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Welcome to the Delling Pod, Guy Anderson.
So this is my first podcast of the new year and I'm very excited, as always.
We're going to talk about Interallia, Tartaria and about Tesla and about Cabbage Patch Kids and...
This is a conspiracy theory, so-called, that I haven't really delved into.
And you're the perfect man to talk about it because you've written a book about it called...
Can people read that?
Tesla and the Cabbage Patch Kids.
And I have to say, it's a beautifully put-together book.
I like the fact that it's got this hardback.
Was it expensive to produce?
Well, no.
I had some problems getting a publisher, so I had to go through Amazon.
Nobody would touch it.
And I think that it's because of the content.
And if you look, for example, at, say, HarperCollins, which is a Masonic publisher, they're not about to be wanting to print anything that I've written in that book.
So I had to go that route.
That's interesting you say that.
How do you know?
I'm not disputing it, but just out of interest.
How do you know that HarperCollins is a Masonic publisher?
A couple of people that I asked for help right at the beginning, one of them being Richard Vobes, having had lots of guests on his show that have written books, I asked him if he had any recommendations, and also David Icke, if they had any recommendations on publishers.
And I was hit with several emails from people saying, well, HarperCollins won't touch you.
They're apparently a Masonic publisher.
Right.
And so I've not looked into it, but I contacted several and they said due to the content, it wasn't something they'd be able to publish.
Right.
I would suspect that it's not just HarperCollins, which is a Masonic publisher.
They're all Masonic.
I mean, Masonic in the sense of they are controlled by the powers that be.
And you can use Masonic interchangeably with Illuminati and the Cabal.
Everything is controlled.
But it's particularly interesting hearing you say that because you are an ex.
Is that right?
An ex for you?
Yeah, in theory I'm an X, because of course there is this theory that I haven't practiced yet, that once you're in, you're in for life, and you can't ever leave, like Hotel California.
But they've not spoken to me for a very long time.
So as far as I'm concerned, I am X. Interesting.
I know somebody very close to me who was a Freemason and realised eventually that it was incompatible with his Christian beliefs and also his down-the-rabbit-hole beliefs.
And so he announced that he was going to leave.
And they made it.
They don't like it.
They think you're there for life.
And you know that, I've talked to Christian ex-Freemasons about this, and they say that part of the initiation process, when you get so-called hoodwinked, they do actually prick you in order to sort of turn it into a kind of blood oath.
No.
You don't reckon?
No, no.
You have a dagger placed against your chest, but it doesn't actually prick.
It's symbology.
So it's not actually piercing the skin at all.
But, yeah, I mean, in theory, you are signing yourself over to the craft.
The craft?
Yes.
Before we move on to Tartaria, let's talk a bit about your experiences as a Freemason.
I was interested to read, you talk about this in the intro to your book, about what it was that drew you to Freemasonry.
You wanted to find out stuff about the true nature of the world.
Your dad was a Freemason?
Yeah, yeah, so in theory still is as well, but yeah.
From a young age, I saw him leaving every now and again with a morning suit on.
And this briefcase?
Yeah, which is oversized because it carries the apron.
So it's sort of twice the size of your regular briefcase.
And I used to wonder what he was doing.
And my mum, she used to say, are you wearing your pinny today?
Off to the girl guides and really ridiculed him.
No, mum.
I managed to sort of not pick the lock but work out the combination on the lock on his briefcase because in the end it was our phone number.
So a series of attempts, birthdays and so on and I got all of the stuff out and a lot of the words were Well, abbreviated, or they just maybe have the first letter and the last letter of certain words.
So you couldn't, unless you knew what you were reading, you couldn't really piece it together.
And I found it fascinating.
And as I got older, I started asking him about it.
And then when I turned 18, he started inviting me along to ladies' nights, where once a year, the master of the lodge holds a celebration for the women.
For putting up with the men disappearing and coming home drunk seven or eight times a year.
And I found it fascinating.
I was meeting all of these people.
And my dad would say, well, this is the MP for so-and-so.
And this is the right honourable, blah, blah, blah.
And this gentleman here is a judge.
And I really wanted to get involved in it.
And my dad was massively into conspiracy theories, so with particular emphasis on Egypt.
And I thought if I joined, then I would have all of this information that he clearly has, but didn't.
But that's what I believed.
And I wanted to know who built the pyramids.
And I thought that that was the way to find out.
Right.
And did you find out?
No.
No.
Yeah, what I realised was it's got two sides to it.
One is the image that the public see, where quite often there's a lot of charity work being done, usually involving children, children's hospitals, children's wards, and they like to be seen to do that, and they do raise an awful lot of money.
For charity.
But there's another side to it.
And that is that the people that join usually, not always, but usually they have an agenda.
And it may well be that they want to get on at work in their chosen career, or they think it's going to get them a get out of jail free card.
And they're going to almost manipulate their circumstances with a handshake and a few token words here and there.
And that's what I saw.
And I think it was perhaps more prevalent where I was because my lodge met at Great Queen Street, which is the headquarters in the UK. It's the Grand Lodge of the United Kingdom.
It just happens to be that a lot of the people in my lodge are serving police officers at Scotland Yard and it's on the doorstep.
And so it's quite easy and prestigious for them to hold the meetings there.
And so I saw people go through the ranks at an incredible rate that just defied logic.
I think when you're younger and you're struggling to make sense of the world and you wonder what you're going to do as a career and you think about all your life goals and a lot of those life goals would involve Money in one way or another because you're trying to get a mortgage.
You want a job that pays you well enough to indulge whatever your hobbies are and stuff.
And you want to be able to get a nice wife, presumably.
And you think, well, to have a family, I'm going to need more dosh and so on.
And the idea of joining this club where for the price of getting drunk seven or eight times a year, You get career advancement, rapid career advancement, and you get a foot on the ladder and then several more rungs up the ladder.
I can see why that would be very attractive to a lot of people.
And I think my younger self might have thought that, although weirdly I always resisted the blandishments of those members of my family who wanted me to become Freemasons.
But now, my understanding of the world, I think, Secret societies are the bane of the world because, necessarily, they are cheating the rest of the world, aren't they?
They are giving people unearned privileges through secrecy.
Yes.
And that can't be a good thing.
No, I totally agree.
I can give you a classic example without naming any names, but I watched quite a high ranking.
Freemason, who's very well respected in London and in Surrey.
When I joined, he was a detective sergeant for British Transport Police and actually was involved in the bombings that happened.
Or didn't happen.
You mean the London tube?
Yeah, yeah.
Where that poor Brazilian electrician was murdered.
Yes.
Yes, yes, absolutely right.
Absolutely.
And I watched him, as he progressed through Freemasonry, he went from the British, just a detective sergeant, British Transport Police, to Gordon Brown's advisor for the Met.
Now, he isn't someone that would have had, normally, had any dealings with, or being...
Any situation that would get him that far up the rung that quickly.
And within moments of him doing that, he became the managing director of the Masonic Lodge in Surbiton, which is used for a lot of big functions.
And it all happened through his work in Freemasonry.
And I also watched, you would have, for example, a detective constable.
And he would be...
Perhaps progressing reasonably well through Freemasonry.
And his inspector shows an interest in joining.
So the inspector joins the lodge.
And of course, for the rest of the, at least the Masonic career of the inspector, he's beholden to the constable that initiated him and proposed him into Freemasonry.
So all of a sudden, you know, you've got...
Promotions.
Perhaps something goes wrong at work.
You can't harm another brother.
You've made an oath to do them no harm.
And that could be overlooking someone for a promotion.
It could be anything at all.
And I watched it all the time.
All the time.
People that just, to me, seemed totally incapable of perhaps even remembering to turn up to a lodge meeting on time, let alone put them in charge of a serious case.
promoted beyond any sort of logic.
And it was sort of like the Peter principle.
They were promoted to their highest level of incompetence.
Yes.
And I watched it all the time.
So it's corrupt and people use it.
And I think perhaps the police in particular Yes.
through their career.
Yeah.
And the sort of the ritual...
You have to learn screeds of ritual, don't you?
Yes, you do.
Hiram, what's he called?
Hiram?
Hiram Abiff.
Who is the master builder or something?
Yeah, so King Solomon's architect and master builder, yeah.
So we are forever in mourning, in theory, to Hiram Abiff.
So that's why...
The masons wear mourning suits, look like they're going to refuse it.
Is that right?
Yeah, you're forever in mourning to Hiram Abiff, the first Freemason or Master Freemason that gave his life rather than hand over the handshake and passwords.
Yeah, he was killed and you are in mourning to him whenever you attend.
Right.
So you didn't learn anything about...
The true nature of the world.
Well, you did, actually.
You learned quite a bit.
You learned how it really works.
You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's not what you know, it's who you know.
It is.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
But I didn't learn what I thought I was going.
So I found it interesting.
But there are offshoots.
You have the craft, which is your typical Freemason Lodge.
And obviously...
They're everywhere.
Every town has a Masonic lodge, but there are offshoots and they call them chapters.
So one of them is the Knights Templar.
Yeah.
And that was what I was interested in.
Did you get some armor?
No, just the white smock.
Yeah.
But the white smock with the Red Cross.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what sort of robes or?
Yeah, like a robe.
And I would see them all the time because at Great Queen Street, where I was, they met there.
So you'd be walking down the corridor and it's a little bit like being in Hogwarts.
You would walk along the corridor and they would walk past and, you know, we're all talking and we could, at that point, we could still smoke inside the building.
So you'd be having...
Some of them having a cigar while they're standing up having a pee.
And you're all chatting and then having a coffee with each other later and meeting across the road for a beer in the Four Pillars, the pub across the road.
Wow.
Yeah.
Is there a kind of snobbery between the sex?
Do people, for example, if you're a Templar...
You get to wear your special smock.
Do you look on the people in their aprons and go, yeah, you're not really in the game.
I'm a Templer.
Yeah, absolutely.
And there is, because you have these, you have ranks.
And if you stayed in London for more than, once you become the master of the lodge, if you remained in that lodge for 10 years, you became a...
Well, you had Grand Rank, London Grand Rank.
And in the provinces, it's called Provincial Grand Rank.
So 10 years after becoming a master of a lodge, which is relatively easy to do because it's just progression.
Each year, everybody's promoted.
I left two years before I was going to be the master of the lodge I was at.
And then 10 years after you've been there, well...
The first year after you've been a master, you are called a past master.
That's where the saying comes from.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
On the square.
On the square, on the level.
Do you know about this one, that some people, if they go into a shop and they suspect that the person is a Freemason, they might say, what's your best price?
On the square or something like that.
You drop these little sort of code words.
Yeah, there are things you can say.
And there are also the gestures you can do with your hands.
And also the positioning of your feet.
Now, I don't do them.
I genuinely don't show you.
Because of who will see this.
But there are gestures you could do.
So let's say, for example, you're the magistrate and I'm stood in court and I'm looking at a speeding ban.
I could position my feet in a particular way to show that I am on the level and I'm square.
So I'm being honest and upright.
Is it putting your feet in a penguin shape, perchance?
Like 90 degrees?
Can I say no comment to that?
Right.
That's a useful tip.
And there are complicated things that you have to do with your hands.
I mean, I've seen...
I have...
I have problems.
I'm confused slightly between what is a kind of Illuminati cult symbol and a Freemasonic symbol.
Perhaps they're the same.
There's a sort of...
There's this one you see.
Yeah.
Is that one?
Yeah, so that's the pyramid, the all-seeing eye.
So, yeah, they're referring there to, that's Illuminati, and a lot of celebrities do that.
But the Illuminati, as I understand them, and from what I've researched, that's down to bloodline, not something you can become part of because you happen to have made it in Hollywood or had a best-selling album out.
Because you see people like Beyonce and Jay-Z doing this all the time.
I think they're supporting and promoting the cause, but they are puppets because it's your bloodline that gets you the true power and level.
I know that on pop videos you see people like Madonna doing...
Yeah.
Which is apparently a reference to the code of silence.
And if you speak out, you get your tongue cut out.
Yeah.
Yeah, your tongue cuts out.
And what they used to say to us was, because we were in London, that your tongue would be cut out and then you would be tied to a post in the Thames when the tide is out at low tide.
Right.
So when the tide came in, no one could hear you scream as you drowned.
Right.
But you wouldn't get investigated because all the police, they're all members.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So the higher up you are, I would imagine if you were a 33rd degree Freemason, he's going to be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and there won't be any repercussions.
They might be answering to somebody.
And there might be a higher price to pay, but literally they could walk around the planet without a care in the world and do whatever they like.
There's going to be nothing.
I've left it a bit late to try and become a 33rd degree green maker.
So obviously you don't just become the master of the lodge and then wait your turn.
You've got to do all sorts of extra.
I mean, how many people get to the 33rd degree?
What percentage of those?
I think the 33rd degree Freemasonry is bloodline.
That's something that you're born into and that's to do with your breeding.
Most people are never going to get there.
99% are not going to get there.
It is your 1%.
Duke of Kent, obviously.
Yeah, the Grand Master.
Winston Churchill would have been 33rd degree while he's a Marlborough.
Churchill.
So, people like that.
I've also heard, correct me if I'm wrong, that you sort of get fast-tracked.
It's partly a psychopathy test.
Yes.
In that a lot of people join Freemasons, and I know lots of people who are Freemasons, including members of my family, who are lovely people and do good.
But it seems that if you want to get on, You've got to show yourself to be biddable, that you've got to be prepared to go the extra mile in dodgy activity, let's say.
I never saw anything like that, but my lodge was just your regular run-of-the-mill lodge, but I don't doubt that.
But you certainly, if you want to progress, you certainly have to be a known face.
Yeah, and you've got to be seen.
It sounds like gangland, doesn't it?
It is, yeah.
And you see it a lot.
In fact, Lord Northampton, I can't remember his name, but Spenny was his nickname.
Lord Northampton who lives at Castle Ashby.
Well, for some of the time, he was progressed through the ranks in one evening.
So I think he went from the third degree mason, which is most of us, just Master Mason.
He was raised through the ranks in one evening, a series of ceremonies in one evening.
He was raised up to sort of like 14, 15, 16, something like that level in one evening.
Now, that doesn't happen.
That's breeding.
Right.
OK, so it's a big club and we're never going to be.
Yeah.
We're not in it.
So, you became, well, you actually already were a conspiracy theorist.
You were interested in all this crazy stuff.
And you eventually got into, I have to say, of all the kind of crazy theories that I've been looking into since my journey down the rabbit hole, I find Tartaria, the least convincing.
And I very much enjoyed your book where you raise all sorts of interesting questions and you point out all sorts of anomalies, which we're going to talk about later on in this chat.
But I find it doesn't quite hold...
Okay, so let's briefly talk about what Tartaria is or was.
Tartaria was a sort of hidden empire in the middle of the...
in Central Asia, basically.
They had access.
They were a kind of advanced civilization that had access to all this technology that we were lacking in, say, Western Europe and in the US, and that gradually this technology filtered across, but the Tartarians were ahead of the game.
I don't dispute there was a place known as Tartary.
I mean, you can see it on the maps.
And there is a poem which begins, if I were Lord of Tartary myself and me alone.
So it hasn't been, the name has not been, the name is available in our culture, the knowledge that this place entity existed.
But for me, it's a stretch to believe, That there was this thriving civilization going on through what they, from say the 18th, 19th centuries, that was, that somehow we've memory hold.
So tell me about that.
It's, when I started looking into it, I was, a few people that I researched that had He's written about it.
One in particular, a fellow Australian who's also a musician called Max Egan, he claims it to be the biggest conspiracy of them all, the largest rabbit hole, because as you saw from the book, it's not just an empire that we're talking about, but it's the other rabbit holes that lead from it, which is Nikola Tesla and...
Harnessing energy from the ether, the orphan trains and the cabbage patch babies and the whole reproduction thing.
So it's quite a lot to get your head around because a lot of people just talk about Tartaria as being this empire, which now we would refer to, as far as I'm concerned, we would now refer to them as the Mongolian Empire.
But before, it was known as the Mongolian Empire, and certainly in some of the older books that I've got, it's referred to as Tartaria, and then slowly this name change comes along, and we're now talking about Mongolia.
But some people would argue that actually the technology that they possessed is Atlantean, and that this technology had been around for hundreds of thousands of years, so it's only relatively recently that the technology was destroyed.
And a lot of people say that, and I believe to an extent that that is due to the discovery of oil and the internal combustion engine and gas and so on.
It's not very profitable to allow the public to harness energy from the ether for free when you can sell them energy.
So you've got, it's quite It's not a rabbit hole as such.
It's a warren.
It's an absolute warren.
So where this came from, where they started out from, could be argued that the technology wasn't something that the Tartarians invented or created.
The technology was already there.
They just perfected it or were continuing to use it.
It's just it came to an end.
Okay.
So to use a...
An analogy which is going to be out of date because people are going to be sick of Christmas.
But what I'm getting is I'm seeing all the baubles and the tinsel and the decorations and the angel on top.
But what I'm not seeing any evidence of is the Christmas tree that would make sense of it all.
I mean, so much of what you say is...
It's obviously true to anyone who's gone down the rabbit hole.
For example, I totally agree with you on petrol and free energy.
It seems fairly clear to me that Nikola Tesla had access to whether by genius or whether he was, I don't know, what?
Helped?
Helped.
Whether he was helped.
He had access to free energy technology, which had we been allowed to use it, I mean, imagine what a much nicer world we'd be living in.
We'd have no power lines.
We'd have no petrol pollution.
We'd have no countries being held to ransom by oil producers.
If you accept that oil is a scarce commodity, I think it's abiotic, actually.
Yeah, I agree.
It's clear that what happened in the late 19th century is that Rockefeller and a few other bad actors, Thomas Edison, cornered the market, shut out, ruthlessly shut out.
Competing and better technologies in order to impose their technologies on the world and made vast fortunes and accrued enormous power as a result, which was ruined today because, I mean, the Rockefellers invented the climate change industry, for example.
They funded it.
They bought up all the colleges.
They bought up all the scientists.
They twisted science to give us the climate change agenda.
So I get that.
But it seems to me that all this shows is robber barons or senior cabal figures, bloodline families, doing what they've always done, which is using their power to...
To destroy rivals and impose their will on the world.
I can't quite go from there to, yeah, but there was a flourishing civilization in Central Asia.
It doesn't make sense to me.
Have you heard anybody refer to the millennial reign of Christ?
Yes.
So quite often I'm corrected.
When I talk about Tartaria or the Tartarian Empire, and I talk about a period of a thousand years, I'm corrected quite a lot.
And it does tend to be from people who are religious, that have a very strong belief in Jesus and have read properly, really read the Bible and took it in and practice.
But also a lot of people that have researched.
So I'm corrected quite a lot when I refer to Tartaria as it being actually the millennial reign of Christ and that there was a reign of 1,000 years of peace.
And then you've got people like, for example, Anatoly Fomenko and other scientists that he researched that have claimed that our timeline has been altered by 1,000 years.
Yes.
So if that is the case, then the Tartarian Empire would marry with the millennial reign of Jesus, a thousand years of Jesus' reign.
So are we talking about the same thing?
And this is something that I cannot get my head around.
I cannot decide, are we talking the same language?
Tartaria is just a name that's been thrown out there, almost as misdirection, if you like.
And the empire of Tartaria is actually the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, and he reigned for a thousand years.
Then it then tallies, if you wipe a thousand years off our timeline...
And say that the Tartarian Empire ended in 1776 or thereabouts, you have pretty much a thousand years.
Well, it's actually 800 years.
But for the ease of buildings, artwork and documentation, it's a lot easier to put an M or a 1 in front of a date than it is to start adding 800 years to something.
So if we say that at 1776, 800 years had been added.
And that Jesus had reigned for a thousand years, and I'm not saying either way whether he did or did not, then that does tally.
So I can see where that thought has come from.
So my thinking is, if actually we're talking about exactly the same thing, the millennial reign of Jesus Christ and the Tartarian Empire, is it at all possible?
That it was actually a thousand years of peace, harmony, living in balance with each other, no war, and so on.
And now they say that the 250 years, which end in 2026, is called Satan's Little Reign, a 250-year span where people like the Rockefellers, the Cabal, the Bloodlines, and whoever...
It's beyond them, who perhaps people that we've never even heard of, where they get, they're let loose to do whatever they want to do.
And so often I look at what's happened, the civil wars that started, and then the world wars, and think, well, perhaps, and the genocide that's taken place, it does, to me, make sense.
So I think that it might be That we've been thrown a curved ball or misdirected slightly by thinking that they're two different things, when actually they're probably one and the same.
And that led me to ask a few people a very strange question, which I'm going to ask you, and it is a question, I'm not saying this, because I've been shot down a few times for this one.
But Genghis Khan...
He was considered to be one of the greatest rulers of the Tartarian Empire.
His father's name was Yeshua, which was Jesus' name.
Now, and Jesus spent a lot of time apparently in Tibet and around that area.
Is it at all possible that Genghis Khan's father and Jesus as we know him are the same person?
Right.
Now that starts to give it a little bit more meat to the bone.
That's quite the stretch.
The thing is, okay, so we've now introduced Christ's thousand-year reign and Satan's little season.
Are you suggesting that the Second and First World Wars were within...
Christ's thousand-year reign?
No, no, because 1776 was the start of the New World Order, if you look at the back of the American dollar bill and the Illuminati being officially founded.
So we reset at 1776. That's when we appear to have been reset last.
We go through these resets, and that appears to be the last great reset.
Using Great Reset in the World Economic Forum sense.
My son's travelled in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan or maybe Uzbekistan.
He's done three of the Stan's and some of them have got fantastically beautiful mosques and things.
But I'm not sure that he sent any photographs of kind of amazing cathedral-like structures with the ability to produce, to harness free energy or anything like that, any of the kind of amazing buildings.
I mean, I realized that there are...
Well, I called them anomalies earlier.
So you've...
Provided quite a few photographs of this in your book of structures in the US, for example.
I suppose the best example are the star forts.
Yes.
And I've been to a star fort.
When I went to the Florida Keys, you can fly out in a flying boat to Fort Jefferson.
Yeah.
Which is where Samuel Mudd, the doctor who treated John Wilkes Booth and provided us with the phrase, his name is Mudd.
He was imprisoned there on this extraordinary, elaborate fortress in the middle of...
I mean, you're just surrounded by sharks, basically.
I can't see what the...
What the tactical purpose of building such an extravagant fort out there, there would be.
And it became a kind of prison camp stroke.
I think they had a massive cholera outbreak, which I think mud helped some of them survive.
Sorry, Jane.
Yeah, come on.
I was just going to say...
A lot of people say that when they've been to Starforce, and obviously we have them here, there's one in Plymouth, there's one in East Tilbury, Tilbury Docks, that they're all over the world.
Some people say that when they're inside, it feels different.
Well, I wish I could remember.
I was just grateful to be there.
I was thinking, wow, I'm on this amazing fort.
Out in the Florida Keys, I wasn't really feeling healed or soothed or whatever.
Because there is a theory, isn't there, that these were essentially healing centers.
These weren't military.
Although, again, you see, against that, we know of this guy called Vauban, don't we, who was Louis XIV's genius architect of forts.
Are a lot of these forts attributed to Vogel?
But the strange thing with that is that they appear all over the world.
And so we have them in Australia.
We have them in India.
They are everywhere.
Portugal has some stunning examples.
So you hear that quite a lot.
But what I was going to ask with regard to Fort Jefferson was, would you say having been there?
That that was a strategic position to put a defensive fortress in.
So it serves no logical purpose as a defensive...
Yeah, presumably it had a well of some kind.
Otherwise, they've got the...
Because you're surrounded by sea in a very hot climate.
What would be the purpose?
And I have looked into these star forts a bit.
I know that...
The effort that went into building them, the number of bricks, the amount it would have cost, that however military-minded a government, they could never justify that kind of expenditure.
So, yeah, Starforts are amazing.
Starforts are weird.
They are inexplicable.
So if you were presenting me, With your case for the broad thing we call Tartaria, I'd say, yeah.
Guy, you've totally got a point there.
I can't explain it.
We need to investigate.
I'm loving to hear your theory.
But what I'm not getting is you sort of segued or you jumped into...
Christ's thousand-year reign and Satan's little season.
And I'm thinking, yeah, these are interesting concepts as well.
But they don't really help my understanding of...
Of Tartaria itself.
Of Tartaria or any of the other stuff.
It's just like you're throwing more stuff into the mix.
And then you went to the Genghis Khan, was he Jesus' son?
I don't think...
No, I'm not buying that one.
I find the history thing.
What's the Russian you mentioned?
Anatoly Femenko.
Is he still around?
No, no.
But you can literally get his work.
You can find his work.
You don't have to pay for it.
I mean, there's a lot of it.
But you can get it online if anybody wants to read through it.
But it is intense.
So, okay.
I'm...
Perfectly up for the possibility, for example, that we are much, much closer in time to the Romans than has been acknowledged.
And the Dark Ages were maybe a con.
That's how they fudged it.
But I suppose what I don't get is if we're having these resets all the time, and you're suggesting there may have been one in the 19th century?
Well, 1776 appears to be the last Great Reset and the start of New World Order.
And the American dollar bill, for anybody that wants to have a look online, the reverse of it has that, New World Order and 1776 on the pyramid.
And as you know, for some time we've heard the World Economic Forum and Klaus talking about welcome to the Great Reset.
Charles, they've referred to this reset that we're going through now.
It's due.
We need a reset.
And it appears to be every 250 years, but some people say that there are smaller resets along the way, but there is a great reset every 250 years.
Right.
Well, let's go from 1776 as...
An example.
OK, so.
I'm slightly shaky on my on my history of that period, but OK, so you've got George the third on the throne.
He was quite a long lived monarch.
And then you've got.
George, the fourth, I think.
Was there a William?
No, that really happened, wasn't it?
William Merritt.
So you had George III, George IV, and then you had, who am I missing?
You then got Queen Victoria.
I don't know.
Yeah, Victoria.
I suppose what I'm saying is that this is a period which is reasonably well documented.
So you've got, say, Jane Austen writing in the very late, 18th, early 19th century to use our timeline rather than Femenkes.
Jane Austen is not going, well, isn't it extraordinary?
There's been this kind of topsy-turvy imposition on us whereby everything's changed and it's quite dramatic.
You don't get diarists of the period talking about these extraordinary changes which have happened inexplicably.
So this is where I'm slightly puzzled.
And then we go on to the 19th century.
I mean, I've got a family Bible going back to, what, the 1840s, probably, with the names of my ancestors.
You know, people can trace their genealogy back a reasonable length of time.
how do they manage to reset us without it being documented, without it being, yeah, without it being documented?
Well, this is something that I get asked quite a lot.
And it's something that I still research all the time.
And what I ask people for, and perhaps Ancestry.com is a good example of this because, people trying to do their family tree to see how far back it goes.
But the problem is we get to a certain point where it's very difficult to substantiate anything.
Where do you go to see, with regard to the Bible that you have, what is the earliest date in there?
You said 1840, is that right?
I'll have to go and check.
But prior to the late 1700s, it would be very difficult now to corroborate anything.
So how do we know?
And for example, whether you're talking about an author or any publication out there, is it at all possible that things have been put in place to avoid that very situation?
What we don't want is a publication or a book or a diary out there that says, well, you'll never guess what happened.
For some reason, the year's changed and we've lost our free energy.
Around the time that you have the Tartarian Empire sort of coming to an end and the New World Order begins, 1776, you slowly see lots of asylums open almost across the world.
We suddenly see lots of asylums and vast numbers of people being committed.
And I put some statistics in the book, but again, it's a quick internet search.
We'll show you.
The vast number of people that were committed.
So my thinking, and this is just a thought, and obviously having read the book, I ask people throughout the book, this is just what I think.
What do you think?
Is this possible?
I'm not saying that this is fact by any stretch.
I'm asking all the time for people's thoughts on things because I'm learning things all the time and sometimes I'm thrown down Well, sometimes I'm misdirected and sometimes I'm corrected.
And I think that there's a strong possibility that books, written documentation has been put in place to give a backstory.
And that the last thing you would have if you were the parasitic elite, the cabal or whatever you want to call them.
The last thing you would want is a publication out there that's talking about a previous civilization and a change.
You would want those people removed from society, locked away somewhere or wiped out.
And you want to start again with people who are either going to toe the line or people who have no knowledge of what happened before.
Yeah.
I... I can certainly accept that one of the reasons, for example, Google is on a mission to digitize every book that's ever been written is so that eventually printed matter can be memory hold and also inconvenient books can be memory hold.
Quite convinced that the antique book trade, for example, there are elements within it which seek out prohibited texts for destruction.
So I can see why are inconvenient to them elements of history have been erased.
But I'm not sure I can go from there to believing.
I mean, okay, so I studied English literature at university.
there's a fairly clean line from Shakespeare who obviously didn't write Shakespeare, but written by a committee.
So, yeah.
So are you, sorry, Jane, are you, are you saying that Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The works of Shakespeare?
It was a group of, a collective group of people.
Yes, but you see, that's completely different from saying that the works didn't exist.
Oh, no, no, it's just one of the few people I've heard saying that.
Over a given period, and then you had...
Well, not long afterwards.
Okay, then you had the metaphysical poets doing their thing.
They were the kind of preeminent writers of their day in English literature.
And then you had the Civil War, and you had Milton, Paradise Lost, so the 1640s.
And then you had the Restoration.
And you had the restoration playwrights doing their fopling flutter and all these kind of fancy social satire.
And you had the coffee houses.
And you had Dr. Johnson.
Round about the period you're talking about, this reset period, I don't get the vibe that Dr. Johnson, for example, he was a sort of cussed individual, was the sort of person who would have...
Would have gone along with whatever kind of brainwashing program the elites had planned, and that had he spoken out, he'd have gone to a mental asylum, but luckily he kept shtum and just carried on writing his dictionary and stuff instead, ignoring all these changes that were happening.
It's not really working for me, that theory.
Then you've got, who have you got?
Thompson, The Four Seasons and you've got Grey's Elegy.
We're into the 18th century now.
So that's actually closer to your reset.
I don't know.
It just doesn't mean I'm denying that there were lots and lots of mysterious asylums being created.
And yes, they may have been used to house Inconvenient people who were branded mad when, in fact, all they were was dissidents.
I sort of...
I get the breadcrumbs.
I like the breadcrumbs you're laying out for me, but I'm not finding this enormous loaf at the end of it that sort of...
or a gingerbread cottage at the end of it that makes me go, yeah, wow, that's what happened.
But you see, the interesting thing is you referred to Shakespeare, and the reason I... Sorry for interrupting you, but...
The reason I stopped was because not many people would agree with you, and I do agree with you that Shakespeare, and they say the same of the Da Vinci family.
It was a group of people, a collective, not Leonardo on his own.
So if the backstory, certainly what I was taught, was that William Shakespeare wrote all of his works.
It wasn't a committee.
It was one person doing this.
So why would we consider William Shakespeare now, you and I, to have not written all of these works single-handedly, but we are going to credit other people with having written what we're told they wrote?
Well, I think what it comes down to is what is verifiable.
That's it.
And what is speculative.
So, for example, you say lots of people don't know that Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.
That doesn't show me anything.
No, no.
What I'm saying is it's refreshing to hear somebody else say that.
Yeah, but that's because we're both crazed tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.
But are we?
Are we?
No.
No, I know, but in reality, a minority that actually are seeing through all of this stuff.
So all I was saying was, if your way of thinking like mine is that Shakespeare didn't write all of the works that we've grown up with and been taught to believe that it wasn't one single person doing this.
And if it's possible that Leonardo da Vinci didn't create all of these incredible sculptures and these works of art, and obviously the thinking, the mathematical genius that we've been told that he was,
if that was a family or a collective again, then why would we, in the same conversation, decide that one person, whether it's Jane Austen, whoever it is, Yeah,
yeah, but...
Okay.
We can agree.
It is bloody weird.
And for me, after my journey of the last four years, nothing is off the table.
I'm prepared to consider any outlandish theory.
For example, I'm not convinced that Outer space is real.
It seems to have been invented by Star Trek, basically.
I mean, certainly promoted by Star Trek.
And all NASA's photographs are faked.
They're all computer-generated or even drawn by artists.
All the photographs of galaxies, they're not taken by.
There aren't any satellites even.
I think they're just high-altitude balloons.
The outer space doesn't exist.
Now, I can support this theory by, for example, looking at NASA photographs, knowing what I know about NASA being...
Created as a kind of black budget operation, the unconvincing nature of the moon landings, the impossibility of, if you believe that exists, of getting through the Van Allen belt, the radiation belt, all this stuff.
So I'm convinced that there is sufficient evidence to show that space is fake and gay.
I agree with you.
That they lie to us about everything and they distort our history.
So I'm perfectly open to the possibility that they've been mucking with our timelines.
On the subject of Jane Austen, I've read all her books.
I think that they are likely written by the same author.
I've read a bit of Dr. Johnson.
Look at his life.
I'm fairly persuaded that he is as sold by himself and by his biographer, James Boswell.
So even though I know that history is a lie agreed upon and that they do lie to us all the time, that doesn't mean that I'm just going to go with some grand universal...
Overarching, crazy theory just because the official version is obviously not true.
Do you see what I mean?
Absolutely.
And I'm asked all the time the same question.
But the problem is that it's so difficult to get information that you can...
Substantiate.
Because this is why my book, as I said earlier on, I keep saying, what do you think?
And this to me doesn't make sense.
Because at no point am I saying this is everything I've written and everything I believe is fact.
It's all really theory.
And I'm constantly looking for more and more information.
But it's so hard to find because it's either well buried, it's either been hidden, or of course, as some people have said to me, and Joe Rogan came out on his podcast and said this a few years ago, actually, that he believes that this is just a false flag, a complete misdirection.
The whole Tartarian theory is all conspiracy.
Well, of all the things you've said so far, that's the one that most persuades me that Tartaria is real, because Rogan is a...
Psyops.
Yeah, he's a psyop, obviously.
So if he's poo-pooing Tartaria, well, maybe that's in Tartaria's favour.
You talk in the book...
About Cabbage Patch kids.
Tell me about Cabbage Patch, because that's a weird one.
It is, yeah.
And I don't know if you recall, but there is an image of a statue called Ayamana outside a maternity hospital in Russia.
And it is quite a huge sculpture, actually, of a cabbage with a baby sat in it right outside this maternity hospital.
So the cabbage patch appears to be a repopulation program.
So let's take the scenario as I've surmised that we wipe out through civil war and lots of natural catastrophes.
Mud floods, earthquakes, the comet of 1811, and then lots of outbreaks of lots of different...
There were quite a few pandemics and outbreaks throughout the world.
So let's look at a world that perhaps is far less populated than it is now.
So they repopulate using a process or a movement or a program, perhaps is a better word.
Called the Cabbage Patch Babies.
And this is the theory of human cloning.
So to repopulate the human clone.
And some people would say, well, you know, they didn't have the technology back then.
But of course, anyone that's looked into the Anunnaki and the story of Enki and Enlil and how we came to be, then that is proposed as being human cloning, going back a quarter of a million years ago.
So they repopulate using a process or a procedure, or perhaps program is a better word, called the Cabbage Patch Babies.
Why Cabbage Patch?
Well, there were a series of postcards that came out in the early 1800s that actually depicted children, babies, in amongst Cabbage Patches, and there's quite a lot of folklore surrounding this.
Halloween is a good example of that.
The night before Halloween was called Mischief Night, and a girl would steal a cabbage from a neighbour's garden and then throw it at the neighbour's door.
And the quality of the cabbage was said to determine the quality of her future husband, her future groom, and therefore the quality of the children they might have.
So the cabbage goes back years and years and years in various mythologies and folklore.
So they're suggesting that the cabbage in some way has some sort of relationship to a newborn child.
Slavic folklore, they think it represents in some way a womb, that the cabbage represents a womb.
So you then, obviously, a lot of people when you say cabbage patch kids will immediately think of the dolls that came out.
And that's quite a strange...
Toy to come onto the marketplace where you get an adoption certificate.
And there's also films out there.
One is called The Cabbage, which is worth looking at.
Again, you can find that on YouTube.
So you've got this whole reproduction system going on where they repopulate the planet.
So the scenario is they've wiped the majority of the people out through civil war, far flood and natural disaster.
And then a series of famines and outbreaks.
You then repopulate.
But you repopulate by cloning.
And these clones were called the cabbage patch babies.
And there are postcards.
Sometimes they're referred to as repopulation postcards.
And some of them you will see.
Cabbage seeds being put into a machine which will produce a boy.
And rose seeds being put into this machine that will produce a girl.
And they're quite popular, and they were really popular throughout France and then became popular in America as well in the 1800s, these postcards.
It can't be the 1800s.
You mean the 1900s?
The late 1800s is when we started to see them appear, these postcards.
Yeah.
And then, sorry, I was just going to say, and then you have Alice Guy, or Alice Guy Blage, the first female.
Movie director and producer brought out a couple of films, one called Midwife to the Upper Classes and the other one called The Cabbage Patch Fairies.
So this Cabbage Patch association with babies seems to go back quite some time.
Hold that thought.
I've got to go for a pee.
I'll be back.
back no problem
so okay
okay
so yes we are we're definitely in the realm of the weird and unexplained i
And it's interesting, you mentioned Cabbage Patch dolls, which were a sort of children's toy fashion of what, the 1990s?
1990s, yeah.
Sorry.
So, I can see these things don't come out of nowhere.
And I can see there would have been a reason why The toy industry, which again, I mean, they're controlled by the cabal, by the powers that be.
The toys are part of the brainwashing process.
In the same way that you know about Rachel and Chandler.
Oh, from Friends?
Rachel Chandler was a person who was apparently very involved in child trafficking.
And the reason that the characters were called Rachel and Chandler on Friends was in order to frustrate Google searches.
Because whenever you typed in Rachel Chandler, you're going to get Friends.
You're going to be Waterwall Friends.
In the same way, I can see why Cabbage Patch Kids, it would mean that whenever you searched for Cabbage Patch Kids, I mean, obviously, the internet wasn't very advanced, if it was even existent in the 1990s.
But these people planned in advance, so maybe they wanted to create a situation where any search for Cabbage Patch Kids was thwarted by people going to these ghastly, ghastly dolls.
And also, before I let you speak in a moment, I vaguely remember that when I was growing up, My mother used to joke about, yeah, you were found in a cabbage patch at the bottom of the garden or whatever.
It's quite a common phrase of our youth, am I right?
Yes, my mother as well.
My mother was told she was.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I found out why when I did our...
During the pandemic, during lockdown, I sent off my DNA. I thought, I'm going to do my family tree, and I sent my DNA sample off.
And it came back, and...
If what I read and received was true, it then automatically connected me to other family trees and that my mother's father wasn't the person we thought he was.
My granddad wasn't my granddad.
That actually it was a man that came over during the Second World War and was originally from Eastern Europe, Ukraine to be precise.
And then ended up in Pennsylvania.
You're a Kazarian.
Weird, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she was told, because her...
Growing up, when I spoke to her about this, and it was quite an awkward conversation, and looking back on it, I wished I hadn't, because she got quite upset.
But I said, I've found something I need to talk to you about.
And I explained to her what I'd done.
And that I was trying to build a family tree for my children and their children.
And she said to me, well, one thing that really does help is that I was told by my older brother and older sister that I was found at the bottom of the garden, that I wasn't really their sister, that I wasn't actually part of the family, that I was an orphan, that I wasn't wanted.
And she'd grown up believing that, that actually, What she ultimately believed was that she was an unpleasant surprise, that she wasn't wanted.
And that then looks like it's because her father was away, or my grandfather was away in the Second World War, came back and found that his wife was pregnant with somebody else's child.
And I hear that quite a lot.
So a lot of people have got in touch.
And shared stories with me that they were found at the bottom of the garden, or their parents were, or their grandparents were, and it is always in cabbage patches.
There's something in it.
Oh, I'm not suggesting that there's not something in all of this stuff.
And we haven't got onto the weird door sizes.
Of some of those buildings.
And we haven't got onto world fairs either, which I think is an interesting one.
But, for example, to your point about these massive, the massive depopulation that took place, allegedly, in that period, that required the repopulation with these Cabbage Patch Kids.
I'm just, I'm thinking, okay, so the Napoleonic Wars, The American Civil War claimed lots of lives.
Although, I think whether you've come across the theory that the American Civil War was all fake, it just doesn't stack up either.
But I just think if people were being wiped out on this scale, it would be more in the folk memory.
There would be people...
It gets passed down from generation to generation.
Memories of the terrible times that everyone starved to death or everyone was massacred in a war.
And I'm not...
But by who?
Who's passing it down?
Well, say folk memory.
I mean, it's just like...
I mean, my ancestors, your ancestors.
There would be in our kind of collective consciousness this...
Awareness of this past.
But only if our ancestors go back past this.
So say, for example, if my ancestors were completely...
If I don't have ancestors, if the previous civilization ended, let's just say for argument's sake, to make this a bit easier, so we've got a starting point, let's say that everything ended in 1776 or leading up to that.
Let's just give that as a date rather than the Napoleonic Wars or whatever.
If everything ended in 1776 and the previous population had been completely wiped out and you've just got a few pockets of people here and there, the children are taken off and re-educated and they go off to orphanages and they're re-educated, the surviving parents are committed or sectioned or imprisoned, incarcerated, murdered, whatever, then that would suggest that if the cabbage patch and the cloning then started or that if my...
The furthest I can trace my family tree back to is a great-great-great-great-grandparent that was an orphan.
Where are they getting the stories from to pass down?
Who's sharing that information?
Look at what they did in Canada.
I mean, taking Indigenous children away from their families, re-educating them, making them speak English, and giving them a whole new backstory.
So if that happened...
Then I have no one to go to in my family tree to say, well, did they ever speak about this reset?
Did they ever speak about the Tartarians?
And the answer would be, well, no, because prior to that happening, everybody had been wiped out.
You don't have ancestors beyond that date, beyond that point of time.
I suppose that the normie-ish counter to this would be simply that...
The further back you go, the more sketchy records are.
Okay, so you occasionally have parish records, but they haven't always been preserved, but they sometimes go back to the 16th century.
There's the frustration of, I think you've mentioned this in the book, gravestones.
It's quite hard to find Early gravestones, and it could be that just the quality of the stone means that they don't last, although the Romans seem to manage to get their stone inscriptions preserved.
So why is it that when you walk into a graveyard, you rarely get much before 1800s, do you?
No, and when I've asked this question before, I've had people...
Say to me, well, what they used to do is they just used to stack bodies on top of bodies.
Well, how long can you do that for before they're at the surface?
If the first body is six feet under and with no intention of, at the time of burying that body, that they're going to be putting another one on top of it in a hundred years or so, then surely when you're digging, the next one would be perhaps three feet.
So that doesn't really stack up.
And that's why I think that the catacombs may be a significant clue in what happened to bodies when you wipe out a serious amount of people.
Well, the catacombs believe Paris.
Everywhere.
They're everywhere, aren't they?
Because they're not just in Paris.
They're up in, I believe, Edinburgh.
I'm not sure if you're allowed in there, if they do tours in there, but I know people that have been in the catacombs in Edinburgh, but Paris is perhaps the most famous of them all.
I'd love to have a look.
But people always ask, where did they all come from?
Where did these people come from?
Who were they?
Who were they really?
And apparently, and I've been told this a few times, that they've found...
Not just normal-sized skulls in there, but very, very large skulls too, what we would refer to as a giant.
They found large skulls in amongst these.
Well, you're really chucking loads of conspiracy theories into the mix now, aren't you?
I'm totally with you on giants.
Giants definitely, definitely existed.
The Bible tells us so.
Goliath was a giant.
They were called mighty men.
We have the tomb of, well, the body of Gilgamesh, which was found.
Some say, and I probably agree with them, that was the real reason for the Iraq invasion, so they get to the tomb of Gilgamesh.
I think there's a picture in your book, isn't there?
Yeah, yeah, because I agree.
That's what I believe, that the timing is incredible.
And you've got the giants in America, which the...
The Smithsonian Institute has been, whenever they're found, it destroys the evidence.
So, yeah, giants are real.
Again, I'm way down the rabbit hole on so many of these issues and going, yes, yes, yes, giants, definitely.
Dinosaurs, no, absolutely not.
Space, no, fake.
Dinosaurs.
Yeah, dinosaurs aren't real.
Oh, that's the thing, yeah.
Well, we can come to this in a moment.
I think probably the biggest area where you and I... I think the Anunnaki are bollocks.
I think your geological timelines are bollocks.
I don't...
I'm a young Earth person.
I don't believe that...
I don't believe that we're millions of years old.
We can come back to that one.
Because I think, apart from being honest, when you talk to somebody, it helps to know exactly where they're coming from, what their sort of veld and shawung is, because that often affects the way that their argument develops.
Before we go there, though, We should talk about the World Fairs.
They're another anomaly, a mystery, that you think...
Tell me what you think about the World Fairs.
Well, to me, they're very similar.
You could almost clump them together with the Starforts, because they don't make any logic.
Incidentally, just before I forget...
The Starforts, most of them, I'm told all of them, but I haven't researched all of them.
I believe there's 319 of them still here.
They align with constellations, which is an unusual thing you'd do for a defensive thought.
What sort of defensive purpose does a constellation alignment have?
The World's Fairs, I think, are similar.
They're the most incredible, perhaps micro-cities.
The narrative behind almost all of them is that the World Fair suffered towards the end of the exhibition or shortly after the exhibition, there was a fire.
Whether it's someone knocked over a candle or some vagrants had got in and were trying to keep warm, there's always a fire.
And that seems to be the reason why most of them are no longer here.
I know that there are some buildings still around today.
Well, that doesn't match the backstory of us being told that these World's Fairs were made from plaster.
A lot of these incredible sculptures and these buildings, well, they were just plaster.
They just threw them up really quickly.
Well, how come some of them are still standing then?
But one thing with the World's Fairs that I didn't put in the book, That I keep thinking about now is I don't see any children anywhere.
On all of the images I've found of World's Fairs, there are no children anywhere.
And I find that strange.
I just don't understand why I'm just seeing adults everywhere and not a single child in any of the images I've found.
But I think that they were built by previous civilizations.
And this is...
What most people that are down this particular rabbit hole believe, that you couldn't build something like that.
And often they're built in places where the population was quite low, where there wasn't a lot of money at the time.
And we need to believe that these world fairs, they just happen to have available all of the resources and the skill and the money to produce them, only to see them burn down.
Shortly afterwards will be demolished.
It doesn't make any sense.
The London one's strange as well, isn't it?
Moving it.
It moved.
Did it?
Why?
Yeah, Crystal Palace.
Crystal Palace burnt down and then they moved it to Alexandra Palace.
So why would you do that?
And how could they suffer fires all the time?
And also, how do you get something to such a temperature that it is...
Well, that's true.
Presumably it's glass and what?
Yeah, so let's say glass, iron and stone.
How do you get to a temperature?
We've got to be talking in the thousands of degrees, surely sort of 4,000, 6,000 degrees.
I don't know, but...
To be able to melt something or burn something like that.
You'd need to fly a plane into it.
That's a guaranteed way of melting girders.
We know that, but yeah.
Yeah, if those planes actually...
I keep being sent information that suggests that that was CGI. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Probably.
Yeah, another rabbit hole.
Because this is...
This sort of partly explains this cultural phenomenon, particularly in graphic novels and stuff, of steampunk.
Yes.
Somehow we've latched on to this world, this sort of late Victorian world where people are travelling around in airships and they've got all these mechanical devices which can do amazing things.
Which you don't read about in...
Who would it be?
Trollope, maybe?
Or who's later than Trollope?
Arnold Bennett?
The people who are into steampunk must be tapping into something.
Something that happened that we can't quite...
The mystery of airships vanishing when they're obviously such a civilised way of travelling.
And what do we know about airships?
We know about the Hindenburg.
We know about the R101. We know about these disasters.
And they've had movies made about them.
Anything that has a movie, any historical event that has a movie made about it is, to me, automatically suspect.
Because you know, through Mile Island, the China Syndrome, you know you are being programmed.
You are being distracted from the truth.
Titanic, the Olympic.
It goes on and on.
Yeah, yeah.
So, where were we?
World's Fairs.
Oh, Airships, Steampunk.
I'm glad you said Steampunk because that's what I see whenever I look at an image of the World's Fairs and the Airships and also what they're wearing with the top hats.
I see Steampunk.
I see it too.
Oh, you know about that?
Have you ever come across this particular...
conspiracy theory that the wearing of hats, why did everyone wear hats?
Was it being encouraged in the same way now that we're encouraged to take death jabs that they wanted people to be because of all the mercury in the hats?
You think about what they've done to people.
So this fashion thing was actually another way of...
Lobster cracking us.
Of weakening the populace.
Yeah, yeah, because they, well, we know, don't we, the Mad Hatters and what the Mercury did.
I've often wondered if before that, a lot of cultures seem to use copper quite a lot, so copper headbands.
Copper sort of tiaras, copper earrings, copper necklaces.
And I wonder if that was something to do with balance, that actually that the copper is harnessing something, you know, the electromagnetic world that we live in.
Is the copper doing something to keep you sort of balanced or harmonized?
And is that what was originally inside these hats?
A ring of copper?
Is it doing something?
If you took a...
Let's just say a baseball cap and put a ring, a copper ring of wire inside it.
Would that stop or reduce damage from EMF, for example?
But that's another sort of conversation.
But I often wonder if they originally had copper and the copper was replaced to mercury.
And of course, the more contact you had with mercury, we're told that the more insane you slowly became.
I think the mercury thing is a separate.
The mercury was used as a kind of insecticide, I think, was the purpose of it, because the materials didn't want them to get eaten by moths and things.
I don't know, but you could be right on your copper theory.
I always thought it was some sort of bonding agent.
I didn't know about the insecticide.
Makes more sense.
I think I'm right.
You see, this is the problem.
We're skittering around very entertainingly.
We're enjoying the baubles and the tinsel and the angel on the top of the tree.
But I'm still getting no tree.
It's just not solid enough.
There's not of a...
Not that it would be that solid because it's in a...
In a base, isn't it?
It's not in the ground, this tree.
It's in one of those Christmas tree stands.
But yeah, I'm not even getting a wobbly Christmas tree at the moment.
I'm just getting lots of interesting stuff, which is fine.
I think if things don't make sense, then we should look into why they don't make sense.
And as you say, It has been so arranged that a lot of this stuff is not there.
I mean, like World's Fairs, good example.
All the photographs we seem to get, or most of the photographs, seem to be after the event.
There don't seem to be many construction photographs, and there don't seem to be many photographs of people actually at these events.
It's like they were unattended.
Yeah, there are a few.
There are a few.
And if you go on to Pathé, Their website, you can actually see videos of people attending some of these events.
But the further back you go, the harder it is to find anything at all.
But there are pictures of people attending, but they're few and far between.
And that's why I was saying earlier on that there are no children in any of these pictures, which I find strange.
Where are the children?
Surely if you were going to World Fair that people would at least expect to see it.
A few children there from the millions of people that they claim attended these things.
Also with the World's Fair, it's unusual that some of the places that they held the map, Tasmania and Samoa, the most bizarre places held these World's Fairs.
And of course, if you look at the architecture, and this goes back to the Tartarian, the tree, if you like.
Who was out there deciding what these world's fairs were going to look like?
Because they're all very similar.
They took place all over the world as sort of shared knowledge and design with regard to architecture, almost like they're all looking at the same blueprint.
So who was doing this?
Whose ethos were they following?
And that's...
So all of these little things...
So you're quite right.
When you look at Tartaria, where's the tree?
We're looking at all the baubles.
But the more baubles and more decorations that we put onto this, the stronger the tree becomes because it all came from somewhere.
But I'm still...
It could fall over.
It could.
It could fall over in the weight of these baubles.
I'm quite happy at any time to be proven wrong because...
And I'm corrected all the time on things I said.
Like I said earlier on, I refer to it as the Tartarian Empire.
And I'm told that that is a red herring.
That actually, the reason they've started this conspiracy called the Tartarian Empire is because they want to hide the fact that it was actually Jesus and he lived for a thousand years and didn't die on a cross.
And I'm hit with this all the time from different directions.
So the bottom line is...
Come up with that one.
Not many.
That's quite out there.
I would say that I've probably had that at least two or three times a week for the last year on social media.
But I'm attacked for a lot of things on there.
But I'm corrected quite regularly.
Okay.
Yeah, but am I being corrected?
It's just someone else's opinion, but I'm getting it quite a lot.
Which is why I looked at it.
But my tree, I'm quite happy for someone to knock it over.
But what I'm waiting for is someone to knock it over by showing me something that makes me think, you know what, they're right, and that this is misdirection.
But I'm still being sent information all the time, and I'm still researching it.
Which is why I theorize a lot and I ask questions a lot.
This is just what I think.
And I keep saying that in the book.
And also when I post on Facebook in this group that I started, I always end it by saying, this is just what I think.
What do you think?
Yeah.
Because I don't know.
It's like the guy who makes the videos of the buildings in America that don't make sense.
What's it called?
He just says, you know, here's a building and that size, it's very big.
How do you explain the size of that door?
Yeah, there's a podcaster that's called My Lunch Break.
He's good, and he too does that thing where he says, look, I don't know the answer, I'm just asking questions.
I think it's good to ask questions.
I think where...
Well, of course...
Those of us who are interested into this kind of thing are divided, I would say, between those of us who go with the biblical version of events and infer various truths from Christianity and so on,
and those who go for the kind of what I would consider the more sci-fi Hancock sort of version of events, where So you think we've had many, many, many civilizations?
That's your working theory?
That's what I think, yeah.
Right.
Yeah, I do think that.
And tell me about the Anunnaki.
Well, the Anunnaki, someone that I actually follow and got a lot of information from and have followed for a long time now.
He's Portuguese, but he lives up in Scotland, and you wouldn't know from his accent, but he's Freddie Silver.
And he's got quite a few books out there and been interviewed an awful lot over the years about his work and research.
So he suggests that 250,000 years ago, a planet out there in the solar system needed gold.
They had a problem with their ozone layer.
They needed gold.
Put this gold into small particles, fire it into their atmosphere and protect it.
So they came, they searched the various different planets and then they find Earth, which they called something else.
And the brothers are called Enki and Enlil.
They came to Earth.
They don't want to mine themselves.
People are getting tired of the mining.
It's hard work.
It's laborious.
So they look at the hunter-gatherer wandering around Neanderthal Man.
And decide with a few DNA tweaks over a process of, I think it was several years, they eventually get something that pops out looking like us that will obey and follow orders and can also reproduce.
And that was Adam in theory.
So it's not too dissimilar to the story of the Bible where we are created, we were created in the image of a superior being.
As such.
Right.
Okay, so my problems with that immediately are, were these planets that they came from?
Nibiru.
If this race is really that advanced, why would they possibly need to mine gold?
They'd be able to extract it at the molecular level.
Their technology would be so great.
And secondly, space doesn't actually exist.
You've got to go back to first principles.
Show me the evidence that space exists.
And then you ask yourself, well, okay, so who created the Anunnaki?
I mean, suppose they did create us.
Who made them?
It's just a sort of...
It's like a sort of series of Russian dolls.
You have to get back to...
When you get to the irreducible core, what's the truth?
I don't think that theory helps explain anything other than...
Well, you can't find it very consoling, I imagine, to think that...
No?
I mean, if we're just created by aliens that are just kind of...
Mucking around with us and just like...
Tweaking our DNA. That's not fun, is it?
No.
No.
But then is it supposed to be?
So what do you...
Do you believe that actually we're more...
We evolved?
God created us.
No, I don't believe in evolution.
I have to say, the normiest thing you've said is where you talk about Neanderthals and stuff.
Evolution is just bollocks.
It's made up by Freemasons.
I mean, Darwin was a Freemason.
There are even records of senior Paris Freemasons celebrating the fact that the creation of this evolutionary theory myth, which seems to be being bought by sections of society, including certain churchmen.
I'm sure I wrote that the Vatican funded the research for Darwin, that it was put out there as an alternative point of view, so you just give people a choice of two things to believe in.
I mean, I wouldn't put that past the Vatican, and obviously we know that at a certain level there was an intersection between the Vatican and the Illuminati.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I'm sure they're in it up to the neck.
But it's...
You know what I was saying earlier about, look, I'm up for any...
I'm up for considering any theory.
But in order to think logically and critically about any theory, you have to...
you have to...
Be on the alert for any details in the theory which are basically fake normie information.
If fake normie information infiltrates the theory, then it's likely that the theory is corrupt and that it's some kind of psyop.
So anything that relies, for example, on evolutionary theory to buoy it up is...
It's clearly suspect, because evolutionary theory is itself a product of the liars.
Do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
But look, I'm still open to...
Well, there's something very, very rum about Cabbage Patch Kids.
What do you think?
How do you think we appeared here?
Oh, God.
God created us.
And who do you believe God to be?
He is this all-powerful, all-knowing entity that created the world and everything in it and created the angels and the archangels and the Chobein and the Seraphim.
And do you think that that is a being that we could see?
Yes, we could only infer.
Because we see through a glass darkly, but we can sort of infer certain characteristics because we know, we're told that he created us in his image.
And we hear about his wrath, but also about his loving kindness, about his mercy, about his...
Many of the characteristics that we have, God has too, but he's a kind of more perfect...
And in a way, to understand him, I find it helpful looking at his creation, looking at the intricacy and beauty of the world we live in.
It gives you a glimpse, just a glimpse, because I think that there's another realm, which is the divine realm, which is Where the colour spectrums are vaster and the music is sweeter and so on.
But yeah, we get a taste of this on earth and that's how we kind of infer what God is like and who he is and what he does.
So you see it very much as one particular person or being?
Yeah.
Because a lot of people argue that the original Bible, it was plural, that God was plural.
Yeah, no, I've sort of looked into this a bit.
Various...
When you get down to the details of the text, it does get very contested, not least because you've got...
The complications of the corruptions of the text, the Septuagint versus the Masoretic texts, and the Septuagint is a Greek translation of earlier Hebrew texts which no longer exist, whereas the Masoretic texts date from about the first millennium.
They've been tinkered with, and it's very complicated.
Yeah, I know Elohim is plural, not singular.
You've got these complications.
I don't think that they discredit the big picture view that uncorrupted Christians have.
By uncorrupted, I mean those who have not...
In the senior echelons of the Catholic Church or the Church of England or, you know, whatever.
I think basically the Christians have got it right.
But look, I mean, that's why I'm interested in talking to people with a different viewpoint, because I think everyone should be challenged on...
Who's going to talk about this stuff?
Should be challenged on where we're coming, where we come from, why we're here.
Because I'm always interested in hearing alternative theories.
I had a falling out with David Icke over this because he didn't want to engage with these questions.
He just wanted to dismiss me as a kind of your religion.
you know, that I was a prisoner of my belief system, which was based on it.
Well, no, if somebody can come up with a better one, a more persuasive one, then I'm interested.
I just haven't found anything anywhere near as persuasive as the Christian.
What do you think about the books that were admitted?
Like, just for example, the Book of Enoch, have you?
I love the Book of Enoch.
Yeah, I think the Book of Enoch.
Look, if I were deciding what goes into the Bible, I'd definitely include the Book of Enoch.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not so convinced by the Gnostic Gospels.
I think there's not, no.
I don't think there's...
Unfortunately, the guy I would like to talk to about this is dead.
So you need...
It's a fantastic rabbit hole.
And of course, what makes it more complicated is that you've got the Orthodox people telling you different things, and the Catholics telling you different things, and the Protestants, etc.
It's very complicated and interesting, and I think it's probably the study of a lifetime.
And even after a lifetime, you're never going to get to the bottom of it.
You're going to find out when you die, I guess.
I think the Ethiopian Bible does include the Book of Enoch.
Yeah, I think that's right.
I think the Coptic Church has got, well, I mean, the Catholic Bible's got more books in it.
I'm not sure that they drastically affect the core messages of the Bible.
So, yeah.
Well, I think we've kind of talked about a lot, haven't we?
Is there anything else that you're burning to say before we go?
I mean, anything we've missed?
There is one thing.
If anybody out there can tell me where I can find any footage of Nikola Tesla, I would be eternally grateful.
I've been looking for years now, and I just can't find anything of him.
I can find Einstein, Edison, I can find them all.
But I've been asking this on forums and forums on Facebook that have close to a million bloody followers or members, and nobody has ever been able to send me any footage of him, what we would today call video or movie footage.
But back then, I don't know what they referred to it to.
Nothing.
Nothing at all.
And I've looked.
I've been looking for four years.
I've hunted the dark web.
I've been everywhere.
I cannot find anything at all.
So that's something that remains an anomaly for me.
Guy, it's been lovely talking to you.
Where do people find you?
Obviously, we'll plug your book.
How do they get hold of your book?
If they want a signed copy, they can get one directly from me.
Or Amazon.
It's on Amazon.
Okay.
And...
They can always email me if they want to.
Have you got...
Yeah, give us your email and your website or whatever.
Yeah, so my email address is guypeteranderson at gmail.com.
And that's it?
That's it.
And the Facebook group, they can join.
And that's the same name as the book, Tesla and the Cabbage Patch Kids.
I think he's got about 23,000.
Members now, and they pump a lot of information.
Well done, that's great.
Yeah, yeah, and it's those people that have given me a lot of information, but also the same people that shoot me down when they think I'm wrong.
So it's a good leveller.
Well, I can say it's a very enjoyable read, and it throws up all sorts of interesting things, which I hadn't really looked at before.
So I do recommend it.
Guy, thank you very much.
Thank you.
And if you've enjoyed this podcast, you can support me and get early access to the videos and chats I do.
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That's always a good thing.
And anyway, regardless.
Thank you very much for listening and Happy New Year.
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Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how Some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011 actually.
The first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scan So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scan.
I then asked the question, OK, if it is a scan, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that way.
Just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster, we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother God.
