete any form of transaction with your bank, for example, or even going to the gym, I find that my trainer has given me this app where I can do my sessions.
And it sounds very convenient because you can look up the videos to show you how it's done and stuff.
But actually, there was a time when we used to have little bits of paper and you just tick them off, wouldn't you?
And everything is designed to make you use your mobile at every opportunity.
But there are relatively simple ways of working with this without using your mobile.
So computers can all be hardwired.
Schools can all be hardwired.
Hospitals can all be hardwired.
It costs a little bit more money, but it's safe.
Is it?
It's hardwired.
So you're using a hardwired computer.
Well, obviously, you're a hardwired computer.
Yeah.
And so none of the nasty EMFs are attacking you?
No, I live in the countryside.
I live in a house that's reasonably distant from my neighbours, reasonably distant to a mass.
So I can live a relatively normal life if it's restricted.
As soon as I want to operate in a normal environment, like today, I was trying to book a holiday and trying to find a holiday, trying to get a hotel that doesn't have Wi-Fi is impossible.
Trying to get a holiday in a house where they can turn the Wi-Fi off and it's not attached to another house is quite difficult.
So holiday is difficult.
Work is difficult.
But I'm relatively fortunate.
The people I'm dealing with live in flats.
They can't turn the Wi-Fi off next door, the person above them, the person below them.
So many of them become suicidal.
And I know a number of people that have committed suicide because of this.
That's awful.
And the worst of it is, when you try to communicate this to the newspapers and to Public Health England, the garbage that they come out with is incredible.
Well, of course they don't want to know, because they're part of the system.
They're part of the problem.
Well, if you go back in time, whether you remember this, I don't know.
Sir William Stewart was head of the Health Protection Agency.
I took part in some research at Essex University to prove or disprove whether electrical sensitivity was real or not.
Basically, I had to travel to Essex and spend an hour in a shielded room where I didn't know whether the mast was on or off.
You went on the first occasion just to trial it, and basically I said, well, I can't tell you whether it's on or off.
It takes a little bit of time.
It's a bit like hay fever.
You know, if you go into a field of hay, you don't get hay fever in a second.
It takes a little bit of time.
It builds up and you and then you're bad.
Well, it's a little bit like that with EMFs for most people.
Some people are affected straight away.
Most people, it takes a little bit of time.
So I signed up for the three tests.
And on my first test, I was in the room for an hour.
And at the end of it, they wanted to know whether I thought the mask was on or off.
And I said, I think the mask was on, but I'll know better in half an hour or an hour's time.
And they said, well, fine, because we want you to fill in this diary and tell us what has happened before you come back the following week.
By the time I got home driving from Essex to Nottingham, I was in serious pain, serious distress.
I got home with serious cramps in my stomach and went to the toilet.
And the toilet bowl was full of blood.
And after that experiment on me, every time I went into a Wi-Fi environment, I would bleed internally.
That's not difficult to prove, but nobody wanted to know.
What happened to me was I insisted on colonoscopies every couple of years.
After six years of being told, nothing of the matter, nothing, nothing, nothing matter, and I know there is because I'm bleeding.
They then found that I've got colon cancer.
How long does colon cancer take to develop?
Six or seven years.
It was six or seven years after I became electrically sensitive.
That is horrible.
Right, but what's even worse is my grandchildren are born into this environment.
So that if it gets cancer, which the World Health Organization has now publicised as of two weeks ago, it's now give a warning to people that the research that has been done on 50 studies with animals is showing that EMFs, microwaves, cause cancer in animals.
Now, nothing has been put in the newspapers about this.
Nothing has been reported by the BBC.
So people are obviously making the decision, we don't want to communicate this.
What do we do?
And I know from a number of scientists, the problem at the moment is the authorities don't know what to do because of all the things that you just said.
Our society works with wireless.
The banking system can't work without it.
What do they do?
Well, if you look at the BBC Panorama programme about this particular subject, Sir William Stewart was interviewed.
Sir William Stewart was head of the Health Protection Agency.
He explained his fears of the research that he was seeing and he summed it all up by saying we should not be putting wireless in schools, in junior schools.
Shortly after that, the HPA was disbanded.
Sir William Stewart was removed from his job and all the people that now work in that area basically don't communicate with you.
They're part of Public Health England.
And if you want a conversation, you have it with Public Health England and they will simply spout, ICNIRB says it's safe.
ICNIRB is part of the World Health Organization and they are meant to regulate the science of this.
If you look at ICNIRB, what you find is all the members from across any country are the people that shout the loudest that everything is safe.
There's nobody on ICNIRB who has any doubts of this not being safe.
And they all have conflicts of interest in the same way that the government has a conflict of interest.
They make a lot of money out of this.
Am I right in thinking that in quite a few European countries, Wi-Fi is banned in classrooms?
I think in Germany it's banned.
I think in France it's banned.
Well I think it's school by school.
I don't think it's a national ban.
But what you've got happening around Europe now is that the regulations that the UK has adopted, ICNERB, which allow this level of EMS and no more, other countries are now introducing levels of this, of this and this.
And the UK steadfastly adheres to this level, which is the highest in the world.
Britain and America have the highest permitted electromagnetic fields that are around the world.
These countries you're mentioning, including Brussels, including Italy, these have introduced new levels of safety that are significantly safer.
Right.
That thing you mentioned about hotels is a bit disturbing as well.
I mean, I'm conscious of that when I go and stay in a hotel, especially in London, especially somewhere like one of the kind of the chain hotels.
And you're thinking, I am surrounded by so much EMF here and there is no escape.
Yeah.
I used to stay in hotels in London for my job.
And what I would end up staying in, I'm going back years ago now, is either very, very expensive hotels or very, very cheap hotels because those were the hotels that didn't have Wi-Fi.
The block in the middle were all putting Wi-Fi in.
And I wasn't particular equation, it was quite amusing because I stayed at this particular hotel and it was fine for me.
I had no problems at all.
And so I booked it again a couple of weeks later and I went back.
And all the things that happened to me, I couldn't sleep.
I woke up in the morning after having the most unrestful night imaginable.
I went to the toilet and I was bleeding.
And I couldn't comprehend this because I'd been there a few weeks before and I was fine.
So I'm looking around all the literature to see whether they've introduced Wi-Fi and they haven't.
So totally confused.
When I came back the next time in London, I deliberately went to the hotel and I went to the room where I'd stayed first off with my acoustic arm meter, which tells you the levels of Wi-Fi.
And it was clear.
There was no Wi-Fi.
The room that I'd stayed in first was totally clear.
I then went to the other end of the hotel, put my acoustometer on, and it was buzzing frantically.
And it wasn't from the hotel, it was from next door or across the road.
And that was what was affecting me.
Which device do you use to measure this stuff?
Are they expensive?
There's a whole host of different devices that you can use.
The problem these days, I use an acoustic ob, which basically is a very simple mechanism where you turn it on, and what it does, it converts microwave to noise.
The more noise this made, the worse it was for me.
But I got to the stage of not using it anymore because my body was more aware of the EMFs than the acoustical.
I didn't need it.
As soon as I was in an EMF environment, my body was telling me something's the matter.
I didn't need a meter.
But you'll find most of these people who are electrically sensitive, they all have a meter, different meters.
It's much more difficult now because the meters in those days used to tell you what the levels were.
Nowadays, with the signals that are coming, there's quite a lot of different signals.
You need a very, very expensive piece of kit to pick up all the different frequencies.
So people who basically can't work and are not very well, they can't afford these kind of things.
What are the...
What are the worst sources of EMF these days?
Well, if you live very close to a mast, you're in trouble.
When you say very close, how close do you mean?
Well, I'm dealing talking to people who have had a mask put outside their bedroom window.
Okay.
These people are seriously affected.
This is a 5G mask.
This is 4G or 5G.
If it's 5G that they're now putting in, but it's 4G as well.
And ICNEB, who regulate this, have now started to warn people that around masks there should be an exclusion zone because they're not safe.
And depending on the power of the mask, will depend on how big the exclusion zone is.
Now, people who work in our councils and give permission for masks to go up don't understand any of this.
They're absolutely clueless.
So they'll give permission for a mask to go up where somebody's bedroom will be in the exclusion zone.
They don't understand what's going on.
Who should be enforcing this regulation?
Or isn't it a regulation?
It's just advisory?
Well, if you go back in time when Sir William Stewart was there, it was the Health Protection Agency and it was their job to enforce these things.
People that are there now are basically, they saw their boss get fired for going on panorama and warning people.
So they all keep quiet.
Nobody wants to say anything.
They're frightened to say something.
Yeah.
So the regulatory body, is this on the books, this regulation?
I mean, is it statutory?
Our councils, do councils have a duty of care to enforce this kind of thing or it's the most lax regime about anything that can harm you.
And if you think about it, what they have deliberately done is they've taken away the responsibility of the manufacturer and the provider, who should be responsible.
If they damage you, they should be responsible.
They're not.
ICNEB are responsible and ICNEB will set the level that EMFs are allowed.
So so long as they set the EMF level below that, they're okay, they're doing their job.
When I attended a session in Brussels a number of years ago, they had the European politicians there, they had the mobile phone providers, and they had ICNERB.
And basically, the people from the European Union stood up and basically said, we listen to all the signs from ICNIRB and we adopt it.
So if anything goes wrong, not our fault.
And then the mobile providers came on and they said the same thing.
We adopt all the regulation that we're told to by ICNERB.
So if there's something else going on causing a problem, not guilty, it's not us.
And then ICNERB came on.
And what ICNERB said was, we regulate the thermal effects of microwaves, the heating effects of microwaves.
If there's another mechanism that's going on causing this problem, nothing to do with us, that's down to individual countries.
Now, if you listen to the UK, all they spout all the time is they're below ethno-regulations, they're below echno regulations.
So you can be guaranteed if you get cancer, it's not been a thermal effect, it's not been a heating effect, something else is going on.
And all the science, all the research that is published, and there's thousands of studies, thousands of them, are done below the ICNIR levels.
And ICNIR ignore this, and I think it's because their view is that's not possible.
Well, it's their view by design.
Correct.
Correct.
And all those people that sit out on ECNIB think it's impossible for it to do you any harm.
But now, their parent company, the World Health Organization, they've conducted a study of studies.
And this happened a month or so ago and it was published.
And there's 50-odd studies, animal experiments, where rats and mice are getting cancer.
And they've just published the results of looking at all these 50 studies.
And what they're saying is there's convincing evidence.
Now, convincing evidence in scientific terms means proof.
They never use the word proof, they use convincing evidence.
So there is convincing evidence of heart runomas, there's evidence of brain tumours, and there's lots of incidence of cancers in other organs of the body in these rats and mice.
One of these studies that was done was done in the Obama regime.
They spent $20 million.
They tried to dismiss the work and our organisation, the RRT, invited the researcher that headed this up to the UK to talk about his research.
We invited the HPA, they didn't turn up.
We invited the press who said they would turn up and didn't turn up.
So basically, there was this wonderful presentation.
You come across from America to show the results of the study that they'd spent $20 million on showing convincing evidence of cancer.
And there's nobody there from the helper texting emergency.
They didn't want to know.
MPs didn't want to know.
I can well believe it.
There's actually something analogous to what you're describing.
Have you ever looked into wind turbine noise?
Yes, because they were wanting to put one up at the back of my house and I was frightened of that.
And when I looked at that, I thought, hang on a second, I don't have a wind turbine at the back of my house.
So the most respected acoustic engineers in the business have conducted studies into the effects of low frequency noise, infrasound, and intermittent noise on animal and human health.
And they found that if you have a wind turbine, certainly there shouldn't be a wind turbine within four or five miles of your home.
That's how bad it is.
And these regulations were passed, I think, called ETSU.
And the regulations were designed to do what the regulation on the installation of 5G and 4G masks designed to stop people being injured by it.
These regulations are not enforced.
They're completely ignored.
And I think you'll probably agree that the government and the various institutions that are profiting by this, they don't care, they don't want to know.
And in fact, they are able to flout regulations with the permission of the system.
The system does not want to enforce this stuff because the system doesn't actually want this harmful stuff out there.
Right, but what they've got to start recognising now, now that the World Health Organization has said this, years ago, people used to get cancer in their 60s and 70s.
My two children, who've obviously got my genes, they're not electrically sensitive, both in their 40s have got cancer.
And interestingly enough, it was a publication a little while back, I think it was from Turkey, and they'd done experiments in the laboratory of tissue from different organs and found that the two organs that were most sensitive to EMFs, microwaves, were the thyroid and the colon.
One of my daughters has thyroid cancer, the other one has colon cancer.
And they're in their 40s.
Now, my children were not born or conceived in a microwave environment.
The children of today, my grandchildren, are born, conceived in a microwave environment.
They won't be 40 when they get cancer.
They'll be in their 30s, possibly in their 20s.
Yes.
Because of course, if you wanted to be, you'd like to think, wouldn't you, that children exposed to this stuff in the age of microwave would somehow be better prepared, better suited for this environment than those.
But it doesn't work like that, does it?
It doesn't work like that.
Children and the very old are the most sensitive because their immune system is either being established or starting to give problems.
So the very young and the very old are the people that you've got to be most concerned about.
So what do we do?
We put wireless in junior schools and infant schools.
We put wireless in all the hospitals.
When I got colon cancer they wanted to remove half my colon and I said to the surgeon, okay that's fine.
So long as you can give me a bed in a hospital that is not in a Wi-Fi environment, that's fine.
We can't do that.
We can't do that.
Then I'll live with it then.
We'll see what happens.
And it just so happens what they did when they examined me, they removed the polyp.
They sent it off for an analysis and it was cancerous.
They weren't certain whether it had spread beyond what they had removed or not.
To play safe, they wanted to remove my colon.
And in the end, the surgeon said to me, look, when they decide whether you should have an operation or not, it's not me that makes this decision.
It's a group of half a dozen people.
And I was wanting to study you and come back every six months or so for an examination, but he was outvoted.
They wanted to play safe and remove my colon.
So what we did, we didn't play safe.
I went away and I went back for colonoscopy.
And my very next colonoscopy, having said he would monitor me for three years, at my very next colonoscopy, he said, you are totally clear.
There is not a problem there anymore.
So and that was the result of putting yourself out of an EMF environment?
That was putting myself at Essex University next to a mast to prove or disprove whether this technology made people electrically sensitive.
But your health has been okay since because you've taken precautions to stay out of EMF.
Is that right?
Is that is right.
I've then got prostate cancer and I've had radiotherapy for that.
And at the moment, as he's touching wood, I've been given the all clear.
But this is what is going to happen more and more.
And if you look at the prostate cancer cases, the colon cancer cases, the thyroid cancer cases, they're rocketing.
Thyroid cancer cases have gone up something like 200% in a couple of years.
Somebody should be waking up to this.
Isn't radiotherapy itself a form of EMF?
Yes.
Yeah.
And it's a balance between how much they give you to harm you and how much they give you to cure you.
And that's true of all people, not just electrically sensitive people.
What can't you do?
Can you go shopping?
In what sense, sorry?
Well, I mean, you live in a house away from other houses.
You've got your computer hardwired and stuff, so you've got no Wi-Fi.
When does life get hard for you?
What situations do you have to avoid?
Too long in a Wi-Fi environment.
If I get affected badly, I have a bedroom that is shielded.
Floor, walls, ceilings, completely shielded.
The EMFs in there are next to nothing.
And I was fortunate.
Sorry?
That costs a bit to set up, doesn't it?
Yeah, I'm fortunate.
I was able to do that.
Other people can't.
How much does it cost to set up one of those rooms?
Many thousands of pounds.
And do you get specialists who come and do it?
I had a specialist who described to me what I needed to do, and I got an architect, discussed it with him, and he supervised the installation.
And what do you need to do?
What you've got to do basically is create a Faraday cage, which means that you've got to provide floor, ceiling, and all the walls, metalised.
The windows have got to be metalised glass.
So it insulates the room, but it reflects EMFs.
So if you've got a mast outside, the metal will be reflected.
Does that mean you can't have the window open?
It means I shouldn't have a window open, yes.
Right.
And that's what I have in my bedroom and I use it when I get into trouble.
And normally in the past, it's been a day or two and then I've been okay again.
The problem I have now is having been electrically sensitive for 25 years, what I find is when I am affected, it takes me much longer to recover.
Right.
I try not to be affected and I'm pretty good at doing that, but when I am, I know I'm in trouble for a period of time.
Can you go on aeroplanes?
Yes and no.
I can easily go on an aeroplane.
The engine and the cockpit is well shielded, so there's no effects on the plane.
However, that's only short haul.
I can't go on long haul because you've got TVs in your headrests, you've got televisions in front of you, you've got a whole host of electronics to entertain people on their flight.
I cannot cope with that.
So I can't fly long haul.
And I've been invited as far as The west coast of America and China to talk about this subject, and I can't go.
How annoying.
Tell me, one of my bugbears is televisions in hotel rooms.
Do they give off EMF?
A lot?
It's not a lot compared with masts or a mobile phone, but the problem with televisions is kids will sit in front of them, too close to them, for hours and hours and hours and hours.
Yeah.
So it's the big enemy, Does that ring true?
Yeah, well, certainly I've been told the same thing by one or two scientists in America.
It's particularly true in America where the colon cancer rates are rocketing.
They are certainly increasing in the UK and I used to keep my mobile phone in my pocket, which is why I think that I probably got prostate cancer.
But it was interesting when I was working before I retired because of my death in service benefits, I had to have a medical every year.
And during my medical, what I would do was ensure that I told them I was electrically sensitive and then I would answer any questions they had.
Generally speaking, they'd ask what it is and then they didn't want to know anymore until my last examination.
And the doctors looked at me and he said, well, can you tell me what that's like?
How does it feel?
And I described a little bit.
And he said to me, sorry, I said to him, well, why do you want to know?
Because it's the first doctor that had ever been interested.
He said, well, for the simple reason, I keep my mobile phone in my top pocket and I'm getting heart palpitations.
Well, I had to laugh.
I said, yes, don't keep your mobile phone in your pockets or your top pocket because you will be affected.
I mean, I know some people carry their phones around in Faraday type cages.
And that's what I found with all the scientists.
That's what they do.
Is it?
The people who have done research in this area, because they all had a mobile phone.
And I'm saying to them, what have you got a mobile phone?
And they smiled at me and they showed me how they kept it.
And it's in a pouch that is a little bit like my shielded room.
No EMFs can get in or out.
If they want to use a mobile phone, they use a speakerphone for a few minutes and then they put it back in their pouch and they close it down because they know it causes brain tumours.
A speakerphone?
What?
You mean the attached to the wire, a microphone?
Your mobile phone on a speakerphone, can't you?
Oh, I see.
So what they've done is a lot of people have now recognised that it can cause brain tumours.
And if you put it to your head, it can cause brain tumours.
So now they use it as a speakerphone.
The problem with that is they put it here.
By the thyroid.
By their thyroid.
And which is the most sensitive organ to EMS?
The thyroid.
Oh, whoa, that's, yeah.
Yeah, it makes me worry for my children because they use their phones.
I don't like my mobile phone.
I increasingly consider it to be the enemy.
And when I travel with it, I travel with on an airplane mode.
Does that defend you or not?
Yeah, I know a number of people that will keep it on airplane mode and that's better.
I'm so sensitive now.
I just, I don't want to know.
I didn't have a mobile phone.
I had one when I worked.
I stopped using it.
And I got into trouble with my wife because frequently I'd be on a train and the train was going to be late.
And I had to speak to people and say, can you do me a favour?
Can you ring this number and tell my wife I'm going to be late?
And they'd give me their mobile phone and I'd say, no, no, no, no, can you do it for me?
And I would have to explain to them why.
Until eventually my wife insisted that I got a mobile phone and use it as texting.
So now I have a mobile phone.
I never have it on unless I go to London or Birmingham or whatever.
And I take the phone with me and it's turned off.
It's not a smartphone.
And if I need to communicate with my wife to let her know I'm going to be late and she's picking me up, I just text and then turn it off.
But surely every because everyone nowadays has a smartphone and is on it all the time.
If you're in a train carriage, you're surrounded.
I mean, you might as well have your...
mean does does that two two foot difference distance make a difference does that When I first became electrically sensitive, if I was talking to you and you were a couple of feet away from me, I would know if you had your mobile phone on or off.
I can't do that now.
I couldn't detect if you were next to me, I couldn't detect whether your phone was on or not.
Oh, so you have improved slightly?
Well, I'm not too sure.
The way that I describe it, it's a little bit like an onion.
And as you become electrically sensitive and are exposed, you have a wrapper of that onion that comes off.
And then you don't feel it quite so much.
But when you do, you're worse.
Yeah.
So you have to be careful.
And the truth is that the people who are getting electrically sensitive now are people who work in the industry.
They're BT engineers.
They're people who are teachers.
These are highly educated people.
They're not idiots.
They work out themselves what is happening to them.
And once you become hypersensitive, it's not difficult.
What can people do?
I mean, what would be your sort of list of things that people should do in order to minimise?
Well, the worst thing at the moment is schools.
And the problem is, because the government's in denial and the health protection industry is in denial, nobody is warned.
Man is quite ingenious.
Once he recognises that there is a problem, he will find ways around it.
But because we're in denial, nobody's working on improving this problem.
Working on how do they make it better for themselves to make more money?
So once we get into the stage of actually recognising this, and two weeks ago was the first stage of this, it was the World Health Organization saying these contraptions, masks and mobile phones cause cancer in animals.
Now, the problem with that is, unless they publicize that more than they have done, nobody knows.
People still look at me as if I'm mad when I say I'm electrically sensitive and so are you.
And if you ignore the science, you will be liable to get cancer as you get older.
But it's not just that.
It causes fertility problems.
Yeah, sure.
It causes dementia.
There's a whole myriad of pieces of research showing all the different problems caused by this.
And there's a publication called the Bioinitiative Report, which I actually paid for to be publicised because it was all in a manual.
The manual was about this thick.
There was that much research.
Nowadays, it's online.
If you go online, you will see some environmental scientists from America that publish this book online.
And you can see there's a chapter on cancer, there's a chapter on electrical sensitivity, there's a chapter on everything.
All of this ignored.
If you send me a link, I can put it in the blurb at the bottom of this podcast so that people can read it.
Will you do that?
Yeah.
So presumably you've got a list of villains.
So you don't use a mobile, a smartphone ever, really.
Is that right?
I don't have one, never use one, and I don't use anybody else's.
No, by you, I mean, to the perspective person protecting themselves from EMF, you would recommend not using a mobile phone, just cutting out of your life?
I would recommend not using a smartphone and use an ordinary phone for texting.
Okay.
And we also argue with our society is don't use things that are of high risk, which this is, for entertainment.
People play games for hours and hours and hours on their phones and tablets and whatever.
By all means, if you need to research something, use it.
But you're being encouraged all the time for using this technology for frivolous means.
Yes.
Shouldn't be done.
Here's another one I suspect is really bad.
Wireless headphones.
Yeah, very bad.
And I don't use wireless headphones at all.
And I would encourage people not to use them.
Wireless headphones.
Then don't live anywhere near, well, if you've got a choice.
Try not to live too close to a mast.
Spend as little time as you possibly can in Wi-Fi environments.
If you have Wi-Fi, turn it off at night.
If you can't do without it, turn it off at night because that's when the body is recovering.
And whilst you're in a Wi-Fi environment, you're not recovering.
Yes.
And what should really happen is they should make this technology so that you can turn it on and turn it off.
Turn it on when you're using it, turn it off when you're not.
But they deliberately encourage you to have it on 24-7.
Yeah.
And they want you to have your mobile phone 24-7 because the way that the phone transmits, it doesn't just use masks, it uses your phone to continue the process.
Yes, I see that.
Okay, so mobile phones, wireless headphones, don't allow babies to be in an environment where they're using wireless.
Wireless to watch them, wireless to listen to them.
Use the old-fashioned techniques of going and have a look and checking that they're okay.
Yeah, so baby alarms are bad.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can see that.
Babies, because they have no defense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So TV, not as bad as all the other stuff, but still pretty bad.
Yeah, but what I find these days is you can't have a TV without wireless.
No.
So all this technology is being used, and instead of simplifying it so you can actually watch television, no, no, no, you've got to have your wireless on to watch television now.
But What about microwave ovens?
Whenever my wife has the microwave oven on, which she uses, I get out of the room and encourage her to stand well away from it because there's this fallacy that they're so well shielded, no microwaves get out.
Rubbish, absolute garbage.
And sadly, going back when I first became electrically sensitive, I found an article about a German scientist and he did work with microwaves and found just that.
The amount of microwaves that were coming out of the oven was dangerous.
And he published a paper on it.
He was attacked by the media and other scientists, so much so that he committed suicide.
His reputation was destroyed by other scientists.
This is.
Han, can I give me one second, Brian?
I'm dying for a pee.
I'm not, I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
Yeah, everything you say makes so much sense, and it is shocking how little of this stuff makes it out into the media.
Yeah, and the other thing I would say is don't have an electric car.
Interesting.
That's a good one.
Well, if I go back, I'm probably going back five or six years now.
The Israeli government decided to introduce electric cars for all their police vehicles and they ordered however many police cars they needed from Japan and they took them across to Israel who did some tests on them and they sent them all back.
And what they said was with the police equipment that you need in a car, and I'm going back six or seven years, plus the battery of an electric car was dangerous for human beings.
Now, the entertainment that we now have in a car, the technology today, is as high-tech as the police cars in Israel six or seven years ago.
So we're going to have all this high-tech wireless in the cars, the way they talk to each other, the connections are all wireless.
And we're going to have the batteries as well.
And some people will be in the cars for hours and hours and hours and hours.
And I promise you, again, this will cause increases in cancer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was only in an electric car for about 30 seconds and I had to get out.
Did you?
Yeah.
Well, as you say, you're a better tester than a device because you can feel it instantly.
Almost instantly.
Wow.
I was going to ask you about something else.
Oh, yeah.
You must have seen these videos of these kind of 5G and 4G sort of local, localized versions, where they're placed next to a tree, and the side of the tree that is nearest to this device goes all dead.
I mean, are those for real?
Well, the truth is, I don't know because I've never experienced it, but certainly I've seen lots and lots of those kind of pictures of trees that will be damaged, that are closest to wireless.
In the same way, I've heard lots and lots of people say, you go along where they've put in these 5G masts and look at the bottom of them in the morning and see all the dead intracts that are there.
I've not witnessed that myself because I've not gone, I don't want to be stuck next to the plumbing mast anyway, so I don't know.
But there's lots of things that people could do in experimentation to see whether these things are fascinating.
The UK has done no real research in wireless communications.
I'll give you an example of some of the research that they do and why it's fascinating.
Going back again about eight, ten years ago, there was a little bit of a worry about putting Wi-Fi in schools.
And health protection agencies said Everything's safe, everything don't worry about it.
And they didn't convince a lot of people, they were so nervous.
So, the Health Protection Agency spent £200,000 doing some tests.
What did they do?
They went into a school, they took the ICNA standards and checked whether they were below the ICNERD standards.
Now, I'll tell you now, they will be below the ICNIR standards, 100% below the LiCLAR standards.
But that doesn't prove they're safe because the reason that people were nervous, the reason that people were starting to panic, was all the research that had been done was below the ICNIRD standards.
They were finding cancers, they were finding dementia, they were finding fertility problems.
So, why go along and convince people that they're okay because they're below the ICNERB standards?
It was a joke.
It was a waste of £200,000.
And that's the kind of research that gets done in the UK.
They only do the research when they know what the answer is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Has this have your experiences changed your understanding of how the world works?
Well, I suppose what it's made me understand is how powerful self-interest is.
And if you have enough people with enough self-interest, and it's money often the case, that they can believe anything they want to believe.
And sadly, this can be people that are responsible for our health, the World Health Organisation, the governments, Public Health England.
They will be tempted by what they think the government wants and does.
And when you fire Sir William Stewart, that makes people sit up and take notice.
Who fired him, by the way?
Well, my understanding is that he was actually fired by Tony Blair.
Tony Blair was the Prime Minister at the time.
It was just the end of his reign and he was removed from office.
Now, how much of that is true or not true, I don't know, but I get it from somebody that actually spoke to Sir William Sewell about it.
Well, give me your postage stamp take on Tony Blair.
I think that he was a brilliant Prime Minister, but it had to be Tony Blair's way.
My take on him now, because of this, is that he allowed the economy to be much more important than people's health.
And that taints him in my eyes because of that.
And I don't think that people like Sir William Stewart, Sir William Stewart is a very honourable man and a very good scientist.
He was not somebody to be taken lightly.
And he was damaged as a result of going on that Panorama programme.
And the BBC have removed it from the, you can't see it now on the BBC website.
That's interesting.
Not surprising, I have to say.
Do you ever, in your darker moments, wonder whether they're not merely negligent, but that they actually want to, they want it, they want to kill us.
That's part of the plan.
I don't think I've become that extreme yet.
Give it time, yes.
But I will be very interested with what happens with WHO now saying this course is cancer.
Because I hope, I pray that within our society there are some honourable people that will actually pursue this and start looking and realising what the research is telling you.
And that's what Sir William Stewart was finding.
And we're going back 14, 15 years ago.
Sir William Stewart was trying to give the warning about we need to debate about this because something's not right.
Yeah, I'm not sure that the WHO has a particularly good track record of protecting public health.
I mean, it was the WHO behind it.
And that's why it's fascinating what they've done because you have two organizations in the World Health Organization.
One is ICNIRB that regulates this.
The other one is IARC.
And IARC rule on carcinogens.
And they're at odds with each other.
And ICNIRB is full of PR people.
These are not worthy scientists.
The people who look after the IARC, I think are.
They're good scientists and they wanted to guess at the truth.
And I actually saw the head of IARC at a conference and I've spoken to him in the past and he's an honourable scientist and I think he's a good man.
But he wouldn't get too involved in this because he realised that that wasn't his job.
When I saw him just before he was retiring, he actually teached me to one side and he said, the problem was one, we've got a major problem with pesticides and the Americans are threatening to remove their money from the organization because they're supporting, because they export a lot of pesticides.
Like to say it.
It happened within six months or so, it has died down because there's been a load of American research showing that these pesticides were lethal.
And the other thing that he said to me is more and more he's looking at science on EMFs.
And when you read the paragraph at the front of what the research was about, often it's not like the word that's underneath it.
You'll have sentences that everything's safe or things are okay, there's nothing to worry about.
And when you look at the actual science that's in there somewhere, but it takes hours to go through, that's not what the research is showing.
People are distorting their results, it's being peer-reviewed and nobody's picking it up.
And he was very frightened of that.
And it's interesting that he was involved in this study that's just taken place and been published of 50 animal studies with the results showing that this technology is causing cancer in animals.
Yeah, I mean, often the way that they can only get away with saying this stuff when it's right at the end of their career and they're no longer job dependent.
Yeah, it was interesting because the number two, I met with Sir William Stewart.
I did an article in a newspaper on one occasion and it actually got me an interview with Sir William Stewart.
He quizzed and questioned me for about an hour.
At the end of it, he said he obviously recognised I was not a lunatic, I was not exaggerating.
And he asked me would I get involved in the next bit of research they're going to do on electrical sensitivity.
And I said, yeah, happy to.
So he introduced me then to his chief exec and the chief exec number two to have a meeting.
And I explained to him what he'd said, explained to them what he'd said.
And basically, what they said was, we don't need your help.
There's not going to be any more research.
We've done the research.
It's not real.
It's all fine.
Nothing to see here.
But interestingly enough, what you've just said about somebody retiring, when he retired, he was a professor from Nottingham University previously.
And when he retired, he met with the media and he warned the media as he was retiring in a couple of weeks' time that we don't know enough yet or it could be a problem.
So he was wiping his hands of it.
I'm warning you as I step out the door and I thought, Challoner, Professor Challoner, and I thought, well, that's typical.
There's a guy who's been fighting all his life to denial that there's a problem, there's a problem, but he didn't want that to be the memory for him when he retired.
Yeah.
Front page headlines in The Times and The Guardian and whatever.
But then they forgot about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So if people want to get in touch with your organisation, I mean, that's presumably the starting point to find out.
If it's the science about cancer and so on and so forth, go on the Radiation Research Trust website and look at that and email the website and they'll eventually get in touch with me.
If it's people who've become electrically sensitive, there's an organisation called ESUK and if they go and leave messages on that, then one of the trustees will get back to those people and help them.
Is there stuff you can do to help them?
Because I mean people are going to be desperate, aren't they?
People are very desperate.
Sometimes there's not a lot you can do with people that live in a flat, for example, and all their neighbours have got wireless other than to say to them you need to move house.
Well, I can't move house.
I've got no money.
So it's very desperate, those kind of situations.
So when you tell Public Health England that, they're not interested.
They don't want to know.
No, they don't.
And how are your children doing?
Are they in remission, I mean?
My youngest daughter has had half removed and at the moment she's been given the all clear.
They gave her an option of having the whole of the thyroid removed and being on tablets for the rest of her life or simply have it monitored.
So she's elected to have it monitored.
So at the moment she's got the all clear and she's doing okay.
And my other daughter had one-third of her colon removed just before Christmas.
And the latest results have been she's now all clear.
So thank goodness, my two daughters appear to have detected it early enough and it had not spread.
Well, I'm sorry to hear of all your travails and your family's travails.
It's awful, but I suppose it will help people, shock people into maybe making some decisions about what to do about the Wi-Fi and stuff in their life.
Because I mean, you've made me think.
So thank you.
And thank you for the work you do helping out people with this problem.
And thank you for interviewing me.
I hope that you can get the message across to people that will actually listen and then do a little bit of research themselves and see that everything that I'm saying is there in the research.
Great.
Well, I will put your organization's details in the blurb below this so people can get in touch.
And if you've enjoyed this podcast, I mean, okay, been a bit depressed by it, but if you've found the information helpful, don't forget, keep subscribing to my stuff.
Okay.
Promise I will.
Oh, no, I was addressing mainly the viewer and listener now.
The viewer and listener.
You don't have to, Brian.
We all do like that.
It just doesn't have a lot of fun.
It just doesn't have a lot of fun.
Think about supporting me on Substack or on Patreon and support my sponsors, of course.
But yeah, keep listening and spread the word.
And don't use your mobile phone.
All right.
Get rid of your Wi-Fi.
Thanks again, Brian Stein.
Thanks for your time.
Thank you very much indeed.
Bye-bye.
That should be good.
I think we've covered all the bases there.
Yeah, I think so.
I think that you give me plenty of time.
So hopefully you can edit that to something that's sensible.
