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Richard Vobes

Richard Vobes (aka The Bald Explorer), joins James on the Delingpod to compare notes on a variety of subjects. https://richardvobes.com↓ ↓ ↓Here is the link for this week’s product https://nutrahealth365.com/product/libido-boost/ ↓ ↓ ↓ Buy James a Coffee at:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/jamesdelingpole The official website of James Delingpole:https://jamesdelingpole.co.uk x

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	Welcome to the Delling Pod with me, James Delling Poe.
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	Enjoy. Welcome to the Delling Pod, Richard Vobes, the Vobester, if I may.
	You may. You can call me whenever you like.
	Do you know what? I was walking the dog before this, and I thought, wouldn't it be amusing if I could find a cravat and wear it, and both of us would be wearing cravats.
	Me, obviously, in homage to you.
	But I haven't got any cravats in any way.
	I hadn't got time to...
	I'm very last minute. But otherwise, so sorry about the loss of that visual gag.
	That's all right. I'm just making sure my cravat is proudly prominent.
	I think you're one of the very few cravat wearers left in the world.
	When did you decide on that particular...
	Well, my previous YouTube channel or where I was doing was all about England.
	I was known as the Bald Explorer and I was going around landscape heritage and nature and I was predominantly interested in England and what had happened to it and where it had gone and the uglification of all the architecture and everything else.
	And I thought, I need to sort of establish what I mean by England.
	For me, everybody has a different opinion of what being an Englishman is, if they're English, and presumably overseas as well, they'll have an opinion of what an Englishman is.
	And for me, I don't know what it was.
	I was in a vintage shop.
	I saw a cravat. My dad used to wear a cravat and a waistcoat.
	And so I thought, do you know what?
	I suppose that's a maternal instinct or paternal.
	And I went with it, and it's, you know, you've got to get noticed on YouTube as well, be a bit iconic, and it stuck.
	Yeah, it's a bold move.
	I think you carry it off.
	I once tried it.
	This is a terrible confession.
	I once tried it in, I think, my first year at university.
	Because I wanted to strike a pose.
	You know, you turn up at Universal and you're trying to kind of...
	You're trying to become the person you want to be.
	And nobody knows who you are.
	And so you can sort of reinvent yourself.
	And it was a bad move.
	I just look back at myself and I think, you complete twat.
	And please don't think I'm calling you a twat.
	I don't care.
	But I was a twat.
	You know, 20...
	No, 19-year-olds should not be dressing in cravats, even if they're surrounded by kind of dreaming spires and et cetera, et cetera.
	It's just... It doesn't work.
	Anyway... In some ways...
	Your journey's been a bit like mine, hasn't it?
	You were a kind of middle-class normie who got mugged by...
	I don't know whether a rabbit hole can mug you, but you know what I mean?
	Suddenly discover that the world is not what you thought it was.
	Is that a fair summary? Yes, I think the ground just suddenly crumbled beneath my feet and I found myself falling.
	It crumbled slowly because I started to see things but hadn't put them together as being in a rabbit hole.
	It was just, hang on, that doesn't seem right, that doesn't seem...
	Why is everyone queuing to get something jabbed into them?
	That sort of thing. Yeah.
	Which didn't make any sense to me.
	And then as I started to talk, my viewers helped me, pulled me down.
	That's nice of your viewers.
	It's one of the joys of this thing that we do, isn't it?
	The interaction.
	Well, I mean, we'd be nothing without our viewers and listeners.
	Of course. And they're great, mostly.
	Yes. Yeah. So, yes.
	Apart from the ones who suddenly...
	It's a bit like... I was reading through the comments on something the other day, and somebody said, yeah, I hate Dellingpole, he's a shit.
	And his reason for thinking this was because I'd...
	I'd bumped him off my Telegram channel because he'd been too annoying on the subject of Flat Earth.
	He'd been just boring on about this, you know, against Flat Earth.
	I'm generally pro-Flat Earth now.
	I used to be the other way around. And because I'd bumped him off, it was evidence that I was a really vile, vile person.
	But mostly, I think we got a good deal from Av.
	I'll follow us. Well, we wouldn't be...
	I mean, I certainly wouldn't be where I am without the viewers, and I'm an old entertainer.
	So, you know, without an audience, you're nothing, are you?
	He's the lonely man on the stage going...
	Before you...
	Before you became the Bald Explorer, what was your life?
	What did you do? I suppose, ever since I can remember, I've wanted to either be a film director or an actor.
	That was the two things that I wanted to be.
	And I went to a 1970s comprehensive school.
	And they didn't understand what that meant.
	And so they wanted me to go and get a job at 15, which is what I did.
	But it never left me.
	But in between all of that, I went to mime school.
	Did you? Go on, yes.
	Thank you. I went to mime school, all that kind of, you know.
	Yeah. And juggling, unicycling, fire eating, lying on a bed of nails.
	Can you do a bit of juggling as well?
	I'll have to mime the juggling.
	And the fire eating, please.
	Fire blowing and all of that, walking on the broken glass.
	Anyway, so I did that for a hell of a long time and a load of old extra work on TV series like The Bill.
	I was the white shirt behind frosted glass at the end of the corridor.
	You may have seen me many times.
	Oh, blimey! Yeah, that little flash.
	I knew I'd seen, yeah. That was me.
	It could have been one of my many other friends.
	But it paid the bills, you know, it was something to do.
	I've never really worked, which is, you know, a bad admission.
	I've never really worked. I mean, I've done some shit jobs when I was very younger, you know, my sort of early teens.
	But once I got into my early 20s, I've very much been self-employed and I've tried to do things that I enjoy or might lead somewhere.
	So it is work, obviously it's work because people are paying you, but when I see people doing the commute, I just think, I don't know how people do that.
	Yes. You had not known that death had undone so many.
	Like you, I feel very, very grateful when I look at people with real jobs.
	And it's not just the commute and stuff like that, which is obviously horrible.
	It's they've had to pay...
	Essentially selling their souls to the beast system.
	They had to buy into lots of things that you and I are lucky enough not to have to buy in.
	Because it doesn't matter. We can just say, fuck off.
	I'm not having a sustainability policy on the Delling pod.
	I'm not going to have diversity, inclusion.
	It's just all these things that people with real jobs have to accept because that's the way the world is.
	Yes, I'm certainly not denigrating anybody who, you know, who may be watching thinking, oh, it's all right for some, isn't it?
	You know, it just, I did, I worked when I left school for two years in a printing firm.
	And then I left that when some guys came in and said that they were setting up a sound studio and video studio.
	And I sort of sweet talked them to having me on board.
	But when I crashed three cars, they said, we'll have to let you go.
	And then I was unemployed.
	And from then on, I sort of slipped into the world of much more into the world of theatre land.
	And we're all in that now, aren't we?
	Big time. Yeah.
	And I started to realise that you could actually, you know, I was on the streets doing juggling and unicycling busking.
	And so I could earn enough to make a meal, enough money to make a meal.
	But I enjoyed it. You know, people would see me juggling or miming or pratting about, whatever it was, throw some money at me, which was better than bricks, and I would manage to sort of survive.
	And then I went to mime school, and then I met other people, and you make contacts, and then I got an agent who was getting me around corporate entertainment venues and parties and things.
	And And then I did a bit of extra work because I wanted to get into television and be this actor, film director.
	And it just sort of went in a way that was never the direction I actually wanted to it, but it was within the industry.
	As long as I'm in the industry, I always thought as an extra, somebody would go, you, Voges, you're the one I want for the leading part.
	And of course that doesn't happen. But you're naive when you're young and you're hungry and you're desperate to get on.
	Did you meet David Bowie at Mime School?
	No. Well, there's an anecdote lost, isn't there?
	I'm sorry about that. Yeah, no, he was great.
	Great fun, lovely bloke, strange coloured eyes, and, you know, when I lost my eye, I should have had a brown eye and a blue eye or whatever it is.
	Where are you on? Do you think he's alive or not?
	Um, to be honest, I haven't really, I mean, I ventured down that a little bit, you know, all these people who are they alive?
	Are they dead? Where's Kate?
	Where is she? Is she still here?
	To be honest, I don't overly worry about all that nonsense, because so many other things to think about.
	Well, I agree one shouldn't worry about it, but that's not the requirement, is it?
	It's just kind of interesting.
	You've just admitted that you never wanted to get a proper job.
	You earn your living pissing about, basically, and that's what you've done all your life.
	They're your words. You can't suddenly come all high-minded over me and say, but of course...
	We shouldn't be thinking about whether David Bow is alive or dead or not and where is Kate and stuff.
	This is meat and drink.
	This is what we do.
	And it's fun because it's interesting.
	Well, I mean, it is interesting.
	Certainly with the royals, you know, are they around?
	Are they lizards? Are they this?
	Are they that? You know, there's all of that.
	Well, what do you reckon? I think Kate's probably been bumped off.
	Yes. By?
	By... Well, the rumours that I hear is that she discovered stuff that she shouldn't have discovered and that, you know, a Lady Diana thing happened to her.
	They all do. Well, this is it.
	Who would want to be a royal?
	It's like that fairy story, be bold but not too bold, or you're...
	Blood will run cold or something like that.
	It's the woman, isn't it, who marries this chap and ends up in his castle and there are all these signs on these rooms that she can't go and visit.
	And then, of course, she looks in the room and I think that these fairy stories are just a guide to the secret world.
	A kind of revelation of the method.
	Far more truer than supposed real life.
	Well, yeah. So I was throwing out a few flies there to see whether you'd catch them.
	And I'm already getting the impression that you...
	Hold on. Thanks.
	That's right. That was me miming.
	Fantastic. Look at that.
	I always believe it.
	You've got to fight there.
	You've got to fight. Come on. Pull on the fly.
	Right. What I was going to say was...
	What was I going to say?
	I have no idea. Oh, it sounds like you are pretty in deep, as I am.
	I mean, I don't think there's anywhere I won't go.
	I don't think I've encountered any so-called conspiracy theories that I've absolutely flat-out rejected as just too silly.
	I suppose with me, when I started doing this, somebody said to me, you're going to hear some all sorts of weird and wonderful things, and what you need is an open mind.
	And in the past, I would have probably have had quite a closed mind.
	But I said, right, okay, I'm going to have an open mind.
	And so then I started, you know, people talking about time travel and time all collapsed all at the same time.
	And I'd had had somebody on the show who was channeling an anarchist or whoever it was.
	And, you know, they're sitting there and I'm saying, OK, I'm just going to have an open mind.
	I'm not going to say whether this is barking mad or not, because I don't normally encounter people sitting there channeling aliens.
	But in this journey, you start to realise the world is upside down, everything you've been told is a lie, and actually there are far more things truer in fiction than in the ridiculous real life.
	So I've had to have this open mind, and strangely, it's made a lot of sense.
	Yeah. I bet you've lost a lot of friends there.
	Um, certainly the viewers who are following me as the bald explorer who are into landscape heritage and nature who are saying, don't talk about global warming, Richard.
	I mean, as long as 2005, when I had a little podcast, an audio podcast, remember the old iPods?
	I used to do a show every day.
	And when global warming was in the headlines, and I was kind...
	Global warming? There's no such thing.
	David Bellamy knows what he's talking about.
	I grew up with him. I know he knows.
	And if Magnus Pyke was around, I'm sure he'd prove it.
	But they wouldn't have it.
	And every now and again, you know, I would mention something and they would say, no, no, you can't talk about that, Richard, because...
	And I've had people sort of go, absolutely agree with me, appear on the show, take me on walks, show me some wonderful stuff, and then heard me say, oh, you don't believe in global warming?
	I'm off. Bye. And disown me.
	Yes. And then, of course, with the COVID nonsense and all of that, you know, that was, well, it started with Brexit, for one thing.
	That was a big thing. It was like the English Civil War.
	And then COVID, of course, was the big thing that made your family look at you as if you were some sciotic idiot.
	Yeah. I was thinking about...
	It's quite upsetting, isn't it, when people...
	Who have been your fans up to a particular point just suddenly reject you because they find you guilty of wrong think on one of their sacred cows.
	I mean, if the role's reversed, I can't see myself.
	You know, I'm trying to imagine what somebody else would have to do to make me go, well, I liked you up to this point, but no, you're dead to me now.
	I mean, I suppose if they told me they're like shagging dogs or something, that might be a...
	Well, if they were shagging children, yes.
	You know, what they do with dogs is entirely up to them, as long as the dogs consented, especially in a walk-pouring signature.
	But they'd never admit that.
	They'd never tell you that.
	So it's a bit of a sort of...
	But you're right.
	You're right. I mean, you know, in my show, I expect people to disagree with me on a whole load of things because I do a little monologue.
	Usually in the mornings, I put it out and then I do interviews in the afternoon.
	And I expect people to disagree, not understand, discomprehend as I might with them.
	But it doesn't mean that we have to fall out.
	But it does seem on the other side that if you just, you know, you can like...
	Nine points about somebody, and it's that tenth point that somehow nukes all the rest, which is bizarre.
	It's bizarre, except do you not think that this is indicative of something that you will observe as well, that people have been programmed and they're reacting in a way that they've been programmed to react.
	They're not thinking rationally.
	It's just a sort of a triggered response.
	That you've denied the thing that they've been told repeatedly is true.
	And they've been repeatedly told that people who deny the thing they need to be true are bad people.
	Bad, you know, stay away.
	Bad. So I think that's what it maybe is.
	Yeah, no, I agree with you.
	I think people have been so dumbed down, so programmed and, you know, the mainstream media has had a huge, huge task in that, in their NLP programming to...
	I'm trying to think of the word that was at the top of my head, but it's gone, but it doesn't matter.
	I'll think of another one. We have been a lot programmed, and even now, you know, I'll read something and go, blimey, that's another bloody thing that I thought was, you know, you feel like you're holding onto the edge of a cliff now, and all the rocks, the little pebbles are crumbling away.
	You're going, what truth is there left to hold my hands on?
	I keep thinking of new things, stories that one knows about that are imprinted in one's historical understanding of everything.
	And I think, oh, I haven't thought about the Hindenburg, somebody mentioned the other day.
	I mean, obviously.
	Obviously, the Hindenburg was some kind of...
	I don't doubt the Hindenburg went down in flames, but it was presumably because they wanted to stop airships.
	They wanted to kill them for whatever reason.
	And they made a movie about it, so it's obviously...
	Anything they make a movie about is going to be alive.
	Imprinted in everyone's minds as a truce.
	Yeah. And I realised to my horror, well not to my horror, I mean I've worked it out some time ago, that in my previous incarnation as a journalist, this was essentially what I was doing.
	I mean, I was, although I spent time as a, I did spend some time briefly in the newsroom, but I wasn't really a news hacker.
	I was more of a kind of commentator and a feature writer.
	And one of your jobs as a feature writer is to reinforce narratives in the public's imagination using things called anniversaries.
	I don't know if you've ever thought about this, that one of the things newspapers do is run stories about things that happened a year ago or 10 years ago, like 9-11, however many years on, or this or that.
	And you think when you're writing these pieces, yeah, I'm just, you know, talking about a really important event that happened in the past and looking back on it and seeing what else we've learned.
	But actually what you're doing is repeating the programming.
	Yes. Reinforcing for those who already know and introducing it for those who don't know yet but ought to know because that's the thing you've got to be programmed with.
	Yeah. No, I hadn't thought of that.
	And that's very, very interesting, actually.
	Might have to make that into a monologue.
	Because I think that's exactly what's going on.
	Yeah, well, I think it's really...
	We're really lucky. I mean, on the one hand, it's completely shit knowing how awful everything is and that we're not going to have a comfy retirement and we'll probably get butchered by marauding gangs of imported United Nations killers or whatever.
	So that's the downside. But the upside is we're finding out stuff every day.
	It's like going back to university or whatever, or going back to school, but this time being on a really exciting curriculum where everything is fun and interesting and wow.
	Yeah. Until they knock the door down and these marauding bands come in.
	What was that all about then?
	But then, you know, we go to heaven.
	Well, I do. I'm hoping.
	What about you? Where are you on God?
	Well, I mean, I think that we have a, we, I'm just a consciousness.
	I mean, I don't know, you know, I'm coming to that point where I don't know if anything exists at all anymore.
	So you're more kind of Gnostic?
	Are you going to go back, when you die, you're going to go back to the infinite?
	Is that kind of thing? Yeah, I guess so.
	I don't think I'm going to go and sit on some bearded gentleman's knee and be patted on the head for having a good life.
	Do you imply that God is like some kind of Father Christmas impersonator or worse?
	An impersonator?
	Don't insult God like that.
	So... What, not wishing to pursue you too far on this one.
	I mean, I don't consider you to be a fox that I have to, you know, track down to its lair and take out.
	But do you, how do you think we originated?
	Who made us?
	Or what made us?
	Well, I suppose at the moment, having listened to all the various different people talking about all these different things, I'm still of the opinion that we are part of a universe, a source, something.
	And you might call it God.
	You might call it God.
	Something. I know there's all this business about the aliens came down or the Anunnaki and their mates and they chopped up this and chopped up and glued something together, changed our DNA and, you know, created us to be slaves or to dig gold or whatever the...
	To me, that may be true.
	That may all well have happened in the past, but to me, that's all still part of theatre land.
	I think all of this is theatre land.
	And so none of this is actually real.
	But who built the proscenium?
	Well, I imagine that we're creating it ourselves.
	I mean, in a way, we are God.
	So we made ourselves.
	Where did our consciousness come from?
	Well, that's a bit beyond my pay grade, as they say, because I don't know where it came.
	I just know I exist.
	I don't know where I came.
	Yeah, I mean, I exist.
	And when I say I, I mean the thing that looks not in my brain, but because that's my brain, that looks through my eyes.
	And all of this is just vibration and the other one, energy, energy and vibration.
	If I may say so, I think this is kind of a flaw in your Welt and Xiaowang, if you like.
	You think what you like, that's cool.
	Very kind. I'm surprised, I'm just surprised that you haven't come up with an answer to the The biggest question of all, which is, where did we come from?
	And what's your answer, then?
	Oh, God! Well, you know, that's a sort of cliché classic answer that's been around for donkey's years.
	Have you got anything better than that? Lots of things are clichés, like dog is man's best friend.
	It doesn't mean to say that dog is not man's best friend.
	In the same way, just because God is a well-worn trope of many people's theories on creation doesn't mean to say that it invalidates it through creation.
	Through having been mentioned so many times.
	So, yeah, I would say that God, who is outside time, he has to be in a way, created us, created man in his image, like the Bible says.
	So are we talking about a big giant?
	Oh, well, you can't, I mean, he's ineffable, isn't he?
	You can't kind of imagine he's everywhere, he's...
	We're imbued with his qualities, with some of his qualities.
	And I don't know.
	I think he does and he doesn't have faces and things.
	But I think that's...
	We can only speculate.
	I think all we can go on is that he is this extraordinary thing.
	Yeah. That created us and all that we see around us.
	My argument on that would be, how do we know that?
	That seems to be a man-made construct.
	Yes, well, of course there's an element of faith involved.
	But I think that we are privileged to get glimpses of this supernatural realm.
	So I mean, yes, of course, we've been encouraged to think, particularly since the Enlightenment, that everything is explicable in terms of science, and we should go to the scientists for the answer.
	And even that, you know, there might be this scientific explanation for our creation.
	There was this big bang and somehow all this kind of primordial slime produced Mozart eventually.
	Just give it a few million years and Mozart appeared and Shakespeare and stuff.
	I personally don't buy into that.
	I used to be a kind of what's known as a cultural, what I would now call a cultural Christian.
	I went to church at Christmas and I got confirmed when I was at school because everyone else did pretty much and so on.
	And I like the idea of the Book of Common Prayer and some of the language and stuff.
	And I always came top of my scripture class at school and But I didn't go through a massive religious...
	I said my prayers, but I wasn't sort of massively religious and I wasn't a particularly ardent Christian.
	And then...
	My sort of Christian awakening coincided with my journey down the rabbit hole about the same thing.
	When I saw the things that you have seen at roughly the same time, this shocking, traumatic realization that everything you've been told about the world pretty much is a lie.
	I mean, that's quite a traumatic experience, isn't it?
	Oh, definitely. You're left floating around thinking, well, I need a rudder, or at least I need a bit of wood to grab onto, something that floats that I won't drown.
	And isn't that God then for you?
	Yes, it is.
	No, it's more than that.
	You see... I have one of the things that probably is a really bad thing for a Christian.
	I've got a very, very inquiring mind.
	So just because this or that religious expert, be he a bishop or the pope or whatever, tells me something, I'm going, yeah, I don't know about that.
	You could be a Satanist.
	Well, you are if you're the pope.
	Yeah. So I want to find things...
	I suppose what I'm saying is that I want my faith to be not just a matter of emotional and kind of spiritual response.
	I also want an intellectual element.
	And what I found when I started reading the Bible, or re-reading the Bible, though obviously I'd read it in bits...
	What I found was that it all made intellectual sense, as well as sense on a kind of, this feels right, my heart and my whole, tell me, this is so.
	And what I found on my Christian journey is that, and a lot of people do find this, God gives you little treats, little signs to show he's real.
	I think a lot of Christians will testify to this, that this crazy shit actually is real.
	It works. It's not just...
	You know the line that you hear that, oh yeah, Christianity is just like kind of...
	Because people know they're going to die, they're trying to make sense of their life and they're trying to find this narrative which explains everything and makes them feel reassured that it's going to be heaven and stuff.
	No, I think it's...
	My working thesis now is that the Bible is pretty much true.
	It tells it like it is.
	And it's a very good framework on which to hang your crazy conspiracy theories.
	And it gives you a kind of an anchor.
	If you like, in this otherwise crazy world.
	So I'm very grateful. I'm very grateful to it.
	But I say, I'm not in the business of aggressively proselytising.
	I think that my mission, as I keep saying, is not to frighten the horses.
	So I don't want to come over all pious and say...
	Thou shalt discover the truth, Richard Vobes.
	Thou art a heathen at the moment.
	But, you know, no, it's totally up to you.
	But for me, to me, it makes sense.
	That's a long answer, but I hope it sort of helps explain something.
	Absolutely. And I think if it works for you and it makes sense to you and it speaks to you and all of that, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
	No, no, no. Well, I think it's important to have a framework.
	And I don't know about you, I've found that...
	So at the beginning, when I was still 95% normie, I used to think that there were these things called conspiracy theories...
	And they were all bollocks, you know, only entertained by really sad people, slightly overweight, living in their mum's basement, probably attended comic books conventions and stuff.
	You know, I had all these kind of...
	It's ridiculous notions in my head, which, again, I think were programmed notions.
	I thought, so there are always conspiracies out there, people who think them are mad, so I really shouldn't entertain them, but I'm going to have a look at one, just in case, you know, maybe I can find the one that is true.
	So you look at whatever it is, and you look and you think, hang on, this...
	They're right. The nutcases seem to be right.
	And then you look at another one, you think, well, this one's really out.
	And there's no way that Paul McCartney died in 90s.
	Paul McCartney, Macca, died in 66.
	No, he didn't. No, of course he didn't.
	He's alive. I saw him at Glastonbury, you know.
	And so on and on it goes.
	And there's a danger that you could go, fuck.
	Fuck. I can't make sense of anything anymore.
	And what I find that the Bible does is it gives you this grand overarching narrative which puts this stuff all into context and makes it all make sense.
	You know, whether it's Doja Cat's demonic videos, whether it's the global warming industry, whether it's You know, all the things that we talk about on our podcast.
	Yes. Well, what's your theory of what's going on then?
	I mean, you haven't got the Bible, so where are you?
	Who are the baddies? Why are they doing it?
	And how does it end?
	Well, let me start then with these so-called Satanists and things.
	I just, I mean, I've heard all of this and, you know, as you said, you go down and you get into the fear thing and you go, oh my God, everything's, we're all doomed.
	We're all going to die in a horrible, agonizing death and it's coming tomorrow.
	You know, and you see this and you feel the pit in your stomach going, oh my God, why hasn't nobody told me this before?
	We're not prepared. And then you crawl your way out of this, or at least I have, and thought, you know, no, actually, thank you very much.
	I'm not having any of this.
	I don't consent to this. I don't want any of this.
	There's obviously something in me, and I don't know where I can pin it from, how I got this sort of feeling that I'm not going to put up with any of this rubbish.
	And so then I keep hearing about these Satanists and all of this, and the Freemasons and the Luciferians and, you know, all of this, the cabal business.
	And I think to myself, does Satan actually exist as a monster of being, an entity or whatever?
	And to me, the answer is no.
	I think that people want us to believe that he exists.
	I think that this is another sort of trope that's being thrown out so that we're in fear that he exists, that we must have this evil.
	But in a way, I think...
	I mean, again, it's another cliché, hackneyed thing, but I think that the source or life, whatever you want to call it, is like electricity can be used for good or bad, and that if you put out bad things, bad things will happen.
	And so I think to personalise it as this character in red with horns or whatever you want to, you know, do...
	I think that's there as part of the fairy tale, part of the theatre.
	I think it is all theatre.
	I think we're far more superior and stronger and creative and innovative and powerful than those that are trying to push us down.
	And they don't want us to know that.
	And I think that is to do with understanding who we are.
	And the power that we have.
	And so for me, a god is not an outside entity that is looking down.
	I mean, you know, ultimately you just ask what kind of a god would look down on the world and go, I'm just going to let them get on with it like some ants and every now and again I'll pour boiling water over here or I'll throw sugar over there.
	It seems ridiculous.
	Whereas if life is understanding itself by making billions and billions of iterations of itself and going through doing stuff, it's learning about what life is.
	And in a way, we all report back when we kick the bucket, shift our mortal coil.
	Right. So I think that the whole Satanist thing, and a lot of this stuff, is theatre to keep us down.
	And I think that's right down to smart meters in your room, the 5G and the other, because I think we can actually mitigate all of this in a much more spiritual...
	Now, I never used to be able to articulate this Two years ago, I couldn't articulate this sort of nonsense.
	I didn't know how to.
	But I do feel now that we are much more empowered than we realise, but we're just letting them roll over us.
	So you've told me what it's not.
	You said, okay, so it's not Satan.
	But, I mean, the people making the running right now, they didn't come from nowhere.
	They seem to have a specific philosophy which seems to involve paying very serious homage to the entity you believe doesn't exist.
	Are these...
	You don't reckon they're the Anunnaki?
	They're not an alien species.
	So what are they?
	Just kind of very rich people who've got very good at being evil and running the world or what?
	No, I may not have expressed myself clearly.
	I think there's two levels to this.
	One is there is only consciousness.
	On a, you know, that's it.
	And then everything else is theatre.
	So within our 3D world, there could well have been Anunnaki space creatures that came down.
	We could well have been, the human body could well have been mucked about with DNA, fiddled around with, developed, grown, whatever the story is.
	But the point, I suppose, is that...
	For me, I am here and now.
	And that's it. I'm here and now.
	And I don't know what happened.
	I don't know whether yesterday really even happened.
	I know it sounds barking mad.
	Obviously, I have memories of things that happened.
	But we're in such a sort of what is true, what isn't true, that all I can guarantee is that I'm here now.
	And everything else is concepts.
	It doesn't sound barking mad.
	It just sounds insufficiently thought through.
	Well, fair enough.
	That's probably me. Because, like, okay, so you've suggested it.
	And I'm really not trying to pin you down.
	No, no, you carry on.
	I'm just curious. You sort of suggested, well, maybe it is the Anunnaki, but then you'd have to answer the question.
	Well, I think you'd have to answer the question.
	Okay, who made the Anunnaki?
	It's... I think...
	But it's all theory, though, isn't it?
	I mean, it's all theory, which is fine, but it doesn't really help me Whatever, you know, knowing that the Nananarchy came down from wherever, and even if I could say, actually, they came from a Centertaurus 5, and they came in these circular ships with nice lights and came down...
	Yeah, but you're making it up now.
	Well, I know I am making it up.
	That's the point. How do we know any of it is true?
	Okay, well, so what we do is we look at the world, And we have our personal, visceral, immediate responses, which come from our senses.
	Which is being in the here and now.
	Yeah. But then we have other people to compare notes with.
	And we also have the stories of the past.
	I mean...
	But the stories of the past are now sort of what-ifs, aren't they?
	Because have we not...
	I mean, you and I, and many millions of others, hopefully many millions, have realised that everything that was on the whiteboard was not true.
	And we've kind of wiped all that stuff off, so we're now faced with this whiteboard going, well, what is actually true?
	What is real?
	Well, I agree with the part about we're on the search for what is actually true.
	Just to complete my point, what are we most drawn to as children?
	Pretty much the first thing that happens when we can stop our neck from wobbling and vaguely concentrate is our parents start telling us stories.
	And stories...
	Are our way of making sense of the world.
	And you get repeated structures within stories, often across cultures.
	And I think that, to a degree, this enables you to do the thing that you just described, which is to try and differentiate what is obviously fraudulent, or what is fraudulent, from what actually makes...
	An intuitive and emotional sense that not everything is a lie.
	There are certain true things.
	And perhaps I'm not expressing it very well, but it seems to me that through a combination of personal observation, of collective wisdom, if you like...
	We have acquired an understanding of the world and of our creation process.
	And I suppose the added dimension, which you probably wouldn't accept because you're not a person of faith, is that I think that certain people are blessed with the gift of being able to communicate with the supernatural realm.
	Prophets, for example, biblical prophets, and obviously the most obvious one being Jesus.
	That they are kind of our way of discovering the realm beyond us that we don't always see all the time and showing us that it is real.
	I mean, for example, people say, well, you asked me, in fact, you kind of suggested this.
	How do you know the Bible's not just another fairy story?
	Well, because if you think of it in terms of the life of Jesus...
	Jesus is often throughout his preaching, he is quoting the Old Testament, the scriptures.
	But these scriptures in turn predict the coming of Christ.
	So they rhyme and they echo one another.
	They work together. We know that Jesus was real.
	We have contemporaries describing his life and quoting him and the quotes kind of...
	I think it would be hard pushed to argue that this was just kind of some crazy made-up shit that they decided on in the first century.
	I think that would be a council of despair to take that argument.
	So, for me, the mixture of sort of historical truth and Scripture, they combine to make sense to me that this is more than just cosy myth.
	But that's okay, though, isn't it?
	That's okay. I mean, I don't...
	What I'm saying is that my worldview is coherent, and I'm sticking by it, and I'm waiting for you to present me with a worldview which I can go, oh, yeah, right, okay, I get it, I get it.
	If you can't tell me where you came from, then it seems to me that there was an incompleteness in your understanding of everything.
	Yes, there probably is a complete incoherent understanding of everything because I'm on the journey and trying to learn.
	I'm in front of this whiteboard trying to re...
	You know, someone smashed up my Lego and I'm now picking up the pictures and going, okay...
	That went in there somewhere, but was it in the right place?
	I'm re-putting the jigsaw together, and I think I have some version of it.
	Perhaps I've got all the edge pieces in order, but there's all that bloody sky to put in, and it's confusing.
	Well, the advantage you've got over me, I guess, is that you can probably have, well, you can have people talking about the Anunnaki.
	I probably wouldn't I couldn't be asked to do that.
	I'd be thinking, well, do I really want to spend an hour and a half talking to somebody about the Andanarchy when I think it's all bollocks?
	Not really.
	Whereas you can cast your net wide for all sorts of...
	What's been your favourite?
	Well, obviously, it's invidious to make people pick their favourites, but what's blown your mind of your recent guests?
	I think that out of all of the stuff, it comes down to the legal fiction and the corporate...
	Ah, well, I was going to go there.
	Listen, I've been dying to talk about this, but I wanted to get all the other stuff...
	Done. Right.
	First. Should we just cut out the foreplay and just go straight to the hard sex?
	Yeah. Fine. Yep.
	I did love your video.
	The one where you...
	There was the one about where you met the man in the pub.
	Was he real? No, that was an allegory.
	It was an allegory. It was a good allegory.
	Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in my monologues, you know, you're trying to get a point over and you're using storytelling.
	And that is my theatrical background, I suppose.
	Yeah. And so initially, I suppose a bit naive of me to say to people that it was, you know, I kind of assumed that people would get that it didn't really happen because I hammed it up quite a bit.
	But yeah, the idea that he took me in and he showed me the greatest secret, that we're all actually on a Monopoly board, and that is how it's all working, and it's there in front, like everything else is in front of us.
	Well, it was good.
	It was a good analogy, and it led into just, like, amazing stuff.
	Can you sort of outline it briefly, do you think, again?
	Yeah. I mean, funny enough, it sort of fits into the spiritual nature of it because you have to ask yourself, okay, who are you?
	Are you a name?
	And this is the whole thing, that when you're born with the birth certificate, your mother and father inform you.
	The state that you have been born.
	The fact that the midwife has already told them your surname and said yes, they don't necessarily know what your forenames are going to be, or the Christian names, because that's up to the mum and dad, but the surname is fixed because they are already an item.
	And so the names are given, the birth certificate is created, and the story goes that The baby is born and afterwards the placenta is born.
	The placenta is grabbed by the state and named as the same name as the parents have given you or the mother and father have given you.
	And this is what they pretend you are, the name in which they register in capital letters and it's on your driving license and everything else, the legal fiction.
	And so therefore, you're told at school as you go, you know, Vobes, you put your hand up, yes sir, it's reinforced everywhere you go that this capitalised name is you.
	But is it? And of course, you're not a name.
	I mean, you go back to that whole thing.
	This is my arm, so it belongs to me, but it's not me.
	This is my name.
	Oh, it belongs to me, but it's not me.
	I'm not a capitalised letter on a piece of paper.
	But we all think... Although...
	Yes? For your podcast, if it was just, hello, this is the...
	Podcast. People might have trouble locating you.
	So it's quite... Well, of course, people can call you names.
	People call me sometimes Oy You Baldi and I'll respond to it.
	So I could be the Oy You Baldi podcast.
	You know, a name is just a title, isn't it?
	It's just something to...
	It's an identifier. But it can be changed.
	The fact that I could call you James or I could call you Jamie, you know, if we were really pouty.
	Some people do. It's been known.
	I mean, I wouldn't presume to do that unless we were Pauli and you may have other nicknames.
	But they're names.
	They're not actual...
	It's not truly you.
	It's just a way of identifying you.
	And so with the legal fiction, that's what the legal profession have taken or the Vatican has taken and put into canon law, which is now part of the legalese business and legislation.
	Is that we all think...
	Vatican.
	Sorry, just going back to the thing about who are the baddies.
	Are you of the party that it's kind of Washington, Vatican, City of London, the kind of...
	Yes, the three...
	I would agree with that.
	The three dark cities of evil.
	Dark powers, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
	And this stuff...
	I mean, I've skimmed the surface of this stuff.
	You've obviously looked into it more deeply.
	Do you understand the stuff about us being traded as commodities on the stock markets?
	Yes. How does that work? So, I don't know how they...
	Because I'm not really into banking and all of this nonsense, but...
	We are the stock.
	We are the stock.
	So we are securities that have been, through a bond, have been floated on.
	And what we earn and various things, the fact that we're alike, even when you're dead, once you pass these, unless you've claimed these stocks, So there's a fund that's earning money on the back of you.
	And you can look this up on fidelity.com.
	And if you trace your national insurance number to a QCIP number, which is on your birth certificate, and then you can see how much you're worth.
	And you're probably worth billions of pounds.
	Richard, I didn't know that detail.
	So tell me again.
	You need your... So there are websites that you can do this on.
	Again, you need to see how much of this is true.
	You haven't done it yet?
	I personally haven't got my original birth certificate.
	Well, no one's got their original birth certificate because they're all probably in the Vatican or somewhere.
	But you've got a copy of it.
	And using your national insurance number, you get a CUSIP number.
	And that will tell you, you put that into fidelity.com and it will tell you, and your name comes up, your births, your bond, and you're floated around, and you're being bought and sold all the time.
	So this is definitely, definitely true.
	As far as, I mean, I can't say 100%, but I would, well, let me put it this way.
	We do definitely have a trust fund that is based on that.
	I know that because when I had a water bill, I had a letter from my water bill and they said, oh, we've had a breach on your data.
	And I thought, you buggers, I'm going to cancel my direct debit.
	I cancelled my direct debit.
	Two days later, a bill comes in.
	And at the bottom of it was this gyro, and I'd heard that you could pay off your bills using this technique.
	So I thought, I'll do it.
	I signed off as the title holder of the legal fiction and sole beneficiary.
	And I went back in, sent it to them, heard nothing for three months.
	Then I get another bill.
	It's not the same bill. The first one was for about 300 quid.
	This one was for 50 quid.
	And it had previous bills paid on the top.
	And there was the one I had done with my signature.
	Because your signature is what makes the money.
	And effectively, the way I look at it is that it's like a buyer in a corporate company who has an account with a firm.
	And you go to the firm and you say, I'll have 100 photocopiers, please.
	And they say, yeah, no problem.
	That's £4 million.
	Sign here. Put it on the account.
	I am absolutely convinced that we have a trust account in our name, the all-capital name, that we are the sole beneficiary of and that we can act as the executor of that estate and we ought to be able to go and buy a Rolls-Royce and say, I'm already in the credit and I'm just signing off.
	So you take it from the Treasury and it's mine, thank you very much.
	That's what I believe.
	So you've tried it with your water bills?
	I've done it with my water bills.
	I'm trying it with the council tax and HMRC. Thank you very much.
	And have you had anything yet?
	With the second water bill, because I mentioned it on the show, which was a big mistake because I wanted to help people.
	And then the water company said, we've had a flurry of things.
	We don't know where they've come from, but it seems a lot of people are doing the same and we won't accept it.
	And I thought, I'm not surprised you won't accept it because they want you to pay.
	They're probably double dipping anyway, because they're probably taking the money from your account and you're paying them out your own private funds.
	So I've had issues with HMRC because I hadn't bothered, you know, tax is voluntary, so I didn't bother to send in a form.
	And the council tax, I tried it with the council tax.
	They were being very difficult because they wouldn't acknowledge that they'd had the financial instrument that I'd created.
	So in the end, I said, well, that's fine.
	I'll settle in a different way.
	Just send me the financial instrument back.
	Well, they wouldn't, probably because they threw it away or even made money on the back of it, because your signature is what makes money.
	And so in the end, I've invoiced them to say, well, if you can't send me my money back, I'm invoicing you for the amount.
	So I've sent them an invoice. And I don't suppose they'll pay it.
	They'll probably take me to court and all the usual nonsense.
	But it's all a fraud.
	Yes. It is a fraud, and we know that, but they're very good at using the system to intimidate us into paying up, regardless.
	Yes. I mean, you can use their system...
	So, in other words, there's the lawful way of doing things, and then there's the legal way of doing things, and you can use their legalese against them, but because they are not playing the game, You know, they have different rules, i.e.
	we're not playing any game, that even if you say things like, well, hold on, according to the Local Finance Act 1992, you're saying I must pay the council tax.
	So I must do this, must I? Am I a slave?
	Because according to the Slavery Act, I'm not a slave.
	So how can I must do this, and yet I'm not a slave?
	And... Where in your legislation does it say I have to be a person?
	Because everything's done through this person word.
	I'm a man. I'm a living man.
	I'm a living soul. So it comes back to the who are you?
	Are you a name?
	Or are you, as in my case, consciousness in a body that has blood and skin, bones, that is nameless?
	It's only what other people call me And I decide to respond to, Oi Baldi, or Vobesey, or Richard, or whatever.
	That is, you know, a name isn't a true thing, is it?
	Yeah, I get all this.
	I'm glad you did. Just explain it to me.
	It does bend your mind.
	Yeah, the bit I don't get is how you avoid...
	Ending in the misery of court cases, bailiffs.
	I know there are ways of dealing with bailiffs, but some of us have things called wives, and wives don't like bailiffs coming round.
	No matter how well armed with your contract law and et cetera you are, wives just go, well, there's a man at the door and I want him to go away now.
	Yes. Well, the answer there is don't answer the door.
	Yeah. Yeah. But they'll always come round on the day that you've just popped out for some milk and you're not there.
	Yes, that may well be.
	Darling, don't answer the door.
	Find out who they are.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. So...
	Do you think that the game is up now for water bills?
	Do you think they're going to try it out?
	No, because not enough people know, really.
	Not enough people know this.
	And they're pushing back.
	And they are pushing back.
	Council tax...
	Web sites, council's websites have blatantly on them.
	You can't use the man of the land argument anymore, which is what a lot of people have been saying, you know, because everything's in maritime law, courts and all of that.
	It's all in maritime law, law of admiralty and etc.
	Yes.
	Yes. Yes.
	real law as opposed to legal um legalese or legislation rather because you know you're a man of God okay So there's God.
	He creates man.
	Man creates more men.
	And the men get together with their wives and say, look, we're a bit of a rabble.
	What we need is some organization.
	Let's form a government.
	We form a government.
	The government are supposed to do what man says.
	But we're in a situation where the government is now telling its creator, man, what to do.
	And you think, well, that's not democracy, if democracy is even a desirable thing.
	No. And so we have a topsy-turvy world where what man has created is telling, and it shouldn't be that way.
	I agree. Evermore got more power, and that's because we don't challenge them significantly to say, oi, you're supposedly public servants, will you serve us publicly?
	I agree that this system that has been set up is a violation of natural law.
	It's the laws of the universe.
	It clearly goes against them.
	So whether you're a Christian or a non-Christian, it's still what's happening is wrong.
	So I definitely get all that.
	By the way... The thing that convinced me more than anything that...
	How do you say it?
	Sesquivie or something? Well, yeah, I'm not great on the pronouncing.
	Sesquivie Act, 1666.
	It's old French, isn't it?
	Yes. I think. Yes.
	I'm just going to...
	Get it to speak it out.
	Well, it should be...
	There you go.
	That'll do. Or is it...
	I don't know why it's a k.
	Okay, let's assume they spot it right.
	The thing that convinced me that this stuff's got to be real is because I've seen an official government...
	Press release statement saying that it's not real.
	Oh, there you go. Absolutely.
	Whatever they say, it's the complete reverse.
	If they'd written it in blood and signed it in triplicate, they couldn't have done a better job of confirming that all that crazies are right.
	But I'm sorry that you haven't actually gone through the business of using your birth certificate number and your national insurance and go on Fidelity to find out exactly how much you're worth.
	Some of my viewers have done that.
	Have they? Yes, I personally haven't done that.
	I mean, I've taken, you know, enough viewers saying it from different places is enough for me to realise.
	And also, in a way, I don't really want to know how many billions people are making out of me.
	I think it would depress me. It's kind of upsetting, wouldn't it?
	Have you looked into the one about, what is it, where...
	You say, I'm going to pay my council tax.
	I'm going to pay my income tax.
	So long as you can.
	It's the Chris Coverdale method.
	Yes. As long as you can demonstrate to me that this money is not going to be used.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Is that a good one or not?
	Well, I think in theory, I think it is absolutely a good one because you're not saying I'm not paying.
	You're not saying I refuse to pay.
	But what you're saying is I'm happy to pay provided that the money that you've asked for is going to the actual purpose that it's going to.
	You're not using it for war.
	You're not sending bombs out to Ukraine or you're not killing people left right.
	You'd never do that, Richard. Well, of course, and so that's the trap.
	No, no, what it means, they've never sent storm-shadow missiles to blow up...
	Of course they wouldn't. They're very kind, nice, benevolent government, aren't they?
	Especially Mr Starmer, you know, you couldn't think of a nicer, more true, honest, benevolent gentleman in this history of the world.
	I may have just had to go and commit suicide now.
	But yes, exactly.
	So you're saying, if you don't do these things, I'm more than happy, you know.
	And in theory, they ought to say, well, of course we're not doing that.
	We can guarantee 100% that we're not terrorists and we're not killing and maiming innocent people.
	Absolutely. Why would we?
	And we're not spending your money on that.
	But because they don't and, you know, nobody comes back and says, no, that's not what we're doing.
	Please pay us. Then, in theory, you don't have to pay them.
	You put the money into a trust account so you can't hold it, so you can't spend it.
	You don't have to. You just put it into a separate bank account or just make sure you've got enough money to pay it if it goes tits up, as it were.
	But people still are having pushbacks because the problem is these bastards don't play by their own rules.
	You can point in black and white.
	You're not supposed to do that.
	And they effectively go, we don't care.
	They're the ones with the bigger sticks.
	Yes. That's the issue that we have.
	And no matter what you do, at the moment, until we unite, because there's more of us than them, if we unite and say, do you know what?
	No thank you. Don't want this.
	Don't consent. It's all a load of baloney.
	And more and more people are waking up to this, but not fast enough.
	And that's what you and I are doing, is attempting to wake people up and have an open mind and to think, actually, do you know what?
	There might be something in that thing that James Dellingpole said the other day.
	Yeah. I wonder how many people we've woken up.
	It always feels like we're preaching to the choir here and that nobody else is going to join our club because we've got all the members we've...
	But maybe now, I don't know.
	Do you think people still... I do know that, you know, you sort of alluded to my somewhat crazy get-up, but in the early days of what I was doing, people were sharing my content.
	They said, I've been trying to wake up my mum and my mother and father to the vaccines and to the dangers of this, that and the other.
	And they said, because you're sitting there in your chair like a proper English gentleman.
	And you're, you know, you just, you come over, somebody said to me, you're the Alan Titchmarsh of the conspiracy movement.
	And they said you're a step from the BBC before you go down onto all these other platforms that the everyday folk...
	Outside, you know, the everyday country folk of Ambridge have yet to go on to rumble and Odyssey and all that.
	Oh no, I don't want to go there. It's too weird.
	So I'm that sort of stepping stone.
	I'm the one who's...
	I said this in one of my podcasts and my girlfriend wasn't very happy with me.
	I said I'm a bit like the pimp who's saying, hey, you know...
	Come and have a look down this rabbit hole.
	It's this and this. It's ever so nice and you might enjoy it.
	I'm the one at the door who's leading them in.
	And so I think that people have been woken up by my sort of somewhat...
	But it's me. I mean, I'm not acting.
	I am the sort of affable twit who sits there and ponders and says, why is it the government are trying to kill us?
	Why is the world upside down?
	Why is that? And then I'll have a guest on about whatever it is, money creation.
	And you'll go, well, that's interesting.
	Why is it your signature creates money?
	When you sign the mortgage agreement, you've actually given them the 500,000 for the new house.
	And then they lend you your own money back again and then you pay them back over three or four years at interest.
	Why is that a good thing?
	And people go, blimey.
	And so they feel able to share my stuff because I'm a bit less...
	Well, I'm controversial, but it's about planting a seed.
	Certainly, if I were a normie, I'd feel much safer with you than I would with me.
	I'd think, that Dellingpole is a bit...
	I can trust that Richard, he's the sort of man I can...
	I can watch and trust, yeah.
	You could have me around for a cup of tea and you wouldn't feel raped.
	Yes, you could, couldn't you? Yeah.
	Yeah, you might think that I'd spike you with magic mushrooms or something, or I don't know, or I'd try and convert you or something.
	Whereas, you'd know you'd get, what kind of biscuits would you get with you with your cup of tea?
	You'd get digestants? You'd get some nice, yeah, bourbons.
	Bourbons? Chocolate chum and bourbons, they're nice.
	Yeah. And you, yeah.
	Custard creams. I think you can't go wrong with custard creams.
	Other than there's too much sugar in them and we're all going to die and get cancer if you eat too many of them.
	But other than that, they're all right.
	Yeah, you see, I definitely would not be poisoning.
	You see, you'd actually be safer with me because I wouldn't poison people with, what are they called?
	With custard creams. Hydrogenated fats and all the other shit that you'd be using to poison these unwitting...
	You know, oh, I trust Vobese.
	No, you don't. He's giving you poison biscuits.
	Just for the record, if anyone from a company that might make custard creams, that is only a generic expression.
	It doesn't mean that your company is trying to poison anybody.
	Thank you very much. There isn't...
	I think it's... No. It's generic, isn't it?
	I think so.
	I hope so. I hope so.
	Well, you never know when you say these things, do you?
	If you'd said Jaffa Cakes...
	I hadn't said that. No, no.
	They're lovely. Nothing wrong with Jaffa Cates.
	They're not poisonous. Yes.
	Eat as many as those as you like.
	Yeah. Have you still got your YouTube channel?
	Yes. But I have been banned...
	How? How?
	I've been banned four times.
	I've been demonetised.
	None of the links work if I put a link on them.
	And obviously shadow banned and all the rest.
	But I'm hanging on there by a row.
	And so sometimes I can't say the things I want that I used to be able to say.
	Because, you know, you feel that you're very much under the microscope whilst you're under the ban.
	Yes. And you can't do satire.
	That's, I realise AI doesn't, I did a thing when, do you remember when everyone was talking, oh, what were we looking about six to eight months ago, everyone was talking about disease X. And I kept talking about disease X was coming.
	So I dressed up in a white coat and pretended I was in a lab and I had some different bottles and things and I said...
	Hello, sir. I am Professor Krakenpotten, and today we are making a lovely bit of Disease X. And what we've been doing is making sure you all have this in your food so that you get the next injection.
	And I was just mucking about like this to see if I could get, you know, a bit of comedy and whether that would go out.
	And within two hours, I was banned.
	You know your mistake? If you'd done it through the medium of mime, they couldn't have picked up on your dialogue.
	That's what you should do.
	Get around all future bands by just miming everything.
	Well, I have, yes, I did write a whole load of skits about things like going up to a 5G tower and reading the instruction that was on there, highly hazardous, you know, likely to cause problem to humans and just sort of shake your head going, nah. And then as you walk away, your head explodes with, you know, and a short, little shorts and various other little ideas like that.
	But of course, it takes time and effort to do that, whereas sitting at home just sort of spouting nonsense is quite easy.
	Yeah, anything that requires production skills, I think, is it really worth it?
	And you have to do it well.
	Otherwise it just looks really naff and no one wants to share it.
	Yeah. Who's that guy with the blog that does these incredible stunts?
	Really, really expensive.
	Like the one where he gets tanks and things to blow up.
	Oh, I don't know him.
	I mean, it's an interesting business model.
	It's kind of the opposite to that one, I think.
	It's a lot more expensive, I imagine.
	Well, I mean, he's got the kind of budget that, I don't know, Jeremy Clarkson might have for one of his adventures, I think.
	He's just made so much because he does all the things that, I suppose, younger people.
	I mean, do you have an idea of your audience?
	Is it people about 50-plus?
	Mostly. I mean, obviously.
	Because I go and do talks, and so people have asked me to come and do talks, and I think, crikey, you see me every day.
	What else have I got to add?
	But they want to see you, you know.
	And I go and do the talks, and I look in there, and I say, oh, we're all from the analogue generation, aren't we?
	None of us grew up swiping this way and that way.
	What year were you born in? 63.
	Yeah, so you're two years older than me, so we're very close.
	We must have...
	I wonder whether we've got...
	We must have crossover, but I'll bet there are people who would go, I'd watch Vobes, but I'd never watch Dellingpole.
	And probably there are people who watch Dellingpole, but never watch Vobes.
	To do with sort of weird prejudices, but do you think that's true?
	Yeah, I think that's very true.
	But generally, I think you're right.
	I mean, I console myself that even though, you know, we are in our late 50s, early, getting up 60 even, that we are also the rave generation.
	I don't know whether you went clubbing.
	I didn't used to rave myself, but yes, I mean, I went clubbing a few times.
	I was never very comfortable doing it, but...
	But yeah, we are of that generation.
	But for me, what's more important is the analogue world is we saw how things worked.
	I used to take tape recorders to bits and typewriters and, you know, you used to have a Haynes manual and you could take your car to bits and put it back together again upon...
	Well, what I'm saying is the world of that time could do that.
	Now you have a smartphone, you know, you can't even take the battery out anymore.
	And so we could see mechanics and things worked in an old-fashioned way.
	I'm sure that even the Delling Poles would, at one point in their life, to make a phone call would have gone to an old call box, a red K2 telephone box.
	Totally. Made a call.
	And you think the generation now have no concept that you'd have to put money into a box to have a three-minute call, a tuppence or a tenpence or any of that.
	And it's ruined it for writers, I think, that novels set in the post-phone box world, for example, have a much, much harder time putting their characters through the mill.
	Because all we've got to do is pick out that...
	How are we ever going to know whether this happened?
	Well, we could just Google it. Oh, well, that's my plot finished.
	Yeah, yeah. Did you have a space hopper and a chopper?
	I had a space hopper and my best friend had a chopper.
	Yeah. I had a space hopper and a chopper and a tomahawk, which was the model below the chopper before you moved up to the...
	You were spoiled, mate.
	I was. It was how I rolled.
	But the thing I never got...
	And I never ever forgave my bastard father for this.
	Tracy Island? No.
	I wanted some clackers.
	Do you remember the clackers? The clack, clack, clack, clack, clack.
	Yeah, yeah. I had some of those.
	And he wouldn't get me for them because he thought I'd trap my fingers and it would hurt.
	Can you imagine? What a mean and evil father he was.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	As a result of that, there you are on this doing a podcast.
	The trauma has...
	That's the butterfly effect, isn't it?
	It's deep. My son has similar problems with me.
	He's never forgiven me for...
	We once went to a beach in...
	Four more probably...
	And there were two types of kite in the shop.
	And one was a sort of cheap, generic bat kite.
	And the other was a Harry Potter kite.
	And I bought him the cheap, genetic...
	Bat kites. Because I thought, why am I paying for branding this shit product?
	Yeah. And he has never, ever forgiven me.
	You did not buy me that.
	And it's only going to break. It's only going to break anyway.
	It's going to break.
	It's not like a Harry Potter kite is one of those...
	What are they called? Peter Powell kites, are they called?
	Oh, yes. The ones with the two handles that came in when we were...
	They were good. My dad made me a box kite.
	My dad was a bit of an inventor, so he made me this...
	It's quite a big thing.
	It got the thing out.
	It crashed a few times out there with a bit of Bostick glue and all of that old stuff.
	But we got it flying.
	But it was always the case that Dad...
	I was supposed to be going with him on the top of Windmill Hill, and he was the one that was doing...
	Flying. Well, he made the bloody thing.
	Well, he made it. And you watch this, Richard.
	It's like, yeah, I thought I was having a go.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Sorry, I just had a thought about the scale extract that we had.
	We had the best scale extract because we didn't have the shop-bought thing.
	We had this... I don't know Packaging.
	Or the widget that turns out to be essential to the brewing industry.
	Because that's what you want to get.
	You want a dad that invents something so important that he ends up richer than Dyson or Croesus or whatever.
	Because then you wouldn't have to try and find funding models for your business.
	Yeah, well, that is true.
	Although, you know, having to do all these hard things that we do makes us who we are.
	I mean, I appreciate it now, but I didn't then.
	I'll tell you something really interesting.
	It better be. Actually, not that interesting, but quite interesting.
	I tend not to read books about Normie world these days.
	But I'm just reading a biography of Gauguin.
	You know, Paul Gauguin?
	I don't know whether you're familiar with his work or...
	Okay, so Paul Gauguin was...
	Van Gogh was a massive fan of Gauguin's and actually they lived together for...
	A period of weeks in Arles when, I think, Van Gogh cut off his ear while Gauguin was staying with him.
	So it must have been quite tense.
	And he knew all the Impressionists.
	And then he's the one that went off to Tahiti to do these Polynesian beauties and so on.
	Anyway. He has the most fascinating life.
	Just absolutely amazing.
	I mean, he's quite highly rated as an artist now.
	If you had a Gauguin, you wouldn't need to do a podcast.
	Well, unless you kept it on your wall for inspiration, you'd sell it and you would never need to work again.
	So... But his life...
	I recommend this book to everyone.
	I can't remember who the author is, but it's the new biography of Gauguin, so you can't miss it.
	And the reason he became an artist...
	He was a really successful stockbroker.
	He made an absolute fortune in an era where insider trading was kind of okay.
	You're allowed. So he was just...
	I mean, rolling in it.
	And he had this hot wife, hot Danish wife, lovely children, used to give great dinner parties, friendly with the Impressionists artists, used to collect their art, really into art.
	But he was, you know, he owned his living out of dealing on the bourse.
	And then the stock market crash happened.
	And he lost everything.
	And he had to find a new career.
	And he decides, really having not done very much drawing or painting, he wants to become an artist.
	You imagine going from being an ex-stockbroker who's lost everything and unemployable in that field.
	Suddenly, right, I'm going to become an artist.
	And anyway, his whole life is like this.
	And you can see the way that hardship happens.
	And these deus ex machina, the way they appear in his life and completely shape everything and shape his character, shape his art and create this wonderful artist that you now see hanging on the...
	It's a really good book.
	Do you read much?
	Yes, all the time.
	I love it. My house is full of books.
	What's your reading preference?
	Oh, gosh. I read all sorts of different things at the moment.
	I'm reading some old agey street, which probably means nothing to you, but it's farming.
	Farming, old farming books.
	I love all these old 1930s of how we used to be, the things that were meaningful to people.
	Here in jolly old England.
	What else do I read?
	I'm just reading England Arise by Juliet Barker, the story of the Peasants' Revolt, which actually I just recorded a video about, which parallels where we are, because people back in 1381 were under this hugely tight squeeze and tacks to the hilt, and in the end, these are not having any of this.
	What do you think we should have a word with them?
	So they go to...
	Well, you obviously know that Peasants' Revolt and challenged Richard II, who was only 14.
	And so I'm reading that, which is a brilliant book.
	Juliet Barker has written about those sort of medieval times and the big battles of Agincourt and various things.
	What else am I reading?
	The true story of milk, about raw milk and how good raw milk is.
	Do you drink raw milk? I try to.
	There's a nice chap called Paul who does my hair, who is awake, and he sometimes goes to this farm in Leicestershire.
	In fact, this is a memo to Paul. Please, can you bring me some more of that raw milk?
	Because it's really good, and I love it.
	Yes. Fantastic, yes.
	You know about the Rothschild connection with raw milk, with milk, don't you?
	No, tell me. I think the only parliamentary bill which Lord Rothschild put through in the late 19th century was to do with pasteurising milk.
	There you go. Yeah, I know.
	There you go. Yes, on the history thing though.
	Sorry. No, I was only going to say my reading is very eclectic.
	So here's the thing.
	When I was a normie, I used to love history books, but now I've learned that history is as tainted as any field by what David Irving calls court historians, you know, and essentially historians who are sucking up to the system and just buoying up the official narrative.
	Yeah. And these are the books that get published after all by the main publishers.
	How can you trust any history that is put out by the main publishers anymore?
	Well, no, I mean, you're absolutely quite right.
	You're right. I've got a load of history books which I've bought over, you know, decades and half read, some read fully and, you know, have a sort of smattering of what history is in this world.
	And now you realise that everything from the fire of London upwards is all complete tosh.
	And so, but it's interesting, you know, to know something, Tosh, you kind of need to know what it was before, because there are probably elements of it that are true, but it's all his story, as they say.
	And as I said in the recording, it's yet to go out.
	I said, you know, this is the story of the Peasants' Revolt.
	Whether it's true, whether it really happened or not, actually doesn't make any difference.
	Because as a story, there are parallels to where we are today.
	The difference is they rose up violently, beheading chancellors and abbots and all sorts of dignitaries and the elites.
	And as much as it would be lovely to do all of that...
	We need to rise up and do this peacefully Because if we rise up violently Then there's more likely to have martial law and some of those rubber boat people you alluded to earlier Likely to be walking down the street with their Kalashnikovs or whatever so violence is never going to work, but the power of the pen and Non-consent I think in mass has got to be at least the starting point
	and then trials Nuremberg style trials even though Nuremberg may Bad example Bad example. It was rigged.
	Exactly. So, you know, you're kind of half talking in a language that normies understand and you're half then having to sort of correct yourself for people who are awake.
	It's a nightmare.
	I constantly find myself using sort of Nazis as the kind of the benchmark for pure evil analogies.
	And it...
	Nothing works anymore.
	You know, I mean, I'm definitely on the level where I think Churchill was definitely as bad as Hitler.
	Churchill was just an absolute, just monster.
	So it's quite, and most people are going around thinking, la la la, he was the greatest, he was our bulldog spirit.
	We will find them on the beaches.
	Yeah. They don't even know that he was so drunk when those speeches were recorded that they had to be done by a Churchill impersonator.
	Which is just...
	Exactly.
	Yeah. Before we go, I was just...
	Have you gone down the Antarctic rabbit hole?
	I haven't.
	I would like someone to come on and do it.
	That would be good.
	Some polar explorer to tell us what's there.
	If you or I find somebody good on Antarctica, let's have them on both our shows.
	I'm sure we'll ask different questions.
	The other one I want, I think it's really time I went down, is the Wilson and Blackett kind of The true history of Britain.
	King Arthur. Grab that hole.
	Yeah. I've just been reading...
	You know Wilson and Blackett? Yeah.
	I've just been reading...
	Adrian Gilbert, I think it is, who went with Wilson and Blackett and I've got their book, I forget what it's called, it's like Sovereign Country or the something like that, and it's the true story of the two Arthurs and the fascinating thing about that is that it said that so much of this history is in Welsh and the classicists just couldn't read it, didn't want to read it, couldn't be bothered to have it translated.
	And it's all in different journals and all over the place.
	And so it's not being looked at.
	And these guys have looked at it and they've gone round and, you know, they took Adrian Gilbert to some old shack next to the church.
	And there are these ancient stones with these carvings which are just sort of left there.
	It's all part of our true history and absolutely fascinating.
	Yeah. Can you remember the name of the book?
	I'll email it to you.
	Yeah, that sounds interesting.
	It's a three-word title like This Sovereign Land or This...
	Yeah, something like this golden lens or something like that.
	I can't remember now. It's when the Alzheimer's kicks in, you know, in your late 50s.
	Yeah, it's what they're spraying.
	That's what I'm... It's all the aluminium.
	It's what... Yeah, it is.
	Luckily, I'm not in my late 50s, so I don't know what you're talking about.
	Yeah, yeah. Good one.
	Good one. Yeah.
	Well, I'm feeling it's time for my cup of tea.
	Yeah, me too. Time for my injection.
	You can't say that anymore, can you?
	You can't say, oh, it's time for my injection.
	You know, if you have 10 boosters, you get a free coffin thrown in, don't you?
	That's the new deal. Yeah.
	Saves the waiting list. Yeah.
	I feel such a dick. It's been lovely.
	Thank you. I've really enjoyed it.
	I was just thinking, I used to be like, yeah, shove it in my arm.
	I'm going on holiday again, and I'm going down to the Trail Finder's Clinic, and yeah, they can fit me in.
	They'll happily do a smallpox booster, and I was so kind of jab macho about it.
	Pillock. Well, it's a journey.
	It's a journey. But thank you so much for inviting me on your wonderful podcast.
	It's been an absolute pleasure to laugh and jostle.
	It's been great. It's been great.
	Oh, I wanted to ask you.
	I've been accused of being controlled opposition because of my background.
	I imagine you have as well.
	Oh, my goodness. Only this morning I had another letter saying, you know, you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
	I suspect you're controlled opposition.
	I did a show, a live show, standing up in front of people and we had questions and they, for whatever reason, they decided instead of putting their hand up, they would all come on bits of paper.
	So I was reading these and the first one was, are you gay?
	And the lovely Julia comes with me and I said, well, you'd have to make your own mind up.
	Maybe I'm bisexual, who knows?
	And then the next one was, are you controlled opposition?
	And I said, well, how do you answer that?
	What am I supposed to say?
	If I say no, you're not going to believe me.
	And if I say yes, you're all going to run out or you're going to hang me up by my short and curlies.
	I said, you've just got to look at what I do, look into my background, think whether I'm making sense or not, and make your own decision.
	I mean, how can you...
	Do you know...
	I've never yet met anybody who's so-called controlled opposition, because if they're being paid a huge amount of money, that would be quite useful.
	Not that I want to be controlled opposition, but no one's come up to me and says, here Richard, if we put a few million in your bank, will you just carry on but say this narrative and just keep that going?
	If that's how it works, I mean, I don't know how it works.
	I don't know how it works.
	I think there's a huge myth about this controlled opposition stuff because it's all about infighting, isn't it?
	No, I think the opposite, actually.
	I'm kind of lightly paranoid in that I've come to the conclusion that the only people...
	I totally, totally trust, does not control opposition, are my brother Dick and my sister Helen.
	I was going to say your mum and dad, yeah. Yeah, oh, and my dad and my mum.
	Yeah. Yes. Everybody else potentially could be.
	Everyone else is potentially, because I've come to the point where I think they're quite devious, the baddies.
	But then isn't that back to my whiteboard about all the jigsaw puzzle where you're going, everything is white clean and we've now got to try and work out what's true and what's not true.
	And we're all going, I think that's true, but it's a question mark.
	Is that Richard Vobes, a controlled opposition?
	I've had him on the show for nearly two hours.
	Has he misled me?
	Has he misled the audience? Yeah, no, for what it's worth, I think you're probably not.
	Very generous of you.
	It's big of me, isn't it?
	It really is. Thanks.
	Until you brought it up.
	Use that on your promo.
	Probably not controlled opposition, James Dellingpole.
	Mate... Yeah.
	Have it. Have it. Yeah.
	For free. And then those people who think that you are will be going, oh yeah, Vobes by association.
	They will. I mean, in the end, I just laugh at all this because it's paranoia that is, is it helping?
	You know, because even if, you know, I've met Neil Oliver, he's a lovely bloke, and they've said, oh yes, he's controlled opposition, and you just think...
	Well, if he's woken you up, if he's alerted you to something that you didn't know, he's not done a very good job, has he?
	Or anybody, anybody.
	Because I keep saying to people, don't believe me, don't take my word for it, go and look this up for yourself.
	But you know what people are like?
	Yeah. They're all...
	Well, I'll just go and listen to James instead.
	He's probably got a better answer than that Vobes bloke.
	LAUGHTER It's been great having you, Richard.
	Thank you so much. Really, it's been fun.
	Tell everyone where they...
	YouTube, that's a tell.
	Yeah, YouTube. Oh, where to find me?
	Where they can find you, yeah.
	Yes, my name is...
	It's not my real name, because it's just a legal fiction.
	Richard Vobes, V-O-B-E-S, and I'm on YouTube.
	And that's it? Is that the only place?
	Yes. I have Rumble as a backup, and I think, I can't remember whether it's Odyssey or the other one now, but it's just you two.
	I can't be arsed with all these.
	Yeah, but it's just a question of preparing your lifeboats for when you hit the, not that it did hit an iceberg, but pretending the Titanic.
	I've been through the choppy sea, yeah.
	I've been to, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, it hadn't been blown up by JP Morgan.
	Exactly. Yes, I know what you mean, having a...
	I'm just sailing close to...
	You see, I trust in God to protect me.
	Yeah, well, there's another reason, you see.
	He's just waiting for you to ask, and then he'll, you know...
	He'll come forward.
	Yeah. I've got a cup of tea waiting for him.
	With the biscuits?
	With those biscuits! Right, well, it only remains for me to thank my beloved viewers and listeners.
	Thank you for listening to Richard and I wittering away.
	All this time. If you, by any chance, you enjoyed it and you want to support me and you want to get early access to this kind of rubbish, then what you do, support me on Subscribestar or Locals.
	Or Patreon, or Subscribestar, or...
	No, what's the main one? Substack.
	Substack is the one people are generally going to.
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	Press the subscribe button.
	Is there a subscribe button?
	Yeah, do that if you want.
	Yeah, okay. Thank you.
	Thank you, Richard. My pleasure.

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