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Sasha Latipova, welcome back to The Daling Pod.
I so enjoyed our last conversation.
I was thrilled, actually.
I was flattered when you said, can I come on to talk about my latest discovery?
And I thought, well, yeah, great.
Great.
Yeah.
I mean, you're always good.
Thank you.
No, just remind everybody who you are and what you do.
Yeah, so my name is Sasha Lotypova.
I'm now an independent writer on Substack and I write a publication called Due Diligence and Art and it has to do mostly with health, sort of public health fraud and countermeasures and COVID vaccines, which are countermeasures and all sorts of associated issues.
But also as part of the, you know, as part of my work, I look at all kinds of related topics and trying to understand the history, trying to understand what happened.
And so, you know, in my previous life, I was a pharmaceutical executive and I worked for about 25 years in pharma R&D, running clinical trials for For all kinds of companies, including Pfizer.
I was a client for many years.
How many innocent people have you killed, do you think?
None.
Actually, zero.
My work, especially last, I would say, I had several companies.
Initially, we were doing imaging data analysis in imaging trials.
So just looking at standard imaging techniques, but making them more accurate for purposes of drug development, which was like, you know, if you image cancer in oncology or you image arthritis in the knee, you know, we were working on better techniques of measuring those images. we were working on better techniques of measuring those images.
But in the last decade or so, I worked with a company that did cardiovascular safety screenings.
So we were actually preventing the drugs from killing people by excluding them from pipelines of pharmaceutical companies.
So because we could tell early from animal data or from early human data that this drug is going to be potentially dangerous for arrhythmia, so we would screen them out.
you know, so that they won't go on the market and kill people.
And in our clinical trials, it was so, so tightly controlled and monitored.
It was absolutely no, we never had even, you know, severe adverse event or anything like that.
Uh, and so, uh, I, that's why I was shocked when I started looking into this area, into vaccines and realizing it's completely unregulated.
It's not regulated at all as I was expecting it to be regulated.
And so that was the main finding and that's why, you know, I and my colleague Catherine are now writing about this, about how these products are not regulated and how they're actually systematically poisoning people by pretending that these are pharmaceuticals and they're not regulated like pharmaceuticals.
If only the public knew, eh?
If only the public knew!
I mean, I used to be a journalist, Sasha, and I have to say, I had maybe this romantic notion of what journalists are supposed to do, but that story would have been very high on my list of perfect stories.
If I had to imagine one, it would be like a whole industry is, in the guise of public health, Literally and deliberately poisoning people on a massive scale.
Yeah.
Nobody knows about this.
Nobody's stopping them.
No.
And when I talk to anybody, I mean, I usually don't, you know, provide my opinions on soliciting, you know, just kind of like a social setting.
And, you know, I just talk about weather and normal topics and I pretend, you know, everything is good.
But, you know, even occasionally when people ask me and I give them like one sentence, I see this, you know, wall coming and they're like, you lady, you're crazy and you're just one of those conspiracies and they, you know, and I'm like, okay, fine, I'll spare your feelings.
And, you know, and we continue talking about the weather.
But, you know, you probably run into the same situation over and over again, right?
But I'm like, hey, first of all, I'm not crazy.
Second of all, I am professional.
You are not.
You know, I have spent decades working in the industry I know what it is supposed to be just like you know in journalism you're supposed to be covering newsworthy things be honest ethical you're not supposed to stage your events you're not supposed to turn away not help somebody who is being like killed in front of you for the purposes of taking that shot you know and but it's being done all the time and the same thing happens in pharmaceutical industry but it's worse because
It's systematic.
You know, people are being forced into it.
The experts and professionals are being brainwashed into this.
While we haven't covered and you know, my colleague Catherine is writing actually a huge report.
She calls it a beast.
She's working with another researcher on this.
They're going back through entire U.S.
pharmaceutical law to the 1700s and tracing this.
And showing how vaccines have never been regulated.
There was never intent to regulate them.
In fact, they always have created the space where they pretend regulated, they're fake regulated, so that the public thinks that they're safe.
Yeah.
It's extraordinary how far back it goes.
Yeah.
I mean, I was looking at another substat today on Louis Pasteur.
Complete fraud.
Faked all his.
Total, yeah.
And was probably a paedophile and was probably a high-level Freemason as well.
But that doesn't get mentioned in the hagiography.
It's about Louis Pasteur.
We named pasteurized milk after him.
He saved so many lives.
Yeah.
So we now can like bulldoze the farms of the farmers who dare to sell like a pint of raw milk to somebody.
And send, you know, FBI agents, you know, to just... Yeah, like in the US... You mentioned that.
Do you realize that the first, I think, possibly the only piece of legislation that when Lord Rothschild was in the Houses of Parliament, guess what he got involved with?
Raw milk?
Yeah, raw milk.
He wanted raw milk to be pasteurised or sterilised or something.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah, it's just so bizarre.
Yeah, when you start looking at these historical examples, and, you know, the reason I contacted you is because one of the historical examples Catherine and I ran into, and this became a huge epiphany for me, is Charles Richet, who was a French researcher in that time, so he worked in early 1900s.
In 1913, he was given a Nobel Prize for this work.
And he is credited with the work on anaphylaxis, although he wasn't the only one, but so he received the Nobel Prize.
And so that to me, you know, opened so much Kind of I was like aha, of course, you know, why didn't I see this before?
But basically, you know when you look at this work and then when you look what preceded and what went after You kind of understand a few things.
First of all Everybody who is Let's say, closely familiar with this history and work, cannot think that it's possible to vaccinate.
It's impossible to vaccinate for anything.
And Richer has demonstrated it conclusively and was given Nobel Prize for it.
Which is normally a bad sign, by the way.
I mean, isn't it?
I'm very suspicious of anyone who gets the Nobel Prize, because that prize is dodgy as, isn't it?
The prize is dodgy.
And it's interesting that he was given the Nobel Prize while he never himself said it's impossible to vaccinate.
But when you read his work, you know it's impossible to vaccinate.
But I think they gave him the prize because he figured out how to poison everyone by sensitizing them to the most commonly occurring things in their environment.
It's the most ingenious way of poisoning.
He was a bad guy.
Yes, he was.
He was a committed eugenicist, which at that time, you know, everyone should realize eugenicism was a fashionable society attitude, right?
So, you know, all the well-to-do classes were subscribing to it.
The good breeding was always, you know, promoted.
And at the time, the sentiment was, well, how can we help the poor classes Being less dirty and less numerous, okay?
And so... Make them less numerous, aka kill them.
Because the sight of them is so offensive to us when we ride our horses through the park and, you know, and then there's like them, you know.
So what can we do?
Yeah, yeah.
What can we do about it?
And what can we do about it became into let's figure out how to control their overbreeding because they tend to reproduce too much and they tend to live in crowded conditions.
And they tend to have poor hygiene and no sanitation.
So instead of working on those issues, they all decided, oh, let's vaccinate them.
And actually the same thing continues with Bill Gates in Africa and India for the same reason, right?
And, you know, but all of these thoughts extended now to us, to normal people, right?
Now all of the globalists and this, you know, elites, I don't call them elites, But they all think of us that way.
That's, you know, that's what people need to understand.
The eugenics never went away.
They all still think that way.
They all still think that they should poison us and limit our reproduction because, you know, we're polluting the earth now.
We're causing the climate change, whatever those ideas are.
But they're brainwashing themselves and their followers into thinking that this is actually acceptable.
It's acceptable to poison people.
It's acceptable to sterilize people.
It's acceptable to lie to people.
Because it's for the greater good, you know?
Yeah.
So what started with Richer continues today.
That's really interesting.
I don't think I've ever heard this theory before.
But it's immediately very persuasive.
So Richer Worked out that there is this thing called an anaphylactic shock or anaphylactic reaction which occurs about 21 days after an initial Traumatic experience?
Like an injection or a bite or something?
Or a sting?
Is that right?
Yes.
So, he originally started working on it.
He was funded by the Prince of Monaco.
So, the Prince of Monaco took him on his yacht to study a jellyfish in Portugal.
I think the Men of War.
Because the stings of it are very dangerous and produce anaphylaxis.
And so they went to study that jellyfish and when they came back, Richey started working on a substitute for jellyfish, which is like a sea anemone.
And so he collected the tentacles of the sea anemone and dissolved them in glycerin.
And then in his book, he calls this the virus of actinaria.
So it was very clear from the very beginning, the viral theory wasn't anything about these particles that randomly fly around.
and jump strangers and cause infectious diseases.
It was all about poisoning.
It was, they called viruses, poisons were called viruses.
So he made poison.
He describes how he made it.
Took to tentacles, put in glycerin, dissolved.
Oh, this is my virus that I'm going to study now in animals.
So he studied it in dogs mostly and poisoned a lot of dogs.
Documented everything very pedantically.
And if you read it, you can see that he figured out that, yes, if you inject some poison Which may be even not noticed at the beginning.
So they may have no reaction or they may have some mild reaction like a rash or something.
And then a certain number of days goes by and typically it's 20 days.
Then after that on the 21st day, 22nd day you inject them.
Even the minute dose, which is not considered dangerous at all, may create in some percentage of them a very violent illness or even death and he called it anaphylactic shock.
Now, what he also discovered that it doesn't have to be poison.
That, you know, in subsequent experiments and him and other people have shown that it doesn't have to be a poison at all or something considered poisonous.
It could be something considered benign like milk, for example.
it can produce the same effect as this tentacles of actinaria thing.
How do you do it with milk?
Just the same thing.
You inject milk.
Sorry, sorry, it's got to be injected.
Yeah, sorry.
Yeah, inject it, inject it.
So the whole point is any protein, especially of mammalian origin, but not only, because all kinds of proteins can be produced from things like food, like milk, like wheat, like corn, soy, peanuts, other nuts, gelatin, you know, cholesterol now.
All kinds of proteins, which are considered safe things because we eat them, if injected into the bloodstream, produce this effect.
So, and that was known in 1913.
That's what he was given Nobel Prize for.
The Federal Reserve was created.
Oh, yes.
And I think they gave him a prize because Nobel Prize tends to have, especially in this, you know, medicine and physiology, but in other things, tends to reward weapons.
Okay.
It was weapons or things that can be used as weapons.
And Yeah, so he created a perfect poisoning weapon, or he created the theory of the most perfect poisoning weapon is you weaponize the person's body against itself when it interacts with normal environment.
So, sorry to sidetrack you, but we were discussing earlier, weren't we, that milkshake I was drinking, and I told you it's got peanut butter in it to give it a bit of protein.
And you said you're not allergic to peanuts.
And I know that the generation younger than me, massive, massive amounts of peanut allergies.
People have to carry EpiPens around in case their child gets exposed to peanuts on an aeroplane or whatever and they die.
And it's awful and you hear terrible stories.
Is that caused by Do they put peanut oil in the vaccines or something?
In the vaccines, yes.
Yes, exactly.
So this allergy is 100% vaccine-induced.
So, you know, I am also, I'm 53.
I was growing up in the Soviet Union.
Vaccine schedule was very short, maybe three, four vaccines.
I did not know that you can have food allergies.
I had no idea.
I mean, and I came to the U.S.
and like I was 26 years old.
Up until 26 years old, I have no idea that food allergies are a thing.
Never heard of a peanut allergy, you know, even though we had peanuts.
I did not know that children could have cancer.
Wasn't a thing.
I did not know about autism.
The first time I saw a Rain Man movie, I was shocked.
I was like, what does this guy have?
What is it?
Yeah.
You know, because I've never experienced it.
The only, you know, and I went to large schools and I only saw one kid with Down syndrome and it was very, very mild because he was studying normally with other kids.
And even like learning English, you know, foreign language.
Is Down syndrome another vaccine thing?
Yes, it's vaccination of mothers primarily.
So that was my only experience with any sort of developmental abnormality in children.
It was this kid.
Nobody was overweight.
Obesity, forget it.
A little bit plump kid would be called overweight and bullied.
Good old-fashioned.
Yeah, but we ate sugar all the time and fat all the time.
We only had seed oils, so there's nothing else.
It was only seed oils and margarine, and butter was too expensive.
And we drank water from the river that was polluted by 200 industrial plants.
There was leaded gasoline exhaust everywhere, and we ate fruit from the trees.
We didn't care.
So, when people today talk about toxic food in the West, okay, toxic food and toxic environment and, you know, and everybody is poisoning us with these processed foods, it's gaslighting and misdirection from vaccines.
Okay, so... That's really interesting.
Wow.
Yes.
That is amazing what you're saying.
Yeah.
Well, it's one of the reasons I so like you, because you cut through.
I mean, you're not afraid of bulldozing your way through these pieties, these sacred cows, if you can bulldoze a sacred cow, even of awake people.
There are things that awake people believe out of a sort of religious faith.
One of them is seed oils are the worst, most toxic thing in the world, and you know.
Another is, yeah, sugar gives you cancer and everything else besides, and the little baby cancers eat it all up and they love it, you know.
And what else?
Well, you know, once you have cancer, yeah, like eating sugar will feed cancer and you need to do like starvation diets and stuff like that to eliminate cancer.
But if you're normal, if you're not unvaccinated, I'm telling you, if you are unvaccinated, your child is unvaccinated, you can eat whatever you like.
A reasonably varied diet will never give you cancer.
And you shouldn't be afraid of seed oils.
I grew up only with seed oil.
There was no other oil.
It was only sunflower oil in Ukraine.
It produces lots of sunflowers and sunflower oil is the only thing that everybody uses for cooking, eating, anything.
Yeah, of course.
It doesn't give you cancer.
But it does if you've been jabbed.
If you've been jabbed, yes, you will be anaphylactized to something.
And that's something, and what they also developed, you know, when Richer was doing his experiments, they were pretty crude.
So at the time it was kind of like, let's test all these substances and see, you know, what they, how much of anaphylaxis they produce and so forth.
Early vaccines were notoriously, so what he discovered, number one, people need to remember, is that it is impossible to predict anaphylactic reaction or anaphylactic state.
It's impossible to predict who, which, if you inject a group of 100 people, which, you know, 20% of them will be anaphylactized.
We don't know.
And we still don't know.
There is no way to predict it upfront.
Second most important thing is that At the time that he discovered it, a bunch of other researchers called milder reactions allergy and he was against it.
He said it's the same phenomenon.
You shouldn't call it a different name.
But of course, they went ahead and started calling it allergy because they want you to get away from the idea that this is an anaphylactic reaction.
So today, all the experts, if you ask them or people from the street, if you ask them what is anaphylaxis, they say, oh, it's a shock.
It's when somebody just, you know, drops down because their blood pressure dropped.
You know, very quickly.
And that's that.
But it's not just that.
It's anything.
Anything from mild rash to drop in death.
Right.
Right.
And the problem is that over time, the vaccine industry figured out how to hide anaphylaxis in mild allergic reactions.
But they're not... Yeah.
Even stuff like hay fever?
Yes.
It's anaphylaxis.
Because I get haphy.
I tell you what I used to wonder, Sasha.
I used to wonder when I was reading, say, Thomas Hardy novels set in the countryside, or imagine shepherds frolicking in pastoral poetry.
And I used to think, well, how did they cope with hay fever?
What did they do?
Because there must have been an awful lot of pollen around in those days.
And of course, you've kind of answered the question.
They didn't have that problem because they didn't have the problem.
It started developing the hay fever.
I'm reading now, some colleagues send me references, so I'll have another article on this.
But it appears that hay fever also originates kind of at the beginning of early, early attempts at vaccinations.
And it didn't seem to happen before.
And so, yes, it's also a form of anaphylaxis, a milder one.
Now, because it's to pollen, it's not actually as bad as mammalian sourced proteins or food sourced proteins like wheat and corn and soy.
And those reactions, while, you know, they can be mild and very difficult to trace, and especially, you know, the deniability factor goes up, if your reactions are kind of developing over time way after you got vaccinated, so you can never tie it back to this.
So, when your child develops a food allergy, like gluten allergy, first of all, you don't even realize what it's allergy to.
They might start having migraines, they might start having some stomachache, or some diarrhea or some lethargy or some like, you know, these very strange symptoms that you don't know.
Maybe it was like he was tired today, you know, so forth.
So then you start running around through, you know, becomes worse over time.
You start running around through specialists.
They tell you all kinds of BS.
Then you start doing all these crazy elimination diets to try to figure out what is it.
And then 10 years later, your child has an autoimmune condition like RA or lupus, which happened to my husband, for example.
And, you know, And it was a vaccine 10 years ago.
But now, of course, the vaccine industry says, oh, no, no, no.
It's your rare genetic mutation.
It's hereditary.
So victim blaming starts.
It's your bad genes.
Or it's your bad food habits, because you're eating seed oils and sugar.
Or maybe because you live near the power line.
It's those bad power lines.
We should have less of those.
And we should cram everyone into the cities and remove the infrastructure.
Right?
Those are the common ways of how they gaslight you to look away from those injections.
I can believe this.
So, the gluten allergy, for example, what do they put in the injections that give you gluten allergy?
Yeah, so the gluten allergy is so pervasive now because a lot of vaccines contain albumins.
And albumins actually are used widely in different other injectables.
Typically, and you can look at it, so what, you can see it online, actually it will give you this answer.
So Richie said colloids cause Typically, colloids, chemical name for colloids, cause anaphylaxis and crystalloids do not cause anaphylaxis.
So, colloids is something like milk or wheat albumin.
So, albumins are derived from wheat and used in a bunch of injections as vehicle.
So, they cause anaphylaxis.
Crystalloids, like table salt, like some small drug that can be crystallized as a salt and dissolvable in water.
Those typically do not cause anaphylaxis.
So wheat is used to make albumins and also rice and corn and other cereals.
And these albumins are often included into vaccines as vehicle, as adjuvants, as they're also included albumin is used in infusions.
If there is a, you know, trauma and big blood loss, it actually, you know, it helps to sustain the person.
But they can produce anaphylaxis and the daemon says as a warning that they can produce anaphylaxis.
So because these wheat and corn and soy proteins have been routinely In the vaccines and peanut oil.
Peanut oil, even New York Times wrote about it when they used to do journalism like a long time ago.
They wrote about it that it was in Merck vaccine.
It was found that it causes peanut allergies, severe peanut allergies.
So what do they do?
Well, they rename it into Adjuvant 65 so that you don't know what it is.
And they continue using it.
And they do the same thing with these other proteins.
They name them with different other names.
Do you know what's really sad?
identify and they say, "Oh, these are generally considered safe because... and the FDA also gives them a pass.
That's how they don't regulate any of this.
These are food.
So they're generally considered safe.
And so of course, go ahead and inject them." Yes?
Do you know what's really sad?
If I showed this video, this podcast to most of my normie friends and relatives...
They'd disown you even more?
Well, they just go, who is this mad Ukrainian woman with her, you know, her nonsense about that she's made up because she's weird and she's from behind the Iron Curtain and... Oh, yeah, no.
Yeah, they'd make any number of excuses why they wouldn't believe what you're saying because they wouldn't...
But I mean, I can give you a whole bunch of English sources from not behind their heads.
No, but it wouldn't be about the sources.
They would find some way of persuading themselves that you were an unreliable witness.
Because the programming is so strong.
It is so strong.
Everyone knows that vaccines are a medical miracle.
We've been fed this for generations.
Yeah, I also thought about it quite a bit.
I myself became shocked at how many people have this extreme brain programming, I would say, on this topic.
For example, I even, I was, you know, hugely disappointed people who I highly admire as, you know, the sharpest, the most critical thinkers out there.
You know, most recently, for example, Rupert Sheldrake, if you've heard of him.
Oh, I wanted to get him on the podcast.
Tell me, has he been disappointing?
Actually, if you do, can I get in touch with him?
I really would like to ask him this question.
And because I love the guy.
I absolutely, I think he's one of the smartest people in the world living today.
And the most critical thinker too, because, you know, I read a couple of his books.
I listened to his TEDx lecture that got censored by TEDx.
And, you know, he figured out some amazing things.
Like, for example, that the speed of light is not constant.
Did you know that?
I didn't know that.
Well, it turns out it's not.
And other physical constants are also not constant.
So the speed of light apparently is changing.
And up until 1973, I think, it was recorded by many labs.
They would measure it every now and then, and they would record that it actually went down by 20 miles, and then it went up again.
You know, in 1973, the British metrology office or institute did a brilliant thing and decided to hard-code it.
They said, oh, well, the meter is now a product of the speed of light, and therefore we can never measure the speed of light accurately anymore, and we have to deem it constant.
Rupert Sheldrake actually went and talked to them and figured it all out.
And there's numerous things like that.
He calls bullshit on DNA science, which I completely agree with.
I'm like, yeah, yeah!
I wanted to ask you about that next, when you finish your story about Rupert Sheldrake.
So, anyway, so I was like, yes!
When I was reading his book about DNA, I was like, you're beautiful!
You just, you figured all of this out!
Then, in his book, you get to the medicine and vaccines, and he thinks vaccines are the best.
And I was like, oh my god, I can't, like, my world has been shattered now.
Yeah, it's like when you discover Madonna's a man.
It's just like, it's So my question was why people fall for this?
Even the smartest people like Sheldrake.
Why do they fall for this?
And my theory today is that it goes very fundamentally to the coping mechanism with our own mortality.
So, there are productive ways and empowering ways of thinking about your own mortality, but there are also very unhealthy ways, obviously.
And they typically devolve into a couple of things, like a death cult with sacrifices, with human sacrifices, with, like, animal sacrifices, or a technocracy cult that says... And that's the cult that wants to replace God with technology and the expert priest class, right?
So they're telling you, oh, forget this whole thing about, you know, what they tell you about the source of, you know, God as a source of life and humans being unique and having a soul.
So they want to remove the idea of the soul completely out and say, well, your human body is nothing different than a bunch of rocks.
It just has a different chemistry.
And we'll figure this all out and find all these particles and figure out how they work and then we'll fix it.
And then we will bestow immortality.
So, I think because these concepts, they cover both religious and atheist ideas, and they promised us, oh, we'll fix everything, so many people fall for it.
I've just had a disturbing thought.
Isn't there a Coldplay song called Fix You?
I think there might be.
The programming is deep.
Yes.
And what people need to realise, there is nothing to fix.
You are made perfect.
I know.
From day one.
Tasha, I'm so pissed off about this.
I'm thinking about the perfect self that got destroyed when my mother...
got persuaded to give me all these injections, which gave me hay fever, irritable bowel syndrome, probably completely messed up my teeth, gave me all the kind of, yeah, all the stuff that goes wrong with me all the time.
Yeah.
It's annoying, isn't it?
It's annoying.
I should have gone to the Soviet Union.
And even worse thought I can give you is me as a mother destroying the health of my daughter.
I have to like it as well.
Knowing this, I have to live with this for the rest of my life.
Yes.
It's horrible, isn't it?
Because I was lied to.
Just like your mother was lied to.
Yeah.
And I believe them.
And, you know... Do you know what?
In the very, very early days of the pandemic, when I was still thinking, I still believed in, kind of, there was a killer virus going around.
And I thought, I know!
I'll get prepared.
And so I actually went and got my children to have... I think I'd read something about cytokine storms and I'd read something about how what really got you was the pneumonia or something.
So I made them get I got one myself and I was thinking, I'm really clever.
I'm going to survive this apocalypse.
And so are my children because I've got them vaccinated.
It's awful how they do these tricks with us.
It is awful.
And actually, so, you know, the second part of anaphylaxis, what's interesting about it, you know, thinking about anaphylaxis.
Also, this theory helps you explain the infectious disease in general, or what's considered infectious disease.
As you know, there's this raging debate about, you know, viruses haven't been isolated, viruses don't exist.
I agree they haven't been isolated, and I agree that they don't exist as sort of flying around random particles that infect people.
So, the anaphylaxis may explain both what was COVID epidemic or whatever, in those places where there was some unique symptoms of COVID, what was it, likely, which was probably they anaphylactized people through flu injections that were given in that fall.
And then it can explain also ancient or, you know, medieval plagues and so forth.
Like cholera and the plague and smallpox and other typical diseases at the time.
There are also forms of anaphylaxis, except those are natural forms of anaphylaxis.
So you can have natural anaphylaxis by, and we are familiar, you know, you can be stung by a bee.
Yeah.
And if it's within, you know, if you have like a couple of stings within a certain period of time, you may get anaphylactic reaction.
Yeah.
Or this, you know, man-of-war jellyfish.
And there are some other things that people become anaphylactized to naturally through insect bites or animal bites.
And what happened with the plagues?
Well, they're natural forms of anaphylaxis by mostly rats or fleas and lice that bite people and people living in close proximity to each other with the open sewer where the rats are getting these proteins, these toxic proteins.
and then bite people, and if this happens often enough within a specific area, you may start an epidemic of cholera, where before, you can study what's in people's guts, and you can see that cholera is there.
It just doesn't cause anything.
But it does cause it, cause the epidemic, when you anaphylactize them through these mechanisms.
Right.
Well, it wouldn't be hard, being bitten by fleas more than Yeah, two times with a pre-specified window and enough people bitten around you, and you all start having the symptomatic illness.
Same thing with smallpox, likely, you know, there are other vectors, like, for example, horseflies.
Horses were huge in the cities.
Again, crowded conditions.
Sewer, open sewer, horse manure, the other sewage, flies are like crazy.
The reason why, for example, New York has all these high walk-up steps, buildings, was just so that the manure wouldn't, like, pour into the windows.
And it was a huge problem in New York City, horse manure, until they invented the car.
So the car actually helped us with the epidemics, the refrigeration, and the air conditioning, so you couldn't close the windows, and of course plumbing and water sanitation.
So those things removed all of those vectors from the cities, especially where people lived in crowded conditions.
And so they stopped all of those epidemics.
And notice that around like 1950s when all of this basically got under control, people started being healthier, living longer, we have baby boom.
Now, oops, all of these globalists all of a sudden become intensely interested in vaccination programs and they start writing all these plans about population control and, you know, all that because they're realizing, oh my god, like now we're going to have a population growth.
Yeah.
And then they started putting in all these control programs.
I noticed this when I was researching my book on global warming.
And in the second half, I read a few, some of the literature.
There was a book by Harrison Brown.
There was a very popular environmentalist in the 1950s.
And what really shone through these books, which were lapped up by the kind of people who founded the Club of Rome, who were all these kind of elites, well, we don't call them elites, but very, very rich people.
And what shines through, and through the statements of Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, the wife of the Queen, they are repelled by the mass of humanity.
They really do think that we ordinary folk are like vermin that need to be Yeah, it needs to be made extinct.
And that's what they believe.
And they have believed since forever.
Yeah.
And this attitude, you can see it everywhere.
You know, you can see it from The aristocracy in the, you know, older times or these, you know, elites today or our public health officials, you know, the same attitude comes across from Francis Collins, who was the head of NIH.
These people, I think, you know... Dr. Collins?
Francis Collins, yeah.
He is the one who said, this is a quote, I was talking to Senator Johnson on this matter a couple of years ago, and At the time, Senator Johnson was asking Francis Collins somewhere in the hallway of Congress, like, you know, we have 3,000 deaths recorded in VAERS from these COVID vaccines.
This is terrible.
Yeah, it is.
At that time, 3,000.
Now we have 40,000 recorded or something.
And that's just recorded.
And they're underreported by about 100x.
But he, at the time, it was maybe a few months into the rollout of the vaccine program.
He looked at the airs, he saw 3,000 deaths recorded, he stopped Francis Collins somewhere on the way and said, you know, do you know about this?
What's going on?
This is terrible.
And Francis Collins' reply was, people die.
And he went off.
Who is Francis Collins?
He's the head of NIH.
Was.
He retired.
Ah, because do you know about... This is a good little rabbit hole.
Do you know about the Collins family?
The Collins are one of the 13 satanic bloodlines.
Have you heard of Fritz Springmeier?
No.
Fritz Springmeier wrote this very well-researched book on the bloodline families.
Rothschilds is one of them, Rockefellers, and one of them is Collins.
And all these families are essentially satanic, as you can well imagine.
And Collins, the Collins family, own The District of Columbia.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh-huh.
Well, he seems... he... he seems... yes, I would say satanic in a sense.
You can even see his facial expressions sometimes.
Sometimes I watch people's videos without sound, just to observe the facial expressions, and that tells you a bunch of things.
And you can see him, his wife next to him.
His wife occasionally, when he talks, looks terrified.
And... That's not normal, is it?
Because mostly it's the men who are terrified of their wives, so he must be... He must be... And yeah, the guy is sicko.
Like, definitely really, really bad person.
I don't know, it may be not even a person anymore, But it's something else, you know.
And these people are terrifying.
Their attitude, I think they will stop at nothing.
And absolutely, they know that they're killing children.
And actually, most of them probably get off on this idea.
Just briefly, I'm sure I've asked you about your religion before.
Are you Orthodox?
Yes.
So, what happens in Orthodox theology?
What happens to these bad people?
Well, they go to hell.
Yeah, they go to hell.
I mean, it's the same as other Christian denominations.
Yeah, these people go to hell.
My personal opinion, they're already in hell.
Yeah.
You know, and it's visible on their faces.
We're supposed to pray for them, aren't we?
We're supposed to pray for them.
We're supposed to, you know, There's supposed to be forgiveness if they repent.
There needs to be a sincere repentance.
But I don't know.
They're in love with their sin.
Actually, that's an interesting one.
Humour me on this one.
Somebody I know has done something really, really bad.
I don't have to forgive them, do I, until they repent?
Or do I?
Am I supposed to forgive them before repentance?
Well, you know, I can tell you what the Orthodox tradition says.
We say, even if somebody really hurt you, did something bad to you, and they tell you, I'm sorry, the response is, you know, God will forgive you.
You're not obligated.
You're a limited human being.
You can hate them.
Just don't do anything bad.
I mean, you can have bad feelings but don't do anything bad.
There are really things I like about the Orthodox Church.
I mean, there's lots of things.
I like the icons.
I was in Moldova recently.
And I was, yeah, and I was entertained, or a group of us were entertained by the abbot or whatever of the monastery.
And we had this fantastic spread.
I thought it was for a wedding, but it was for us.
And he had these servants, you know, in suits and stuff and pouring out champagne and these The brandy that we had to drink in shots down in one, and we had to crack eggs, colored eggs, and we had to eat lots of cake and stuff, all in the name of Easter and celebration.
Easter, yeah, okay.
But it was great!
I thought, yeah, this is a good church.
It is a good church, but I mean, yeah, so like, I want to also people understand, Well, you know, you can have a really good church community, you can have a really good priest who understands the religion deeply and is a good person, but you also have to remember always, you are in a man-made institution and you are interacting with the man-made institution.
Your relationship, well, with Christianity and Orthodox Christianity, your relationship with God is your personal relationship.
The priest may provide advice, but you're not obligated to.
You know, a lot of, unfortunately, a lot of religious institutions devolve into cults also.
And so they all suffer from the same problem.
It's that people delegate authority and delegate their critical thinking and decisions for themselves to somebody.
Whether it's the church, the priest, the doctrine, the scientific doctrine, Technocracy, aristocracy, anyone.
Anyone but yourself, right?
So I think also another very good book, although the guy is, you know, sort of Marxist, but he wrote a really good book, Eric Fromm, if you have read it.
I've read it, yeah.
So the most important one is Escape from Freedom.
And actually not all of it, but maybe just the beginning parts.
Escape from Freedom.
So he identified this idea and he was writing about the Nazi Germany and how did it happen that all these people supported fascism.
The same question we have now with COVID.
How is it possible that all these smart people support this totalitarian nonsense?
Same way the Nazi Germany supported totalitarian nonsense back then is because majority of people would prefer to delegate thinking and you know, decisions on what to do to others.
And it can be to church or it can be the Church of Science, but it's the same.
The result is the same.
You have delegated to somebody and you became controlled by somebody.
Can I say though, I agree with what you're saying, but the route that you and I Take the alternative route means you're constantly having to read and question everything and it's quite exhausting.
Well, it does take a lot more resources.
So from the resource allocation or use perspective, yeah, if you, you know, you want to be a little bit lazy and, you know, outsource some things, right, and have others do it for you, who you trust, you think, oh, if you trust somebody, you can delegate that thinking to them.
Well, it turns out you can't.
Well, the only advice I give people, and I give my children, I give anybody who asks, is how to, you know, there's sort of a very simple rule for yourself that you can practice, is don't repeat the words of others.
Ever.
Even if you agree.
Especially if you agree.
Don't repeat their words.
Use your own words.
If they said something and you liked it, don't repeat it.
Find out a way to say it yourself.
That's it.
That's all you have to do.
And that applies to religion, it applies to science, it applies to your normal life.
Especially if some important area of your life.
If you hear something and you like it and you agree with it, don't repeat it.
Find your own words.
If you disagree with it, figure out why.
And also find your own words.
To disagree with it.
And that way you stay free.
That's the critical thinking part, actually.
There's nothing else to it.
Fine.
I see that.
I see that by changing somebody's words, you've got to go through a mental process, which is a process of interpretation in your own eyes.
I get that.
It wouldn't work for learning poetry, though.
When you're learning a poem, you have to kind of get the words right.
You can't admit... I never liked poetry.
I can tell you that.
Because you're a hard scientist.
Some poems, I like some, but very few.
And I actually never liked poetry.
I've been reading a book called Natasha's Dance.
It's a cultural history of Russia, which obviously includes Ukraine, because you've got Gogol.
How do you pronounce his surname?
Gogol?
Gogol?
Gogol, yeah.
I've just been through the harrowing section on life under Lenin and Stalin and how awful it was.
And you read that some of the heartbreaking stories about the poets, the Russian poets who stayed behind and lived through this and, you know, had nothing to eat because they weren't considered valuable workers.
I don't know, I thought you'd be moved by it.
Women poets of the Soviet Union.
Anyway, I wanted to ask you about, somebody else told me this, that DNA is just complete bollocks.
It's just made up rubbish.
Is that true?
It is true.
So, for example, you can read Rupert Sheldrake's chapters on it and in his Science Delusion book, which I love.
I mean, that's probably the best summary of how ridiculous it is, you can find.
But there are other sources I can also send you.
And basically, so the DNA Do you know that the DNA helix?
All I know, you can fill in the blanks, all I know about DNA is that some people called Watson and Crick got a Nobel Prize for it, that they built this sort of double helix model which, and that this DNA sort of carries our Identity genes or something.
That's all I know.
So the Watson and Crick Nobel Prize was given for a one-page paper, which I have.
It's published online.
It's a one-page paper where they have a lot of assertions, assumptions, and a very fuzzy image of a salt of DNA, which is not the same as DNA.
It's a salt of DNA.
And so they basically kind of made it up.
At the time there were other models for DNA and they just said, oh, those are bad.
Ours is good.
There's still other, you know, people come up with different other models that will explain DNA.
And, you know, you should understand that model is a model.
It's not, it's not necessarily a presentation.
I hate models.
Right.
It's not to say it could be useful for, you know, hypothesis building or testing different theories.
But it doesn't represent reality.
For example, Ptolemaic model of the universe with the Earth in the middle still works.
It predicts the movements of celestial bodies.
So it works just as well as the heliocentric model because they're both models.
And so the DNA with this double helix, now everyone prays to it as if it's the truth.
It's not the truth.
It has never been observed in reality.
It's not possible to observe.
We don't have metrology or instruments to observe DNA in real life.
So all the experimentation subsequent to this proposed model was built to kind of comport with the model.
And if it wasn't, if somebody was proposing something different, then it was just not funded.
So by this kind of survival bias, you have the whole industry aligned to study and come up with methods of showing that this model is actually true when it's not true.
and And, you know, so they started studying it and building tools to kind of like, oh, we can extract nuclear DNA.
I have a whole list of articles on how this nuclear DNA extraction originated.
It's ridiculous.
And it goes back to the 1800s.
Showing that it's just as idiotic like extraction and isolation of viruses.
It's the same thing.
It's cooking hundreds of chemicals with uncontrolled processes and then claiming that you've like extracted something from the nucleus.
Anyway, so the point is that the DNA is a model.
This whole idea of genes controlling and programming things, it's a metaphor.
It comes from technology, from mechanics, from software.
They don't control and program anything.
The Human Genome Project, as Sheldrake described very well in his book, Human Genome Project wasted billions of dollars, decades of time, produced nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
They can't explain the difference between a chimpanzee and a human.
Right.
So, because I remember reading all this stuff about how Soon they were going to be able to edit out of our genome or our genes these sort of faulty things that gave us these genetic conditions like sickle cell anemia or something.
Or is it all rubbish?
Or just made up?
Of course it's rubbish!
And they repeat it.
And they repeat this rubbish every 10 years or so because people forget that they already said that.
But I've been in the industry.
I've heard this.
Oh, you know, we're going to have customized genetic, you know, targeting and editing.
I heard it like 20 years ago.
It never happened.
And it still didn't happen.
And they still don't know how to do it.
They can't edit anything.
As I said, the system, the human or biological, human-animal Anything alive is perfect in its state.
The genes, as they are measured by the existing diagnostics that are, you know, optimized to measure the genes.
So whatever you call measured genes, they might as well be a product of your interaction with the environment, a product of your life as the cause of it.
So because, and another thing I tell people, all of the biology and medicine science today fundamentally relies on Newtonian and Standard Model of Physics, which is inappropriate for biology, because Newtonian and Standard Model of Physics is only appropriate and designed for mechanical things, for making mechanical things.
You can make an airplane very well with it, you can make a gun, you can make a train, you can make a car, and they all work perfectly.
You can't explain life with them, because life is causal.
Life has a beginning and an end, and mechanical things go, you know, they assume that time is a delusion, as Einstein said, and it's not a delusion.
They assume time is a delusion, it goes both ways, backward and forward, it doesn't matter which way, and that's why they can't separate physical, like, biological causes from effects.
And that's why they're saying they just declare the genes are causes, but there's no evidence of it.
They may be effects.
So, yes, you did a sub stack on this recently on 23andMe.
Aha, yeah.
Which is going out of business, yeah.
Because it's useless!
But isn't that the website that you go to to discover that you're descended from... you're partly, I don't know, you know, a 10th Jewish and you're a 15th Navajo and... is it that one?
Yeah.
And you're Scandinavian and you're Genghis Khan is your, I don't know, Ghatil of the Hun is your... Great, great, great, great.
Isn't that how it works?
Yeah, but not really.
So, I mean, there are more, I would say there are more precise ways of finding whether you descended from Genghis Khan, but they're also not.
They're like from the forensic, more of a from a forensic DNA.
So the type of the DNA analysis that 23andMe does, it's not forensic.
It's just like association, basically large scale associations from historical databases.
And so it literally is not useful for anything other than icebreaker conversations.
You know, you go with somebody on the first date, you can discuss your ancestry.
But didn't they, I mean, wasn't it a massive data harvesting operation?
I mean, if, say, I'd signed up to find out whether I was descended from Atilla the Hun, Would that mean they got my data and they can now use it to develop a weapon to kill me?
No, they can't do that.
I can allay those concerns.
It's not possible to do.
All they were doing is a Ponzi scheme, which now ran out.
Because you can't really use this data.
The data they've collected is not useful for anything.
People were saying, or, you know, they can build new viruses to target your ethnic profile.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, remember early on there was this whole saying about COVID was optimized, SARS-CoV-2 virus was optimized to kill black people and save the Ashkenazi Jews.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
It's total nonsense.
It's total nonsense.
I read that paper.
The paper has very tiny statistical effects, and as usual in genetics, other things have much, much greater predictive effects.
So, for example, gender and age typically trump any genetic differences.
So, if you read that paper, okay, they found some tiny statistical... And, you know, they were assuming COVID virus was flying around.
In the first place, it wasn't.
It doesn't exist.
Like, the whole thing doesn't exist.
The toxin part, the spike protein exists, but the whole virus doesn't.
Yeah.
And I give you that analogy before, so the virus is like a shark and the spike protein is like a tooth.
So the teeth we can find, the shark is not there and never was.
But they were saying this whole shark will eat black people and will avoid Ashkenazi Jews.
Yes.
And that's so true, because if you look at the gender differences, then a black woman was much greater protected from that shark than an Ashkenazi man.
Because the gender has much bigger difference than any of those little statistical looks that they found with doing these databases.
Yes.
Also, loads of people died in Israel.
I mean, you know, maybe it was actually an injury, but it makes a lot of sense.
There might have been some familial differences.
Yeah.
You know, heredity does exist and there may be some familial differences that, you know, maybe somebody expresses fewer ACE2 receptors, whatever.
I don't know.
So that may still happen.
But as far as like racial, no, they can't target it.
They can't target anything racially.
I think you mentioned this last time, that the bioweapons labs, with which your native, the land of your birth is riddled, all run by the CIA, aren't they?
But you're suggesting that the stuff they're researching is just completely worthless.
Are they a psyop?
Are they there just to make us scared of these diseases floating around?
Yes.
So, the bioweapons narrative, in general, is very, very important to the US Department of Defense, especially, and its allies, and this whole pandemic preparedness racket, as I call it.
So, the pandemic preparedness enterprise is a huge international enterprise that started Way back, they invested trillions of dollars, and through the COVID exercise, they got their returns, and they plan to continue to do next, you know, over and over and over again.
But the whole, you know, making people believe, first of all, in the infectious disease, and if we dispel that myth, they still want you to believe that, okay, fine, these viruses maybe don't exist in nature, but bad guys, random
Scientists in the labs can easily make these genomes for about $100, and this is what Ralph Baric advertises, and a lot of our biodefense, even on the health freedom side, a lot of people are saying, oh no, you know, you must believe in these bioweapons, and these bad people and these bad biolabs in Ukraine are making these awful bioweapons, forgetting
That every major and minor US research institution is just as bioweapons lab as those Ukrainians, and actually they have more equipment, more money, more samples, and for Dietrich, the DOD bioweapons lab is continuously operating since 1943, making bioweapons.
So, you know, okay, Ukraine is bad, yeah, but What about Harvard?
What about MIT?
What about Johns Hopkins?
What about all those at the Philadelphia Chop?
All of those institutions are bioweapons labs by the same definition of the Ukrainian ones.
And the Ukrainian labs came under CDC control and DOD control around 2005, I think.
When they signed a treaty that some sort of assistance treaty.
So US and Ukraine signed an agreement that all these former Soviet biological research facilities are now under oversight of CDC and DOD.
So these Ukrainian labs have been DOD labs also for a very long time.
So does that mean?
Because you're absolutely right.
I'm very suspicious of people Well, suspicious of the intelligence at best, of the people on our side of the argument, the people who are supposedly sceptical about what's going on in the world.
And yet they buy into, you know, deadly virus, escape from the lab in Wuhan, and we've got to take it seriously.
And look, even the US government is talking about it now.
And you're thinking, isn't that a kind of a clue that maybe if they're talking about it, you know, It ain't real.
It ain't real, because also, I mean, people constantly talk about, oh my God, it escaped from Wuhan lab, forgetting that there are, according to, so CDC is supposed to record these events, or rather, if you're working in some sort of a BSL facility, which is, as I said, it's in every academic institution in the US.
There's one in your backyard, probably.
So, if you're working with some sort of a select agent or some kind of a dual-use research, you're supposed to report an accident where something happened that potential escape, right?
These reports, CDC collects around 200 of them a year, so it's every other day we have an escape.
But we only have a pandemic when we declare one and when we point finger at Wuhan and say, oh, it's that Wuhan bad people.
But Ralph Baric himself, and I published on it, Ralph Baric submitted like a dozen reports.
to CDC saying that, oh, my mouse with this potentially deadly virus escaped, you know, and it is, you know, there's many mice escapes, and I'm like, well, where is the mouse pandemic?
Even though, like, around North Carolina Chapel Hill, we don't have it!
The thing is, Sasha, this is going to spoil A favourite story of awake people, which is that Lyme disease, for example, was caused by weaponised ticks created on the deadly island opposite Lyme in Connecticut.
I can't remember the name of the island, but the ticks escaped.
You're sceptical of that story?
I'm skeptical of that story.
I think the Lyme disease is real.
I'm not discounting it.
You know, it's autoimmune condition, just like other autoimmune condition, and I'm pointing the finger at vaccines.
You got anaphylaxis, like that community there got anaphylactized by something in vaccines.
And since, you know, the insect bites can So they may be like a second hand now going between the people who have been already anaphylactized.
And so as Riche pointed out that you can have passive anaphylaxis.
So you can inject the blood of the anaphylactized animal into another healthy animal and produce anaphylaxis.
So, what I'm saying is, again, cause and effect.
They're telling you the tick is a cause, but it may be the tick is just traveling between people who have been anaphylactized and re-anaphylactizing them.
Because otherwise, if it was a tick, the tick would either die out or spread around, like we would have them in other areas.
But we don't.
It's only concentrated over there.
So there's something going on there.
I'm sure Lyme is a real illness.
You get it in Scotland and stuff.
I don't know.
But I'm certainly going to go along with your... I think your instincts are probably...
Yeah, so when you see some sort of autoimmunity like this and it lasts like decades, you know, it's not the tick.
Also, they're saying weaponized ticks, but nobody can explain what did they weaponize them with.
Can you produce a tick?
If it's a tick, it's an animal, you can catch him.
And can somebody, since like, I don't know when, this is going on for decades, please somebody show me that tick and what it was weaponized with.
Yeah, yeah.
Another thing, because one of your other fans, apart from me, is Mike Yeadon.
Poor old Mike.
We did a live podcast event.
Actually, you'd be great at a live podcast.
If ever you came to England, you'd be great.
I'd love to, yes.
I mean you realise it's like going back into to Moscow in about 1917, actually more like 1923 I imagine, it's you know after the revolution's been established.
We've got this dictator, communist dictator, so you might not like it.
Or it may give you sort of a nostalgic feeling of your childhood, I don't know.
Mike got into trouble with lots of awake people because he expressed skepticism about ivermectin.
He said, yeah, I know it's supposed to do this and I know everyone's championing it in the awake community, but I think it could be another depop tool.
I wouldn't go that far, that it's a Depot tool or, you know, on purpose being promoted.
But I also think that Mike's concerns are very valid.
I also, you know, ran into arguments with a bunch of people about it.
I think because the topic is so politicized, it's ridiculous to me.
But Mike, as a diligent drug developer, I mean, those would be normal conversations if we were developing this drug, you know, new drug.
And if we're working on some program and Mike comes and says, oh wait, we have this and two animal species have shown this in the study.
We would pay a lot of attention to this data and we would say, you know, they showed the reproductive toxicity in two species using ivermectin.
So we would actually have a lot of discussion and interest in it and to study it further because it's called a signal and it's a very concerning signal for reproductive purposes.
So my immediate recommendation would be, well, if you are planning to have children You know, trying to conceive, you're a young person, maybe not use this drug for a while.
And you don't need to.
For what reason are you using it?
You know, if you're healthy, you have no risk from this COVID whatever.
It doesn't pose any risk to young people or flu.
So just don't use it if you're planning to have children, especially like in the near term.
For people who are, you know, don't plan to have any children, Okay.
Uh, we have no reports of anything close, like what they've observed in animals and humans.
So if you're not planning to have children, I think it's okay, but just, you know, make sure that you're aware if you have some, some signs, some, something going on, you can discontinue the drug.
And that's the normal, it's a normal conversation about any drug.
And the thing about drugs, you can discontinue them.
Vaccines, you can't.
Yeah, yeah.
I think that's a sensible measured response.
It was very odd.
People were kind of staking their reputation on it.
It was like somebody had insulted their personal favourite freedom drug.
And I thought, what's going on here?
That's not how we think.
Yeah, because another thing is, again, coming back to the repetition of words.
When you hear somebody repeating a word, or you hear a repeated message over and over and over and over again, it's not coming from critical thinking.
It's coming from brand building.
It's a marketing exercise, okay?
And the brand building and marketing exercise is a hallmark of informational operation campaigns.
Or people who are more interested in building brand versus telling the truth.
And those people become extremely wedded to their limited messaging.
Like, ivermectin works, ivermectin works.
That's where they're coming from.
If they're critical thinking people and they're focused on solving the problem versus building the brand, then they will behave like Mike.
They will be like, oh wait, you know, I didn't know this.
Now I know this.
Let's think about this data.
Let's think what we should do based on this data.
Now the other area where you've gone and put your great big Soviet boots and stuff all over is The story about the nano, the nano technology and the death jabs, the evil nano.
What are they?
Nano things that kind of...
Yeah, actually, just this morning, a couple of hours ago, I pushed out an article exactly answering that question.
Okay, so I frequently get assaulted by this other group of people that want you to believe there is nanotechnology, self-assembling, that they're going to control you with nanobots by injecting you into vaccines, or they're gonna sprinkle them from chemtrails, you know, some other...
Yes.
What are they?
Nano means really, really, really, really small, does it?
Yes.
And most of the time, I'm actually like this has been going on for a long time.
I know for sure it's part of the informational psyops campaign because again, limited messaging, continuous repeated messaging of the same thing and a lot of anonymous bots running around and anonymous large accounts online.
Promoting the same BS.
Okay, and it is BS because And I've seen and I know some of the people and interact with them who are looking at these things and the microscope The the problem is when they they claim nano from looking at micro which is thousand times larger Okay, so they're observing micro and macro structures and calling them nano.
That's not accurate.
That's not nano.
Second thing is they're saying these are self-assembling nanotechnologies.
So technology is not a pile of junk.
Technology is something coherent.
You can say here's the inputs, here are the outputs, and I can reproduce them most of the time.
If you just have a pile of junk, it's not a technology, it's a pile of junk.
But that's what they're doing.
They're observing a pile of microscopic junk.
Maybe, you know, some agglomeration and drying and growing out of it.
It's normal with these kinds of chemistries, hydrogels, polymers, they do it all the time.
And then they're calling it a nanotechnology.
Not only nanotechnology, but it's something that, oh, you know, look, antennas and microcircuits, and this is electronics, and they're gonna, you know, control you with these electronics.
This is nonsense.
You know, it's not possible, first of all.
Nobody can control you by electronics, but they can control you, guess by what?
By words.
So you repeating this nonsense and believing this nonsense, they already control you.
They don't need the microelectronics.
Can I say, I'm simultaneously happy I'm disappointed.
I'm happy that it's one less thing to worry about.
Don't worry about nanobots!
But I'm disappointed because I quite like the idea of self-assembling nanobots, just like, you know... Why?
Well, read my article before you like... Well, it's just kind of really next-level evil, isn't it?
To be able to... that they're so devious, these rulers of the world, that they can...
And you know what?
A lot of rulers of the world actually believe this, too.
Sincerely believe this.
And they sincerely believe vaccines.
Not all of them are in or briefed on the devious plan to depopulate.
Actually, a lot of rulers of the world subscribe wholeheartedly to the idea of vaccination, to the idea of the nanobots, that they will be bestowed immortality by the technocracy and these amazing scientists This includes the royal families, by the way.
I thought they went into homeopathy?
Oh, we haven't covered that.
You would be very interested.
So, another interesting historical account of vaccination comes from Voltaire.
He wrote an essay, and it was published in 1733, and it's called Inoculation.
You can find it online.
And in this essay, He discusses how the idea of vaccination came to Great Britain.
So, the wife of a British ambassador in Constantinople, Lady Montagu, learned about a Turkish practice of vaccination.
And the Turkish learned it from Circassians or Cherkasy.
It's a North Caucasian tribe.
who were slave traders and human traffickers and they were growing girls to sell to Turkish harems because the girls were particularly beautiful and so smallpox was a big problem for them because it would either kill the product or disfigure it, right?
So they figured out a way of variolation more, more like variolation with the cowpox Then they brought it to the Turks.
The Turks were using it.
Lady Montague learned it from them.
She used it on her child.
Then she went back to Britain, told the Queen about it.
She was friends and the lady-in-waiting for her.
And the Queen, the wife of George I, first used it on prisoners condemned to death in exchange for pardon, and subsequently on her children.
And then, from then on, it became She became like, oh my God, she saved all of us from smallpox.
And I don't know what happened with her children.
Also Voltaire says from then on it was 100% safe and effective.
Voltaire promotes it like it's safe and effective 100%.
Except those people who were gonna die anyway.
You will see that phrase in his essay.
Really?
Yes, and how wonderful and progressive the British Royals are as opposed to backward French.
So anyway, so that was the story.
So now, yeah, it's a delusion.
It's a death cult.
It's a death ritual.
I don't know if her children got any other conditions after that or they were fine.
Doesn't matter.
But from then on, no matter how many people you killed or maimed, you can't tell the monarch that she's wrong.
You can only tell her that she's a genius.
And this delusion continues.
So that's why a lot of those people in high places, they actually sincerely believe it.
Some of them are devious masterminds.
But yeah, it's both.
It's a delusion and a plan.
Have you met any of these people?
Met whom?
The evil controllers of the world.
Some.
And so from what I can tell so far, most of them are delusional.
They don't know.
They don't understand this.
They think the vaccinations are wonderful.
They buy into this, so that's why I'm saying, like, I totally agree that there are evil masterminds, I probably haven't seen them, but there are probably few, because majority of the people in high places I run into, they're the true believers.
They also, some of them believe in these nanobots, and this comes actually, I published on it today, this morning, it comes from Ray Kurzweil, who's a futurist, paid many, many millions by Google, and still writes about it.
So he came up with this idea of nanobots that will be crawling through your body and replacing your bad parts with good parts and they will bestow immortality.
So he is certifiably insane and he truly believes that this is a method of producing immortality and he writes books about it.
That's another book I needn't bother reading.
Yeah, so he wrote Singularity is Near, and he said this will happen by 2025, which is four months from now.
So this year he wrote another book, Singularity is Nearer, and this will happen by about 2050 now.
By which time he'll be conveniently dead.
Well, he thinks he will live forever.
Of course he will.
Yeah, so in the interview, he was interviewed... I read the interview this year, in January, by Wired magazine, and it was hilarious.
And at that time, Daniel Kahneman died already.
He died?
Yeah, he died.
He was 90, and Kurzweil was a little bit perturbed by that.
But he was still sure that he will live at least until 200, but probably by then they will figure out how to do these nanobots and he will be immortal.
That's his sincere belief.
Yeah.
I can't see any point in living forever when you've had your body poisoned by vaccines.
I mean, I think it would be okay.
I'd be thinking...
If I had the body that I could have had, had my mother not vaccinated me, it might have been worth it.
But I think it's much better to believe in God and have eternal life that way, when you get to live in heaven after all.
You know, where Bill Gates is not going to be there, is he?
No.
In fact, loads of... all the people you hate are not going to be there.
What's not to like?
Yeah, exactly.
And also, you know, once people... I'm going to write more about it.
There are other series of physics that are not...
Newtonian and not standard model.
And I'm reading, one of them is Russian Causal Mechanics by Kozyrev.
It's fascinating.
But the guy was thrown into gulag so that he couldn't, well, he developed it even there because you can't stop people from thinking.
Now, you know, he was completely suppressed.
This work, it's theoretical work.
Nobody took it further.
Nobody did any practical, additional practical experiments.
Because if you do, well, first of all, causal mechanics means there is a cause of everything.
It wasn't a random Big Bang.
Yeah.
Okay.
So he's essentially sort of worked He's worked God into the equation.
Yes.
So, while he doesn't really say that, because he was writing in the Soviet Union, in the early days of Soviet Union, you can't say God at that time.
But he was saying there is a source, there is a cause, and it's not a random assemblage of, you know, Big Bang happened, just happened, explosion, you know.
There is a direction to life, there's a symmetry to life.
The causes are always in the past and the effects are always in the future.
Standard model doesn't treat it that way.
Standard model says causes and effects can be whichever way.
It says, no, you have to assume that causes are always in the past.
It's normal experience, right?
Causes are always in the past, effects are always in the future.
And if you do it, then you figure out that time actually is not a delusion, it's a physical property of the world.
And what's his name, this guy?
Kozyrev.
There's very few of his stuff available in English.
I found one paper translated, kind of kludgy translation.
I'm reading it in Russian, it's very...
Interesting and very clear.
I'm going to try to make some translations of key parts myself.
That would be interesting.
Yeah.
But it's very hard to find his stuff.
It's maybe only in Russian archives.
Because of this.
Because if you start thinking that way, you quickly arrive at God.
Well, when you think... I don't know how much you've looked into Newton.
And obviously, we haven't got time to discuss him now.
But Newton was, he appeared, his Principia Mathematica appeared with great fanfare.
And nobody understood it, but everyone else thought, because they didn't understand it, that it was genius.
And they were kind of told that it was genius by the hype machine.
And it has been ever thus I mean, it's been like that since forever, since Newton, since the 1660s or whatever.
But it was just kind of, I mean, he was an alchemist and a kind of an occultist.
Yeah, Senior Freemason.
He was part of the Illuminati sign-up.
He wasn't... And everyone... Everyone who studies... I sometimes see this in... I used to be quite strict with people in my chat groups.
You know, people would say, but it's basic physics.
And I said, no.
What you're saying is that you studied physics at university and you bought into all the crap you were told.
And you're clinging on to this and you are now asserting this is basic physics.
Well, it's not.
It's just made-up shit that you were told was true.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, as I said, you know, Newtonian model, it works for mechanical things pretty well.
I mean, it worked for a couple of centuries to produce industrial revolution and use these, you know, these principles to build mechanical things.
And it's fine, you know, until like Einstein came along, he, you know, just basically modified.
But in a lot of applications today, We only use Newtonian physics.
I work with, well, I'm on the board of this company with, you know, optics scientists and laser scientists.
For the most part, what they do relies on Newtonian physics.
on Newtonian approach.
And we found many times in our experiments, it actually doesn't work.
You have to make adjustments.
And it's normal to us, as practitioners of it, to treat it as a model.
And to say, well, okay, yeah, sometimes it falls apart, we need to account for this.
But most people who don't do anything practical with it, they take it as gospel.
Because they never have experience of it not working.
And that's why they have this attitude when you tell them, well, Newtonian is just a model, it doesn't account for everything.
They're like, oh, what?
What are you telling me?
They've seen the wig.
They know this is a man of authority.
He's got a huge wig.
Yeah, it's a huge wig.
Everybody says he's genius, Newton, you know.
So all this mythology develops for people and shorthand for people to like just think, okay, this guy figured out everything.
I don't need to worry about this part.
And most of the time it works.
You don't need to worry about that part.
It's only when they start pushing these concepts on you, like, oh, you have to poison yourself now.
Which also stems from the Newtonian approach that, you know, everything is a randomly collected kind of matter.
You know, if we know this particle and this particle and the chemical interaction between these particles, then we can, like, predict it and inject you with the correct one.
It all ties back to that, right?
Well, it was that whole period, the so-called enlightenment was actually an endarkment.
It took us away from God and created this new, well you mentioned it, this new priest class of expert scientists.
By the way, I love the fact that you still have proper jobs.
You do what you do and you sit on the boards like a proper scientist.
That's just a bored position.
I mean, I used to work, yeah, full-time, but then I decided, I mean, once we sold the previous company, I was like, okay, I'm just too tired and I don't have to and, you know, fine.
But it's fun to be part of some, you know, technology startups, very interesting work and very interesting people.
But do they know about your views on other stuff?
Uh, at least some of them do.
I actually was biking with one of them last weekend, my husband and I. So this guy who works in the company, he happened to be in the area and also a mountain biker.
And he was like, oh yeah, let's go biking.
And I typically don't discuss these issues, but we had beer.
He asked me in passing about this, and I'm like, oh, this requires alcohol.
And we finished biking.
We went for beer and we had a discussion.
He's like, yeah, I follow you.
And I'm like, okay, yeah.
So, but yeah, so that person had a positive attitude to it and went biking with me.
And if they don't want to interact, I don't, you know, I don't push it on them.
Before we go, and I could talk to you forever, Sasha, I still think, you know, you and your husband should come over, well, if you can cope with the communism, and come and do a podcast a bit.
I've got to ask you briefly about the sad, sad spat that you had with Fush and Chips.
Fush and Chips.
The, you know, the Kiwi girl who does the...
Oh, Sam Bailey?
Sam Bailey, yeah, yeah.
I think I was texting her.
She somehow decided to have one with me.
I never actually talked to her before.
That's what I meant, really.
I think it's always sad when we should all be in this one together.
I mean, I'm much closer to Terrain than Germ Theory, but...
I don't think that... I don't get het up about people who don't, you know, people who still believe in germ theory or who are wrong on other things.
It seems to me that... So, I'm sad that you got burned.
I mean, the thing is, like, I don't believe in virus theory either and I've been pretty clear about it, right?
So, and I wrote a bunch of articles but somehow I got, you know, she made this video complaining about Other people, like some incident they had with some person claiming that, you know, it was his work, but it's their work.
I don't know anything about it.
I don't know this person.
I don't know them.
I never talked to the Bailey's.
And she then makes this video and includes me into like one of the haters and narcissists.
And I'm like, what?
Yeah, but Sasha, haters are gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
Yeah, I was like, what did they do?
Turns out, and then I actually wrote to them through their website.
Mark Bailey responded, and he said, oh, you liked this post that was bad.
I was like, what, really?
You like crawl through the likes to figure out who liked?
And I'm like, I don't even know why.
Oftentimes, you know, I just, as many people discuss, like oftentimes you put the like because A, that's how you open the post from the email and or sometimes you put a like there just to mark that you read it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Right?
It doesn't mean you like.
It might have been one of those things, but you know, writing and making a video like this and blaming people and calling them narcissists and Not at all.
This is not healthy behaviour, I don't think.
Yeah.
There's been a sad thing recently on Substack.
I like Substack.
I like the notes thing where you can read all sorts of interesting essays, I come across.
Yeah, I love Substack.
But there's been a... I don't know whether you've been following... Do you know about the Manchester Arena bombing?
There was a concert by Ariana Grande a few years ago and we were told by the security services that it was a terrorist incident and a suicide bomber and that loads of little girls had been killed.
But there's a researcher called Richard D. Hall.
He's a normie.
He's not crazy like me or you.
He believes in the paradigm.
not like a he's not crazy like like me or or you he's he believes in the in in the paradigm he's just kind of likes doing his research and he found that there was no evidence to support this this idea that it was a suicide bomber you know there's just like like that that Everything from the damage to the number of victims just doesn't stack up.
And what was really sad was seeing people on our side of the argument, people who are completely sceptical about the vaccines and stuff and recognise that governments lie all the time.
I'm attacking this guy for doing this research saying, you know, how dare you trade in the deaths of little children, you know, and I'm kind of thinking, well, how are you going to investigate these things?
Yeah, like I told, I'm for people investigating because I know, yeah, the government lies all the time and I don't trust anything that they say, nothing.
They can say the sky is blue.
I still don't trust them.
I still need the independent investigation on this.
You know, because they are liars.
And, you know, people who lied to kill our children are a fair game to me.
And I am, you know, I'm just not going to believe anything they say.
So I support people like that.
Because, I mean, we had the same, like, the Las Vegas... Remember the Las Vegas shooting?
Yes.
That was... Same thing.
Same thing.
And the sheriff who covered it up for the feds is now the governor of Nevada.
And what about the one who ended up in Hawaii?
That's him.
In Lahaina?
Yeah, it's another one, yeah.
Yeah, I read a deep dive into that one.
It was something to do with Mohammed bin Salman or something.
One of the Saudi princes, it was a sort of international gang warfare going on.
It's either gang warfare or it was set up for them to fly helicopters.
There was a helicopter base nearby and they flew helicopters and just shot the public.
Yeah.
We are just like rats to them.
Yeah.
Do you think, before we go, do you think that people who never experienced life behind the Iron Curtain like you did, do you think we're kind of softer and more delusional?
That people who've experienced what you did growing up are much more savvy about how governments really are?
It's, yes, especially in the later stages of the Soviet Union, you know, like my generation and, you know, yeah, people, yeah, people of about my generation, we grew up already not believing in the government at all.
So, and it was normal.
It wasn't like a traumatic experience or anything.
It was just like, well, that's what you do, you know.
And that's how you just have this disbelief and skepticism toward the government because they're always lying and all this like bullshit Marxism stuff.
Nobody believed it.
I mean, some maybe, you know, there were some older, like older people bought into it.
There are a lot of Stalin supporters from the older generation.
But, you know, in my experience, my generation, nobody, either people just ignored it or, like, totally knew that this was crap.
And so, to me, it's normal to be skeptical of the government.
You know, and when I originally came to the US, I saw that it was different, it was free, it was wonderful.
I bought into this whole American story.
And, you know, now in retrospect, I know that it was both for the Soviet Union and for America the same.
You know, the best way to imprison people is to make them believe they're free.
Yeah.
Right?
So, yeah, America made a great job at marketing freedom, especially to its own citizens, while they were doing war all over the place, and killing people all over the place, and running drugs, and running gangs, and guns, and trafficking, everything, while selling freedom.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It goes like that.
Yeah, yeah.
I used to believe that.
Yeah, I used to believe that too.
But boy, my eyes were opened again.
And I'm grateful for that.
And I've learned a lot of things.
And I learned all this horrid stuff.
But I'm better off knowing than not knowing.
Yeah, yeah.
Sasha, Joy, as always, tell us where we can find your stuff, where we can read you, and see your art, let's not forget.
Yes, so my publication on Substack is due diligence and art, and I include an art piece with every article, and you can subscribe there.
Most of my material is free, but there's some exclusive for paid subscribers, and I appreciate that.
Thank you, Sasha.
And if you've enjoyed watching this podcast, yeah, you can support me too on Substack, for example, and on Locals, and on Patreon, and on Subscribestar, whichever one you choose.
I kind of mix it up, and the reason for that is If one of them turns, you know, Stalin or whatever, you know, at least there's a few to fall back on.
You never know, do you?
You never know which one's going to fall.
You can also buy me a coffee.
I don't know how long people like Sasha and myself have got before we get shut down altogether because it's getting worse, but please support me while you can.
I really appreciate it and you do get early access to my I'll probably throw in a few other perks when I can think what those perks might be.
Anyway, read Sasha's stuff and support her.
She's great.
You can see how great she is.
I do kind of love you, Sasha.
I'll try to make it to the UK at some point.
I'm not proposing we have an affair or anything, but I'm just saying it would be nice to meet you.
Me too.
Because I like your sense of humor, you know.
I mean, even people might think, you know, she's just a kind of, you know, she escaped from the Soviet Union.
