Elana Freeland is a writer, teacher, and lecturer who researches classified issues such as geo-engineering, MK-ULTRA, and invasive electromagnetic weapons. The author of several books, including Under an Ionized Sky, she lives in Olympia, Washington.
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Welcome to the Delingpod Ilana Freeland.
I'm I really am looking forward to this.
I only discovered you recently.
Yeah, and I you.
I know it sounds crazy.
You're a much bigger name.
But I was just watching something you did the other day and I thought, oh, fantastic.
I like his style.
What was I talking about?
I don't remember.
I'm overwhelmed.
I'm like a one man, a one woman band when I really should have several people doing what I do.
You need a life, Ilana.
I've noticed that.
I don't have a life.
You spend all your time researching books.
Well, no, not books.
There are no books on what I write.
That's the problem.
I spend all my time researching.
Absolutely.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
You spend all your time researching.
I mean, you're quite prolific.
Well, I don't mean to be.
I'm just obsessed.
So I have to keep going.
Yeah.
Some people are going to be nodding their heads and saying, Elana Freeland, she's great, she's a legend.
And some people are going to be new to you.
So just tell us a bit about yourself before we move on.
I began... I'm a 60s person.
I'm very proud of that, because it was a time of... The Newsweek and Time Magazine version is not the 60s that I experienced.
I was not on just drugs, sex, and rock and roll.
I was actually political, looking for spiritual truth, very connected to my, as Kurt Vonnegut called it, my caress.
My Grand Falloon.
We had our own words for the brotherhood and closeness that we had.
I hitchhiked across America twice alone.
In order to face my fear of mainly men.
And I became very close to many people who were extremely gifted.
I would say they were Renaissance people.
With extraordinary thinking and speaking.
And so, that has carried forward.
That is not in my past, or my youth, as people like to say.
No, it came with me.
And I'm still on that road of looking at what we call the establishment.
Today it's called the deep state.
It's the same story, only 50 years later.
And I discovered this geoengineering problem through meeting at a breakfast serendipitously in Santa Fe, New Mexico, the scientist, the only scientist at that time working on the problem of what he was finding was coming down in the atmosphere After high-flying stratospheric jets had passed.
And it was meeting him that made me take another look at a file I had on chemtrails.
And that was what we used to call geoengineering.
We called it chemtrails.
And that term is from the U.S.
Air Force Academy.
It's the term they had on the front of their chemistry manual for to be pilots so you know the CIA has used it as a as a tinfoil hat term and made very good use of it I must say but then when you control all the media in a nation of course you would do well using it however you wished So, to me, that was the beginning, and I started working with Clifford.
I'd had biology second major in undergrad, and so I began looking through his microscope.
What he was finding was coming down from after the jets would pass, and part of it was the well-known term morgellons, which was a fiber, a filament, very tiny, but you could see it
Because it was mobile, it was alive, and I began to take it very seriously when I saw this creature sucking the iron out of my red blood cells under the microscope.
And then I realized what I was looking at.
I didn't have the term even then of synthetic biology, but I knew I was looking at a specimen that was programmed or created to do just what I was watching it do, attack my red blood cells.
So that's when I got very serious about what I was doing and Clifford and I worked together He was ignored.
He was marginalized.
He tried to contact the Environmental Protection Agency.
He tried to contact the CDC.
He went to all the agencies we've just heard over and over and over again for the last four years, and they ignored him.
But at the same time, he had a way of telling who was hitting his website, CarnicomInstitute.org, and it was all the alphabet agencies in Washington D.C.
and Colorado Springs.
They were all checking in to see how this Poor sod of a scientist was doing without any of their of their material.
And he was doing really well, really well, because he's trained in scientific method, he was very cautious, he was very conservative, careful.
It was no conspiracy theory to him.
And it didn't take long for him to realize, as he was also using, I believe it was a Van de Graaff, to measure the atmosphere.
And what was going on in the atmosphere at the same time as he's seeing this obviously biological to some degree pathogen to see what was going on with the atmosphere and the atmosphere was being changed.
So he became extraordinarily, extraordinarily dedicated to his work, and I was right behind him as the writer, as someone who's smart, knows how to research.
And I was reading a lot of documentation by the U.S. military of patents, papers, conferences, etc.
Having to piece it all together, the thing is, is you go on the Internet, this is a very classified project, so the way they handle that, in order to put little breadcrumbs out for certain people, and then they have their own, of course, network that we citizens and then they have their own, of course, network that we citizens have no But I was able to find things, but the problem was to figure out what meant what to what, and what belonged with what.
And that really takes, you know, my master's degree is in historiography, so I was able to see how to do the research to see what fit with what.
And I began to develop a thesis.
And each book, I've written four now, this fourth one is coming out this summer with Inner Traditions Publishing, each book takes you to the next tier of my discovery.
As I'm going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole of this very highly classified project.
And it was finally that I, when I saw the return four years ago of synthetic biology in the Jebs, I realized, yes, that has always been the end that they wanted was not just to control the environment,
In you know in something that they call epigenetics, but to actually Bring forward the transhumanism that secret societies have longed for for what thousands of years Wow, can I just pause you there?
I just wanted to say Ilana how Thrilled I am because I have been I Mean, I mean, I've got a few other candidates lined up but I've been looking for quite some time to find somebody who can talk to me about chemtrails, because you'll have found this.
Even people who are supposedly down the rabbit hole, they're comfortable with 9-11 and with JFK and whatever.
But for so many awake people, for want of a better word, Chemtrails is a bridge too far.
They don't want to believe that there could be people in the world so evil as to be spraying us from the skies.
And here you are.
I mean, you look like a serious person.
I mean, I think you've got a touch of the sort of 60s hippie chick about you.
But no one listening to you is going to go, this woman is a complete fruitcake.
She clearly hasn't a clue what she's talking about.
You were there.
You're kind of the ground zero of Chemtrails discovery, which is really exciting.
So you say it was in the 1960s that you met this guy?
No, no, Clifford I met in the early 2000s.
He started observing and taking copious notes in the late 90s.
And he was flying solo and has always flown solo, not because he wants to, But because he's so demanding of scientific method and it's very hard to find, well, good volunteers.
I've been pretty much not working for him but working just behind him because I recognized early he was the guy to follow.
To see what he was coming up with.
And now the fantastic news is that he attracted the attention through the last book I wrote, Geoengineered Transhumanism, that came out in 2021.
He attracted the attention of Dr. Ana Mihalce, MD, PhD, who is getting more and more known for the many interviews that she does and the much writing and the many microscopic studies she does, dark field microscopy.
I mean, Anna read my book, saw what I said that Clifford had said, and contacted Clifford And now they work in tandem.
And so she has brought him to public, to at least some partial public recognition after, what, 20, 25 years he's been on this trail alone.
And I've only been on it since the 2005 or so.
And I'm moving as fast as I can because I have realized what a tremendous danger This is and if you don't if you encounter people in the so-called geoengineering circuit Don't necessarily believe that they're they're just what they say they are We have been infiltrated highly because this is highly classified.
I can't stress that enough Right, right But so Clifford is still with us Oh yes, he's working away, he's got his papers up, and again, I remind people, it's at Carnicom, C-A-R-N-I-C-O-M, institute.org.
He has new papers up, new study, because now he has a doctor to work with, they can bounce ideas off, you know how it's so important in science, real science, to have someone you can talk to and show what you're working on, and who may even repeat Your experiments.
So I've got so many questions to ask you.
I suppose we should start from the beginning.
When did, when did geoengineering start?
Well, I, my first two books came out under Ferrel House and Adam Parfrey was the head of Ferrel House and he was quite a character and a wonderful guy.
He took a risk on my Kemptrails books.
He was surprised by the terrific, huge response.
And he's the one who taught me that... Remind me of your question, will you?
When did it all start?
Yes, he sent me a book.
And he gave it to me.
And it was an old... It was published many years before World War I.
After World War I, and it was Studies of Clouds, and they weren't working on it.
You know how the military, George Patton, General George Patton talked about it in his autobiography, how the biggest wet dream in the military is to control the weather.
And they were working on it in World War I. So during that trench warfare, that horrific chemical warfare that wiped out an entire generation of European youth.
They were working on clouds and creating their own clouds with chemicals and electromagnetism, because we had electricity by then.
So, I have to say it started back then, but the program I write about, and I call it, its original name was Project Cloverleaf.
That has been going since for about 25-20 years and it depended upon HAARP, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project, the whole HAARP instrument of phased array antennas.
It depended upon Conquering that problem in the atmosphere and they were able to do that.
HAARP by 2014 was in charge of and controlling absolutely the ionosphere that surrounds the earth and that's crucial to running a program, a global program.
This is not cloud seeding I'm talking about.
Cloud seeding is something you might do locally, or maybe even in a swath of geographic area, and it can be done, tailored to the person paying for it, or the agency.
But no, this is, this is an AI program that is completely international, and it needed It's not, that was an ionosphere heater, it's not the only one, but it is still the most powerful one, possibly rivaled now by a new one in Tromsø, Norway, in the Northern Hemisphere, of course.
So, you know, to study each one of these parts, and I'm sure this is why there's so little out there, That is, I'm the only one publishing, well, I'm almost the only one publishing books on this, and now it's in three or four languages around the world.
The Europeans seem to be more awake to what I'm saying.
Americans are seriously programmed by these terrible iPhones and television and everything else.
And the programming is destroying their thinking, destroying their memories, ...disturbing their ability to concentrate, and so I definitely still depend on the Europeans to talk to me and send me interesting things.
In America, everybody's stuck on the chemtrails.
I'm way ahead of the... I'm way down the road from chemtrails.
But if you want me to give a one-liner about the chemtrails, I can do that.
Because there are the con-trails, those are condensation trails, and those are generally water vapor, ice crystals, and particulates.
And that is a very short trail out the back of a jet, and it dissipates easily within 30 seconds.
There is nothing lingering.
There is no cloud formation from those trails.
And you rarely see contrails now.
Because even the small jets, say the executive jets, are using chemical fuel.
They're all chemical.
It's all chemical.
And so the Chemtrails, and we all used to argue about it at the beginning of all this back in the 20, I don't know, 13 years ago when I, 15 years ago when I started.
We would, on the internet, there were internationally, there were about a dozen of us that were really closely following, and a few, a few females back then.
And we would argue about if it was a chemtrail or a contrail.
But the chemtrails, you can tell they're chemtrails because they will actually start several feet from the back of the jet, from the combustion chamber.
And then it will be a long trail like, you know, like if you were walking on a winter morning and it's really cold and you're breathing You know how it comes out in that steam and then it dissipates very quickly.
Well, in this case, it doesn't dissipate very quickly.
It's a long trail because it's chemical and it's been tweaked by electromagnetics.
So that's how I was thinking when I realized what was going on, is that it creates this cirrus cloud cover.
But the next little nut to crack was to realize that this is not really clouds up there like yesteryear.
It was much more because of the chemicals and the electromagnetism.
So what it really is, is plasma.
We have a plasma cloud cover now.
And in fact, I could almost say that our entire atmosphere is filled with plasma.
Now, this is plasma physics, would be what looks at this and engages it and measures it and all that sort of thing.
But the clouds that you see in the sky, I don't think, but I can't prove it in a court of law, but I don't think I've seen a real cloud in decades.
I think I'm looking entirely at plasma.
And plasma is very, it's a very well-funded experimental program going on now in our atmosphere now that our atmosphere is utterly ionized all the time.
It never lets down.
They keep the particulates are coming out the backs of jets.
They keep it pumping in.
You notice that it's always coming.
I hear from people who say, Oh, we had blue sky today, Ilana.
So I guess they've stopped the chemtrails.
No, no, they'll start up again.
Because they want, and this is what I've come to, they want an artificial world.
They want that world that now Facebook has renamed itself.
Meta.
They want a metaverse.
And they have a lot going for themselves.
They've been working with a lot of money.
from foundations and taxpayers for many decades, and when we experienced the jabs, when that came out, when the mRNA inoculation began to happen, I realized they had prepared and they had laid the groundwork for our health to be as abysmal as possible from having
Completely changed our atmosphere.
We're not breathing the same Ratio of oxygen.
We're not Everything's been changed but in a way that people don't notice and then whenever someone came comes up with some truth about chemtrails or whatever the word is and Then they're they're made fun of and marginalized.
So I saw how it was done and then when we had the jab I Realized of course, I haven't had the jab, but I realized that they were ready for the next phase certainly of transhumanism, but also of synthetic biology also of an artificial planet of a machine planet and
And so I began to change the way I was looking at it as I began to analyze what the jab would do and what it was for and I finally decided it was actually primarily for, yes,
Inoculating us with all sorts of synthetic biology forms that they've come up with, but it was primarily to inject the software into us by which the nanotechnology that we have been breathing now for going on three decades, these nanobots, they're all in our bodies, they're in our brain, they can go beyond the blood-brain barrier easily,
Now the software is there so that they can run not just the Bluetooth connectivity, but also they can program the nanobots from a distance for a transhuman or a hybrid transhuman race.
And I would say that the people who've had all the jabs are the actual race, the first transhuman race.
It won't be the last.
And they're in process now, and they're being very carefully monitored by satellite.
If you remember, the satellites all went up in concert with the Jevs.
And it was all incredibly wonderfully planned.
I mean, it was just It's just phenomenal.
And then the rest of us are hybrids.
You know, we have titanium hips.
We have insulin going into us from a distance by precision medicine or telemedicine.
They can control your blood sugar from a distance.
And, you know, we have all these things that are already in place and people have accepted them.
And those are the hybrids.
So that's about as far as I've come.
I just finished the fourth geoengineering book in which I'm looking directly at how the geoengineering works with the synthetic biology and my emphasis being on the geoengineering.
That's a book by Inner Traditions called the Geoengineering The Geoengineer Transhuman.
And now I'm beginning the other book I've contracted with them for, which is the next phase of the story where I'm looking directly at synthetic biology and the transhuman dream or nightmare, depending on which side of you are on.
I'm going with nightmare, Ilana.
Before we go deeper into that nightmare, I just want to Backtrack slightly so The The chemtrails that we see in our skies or with I mean tasks of regularity these days.
It's extraordinary It's so obvious that sometimes they they mock us by doing an X shape.
For example, I mean Anyone with eyes to see knows that that is not a natural That is not a contrail coming out of an aircraft going to a holiday destination.
It has to be someone who Mocking us, but um is it is it being done by passenger jets, or is it being done by specialist?
spray planes or or what well originally project cloverleaf was being done by some military jets and Passenger jets they would make the pilots sign non-disclosure agreements and And they were very serious about it.
And then the next phase seemed to be that the release of the chemicals, besides the detritus coming out from the jet at the back,
There seemed to be an alternate system going on, because sometimes if you look at some of the footage that people catch on their cameras, you'll see that, well, there seem to be two releases on each wing, and then there are two or four coming out the aft of the jet.
So there's a lot of ports through which the chemicals can be released.
The thing to think of is, where do they get the chemicals?
Well, how interesting, because depending on how you categorize the industry of chemistry, you'll see that it's really Big Pharma.
Big Pharma is involved, has been all along, just like it was back in World War I. You had, you know, you had some Very big corporations, even at that point.
So it'll come out and then it'll go into this Cirrus cloud cover, this ERSAT's Cirrus cloud cover.
And then we're all down here like, oh, they're protecting us from the sun's rays.
They're protecting us from whatever.
And you hardly ever see it in the news.
So you get an old idea that it's really just about solar radiation management, and you don't go any further than that.
And that's what I'm pressing forward, is that this is about a lot more than solar radiation management or spreading sulfur.
Whatever they come up with, it's a cover story.
Because it's really about what I'm saying.
It's about, you know, there's a trail you can follow.
Okay.
I mean, I'm really interested in where you've ended up, but I want to sort of go on the journey to get there first.
So what... You're saying that the pilots are complicit.
They have to be complicit.
They couldn't be doing this stuff by accident.
Well, they're complicit...
To a degree, but now it appears there are two things that are new, and that is where they may not be using the jets, the commercial jets, because it's such a burdensome thing to get all the NDAs from all the pilots.
The other possibility is, so they're using old planes, you know, that they then paint and make look like other planes.
They have already made it where they can fly and you can go on those wonderful programs on the internet to see the trail of the jet and its arrival and departures and that sort of thing, but not chemtrail, not those carrying the chemicals.
You won't see them.
They're allowed to be ghosts.
And then you might be looking at the fantastic cloaking that they have now where you can't see the jet.
But if you had infrared, if you had some infrared glasses or something like that, you might be able to see it because it's flying, but you can't see it.
So they've, they've developed it.
They've developed the delivery system where they're not, they even have a patent for A chemical trail that you can't see at all.
So, you know, there are many things that have happened.
Right.
One of the things... Sorry, I'm leaping ahead slightly, but we may as well lay this ghost to rest now.
One of the things I often hear from people on our side, who think of themselves as being reasonably sceptical, is they say, look, I can't believe...
If they, whoever they are, were doing this, they'd be spraying themselves as well.
Why would they do that?
They'd never do that.
So I don't believe in chemtrails for that reason.
Well, yeah, let's take a really close look at that instead of a breezy look.
Talking about people who, in my
My guess is that they are involved with many other people like themselves, perhaps in secret societies, perhaps in a pilot's association, just a corporate association where you need to have certain types of thinking in order to get in and stay in, and other types of thinking need, you know,
need to go away in one way or another.
So, you know, that exists.
And so when they're thinking up their story for what this is, some of them know that they're breathing poison and this is going to affect their children and their unborn children and everything.
Most of them don't.
Most of them are told another story, and they love the money, they love the stature.
Maybe they're afraid.
They're afraid of some of these people, because they do notice that some people just die when they start to speak out about this sort of thing.
That's going on.
And then, of course, they're going to have the state-of-the-art air processors.
They're going to have state-of-the-art water.
They're going to have the best that money can buy for surviving this.
It's the ones who are putting up with it for the sake of the great dream.
That the Brotherhoods, in my opinion, I'm very up on Brotherhoods, and that seems to be, and it's terrifically popular in the U.S., as it is in the U.K.
So that too is there.
They are supremely dedicated or under duress to Go the mile in this.
So that's how I look at it.
That's how they can do it.
It is extraordinary, isn't it?
That it's so obvious now to anyone with eyes to see that this stuff is happening.
And yet not a single politician in the UK has even countenanced the possibility that it might be happening.
I'm sure it's pretty much the same in the US.
Apart from, is it Tennessee which has passed a law supposedly banning Yes, and the following week they were pummeled with tremendous storms and had flooding conditions throughout the state.
So, you know, I knew that they would pay for that because they did pass it in both of their houses.
That's a done deal.
But that's just the beginning.
You're going to face what it really is.
A lot of people don't really understand what's controlling this.
So then you fall into the conspiracy theory realm where they're talking about the secret societies and brotherhoods of things.
And you and I both know, I hope, that your country and mine are completely run by secret societies.
I can say that at NASA, the name of that is the Saturnalian Brotherhood.
I can say that the rest of the country is completely run by Freemasonry, as is your country.
I've read Stephen Knight's books about your country, and I think he's absolutely right.
And then his death was very suspicious.
So, with this idea of secret societies, you know you're looking at something, at least I know, because I'm a student of Rudolf Steiner.
I've been a student of Rudolf Steiner ever since I was a Waldorf teacher, you know, 40 years ago or something.
And if you have that wisdom, that the occult truths are hidden from the masses, But they are by no means not believed and by no means not used.
Then you'll understand how these things happen.
But otherwise you're going to just be bewildered.
It's not what it seems is the name of the game.
And so you have to have a bit of a different kind of thinking that you apply to this and not just Not just all the factoids.
Jim Lee is very good at that in ClimateViewer.com.
He's very good at the factoids of how it works, how this works, how that works in the delivery system.
That's very useful.
But that's just one part of this.
It's not the entire thing.
Do you trust Jim Lee?
I wonder whether he's giving us a sort of partial vote.
He's kind of a limited hangout.
Limited hangout.
Yes, that is exactly.
I love Jim.
You know, he's very sweet.
I've known him all these years.
We've never met in the flesh, but we've had many phone calls and we've been on a couple of shows together.
If I meet someone who just wants to know about how The mechanical nature of this program works, I would send them to Jim.
Right.
But for anything more?
No.
OK.
He knows that.
And, you know, he will do what he will do with it.
But he behaves like a limited hangout.
Yes, he does.
OK.
Well, maybe I'll talk to him about it sometime.
Because I am interested in the delivery mechanisms.
But I'm also very interested in what you're saying.
Another problem that people have, believing in the whole chemtrails thing, is that they don't want to accept That they live in a world where this thing can be going on with the acquiescence of their politicians, of their newspapers.
All these checks and balances which they've been brought up to imagine somehow preserve their security have sold the past long ago and allow these nameless shadowy forces to spray us like bugs.
People don't want to go there.
They just find it too horrific for words.
Well, what can I say?
You come to the realm of thick illusions.
I don't know.
I was raised by my Romanian gypsy grandmother.
She was an actual gypsy.
In Detroit, Michigan, until I was nine or so.
I loved my neighborhood.
It was filled with Eastern Europeans who had all come to get away from people like Ceaușescu.
And to work in the Ford factory and the General Motors and send money to their poor relatives back in the old country.
And I was happy as a clam there.
Because it was dancing, there was singing, there was good food, and everybody talked a different language.
It was just so rich.
Such a rich period of my life.
And in that case, you have people who Believe America is the greatest place on Earth, it's where freedom is, and they kind of have an excuse, because their language is a tremendous barrier.
But for people who speak English, and who have been raised in this country, and have watched the Kennedy assassination, have watched Martin Luther King's assassination, the Robert Kennedy, I mean, come on!
Are we awake to where we... Well, yeah, you don't want to deal with it.
I get that.
And you depend on people like me to just lay my life down.
For all of it.
And I'm willing to do that because this, for me, is a mission.
I love what this country was founded on.
I've taught the Constitution to high school students.
I know how valuable the Bill of Rights is.
It's an extraordinary document.
There is no other Bill of Rights in the world.
But, I know that newspapers lie.
They lie all the time.
So I can't make my soul development, which I am here to do.
That's my number one job, my soul development.
I can't base it on lies and illusions and my own fear of my flesh.
No, I have to go ahead.
I have to serve the truth.
You know, and that may sound corny, because nobody believes in the truth anymore.
They think it's all arbitrary.
They've been programmed to think it's arbitrary.
That my truth is not your truth, and that both truths are equally valid.
Not so.
Not so, my friends.
You better wake up and smell the coffee here, because You know, you stand when you go through those pearly gates, or I like to think of death as an envelope being slipped under a door to another room.
That's how I think of it.
And when I get to the other room, I'm going to be, you know, as what I did.
Right?
One way or another.
If you don't believe in God, fine.
But this, there's a catch here.
You have this life, and then you go, and what did you do?
And now, now you face the music.
Because you either did the right thing, or you sold yourself and your children, your children's future, by being either willfully ignorant, or by, for actual money and position and power.
Doesn't look good to me.
No.
I'm with you.
I'm with you on that.
We get judged.
There is no question about it.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So, I'm fascinated by loads of what you said, but these morgellons.
How do you pronounce it?
Oh, we call it morgellons.
It's a bad name.
It's not what it is.
It's actually a nanotechnology.
So does that mean, is it alive?
Is it animal, vegetable or mineral?
It's all of the above and more.
That's the interesting thing and that's what Clifford Carnicom was faced with when he isolated it and began to study it.
It was very hard to study because it's very tiny and he didn't have the money to buy those big fancy microscopes, but he found ways through Petri dish isolation with adding certain chemicals, certain electromagnetics in order to see what the response was of this entity that already proved it was alive on some level by the fact that it was sucking the iron out of my blood.
So he came to a term called the cross-domain bacteria and what they do is they often use bacteria as a for what we now have the term gain-of-function.
You've probably heard that term.
That gain-of-function means that When you take a patent out on something seemingly biological, even artificial biological, you have to change something in it so that you're not going against the law of patenting a life form.
Life forms are not allowed to be patented.
You want something that will make it not quite alive, but it can be somewhat alive.
And that's what we have now.
That's what's going on.
There's just a lot of use of bacteria to produce these pathogens.
Don't you feel reassured that these people are so keen to stick within the letter of the law?
Don't you feel so much safer?
Well, and are they going to check every patent?
Then you find out that the patent office in the United States is run by Serco, one of your corporations that is eating everything on earth and gobbling it all up and running it.
Yes, Serco runs our patent office.
Can you believe it?
Well, at this stage, I can believe anything, actually.
So these Morgellons, They've been spraying us for the last 15 years?
20... Yeah, I would say since the late 90s.
Okay, so it's the late 90s.
And presumably these are crawling around our system.
Yes, they are.
In all of us?
Yes.
What, millions of them?
Anyone who breathes.
Ah, that'll be... I've done that before.
Quite a few of our listeners, I imagine, will be in that category.
I tell you, I have all manner of health problems and I don't want to bore you with them, but I really feel like I'm facing an uphill struggle just to keep basically okay as opposed to getting better.
I dedicate so much of my life to taking potions and pills and trying to adjust my diet and As healthy as I can.
But it sounds like these things aren't exactly helping us, if they're sucking on our iron.
No, the environment has been made, and I stress this again and again, this epigenetic approach to the environment.
That's what it is.
Epigenetic.
It's a wonderful word they're just introducing to us, but it's where you use the environment To make an actual genetic change in the inhabitants of a place.
That's nice.
That's being done.
That's what all this stuff I write about is about.
Because they're undermining what I have chosen to call Human 1.0.
You know, the actual God created.
God's creation.
The real creation.
And they're undermining, just like with your health.
Now you have to, the time you have to spend figuring out your health and dealing with your health is time you could have spent doing some other things opposing this takeover of the planet.
Takeover of the human being blah blah blah.
That's why they make us sick.
That's why medicine and I've lived in England I've lived in England for a few three years Your national health is is a complete sham and is to keep This is our national religion, Elana.
I know it is.
I know.
Everybody thinks that it's so wonderful, so wonderful.
I have never had health insurance because I studied Chinese medicine.
It's 5,000 years old.
It's much wiser than, and I don't mean just drinking herbal teas.
No, Chinese medicine entails using yin and yang, which is acid and alkaline.
Balance, balance between the two and how you eat and how you cook and that whole thing.
So for me, the investment in my health in my 20s, which is when I studied all that, I thought I was going to be a Chinese medical doctor, has paid off in multiple ways because I'll be 77 next month.
Unbelievable!
You are looking good on that.
Everything works fantastically because I invested in my 20s in eating a certain way and not going to doctors.
No doctors since I was 13.
I don't do doctors.
They're trained to be practitioners of semi-health.
So that they can keep their business going.
So they can keep those riches tumbling in.
You know, admittedly, your national health doctors don't become rich like ours here do.
But it's still the same thing.
It's a business model.
It's a business.
Let's be clear.
And so I don't trust the business.
I don't trust the people who serve the business.
I don't care how great they talk about humanity and, you know, blah, blah, blah.
No, you have to take.
And I think that's one of the wonderful things that I'm hoping for with this four years that we've spent in this new hell is that people are going to go No, I'm not going to do that anymore.
I'm going to find another way.
I'm going to experiment with my own health.
I'm going to listen to people I consider wise, who don't have necessarily medical degrees.
I mean, some doctors are very good, like Anna Mihalcea, this doctor I've gotten to know pretty well.
She's wonderful.
She's devoting herself to letting people know, but she is medically trained.
by the American Medical Association one degree or another.
So I'm very cautious of those things.
Not just judgmental.
I don't mean that.
I mean cautious.
And you go in a hospital now, be highly aware, hopefully you'll read my books, that you are entering a 5G and 6G environment.
And that in itself should cause you great concern.
Just that.
So, why do so many people die in hospital?
Well, yeah, somebody could be killing them, but it could also be the 5G, 6G.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know, and I'm cautious.
This makes sense to me.
Can I just ask you a quick question?
Completely unrelated, well, almost unrelated.
I went to Hong Kong last year.
And I've spent pretty much the whole time feeling really, really rotten.
Especially in certain... I'd walk down certain parts of the street and feel extra, extra, extra rotten.
Was that the 5G and the 6G, do you reckon?
They can... They being the people who control the technology... Now, you're talking about... Say the name of the place again.
Hong Kong.
Oh, in Hong Kong.
Yes!
Hong Kong would be perfect because it was British before, right?
So, Hong Kong, they could have some of those wonderful Elon Musk or otherwise CubeSats up there directing microwaves with certain frequencies and it could even be that it's carrying another frequency that they want a certain mood in an area And they can do it at will.
This is a weapon system from hell.
And it is fully operant now.
So, I personally see that my town is being hit with something, and it would use the cell towers, it would use particularly your iPhone, Which is why I don't own one.
It's a weapon system that's brilliant.
Absolutely brilliant.
So it uses your iPhone to help?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh, okay.
I'd already hated my iPhone.
Actually, since your last podcast with you I saw, I was thinking, I must cut down on my iPhone usage.
But of course, they try and trick you in all sorts of ways.
It doesn't matter.
They have your iPhone, you know, your IP address or whatever they call it.
And they have, think about it, they have the nanobots now helping them.
They're in your body.
They're in our brain.
They're in us.
They are alive in a hive sense.
They share a hive mind.
This is a very extraordinary synthetic biology species, the nanobots.
It's made on an atomic level.
Remember that.
The last time that we had something on an atomic level that we know about, we the public, was the Manhattan Project.
And that was the atomic level as well.
So we have to change our thinking and our trust.
I don't know.
I'm a 60s person.
None of us trusted the establishment.
We didn't own cars.
We wouldn't own cars.
We didn't have insurance policies.
You know, we may have graduated from college with a PhD, but by golly, we didn't work for any corporations.
No.
No, we didn't.
Well, I don't know.
What about Ben and Jerry?
I mean, never trust a hippie, they say.
Come on.
Some of your generation turned really bad.
No, some of the gen... I'm talking always about the phalanx.
Sorry, I didn't clarify that.
There's a phalanx of that, and I was in it.
I was one of the movers and shakers of that phalanx.
I was one of the good guys in the phalanx, the good guy phalanx.
So, just to say regarding these people who don't want to believe, who don't want to do anything particularly to endanger their skin, or their children, I understand.
You know, these corporations are powerful.
And if you wonder why a lot of very smart people are just going with the program, well, I would think blackmail, photos with pedophile activities going on.
I would think a variety of things to control people because the one thing I know about evil is no matter where you are in the ladder of evil, you will do anything, anything In order to succeed in what you want.
So that's the bottom line.
And the people who are going along with it, they have no choice really.
But does that let them off the hook?
No, they had a choice at a certain point.
They took the wrong road.
Well, it's funny, even though it's kind of an important subject which affects us all, I haven't done that many podcasts about transhumanism, but what you're saying rings absolutely true of what I know of the Bible.
And as a Christian yourself, you will be familiar with the whole nature of the supernatural struggle that is happening Right now and that the enemies of God essentially want to write God out of existence by creating a simulacrum of his creation a sort of a sort of well version 2.0 if you like.
We saw this in the story of the Tower of Babel Where they were trying to build a tower up to heaven and God intervened.
He didn't like that.
He saw what was going on and divided us into different languages.
This is really what's happening, isn't it?
You've got this kind of satanic class trying to replace God's creation with a synthetic version thereof.
Yes, and in the book I just wrote on geoengineering, I recall something I wrote in the second book, Under an Ionized Sky, From Chemtrails to Space Fence Lockdown.
Very important book.
I had a guide through that book of an MKUltra survivor who worked, who was owned by the CIA his entire life, Billy Hayes, and Billy Billy led me to what I needed to see in order to understand how far this was going to go.
So, bless Billy, he's dead now.
I think if we can take responsibility for being here.
Now, materialism has claimed most intellectuals.
I don't know.
Rather than stand around and figure out who to blame, let's just accept that that's true.
And for them, the idea of God, the idea of the divine, is all sort of laughable to them.
Are they real Satanists?
Probably not.
If they haven't signed on the dotted line with their blood in one way or another, or with child torture.
and sacrifice, then they're probably not the card-carrying Satanists.
But Satanism is doing very well today because of the materialism that has infested our culture for, well, since the beginning, I would say, of the 20th century.
I would say it goes all the way back there.
I saw it earlier.
It's always been with us.
You look at the history of the Royal Society, for example, how that was infiltrated by occultists.
No, no, it's always been present.
It's always been present, particularly in the UK, I might add.
But it's, you know, the UK did the service of bringing it here as well.
But what I mean is that in science, There used to be atheism, and that was pretty fresh and clean.
I always liked talking to atheists at parties when I was younger, because at least they care enough to believe there might be a god and that they need to kill him.
But when the Satanists entered the picture, the atheism developed a viciousness.
A real viciousness and that's what we have in science now is certainly when you know Pfizer says that you know I mean what's happening in the Pfizer vaccine you would be shocked by because I am convinced this is right this is true that it actually can go all the way to the soul level.
All the way.
Ah, well this is what Steiner said, isn't it?
Yes, yes.
He predicted that these so-called vaccines would cut the soul off.
Right, and that's because, the reason I say that, as long as we're going down this road, I have met a few young people who've been on what are called, and I never remember what the acronym stands for, on SSRIs, antidepressants, anti-psychotics, straight from Big Pharma.
And what I have decided because of these young people I've met whose families may have put them with the best intentions in the world, but pretty ignorant, on SSRIs when they were in high school because they were depressed and they didn't like to see their daughter or son more worried about suicide or whatever.
And then when the young person finally got strong enough and went off of the Oh, whatever kind of drug it was.
The symptoms that went with the drug, some of which are visual, like they call them delusions, but they're actual entities.
Actual, they see entities.
Those entities did not live, leave when the drug stopped.
So, what do we have here?
I mean, what is this person making it up so therefore it's not serious?
This is someone seeing it, and they're telling me the truth to the best of their ability because they think I might have some insight.
What am I going to write it off as?
Oh no, that can't be.
No, there are entities.
And there are entities.
And there are entities.
And when you create a vacuum in the human soul, such as with an SSRI, an antidepressant, an antipsychotic, that vacuum, as the old adage goes in physics, you know, nature abhors a vacuum, that vacuum will be filled by something.
And if you don't have a spiritual life, That you can call your own.
A good spiritual life for the good.
Well, you will be food for, like my red blood cells are, for the Morgellons creature.
So that's what I learned from these young people that I was listening to.
They were still having those terrible dreams and visions.
And that's what finally convinced me that Big Pharma, has black magicians working for it and they're not ignorant.
Right.
So that's the level of the, uh, when I say that we're at war now in a spiritual war, that's the level at which I'm thinking.
Uh, just because something is a substance does not mean it does not have a spiritual counterpart.
Not at all.
Yes.
So there is no comfort.
In thinking, oh well I just won't deal with that.
Sorry about that, that's not going to work.
Yeah, I've got personal experience of this and I'm not going to describe it here on the podcast but I just like anyone who's listening to pray for me about this particular situation I'm in because it's one of those situations I think only God can deal with it.
Well, and the spiritual world is real.
Yeah, it's real.
You ask, and help is on its way.
That's how it works for me.
I've been hit.
I've been hit by, I assume, the CIA, but, you know, the CIA is not what most people think.
It's not an agency.
It's a huge power in this country, especially since it developed its investment arm called In-Q-Tel.
And In-Q-Tel, with the CIA as an agency, gives it power, corporate power.
I don't know.
I think the CIA owns masses of stocks and masses of businesses.
And then it gives it the safety and security of A big budget from the administration, whatever administration it is.
So, you know, when I say CIA, it's not funny.
I'm talking about a very powerful... It's like having a nation run by the KGB, the way we were programmed to think of the KGB, whether or not that was true.
I assume it was, because I've read Solzhenitsyn's book on the Gulag.
You know, evil is real.
And I can do the intellectual thing till the cows come home.
But I just want to say, I also work on the level of good and evil.
Because that's my job.
The job is about all of that.
I think I just lost my partner.
here.
Where'd he go?
Well, I'll go ahead.
So, So, what can we do about this quandary we're in, that we were invited into and didn't know what we were being invited into?
First of all, I think it has to do, the first thing to do is to really take stock of your lifestyle.
What is your relationship with electromagnetics?
What toys do you have?
I've never owned a television because I realized in the 60s that it was a mind control device.
Now and then we'll watch something on my computer.
I love old British detective stories.
That sort of thing.
So I'm not a Luddite.
I don't want you to think that's what I do.
I'm a writer.
I need my computer.
Um Ilana, I I just I don't know what you were saying for the last three minutes because Because my my Wi-Fi or whatever.
I find this a lot particularly when I was talking about sensitive subjects that Yeah, the electronics go haywire and yeah, that's typical it's like YouTube sees my name and immediately yeah videos gone
So, no, I was just seeing that you were gone, I started picking up what people could do, and the first thing I recommend is that they take stock of all their electromagnetic devices, and really consider which ones they absolutely need, and get rid of the rest, because your
Your electromagnetic footprint is exceedingly, exceedingly important to this whole thing.
That's where I describe that in the Under an Ionized Sky book.
I talk about the electromagnetic calibration of the entire space fence, all the way from above the planet down to all the radar installations, the utility companies, 60 Hertz or 50 Hertz in the walls, whatever.
It's all there.
It's all in that book.
I crammed it all in there to show how all that can be used, but it has to be calibrated.
So for you as a citizen who wants to devote yourself to good things and to have wonderful children and that sort of thing, you must minimize your electromagnetic footprint.
And for example, I have no TV, I have no cell phone, I have a landline and they're trying to make us get rid of them now in America.
They're charging me three times as much for the landline as they do if I would go for a cell phone, but I pay it.
So then I have devices in my electric sockets that are broadcasting friendly frequencies in a circular manner for my environment.
I have it in every single one, so I have like six or seven or eight, that a wonderful electrical engineer came over and tested my environment when I moved into this apartment, which is very cheap by the way, and he gifted me with these devices.
These help immensely.
Where do you get them?
The best place is a place on the net called, wait a minute, I'm going to have to think about that and get back to you.
Yeah, get back to me.
There's one that's expensive but they have a lot of sales and they're very, very good.
Are they in America?
I think they're international.
Where are you on... Do you think crystals are helpful?
Do crystals do good things?
Well, on the small level, yes.
I have all sorts of devices, like you see this pyramid here, that somebody made for me.
I have things like this, people send me.
And this, the holy hand grenades, by Wilhelm Reich Ideas, with lots of orgone in it.
I have these all around my computer.
Yes, if people want to send me this stuff, please do.
Yeah, please do, but make sure it's real.
And then I keep those around the computer because this is the most powerful electromagnetic thing I have.
My bedroom has no electromagnetics in it at all, except, of course, the 60 hertz in the wall.
And because it's an apartment, it has a fire device like you see here.
So I have to live with some of it.
I have to live with some of it.
And that's important to know.
You're going to be compromising, but to the minimal degree.
And I have an old car.
I have a 2001 Honda.
Wonderful car.
Best car I ever own.
But it has almost no computers.
I pull up to lights, the sensors in the lights don't recognize me.
I love it.
So, any new car that you get will have at least 100 to 150 computers in it, so you probably don't want that.
So, when you start to educate yourself about the world you're really living in, the electromagnetic build-up around you, then you can make your decisions.
But until you know that, you know, You're assuming someone will tell you when something's bad for you and that's an assumption you can't afford anymore.
This is just like, you know, it's like as if life wasn't difficult enough already.
I've now got to go the Alana Freeland hippie route.
I never was a real hippie though.
I've known real hippies and they're amazing people.
Can I tell you two of the things I've started doing recently?
One of the things I now spend barefoot on my lawn first thing in the morning.
Very good.
Praying the snails off the iris plants and saying Psalm 118, which I think is maybe my favorite psalm.
So I'm earthing myself.
Very good.
But is there any fertilizer on the lawn?
I just want to make sure there isn't.
No, no fertilizer, no glyphosate, well obviously because you don't want to put glyphosate on your lawn, and I've also started brushing, skin brushing.
Very good, with a loofah?
No, with a back brush, brushing it like all the way from my feet up towards the heart.
You don't need soap, you just need soap.
I don't use soap.
I haven't used soap for... since forever.
I only use it to wash my hands.
I don't use soap.
Is that bad?
No, it's not bad.
It's good.
Was that the CIA?
It's the CIA.
They've got your number.
Oh, they've got my number, alright.
So, um...
Obviously, I can't go back in time and have done 50 years of Chinese medicine.
So, how am I going to counteract these Morgellons that are sucking my blood?
Well, like I said... Excuse me, by the way, has everyone got an iron deficiency as a result of this?
Not necessarily.
Not necessarily.
No, because iron oxide is actually one of the problems with the chemical trails.
They're dumping iron on us.
It's not, again, I'm not totally, I haven't spent the time on that, to be totally clear with you, but I know that much.
Right.
So no, but our blood needs iron, and it's just that when you breathe iron oxide in, it's a very different thing from having iron in your blood.
Yes.
It's going to go through a process.
And the process may not end up this way.
Okay, so when I said that you begin with your electromagnetic footprint, that has to do with Morgellons too, or whatever pathogens you might have if you've been jabbed.
You have to take that into account.
Mark Ellens loves electromagnetism because electromagnetism makes acidity.
It makes endless, endless, endless acidity.
And that, of course, is what you find in dead bodies and the very ill.
Acidity goes with illness and death.
And electromagnetism goes with illness and death.
Because there's another force we have in our bodies, if Rudolf Steiner is excellent on this, called the ether, the etheric.
And that term was banned from science in the West in the 1920s.
They took that away as not important and no way to measure it.
That was what they said, that they couldn't keep it because There was no real way to measure it, so it's sort of a spiritual fluff thing.
But it's anything but.
When the etheric is, as a Waldorf feature, I know how important the etheric body is.
So if we're around a lot of electromagnetism, it weakens that etheric body and our immune system suffers.
And we cannot defend ourselves.
And of course, that's what they want in this environment that they've built for us, that we take You know, we call things progress when they're actually cutting us off from the divine.
We can't see the stars anymore.
We're constantly breathing in these devices that are being run from laptops in Colorado Springs and, you know, what's it called?
Menwith Hill in England.
This is the future coming for us now.
The future that the Satanic want for the world because of their, yes, their argument with God, but it's also what Rudolf Steiner says that this is the age in which the Aramonic will become very powerful.
And he separates evil into the Luciferic and the Aramonic.
So the Aramonic is very much a sort of deadening force.
The Luciferic is very much a sort of losing yourself in having no focus and in fear, but a certain kind of fear.
And so you have this, you know, everybody comes to the earth in a different era and they have to figure out how to live in it.
We could all say that we'd like to wish we lived in the pioneer days or something.
Well, they had their own problems.
So, I definitely was not a technology person before.
I've always been smart because I was, you know, in the 50s they made me skip two grades and I graduated high school very young and emotionally was a basket case, but because I was smart they thought that was good enough and just ship her on, you know, and then I was beautiful and, you know, that sort of thing in America.
Nobody thinks very deeply here.
We don't prepare our children very deeply.
Big mistake.
Because now we're entering an era in which we won't be told a lot of technical things.
We're going to have to really think our way through.
Not just find a guide that they'll slavishly follow other than NASA, which is nothing but a PR firm.
So I think I try to appeal to people to come and join me.
Because I can't do this alone, and I'm very happy with the things I write, but I know I'm writing in an era in which people don't read.
It's like, you know, you can only read little teeny bits before your concentration is sort of shattered.
That's from the electromagnetic environment.
So if you control your electromagnetic environment, you will find yourself getting much smarter.
Yeah, although I'm pretty smart.
I don't know.
I'm pretty smart.
I'm so smart.
I'm not sure about yourself, but about yourself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know you're smart.
No, I was joking.
This all sounds good advice.
Ilana, you've made me think that you're so interesting.
I'm going to have to get you back on the on the podcast.
You're a great discovery and I'm delighted to have made your acquaintance.
And yours.
You're quite wonderful, too.
Oh, I love you.
Now, I remember, on the last time I heard you speak, you made quite a passionate defense of Steiner.
And, you know, I'm... I'm open-minded on the subject.
I know a lot of my sort of... Christian.
There's a section among my Christian following who think that Steiner is essentially an occultist and that he has his take on Christianity is Which of course they don't know at all.
They just hear that trigger word occult and they think people.
I understand that but I'm here to tell you that the reason that Steiner was killed before the end of his time at 64 was because he's a Christian occultist.
He is a Christian occultist.
He knows exactly who Christ was and he knows exactly how he had to prepare people for just the era we're in now, 100 years after his death.
He died in 1925.
So, please make no assumptions because someone is an occultist I'm not good enough to be an occultist, but I know occult things.
And all occult means is hidden.
They're hidden things.
Now, the Satanist has an occultism that is not mine.
I do not subscribe to a Satanic occultism.
But I do subscribe to a Christian occultism that gives me details about how to fight this war.
And Christians are fools.
to be turned away by a trigger word they've been programmed with.
They don't want you studying people like Rudolf Steiner, because you may find out how to fight this war.
This is a very serious war.
We could actually, and this is why I've started working so hard a few years ago, I realized, my God, we may not have a human race.
Very shortly.
And that cannot be allowed because in that human race, God has made it so that we all can utilize our free will and make our own decisions with the help of the spiritual world that we, of course, cannot exactly see.
So, we must take the tools that are offered to us.
I was very fortunate to have found Rudolf Steiner and I found him through Waldorf education.
You start teaching in a Waldorf classroom these little kids who are just precious.
He gives you real tools to help them in a culture that's already fallen.
Fallen!
And You see how these children turn out.
You're not using occultism in the classroom.
You're using it to prepare yourself to help them heal the parts that have become weak already by first grade.
From TV.
From, you know, family degeneration.
So, yeah, please, I say this to all Christians that I meet, and I have very few Christian friends, as you can imagine, because they're all, they're all being misled about the role that Rudolf Steiner has truly played to give these Waldorf schools biodynamic farming, biodynamic farming to build the best food with powerful forces in it to help us
In our immune system.
So we reserve judgment for God and get rid of that trigger word.
Get rid of that trigger word that the occult is always bad.
It's not.
Biodynamic farming really seems to work.
Oh yes!
In a way that just like makes the mind boggle because it seems just like crazy woo stuff.
Well I know, because we've decided that everything is woo that isn't surface.
But look how living a surface life and thinking surface thoughts, look what it's done to us.
It's made us stupid.
It's made us incredibly stupid.
And we need to get that back, because these Satanists, they're working till midnight and getting up at dawn.
You know, not all of them, but... Well, no, I was going to say not all of them.
Some of them are just... The leaders, the leaders... On the Dreaded Crow Morges, and just like... And years ago, when I lived in London, I met a guy who had, an Italian, who was at the Steiner bookstore I was perusing, and he had worked in the Vatican for 35 years.
And he's the one who taught me that The Vatican, even.
And this would be the Black Popes, I would assume.
The Black Pope and the Jesuits.
But the Jesuits read Steiner daily.
Well, shoot!
The bad guys are reading Steiner every day, and yet hardly anyone in America knows about Steiner and the powerful tools he has to offer us.
What has happened here?
Something not good.
What, as a Steinerian, I mean, what's your explanation as to why it is that some of us are awake and most of us aren't?
Oh, I guess I don't want you to ask that question.
Hmm.
I'm back.
Yay!
Yeah.
Why is it, do you think, that you and I... Well, why am I awake?
How come... Why am I awake and most people aren't?
Was it a divine mission, or what?
Well... Now you're opening a very big door, and... Oh, I like a big door.
Like we're going back to the 330s when the Council of Nicaea decided that they would toss reincarnation out in the West.
I've heard this one, yeah.
So that people would only concentrate on this life.
That was their thinking, according to Steiner.
But what happened, see when I was 8, my 5th grade teacher, I was in the 5th grade when And I could do the work easily and then I would be bored and my teacher had the wisdom to give me something, a task, that would challenge my little mind.
And she gave me the challenge of reorganizing the school library according to the Dewey Decimal System.
So I would go every day after I finished my work to the library, the school library, a very quaint little elementary school library.
And I would be working on the Dewey Decimal System to get all the books arranged.
And I was very happy because I was alone.
It was quiet.
I didn't have to put up with nonsense.
And then one day, there was a book open on the table.
And it was Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
Now, I had never read that.
So I stood there and read it.
And was fascinated by it.
It's a wonderful short story.
And then as I'm finishing it, I had the overwhelming sense that I had known the man who wrote this story.
Now, I didn't know that he had lived 2,500 years ago.
I just had the fleeting momentary thought, oh yeah, I know the man who wrote this.
And then I forgot about it.
I totally forgot about it.
And then when I was 17, I reread the story.
And then I remembered what had happened to me when I was eight.
And then I began to wonder, would there be a divine God who would only allow human beings one lifetime of eight or nine decades in order to become their highest manifestation?
No.
That would not happen.
Not a good God to give people just one little moment.
No, it was because people were identifying with their body.
I don't identify with this body.
I love Ilana.
I think she's pretty cool.
And she has developed quite well from being very challenged.
But this is not All there is.
So why are there people who are awake and people who aren't?
Well, I'm sure it has something to do with that.
With how many times we've been here.
How much work we've done on ourselves.
How willing we are to put aside all the appetites and the desires and the strokes that we're getting from other people and follow our own vision As to what we should be doing here in service to humanity and the divine.
Boom!
Seems to me that I've already done a lot of work, but I got a rocky start here.
And it took until I was 45 for me to remember some very important things that happened to me when I was a child.
From my U.S.
Navy intelligence father, I might add.
But once I was able to remember that, I was free.
I was free.
There's a whole other can of worms.
A US Naval... I mean, that's only a tell, isn't it, for Romans?
It's like the worst.
So, was he a baddie?
Huh?
Was your dad a baddie?
Yes, he was.
He was a chemist, a very brilliant chemist, a brilliant man.
Very abused and used and he did the same to me.
And so for me, I had to find my way out of what he almost literally inserted into me and to liberate myself for the work I really came to do.
But I didn't know he was Navy Intelligence.
No one in my family knew that until I tried to get car insurance for being a Navy brat And the woman looked up his record to see when he was discharged and said he was never discharged and that his records are sealed under perpetuity in Washington, D.C.
So did I know that before when I was starting to do a lot of conspiracy theory type of research on why the United States was going down?
I had already started all that.
Well, I think intuitively, in my spiritual self, I knew the path I had to take in order to find out where I had lost my way.
And to heal myself so that I could continue the work I came to do.
Right.
Unless, of course, Alana, you are actually a deep, deep, deep cover counter-agent.
Because your cover's pretty plausible, but... I didn't know!
The children of intelligence people, they're just like... I mean, what's that guy?
What's he called?
Well, they're all... Tate.
Andrew Tate.
His dad was CIA.
You know, it's just like... My dad was not CIA, so you can totally trust me.
And he wasn't my dad.
Oh, I love it.
Thanks.
I just love, you know, laughing.
Thank God we can laugh, you know.
Can I just say, Ilona, I mean, I don't know why, obviously, I would be in enormous trouble with all my Christian brethren if I even gave a hint that I was sympathetic to reincarnation.
But I would like to say, if I am a reincarnation of anyone or anything, I was definitely a horse in a previous life.
I just, you know... Aren't they wonderful?
I can't explain why am I, who live in a non-horsey family, no horses at all, we don't do horses, why am I into horses?
Not in a Catherine the Great way, but you know, why do I like horses?
Well, I think you ought to read George Patton's autobiography.
I read it.
I'm a huge fan of General George Patton.
And Ronald said he was the greatest general he'd ever faced on the battlefield.
So he said, if you read his autobiography, he remembers being in the Peloponnesian Wars.
He remembers!
If you were George Patton, you would kind of choose to have been a general in the He's from a family that had five generals all having to do with the, I believe I'm right in this, the Civil War.
I mean, he's from a family in which it's military, military, military, military, military.
And yet what struck me was that he had no shame.
And a great Christian, I might add, he's a great Christian.
He had no shame in saying that he remembered fighting in the Peloponnesian Wars.
Right.
You've made me, because I'm sympathetic to Patton because he was assassinated by the same people who are going to assassinate us.
Yes, he was.
Yes, he was.
Probably.
So, I'm sympathetic to him, and I do like that film, Patton, Lust for Glory.
Very good.
Yep.
And, so, yeah.
Why wouldn't I want to read that?
The autobiography, though.
It's worth reading.
His autobiography is worth reading.
He's a phenomenal man.
But anyway... No, I read...
I leave you free to... The reincarnation thing, I tend to think that only if you need to remember will you remember.
I have never gone to a channeler or any of that new age crap.
I can't stand that stuff.
No.
It came to me fresh as a child.
I have always assumed that a good God would give at least some of us... Maybe I'm just so special.
I don't think so.
Give all of us this opportunity to develop on the earth for many, many, many, many lifetimes.
That makes sense to me.
But you may not need it, so don't worry about it.
Don't worry at all.
I don't mind that you all think I'm deluded.
Go ahead.
I think you're lovely.
I won't have a word said against you, Lara.
I appreciate it.
Now, yes, I'm going to say, tell us about where we can buy your stuff and read your books and find your work.
Okay, so you can get it all on evil Amazon, but the book The Geoengineered Transhumanism, the last book I wrote, 650 pages, that has, I can't remember, I think it's 60 illustrations, you won't be able to get a color copy there.
So I highly recommend paying maybe 15 or more dollars more than you would on Amazon and get the color copy from a little tiny bookstore out someone's backyard in Seattle It's called the Rudolph Steiner Bookstore.
He carries everything I write.
And that's including, I've also written a series.
You might be interested in this, James.
I've written a series called Sabrosa America, A Deep State History.
It's in a fictional format, but it is basically history of America from the basement, from what has been hidden from us, and it's probably my greatest work, would be how I look at it.
But it is, that's out, it's four books, 1,500 pages, or 1,300 pages, and I highly recommend it, particularly for people who I don't really understand what the 60s, what was going on then, because we were at war with the CIA.
We were at war.
They were on our trail.
We were the largest generation in history.
We're known for that.
So, anyway, that's the, if you want anything I've written, you could get it at the Rudolf Steiner Bookstore, and you're helping out a very nice guy who has a very tiny little thing going in his backyard.
I am beginning the Synthetic Biology book.
It will be a showstopper beyond belief.
I'm doing this for the future.
When they look back and wonder why everything was so silent on these huge, huge issues, they will at least find my little offering.
And it only remains to me to thank My viewers and listeners, I hope you enjoyed this podcast.
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And Elana Freeland, thank you again.
Please will you come back on the Deling Pod?
Please will you promise me?
Do not get assassinated until our next podcast.
One can hope.
Well, we do our best, don't we?
Well, and you and I are Christians.
We know who's really in charge here.
Well, we do.
Do you think we get protection?
Oh, absolutely.
I am so protected.
Even despite the few times that my life has been made miserable by these people that are I just want to give me a taste of the baddies now and then, to let me know that they're still around.
