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Yeah, well, you need to think about the light going on your face rather than being backlit.
Yeah, but it's just dark, isn't it?
But I'm under the light, isn't it?
I'm the natural light.
The natural light's never...
It's not what anyone's after, is it?
I think.
Well, it depends.
I don't know.
I mean, if you're a photographer, maybe.
Should we do the preliminaries first?
I suppose we can keep that other stuff in.
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I'd definitely give the silver a go.
I've got gold, but I like silver because silver has the potential to go much, much higher if you're of a sort of more adventurous disposition, which I am.
Anyway, you should do both.
Gold and silver.
If you want interest on it.
Goat and monthly metals.
Welcome back to the Delling Pod.
What?
I was only just here.
And I've been talking to you.
And I don't listen to you.
I haven't been thinking about much else since we last spoke.
Have you not?
No, and I had to look at the picture of myself just to make sure I wasn't wearing the same clothes.
Only a woman.
Would do that.
Because I sometimes pride myself in kind of how just shitty I look.
I mean, I don't want to look too shitty because I can see it's not.
Looking too shitty is vanity, James.
That's just a costume.
Yeah, vanity.
This was the theme.
I was thinking what we're going to talk about today.
And I was thinking one of the things was the world.
As in the world of the flesh and the world of the...
The world that sort of the devil wants us to enjoy.
Because I was looking at the obituaries in my wife's newspaper.
I love that.
You take all the pride in not having a newspaper yourself, but the joy of still reading it.
Oh, I feel it.
You know, I feel so tainted.
I feel like I've just picked up a piece of used bog paper every time I touch it.
It's just...
It's horrid.
But it's quite interesting reading the newspapers to...
A, as a sort of exercise in deconstructing the...
The pros.
You can parse everything.
You can see every article.
You can tell what point they're trying to make, what the PSYOP is.
But secondly, you need to see how the enemy works and just how corrupt the whole system is.
Because don't forget that most people, they don't necessarily read the newspapers, but they're definitely...
Getting their information from similar sources.
And they're being...
In fact, that reminds me of another thing I wanted to talk to you about.
About how annoyed I am.
Not annoyed, but sort of discomforted I am.
By...
This...
Have you seen this thing on Twitter?
Where they're...
I'm looking at less and less things, but I never looked at it much in the first place.
No, okay.
On Twitter at the moment, lots of people are posting up this...
Thing I did in 2014 when I was on a really crappy BBC debate programme called Free Speech.
And it was sort of laughably titled Free Speech because it really wasn't.
And I... In Leicester Square with a chap and I thought I had the easier case arguing for free speech and nobody believed in it then.
And that was a decade ago.
It's weird, isn't it?
It's weird.
I remember a time when free speech was such a given, such a sort of accepted part of any sort of civilised country, democracy, all these buzzwords we were encouraged to believe in, that it wasn't even worth debating.
Obviously free speech is important and it's got to be free.
Anyway, that's a nice story.
I'm not even sure.
I'm not sure.
I think...
I don't think that's what we were actually debating.
I think we were always, really, without noticing it, talking about whether there were things that shouldn't be said or thought, and there obviously are things that shouldn't be said, even if you're thinking them, but the debate that we were having, unwittingly, was how much oppression you should impose on somebody.
Oh, just don't mind the washing machine for the background music.
Every gadget in my house nags me.
Don't worry.
That's really annoying noise.
That's an impertinence from a washing machine.
Yeah.
To do that many notes.
I actually bought it on purpose as well, in full...
It doesn't matter.
What I'm trying to say is that...
Oh God, it's really long.
What's the tune?
Is it a recognisable tune?
I don't know, but my children just love the washing machine because they don't have screen time.
So when it goes on its spin, they don't watch it.
And they watch the spin.
So there we go.
Anyway, so I just think it's always been about how much violence you impose on somebody for articulating an idea that you don't agree with.
And when I was in favour of free speech, it wasn't that I didn't think that your opinion might be rubbish, that I didn't think I should be able to say, I hate your opinion and I wish I'd never heard it.
But I always thought that the limit of my right to impose myself on you Stopped at my language.
I didn't think I needed or had the...
I didn't think it was to me to invoke the law or call a policeman or have you beaten up because I didn't agree with you.
But it wasn't that I thought you should be able to say or do whatever you liked.
It's just I didn't think that I needed to shoot you in the head for saying something I found despicable.
And somewhere it became something different.
It became...
An idea that we should all agree with each other or that everything was relative to each other or that everybody had a fair point and that all you had to do was be open-minded and discuss things.
I don't think that's true at all.
I don't think you need to be open-minded about something that's clearly wrong.
I think you can know something is wrong and be confident in that and stand your line.
I just don't think it's to me to put you in prison for being mistaken.
And that's all language is.
It's just an expression of a thought or a moral.
And what we've managed to do somehow, or what has been done, which is extraordinarily brilliant, really.
I mean, it's tragic, but it's fantastic that we are now pretending all thoughts are of equal value when they're not, but also that it's for the state to control and dictate what those thoughts should be.
So it's absolutely bizarre.
We've got a narrower and narrower Overton window, with everyone pretending that everything inside that window is legitimate, even when it clearly isn't.
And then that's being policed on all sides in every single fashion.
It's the worst of all worlds.
It's repugnant, actually.
But back to your BBC clip.
I think you put that so well that I don't even need to elaborate with my crappy insights.
Yes, so...
Very, very briefly, because it's annoying me rather than pleasing me.
So, I was on this show, and one of the confected topics that came up was, is Britain a rape culture?
This was just one of those concepts, a bit like, do you remember the time when they were talking about fake news?
Everything was fake news, and everything was fake news being produced by bots in...
Biela Russe or something like that.
Anyway, the catchphrase du jour in 2014 was rape culture, and apparently Britain was a rape culture.
And my turn came.
I said, well, I don't think Britain really is a rape culture.
What do they mean by that?
Sorry?
What do they mean by that?
Well, that's what I was interrogating as we...
The intellectual say.
I was interrogating the question.
And I said, but I would concede that there is one section of the community which seems to indulge in rapiness right now.
And I mentioned the subject of the rape gangs because this was at the time of lots of reporting on Rotherham and Rochdale.
It was very clear that there was a nationwide problem because it happened in Telford block.
Anyway, and the audience and the panel, my fellow panel, And the moderators all turned on me.
And I held my ground and fought back.
Well, because I had no option.
My position was being overrun.
You know, I was calling in artillery on my own positions by this point.
It was just like, anyone can be brave when you're just about to die.
So, but people are now congratulating me and saying, oh, James Dunningpole was right.
He was ahead of the game.
And I ought to be feeling happy about this.
I ought to be going, yeah, brave me in 2014. I'm a hero and people are finally...
Because at the time it was awful.
I mean, I felt so embarrassed and just like crushed.
But, you know, finally I'm vindicated.
And all I'm thinking actually is I'm being dragged into the normie news agenda.
It's very fashionable.
Elon Musk has been talking about the rape gangs.
And no, I'm not saying they're not a terrible thing.
And I feel so sorry for all the girls whose lives were ruined by it.
I'm not defending it or trying to diminish the problem.
But I do not want to be the poster boy for the normie.
Talking point du jour.
I really don't.
I don't want to be congratulated for it because everyone should be doing what I did.
It's not like I was a hero.
I'm a special case.
Everyone should be telling the truth about all sorts of stuff.
Everybody knew.
That's the whole point.
Everybody knew.
And I think, and by the way, imagine what that means for everybody in a community because it wasn't as if everybody was participating in that.
But when you witness your society as you perceive it, from whatever angle you're looking at it, you can see that a group of people, whether you are part of that group or not, has been given carte blanche to...
Oh, my dad.
Has been given complete freedom to behave in that way.
That completely corrupts the whole of society.
It's like when I was in Thailand and there were these prostitutes everywhere, you know, just young girls.
I met loads of prostitutes in my life.
But in Thailand, there were loads of these young local girls that were out.
And I remember being in this club one night saying to this friend that I had there, I feel really sorry for these girls because they obviously aren't all going to get work.
And I know that sounds...
Flippant, but it was a kind of sarcastic comment.
And it was also, I didn't know what they were all doing there.
They were never going to meet someone.
There just weren't enough people.
And this guy said to me, every single one of these girls will go home with someone tonight.
And I was looking around and they were all Western people like me.
They were young, you know, young, good looking men, boys, you know, with apparent morals from nice family.
And they all were going and using these girls for money.
Not all of them, obviously, but what I mean is that obviously that changes the whole town, doesn't it?
It changes the whole island.
It means that a man can work for his family for X number of years and his daughter can go out for two nights and change the whole hierarchy.
So this sort of corruption is everywhere.
And what was happening here was that you were...
I mean, the most disgusting people in any group were allowed to do exactly what they liked.
I don't know if you ever read about that child who was arrested for her own safety, in inverted commas, and the five men that had assaulted her.
I knew this ten years ago.
The five men that had raped her were sent home, and she was taken into custody for her own protection.
But it's not even that these disgusting things are happening, which is obviously of itself an evil.
It's that everybody knew.
So the whole system is broken.
Anybody who's not doing that can see that their cousin is doing that, or anybody whose sister has been assaulted in that way can see that there's actually no justice and that they're participating in a lie.
So it just demoralizes everybody across the board.
And the fact that it was deliberately put on, I remember seeing it deliberately put on the news, and not believing it, by the way, because it was Jeremy Paxman interviewing Tommy Robinson, and Tommy Robinson was made to look...
Like an ignorant racist.
And by the way, I genuinely thought that he was making it all up.
Because that's how it was presented.
But obviously now I can see that everybody knew it was happening.
They knew that he was telling the truth.
They obviously had evidence for it or they wouldn't have allowed it on television.
But it was presented in a way, and I say that loosely, we all knew that television isn't the truth.
But what I mean is that it wasn't that they were just interviewing a madman.
They all knew exactly what the story was, exactly what the angle they were going to take.
So why?
Why did they do this?
And it was to normalise the complete destruction of all of our communities for a decade, to destroy every kind of relationship between every group.
If I was a Pakistani man living in a town where everybody in my family was abusing kids every weekend and...
They were all allowed to get away with it and I'm going about my daily business trying to be moral and trying to have a good example for my own children.
It's demoralizing me too, isn't it?
Yeah.
Everybody has to be disgusted constantly for years.
And in New York when I lived there, not to be controversial, but it was a known fact that the Hasidic Jews there thought that white girls were trash and that they could have sex with them and it wouldn't impact on their faith in any way.
So, hipsters had to be...
Basically, if you were a hipster in Williamsburg, you just had to be wary of not getting too wasted and, you know, so that you didn't end up in a relation, you know, having sex with somebody that thought that you were a whore.
And I think that this lie as well that the hipsters are told or tell themselves is that they're not seen as trash.
Outside their own little tribe.
And they are.
I think it's just a lot more uncomfortable than anybody likes to think.
You know, if you look around my area at night and you see people, I mean, with everything out, like their arses out, their tits out, falling over, they don't know what they're doing.
People aren't walking past those girls thinking that they deserve respect or protection.
That's not what's going on there.
And they can't remember.
They can't defend themselves.
They can't speak.
They can't walk.
And we're pretending that that's a high point of liberated, progressive culture.
It's not.
This is obviously a different thing to children being targeted by grooming gangs.
No, it's all of a piece, actually.
It's all...
It's all the fallen nature of the world.
I was thinking, as you were saying, that you were describing this scenario where everyone knows what's going on and nobody's doing anything about it.
And nobody's even doing anything about it in the most basic way of wearing a longer skirt.
So there's something really bizarre happening here where I'm not even talking about people looking attractive and gorgeous.
I'm talking about Or being witty or amusing or even looking sexy.
I'm talking about this sort of absolute degradation where people are just completely high and are out of their clothes.
It's really strange.
I don't think it's doing anybody any favours.
Do you not think that this is redolent?
Of one of those passages in the Old Testament, which recur quite frequently, where God looks at the behaviour of the children of Israel and goes, I've had enough of this.
I'm going to take them out.
I'm going to send them into slavery, or I'm going to wipe them out with a flood.
And that it's really tragic that we have been told.
That to have absolutely no respect for yourself in any degree is somehow the most interesting high point you can reach.
It's a complete, and it's really been consolidated in social media, this idea that you have to have attention and that the only way you can have it is to be really loud.
And I say this as someone that can't stop talking and is an attention seeker, so I'm saying this with sympathy.
There has to be, at some point, a trust, a confidence in yourself that you're worth something even if nobody's paying you any heed.
And it seems to me that people cannot even get through a few hours of their day without checking if someone somewhere has noticed what they're doing.
And because it's physically impossible to be noticed all the time, especially if you haven't achieved anything, everybody is pouring more and more of themselves out, but it's all the ugly bits.
And I watched this in my industry years ago where, I've mentioned this before, where you could, you know, talk about the fact you had some sort of vaginal leak or something, rank, and you would get followers on Instagram or whatever to talk about your sagging tits, whatever revolting thing it was that someone normal would not share.
If you shared that, you had loads of followers and it was considered that you'd been really generous doing something for the public.
You weren't.
Obviously, this is...
You're not doing anybody any favours.
You're not improving anybody's life.
You're not doing anything for yourself.
Regardless of the money, you're wasting time.
And at the other extreme, there were the people that everyone wanted to be, you know, really beautiful or had lots of surgery or had lots of money or designing clothes.
But everything had to be sort of recorded in this way so that the idea was that you had to have some sort of attention.
Now, if that is the way you're living, it doesn't really matter, does it?
If someone's shouting at you, Assaulting you, you know, pushing you over, spiking your drink.
You have a story, you have a drama, you have all of these people gathering around you, even as you're weeping, it doesn't matter that all of the attention is negative.
It's just this sort of addiction, this narcissistic addiction to attention.
It's happened across the board.
And the more it happens, the more attention people need and also the less anybody notices of them.
Because now if someone isn't beating their breast or wailing or gnashing their teeth, then everyone thinks that they're fine.
They can't tell.
And I've noticed, because I don't watch television, I've noticed that people who obviously are watching TV, they copy these behavioural characteristics that you can see are acting.
You know, fake laughing.
I don't know if you've met any of these fake laughers.
They're awful people.
How does it go?
What happens?
So, for example, this morning, not to brag, James, but I've already been at Hot Room Yoga this morning stretching, and the teacher there, she has this sort of fake laugh.
And I understand it's supposed to be moderately encouraging.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
But I see it in other people too.
And they're trying to be nice or friendly.
At the school gates or when they're teaching you how to do something and they don't know that laughter is something genuine.
It's a bit like when they overreact to stuff or everything is over the top.
I don't think anything's really sincere in terms of actions because people don't know how to get a response unless they've heightened their behaviour in an unnatural way and because everybody's doing it, especially the children, it's...
Change everybody's language.
It's really strange.
I do think it's going to be impossible at some point in the future, and not as far away as we like, to engage in people, engage with people that are listening to too much media and are wearing these virtual reality headsets and playing computer games all the time.
I think it's going to be really hard to engage with them because they're not going to know how to speak.
People are painfully unaware of just how programmed they are by the various media surrounding them.
And everything, even the announcements on the underground, the adverts, it's absolutely everything.
Every advert is some freakish face.
Everything's too big.
Everything is a total decline into something.
It's all about...
You know, giving in to having instant food and instant money and instantly getting wasted.
Everything is...
And they have these screens now, the whole way up and down the escalators.
So everything is flashing.
Oh, produced by Global.
Global are evil.
That's the company that owns them all.
So if I'm not watching anything, I'm quite sensitive to it.
And my children are sensitive to it too.
But we'll go up the escalator.
All of the walls are flashing with hundreds of screens.
There's constant announcements.
Hold on to the handrail.
Watch the edge.
Look after your children.
Hold this.
Do this.
There's water.
There's a delay.
The noise is absolutely overwhelming.
It's completely strange.
I don't know how long I'm going to be able to stay in the city.
And then at the same time, I'm quite addicted to the activity, I think.
I don't like the...
Stuff that's imposed on me because I'm nervous about it.
I think how many of these messages am I listening to a date?
Like the CSA sorted thing.
I'm listening to this just from collecting my children 50 times a day, probably.
So I'm wondering how much of an impact that kind of noise is having on me without my knowing it.
It's all aimed at the subconscious.
So everyone thinks that they're completely immune to advertising.
It doesn't affect them.
It's for the idiots.
But it's not speaking to their thinking brain.
It's their unconscious.
So every time you hear, see it, say it, sorted, you are being fed the line that there are all these...
These potential terrorists out there who are potentially leaving their bags on the train, which could have a bomb in them, and that there is this genuine threat.
Because if there weren't, they wouldn't be making these announcements.
For a Londoner, you don't even think that now.
So you would never ever worry about a bomb threat when you hear that.
But I do think that subconsciously, for the person that's hearing it every day, which is a different thing to the tourist, the person that's hearing...
For the tourist, it's obviously supposed to be assured that...
Someone's in charge somewhere with more weapons than the enemy.
But the Londoner is supposed to think that the answer to everything is to snitch and delegate.
Snitch and delegate, delegate and snitch.
That's just the messaging to the person, you know, the future automaton, the robot.
And then to the tourist, it's just supposed to be reassuring you in the capital and the state's in charge.
Yeah.
But I'm just not a country type, James.
I know that I should be, and I know it's a great way to live.
You would be.
Can I tell you how boring my life is in the country?
I mean, I love it.
I love it.
So the excitement of my day, unless I'm hunting, which I haven't been doing for quite some time because my health hasn't been quite right, and you don't want to do it unless you're feeling great.
The highlight of my day is walking the dog while doing my Boteko breathing and my Psalms.
I go through about 15 Psalms and then I get home and then I have some stretching exercises or maybe some Pilates followed by breakfast.
And I'd say that's probably about as exciting as my day gets.
And I'm surrounded by beautiful countryside and I see the sheep and I... I watch the changing seasons and I see the sunrise and stuff.
You are working to inner completeness, James.
So you're much further along than me.
I wonder about this.
I was going to mention to you, have you read, maybe even recommended to me, The Way of a Pilgrim?
Yes, I did recommend it to you.
Okay, well I'm now reading it.
It's fabulous.
Yes, I love it.
And what I was wondering is, have I failed the fact that I haven't said the, I'm not saying the Jesus prayer 6,000 times a day?
No, but I do think that that's an amazing prayer if you're feeling stressed.
It's really amazing.
It's just, I used to have this, it's like this, I didn't know how to say this and that's sounding really odd.
I used to have quite aggressive thoughts when I was queuing for stuff.
I mean, this is years ago.
But let's say I was just trying to buy something, I don't know, lettuce, coffee, anything, and I was in a queue.
I would feel frustrated and I would have these quite aggressive, I don't know how to say this, I'd have these quite aggressive thoughts to distract myself while I was waiting.
I don't mean to other people, I mean to myself.
It was quite weird.
And I think it was just to do with, so at the same time, I would always know when I was on one of these strange moods because if I was on an escalator, I'd get vertigo.
Whereas if I was in a good place, I would never get vertigo and I wouldn't think these sorts when I was waiting for something.
I would just, you know, wait.
Anyway, I've noticed that if I say this Jesus rant in the same sort of situation all of these years later, I feel completely relaxed.
I felt relaxed with all my ugly, horrible thoughts, by the way.
I was using them as a calming mechanism.
I just don't think that they were very positive.
I just don't think I'm a very positive one.
Yeah.
It's weird.
Yes, I'm quite an extreme person though.
Whereas thinking, you know, if someone said to me, how often do you practice yoga?
It would be true to say once a year or five times a week.
I'm so excessive.
If you are what you practice, I'm fantastically inconsistent.
And I think being in a city, you can just...
Be really intensively doing something at any one point and then change it a couple of weeks later.
And I'm really curious about this because I think since we removed, officially removed, obviously it hasn't actually been removed, but since we've societally decided to get rid of hierarchy, nobody has a natural place that they can then reach the maximum of their capacity within some sort of place in their society.
You know, now that everything's...
In the city, I'm talking about.
It's different to the countryside.
But in the city, now that everybody's atomised and nobody's actually with their family and everybody's in a flat share or, you know, on the move or trying to get up the oily ladder, the greasy pole, people sort of attach themselves to different tribes at any one point, really loosely.
You know, so someone who's a banker is also doing hot room yoga on it every weekend, trying to get high there, or someone that's...
My hairdresser's trying to...
She's going on all of these different courses.
I can't describe it.
Everybody wants a place in something.
So that's why there are so many of these different groups in a city.
Because everybody feels uncomfortable and no one's quite sure what's going on.
But they all want this stuff.
And what they want is constant activity.
It's a complete inability to calm down.
And I don't know what's happening as much as...
I don't know how so many people are completely asleep in the city.
I think what has occurred is that you start off maybe with this energy when you're younger, and then by the time you reach your 30s, you are just watching television all the time, and you don't notice because you're working harder, or you're higher up in your work, or you're moved house.
I don't really know how...
Because I don't watch TV and I haven't really been successful.
I still do loads of stuff in the city, but I can see people around me.
They're just working and watching television.
They're completely dead.
But when I was young, they weren't dead.
They were clubbing.
What's happened, James?
Maybe I should move to the countryside and breathe deeply.
I think one does have more appetite for activity.
When one's younger, and by the time you hit your 30s, you're just, you know, you're probably working quite...
I have so much energy, I can't...
Well, that's really good.
That's really good.
You're a good advert for not watching TV. Yeah, but you have to be able to put it somewhere, don't you?
I don't know where you put it.
I didn't have a drink for two weeks, and I thought, good God, I've got four hours a day for, you know, Reading and working and thinking, and then however many hours they do for my children, you know, however many they are awake, and hours for exercise, and then hours and hours for the piano.
I don't know how...
No wonder I normally have a vino.
It's just doing that.
How is your piano?
I'm making really good progress.
Since I didn't have a drink at all, I've doubled my rate of improvement.
Can you play?
That Bach thing that Viking or Olafsson plays.
I don't know what that is.
Oh, it's fantastic.
It's a...
The one that I'm learning at the moment is the Bach Adagio 974 and it's...
It's...
God.
Oh, it is.
Bach is kind of...
He's just...
It's just the business, isn't it?
This is...
Vavara was explaining it to me as the beginning of the world, this first beat.
It's only one note.
It's just the note.
There's six Ds in this one bar.
It's just one note.
And I honestly...
Sometimes I just play this one note and I'm crying.
Because it's the first life...
It's the first heartbeat of all of creation.
I'm having a lovely time, James.
And I'm so curious about so many different things at the moment.
I read this...
Wow!
Because, obviously, things are just different, aren't they, I suppose, in every family.
But I read my children this story by Tolstoy.
They'd...
I'm having a, you know...
So I believe in God.
And I appreciate that I didn't always.
And that's complicated for other people, I think.
But anyway, I read this beautiful story by Tolstoy called Where Love Is, God Is.
And the Russians are hardcore.
I don't know if you know the story of the red shoes, where the girl wears her red shoes into church because her grandmother's blind and can't see her red shoes.
And then she ends up losing her feet, having her legs chopped off and all this kind of thing.
It's gruesome.
She's only a little girl.
But do you know how they have these very extreme stories to get to their point of salvation?
Wow.
This is another story, but this is Tolstoy's, where it begins, and this man, who's lost all of his children, and he only has one child left, and this beautiful three-year-old boy, he puts his whole life and heart and soul into, and then that child dies too.
So sorry, it's not funny.
It's so awful, but this seems hard for us.
Is it meant to be funny?
No, it's just a fact.
It's just one of those things.
So everything, the last hope and love of someone's life, oh, that's also gone.
So then the guy doesn't fancy going to church.
That's the point.
And I was confused because I... It doesn't matter.
To read this story, I was just...
I wasn't expecting it to be so hardcore religious, basically.
That's what I mean.
Anyway, this guy, he has this strange dream.
And it was all a bit much, all the children are done.
I'm reading this to my five-year-old and my eight-year-old, and I'm trying to, you know, be quite casual about it.
And then, anyway, so then he has this dream that Christ is going to come to his door, and he spends the day sort of half looking out the window, even though he knows it's just a dream and he knows it's a nonsense.
And because he's half paying attention to the world around him, he ends up interacting with all of these different people.
And, oh my God, I'm going to burst upstairs again.
Anyway.
By the end of this story, having been nice to these different people, as he waits for Christ to come to his door, he realises that Christ had come to his door in all of these different guises and that he'd welcome to him as he should.
Anyway, it's the most amazing story, but I'm very emotional.
I started crying about halfway through this story.
I only cried about six or seven times.
My children sometimes find that funny.
I really must read that one.
Yes.
I mean, I've only read the big two, War and Peace and Anna Karenina.
He disavowed those later.
So this is the thing now.
I've suddenly become obsessed with the things that he didn't disavow, and he wrote this essay, and this is what has been bothering me all week.
He wrote an essay called The Law of Love and the Law of Violence.
Are you familiar with this?
No.
So, The Law of Love and the Law of Violence, and it is how...
At the beginning of Christianity, the whole purpose of the Christian teaching was that the law of violence was wrong.
It could never sustain itself.
You could only live by the law of love.
So that's why in the first four centuries of Christ, you had all of these people saying, I'm afraid I cannot be a soldier because I believe in Christ.
And you cannot fight.
You cannot believe in the law of love and in the law of violence.
You cannot do both things.
So then after that four centuries of just murdering all of these people that said that they wouldn't fight, They said to one of these armies, I paraphrase loosely because I'm not a historian, but if you want to read it, you can check the details for yourself.
Anyway, eventually they just go to one of these armies, it's a pagan army, and they announce that everybody in this army is Christian.
So suddenly you have an entirely Christian army, but obviously they're not, it's a pagan army that's now been called a Christian army, and then after that it sort of became an accepted thing that you could be a Christian and you could be a soldier.
And then over the centuries, everything has become befuddled.
And he obviously talks about the Crusades, etc.
But the idea that you could follow both the law of love and the law of violence became part of the hypocrisy of the church and of the state and the whole confusion of Christ's teaching.
Anyway, I've really been bothered by this because at some level I can't let go of the law of violence.
I just can't do it.
And he says that the whole...
The idea that anybody has the right or the facility to organise the lives of others is a superstition.
And he said everybody, they relinquish that lie and focus on what they can achieve, which is their inner purity.
Everything in the whole world would improve immediately, whether or not you could see it.
And the thing that is confusing me, though, is that I appreciate that if we were A little further back in time, when there wasn't the technology to annihilate everybody, that you might think that you had to have some violence to protect your home or to protect your family or to do this or to do that.
But now, I think that it's coming to pass that his essay is going to be proven absolutely correct.
You're only going to be able to renounce all violence and follow the law of love, or you're going to have to accept Complete violence.
And I was looking at, I was in a restaurant, a fancy restaurant.
I took my children.
It was my birthday.
And I was thinking, I was just looking at this woman.
She was really pretty.
She was beautiful, this girl.
She wasn't really a woman.
She was one of those young women.
And I was, everyone was rich and wasting this time on this meal, as was I. And I was thinking, well...
Once you understand how much violence this is dependent on, to even be here, it's a bit like realising the whole thing is an illusion.
I was thinking about the Gaza situation, and really, how can that possibly stop if we have any kind of conception of violence ever being justified at all?
Because if violence can ever be justified at all, then the consequences of the action that's being taken there has to be revenge.
If that stops even for a second and there's even one person left, that person, if we're following the law of violence, they have to take revenge and then the whole thing has to begin again.
Because we're now participating in things that are so utterly wicked that it's really just a manifestation of our own fears.
Because if we're not going to reap what we sow, we have to keep on going.
And I think that's why people are so...
Separate it from what's happening around them.
It's that if we stop even for a second, the whole thing's going to come tumbling down.
And in our hearts, we know that.
Unless, of course, you just stop worrying about mutual planning for other people, which you cannot do.
And that is a lie.
And that is a superstition.
And you focus on your own soul.
I don't really see any other way out.
And all of these conversations I see and all of these debates I see about what's going on in other parts of the world, they're all dependent on the idea that we can organise other people through coercion from a greater force than they have.
And it's going to go nowhere.
But I also don't understand it really because I haven't reached his level of thinking.
So I keep thinking of all of those pathetic little examples of, well, you'd have to defend yourself here or you'd have to defend yourself there.
But really, if I think those examples through, they only even exist because of a fantasy that's so morbid that the violence wouldn't help me anyway.
I digress there, James.
Sorry.
No, no.
I like your digressions.
And you're always so deep, Tanya, that it sometimes takes me a while to process it.
Because I've been, well, I think as you do, meditating on this.
Okay, thou shalt not kill.
And Christ is always urging us to keep the commandments.
So, okay, so you accept that thou shalt not kill is a key tenet of what we believe in.
But then you look at David, who was God's favourite, God's chosen king.
And David was constantly at war.
And there's no sense, I mean, apart from Uriah the Hittite, There's no sense that God is looking at David and thinking, well, well, you're a bit violent.
I don't like it.
It's taught something different.
So you'll just have to, at some point, you have to move further than where you began.
And now the way forward is going to be rejecting all violence.
And I've really, really been thinking about this because it does bother me.
In many ways, I just want someone big and practical to protect me and dig me a well.
But I accept that whether I see it or not, it's obvious...
Let's just pretend that violence is the answer.
You have someone big that can protect you, and then obviously anyone with any gumption would work out a way to...
Hit that bigger person with a rock.
Like David.
And then anybody who's smarter than David will think of a way to hide behind a bush with a bow and arrow and just shoot David in the back of the head.
And so it goes on until by hook or by crook you have a system completely reliant on deception.
Who was it that wrote the only animal in the jungle that isn't having to deceive other animals is the elephant because He's not trying to eat them, and they're all too much smaller than him to try and eat the elephant.
So the elephant is the only honest beast.
I can't remember why I was reading that.
Anyway, the law of violence just means that ultimately it's a question of having bigger and bigger weapons and then speculating on who might use them when.
And then there's no morals left at all, because it's just a gamble on force, really.
And it's all a lie.
And if you go the other way, and you're always a slave in that system.
Now, if you go the other way and someone comes to me and says, you have to do X, Y, Z, and I say, no, I won't do it.
So I'm not going to murder for our government.
So if the government comes to me and says, you have to join the army because you're so liberated, you're so lucky, feminism's won, you get to go murder some women for the government, I'm going to say no.
It doesn't matter if there's someone big that I'm with that can get rid of the person that my door is trying to get me, or even if I have...
Ultimately, I'm free to lose my life rather than take somebody else's.
And if I choose to go and take somebody else's life, so that I can come back and do what?
So that I can come back and watch Netflix?
So that I can return to what?
When you put it like that.
Yeah, but it's so that I can return to the illusion that this is a way that everybody can live without it coming to a terrible end.
This has to end at some point.
We're going to have to accept that you cannot just destroy whole peoples to preserve the opportunity to watch television with a half-decent internet connection.
That cannot be where it's ending.
And I was looking again because I'm so obsessed with this Musk idea of the Mars City, which I've already wanged on about, so I won't go on about it too much again.
But it's that this lie is so obviously a lie that people would rather believe it's not a lie than...
It's obviously a lie.
In order to believe that he might genuinely want to go there, I've been asking people, I'm genuinely curious.
Oh, they just think that he's just ambitious and they justify it in all this other language.
Obviously, it's terrible that so much money has been spent on this project when there are other problems.
But the fact that they can never go to this city on Mars because nobody can.
The fact that they can never prove that it's happening because it's 250 million miles away.
The fact that they make up all of this stuff about his personality or his ambitions or investment or how it's human's achievement.
And I can see that people don't need to make a lie convincing anymore.
They don't have to pretend anymore.
They just need to have a couple of pictures of any kind of nonsense and say that the person that's saying it has more money than they could count.
And that is enough.
For the average person to go, well, then it must be a jolly good idea.
And by association, I can take some credit for this Mars mission myself.
And if you say to them, this is untrue, I have had someone this week say to me, then what am I supposed to believe in?
Because they are so far removed from...
It's a bit like their soul.
People are embarrassed now to talk about their soul.
The soul is just something that should be fixed by psychiatry.
So...
All of the problems that we have with anxiety or despair or anything else are just the fact that we know that the way we're living is not compatible with what is good.
And that sense of dissonance is the whole foundation of psychiatry.
So people go further and further back trying to work out why they instinctively know they're living wickedly and then apparently some suppressed memory or some hidden thing.
No, it's just, it's obviously wrong.
Everything that we do, the drugs that we're giving children, the psychiatry people are indulging in, everything is because we're denying our soul and you can't possibly deny the soul forever.
And this thing that I have to believe in Elon Musk, I even watched one of his awful things the other day where he was saying, oh, there's so much to be miserable about, but this makes me have hope in humanity and there has to be some reason.
This is a profound lack of faith.
This is total detachment from all life's meaning and purpose.
This is a complete detachment from love and indulgence in utter absurdity.
And he's such a curious character.
When they interview him, he swears as if he's nervous.
You don't...
Have you watched stand-up?
I saw...
This is so terrible.
I don't look at any things that I do, James, because I don't want to see myself and I don't want to hear myself.
And I don't look at comments on anything because I don't want to be flattered.
And I also don't want to be demoralized.
But I was sending something of yours somewhere.
Now, why did I see this?
I must have indulged myself and just read it.
I subscribe to you.
I'm paying you money, James.
Are you?
I saw it.
So I've never had to see any comments because...
You pay only.
Sorry, I'm working this out.
Like, Columbo.
Your Rumble.
Not Rumble.
Your Substack.
To look at your Substack, you have to pay.
And I went to recommend your Substack or something.
I can't remember.
And I had to pay for it to look at it.
I wanted to see that interview that you did.
Anyway.
I would have given you a free subscription.
I will still.
Because it's...
And the comment I saw about myself was this man saying that I swear too much.
You don't?
I don't swear in real life, but I swear on stage because I'm posh and you're in a club and people in a club think it's funny if you sound like me and you swear.
But actually, and also when you do new material, you tend to swear because you're not quite sure what you're saying yet and you fill in the gaps of swearing.
And it's a good way for a person like me to look like they're having a nervous breakdown.
So I have some new material somewhere where I do swear because I'm clearly...
It's not the point.
I think that swearing is a sign of weakness, especially on stage, and it makes someone look nervous.
And when I saw this interview, this one-minute clip with Elon Musk, he was saying how if someone tried to buy him with advertising, he would tell them to F off and all of this.
And I was watching it because he's obviously a fabricated character, but it's very curious that they know, they understand that this makes him look geeky and nervous and not quite sure of himself, but also as if he really has this strong moral.
And it's fascinating, and it's really important that people don't look at these characters at all, other than to look at them as cartoon characters that are being well-drawn, I think.
I'm quite worried that people are so removed from themselves that they think that he is...
I mean, people on our side.
I don't think that the normies are still really...
The people that are really invested in Keir Starmer or in Nigel Farage, they're not worried about Elon Musk.
They just have this idea that we're going back to the moon soon.
And they really like that.
They do.
They do.
And they get so crossed if you don't...
I mean, really, people have got so cross at me recently in real life because they can tell that I'm not keen on the moon stuff.
People have tried to fight with me about it.
No, I'm being in my personal life, James.
They've tried to fight with me about it.
Do you believe in anything?
No, really.
Not just my mother.
It's spread out throughout my family.
They all gave my children moon books for Christmas.
I'm under siege.
And I'm not saying anything.
I'm just...
Saying, oh yes, that looks interesting.
Not sure it could take me to Tesco's, but I'm glad it can take me far away.
Where are they on dinosaurs?
We haven't, we thank God.
They haven't come up much, but there are lots of those books appearing in my house too.
I'm being trolled.
It's quite sad.
Because those are the two things that they imprint on children.
Aren't they?
Children's pyjamas, children's bedsheets, they have either space men or planets or dinosaurs.
It's extraordinary.
Why would you do that?
They tell children that they're animals and that religion is superstition.
And I think that I'm having this argument a lot with my children because they tell me all the time I'm just an animal because that's what they've been told.
And the irony is, I feel quite...
I know I've said this, but I feel ashamed, really genuinely.
So when Tolstoy finishes assessing, he says, you can read this knowing that this isn't my thinking.
This is the thinking of every great mind for all of time.
These are just the thoughts I want to share with my fellow man before I die.
Oh my God.
No, I'm very weak all the time, James.
If you want to have a totally emotional, absurd life, you can just read these great people.
You don't have to watch East Endless.
But I do feel ashamed that the greatest thinkers of every single civilisation have been pretty much saying the same stuff for thousands of years.
And I have just dismissed it throughout my education.
Thinking that that made me brighter.
I mean, how?
Shameful.
And people are saying to my children in my family, oh, you're just an animal, as if that somehow undoes any superstition I might have about the purpose of life, which I'm not even preaching because it's just not my style.
I obviously think that you're greater than an animal.
You clearly are distinct, aren't you?
Any characteristics that you share that are based on things that you should try and rise above.
But I think it's absolutely deluded that people think that they sound rational sharing this crap with children.
And everything that they teach children is a lie.
And I'm not talking about the stupid money laundering scams that we all have to participate in so that they can...
Turn over trillions of pounds on fantasies.
I'm talking about the whole purpose of even getting along with each other.
All of those ideas are now untrue.
The reason we get along with each other isn't because one idea isn't better than another or that life shouldn't be difficult or that we can all be happy all the time.
These things are also lies.
Actually, every single thing that we're doing is disgusting.
I'm not quite sure why I'm participating in it still.
But where do we go to join a cult?
Can I just bring it full circle to the story I was trying to tell you?
Oh, yes.
Right at the beginning.
So I was looking at the obituaries.
Yes, you've died.
Anyone important?
Maybe you're too young to remember.
Do you remember Tony Slattery?
I'm too young.
I'm too young.
Before my time.
Who's talking about?
Tony Slattery.
Oh, no, that doesn't even exist before my time.
Tony Slattery was in the 90s.
He was on TV all the time.
And he was a good-looking fellow with dark hair and a sort of cherubic expression.
I mean, he was quite naughty, but he was brilliant at improv.
Naughty that way.
Well, sort of cheeky chappy, you know, I mean, just, yeah.
He was on the comedy circuit.
He was particularly good at improv.
And he had been in the Cambridge Footlights with Stephen Fry and that lot.
And I met him and Johnny Sessions and Stephen Fry and Richard Curtis and all these people.
At this stage of my life, when I'd come down from Oxford, you know, full of bright expectations about the future that I wanted, and it seemed that the future I wanted, looking back, was what I wanted more than anything, was fame.
It was not money, but fame, and I thought fame was the...
And I think now how utterly shallow Well,
I had the idea that I would achieve it through writing.
You know, writing a novel, maybe.
But frankly, I think just the notion of fame was...
Yeah.
Disgusting.
And that's, by the way, if you had that, I had that probably worse than you had it, because by my generation, all you had to be was known for something.
You didn't have to necessarily be good at it, and it didn't have to be a thing that you would want to be good at.
You just had to be known.
And then by the next generation, look at that, I don't want to talk about it, but these girls who have got their OnlyFans pages or whatever they have, because they have again been told that they just need fame, which is just attention.
And people are actually doing that in real life.
I have a friend and he said he knows some girls that are doing that and they think they're going to have some sort of glamorous footballer's wife kind of lifestyle.
And they're just humiliated, degraded, and skint.
Yes.
Carry on, though.
So you wanted to be famous.
You wanted to actually have any skills.
Yeah, exactly.
I was hanging out with these superficially entertaining but shallow people.
I mean, even Stephen Fry, for all his pretenses at being an intellect, is just a kind of idiot's idea of a deep-thinking person.
And I coveted the company of these people more than anything.
And I ask myself now, to what end?
What was I hoping to get?
Was I hoping to get a bit of extra sex?
You know, that maybe once I became famous, more girls would want to sleep with me.
Or that...
I don't know what it...
I think it's pure ego, James.
And I think it's...
And now we're...
Well, it's a disadvantage because it's really so terrible and broad, but it's also an advantage that we can see that it's obscene.
It's not even absurd.
It's absolutely unrelated to skill.
The complete separation of being known and having a reason to be known is now complete.
It's been absolutely finalised with things like Love Island and blah blah blah.
Yes!
No, it's totally separate.
And I think probably when you came out of university at that stage, in fairness to you, I've got less excuse because I'm so much younger.
But when you came out of university, when you came out of university, there was still some correlation between fame and a reason to be famous.
Yeah, maybe.
So you could associate yourself.
At that point, you thought, oh, my God, if I'm famous, it must mean that I'm as...
Beautiful as Cleopatra or as clever as Einstein or as good a writer as Tolstoy.
All I need to do is be famous and then I've proven to myself that I'm as great a writer as those other people who probably had less fame than me.
So there was this brief moment where the young person could think, I obviously know that I don't have all of those skills, but if I have all of that fame, then maybe other people think I have those skills and I am actually that skilled.
And then by now, there's no even pretense that you only have to be musical to be a pop star.
You just need to have your arse on the air.
That's it.
So now, it doesn't matter what you do.
That's why you can be famous for literally anything now.
For being a porn star or putting a cat in a bin.
It doesn't matter.
As long as you're known for something.
It's really sad.
What happened to victory?
Well, it was rather a sad life, really.
No!
No!
Well, he was...
Incredibly famous.
He was everywhere.
And then suddenly he was nowhere.
He had a kind of breakdown and descended into coke and alcoholism and that was his life pretty much.
He wrote some sort of autobiographies about what had happened to him and acquired a bit of sympathy and had a sort of semi-comeback.
But I suppose his life is an illustration.
Of what we're talking about.
That it's ultimately so...
That one shouldn't set one's heart on fame because...
I was thinking...
Jeffrey Bernard's Reaching for the Ground.
Did he read that?
That's superb.
To be fair, that's really funny.
I haven't read that.
I remember him.
He used to hang out in the French house.
He was some old journalist.
I know about Geoffrey Bernard and the French House and Norman Ballen.
His book, Reaching for the Grounds, is a very amusing book about someone's decline.
But really, the people that have mastered this rubbish are the people that you never hear from again.
I don't know if you're familiar with the Ice Age Farmer.
I didn't really follow his stuff.
At the beginning of all of this, there was this Ice Age farmer who apparently now has disappeared.
Have you heard this?
Yes.
I thought maybe he'd been offed.
Has he not been offed?
No, I think I heard.
I don't know.
I do think this is true.
That absolutely ages ago, he went off to go and go off grid.
So just at the moment that the rest of us were sort of being rehabilitated, you know, back into our old lives, establishing new hierarchies, getting our QR code on Substack, essentially, Opening ourselves up to new ways of being compromised again in the future, someone like him has gone off to start growing tomatoes.
And I do think that I can see every single day these wearables and these QR codes and the technology is growing and growing and growing and I'm using it.
And it's going to be able to switch me out of my life at any point.
I won't be able to get on the underground.
I won't be able to use my money.
I won't be able to purchase food.
I won't be able to do anything if I carry on like this.
Because it's going to just...
I won't be able to cross the street if they have their facial recognition cameras there and they say, well, you've just done something wrong and I'm fining you for X, what is it?
I can see that this is going to happen in the next few years.
And I'm thinking, oh, I'm going to do this this year and I want to go there and I want to catch up with these people and they want to buy that outfit.
But actually, I should be going and getting a piece of land somewhere by the sea and preparing to not need this stuff.
I agree.
And I'm not.
And that's really what everybody should be doing.
And you're much closer to it with your breathing exercises and your long walks.
But listen, I tell you, I just feel completely inadequate.
If it's any consolation, I feel I'm absolutely useless at...
I've got maybe the 40 Psalms now, getting on that way and stuff.
So I'm not up to 6,000 Jesus prayers a day, but I still feel like I'm pretty rubbish, pretty doing lots of wrong things.
Not spending enough time growing vegetables and kind of thinking, what's the point anyway?
Because it's got a lot harder with the spraying and stuff, with the clouds and the chemtrails and stuff.
They really have made it hard to grow and stuff.
And so you sort of develop a kind of fatalism, like, well, it has been written, it has been foretold what's going to happen.
I may as well just...
Watch the occasional Netflix and do a bit here and there of praying and growing and stuff, but really accept that I'm not in the game.
I'm going to be inadequate to the task.
I don't feel like that.
I certainly know that I'm inadequate.
I'm not sure I'm applying myself to the same tasks as you.
I think that this is...
Possibly the most extraordinary moment, because if everything had continued to go as well as it had been going, and I was so grateful for my perfect life, I would still be so wrong about everything, but these might have been the realisations I had as I was dying, and I'd have been desperate to claw my way back.
And I was really thinking about this.
I think that it's very hard in each person's life, my life for example, to give freely.
So sometimes when you give things to a person, you want them to notice and come to you.
Or you're trying to persuade them all the time.
Your children or your husband or your wife, whatever.
You're trying to persuade people by showing them what you've given them.
So you kind of guilt them into coming towards you or persuade them or threaten them or challenge them into giving you what you want.
And I really want to live in a way where I give as much as I can give and people, and it either, and that has the effects that it has without me imposing my ego on my gifts.
And because it's a difficult way to live, and because life is complicated, I've been thinking about it a lot because I would be able to get my own way on certain things by cheating myself, i.e.
by using the other things I think are immoral to use, but I would be able to get my way with them.
And then I realised that this is really what God has done.
I'm not making any analogy.
I'm just saying that God has given all of these things to us that are there, that we have complete access to all the time.
Oh, you've disappeared.
Oh, it's so scary.
You just popped off and then you came out.
But all of these things are there for us at all points.
And there is complete abundance and everything is there for us to take or not to take.
But we're not going to be led towards the good by threats or by...
Weakness or meanness or violence.
We're going to have to choose to renounce certain things to get closer to the truth.
And it might be that we just can't do it yet because we're not ready and our time will run out.
One day, the gifts that have been given to us, they will run out and it won't be because they were taken away.
It'll just be because we die.
We'll just run out of time.
But just in the same way that you can give to other people and they either come to you or they don't come to you, we're being given to all the time.
And we can share in the abundance of creation or we can worry about it because of our ego or the clouds or whatever.
I feel really positive, actually.
I feel really good.
Oh, my God.
That's good.
Either we can have a 15-minute break.
I don't know what time you've got to go off to your dad's lunch.
I've got to go.
How long have we been talking?
We must not be tedious, James.
We've been doing an hour and ten.
We could end here.
It's an ongoing conversation, isn't it?
The thing we do.
We can just ramble and then pick up.
Yeah, just do another one in a few weeks.
Yeah, let's do that.
I've only got one of those basic lights that flash the lights on my face.
Is there anything you want to plug?
Yes.
Obviously, it took a lot of work to put together, so every time I do this, I can say, make sure you buy Bob's book.
Really important.
And also, not James and I, I'll do a show with you one day, James, but Alistair and I are doing a show at Top Secret in March, March 8th.
Top Secret Comedy Club, March 8th.
Alistair Williams and I. Everyone should come to that.
And where can they find the details?
Should I put...
I'm on our Twitter, or you just go to Top Secret Comedy Club, Alistair Williams and Tanya Edwards March 8th.
It's March 8th.
That sounds good.
But they're tickets for the 8th of March.
And then everybody goes out together afterwards.
And I'm not really doing much stand-up anymore.
I'm just doing the clubs that I like.
I've got other things I want to make this year.
So it's really fun for me to do those big shows.
Okay.
And...
If you've enjoyed this podcast, as of course you obviously do, you have.
I mean, yeah, you have.
Don't forget to support me if you can.
I really appreciate it if you do on Substack or on Locals.
Or you can buy me a coffee.
What?
My Substack.
You should follow my Substack.
Oh yeah, Tanya Substack.
Go to Tanya Substack and support her on Substack.
And support me as well.
Have a Tanya and James fest.
Splash out.
Or you can buy me a coffee, but then you don't get early access to my stuff.
And support my sponsors.
Thank you.
And thank you, Tanya.
Thank you for having me, James.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no...
Evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how Some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011 actually.
The first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scan Got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen Climategate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scan.
I then asked the question, OK, if it is a scan, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk/shop You'll probably find that one.
Just go to my website and look for it.
jamesdellingpole.co.uk And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that, "Oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Gaia." No, we don't.
