Corporate refugee and former set designer turned anti-New-World-Order warrior, Sandi Adams talks to James about the real reason behind the war on farmers. Nothing to do with socialist incompetence: this is part of UN Agenda21/2030 which she has been warning us about for over a decade. Sandi has the blueprints and the receipts. It’s scarier than you think
https://sandiadams.net
Accompanying reference documents:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/agricultural-transition-plan-2021-to-2024
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3707
https://www.about.sainsburys.co.uk/~/media/Files/S/Sainsburys/pdf-downloads/futureoffood-10c.pdf
https://www.ukfires.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Absolute-Zero-online.pdf
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Welcome back to The Delling Pod, Sandy Adams.
Sandy, I saw a very interesting, characteristically interesting podcast you did a month or two ago now about the real plans behind...
The war on farmers and stuff and the war on, well, private property, really.
And I think because of the way it's been reported in the media, so many people imagine that this is just a left-wing Labour government doing what left-wing Labour governments do.
Getting it slightly wrong and penalising a particular section of the community and on this occasion farmers.
And I think most people would imagine this is just incompetent socialists being incompetent socialists.
And I think you're going to tell me it's not like that at all.
That this is all part of an overarching plan.
Dating back decades.
And that it doesn't matter who's in charge, whether it's Labour or Conservative, because they're all pushing in the same direction.
Is that a fair summary?
That's pretty much it, James.
I mean, it's hard for people to really...
So many people say to me, oh, so you think there's a group of evil people that want to take over the world and strip us of all our rights.
And unfortunately, yes, it is.
I mean...
You know, all the research, as you know, that you and I have been doing over the years, you know, you were one of my people that woke me up.
Bless you.
Walter Mellon's eco-fascism, Rosa Coray, Patrick Wood were my main, you know, you are amazing.
And all of this has gone, as you know, goes back.
Decades and decades.
And, you know, we've got to understand that this plan is really upon us right now.
And, you know, there's government plans to take over farms and to get rid of the farmers and to turn the farms into great big super farms, corporate-owned super farms, and to take over the whole food chain.
Even Sainsbury's have got this plan.
By 2069, no, from now, from 2025 to 2169, it's 150 years odd to take over food production.
And it's all horrible.
It's frankenfoods.
It's really nasty sort of space stations.
But before that, it's just get rid of meat and dairy, which is at the stage that we're at now.
It's get rid of the farmers, get rid of meat and dairy, and literally...
You know, sort of disarm the farmers so that they can seize the land.
And people don't believe that this is happening.
But if you look at, there's, I know you're going to put it into chat.
Oh, before we go on there, Sandy.
Yeah.
People are going to be, people who haven't met you before are going to be saying, well, this lady, Sandy, Sandy looks very, very nice and just sort of person.
I've met.
I don't know.
Where would they have met you?
What do you remind me of, Sandy?
When did we meet, you mean?
No, no.
I mean, you're the sort of person one thinks one knows.
There's something reassuring about you that you don't seem like...
You seem quite...
Trustworthy, but ordinary, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, I'm very ordinary, very trustworthy.
I mean, ordinary, what's that?
But I'm quite extraordinary, really, in lots of ways because I've never really fitted into anything.
And I've always, always questioned the narrative, which not a lot of people do.
But yes, I come across as a nice person because I think I am nice and I'm honest and I'm, yeah, I'm me.
You don't sound like a sort of policy wonk on the one hand or some kind of...
You're a kind of an ordinary person who's been mugged by reality, I think is maybe one way of putting it.
That's exactly it.
And I can't bear lies.
I just strive to tell the truth.
That's who I am.
The information you're about to give us is presumably available to anyone to find.
So why isn't it more known about?
Well, I've been doing as much as I can to push this out.
I've been on loads of, you know, speaking to farmers, pushing out the truth, and loads and loads of podcasts and talks and PowerPoints.
I'm writing a book.
You know, there's only so much one person can do, and I'm not a massive platform.
I can't bear the whole circus that's going on with influencers taking over campaigns and what have you.
So I'm just me, and I do my best.
And the people that pick it up, it's almost like a beacon.
They pick it up.
An awful lot of people don't get it.
They still don't get the whole historical thing behind this takeover of our planet.
And so it's very difficult to get people to engage when a lot of people are too busy.
They're too busy just, you know, paying their mortgages and looking after their kids and all that sort of thing.
My own family included.
I mean, they don't really take a lot of notice of what I do.
So I find it difficult if I can't engage my own family.
How on earth do you engage other people?
I don't know.
Well, because I suppose a lot of this information appears in the form of slightly arid reports on government websites, which are never a fun read.
Very boring.
They're very boring indeed.
So these documents that the government put out on farming and how they want to transition us into a new way of farming, I mean, honestly, they're hundreds of pages long.
Even I pray see it.
I look at it and I scan through it.
You know, the gist of it is, you know, we're taking your farms.
We are taking your farms away.
And this is for the greater good.
This is for good because, you know, farmers haven't been farming properly and we've got a better way of doing it.
And that's it, really.
How do they express it?
Express it quite so bluntly.
No, that's the gist of it.
What they're saying is that in order to feed the increasing population that we have, which we don't have because it's decreasing, we've got to introduce bigger, more sort of...
But again, it's all about climate change, more sustainable ways of farming.
Do they use that word as well?
What?
Resilient.
Yeah, resilient and sustainable farming.
And, you know, they call it, you know, the transition to sustainable farming.
And even the subsidies that they're giving farmers now, it went from the common agricultural policy, you know, sort of handouts, to the sustainable farming incentive subsidy.
Which is not sustainable at all because it's taking away farmers' land and putting wind farms and solar farms on it and housing and anything else.
They're saying, right, we're going to take away your subsidies by 2027, which is not very far away.
It's a couple of years.
And in that time, you've got to prove to us that everything you do on your farm is sustainable.
And that means not producing beef and dairy.
And not producing certain things that they say aren't sustainable.
And you've got to create certain businesses that are sustainable, like ridiculous things like housing, renewable energy, glamping, forest schools, anything.
And you look at the land mapping.
You look at the land mapping in local councils of land use.
And if you, I mean, certainly in North Somerset, if you look at the North Somerset mapping, it goes up to 2040 something.
And there's no provision for food, none whatsoever.
All the projected land mapping is taken over with all these other things that are not food.
So where is the food security?
Farmers are being penalised for...
Farming.
Anything that you or I or most people watching this would consider to be farming, i.e.
growing crops, vegetables or raising livestock.
They can do vegetables and crops provided a certain quota of those are given to rewilding, herbal lays, all sorts of...
And also, they're taxed with this thing called Biodiversity Net Gain, which is a financial instrument that they'll be scored as to how well and how sustainable that field might be.
And what is concerning is that with these draconian sanctions that they're putting on farmers, like Biodiversity Net Gain scoring, There's also something called, you know, DEFRA can come along and say, well, that field over there, we need to control that ourselves because it's a site of scientific interest and you can't use that field anymore.
And this has happened to several farmers that I know.
They'll say that there's some furry animal that needs protecting on that land, or whatever it might be.
It's anything that's spurious, because we all know that all this is nonsense.
It's not about environmentalism.
It's not about sustainability.
It's about control.
Yes, but tell me more about what they claim they're doing.
So, okay, I know lots of people who've tried to...
I've reconditioned or whatever buildings in their land and have been stymied by the fact that, say, a bat population, bats have been found nesting in the roof and they've got to call in the bat expert and they probably can't even do anything because bats are so heavily protected.
And I know that great crested newts are protected, even though I know in my larder right now there are two or three, Great crested newts.
They've come there to hibernate.
I mean, I like them, but they're common as muck.
They're not some...
Not something that really needs protection.
They're not so special.
Very well, yeah.
Yeah, and they don't need government organisations to look after them.
So are you saying, is it newts and bats?
What are the other animals that they can use as an excuse to declare...
A prime example, for instance, is...
Now, this is really, I mean, unbelievable.
In North Somerset, they've got this EDF power station that's being built, massive, super, all singing, all dancing.
The Chinese have got involved.
And they use the sea to cool the reactors, right?
So they're saying that the fish are being sucked into the reactors.
So therefore...
Their solution to that is to create flooding over the coastline, which is prime salt marsh grassland.
They want to turn it into sea.
They're calling it reseeing the Somerset coastline to save the fish.
Now, what I'd do is, you know, you can surely put a grill or something.
Some engineer would work out how the fish don't get sucked into the bloody reactors to cool the thingies.
And it's an absolute, I mean, all the farmers, I mean, are up in arms on that Somerset coastline fighting this because really it's a way of seizing farmland, you know, grazing that.
Because salt marshes, that's a particular kind of habitat.
Yes, it is.
It's very different from sea, obviously.
I mean, it's a way that sometimes of the year when the salt marshes flood naturally, you know, tidal, the cattle can have the salt and they like it for a while.
They don't want it all the time, but it gives them the certain nutrients that they need and they move on to the pasture.
But it is important for the health of the cattle to have those salt marshes.
So, you know, it's something that is...
But it should be turned into sea.
They can't just reclaim it and say, right, we're going to turn this into sea because it's where the cattle graze and it's people's land at the end of the day.
Well, it's extraordinary that there are organisations which have been able to arrogate for themselves the power to decide how the English landscape is shaped without apparently having to, without any of us being able to check it.
I mean, this is our country.
Who are these people?
Who gave them this power?
Well, unfortunately, our government are being dictated to by the WEF, by the United Nations and the WEF. You know, this is all a United Nations, you know, as we know from the Earth Summit, this is a United Nations initiative to be able to control every resource on our planet.
You know, literally all land, all sea, all...
You know, all minerals, all animals, and human beings, everything.
Are you talking about the sustainable development coloured wheel that we see function?
Yes, I mean, Agenda 21 was incepted at the Earth Summit in 1992, and they had a plan of eight millennium goals, which are pretty much like the 17 goals, that were to be completed.
By the year 2000, they called them the Millennium Goals.
But they failed.
Nobody really took them up.
Nobody took much notice.
So then they accelerated them in 2015 and turned them into the 17 Sustainable Goals, United Nations 17 Sustainable Goals.
And each one of those goals sounds really worthy, really, really sugar-coated, really wonderful.
But actually...
It's a kind of a roadmap to hell for us, because it's all about increased surveillance, technology, taking over everything that we hold dear, and including our farms, including our farmers and everything.
And we can tell that this isn't just a kind of lunatic Labour Party preoccupation, because we've seen Leaders, world leaders of all shapes and political hues wearing those, the colour wheel, the 17 different colours.
It's a bit like, what does it remind me of?
It's like a big coloured donut.
It's a bit like an LBGTQ donut.
Yeah, yeah.
And the colours, they look nice and pretty.
Oh, everything looks wonderful.
And yet this is part of the sinister master plan to take away all our freedoms and turn us into slaves who can't stray beyond a few miles of our homes and we're forced to eat the bugs.
The problem is that, Sandy, that to so many people who are not au fait with the workings of the world, this is just going to sound like another of those crazy conspiracy theories.
How do you prove to people that it's not, that they mean it?
Well, I think Keir Starmer's doing that very successfully, actually.
I think, really, in the last few months since he got into power, our world is changing at a pace that you wouldn't believe.
The people are beginning to see, I'm sure, that if they can't see, then they're willfully blind.
Literally, everything that is going on right now is so dystopian.
I mean, you can see.
What are you thinking of in particular?
Well, you know, they've just brought out the, for instance, I mean, I think, you know, an example of it is, you know, the cover up of the rape gangs that is now finally coming out.
I think what's come in recently is this private members' bill.
They're trying to sneak it through.
It's called the climate and energy bill.
I was thinking of the other one.
What's the nature one?
Yeah, the climate and nature.
Sorry, climate and nature bill.
I've got climate and energy in my head because I'm thinking about...
Tell me about that because that does look...
I just glanced at somebody's post on Twitter today, but it sounds awful.
Yeah, it's a land grab, basically.
I've just sort of made some notes here because, unfortunately, they do this.
They sneak something through in a private member's bill.
And it's so, I mean, it's really something that we need to, you know, kind of know about.
Because they do this.
They sneak things in and it's a climate and nature bill.
It will destroy our rights to own and use our own property if they let it get through, which is why we really have to make a noise about it.
I put some stuff up today on Twitter and Facebook.
Where did it originate?
Well, I'm not sure.
It's set for reading on the 24th of January.
And, you know, if you own a farm or a home, this bill could strip you of control of your property in the name of conservation and sustainability.
It's what I was talking about just now.
Property owners, what they need to know is they can have compulsory land rewilding.
They can actually say to you, you will have to, under sustainable development, which is in the public interest, you will have to take that field over and just leave it.
Just let it go wild.
And, oh, sorry, I've just got the clauses here.
Under clause 2.3, it says the bill proprietises restoring ecosystems and conservation.
This means farmland could be forcibly taken out of use and converted into wild habitats, even if it's been in families for generations.
You know, rural property owners could be ordered to allow government-backed projects on their land, regardless of their wishes.
Those who resist could face heavy penalties or legal action.
Even urban homeowners are not safe.
The push for energy efficiency means all property owners could face mandatory retrofits.
If you've got an old house and you haven't put double glazing in or whatever, they can actually force you at your own cost.
To make your house more sustainable.
And people won't be able to afford this.
They simply won't.
And I could see this coming ages ago.
This is what the EPC ratings were all about.
And I used to do talks on this.
The EPC rating is rating your house as to how sustainable it is, ecologically sustainable.
Some people cannot afford.
They live in old drafty houses.
I live in one.
And you may not have the ability to be able to replace all your windows or put insulation in the loft or do whatever they want you to do.
And what they're offering is things that don't work, like ground horse seat.
Ground source heat pumps and things like that.
They're saying, oh, but we're offering you this.
There's a lot of things that aren't going to work, you know, in a home.
And they're trying to take away your wood burners as well.
That's another thing.
They don't want you to have wood burners.
Are they?
Yeah.
How are they going to do that?
What's their excuse?
I don't know how they'll do it.
They've already done it in Scotland, I believe.
They've banned wood burning stoves in Scotland.
Have they?
I don't know how they enforce it.
I don't know how they enforce it.
But it's also on the Absolute Zero document.
I don't know if you know about that, the UK Fires Absolute Zero document.
But from 2025...
Oh, sorry.
I don't know how that got through.
Yeah, so from 2025, they are wanting everyone to get rid of their wood-burning stoves.
Because I don't know how they'll legislate for that.
They'll say that your wood-burning stove is dangerous.
In fact, they've been saying that for a long time.
They certainly have been pushing this about particulates and the different sizes of particulates and that wood-burning stove, which we know from elsewhere, is just bunk.
It's just junk science that has been...
Foisted on us and used to justify the end that they'd always intended, regardless of the actual data.
It's policy-driven evidence-making, isn't it?
Exactly, exactly.
And I think it's in everybody's interest to look at this bill.
We'll put the link into the chat because we have to stop this.
They're trying to sneak it in through the back door.
And get support for it.
And it's being, it's being endorsed by massive sort of big corporations, you know, people like, I mean, unbelievably, obviously, obviously it's being, now I did make a list of them, but there's people like Lush and, you know, sort of cosmetic.
Oh, come on.
Yeah.
Lush, Lush are kind of, they're a boil on Satan's ass.
I mean, they are one of the worst.
But there's big corporations that are endorsing all this.
And what do Lush do?
All of their packaging is plastic.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
They're just, you know.
And, you know, I would really boycott anybody.
Yeah, but, you know, the thing with Lush, I mean, I've...
Personally bred females, and I know what it's like when they're at a certain age, they want to go out.
You're walking down the high street, what's left of it, and you're suddenly assailed by these fruity smells.
And then you've got these eager beaver staff who couldn't be more helpful when you go inside and they show you all these bath bombs and stuff.
You kind of want this stuff, even though you'd probably end up with thrush, I imagine, if you use them in the bath.
I don't know.
I'm wary of that kind of thing.
They're very over-perfumed.
I don't like blush at all.
No, but it's run by eco-nances, and it's entryism.
They get their toehold into the high street in the guise of selling...
Bath products and stuff.
And they're there.
They've got a wedge in the system.
Yeah.
So they can then use their financial muscle and their high street presence to push this agenda in the guise of, hey, we just care about the planet.
Yeah, there were some other ones.
Which other ones support it?
I'm just trying to have a look.
There's some big, big, big companies that are endorsing it.
Where is it?
I can't remember where I saw it.
Maybe it was here.
Anyway, yeah, that's it.
I think it's...
Who's behind the Climate Nature Bill?
Here we go.
Yeah, it's Body Shop, of course.
Lush.
Yeah.
And, yeah, the Minister for Consumers, Emma Hardy, is Minister of Water and Flooding for Death, she's behind it.
There's 374 councils, which is basically every town council in England, 15 political parties, including, obviously, the Climate Party, the True and Fair Party.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's loads of...
Yeah, but hang on a second.
You haven't named any names that I wouldn't expect there.
Exactly, yeah.
And they're all quite obscure.
These political parties you name, they're not on many people's radar.
So what are you saying here?
Sorry, what are you talking about?
What is this thing that they're promoting?
This is the Climate and Nature Energy Bill.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, yeah.
And who's the MP behind it?
The MP is, who is it?
It's a Prime Member's Bill, Alex Sobel.
Alex Sobel?
Yeah, Labour, obviously he's Labour.
Yeah, yeah, but isn't he one of the entriest ones that...
He's Leeds North West.
Yeah.
I mean, it might be nothing, but I can't see that it is.
Bearing in mind they've already taken the inheritance tax, you know, thing to destroy family businesses, big family businesses and farms.
You know, this is almost like another nail in the coffin, isn't it?
And I can't help thinking that trying to push it through as a private member's bill, it will get support because this is what Labour's all about.
They're Nazis.
They literally are.
They want this totalitarian control.
I'm just reading up about Alex Sobel.
Alexander Sobel was born in 1975 in Hyde Park, Leeds, to parents who came to England from Israel in 1971. He grew up in Beaconsfield, blah, blah, blah.
It sounds like he's a career politician who's been...
Who's been prepared for this particular role.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think that, you know, a private member's bill, people don't take much notice of it, but actually it's something that will push.
It's almost like the thin end of the wedge that will push the bigger end through.
Well, as you say, this may have traction or it may not, but they're going to be...
Keeping sending in their troops into this or that weakness in the defences and eventually they will prevail one way or the other.
But this climate and nature bill sounds...
I love the way that you can't have nature without climate.
They always...
Can't have anything without climate.
So even if...
Why shouldn't this bill pass?
I mean, given...
The large numbers that Labour has as a result of the arranged handover in the last election.
I mean, that joke Prime Minister character, Rishi Sunak, the Conservatives were so absent, it can only have been deliberate.
Oh, it was deliberate.
It was literally handing over a baton.
Sunak, he handed it over to Starmer because they're all in the same team.
They really are.
Yes.
Yeah, they're all in the same team.
But you know that.
I know that.
Yeah.
I'm always wary of saying it to the unconverted, because I find often, you know, just like that, because without backup, because often their reaction is, well, this is what you crazy conspiracy cranks think.
You think everyone's in it.
And that nobody's for real, nobody's sincere.
Which is why I'm always trying to pin you down.
Because I know that what's really good about you, Sandy, is that you do have the documentation to...
I don't do anything without it, because that's my armoury.
Remind me of your...
The Uber document that you tracked down that explained it all in laborious and terrifying detail that you had to track down, what was that document, the thick?
Oh, that one.
Oh, that's the Global Biodiversity Assessment.
I don't think I've got it with me because I'm actually not at home at the moment.
No.
It's a massive, massive tome.
And I got a copy of that.
When I was really studying, and it was the time that I was reading your books, you know, Watermelons, Ecofascism, Rosa Corrie.
This is way back in the early, you know, mid-2000s, mid-2000s, because Ecofascism was 2013, wasn't it?
But from the early 2000s, I was sceptical because I think I told you I'd worked in the corporate world and I'd actually come across Bill Gates through Microsoft doing an event that I was working on, a very big installation of Microsoft stuff.
And I got this really weird feeling.
This was way before he obviously got into the whole health nonsense.
And I ended up...
Looking and diving deep into Agenda 21, because that's what Rosa Corrie said, you know, it's a Trojan horse for world control.
And so I read Behind the Green Mask, which was her, you know, her book, which is, you know, it's got loads of information in it, but it's only a small book, but it really, it did something to me.
It made me think, oh my gosh, there's something in this.
And then I found that...
I tracked the Earth Summit down and then I realised that they made this big, big document called the Global Diversity Assessment just after the Earth Summit.
And they published it.
And I managed to get hold of a copy, oh, probably about 12 years ago.
I don't think you can get it now.
And it's online.
You can get it online.
But reading that online would be almost impossible.
It's like a thousand, over a thousand pages.
And it's very big.
And it is a control and inventory.
A management manual on how to control everything, every resource, every mineral.
It's an inventory of every mineral, everything on our planet and what country it's in and how it is to be managed.
There's nothing in there about human beings, which is the most extraordinary thing.
It's about all the animals, the minerals, this, that and the other, and how they need to be conserved.
They talk about humans in a way that humans have destroyed the planet.
And then there's only one page where they talk about humans, and it's on page, I think it's 900. 33 or something.
And it talks about, you know, the Wildlands Project of America and human settlement zones and how the humans, because they've been so bad, have to live in human settlement zones with corridors in between.
And that is the equivalent of the smart cities.
You know, the corridors in between are the buffer zones.
They call them buffers.
So we're like those little tunnels they make to help toads cross the road or newts.
We've actually been reduced to the status of great crested newts.
Actually, we're protected.
Yes.
We should be grateful.
We're being looked after because it's for our greater good.
Because if we're let out, we just destroy everything.
We're terrible things.
We're awful creatures.
And we have to be kept in our reservations.
And it's interesting that in the Wildlands Project of America, I mean, do look it up.
It was very controversial because it was devised by a chap called David Foreman, who started Earth First.
And obviously, Earth First gave birth to Extinction Rebellion and Test Stop Oil.
And so David Foreman put this out in, I think it was early to mid-2000s, and there was a big backlash against it because he'd got this map, this huge map of North America, and most of the colour coding is red and yellow, and that's where the people aren't allowed.
And then they've got certain splodges, little...
Little bits all over.
And those are the human settlement zones.
And they've got separate ones for the indigenous people, Indian reserves.
And I think they're just treating us like, you know, we need to be kept in a reservation.
You know, that's just awful, you know.
So were a normie, let's call them, to get hold of one of these documents, they'd say...
James, Sandy, this is just pie in the sky.
This is just activists and wonks talking about stuff that's never going to happen.
Don't fret yourselves.
And even if it does happen, it won't be in our lifetime that they had to cover themselves.
You tell that to the people of Oxford and Cambridge and Canterbury with their 15-minute city.
I know it's been a disaster, it's been a failure, but it still hasn't been taken away.
They are living in, and they've even got the electric cars, have a geofencing capability now.
All electric cars, and actually apparently all cars after a certain date have got...
The technology to have this geofencing so that you won't be allowed outside the city if the government decide to press a button because cars, because of the technology of cars, they literally...
The only reason I found out about this was there's a chap called Jeff Buys Cars.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
And he said that a friend, somebody had come back because he's a car dealer and somebody come back to me and said, I want to get rid of my...
I want to get rid of my electric car because he said, I took it in for a service and they've given it a technological upgrade.
And they made it sound like something wonderful because I went back to pick the car up and they said, oh, we've given you a free technological upgrade.
And he said, thank you.
Oh, I don't know what that is, but thanks.
Anyway, he then looked at the small print.
He got bored and I think he looked at the small print.
And he realised that actually in a case of a national emergency, Apparently, the government could actually commandeer the way the car works and actually literally remote control it so it can't go past a certain point.
And this is apparently normal in a lot of cars, you know, these new cars that, you know, when they go wrong, you need some sort of computer to make them go right.
Well, apparently, I mean, I don't understand it.
I'm just a woman, aren't I? I don't understand how cars work.
But apparently, it's an invisible fence that you can't go past.
And that is absolutely...
I mean, Jeff's got all the documentation of it.
I mean, this doesn't surprise me at all.
I suppose I'm surprised that it's here so soon.
But everything is so accelerated.
I mean, it's obvious to me, for example, that the whole purpose of Tesla and self-drive cars is to take away our...
Autonomy.
They're not giving us anything.
Crap, aren't they?
The cars are rubbish.
Nobody ever, I don't believe, has said, oh, I hate driving my car.
If only I had this computerised car that could drive for me.
No one thinks that.
It's quite fun driving a car.
Yeah, I don't get people that buy automatic cars.
I love changing gear.
There's something really nice about being in control of a car.
It's great.
You're autonomous.
Yeah, it's good.
There's something terrifying about not being in control of a car as well.
Exactly.
I hate cruise control.
I get really edgy if I have to drive a car that's got cruise control because you're giving it over to the car and I would never use it.
My ex-husband used to say, oh, just put the cruise control on.
Oh, no thanks.
No.
I hate it.
I wouldn't know how to use my...
Cruise control if I've got it, even.
Yeah.
No, no.
Yes.
Oxford and Cambridge, I haven't been there.
I went to the hospital, but that's, I suppose, on the outskirts.
Oh, dear.
Right, okay.
No, Oxford was, I think, the first 15-minute city.
And what they did was they literally overnight, I mean, this was after the...
The whole Covid nonsense.
I saw the bollards.
Hmm?
Bollards and things.
Or planters.
They won't let you, they won't let, yeah, they close down roads.
So unless you had, you know, you were only allocated, I think it was 100 tokens, and one token is one day, when you could go into the city.
If you lived in that city, if you lived in the enclave of the city.
So there were people that literally can't move out of their drive because they may have used up their tokens.
But most people, like anybody from outside Canterbury or wherever it is or Oxford, Can't drive through the city centre.
You have to drive around this ring road, you know, and if you know Oxford, the ring road is congested anyway, and it's caused untold problems.
I mean, you know, people living within the city trying to get their children to school.
They're not allowed to use their car.
They have to get on buses and it's raining and it takes forever.
And people work.
They normally take their kids to school, drop them off, go off to work.
And now they're held up around this ring road that takes hours.
And it's been a total disaster for anyone living here.
Isn't this what you would call God's punishment?
For what?
Well, come on.
You know what the people who live in Oxford and Cambridge are like.
There is nobody like us there.
But Canterbury, come on.
Canterbury's such a nice...
I don't know.
I don't know about Canterbury.
Canterbury's great.
I'm suspicious of Canterbury because didn't Richard Curtis go to King's Canterbury?
Oh, that school is the seat of, yeah, a lot of bad stuff.
Interesting uniform.
Yeah.
But I think almost for having schooled Richard Curtis, I think Canterbury deserves the place.
Exactly.
And do you know, that's interesting because a lot of people...
I know who went to Kings are avid, crazy green zealots.
Really?
Isn't that funny?
Yeah.
Isn't that weird?
But, I mean, obviously I'm being slightly flippant, but not wholly.
No.
Because one reason that they've been able to get away with this stuff for so long is because...
The type of people who live in Oxford and Cambridge have gone, yes, well, we do need to be more sustainable.
And we do need to take measures to deal with our selfishness and greed.
And we need to police ourselves more.
And if people can't be trusted to do it, then maybe the state should intervene.
This is their chickens coming home to roost, is it not?
Well, that's quite funny, actually, because also the academic world has been so, you know, so...
Pushing this whole agenda as well.
The FIAS document that you cited earlier.
That's Oxford and Cambridge, yes.
That's right.
Just remind us.
The FIAS document, which again, you show it to people and they will go, yeah, but it's just an academic paper.
It means nothing.
Even though it's got the imprimatur of the University of Cambridge, University of Oxford, I think a few others as well.
Well, it was read in the House of Lords and, you know, I think it was Lord Ladderton, I can't remember his name now, but it was read in the House of Lords and they were pushing for it to be put into immediate action because, you know, not only, and I even heard somebody talking about it on the mainstream television, no, it wasn't mainstream, it was TV news the other day.
Where they're saying, well, you know, absolute zero means literally death.
You might as well say goodbye to the planet.
If there's no CO2 whatsoever, then nothing grows because it is the gas of life, as we know.
And it's bad enough having net zero, but absolute zero is crazy.
Sorry, let me pause you there.
I know what the FAST document is.
Tell me about it.
What is it?
Well, it was a document created, well, it was commissioned by the UK government from think tanks.
It's a think tank document, if you like, from Oxford, Cambridge and other universities.
I think maybe East Anglia, which is a hotbed of all of this stuff as well, got involved, but mainly Oxford and Cambridge.
And they put it together as a plan.
It was a roadmap to absolute zero.
Literally, how do we get to absolute zero?
A zero-carbon economy.
Yeah, exactly.
And the zero-carbon economy.
So there's various...
Actually, I will give you the link.
You ought to put it in the chat because on page four, they have this colourful roadmap and it literally has...
It's got from...
I think it was from 2025...
To 2029, what needed to be achieved.
And then from 2029, it was then to 2050 or something.
And literally, I mean, from now until 2029, their idea is to close down airports, for instance.
Very few, I think.
Glass and Goldfast in London.
They'll keep those open.
Heathrow?
Yeah.
Oh, I don't know.
It just says London.
It could be Gatwick or Heathrow.
I don't know.
And then from then, from 2030 or 2029 onwards to 2049, no airports whatsoever.
In and out of the UK, you know, no shipping either, no shipping.
So it would become sort of like a prison island, basically.
And they've got all sorts of other draconian things like, you know, phasing out meat and dairy from now until 2030, and then absolutely none after 2030. People don't believe it.
They look at it and they just say, oh, that's fantasy.
But our government commissioned that and read it in the House of Lords and it was put into immediate...
And you can see that it's happening because the farmers are being told that they need to phase out meat and dairy.
So we know it's happening.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
So, everything, you know, people say, well, that's a conspiracy theory, but if it's actually happening, it's not a conspiracy theory, is it?
Well, it seems to me that they operate in this grey area.
So, we've already, I've seen the FAS document, you've seen the FAS document, but it would be very easy for somebody who chose not to believe that it was a threat to say, well, the government isn't going for net zero.
I mean, it's reducing carbon emissions by a certain percentage, but it's not going for absolute zero, number one.
And they'd say, two, look, this is just a discussion document which responds to the question, if we want to go to absolute zero, what would we have to do?
So they will say this is hypothetical.
Meanwhile, They carry on with policies which actually are going to achieve those goals.
But they're saying...
You see how they operate?
Yeah, it's the whole double-think thing, isn't it?
It's, you know, they put a document out.
You're absolutely right, because it does seem...
And that's half of our battle.
Yes.
Because it does sound like some crazy fantasy world of evil that people say, oh, you're just believing in that because you want to.
No, I don't.
I would love our whole world to go back to the way it was.
And to a lot of people, they haven't even noticed it's changed.
And that's the problem.
But actually, it's just getting more and more dystopian.
And that's by design.
I mean, the clever thing is that they put out these documents and it doesn't come from central government.
It's a think tank document.
So therefore, people can say, oh, well, that's not from government, is it?
It's a think tank.
Yeah, even though they commissioned it.
It's a bit like the Club of Rome reports were commissioned by the UN for the Club of Rome.
You know, brought those out.
And when they brought those out, they were just literally chucking around ideas, isn't it?
It's just, you know, it's just a think tank.
Well, no, it's not, because everything that happened in those Club of Rome reports are happening now.
So it's, yeah, it's just the way they operate.
It's an MO at the end of the day.
It's a modus operandi, and that's how they work.
Yes, because I think there's two factors at play here.
You've looked into the United Nations and its spiritual affiliations and that it is essentially a Luciferian project.
They've even got a room, haven't they, in their New York headquarters with a black...
Is that where the black cube is?
It's a black cube, yeah.
But there's more than that.
I mean, Alice Bailey was hugely influential in the United Nations.
And what's interesting is the...
Now, what's it called?
It's called the...
Something of Goodwill.
Gosh, hang on a minute.
Yeah, Alice Bailey, in the UN Library.
They've got all her books in the UN library.
And she set up the Lucis Trust, which is the UN's publishing company, as we know.
Well, you and I know, people listening may not know.
But the Lucis Trust is really a Luciferian organisation.
It was set up by Alice Bailey in the 1920s, and it was called the Lucifer Trust.
And all her ideologies about...
You know, sort of setting up a world government and a world bank and a world everything came from Alice Bailey.
She had a 12-point plan about literally how life should be under what she called world goodwill.
And what's interesting is world goodwill is still an arm of the United Nations.
Alice Bailey set it up.
The people that subsidise World Goodwill, and it's called the World Group of World Servers.
And the group of world servers are people like Bill Gates and the WEF. And actually, World Goodwill, you can go onto the Lucis Trust website and there's a section.
It talks about world goodwill.
And the people that fund it are the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, among others.
So it's all integrated with this Luciferian agenda.
Yes, it's all there.
For anybody to see, do your homework.
I did do a talk in this, funnily enough, at the...
Oh, sorry.
I did do a talk at the...
I thought I'd turn that off.
Sorry.
I did.
I turned it off.
It's because I've got my computer on and they're linked.
Anyway.
Do you know what?
I have a similar problem.
I hate it when people call me on my phone and it goes through to my computer.
How does it do that?
Often I've got my phone in another room and I don't know how to answer on my computer.
Anyway.
Yeah, so the whole Alice Bailey thing, I mean, she was a student of Madame Blavatsky who actually worshipped Satan.
I mean, and people say, oh, no, no, you know, Alice Bailey, she was a Christian.
No, she talks about God.
And she talks about the Christ, but she talks about the coming Christ.
Oh, well, they love the Christ because he's a so-called ascended master.
Exactly.
He's one of the many.
And all these ascended masters, like Dwaul Kool and all that, she bangs on about those.
They're not.
The thing is, she was a very, very unstable woman.
She'd had a nervous...
I think it was...
Five suicide attempts by the time she was 15 or something.
Very, very.
And during that time, she said that these scented masters came to her.
What were they masters or were they demons?
I mean, and they whispered in her ear and she's suddenly become this big person that the UN take all their, you know, rules.
Well, obviously, that's the whole rabbit hole, which we haven't got time to go to.
I know, I know.
We do a whole thing about Alice Bailey, honestly.
I was just trying to really introduce the point that the organisation, which, by the way, was set up by the Rockefellers.
Yes.
Who are behind the whole climate scam.
Well, I mean, there's an argument that the Rockefellers were merely tools of the Rothschilds and other families, but nevertheless, the Rockefellers were instrumental.
In setting up the League of Nations, which became the United Nations, they own a chunk of land on which the UN headquarters is located.
And the Geneva one as well.
They own that land too.
They pushed the whole climate agenda.
They invented the climate agenda, in fact, from the 1940s onwards.
And what I was going to say was the Luciferian nature of the United Nations, which is pushing all this stuff, You talk to anyone who's looked into these bloodlines families and their Satan worship, Lucifer worship, whatever, and one of their perversely moral codes is that they have to tell you what they're doing.
Karmically, they are obliged to tell you what they're doing, which is why, for example, you get all these.
You get Klaus Schwab.
Saying, you will own nothing and be happy.
They don't hide this stuff from us.
And they feel that by showing us what they're doing, they are absolved from their karmic responsibility because they've told us.
And if we shrug our shoulders and go, well, they don't mean it, they don't care.
They've done their job.
Exactly.
I mean, I think that's it.
They do.
It's this whole thing about karma that they think that they need to be absolved of any guilt.
Tell me about the other thing that you talked about on that podcast I listened to a while back about this part of the plan is to go from small farms run by families for generations to these big kind of eco What are there?
These huge, huge farms run on gigantic lines.
Yeah.
And again, this will be put into the chat.
It's called The Path to Sustainable Farming, an Agricultural Transition Plan of 2021 to 2024. And this is the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
This is a government department.
department they put out this uh a while back and um they they say i mean what this means by 2028 the aim is that farmers will be running that this is what they say in this report by 2028 our aim is that all farmers will be running sustainable businesses that do not need to rely on public subsidy um Okay, so they're taking away the subsidies.
They're taking away the subsidies.
They want them to access public money to help them deliver environmental and animal welfare outcomes on the land they manage and to help their businesses become more productive and sustainable, meeting clear, relevant and outcome-focused legal standards that champion UK food internationally, prevent environmental harm, protect biosecurity and protect animal welfare.
It sounds great, doesn't it?
Animal welfare, biosecurity.
Yeah.
But when you look at that document, I mean, I haven't got the bullet points because I didn't realise we were going to do this today, but the bullet points are that they want to literally turn the farmers into businessmen.
So the farms, they can't operate anything that's unsustainable on their farms.
It's got to be, and they regard...
Meat and dairy is unsustainable and chickens and everything else, I think.
But certainly meat and dairy is the one that they've definitely documented that they're targeting to be got rid of.
And you'll be sanctioned with biodiversity net gain sanctions.
It's a financial instrument that they use.
You'll be sanctioned if you don't meet the stewardship.
That they think you should be meeting.
So what they intend to do, I mean, the long game of this is I would advise people to look at the Sainsbury's Future of Food report, which is very, very dystopian.
They're saying in the future we won't have farmers at all.
Supermarkets will actually create all the food and it will all be indoors, vertical farming.
And there will be no meat production.
It will be 3D printed meat, all that kind of stuff.
And bugs, crickets, seaweed will be eating jellyfish.
And they're very, very, they're quite funny about this.
I mean, they literally, I mean, honestly, on this thing I've got here, it says...
The CEO of Sainsbury's said, in the future, farmers won't exist.
The supermarkets will produce all the food for future using AI technology.
And then they've got the Sainsbury's Future of Food report from 2025 to 2169. And Claire Hughes, the head of quality innovation at Sainsbury's, says, you know, due to our rising eco-anxiety, health concerns and awareness of animal welfare, it's likely that a quarter of all British people will be vegetarian.
And flexitarian.
In the future, innovation with plant-based realm will continue with banana blossom, replacing cod.
They're talking about algae milk lattes.
They're talking about insect carbonaras.
It sounds really delicious, doesn't it?
Jellyfish suppers, cultured meat.
By 2050, we could start to see cultured meat shift from...
A very expensive experiment becoming more of an everyday item.
Sainsbury's could be selling home lab grown meat kits.
Which can be picked up from the lab-grown aisle.
I mean, it sounds absolutely vile.
But they do talk about, in the agricultural document, that one, they do talk about 24-7 robotic super farms, where everything is...
And they talk about developing insect biomass as a farming product.
So it's all there in a government document.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, apart from the Sainsbury's Future of Food, it's there in a government document, yeah.
You say they don't want meat and dairy.
How open are they about this, and what's the excuse given for...
Well, they say it's unsustainable.
They say that it's easier to, it's expensive to put the grain through a cow.
Why don't you eat the grain?
You know, why don't you just eat bread, rather?
You know, they're saying that cows fart, don't they?
They fart.
Do they say that as well?
Yeah, they say...
Well, they don't say that in that document, but the scientists at the moment, this is why we have bovia in our cow's milk, because...
And Bovia shrinks cows' ovaries.
I mean, it can't be good for humans.
But that's why they put that into the cow's milk, because the government was saying the cows are farting.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I got briefly involved.
I started looking into it and I read a piece about it, about Bovia.
And I could see that this stuff is potentially...
Toxic.
There are special handling instructions and if you believe that you are what you eat, then you really don't want to be drinking the milk of cows that have been fed this Beauvoir.
It's a baked natural.
So then I, well, number one, I started making sure that I only drink organic milk from now on, because that seems to be protected.
Raw milk is better, yeah.
Yeah, but they're fighting a war on raw milk.
They're trying again to say that, you know, it's got bird flu in it and tuberculosis.
And there's all sorts of shenanigans going on to stop people from drinking raw milk as well.
So, yeah, anything.
Well, I'm glad you've got a good raw milk supply near you.
Yes, yes, I do.
That's good.
I've got one up the road in Leicestershire, which is interesting.
It's doable if you buy it as a sort of collective.
Anyway, I read a couple of pieces by my friend Jamie Blackett.
And Jamie, I think, is one of the best writers on...
Rural affairs.
And he's very sympathetic.
I like him a lot.
I find him very readable.
He's written some good books.
And he knows where off he speaks because he runs a dairy farm.
Actually, and maybe beef cattle too, I think, in Scotland.
And he uses techniques like mob grazing or a version of mob grazing so that you get the best use of the land.
So he does a lot of stuff right.
But he wrote a very, very limp-wristed piece, or possibly a couple of pieces, for The Telegraph on the subject of Beauvoir.
And he came up with this deeply disingenuous line where he said, look, what can we do?
The public want us to be more sustainable.
They ask us to give us milk which is sustainable.
And I was thinking...
No, they don't.
You just made that up.
I can't believe that there are people sort of wearing, holding placards outside your farm saying, make your milk more sustainable, stop your cows farting.
No real person is saying this.
This is pure top-down stuff.
And the farmers are just caving because they're going, well, if I don't put Beauvoir in, then they're going to be harder on me with...
I mean, I agree they're between a rock and a hard place.
Nevertheless, This is how evil wins, when nobody fights back.
Yeah, that's the trouble.
And I think that the farmers are undergoing, I mean, since this whole, you know, inheritance tax thing, I think it has given them a big jolt to suddenly realise that the government aren't batting for them, basically.
Nor is the NFU. Yeah, the NFU has been dreadful, haven't they?
The NFU has been brought up.
That's the National Farmers Union.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Yeah.
But all the unions have been infiltrated by it.
They've been co-opted.
Yeah.
And I think it's, you know, there are some farmers that are breaking away now.
I mean, I was talking to a farmer early this morning.
And, you know, he's been awake for a long time.
And he said, look, a lot of the farmers have...
Come out because they think it's a government thing.
You know, it's like what you say.
They think it's a Labour thing.
They think, oh, they're trying to take our inheritance away, you know, pushing up the inheritance tax.
But actually, it's not about inheritance.
And protesting to the government, cap in hand, saying, you know, don't tax us, is ridiculous because actually what they...
What the government wants to do, and it's any government, it doesn't care whether it's Labour or Conservative, this is going to happen anyway.
Because it's a directive from the UN and the WEF that we have to disable our farms so that they can be repurposed into these super farms.
It's all about corporates.
It's all about being corporate-led.
It's a bit like shifting the power over to stakeholder capitalism.
And unfortunately, you know, most people don't understand.
And you talk to farmers, they've got no idea that we at the moment are being transitioned.
I mean, this is all in Klaus Schwab's book, you know.
Literally transitioned from 2020. It was a 10-year transition to 2030 to get us into a different political and economic ideology called stakeholder capitalism, which is all about, instead of it being run by private ownership, it's run by not state ownership, not like the Soviets, but it's run by big corporations, big corporations who run everything.
And those big corporations aren't us.
It's not private.
So we've become Blade Runner, basically.
Because in Blade Runner, the world's run by corporations.
It's all about commerce.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, of course, it's not all about commerce.
It's not just all about commerce.
No, I mean, there's nothing wrong with commerce.
But this is about control, actually.
It's not about commerce.
It's about control.
I was going to say, yeah.
I mean, that's the more serious thing.
It's about turning us into...
It's about corporate control.
And that's what I meant.
It's not about commerce.
In fact, it's the reverse because they don't want a commercial economy.
They want to shut all that down.
Because at the end of the day, it's communism or totalitarianism.
Call it whatever you like.
But it's the way that our world is being taken over right now.
Did you ever meet Rosa?
How do you pronounce her name?
Corrie?
No, we spoke a lot on the phone.
She never, ever came to England.
And I could never get over to America.
And it was so sad because we did have quite a good rapport.
You know, we used to email and chat over the phone and stuff.
But, yeah, she died under rather strange circumstances.
Well, she got turbo-cancered.
I mean, she got off, basically.
And even her partner mentioned that there was something very, very wrong about.
So I think, yeah, she was a good person.
And it was funny because she really galvanised me into doing it because at the time I was very busy.
I was running a business and I was doing all this stuff, you know, almost like in my spare time and doing talks on Agenda 21. And I remember I did a big, big thing in Totnes at the Seven Stars.
And I asked Rosa if she'd come in on a link, you know, some kind of Zoom link.
And she was going to do it.
And then she said she was moving house or something.
She said, I can't do it.
And I went, oh my God, what are we going to do?
You know, we've got you booked in.
You're on the poster.
And she said, you do it.
You do it.
And I suddenly realised, because that's what I'm saying to people now, you know, you don't get me to do it.
You do it.
I run about all over the place.
No, you do it.
And she said, you do it.
She said, you've got all the information, Sandy.
You can be me.
In the UK. Not that I think I've ever aspired to that, to be honest, or achieved it.
But to a degree, I have continued, you know, a lot of her work in the UK. And she said, you do it.
You've got all the information at your fingertips.
So I did.
I stood up and I did the talk.
And I said, look, Rosa can't be here.
She's got problems.
And this is me.
And that's the way it's been ever since.
And then she got taken out.
Yeah.
So I better watch my step.
Well, yeah.
I mean, there are pros and cons to that, aren't there?
I mean, on the upside, you don't get to see any more of the shit show.
Yes, that's true.
And I'm not scared of death at all because I've got my, you know, you know where I come from.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not.
Well, no, but, you know, I do believe in, you know, that this isn't the end when you die from this mortal pain.
Yeah.
No, I'm sure that's right.
And I'm sure that's probably why we do what we do, because we've been given a mission.
I was doing a Psalms podcast the other day, which I commend to you with Johnny Woodrow on the subject of Psalm 84, and I did one of my digressions.
Somehow I introduced the subject of David Attenborough and how thoroughly evil he is, because this particular point had never occurred to me, and Johnny helped point it up for me,
which is that people, the reason that David Attenborough's wildlife programs are so popular is because it gives people to The chance to marvel at the extraordinary beauty of God's creation.
I mean, animals that do, you know, little sea otters with their, lying on their backs and doing whatever they do, and gorillas that David Attenborough can go and be whispery voice to, and fish that send, or chameleons that trap insects with their tongues, and fish that do the same thing.
And anglerfish that have...
It's all a miracle, isn't it?
It's all extraordinary.
And it's all incredibly...
It's mind-blowing.
Yeah.
But Johnny made the point that the forces of darkness cannot create.
They can only destroy.
And they can only kind of simulate.
It's interesting that these new farms are going to be run by AI, by artificial intelligence.
And in the same way, what...
What the nature programs are doing, they're piggybacking off God's creation and perverting it.
They're turning it into a thing, not for joy, but for guilt and self-recrimination.
So the message every time you watch David Adams' documentaries is, look at this beautiful thing which you've just destroyed, or you're about to destroy, or unless you mend your ways, you're going to destroy.
You should feel bad about this.
Exact opposite.
Guilt and shame, guilt and shame, yeah.
Of the way that we should and do naturally feel towards these things.
And I was thinking, by extension of this, everything that happens, everything that is being done to nature, the fact that they've shoehorned the word nature onto this climate and nature bill, they claim to be looking after nature.
But actually what they're doing is destroying it.
I see it every day around me.
I see that the way that the reluctance to manage particular wildlife populations, for example, badgers, means that there are no hedgehogs anymore.
The way they've allowed red kites to...
Which was a reintroduced species and maybe there was a case for maybe there wasn't but but red kites they're wiping out a lot of the other stuff although you you hear people saying they don't they only carry and I don't believe that and and and so it goes on you you see farmland which is which is designed for rearing livestock instead being abused for For,
I don't know, this so-called renewable energy, which actually is not green.
It destroys bats.
And at the same time, down the road, the bats that are being chopped up or they're being barotraumatised, that's what they do.
They explode.
They implode.
The pressure of the turbine blades causes the bats to implode.
And meanwhile, in their colonies, you can't go near them because...
Because of bat regulations.
It's so perverse, and once you look into all this stuff, once you see the mechanisms, you cannot but be appalled.
I'm so glad that you do what you do, because a lot of people haven't got the appetite for it, or the boredom.
They can't get with the boredom of wading through the documents like you do.
Do you get a good reaction from people at your meetings?
I do.
I get a fantastic reaction.
It's almost like I cannot stop.
In my head, I'm driven by something that says you've got to do this.
Future generations, you know, for me, it's future generations.
I'm not thinking, you know, I'm quite old, you know, I'll die soon, whatever.
I don't want to bring that on, obviously, but it's inevitable that one does die.
And I think that this, you know, I won't live to see.
If we do win this battle, and we have to, otherwise it's the end of the human condition.
I think I've said that before.
We have to win this battle because literally it's the end of humans.
And humans, you know, in my view, need to live in site symbiosis with nature.
This is what we were here for.
I honestly believe that really, you know, I'm doing this really to, you know, as you are, I'm sure, for future generations.
And hopefully somebody else will pick up the batons that we've been talking about.
Yeah.
I'm not sure that it's quite scripturally.
Biblically accurate.
We're not meant to live in symbiosis.
We've been given dominion.
Dominion over.
Well, I don't.
Yes, I know.
But there are some symbiotic relationships like, you know, forestry management.
You know, if you leave a forest to just go, you know, go, go, go.
Well, that's, yeah, that's the stewardship bit, isn't it?
Yeah, stewardship.
We're here to actually look after it and to, yeah, and to live with it and enjoy it.
It's like having a horse.
If you're going to keep a horse, it's a major, major responsibility.
Oh, absolutely.
You've got to put yourself before the horse.
I think that is the deal.
You've got to keep an eye open to it because it's a horse.
The horse is not a human.
No.
You as the human know better what the horse needs because you can see things that the horse can't see because it's just a horse.
That's the deal.
I think so many people don't get about...
I think a lot of country people instinctively do, which is why we are so aghast at what's being done to the country.
I mean, the farmers around me are just giving up.
Well, they mustn't give up.
I mean, if you want...
There are...
I mean, unfortunately, you know, I'm going to say this, and I might get into trouble, who knows.
But the farmers' movement...
It's being taken down, I think, you know, there's a lot of influences either right or willfully or unwillfully.
They're taking the farmers down a route.
A whole load of people were saying, oh, you know, you've got to blockade the supermarkets.
That's a really bad idea because this playbook was used in the Bolshevik Revolution.
Where during the Bolshevik Revolution, the same thing happened.
The government decided, or the state, not the government, decided to tax all the farmers because they wanted the land.
They wanted to steal the land.
And so they taxed the farmers.
The farmers revolted and stopped the food chain to show, look, we produce the food and this is where you're going to get it from.
And then the state punished them by...
Taking their land, saying that they were the problem.
They were stopping the food supply.
And, you know, what better way of getting the land seized than to say, right, blockade the supermarkets.
What a bad idea that is.
And as it's a kind of Bolshevik playbook, of course, you know, why do that?
Why play into their hands?
You know, farmers have to be strategic and also have to understand.
That their land is going to be seized if they don't actually, you know, it's a bit like this bill is all about land seizure.
They have to know about this climate and nature bill.
When you say the farmers should be strategic, what are you thinking?
What should they do?
I haven't got all the answers, but I would think some kind of direct action that doesn't impose, they need to keep the people.
The people that buy from supermarkets at the moment, they need to somehow, I mean, it's impossible for them to just sell direct to the people.
That's just not, they haven't got the mechanisms.
They've been selling to supermarkets in such quantities.
It's simply not possible.
Yes, they can open up farm shops, but that whole thing is going to have to take a long time to transition.
And of course, the supermarkets aren't going to give up, are they?
They're going to fight.
Yeah.
So then what?
I don't know.
I don't have the answers.
You kind of need someone.
I mean, with respect, it's easy to say they should be more strategic.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
But what I'm saying is do everything.
Encourage people not to go to supermarkets, maybe.
Encourage them to go to farm shops.
Because a lot of people would, but then the farm shops aren't producing in the quantities that people need.
So I don't know what the solution is, but there will be people that will always, they won't listen and they'll go to supermarkets.
But there's still a proportion of people that won't.
And that needs to build up.
The farm shops need to get bigger and bigger.
But it can't be done overnight.
And I think...
Preventing people from going into supermarkets is bad anyway.
You know, we've got free will.
We can go.
We should be able to.
If you want to go into a supermarket, do it.
If you want to get jabbed, do it.
It's not a good idea.
Give people the knowledge that they need to know what their choices are, informed consent, but do not prevent people from going to supermarkets because you're going to lose the people.
Do you see what I mean?
Yeah.
I haven't got any solutions either, but I just, I'm a great believer in knowledge is power, even though the man who said that, Francis Bacon, was probably a baddie.
He was a Rosicrucian, wasn't he?
Yeah, I think so.
But nevertheless, I think that this is, at least in part, an information war.
Yeah.
And until and unless farmers understand The true nature of the war being waged against them.
They're always going to be fighting the wrong enemy.
They're going to, as you say, they're going to be thinking that the government...
Oh, it's those...
It's Keir Starmer and those lefties in the government.
They don't understand country people.
Unlike the Conservatives.
Lol.
And if only...
Nigel Farage, he wouldn't let this happen.
Of course he would.
He's just as much a problem as anybody.
No, we know what Nigel Farage is about.
But, you know, the thing is that, in a way, the whole party political system needs to, I don't know, needs to be changed or go away or whatever.
I don't know.
I don't quite know how it should work.
But there's no one at the moment that is really, everyone says, oh, yes, reform are working for us.
And they're saying a lot of good things.
They are.
But they all say a lot of good things until they're in power, don't they?
Yes.
So I just don't know.
I mean, Farage is a, you know, he's a, you know, he's an opportunist.
He's a, he's an entrepreneur.
He's a businessman.
I don't know.
I don't really know whether he would actually, would he, would he help the farmers?
I don't know.
Well, no, you do know.
Come on, because, because you know his name and he's in politics.
We've already, come on.
I mean, stop, stop riding a unicorn to fantasy land.
You know jolly well that he's going to be no good, because that is the nature of the system.
The decisions are made at a supranational level.
Supranational level.
At things like...
So there's no hope at all.
Yes, well, God.
God.
So God is going to help.
You know, I'd love that.
I'd love that to happen.
I mean, the only way that...
You know, I've been chucking this around my head at night.
You know, how would God save us from all this?
And...
You know, it could be a solar flare or whatever, you know, it could be some sort of Armageddon type thing.
But how will God save us?
Tell me.
Well, Christ returns.
Is he coming?
Tell me.
Well, I mean, I don't know whether we'll be around when he...
But...
Yeah, I mean, the thing is that if this continues, I think there will be a Holodomor in Europe, you know, like there was in 1919 or whenever it was.
So, you know, I think we've just got to...
Well, the original Holodomor was man-made, engineered, deliberately.
Well, this is, yeah.
And this is as well.
So, yeah, that's what they're heading for.
I mean, given that they control the weather.
Given that last winter and this winter have just been, I mean, the rainfall has been something else.
That's part of their multi-pronged strategy to drive farmers out of business because a lot of farmers are thinking, I can't get out into my fields to plant my crop.
So what's the point?
I know what I'll do.
I'll take these subsidies, rather these payoffs, which by handy coincidence are being made available to hard-pressed farmers.
So they're being dangled in front of them.
I mean, that's the power that you can wield when you are able to control, manipulate the weather and you're in charge of the purse strings.
Yeah, I mean...
It's awful because there's this word hope.
People say, have we got any hope?
And I think, oh, I don't know.
You know, I'd like to say, I mean, I suppose being a sceptic and being somebody that I do believe in God and I do love the teachings of Jesus Christ.
To get me wrong, I've been brought up in the Christian faith and I still am.
I identify as a Christian.
But I just, you know, sometimes I think is...
How long will it be before we have to, you know, this is Armageddon, isn't it?
This is some kind of weird, horrible end-time stuff, isn't it, really?
Yes.
Yes.
Well, yet a little while, and the ungodly shall be clean gone.
Thou shalt look after his place, and he shall be away.
So that's what the Psalms are telling you.
Which Psalm is that?
Is that Psalm 84?
Psalm 37. Do you know I should look at the Psalms?
That's the Psalm.
I think that's one of David's Psalms.
And a lot of them, what the Psalms are saying is, come on!
We've suffered enough!
The baddies are winning all the time!
Come on, where do you...
And the psalm says, patience, patience.
Unfortunately, when you think that the psalms were written, maybe some of them were like 3,000 years ago, and we're still waiting.
Well, maybe there's something in that, you know, what's...
Yeah, who knows?
I don't know.
I don't know.
But anyway, Sandy, I think, look, you're doing your bit.
I shall try and post up some of these documents, or maybe even get...
Maybe even post up the actual documents.
I don't know.
Yes.
People ought to look at them.
Yeah.
Where can they find your stuff?
Well, I'm mainly on...
I'm setting up my Rumble channel.
I've been very, very bad at this because I don't like being in public eye too much.
YouTube took down my YouTube channel.
Yeah, well, duh.
Yeah, I know.
So I'm setting up a Rumble channel and apparently I've got to have a brand.
I've got to be branded like cattle, apparently.
And I've got this lovely person that's offered to do it for free because I've got no money and I really ought to get somehow monetised.
So he's setting me up a brand.
And so I have got most of my talks are on Rumble.
In fact, all of them are because they got taken off YouTube.
So, yeah, go to Rumble, just type in Sandy Adams, Agenda 2030, whatever.
And all my talks come up, most of them.
And you can find me on X and Instagram and Facebook.
What's your X handle?
My X handle is at Sandy Adams 2030. Okay, great.
Well, if you get the chance to hear one of Sandy's talks, I recommend it.
And I am writing this book.
It's taking forever, but I will finish it.
Oh, well, good.
Like your talk to the, was it Glastonbury Council?
Oh yeah, that was funny.
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Thank you again, Sandy Adams.
Thank you.
Thanks James.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition to my 2012 classic book.
Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually.
The first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when...
The people behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed, in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scan.
I then asked the question, OK, if it is a scan...
Who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk/shop You'll probably find that one.
Just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that "Oh, it's a disaster, we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Gaia." There we go.
