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Welcome, Bob.
Bob Moran, back to The Deling Pod.
It's so good to have you back.
Thank you, James.
It's really good to be back.
I'm almost at the point of not being a special guest anymore.
We have appeared together so many times.
Can I say, you've almost achieved Dick status.
Dick status?
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
What an athlete.
Which is a bit like...
If you were a German in the 1940s, early 1940s, it would be the equivalent of getting a Ritterkreutz, I think.
That's it, yeah.
Maybe with oak leaves.
But you do actually feel like my brother.
And...
As I think I may have mentioned on one of my previous podcasts, I pretty much don't trust anybody.
The only people I absolutely trust 100% in terms of where they are kind of in their heads, ideologically or whatever, are Dick and Helen.
But you would be the next level down of trust.
So if it does turn out that your name, Bob, and the way you sign it, is actually indicative of your occult Illuminati...
Because what does the Bob do?
Does it make a 666 or something?
No, no, it's because it's a 33...
It's overlaid with 101, and there aren't really any other ways of writing Bob.
This is the problem.
I have asked people, how else would you like me to write my name?
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not buying your...
Of course you've worked on that excuse for a long time.
Yeah, that's right.
I'm clearly not going to be brought off by it.
No, but suppose you are an agent of the Illuminati.
First of all, can I say, mate, you have played an absolute blinder.
That's right.
You really have.
Yeah, getting myself fired...
You've got yourself fired from the Telegraph, yeah, yeah.
But some of the Illuminati have tells, don't they?
I mean, like, just subtle tells.
Like, in the case of Russell Brand, it's the fact that there's footage of him attending...
P Diddy parties and engaging in unspeakable acts.
Yeah.
And there's the fact that he used to be Katy Perry's monarch handler and stuff like that.
So these are kind of subtle indications that he might not...
I know.
Have you seen Alistair's latest bit about Russell Brand?
Where he just goes, Russell Brand's just become a Christian.
Incredible timing, don't you think?
Hey Russell, weren't you at these P. Diddy parties?
Sorry, what's up mate?
I'm just reading the Old Testament.
It's very funny.
Yeah, and he's got it exactly right.
That's exactly what he would say.
I'm just reading the Old Testament.
Yeah.
Yeah, he goes, just a bit about all sins can be...
Yes.
Well, this is the problem, isn't it?
The problem with Christians.
I don't want to diss all Christians.
But since I've entered Christian world, I've found that Christians can be as gullible as any other class of people, even though they're supposed to have this quality called I've found that Christians can be as gullible as any other And what's more, they seem to have been blinded by this idea.
I know it's scripturally correct, the idea that God can forgive anyone, even the most egregious of sinners.
So they extrapolate from this that they can just look at Russell Brand.
This is what he says is a Christian.
I mean, he's obviously repented and our job is to not question.
And I'm thinking, hang on a second, where did this not questioning element come into it?
Where did this...
Yeah.
Well, I think...
He says it so he must be.
I've said this many times and had this argument a lot on social media about the whole idea of forgiveness.
And obviously, we are called to forgive.
And it's supposed to be really difficult and it's one of the qualities that you can point to that make God God, that he's able to forgive any evil.
But I think people get very confused and they think that forgiving somebody is the same thing as commending them and placing them on some kind of pedestal and saying, please lead us You can forgive someone without continuing to view them as some great source of information or guidance.
It's like a lot of the people who've been complicit in all of this horrendous stuff that's happened And who are now presenting themselves still as being up for election or leaders or speaking at various things, whatever.
And you say, well, I don't know why we're still listening to this person.
You say, well, we should forgive them.
But you think that's not the same thing as asking them to continue to hold positions of authority.
Yeah, but also hasn't there got to be an element of kind of quite detailed repentance?
Yes, but it's empty.
It's completely empty for giving somebody for a sin or a crime that they've not yet themselves acknowledged or apologised for, but it doesn't mean anything.
Yeah.
Especially while they're still doing it.
That would be...
That will be, yeah.
What do you think it's all about, all these celebrity podcasters and stuff?
Finding God, you know, Candice and Russell and who are the other ones?
Yeah, Candice is a Catholic now, isn't she?
Ava Vlad Ingebrook also joined the Catholic Church.
I mean, in some cases, it may just be that need to belong to something, you know, because if they feel everything else has been taken away, they like that sense of security of belonging to some kind of big group that can back them up.
But I also suspect that it's working the other way around and some of these institutions are looking around trying to hoover up these powerful voices and bring them into the fold.
I don't know.
It's difficult.
I mean, Candace Owens seems to be...
She's saying some good stuff, Candace Owens, at the moment.
And she appears to have...
She appears to be quite open to criticising the institution of the Catholic Church and the Vatican.
As we would be to criticising...
The Church of England, for example.
I don't know.
It's difficult.
I don't know any of these people.
I haven't met them in real life.
No.
I have.
But I'm not sure that puts more at any advantage.
I mean, I've met...
I had dinner at the Ivy in Birmingham.
With George Farmer, Mr.
Candice.
Yes.
But I'm not sure that I'm any of the wiser on who he is or where he's coming from.
People are very good at putting up fronts.
I mean, I'm sure I've told you before, I once interviewed Tom Hanks and found him to be one of the most delightful, delightful chaps I've ever met.
So what does that say?
I mean, it says I'm incredibly gullible, it says he's a good actor.
It's a...
Everyone thinks they've got these wonderful spidey senses that they can intuit what someone is really like.
Maybe women can, I don't know, but I'm rubbish at it.
No, I think it's true that anybody, especially an actor like Tom Hanks, no one's denying that Tom Hanks is a fantastic actor.
They can meet anyone and charm the pants off them and appear like a completely down-to-earth, funny, amicable person who you have a great lunch with or you have a great time with.
The good thing is there are plenty of tests around all the time now, really.
Where the gauntlet is thrown down, a particular issue comes up, and you see which way these people go.
And that's the stuff that matters.
Anybody can say all kinds of crap around a dinner table about what they think, you know, on ethical issues and this and that.
But when the shit hits the fan, that's how you know, by the way they react to stuff.
Or don't.
Yeah, and I can't remember who it was who said, by their fruits you shall know them.
Yeah.
But whoever it was, he was on something there, wasn't he?
Yeah, I have been thinking a lot about that quote lately, in terms of a cartoon, but I can't quite make it work.
It's quite fun, isn't it?
Yeah.
It's like being a...
A mole catcher in the Le Carre book.
Being awake and fully down the rabbit hole.
And you're saying, who can we trust in the circus?
And who is the double agent?
That's right, yeah.
Yeah, it's been going on for such a long time though, hasn't it, James?
We've come such a long way.
And...
I mean, I was thinking about this.
This isn't me deliberately trying to steer things towards my book.
Although, you know, I do want to talk about my book.
Heaven forfeit, although I think we should.
We should talk about it.
We should.
But, you know, one of the things about my book, aside from just being a collection of all my work from the last four years...
Have you got a book out, Bob?
What's this?
Tell me about this book.
I don't know.
So I've got a book out that's a really beautifully produced hardback book of all my work from the last four years, almost all my work in...
Can confirm, it's a thing of beauty.
It really is.
Thank you.
Yes, you've got one, haven't you, James?
I have.
Love it.
Have you got it there?
It's on my shelf.
I'm going to get it now.
Wait there.
okay there it is I'll tell you what I like about it.
I like the fact that you have invested in a really quality edition because I think that there are households all over the country That ought to have this book on their coffee table and it would sit well on the coffee table because it is beautifully produced.
Yes, that was the idea.
Sort of infiltrate our dangerous ideas into the households of people who would otherwise not be aware of them.
So you're subverting upper middle class Britain, if you like.
Yes, well that's the idea and I had a lot of back and forth about how to do the cover and what to make the book look like.
Because obviously I had so many options for a cover.
I could have used any of my images or created a new image or whatever.
And then somebody else suggested actually just doing something completely different because it wasn't going to be in bookshops.
And so obviously most of the time you're completely restricted with a cover because it has to sell the book.
Whereas I'm not really doing that in the same way.
It's not supposed to be in a shop window.
So they said you could do something really simple and bold.
And I thought, yeah, that would be quite good.
And also, if it's really high quality, you know, if I saw a book on somebody's coffee table that was just black and it had the word Bob, I'd think, what on earth is that?
And I'd want to pick it up and have a look at it.
So that's the idea that it draws people in.
Then once you pick it up, you realize, well, this is a really high quality book.
And you open it and you see, oh, this is an art book.
So you immediately in a different frame of mind.
You're not thinking this is some political thing or this is a Giles annual or whatever.
You then viewing it as an art book.
So.
People feel a bit silly deciding they don't like an art book because they're viewing it as art.
So you know, this is how you get their attention and kind of reel them in.
And it's been great because I've been going around doing these signings in pubs around the country and People come to these signings and they will bring a friend or a family member or a husband or a wife who's not been on side and who doesn't know my work, but they finally agreed, you know, all right, darling, I'll come with you to this Bob thing, whoever that is.
I've had this a few times where whoever they've brought with them is sitting around thinking, you know, who are all these people and why are they all getting on so well?
I don't understand.
And they'll pick up a book and start looking at it and then you'll see them laugh at something and then they'll laugh at another one a couple of pages later and then they'll come over and say, can I buy one?
So it's really working.
And partly the timing of it...
That's made me so happy.
You know, we are at a point where people are starting to get a bit curious.
Now, obviously, they've got a long way to go and they don't understand things as we do.
But partly because of what's going on with this government, at the moment, they've just got this little inkling, finally, that something's not right.
And so...
I think when they see the book and it makes them laugh and they it's presented as a quality art book they start to think oh yeah maybe actually maybe things have been a bit crazy for four years and it was really interesting getting the book printed because I found these fantastic printers in Dorchester who were not not on side they're not kind of a wake printer or anything but really professional and open-minded And
they were doing the book, you know, they've got the massive printing press and these two guys who kind of worked there for 30 years and stuff, and they took so much care over the images and getting all the colours right, and I was going in, they were checking the proofs with me.
But obviously, they are seeing every one of my cartoons, you know, a lot of times.
I'm not going to say how many...
I don't know how many copies I've had printed, but, you know, it was a lot.
So after a couple of days, one of them says to me, so who's this woman with the teeth then?
And I said, well, that's Jacinda Ardern.
He said, well, who's that?
I don't know who that is.
So I said, okay, well, go home tonight and Google her and look at what she did in New Zealand.
And then you come back in the next day and sort of say, I can't believe it.
You know, I can't believe what she did.
And why haven't I heard of her?
I didn't hear about any of this, you know?
Um, so, and that was great.
And by the end, by the time I picked the books up from the printer, every single person, there was about a hundred employees there.
Every single person was coming over to me saying, this is one of the best books we've ever printed and everyone loves it and everyone's laughing at it.
Um, And interestingly, most of the time these people, do you know what they print?
Most of their business is printing scientific journals.
So it's such a wonderful outcome.
That is...
That's beautiful.
I'm so happy for you that this has happened.
How many turn up to the pub signings?
We're getting 60 or 70 people at the moment.
I just did Manchester.
I did one in Manchester this weekend.
It was fantastic.
And because the people of the North are so great, and I've tried to do several things in the North and haven't been able to because they've been cancelled.
So it was so nice to finally get up there and meet all these people.
God, they do love to chat though, the Northerners, don't they?
And drink.
Yeah.
But only one guy fell over.
Yeah, that must be quite necessary.
It is tiring.
But I love it.
I'm not going to complain.
It's so nice.
I mean, you know, James, when these people meet you, they're just so grateful.
People just want to shake your hand and say thank you.
And it's really...
I find it really moving still.
And it still surprises me.
And the thing is...
I wouldn't have been able to keep going and have got to where I am without all of these people.
It's only because they stuck by me and carried on sharing my work that I'm still here too.
So, you know, and it's obviously the same for you because they've all carried on listening to you and supporting you.
It's great, isn't it?
Even though it's tiring.
It's fantastic.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would do it all the time if it weren't so tiring.
But it's a wonderful experience just to know that people...
It's nice being loved, isn't it?
It is.
Because we get so much shit from most of the world.
Yeah, I love the contrast as well because people are so different.
You know, some people will greet you like an old friend and just kind of slap you on the back and say, you know, well done, mate, great stuff.
And then other people are almost so overcome they can hardly speak to you and they're tearing up.
And, you know, and obviously some people say...
I've got a great idea for a cartoon.
Okay.
You know, even though I tried to spell it out in my show, I still get that a lot.
I've got a great idea for a cartoon.
I'm fascinated by these people who come along as the wives or girlfriends or boyfriends or whatever, the reluctant ones who come along.
And I can see why They might pick up your book.
And initially being attracted by the kind of the Where's Wally element to it, you can just look at these pictures and enjoy them for themselves, for ours.
Just look at the...
before you even start thinking about what the satirical import might be.
I love all your detail.
It's just...
Yeah, I think there's that.
There's all the detail.
And it's interesting because both the detail and the tone of it, I guess, or the kind of brutality of some of them, both of those things only come from the fact that I don't work for a newspaper anymore.
I don't have these tight deadlines.
So I can, A, I can spend three or four days on a big piece and putting all this detail in that you can't do at a newspaper.
And I can take things further in terms of, you know, gratuitous nudity or bodily fluids that you would never get past an editor.
So this is something people haven't seen elsewhere, you know, and it's kind of really a tone, a type of cartooning That's not really been possible since its genesis with Hogarth and Gilray who were also totally independent and just producing the work and then the work was shared kind of underground and before the whole thing was captured by the system and
started being put in magazines like Punch and then eventually all the newspapers and it gets neutered and loses a lot of its impact.
Yes.
So the early cartoonists, they were completely un...
Hogarth and Gilray were completely uncensored, were they?
I don't know, James.
I mean, there may be a rabbit hole here.
And we should be careful, because who knows who Hogarth and Gilray really were.
Maybe they were masons or whatever.
I don't know.
As far as I understand it, these were just artists who decided to produce satirical pictures against the monarchy and the government of the day and They would just be displayed.
They would create these big prints and display them in shop windows.
And then people would gather to look at the latest print, a bit like a physical recreation of Twitter, of someone logging on and looking at the screen.
They would all look at the print and laugh at it and Then some people would buy reproductions, and they would get shared around, and they'd slowly go all around Europe.
But this was a kind of underground, unsanctioned thing that was very powerful.
And as soon as it began, it was really savage.
They didn't hold anything back.
And then, obviously, like any of these things, It gets picked up by...
I mean, in this country, Punch was the first magazine to really take it on and make cartooning their thing.
In fact, I think it was Punch magazine that first sort of created The idea of cartoons, of this kind of satirical artwork being called cartoons, because obviously a cartoon was a type of painting before then.
You know, it wasn't a funny picture, a cartoon.
Yes, Leonardo cartoons.
Yeah, exactly.
Never made me laugh.
Not one of them, ever.
It wasn't funny.
No, it wasn't.
None of many parts, but...
It wasn't his strong suit, no.
Anyway, that's how cartoons started.
And in some ways I'm kind of back to doing it that way, although obviously I can get my stuff out a lot more quickly and it can be shared more easily.
Now that brings us back to the book, because The big disadvantage we all have now is that everything we do is online, everything we do is via the internet, which of course means it can all be deleted, switched off, if certain people would like to do that.
And so I thought, I really want to produce a physical record of all this work that people can have in their hands, in their houses, even if it gets put in a box in the attic and forgotten about.
In the future, somebody somewhere will be able to find all of these pictures and see this alternative narrative of what went on during these years.
Yeah.
How long have we been at this game now?
When did it all kick off?
About 2020, was it?
Yeah, 2020.
Sort of March 2020.
You know, back when...
This is what I was coming on to.
It's why I brought the book up about how long we've been doing this and how far we've come.
Specifically, you and I, in terms of being totally embedded in the mainstream and committed to the system or, you know, obviously sceptical.
I mean, we're obviously both slightly cynical, sceptical people.
That's why we...
Always did what we did.
We were kind of independently minded.
We were to a point.
But I had this underlying trust that ultimately the system and the machine were self-correcting.
And that there were always...
There was some level of decency and morality somewhere in there.
And that they would actually listen.
They were open to...
Good ideas would win, ultimately, in the end.
That's what has been shattered, but it took me a long time to fully let go.
And like you've said before, we were all bedwetters for a time.
You know, and I was at the beginning.
This was not a case of waking up in early March 2020 and going, everything's a lie and this is an agenda to destroy humanity.
And that's what you start tweeting.
It didn't happen like that.
And this is something that those who aren't with us have been convinced that that's who we are.
We're just these kind of weirdos who...
Who immediately assumed there was this global conspiracy.
Whereas actually it took us a long time to get to the point where we were even open to looking at that stuff.
Because I can remember one of the really early podcasts you did with our friend Peter Hitchens.
In about, is it early March, probably, 2020, where Hitchens is kind of going, this is all an overblown...
Nonsense and it's going to be a disproportionate response.
We need to guard our civil liberties and all that.
And you're there going, I don't know, Peter.
You know, I know people in Hong Kong and this sounds pretty bad and it's exactly the kind of thing China would do.
No, James, no, no.
Think how far we've come from that.
But...
I think there is a lot of value in this thought process, in the fact that people like us have actually spent a long time thinking so deeply about this stuff and working it all out.
And that is another thing that you can see in my book because it's chronological.
The cartoons really tell the story of one man thinking things through over four years.
And I think that in itself, in and of itself, even if you don't agree with the conclusions and the messages, What you can't deny is this is somebody who has thought about something and come to their own conclusions.
And again, that's not something people see a lot anymore, and it's something we're in danger of losing.
Yeah, I was just thinking.
Even on some of my earlier, my post-awake substack articles, you've got pieces by me saying things like, probably about 2021, 22 maybe, why chemtrails is my favourite conspiracy theory.
And all I was saying was, look, you know, I'm not sure what I think on chemtrails, but I like it because it pisses people off so much.
So that was my position then.
Whereas now I'd be thinking, who are these crazy, crazy people who can still look up at the skies and see these white lines Sort of spreading out and then forming this thick cloud cover.
How can you look at that stuff and not believe in chemtrails?
What kind of nutcase are you?
So yeah, you're right.
There are these shifts.
Some people don't want to go beyond a certain point.
I mean, I've noticed that some people want to believe All the stuff they believe, but they don't want to go as far as realising that Hollywood actors are all satanic paedophiles and that the actresses are mostly men and that this has been going on since forever.
They don't want to do that.
People don't want to believe it.
But there's also this strange thing of...
With some of this stuff, I take the view that...
Even if you're not 100% certain that it's all true, we are at a point now where it's probably sensible to assume that most of it is and to behave as if most of it is.
We're past the point of benefit of the doubt when it comes to things like paedophilia in Hollywood or Donald Trump or any of this stuff.
The assumption ought to be That they're all evil because they just spent four years trying to kill everybody.
But people find that really hard.
The problem with that is they can't see a way out and they can't then see any easy solutions where they don't have to do very much other than vote for somebody or write a petition.
Or even go on a march, which I kind of think we're beyond the point of marching for stuff now, because underpinning these marches and protests is always and must be the idea that you want the government to listen to you and react.
But people ought to understand now.
They're not unaware.
People need to get past the point of assuming that these people just haven't heard about it yet, or we just haven't phrased it in the right way, or we haven't shouted loudly enough.
They all know.
They all know.
They knew before you did, and they know more than you do.
It reaches the point where behaving as if we need to tell them is just humiliating for us.
Yes.
There's a similar thing.
The recent budget.
Lots of people noticed that farmers were being particularly hard hit.
Yeah.
And then I think Rachel Reeves, who apparently is the Chancellor right now.
You see, I occasionally glance at newspapers.
Yeah, that's right.
Rachel Reeves and her massive hole.
Yeah.
Rachel Reeves apparently made some trolling remark saying, you know, the economy's in too bad a shape for us to let farmers off the hook or reduce their taxes.
Just something like, we don't care.
We know what we do.
And then you get these...
So the Telegraph, which is a paper that we both used to work for...
Oh, I remember.
Yeah, I remember that.
...runs on its...
Do you remember them?
It runs on its features supplement pull-out thing.
It gets various celebrity farmers, James Rebanks, the sheep farmer, and Jeremy Clarkson, and Kirsty Allsup, you know, the friendly person of farming.
And they say, this is terrible, and it's going to have this effect on farming.
And then Clarkson says something facile like, ah, but in four years' time we'll have voted this lot out.
And the others are saying that this is a terrible thing, it's going to affect farming for generations.
And you're thinking, this is all performative.
The media, the mainstream media, is part of the lie machine which is owned by the very people who are planning to destroy farmers.
The Telegraph is part of the problem, as are all the newspapers.
Here they are, going through the motions of showing their readers that this is a terrible thing and that they should care about it and that if they raise up enough of a stink, someone might listen, something might be done.
Everything is so compartmentalised, though, and, you know, sectioned off.
I mean, one of the stupid things about the farming inheritance tax story is that that then becomes the big problem for farmers.
We're going to lose all these farms and, you know, they're not going to be able to pass them on.
And this is going to be a really hard few years for farmers.
And it ignores the fact that for the last three or four years most of these farmers haven't been able to grow anything because of what they've been doing to the skies.
So, you know, we're not going to have any food because the farmers haven't produced any.
That's sort of a big issue that's being glossed over by all these poor farmers.
Yes, poor farmers.
It's awful and we can't afford to, if you love the countryside, you can't afford to lose these small farms.
It's going to ruin, it's a bit like the hunting thing we've talked about before.
If you don't have these small farms, All the beauty of the British countryside disappears.
All the trees and the hedgerows and the beautiful copses, they'll be gone.
And we will have an entirely different landscape.
So, yes, it's ridiculous, but all by design.
But there's also this whole element that a lot of the farmers still don't grasp, is that they haven't been able to grow anything, and that is also by design.
And we're going to have massive food shortages.
And the global economy is probably going to go tits up anyway.
And you will never see a newspaper article that brings all of these things together and says, look, we're fucked.
I mean, it's all going to collapse.
Because they want everybody to see it as episodic or this little thing here.
This is a shame, but we can probably put this right somewhere down the line.
And it's amazing how many people who, even who call themselves awake, how easy it is for them to get dragged back into this mindset of, you know, this little story is a separate thing or a new thing.
Yeah.
I mean, the Telegraph...
Sometimes I feel like the Telegraph are deliberately trolling me with their articles, whether they...
You know, they publish things about the damages of lockdowns or how harmful they were to children.
The other day they had a big piece on artists who've been cancelled for having controversial views and how terrible it is.
Did they?
They're definitely trolling you there.
Who were these artists?
I think these were mainly artists who'd been opposed to the trans agenda.
I think a lot of them were female artists who produced stuff about men not competing in female sport.
But the overall thing was, this is really dangerous because we're cancelling artists for their views and their values, and we really can't be doing this.
Did they mention cartoonists at all?
No, funnily enough, they didn't.
They didn't mention cartoonists.
But I do laugh, and I think somebody's having fun here.
And then, yeah, there was something the other day where they had...
I don't know if you've noticed this.
The Telegraph are particularly guilty of it, but it's all over the media.
All of these...
Articles and puff pieces and magazine features of how to live longer.
You know, how to stay alive beyond 50.
But as if it's this problem people have always had.
You know how we all generally have a heart attack at 45?
Well, now these really clever scientists and sports people can tell you how to live a bit longer.
That's again, it's just this ridiculous trolling they're doing.
Yeah.
How to avoid getting turbo cancer?
You know, so-and-so, this new celebrity has discovered these heart problems or blood clotting or whatever.
They just appear out of nowhere, these things.
But luckily, as you say, scientists have found this new way.
Yeah, yeah.
And it turns out it's because people are eating too much meat, or they're driving their car for too long, or, you know, anything that helps the agenda.
Well, that's interesting.
This is how even...
Everyone wants...
Even on our side, everyone wants to have these heroes that...
You know, Clarkson might be one of them because Clarkson is sticking up for farmers.
He's finally showing how tough it is making a living from being a farmer.
And unless you're a millionaire with great publishing deals and an Amazon contract, you can't really afford to run a farm.
And then...
Clarkson appears in the headlines.
He's had heart trouble, mystery heart trouble.
We can't think what could have caused it.
But luckily he's on this vegan diet.
They don't call it vegan, do they?
What's the phrase they used?
I don't know.
What's the...
Meat-free, is it?
I saw Ivor Cummins talking about this.
Because Ivor Cummins is desperate to talk to Jeremy Clarkson and tell him what a load of bollocks his diet is.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I can't remember what they call it.
The weird thing is...
It's not...
They've got this phrase, haven't they?
Anyway, I was...
I don't know how witting these people are.
I... went to a party during the sort of the COVID nonsense.
And...
Jeremy Clarkson was there.
And it was one of those country parties, you know the kind, where people are not necessarily knowing...
And he made a beeline for me because I think he sensed that because I was a sort of media person, he wanted to...
he felt safe with me.
Right.
And he wanted to talk to me about TV reviews and stuff.
Okay.
But talking to him, it was clear to me...
That he believed all the bollocks in the newspapers about vaccines.
He'd been jabbed up.
And it had never occurred to him to question this stuff, despite that supposedly sceptical mind he's got and that piss-taking quality.
That he is just...
Being used as a tool of...
Which I think is part of the deal when you get to that level of fame and fortune.
Whether wittingly or otherwise, you become part of the propaganda machine.
I think this is important for people to understand that if you reach a certain level and you've got potential, you know, deals or, you know, and you've got a series on Amazon or you've got books you need to sell or whatever, and you've got a series on Amazon or you've got books you need to
But I mean, published books that are in bookshops, you know, and you also...
Of a kind of character that's incredibly vain.
All these people are incredibly vain and egotistical.
And what they care about is having a profile, being successful, and essentially not doing what you and I have done and sacrificing their place within the mainstream.
Someone like Jeremy Clarkson has worked really hard in the sense that He's viewed as a slightly dangerous, critical figure who doesn't care what he says, while making sure he's always going to be on mainstream television and he's always going to get articles in the papers, he's always going to be invited to the right parties, getting that balance right.
It's the same fear that Topes has, isn't it?
It's that same thing.
And anyone who's like that, they don't need to be directly controlled.
They don't have to receive a telephone call every Monday morning saying here's what we want you to tweet this week or here's the line you need to take on this issue because you can guarantee they won't say what needs to be said.
They will just adopt the right line, the normie line, because they can't afford to lose...
Their precious status and fame and the household name they've become.
And the other thing is, we have to acknowledge how clever this whole thing was.
We have to acknowledge how hard the people with actual power in the world worked To make this, to pull this thing off and to get these jabs into as many people as possible.
And we know that it didn't make any difference how smart someone was on paper before all of this, how clever they were, you know, you thought this or that person was.
People just fell for it.
They were captured by it.
And Jeremy Clarkson is no different.
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um...
It is sad how many people are...
Even though people like Dolores Cahill were saying this is going to be a long-term thing, in the short, medium and long-term there are going to be deaths, and I kind of hoped they weren't going to be right.
Because of all the nice people that one knows that did fall.
Most people.
Most people.
And I don't look at these people and go, you are a bloody idiot.
What did you think you were doing?
I look at these people and go, well, you were victims of a military-grade psychological operation to make you take these jabs.
Of course you did.
Yeah, exactly.
It's very difficult because you want people to understand how serious this is and how vast the crime is that's been committed without unnecessarily depressing them and frightening them.
And I'm not even sure myself that it's impossible for somebody who's been injected with this stuff to get over it and to recover.
It might be.
Nobody seems to know a surefire way of doing that, and I just think, unfortunately, it's very cleverly designed stuff.
The whole point of it is that it creates this staggered, drawn-out Period of deaths happening at exactly the right rate that you can adjust the population to it being normal, that everyone just dies, you know.
Yes.
But this is the thing.
When I look back, when I'm doing the book and I'm thinking, I'm sort of reflecting on my thought process, and that is really the thing that I realise...
I didn't see as soon as I ought to have seen it.
I was so fixated on lockdowns and the testing and the masks and I thought it was so absurd and wrong on its own that I was just trying to make people understand that.
I was having that argument.
And when the jabs came along, obviously I knew the jabs were going to be dangerous.
They're a really bad idea.
But interestingly, when they said these are only going to be for the elderly, And the vulnerable, and people forget they said that now, but that was never the plan that everyone would have to have them.
I couldn't...
Part of me believed that.
I thought, well, okay, they're obviously going to do this.
They'll be dangerous, but they're obviously going to do this.
It's extraordinary.
I still thought that politicians and people were trying to find a way to bring us out of all this.
And it wasn't until a couple of months later when they said, actually, now we're going to do over-70s and then the over-60s.
And then I did immediately realise they're going to give this to everybody.
That was when the penny dropped.
And some people still don't look at it like this, but I then realised that everything...
That had preceded that.
The entire narrative, the idea of the virus, the idea of the lockdowns, all of the propaganda, the masks, absolutely everything about it had been designed for the sole purpose of getting as many people in the world to agree to have this injection.
The injections were always the point.
You know, that is something I really want more people to understand.
That it wasn't this situation that got out of control and then they panicked and they made a jab and then they panicked and tried to cover up the fact that it was harmless.
It's not that.
It was unprecedented.
They didn't know.
They didn't know what...
They were presented with this deadly virus that had escaped from a lab in China.
How could they possibly have known what to do?
No one could have known.
Nobody could have known.
They were just doing their best, Bob.
Yeah, except that if you were an evil mastermind and you wanted a plan to get...
About half of humanity to agree to inject themselves with a poison.
There is no plan better than what happened.
There isn't one.
Nobody could ever think of a more genius, efficient way of doing that.
Which didn't ought to be the case if this was all incompetence and paranoia.
And given that Did you ever see that Channel 4 dystopian series called Utopia?
Yes, I think so.
Where the punchline was, this is before Covid, where the punchline was that they set up this imaginary virus and it's designed to make people take the jab and the jab is the real virus.
Jab is the bad thing.
Yeah, I mean, that's not...
They knew!
When you simplify it like that, it's not a particularly genius idea.
It's very basic.
But...
To make that work, to sell it to people, you have to really understand how to time everything, how to sell the whole thing, how to coordinate different countries, what kind of propaganda to use, when to accelerate things, when to take your foot off the gas, how to divide people.
All of that is so, so clever.
Different propaganda for different countries.
Different propaganda.
At the beginning you're telling everybody what's happening all around the world and then all of a sudden nobody hears anything again about what other countries are doing.
And this is important to talk about today probably.
As part of that plan and one of the cleverest bits of it and what you absolutely need Is to create a character exactly like Donald Trump.
And that is what we will talk about in the second half when we've had our coffee.
I had a series of disasters.
So, as you know, living in the country, have you put your heating on yet?
Oh, I can't hear you.
I can't hear you.
Can you not hear me?
Oh, try that again.
What did you say?
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, I can hear you now.
Good.
Now, have you got your heating on yet?
Ah, yes.
Is your body freezing?
Yeah, I have got heating on and I've been lighting the fire.
So I hadn't got the heating on, so I was shivering my arse off.
And you probably haven't had this yet because you're not an old man, but what happens is that I was bursting for a pee.
I dashed off to the loo and unfortunately my tackle had so shriveled up that when I had the pee, I hosed everywhere except for the loo.
It went all over my trousers, all over the floor and then All over my jeans.
And then I came out to the room and I found the dog had pissed on the floor as well.
So I then put the dog out in the garden.
Just so you didn't feel left out.
That's very noble of the dog.
To rescue.
It's very noble of the dog.
So to avoid it, I've put on my...
I'm too cheap to put on the heating.
It's a matter of pride for me.
Have you changed your trousers or just taken them off?
No, I'm just sitting, stewing in my...
I'll change my trousers later on.
And I've got...
And I've hurt my back.
I was...
I was hunting the other day, and my jumping technique isn't quite perfect.
And what happens is that I get left behind on the jump, which means that you don't stay forward long enough, so that when you land, you jar your back.
And so I've been cobbling around like a cripple.
Can you ride?
I could when I was younger, but I've not ridden since I was about 16, and I never got to the point of taking big jumps like you do.
Well, I was looking, actually, there's a guy who does photographs of the hunt, and there was this one jump Which was the height of the five-bar gate.
The rail next to the gate was the same height as the gate.
And I was thinking, bloody hell, I would never do this normally.
Because it's insane.
I mean, you know, jumping...
Five-bar gates are quite high.
But you kind of have to do it when you're out.
Because it's all about...
It's all about showing form and doing things that you wouldn't otherwise do.
Yeah, exactly.
And there aren't many other things that one can do in life that work in that way anymore, where you just have to grit your teeth and do it because everyone else is doing it.
Now, I don't mean in the sense of being a sheep and going and queuing for your booster.
I mean just getting the adrenaline pumping and taking a risk you know and yeah it's it's insane and we're about to lose it I
I was chatting to this chap who was saying to me, have you heard about this plan where we're going to register as a persecuted minority and we're going to use the legislation for special treatment?
And I was thinking...
You don't get it, do you?
They don't want us to hunt, not because of the animal rights issues or anything like that.
They don't want you to hunt because they don't want communities.
They don't want people...
They don't want a strong...
Block in the country of people who are bound by this tradition and this community.
They don't want that.
They want us all in our 15-minute cities.
They don't want us to be able to travel.
And this is all part of the plan.
And you're thinking, oh, if only we vote out that terrible Keir Starmer and his awful Rachel Reeves, it'll all be back to normal.
It won't.
Yeah, I mean, that's amazing that you encounter so many people now who Who basically, you know, the sort of dyed-in-the-wool lifelong Tory voters who could never bring themselves to accept what the Conservative government were doing to the country and to them and to their families.
But now that it's Labour, there's such a sense of relief of, oh, I can hate these people now and I can be really cross about what they're doing.
And you kind of say, but what they're doing is only a continuation of what the last lot were doing.
But they don't want to see it like that, you know.
Did you not notice the handover you want to say to them?
Do you not realise that the only reason this current shower in power is because the last shower made it possible?
Yeah.
They were deliberately so bad that you felt that they needed voting out of office and replacing with a...
Yeah, and there are certainly shades of that now with what the Democrats are doing in the US election.
Totally.
Very similar.
You were saying to me, should we do a podcast before the election result came through?
And I was thinking, well...
No, I don't think we want to be distracted by these distractions, because if, as I'm assuming at the moment, Trump is going to get in, that was all part of the plan all along.
He's going to offer a sort of a sop to people who imagine that somehow they need an alternative, and he's going to pretend to be that alternative, and But he is the perfect person.
He was the perfect person to put in that role because before anything else, Donald Trump is an actor and he spent most of his life acting.
He's been in various Hollywood movies.
He appeared numerous times in WWE or WWF, whatever, you know, the wrestling.
So, you know, they thought, well, this guy knows how to fake an injury, so that's going to be useful.
Oh, when?
When?
When did he fake an injury?
Come on.
They're trying to assassinate him.
They've tried twice.
What can you mean?
If there's one thing this guy can do, it's be piled on by security guards while one of them smears some fake blood across his cheek.
We can rely on him for that.
Then he became really famous doing a television show called The Apprentice, which again was all scripted.
So the guy is a performer and...
If you're designing this plan, as I've already talked about, to make sure everyone gets injected and forces humanity to the absolutely most dark, fallen point they could possibly be at, you know that there are millions and millions of people who you can capture very easily.
You're not going to need to try that hard.
They're already 80% lost as it is.
They're not the ones you really worry about.
The ones you're really concerned with are the millions and millions of people who are immediately going to wake up about 40% and understand that the system is against them and they can't trust the machine.
How do you deal with them?
You have to have a character like Donald Trump.
Who you present as this anomaly, you know, as a kind of glitch in the algorithm.
So people think of him like Neo in The Matrix or something.
This guy has got in and it's really scuppered their plans.
And you make those people believe that this is their hero, that he's the one who's going to really fight back and stop all of this.
Um...
At the same time, you know, at the most crucial moment, I would argue the most crucial moment in our entire history, when it's time for people to actually get these injections, you make sure that this guy says, yeah, they're great.
They're absolutely fantastic.
In fact, I made them and you should all take them.
And people will look at it as, you know, well, that was just, he took bad advice.
You know, he followed the wrong advice.
You think, okay, well then at best we can say he's not very smart.
And if that was the case, why has it been three years since he took that bad advice and he's still saying these things were great and that it was a marvellous accomplishment for him?
Or they come up with this idea that, oh, he did it on purpose, you know, and he was trying to bring it out quicker so that fewer people took the jabs.
You think, well, that didn't work, did it?
Because most people took them.
So that on its own, I don't understand this, James, because that on its own, even if you want to believe it was a mistake, Or stupidity.
It's such a big mistake that it should disqualify that person from ever being in charge of anything again.
But people kind of file it away as this minor hiccup.
You know, this little bump in the road.
And since then, he's said some great stuff about children's genitals not being hacked off.
So I think we should appoint him leader of the free world again.
It's just insane.
I don't understand it.
And obviously, people in America who love Trump, you can't really reason with them.
But even people here...
Who are kind of vaguely aware of the situation, keep coming out with this line of, oh, it's the lesser of two evils.
And I can't bear this.
It's so mad.
I just think, first of all, if you are presented with two people who are pretty much the worst humanity has to offer, the last people in the world who should ever be up, for election to this kind of position.
You just say with one voice, we don't accept this.
This is completely absurd and we refuse to be presented with this kind of choice.
We demand A better calibre of person than this, and you don't participate in it.
The other thing about that idea is it's just an inevitable downward spiral.
Okay, so you've got people now saying, well, I would never ever vote for Kamala Harris or anyone like her.
And I know Trump's not perfect, but I'm going to vote for him because he's better than Kamala Harris.
Inevitably, all that's going to happen is next time around, they present you with somebody exactly like Kamala Harris, and then somebody else who's even worse.
And all those people adopt the same philosophy, and they're going to be voting for a Kamala Harris.
Because the only way is down.
And I don't understand the logic.
Of this.
It's only going to get worse.
Trump is going to take everybody to exactly the same place.
He's just a better written character who makes jokes and he's going to do it in a different way, with a different style.
So I was just waving at the man who's just knocked on the door and saying, Hello.
Yes, I see you've delivered the package.
Jolly good.
Alright, okay.
I thought you meant there was a man saying, do you know there's a puddle on your carpet out here?
No, no, no.
Actually, anyway, it wasn't on the carpet.
It was on the stone flags.
Oh, okay.
That's all right, then.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good dog.
Good dog.
Not bad dog.
Yeah, yeah.
I know.
It's...
Have you listened to any of Whitney Webb's podcasts on the subject of J.D. Vance?
No, I haven't listened to the Webb recently.
She's been very good on this one.
Do you remember that time when J.D. Vance brings out his book Explaining why it is that people voted Trump the first time round.
And it's about how that section of America blah blah blah blah blah.
So this was designed to position him as a kind of voice of the Trump base.
But J.D. Vance was essentially the creation of Peter Thiel, who is sometimes also sold to us as a kind of, he's a libertarian.
He's not one of them.
He's a libertarian.
And then you discover the connections with Palantir, which is essentially a supposedly produced by the free market.
It's this spine device designed to enable them to To do a sort of Gestapo number on all the potential resistance and find out who they are, what their values are, what they're looking at on the internet.
Yeah.
And that doesn't square to me with a presidency which is going to deliver, yay, freedom, we're going to stick it to the deep state and we're going to It's all a fantasy.
And you've only got to do a bit of digging to reveal the mechanism behind the curtain, the person pulling the levers.
And the person pulling the levers is the enemy.
They're not...
He was on...
They've all been doing Joe Rogan, haven't they?
And I just saw a clip of Vance on Rogan.
Everyone was getting terribly excited because he says how ill he was after taking the jabs.
But in the same breath, he says...
The way he relates it is to say, I've had COVID five times.
You know, and I wasn't as sick as when I took the jabs.
And you're thinking, why at this point would you be claiming to have had COVID five times to try and explain how bad the jabs are?
It's just, and again, even if that's what he genuinely thinks, he really thinks he's had an illness called COVID five times, you're not smart enough.
To be doing this.
You're not going to be helpful to anybody if you're still saying shit like that.
But the bar has been lowered so much that people hear stuff like that and think, oh, he's good.
That's the right kind of person to lead us.
Yeah, yeah.
I almost feel sorry for the Chinese in that the way they're being used is like, yeah, it was the evil Chinese lab leak.
These crazy experiments they're conducting and it crawled out of the lab and it created this worldwide problem and evil, evil Chinese, they've infiltrated everything.
And you're thinking, No, this is just another part of the PSYOP, designed to reify COVID as an actual virus.
I don't understand that, because even if you buy the idea that China made this and released it on purpose in an attempt to kill a load of people, forget about the panic that ensued, but this deadly disease that they were trying to make in a lab...
There's obviously a magnificent opportunity to laugh at China for trying to make a deadly virus and creating something totally indistinguishable from a common cult that, you know, only killed people in their 80s and 90s who already had cancer and heart disease.
I mean, what a bunch of idiots.
You know.
No, but wait.
Wait, Bob.
It was different because people lost their sense of smell.
Have you thought about that?
So that was why it was different.
Yeah, that's completely...
We can go off on a tangent there about what that was, which I think was something entirely different that, again, was a very cleverly placed element of the whole scheme.
Oh, tell me.
Well, I just...
Okay, let me...
Alright, so...
Do you want me to go into detail about what I think happened now?
Do whatever you want.
Your goal is to have everyone injected With this horrific poison that you've designed years and years in advance and thoroughly tested in secret and you know exactly how it's going to behave, who it's going to kill and at what rate.
And you know exactly what's going to be needed to convince all these people to do it.
So, you think we need to stage a pandemic, first of all.
We have to create the story that there's a deadly virus.
And We then need to maintain absolute control over how this narrative unfolds and where different things happen at different times.
We have to ensure that there is enough anecdotal evidence and there are enough people being presented with something real In some places in order for this to get off the ground and for the idea to carry and for the fear to take hold.
Now, the first obvious thing is what you do not do is make an actual virus and release it.
This is assuming viruses exist, which I don't really think they do, but that's assuming they do.
As soon as you do that, you've lost all control because you can't predict what an actual virus is going to do, how it's going to travel, how it might evolve and change, who it's going to affect in what places.
You also can't predict the response in terms of panic.
You know, if people genuinely see something that's making people sick and killing them, You're going to have chaos.
The last thing you want is chaos.
You want very carefully controlled fear.
So people are afraid because you're telling them to be afraid, not because they've just seen somebody collapse in Waitrose.
So it would be completely stupid to actually release a virus.
And you know you don't need to, because you already know that as soon as you've declared a pandemic, You just need these tests.
You tell everybody they have to test.
You tell everybody that the main symptom of this thing is you don't have any symptoms.
You have this testing system which just randomly generates all these cases of people who aren't actually ill.
Then it allows you to produce all these stats and graphs and say, look, this is a huge problem.
But if that's all you're doing, That carries with it a big risk, doesn't it?
Because there's no guarantee that people won't cotton on to the fact that I don't really think there's anything going on here.
We're not actually seeing anything.
So you need, I think, they needed something else, again, that they had absolute control over, that would actually Makes some people, and let me emphasize this, a very, very tiny number of people, genuinely sick in a strange way.
And some of those people would end up going to hospital and they'd be seen by doctors and the doctors would be saying, hang on, this is a bit weird.
We haven't really seen anything like this before.
Obviously, at the same time, most of the doctors are just seeing people with colds, old people with pneumonia, and they've been brainwashed into thinking this is COVID, and they record it as COVID. That's 99.9% of the people who think they had COVID either had nothing at all wrong with them, or they just had a bug, a cough, or a snotty nose.
However, there are people, I've met people, Probably six or seven over the last four years who say, I did get a really, really weird illness between the end of 2019 and the end of 2021.
These people describe having this thing where they did completely lose their sense of taste and smell.
They did feel really oddly drowsy, almost drunk.
And they got this, you know, afterwards they had this metallic taste on their tongue, which I later found out is a sign that you've been poisoned in some way.
Now, I think there are various ways that someone could be affected like that.
It could be something in the water, it could be something sprayed in the sky.
As far as I've found out, the most likely culprit is 5G radiation.
All of those things have been known for a long time to be symptoms of exposure to high levels of 5G frequency.
And that would be a very, very clever way of doing it because you've already put up all these 5G masks People are locked down, so there aren't lots of people traveling about.
But if you were to turn on those 5G masks in various locations for a day or two at different times, and anyone who happened to be near enough is going to get this really weird sickness, and some of them will go to hospital, and some of the doctors will then be saying, no, this is this really weird thing.
We haven't seen it before.
We don't know how to treat it.
Again, if you were affected by that and you were really elderly and vulnerable, it probably could kill you.
I think if you were younger, especially if you were kind of my age or younger, it's not really going to do very much.
You're just going to think, oh, that's weird.
I just feel a bit odd.
But I do think there was something that a very, very tiny number of people were affected by.
That affects you, and it fits.
That is a very clever way of doing it.
You don't risk having nothing at all.
You don't risk total illusion.
You put in something so that there are some people...
Oh, you know, I do...
Oh, my sister-in-law or my uncle did get this really strange illness.
It wasn't a cold, you know, and it wasn't...
And the other thing is, all these people that I have spoken to, they all say that it happened when they travelled away from home to a big city and that they did not pass it on to any of their friends or family.
And some of them tried because they're sort of awake and they're, you know, experimenting.
So they were kind of desperately trying to give it to their wife and children and things.
And so this was not a contagious thing.
This wasn't something transmissible.
Yeah, anyway, that's what I think actually happened, something like that.
That makes sense to me.
Have you noticed how they've never, ever...
Successfully explained, or even really tried to explain, other than in the vaguest terms, why we need these 5G towers.
You hear phrases like the internet of things and about, I don't know what, but imagine if you are the enemy.
And part of your evil master plan is to dot these towers all over the country, which produce this EMF, which can be turned on and off and can be amplified according to whether you want to poison the locals or not.
And you'd be thinking, we've got a problem here.
The people aren't going to wear it.
They're going to ask questions like, why is this tower going up on the hill near me?
What's the point of it?
But they seem to have found the solution to this problem by going ahead and doing it anyway.
Yes, but they've...
Everybody seems to get consulted or anything.
Everyone is just captured by this ridiculous idea of progress and convenience.
Everybody.
Even some people who claim to be awake are still kind of...
They don't quite understand that...
Everything that's sold to us as progress is actually dragging us down and causing us harm.
And it's very clever because they sort of did 3G, 4G, and then 5G, as if 5G is just a slight improvement.
You know, it's just going to be a bit quicker.
You're just going to have signal in more places.
But 5G is actually an entirely different...
It shouldn't really be called anything G. It's an entirely different system.
It's an entirely different type of frequency and the way it works is entirely different.
And again, the same as everything else, it's, oh yeah, we've tested it and it's safe.
And they'll kind of, if you dig into it, you can see that they will admit, obviously there are dangerous levels, but we don't need it to be at those dangerous levels.
We've worked out the safe level and that's the level it will be transmitted at.
Yeah, again, I'm very lucky here because I'm in the middle of nowhere in this valley.
I can't pick up 5G ever, so that's good.
That's great.
Yeah.
I don't think people realise, well obviously they don't, because you only have to travel on a tube or walk anywhere to see, as we know, everyone is glued to their phone.
And I had this conversation with this AA man the other day.
And he was trying to type out my receipt or whatever on his phone.
And he said, oh, I bloody hate these phones.
And I said...
Yeah, I do too.
I hate the bastards.
I try not to use my phone as much as I possibly can because they turn you into a transmitter.
And he said, yeah.
He said, I did this experiment.
He said, I used to get these terrible headaches and sometimes I used to sleep on my phone because the alarm would wake me up and then I'd have a bed sometimes.
And he said, and then I stopped doing this.
And I put it on the other side of the room at night and the headaches went.
And I say, yeah, yeah, exactly.
But most people don't seem to understand.
It's like these AirPods.
They don't realise the damage that AirPods are doing.
They're terrible because they are actually transmitting through your brain.
They're communicating with one another via your brain.
That's really bad stuff.
And our bodies are not designed to absorb any of this stuff.
It's completely unnatural.
And it only began about 100 years ago, you know.
It really started, you know, when they shoved up all the masks in the First World War, which I think is quite possibly linked to the whole Spanish flu idea.
Maybe.
But there could be a link there.
Right.
With all the soldiers coming back with these weird illnesses.
Although I think there's also a link with jabs at that time, obviously.
So I don't know.
But basically, if you think of how long we've been around...
You know, even if it's only biblical timeline, that's still a very tiny, tiny portion of our existence when we've suddenly been bombarding our bodies with these weird frequencies.
And the thing is, they're completely invisible.
You don't actually feel them, you can't smell them, you can't taste them, but you're constantly absorbing them.
We...
You know, my...
My daughter Poppy who has epilepsy or she had epilepsy.
It was really bad for years and none of the pharmaceutical products helped at all obviously.
A couple of years ago we decided to start doing various things.
To get her off her meds and try and do other things that we thought might help to reduce her seizures.
So we very slowly reduced the dose of her meds while giving her CBD oil and she was having homeopathy.
Um, we changed her diet slightly and, um, we did things like red, red light exposure, which is supposed to be good.
Um, one of the big things we did was just because she would always have her seizures at night.
They were related to sleep.
They would, she would wake up and in the process of waking up, it would trigger a seizure.
Um, so one of the first things we did was just switch off the Wi-Fi you know last thing at night Yeah.
So there's nothing on, you know, and we switch everything, all the phones and everything is off while people are sleeping in the house.
And as soon as we did that, she stopped having seizures.
And she's not had one now for over two years.
I mean, her epilepsy is essentially cured.
Which is amazing.
But a huge element of what was making I have these fits was clearly the Wi-Fi.
You've made me think.
I keep meaning to do this.
I get such resistance from my household because I'm just thinking when I try telling my wife or children about things like AirPods, guess what their reaction is?
Yeah, you're a nutcase.
You're a crazy conspiracy theorist.
I'm a nutcase.
They wouldn't give everyone this technology because it's dangerous.
That's exactly it.
They think that if this stuff was really dangerous, they wouldn't be allowed to sell it.
Yeah.
It's been tested.
It's safe and effective.
They just poisoned two thirds of humanity.
I don't know what more evidence these people need.
It's so frustrating.
I do appreciate that it's inconvenient.
The way we live now forces us to have phones and it forces you to be on social media.
I couldn't do what I do if I didn't use the internet.
And obviously one of the best things is to get your whole house wired so there's no Wi-Fi at all.
That's a pretty big job and I think you have to get it done by a professional company or it just won't work.
But that would be something I'm looking into at the moment about getting that done.
That would be good.
It's dangerous.
It's really bad for us, this stuff.
The other thing that I find you cannot escape, I've been trying to find a sanctuary from this and I've been all over the country.
There are so many wind turbines now and they can transmit their low frequency noise over such long distances that there's nowhere in the country which is not covered by these bastards.
I even went to the Cilly Isles Where there were no...
They had a go.
They had a go at putting a wind turbine up there.
And what they found was that it got blown down in the winter when they have quite bad storms.
Yeah, they don't really cope with wind.
They don't like the wind.
I think the sillies are something like 20 or 30 miles offshore.
I mean, Cornwall is full of wind turbines.
But I can hear the Cornish wind turbines from the City Isles.
So that indicates to me that there's nowhere, anywhere in the country, which is less than 30 miles away from a wind turbine.
I mean, probably, you know, you've got 20 miles of escape max.
The low frequency noise has been shown to, it disturbs animals, it causes sleep problems, it causes heart arrhythmia, and so on.
If you go down, properly down the rabbit hole, you realise that something extraordinary was going on in the late 19th century, where they had More or less free energy.
They had electricity from some sort of mystery source.
And this was then covered up.
And you had the battle between Tesla and Edison.
That's right.
Edison was a serious wrongman who managed to corner the market, did terrible things like electrocuting that elephant.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I suppose what I'm saying is that out there is the technology for free electricity, water-powered cars.
Whenever an inventor comes up with this stuff and shows it to work, he gets assassinated or he gets the fright that's put on him so much that he either joins the establishment or just keeps Stumpf the rest of his life.
Yeah.
There was no need for solar energy, for wind turbines.
So then you ask yourself, why are these things really there?
And I suspect the real purpose of wind turbines is the same purpose as 5G. It's another part of the poisoning effect designed to weaken everybody and make them sick.
Yes.
And as an added bonus, they are contributing to the whole delusion, the aesthetic delusion, the convincing people that ugliness is beauty.
You know, that...
So many people say, I think they look quite impressive on the landscape.
I like seeing them.
They're absolutely hideous.
Hideous affronts to nature and beauty.
But people have been convinced to appreciate this stuff.
And there are analogues for what you've just described in the cultural realm as well.
So, for example...
The modernist movement in composition, in the way classical music moves on to kind of Schoenberg and Stravinsky and the Rite of Spring, the way that novels were deconstructed by James Joyce and everyone goes,
oh, isn't it great, you know, stream of consciousness and all this, and the way poetry became all sort of Disjointed and messed up, and the way modernist painters came in, funded by the CIA,
all designed to make people go, yeah, my cosy values where I quite like looking at Vermeer and admiring the craft, yeah, but that's kind of lazy of me, and what I should really be yearning for is this difficult stuff which I don't understand and don't quite like, but I can talk myself into liking it because that's the thing to do.
Yeah, I was talking about this with Tanya when we were in Manchester, you know, for the book signing the weekend.
And Manchester is a really interesting case where you have these really beautiful buildings all over the place.
And in every single instance, either right next to it or opposite, the beautiful building is the most hideous place Concrete block you've ever seen.
That's just sharp angles and gray and glass.
Now, this is obviously by design, but I was thinking it's very interesting.
And I remember being taught this when you're when you're learning any kind of creative Design in any of those fields, you are taught that contrast is really interesting and clever.
Wherever you can create contrast, that's really smart.
It makes you really innovative and edgy.
And these architects are stupid enough...
That they believe this stuff so they think well to be a really interesting architect what you have to do is find a city that has these beautiful old buildings that were kind of built in an almost as an almost spiritual act of devotion over A hundred years and stick up a hideous angular monstrosity right next to it,
you know, within the space of six months.
And it creates this wonderful contrast and it's really interesting for people to look at.
Rather than, no, what people want is harmony.
You know, of course they don't actually, it's jarring, it's horribly jarring to experience this stuff.
Yes, and they're very good at co-opting humanity, co-opting intellects, co-opting people's desire to have a career.
So the job of critics, which I never realised in my youth, is to mediate this process, to explain why it's a good thing.
Because if you didn't have critics explaining why Bauhaus was a good thing and why brutalism, as concrete architecture is called, and to explain why the South Bank complex is actually strangely kind of magnificent.
If you didn't have the critics explaining this stuff, People would be going, well, what the fuck?
That's horrible.
Yeah, I know.
The critics are there to tell you, no, no, this is really good shit you're having here.
And you should appreciate it.
You get it with everything.
It's an efficiency within you.
They read something in a newspaper or magazine, or they listen to somebody on television.
And they think, oh, my instincts, my natural instincts must be off.
Because I thought that was hideous.
But now here's a clever person telling me it's actually wonderful and really clever.
And so I must be too dumb to understand.
Yeah, it's...
Did you see, just going back to our favourite newspaper...
Oh, yeah.
The Telegraph magazine ran a piece...
Run a cover story saying something like, is it time we stopped riding horses?
Yes, I did see that.
They've got the newspaper of the Shires.
And they are so shameless that they can actually run an article in the glossy magazine of the newspaper, which probably represents more writers than any other newspaper.
Yeah.
And it asks this obscene, anti-God question.
because I don't think there's any question that God designed horses in order that we can work with horses and enjoy them and have this sort of wonderful, symbiotic in the same way we have with cats and dogs these are part of the genius of the wondrousness of God's creation, that he gave us these animal companions to help us in our tasks and then you've got this satanic
I think horses understand us on a spiritual level better than any other, even dogs I think even better than dogs do because again, coming back to my daughter another thing she's done since she was two is riding for the disabled every week
And it's helped her, I'd say, more than anything, really, physically and mentally and spiritually, because these ponies and horses...
Just have this understanding, particularly with children, you know, with additional needs who are vulnerable.
They behave completely differently around them and they just seem to know.
And they can tell when she's having an off day, you know, she doesn't want to do very much.
They can tell when she's up for a trot and, you know, going a bit quicker and everything.
It's incredible.
Yeah.
So, yeah, they are really important sacred animals.
Of course, the other thing about it is once they've got most people driving electric cars and they shut off the electric or turn the cars off because they want to lock us down and fuel, diesel and petrol is either too expensive or there just isn't any in the country...
Everyone's going to need to ride horses again.
So that's another reason why they're saying, is it about time we stop riding horses?
You know?
They're great.
You've got to love them.
These people, they're just so good at what they do.
Yeah, of course they're good at what they do.
It's depressing.
But do you know, can you drive a cart?
Can you operate a horse and cart?
Or have you not?
No.
You ever done that?
There's a skill.
That would be something to learn.
Yeah, there's a skill.
Yeah.
My mum can do it.
So I'm going to be relying on my mother if the shit really hits the fan.
Mum!
Yeah.
Give me a lift.
Alright, I'll just be a couple of hours.
Ma'am, can you take me to James' party on Saturday?
We'll have to leave on Monday.
Yeah.
The party's going to be good.
I worry, I feel, as I said in my advert for it, I do feel a bit sorry for the people who are going to not be able to get tickets because, like, well...
I don't think I'm going to record the event, just because it's money.
Well, I just thought...
What's in it for...
How do I monetise it?
What's the...
Is that bad for me?
What about all your people who can't get there?
I mean...
They should have got tickets.
Yeah, I mean...
There'll be other Dick podcasts, although whether there'll be other performances of the Unregistered Chickens.
Oh right, I see, yeah.
It's a bit secret, isn't it, what Dick's going to be doing?
Well, Unregistered Chickens are going to be playing.
Yeah.
I know that.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Which is quite a coup.
I mean, you know, it's like getting, I don't know, the Foo Fighters headlining, but without the Vax promotion.
It's going to be that.
Yeah, or Taylor Swift without the Venus.
Oh, no.
Taylor Swift.
That's another...
How can they've done that?
They've persuaded us...
Not me, obviously, or you.
But they've persuaded a large chunk of the vulnerable populace that this man dressed as a woman who does these really, really horrible songs that are just kind of really lame.
I mean, I was a music critic for years.
I have never, ever seen any marriage in anything.
That Taylor Swift has done.
I like Peter Harvey, yes.
I think rid of me is a bit horrible but she's done some good stuff I mean her name was any of the great there's no merit in Taylor Swift and yet she is the biggest thing He is the biggest thing in the world.
But it's everywhere.
Everywhere you look.
So this ubiquity...
Forces the idea that somebody must be good.
They can't possibly not be the most talented musician ever because their face is everywhere you look.
I don't know about the Beyonce people.
Or their arse.
Or their arse.
But I don't...
Because people have started saying about Beyonce and I'm not completely sold on that one.
Oh, what?
Well, that she's a he as well.
That Beyonce's a chap.
Oh, I don't know...
Ah.
Oh, no, have you seen the picture of her as a boy?
As a boy?
Have you seen the picture of her as a boy?
No.
No.
Okay.
Look, I'm agnostic on what...
What the birth sex of Beyoncé was, but have you seen the really, really disturbing footage of Adele getting her Grammy for her first, for 25, was it called?
The 25 album, was it?
What happens in that?
Okay, so she accepts the award.
I think she might even break it, but she accepts the award and she burbles something about Beyoncé.
It's a kind of...
about how amazing Beyoncé is and...
And what's disturbing about it?
You think, well, A, what's so clever about Beyoncé?
Do you know any Beyoncé songs?
Have you ever cared about anything she's ever done?
I've never cared about it, but I'm aware of some of her songs, yeah.
Are you?
I'm not.
Well, the one that springs to mind is, you know, she had a hit single that's called If I Were a Boy.
Um, written to the, to the same, and it's written to the exact same chord pattern as, um, What If God Was One Of Us, you know, that, that song.
It's quite interesting.
Okay, well, you know, the, the, the, just broadly speaking, The story is that on Beyoncé that she's one of the Mothers of Darkness.
Okay.
She has total control over the pop industry.
I suppose if she's a mother of darkness, that undermines the case that she's a bloke.
I just don't...
Yeah, when you look at her physicality, she does look...
She does have the kind of voluptuous curves and thighs and arse.
I'm just not sure a bloke, even with a lot of surgery and hormone treatment, could look like that, let alone sing like that.
That's why I'm slightly sceptical of the...
Beyonce idea.
It's more likely Jay-Z is a woman.
You'll be telling me next that Margot Robbie hasn't really had a baby at the Cedars-Sinai Hospital where they all have their babies.
Yeah, yeah.
You'll be telling me that's fake, won't you?
I didn't even know she'd had a baby.
Has she had a baby?
That I didn't know.
Apparently.
I think that with Beyoncé, I get the impression that she strikes absolute terror into everyone because she demands her blood sacrifices and stuff.
This is the problem, isn't it?
About waking up.
The more you wake up, the more you realise that everything Is designed to immiserate and destroy you.
Everything.
You know, the music scene, the 5G, the wind turbines, the weather.
So have you been following the Valencia floods thing?
Yes.
Yeah.
But have you seen what's been going on in Mexico as well?
So they had, around the same time last year, they had this huge hurricane in Acapulco.
And then, almost exactly a year later, the same thing happened.
It was at Level 3, I think.
The other one was at Level 5, and then they had a Level 3 hurricane, but it went out to sea, and then 24 hours it came back again.
It's got no coverage in the mainstream media, and it wasn't forecast, and no one was prepared.
They didn't know it was coming.
These...
Weather, I think we're going to see a lot more of this, basically.
They're getting a lot more brazen with their weather attacks, you know.
Yes.
They are.
And what are the reasons...
Yeah, go on.
Carol.
Oh, are you familiar with...
I was going to say, what are the reasons they can get away with it?
Say your thing.
Say your thing.
I'll tell you my thing afterwards.
Okay.
Are you familiar with Jeff Berwick?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I listen to his videos sometimes.
Because he's obviously in Mexico.
But he's really onto this weather stuff now.
It's his kind of main topic he's talking about.
And he's saying this is the thing a lot of people miss.
I must get him on the pod now.
He's great, yeah.
So it's good that he's talking about it.
I'll tell you what's interesting to me, as somebody who's been fighting in the climate wars for a very long time, And it's interesting.
In fact, I'm writing a sub-stack about this at the moment called something like Why I No Longer Talk to Climate Skeptics.
And these are good people.
They were my comrades in arms.
And they're often...
Retired university professors, because if they were still in post, they'd be sacked.
Yeah.
You know, they're sort of emeritus professors instead.
Or they're kind of maverick journalists who've accepted the loss of their career in return to telling the truth about what's really going on with, you know, the climate changes, man-made climate changes, bollocks.
I was in agreement with them on all this.
But I've realised that most of them will not address the subject of man-made weather manipulation.
Yeah.
Because it's an article of faith for them that climate is a natural process.
And look at the Minoan warming period and the Roman warming period and the medieval warming period.
Extreme weather events have happened all the time.
Look at the great floods that did this much damage in the 19th century or whatever and so on.
And it's a solid position but it's so entrenched that they haven't Open their minds to the possibility that a lot of the freak weather events we've been encouraged to look at by the newspapers as evidence of man-made global warming etc of climate chaos.
These events actually have been engineered by the same people who Who invented the climate scam in the first place.
And I think that very little of the weather we now experience is natural.
I think that ship sailed long ago.
And Valencia, for example, you've got this extraordinary flooding.
Okay, so it was exacerbated by the removal of various dams for spurious environmental reasons.
And yes, There was similar flooding in 1957 when there was a similar freak weather event, and it seems to be cyclical.
But at the same time, you look at the...
The 50s is when they started experimenting with this shit, James.
Exactly.
So the Lynmouth...
Down here, that happened in the 50s.
They were trying it all...
Lynmouth?
Yeah.
Linmouth was in 1952.
That's right.
And they admitted that this was an RAF cloud seeding experiment.
I think it's very likely that in 1957 they tried something similar in Valencia, so you're right.
But the professional climate sceptics Don't want to go there because they think that this will render them, reduce their credibility in the eyes of their audience.
We're not conspiracy theorists, we just look at the science and the facts and so on.
But of course, this...
This integrity, this determination not to engage in areas that are speculative, that they can't prove, renders them vulnerable, because it means they're not addressing chemtrails.
They're not addressing NEXRAD, which are these Which I think is how they generate this extreme weather.
There are next-rad facilities or next-generation radar.
They say it's for detection purposes.
But it can also generate storms.
Probably it generated the storm that sank that boat along to Mike Lynch.
And then you get into the territory of the tsunami.
The New Year's tsunami, which was predicted on...
People were taking financial positions in advance of the tsunami, which indicates that people knew.
And then you've got earthquakes in places like Japan and Turkey, which coincide with periods where the Japanese government or the Turkish government are not playing ball with the...
It's a terror weapon.
Whether it's a terror weapon.
Yeah, again, how does nature know the most convenient times and places to cause these problems?
This is the thing.
I accept that it's probably true to say...
Yes, man-made climate change is utter bollocks.
This stuff is not happening because of the way we live and because of fossil fuels and all of that, and carbon dioxide.
That's rubbish, and that is a story being presented to us so that we accept...
A solution that destroys us all and takes all our freedom away and everything else.
However, the idea that there are natural cycles of weather and the sun is doing different things every few thousand years or whatever, I think there's truth in that.
Some of this stuff is part of a natural cycle.
But I think...
That is understood by the people who can manipulate the weather and they are using that as an opportunity to trigger these events.
You know, the Sun is not interested in where there's a lithium mine.
But it just so happens that most of the moment these things are happening where there are massive deposits of lithium, which is now one of the most valuable commodities or resources in the world.
Equally, remarkably, the rain clouds knew that Spain had voted against sending more money to Israel.
And the rain clouds didn't like that, Bob.
The rain clouds were incensed because rain clouds are very pro-Netanyahu.
So they decided, we'll teach those Spaniards a lesson.
We're going to We're going to flood Valencia.
And see how they like that?
Yeah.
Well, it's very similar to the way that viruses didn't like black people.
Remember that?
Viruses target black people disproportionately.
And also, know when you're eating a sandwich, so they leave you alone.
It's the same kind of...
Racist, sandwichist viruses.
Yeah.
When you know, when you know you know...
But it's making people make that leap, which sort of brings us full circle.
It's quite interesting, very interesting in fact.
I was struck by this.
When you were describing how you spoke to your publishers, and when they asked you who Jacinda Ardern was, You didn't go, oh, she's basically this bloke who pretends to be a woman who was appointed by the WEF to run down New Zealand because it was one of the safe havens and they needed it destroyed.
What you let them do was do their own research.
Yeah, exactly.
Which is the only way.
Yeah.
But, you know, obviously...
I mean, no one listening to this podcast is going to be converted.
A lot of people...
They find that funny.
You know, they didn't know who she was, but they were laughing at that.
And I've included the sketch.
You can't see it very well.
There's the sketch where I was experimenting with the shape of her ball bag there next to it.
Anyway...
What page are we talking?
200.
Thank you.
hilarious and I don't even know who she is.
And yes, so you just say, well, go and look her up.
And then obviously what happens is when they look her up, they not only are shocked by what she did, but...
They suddenly totally understand why I drew this in the way that I did.
I'll tell you another story as well.
I'll just tell you this story because I think this is really great.
I gave the book to one of my friends who has a son who, I think he's eight, and obviously, you know, Some of these pictures are a bit graphic, so some people may not want their children looking through it, but this boy is pretty aware of what's going on in the world and everything, and he's been looking at it non-stop, apparently.
He had a friend to play who is one of these eight-year-olds now who has a smartphone for some reason and was just constantly on his phone the whole time.
So this other boy went and got my book and he just held this one up and he just said, this is you.
And the boy immediately, he put down his phone, he didn't pick it up for the rest of the day, and just started running around playing.
Because he was so shocked at the realisation that that's what he was doing.
The power of the cartoonist, Bob.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think...
Yeah, you can read parts that I can't.
I think that there is real power in having it all together as well.
That was a really important thing to me, to present it all as one package.
Because most people...
I've seen at least one of my cartoons somewhere.
And I've done a few that have really sort of broken through into the mainstream, like the King Charles one.
I think almost everyone in the world saw that at the time.
But they're so scattered and they're so mixed up with all the other memes and posts and videos that people see on the internet that lots and lots of people don't necessarily understand that All of these cartoons have come from one place, and they're all part of the same thought process, and they tell a story when you put them together.
So that's a really important thing about doing the book.
And I deliberately didn't put anything else in there.
There's a written section at the start, which is definitely worth reading, thanks to Tanya, who helped me With that bit.
But then it's just the cartoons.
There's no additional stuff.
I don't have newspaper clippings.
I'm not kind of reminding people about propaganda or here's what was happening then because I don't want to distract them.
I just want them to absorb the cartoons because they're powerful.
But...
I'm not just saying this because I love you, but it really is a masterpiece and many congratulations and thank you for bringing it out.
If people want to buy a copy, where can they get it?
Yeah, so you can order a copy if you go to bobmoran.newsprints.co.uk You can get to that via my website Which is bobmoran.co.uk.
If you look at my social media, I've got the links on there everywhere.
You can order an ordinary copy or a signed copy, but if you come to a book signing, Then I will sign your copy or you can buy a copy and I'll sign it for the normal price.
Because if people have come to me, then I don't, you know, I'm not charging extra.
When people order a signed copy online, I have to get them shipped to my house, I have to sign them all, I have to package them, I have to go to the post office.
So it's a, they're more expensive because to be honest, I don't want to sell too many that way because I don't have time to do it.
And the book signings are really...
Where can people find...
I was going to say, where can they find your book signings advertised?
Again, on social media and on my website, I've got them listed.
So, on the 14th of November, I'm going to be in Newcastle at the...
Oh, what's it called?
The Old George pub in Newcastle.
And then...
I don't know it off by heart.
I don't know the dates.
I'm going to be in...
Oh, Ludlow.
So Ludlow is the 29th.
And then I'm going to be at your thing on the 30th.
That's right, isn't it?
Yeah.
And then I'm doing another one in London.
London on the 13th of December.
Um...
And I'm going to try and get up to Scotland.
And when are you doing the Orkneys?
Yeah, well, maybe not the Orkneys.
I might try and go to Glasgow, but that might be after Christmas now.
Excellent.
Yeah.
All right.
Thank you, Bob.
This won't be your last appearance on The Delling Pod because we love you so.
Thank you very much for everything you do.
Well, obviously, unless I discover that you really are 33, Bob, and the Illuminati.
You could be...
We didn't talk about this.
We'll talk about this another time.
You could be an Orsini.
Oh, yeah.
Orsini's.
Yeah, yeah.
You could be the black Pope or the grey Pope.
It's the grey one.
Anyway.
I wanted to watch out for.
Ah, okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
We'll do an Orsini.
We'll do another one.
We'll do another one soon.
Thank you, everyone.
Thank you, everyone, for watching this.
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