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Welcome to the Dellingpod, Matt Errett.
That's how I pronounce it, isn't it?
Eret?
You marvelously well.
Yeah, most people stumble across that.
You picked it up and ran with it perfectly.
That's it.
Well, it could have been Eret, I suppose.
You know, Canada, maybe, you know, French.
I think a lot of people, it could be, but a lot of people, they overthink it and they try to, like, say, uh, uh, an Eret or something, or a, they're like, is it a Turkish, Arabic thing, or I don't know.
Yeah, is it?
Is it?
No, I don't even, no, it's just a German thing, as far as I could tell.
OK.
What does it mean?
I don't know.
I don't know.
My family never did the work to dig that far back.
I know at some point... Anyway, there's a whole story there.
Here's a conspiracy theory to get you going, Matt.
You've told me you are flying off to... Can I reveal this?
Yeah, you're flying.
Yeah.
No, you're flying off.
So after this podcast pretty much you're going to you're going to fly off to Thailand.
Yeah, I can tell you you are probably doing the right thing in terms of grabbing it while you can because can I run a theory?
I run a theory by you.
I got this from a I did a podcast with Sasha Latipova and she pointed out on her sub stack, which is very, very good.
She pointed out that Airbnb had issued this new, these new terms and conditions, essentially, meaning they don't have to give your money back if, if your government suddenly decides to cancel air meaning they don't have to give your money back if, if your government It's not their problem anymore.
Now, my theory on this, and I really wanted to get it out in the open so that people can say, yeah, James said this.
You notice that they've been Chemtrailing the hell out of us for the last, for the last, I mean, you know, they've really ramped it up in the last 20 to 30 years.
It's been since the 90s.
It really got underway, right?
Yeah, but but in the last six months, it's been so intense that even normies are having difficulty looking up at the skies and denying the evidence before them.
They're even doing crisscross patterns.
They're kind of mocking us sometimes.
It's so blindingly obvious and people are starting to look up in the sky and they're realizing that these things they've been trained to think of as contrails and are harmless.
These things are spreading out and forming these clouds and we've had in England, I don't know about Canada, we've had cloud, cloud, cloud, cloud, cloud since
Since about, since at least January, we've had non-stop rain to the point where farmers have been unable to plant their seeds, where livestock farmers have been having, you know, increases in dead stock and stuff, you know, stillborn lambs and things like this.
All sorts of problems.
Anyway, here's my theory.
I think that they are going to use this as an excuse to shut down air travel.
They're going to suddenly discover that that yeah, it seems that commercial Airlines airliners are the contrails from these aircraft are are deleteriously affecting our environment.
We know we've got to act now to stop it.
I think that's what's going on.
Yeah, do you have any thoughts on this?
It's a complex point you're raising.
Is this possible?
Yeah, I do think it is entirely possible.
We know that they certainly want to shut down commercial air travel for the plebes, who can't afford $20,000 tickets on very elitist airlines that will be permitted to travel in the post-Great Reset Age.
Only for those in the upper clubs, you know?
So they want to do that, of course, to keep everybody as controlled, as localized as possible in, you know, little 15-minute cities as part of the new democracy.
So, yeah, cutting us off, letting our infrastructure decay, which has been an ongoing thing.
This has been thought through for decades, right?
Yeah.
Making sure that America once had 50 The United States as a whole lost 50% of its rail lines that it once had in the 1960s.
They're gone now.
The highways even are dilapidated.
Much of our infrastructure, there's a $5 billion infrastructure deficit in North America.
Canada is no different.
So there's a conscious, willful decay process that is now, I think, shifting gears into a more aggressive Shut down of those means of communicating with the outside world.
I've got a book on chemtrails that I've just been reading.
I was trying to look behind me.
Um... Oh, I don't know.
My bookshelf is too big.
Anyway, it's up there somewhere, but it... I'm increasingly persuaded that the... The chemtrails themselves are part of, I believe, this particular book.
Again, I wish I had it available.
Makes the point of the, um...
A very good case that it's part of the weather modification program that grew out of the Manhattan Project after World War II.
Yeah.
Where this whole secret science programming didn't disappear once the Nazis were defeated, it just sort of grew out of the different... Wait, Matt, I've just got to let in Weisskasten.
Hang on.
Okay.
I got it.
I got it.
Chemtrails exposed.
Yeah.
When you want to start it again, I'll be ready.
No, no, that's fine.
So, we like interruptions on this podcast.
Oh, this is going to be in the show?
Okay.
Well, maybe it will be or maybe a little bit will be edited out.
I don't know.
I never know.
I sort of leave it in the lap of the gods.
Yeah, I think you're right that weather modification has been in play Since at least Second World War.
And we know, don't we, that the technology of the Deep State, or whatever you want to call them, the powers that be, is about 70 years in advance of what they show us at any given time.
They've been messing with our weather for decades.
Yeah, I do, and I finally found the book that I was mentioning, The Chemtrails Exposed, a new Manhattan Project.
It's one of the most responsible approaches I've seen taken to the topic by Peter Kirby.
Very good book.
A lot of original citations referencing direct quotes as well as policies that were applied in the 50s and the 60s pertaining to this issue of Weather modification, but also that it involves both an appreciation of the electromagnetic aspect of chemistry, that there are certain, you know, certain chemical byproducts that have an electromagnetic relationship with the ionosphere, with the magnetic field.
That's part of one of the aspects of the suppressed science that the plebes are not allowed to really gain an understanding of, although it has been used within the military-industrial covert science programs for a very long time, is this idea of harmonics and frequencies.
Which is, I mean, all true science emerges from an understanding of harmonics, whether it's the ancient Pythagoreans and their insights into the fabric of physical space-time pertaining to the musical frequencies and the geometry associated with how the mind can come to know the square, the triangle, by constructions geometrically, and then looking at the relationships on a string vibrationally of the sounds that are emitted by a string cut by three, by four, by five, you know, pentagon, hexagon, triangle.
That will result in the soul finding joy and pleasure in beauty or dissonances, right?
Certain frequencies like the devil's interval, the C and the F-sharp that cancel out, right?
There's certain dissonant frequencies invariably.
And so that's been part of what's made all good scientific discoveries, but the oligarchy is really good at trying to... If you can't destroy a scientific discovery, try to at the very least co-opt it.
Use the effects of it technologically, but don't allow your victims to know how the discovery works.
So get them to memorize formulas.
Right?
But not understand how the formula was created.
What were the questions that resulted in the answers, which were the formulas, at the end of the whole process.
So, I mean, I think that this thing here is nice in the sense that it gives me a good, broad introduction.
There are probably very negative health effects as well, but they've been trying to create a climate whereby they can convince the world for the past... I think this got underway around the early 60s.
Yeah.
idea that we could associate a byproduct of industrial civilization with global warming originally it was global cooling in the in the 70s and by by making everybody afraid of some convenient byproduct of agro-industrial civilization
we could invariably uh choose to illegalize that byproduct which would thus shut down that industrial output that would otherwise cause people to be sustained at higher quality of living standards and other things and thus result in our own acquiescence to our own genocide So I think they've been trying to do that for a long time.
And the fact that the world has been going into global... We're on the verge of an ice age, not warming.
That's what the sun is showing us.
All the astrophysical evidence shows us that we're on the verge of an ice age.
And so I think they've been really trying to manipulate the magnetic field and whatever effects they have over weather, especially over cities, using... I think chemtrails have played a role in that, to try to create a situation where The warming can be maintained on some level, even though the evidence is showing us it's not really happening.
Yeah.
I like your phrase, acquiesce in our own genocide, because that, it seems to me, is how they work.
They've got their master plan, which is to kill us, immiserate us, enslave us, remove all the freedoms that we celebrate and have come to take for granted, or if you can call them freedoms, because I'm not sure we're ever as free as we thought.
They need, because there are many of us and so few of them, they need our permission to let them do what they're planning to do.
So they have to provide these excuses.
So they've spent, as you suggested, the last, what, since the 1950s at least, probably funded by the Rockefellers, they've pushed the whole Industrial civilization is damaging our planet.
You should worry about this.
You should feel guilty about this.
Planes are part of it.
Air travel is part of it.
We've got to learn to live without our freedoms.
And having persuaded the public to buy into this lie, they then can move on to the next step, which is actually taking away people's air travel, forcing us to live in 15-minute cities.
But we've given them permission to do it because we are They're very good at brainwashing us, aren't they?
Well, they're... I think it was HG Wells who had made this point in his autobiography that one of the best advantages that the British Empire has is people's unwillingness to think of evil.
And I think that that's, you know, to the degree that we are ignorant of the true essence of epistemology and the structure of sophistry that allows the evil to appear good, which is the... that's what sophistry is, right?
Making the false to appear true.
It requires certain types of emotional rhetorical techniques of manipulation, as well as certain logical backflips that can be used through syllogisms, basic Aristotelian syllogisms, you know?
If it's got four legs and you could sit on it, it must be a chair, but then it's like, well then that horse must actually be a chair according to that formula, but so you could use these things to slowly pull people logically into an unreality.
And mixed with malevolent occult intentions that might want to keep people in a cave where they believe that the shadows on the cave wall are reality, if that's what you actually want to do in order to enslave them with the appearance of freedom, then that's a very dangerous situation.
And only people who have an insight into their own powers of making discoveries, because every human being can make a discovery, And learn how to use these faculties that God gave us.
The conscience, the powers of reasoning.
We can get better at using these things.
We could misuse these things.
We could use it the way that the instrument was designed to be used.
But then that's the whole question of, like, well, what is wisdom versus sophistry, right?
Like, philosophia versus sophia.
So the sophists profess to have the wisdom.
The philosophers profess to love the wisdom.
And that's more valuable, to love it, because it's always a process of ongoing discovery.
And acting upon the new discoveries by going back into the cave, as Plato had advised, that people, when they leave the cave, if you want to be a true philosopher, you have to be willing to go back into the cave to help your fellow cave dwellers, even if they're going to kill you.
And that's the part of Plato's Republic that the oligarchy despises, is they like the aspects that Plato talks about, of getting out of the cave and seeing the light of the sun in reality as it is, so that you can lord over and manipulate the majority living in the shadowland.
But they hate the part, they wish Plato never said this part, where Plato says that you have to want, you have to need to go back into the cave to be a true philosopher, even at the expense of your own life.
Because they're gonna hate you, if you, you know, the people will hate you if you tell them that they're, what they thought was reality is a fraud.
Um, so, I think that that's the thing.
People don't know what sophistry... They've been miseducated to not appreciate sophistry.
Our school system has been intentionally dumbed down so that we don't... We've been taught to memorize things instead of discover things, and because of these...
This numbing, this mediocritization, especially over the past 60-70 years, we've lost the aptitude to see beyond the surface appearance of things and see intentions, invisible but real intentions, that are causing the physical world to move in a certain direction.
We can't see it because we don't believe it, because we believe in our senses and what, you know, experts tell us instead, which is how we've been conditioned.
So that's all part of the factor, factors that play into this Absurdity, but yeah, yeah, I I knew that Thing is Matt, when I booked you in for this podcast, I knew that we could talk about anything because one of the joys of listening to you and reading your sub stack is that you know so much stuff.
You are endlessly curious and one of the things I love about what you do is that you sort of reinforce something I've discovered in the last two or three years, which is that Every big event that we were told about that was drawn to our attention by our lying media is a lie.
So, for example, Tiananmen Square, the massacre that didn't happen, you know, the evil Chinese.
I'm not saying the Chinese are lovely, but they didn't.
Or I think you mentioned Three Mile Island recently.
That was a That was a scam, yeah.
I mean, that was just another psy-op.
You've been writing about Tesla.
Tesla, recently.
I know you've written about five essays on this.
Give me the TLDR on what you've discovered about Tesla.
I will, and I'll do it in the most summary fashion possible, but I encourage people listening...
To go to my substack to read, and I've made it all for free, I was thinking, am I going to charge?
It's like, no, it's too important.
So they could read parts, so far part 1 to 8 is available publicly.
There's going to be 12 parts, or 13 parts, culminating in What is Elon Musk?
and this new Tesla revival.
So that's what we're building up towards.
But I, like most people, always had very positive feelings towards Tesla.
You can't avoid, you know, the great genius, you know, who is not appreciated or even attacked in his age, who's been suppressed and all these things, and who tried to save the world through building death beams, you know, laser beams that would, like, make war impossible, but people were too stupid and greedy and they didn't listen.
So anyway, I...
I believe that as well and then in the course of my wife and I have been composing a series of films on the hidden hand behind UFOs over the last year and a half or so the project began and that's forced us to look more seriously at the occult going back to ancient times and the ancient mysteries mystery religions that shaped the
The thinking and also the geopolitical dynamics of the ancient world, pre-Christian, but even during the Christian age and how these cults sort of infiltrated through the Gnostic sects, creating pseudo-Christian Gnostic cults like the Manichaeans and the, you know, the...
The Marcians and the Valentinians and these different groups that were trying to bring in like the Book of, you know, the Gospel of Seth and the Gospel of Thomas and other things that were trying to infuse the Isis, Demeter, Mithraic rituals and ceremonies into a Christian sort of wineskin to dismantle it from within.
That was part of what the battles at Nicaea were all about doing combat with, which had a pseudo success at purging this cult effort.
But all that to say, they didn't disappear after many of these occult societies were banned towards the end of the Roman Empire.
They went underground in a variety of ways.
Some of them created different other pseudo-Christian orders, like the Benedictines, that grew out of one of these Mithraic cells in Rome in the 6th century.
Other, you know, pseudo-Christian orders like the Benedictines that grew out of one of these Mithraic cells in Rome in the 6th century.
Some of them subdivided and created like the Templars, the Hospitallers, these other different groups.
And so it ties all the way into our modern age.
And so we had to start appreciating some of that topography to begin to make sense of, well, what the hell are this whole UFO mythos?
What has this been all about?
And so in doing so, the figure of Nikola Tesla kept on popping up when we were approaching the 19th and 20th century, especially H.G. Wells networks.
um, The Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton Network, who was part of the Rosicrucian Revival in England.
He was the Minister of the Colonies, a major occultist in London.
He's the guy who formulated, you know, Vril, The Coming Race.
Oh, crap!
Oh, right!
Okay, and he also wrote It Was a Dark and Stormy Night, didn't he?
Wasn't he the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, isn't it true?
If you know the name, they're in the game.
I mean, here's a guy who I thought was best known for writing that kind of hackneyed intro to a novel.
It was a Dark and Stormy Night, but it turns out this guy was an occultist and Yeah.
Oh, so high level.
level i mean he's from two of the the most the oldest powerful family bloodlines in uh in the british um uh high aristocracy that came in through the norman invasion and probably had some viking pagan roots before that um uh during during 1066 uh the norm uh the the litons and the bulwars especially the bulwars anyway i'm saying all of this because um his works especially on the coming race not only inspired like the theosophists blavatsky
all of these these groups that adopted his his philosophy of the hyperborea the root races atlantic all this stuff was like absorbed into them it created the it's like It inspired the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn that, you know, Crowley was a part of later on.
It also inspired the Nazis' Vril Society around this idea that the Aether is this, like, energy that the Clairvoyant, higher bloodline groupings, you know, the Harry Potter, you know, noble families could tap into and blah blah blah.
Anyway, this is part of their inner belief structure, and Tesla played a role.
He was actually inspired by Bulwer-Lytton's coming race to create his automata, his automata, to try to, you know, in Tesla's own writings, to prove that we have no soul and that human beings are programmable by a scientific elite.
That's actually what Tesla himself believed and put into words, and it's documented.
And then I'd see him coming up again with a best friend who is the...
A disciple of Alistair Crowley and a German occult spy who became the official representative of Nazi Germany in America, George Sylvester Verrake, and they're living practically together for like 20 years in like, you know, five-star hotels in New York.
And I'm like, wait a minute, Tesla's name just keeps on popping up in the weirdest places.
So I had to, at a certain point, think there's a story here.
And I just had all of these disparate anomalies that all involve Tesla and I had to shift gears from the UFO series and just focus on piecing together a coherent story that would shed a new hypothesis on what exactly was Tesla.
Why was Tesla?
What did he represent?
What did he do?
And so if people want to know that they could Read my 13-part series, which is on the Substack site.
Right.
So he was not a goodie?
It's not looking good.
It's really not looking good, no.
So where did he get this stuff?
Was he a genius?
And did he find free energy?
Is it such a thing?
No, I think it's a mythology that's been created, that's been cooked up out of thin air.
I think, based on the pedigree of the Invisible College that he was interfacing with, and when I say that I'm talking about the thing that was brought into Britain by...
Robert Flood and his teacher Francesco Zorzi, a Benedictine Kabbalist in the early 16th century.
These were figures, especially Zorzi, who was the advisor to Henry VIII as well as the Pope.
He was the one who was, I think, largely behind the splitting off, the creation of the Anglican Church at that period.
As part of this whole, you know, divide to conquer, splinter up Christianity into a convenient forever divisible thing that would fight each other, fight itself.
Okay, so just let me pause you there.
I mean, I could pause you at any moment because everything you're saying is interesting and needs elaboration.
But, so, Zorzi, you say his name is.
Yeah.
What cause is he serving?
I mean, the service of... Oh, he's a Venetian.
He's from a high-level Venetian family.
The Zorzi family is still a very... I won't say that right now, but the Zorzi family has been a very high-level Venetian family that goes back to the Roman nobility, the Roman patrician high nobility before the Roman Empire collapsed.
And one of the key command centers for this empire has been...
Venice, especially around the 10th century, they began to really gain ascendancy and by the 13th century Venice superseded the Byzantium Empire as becoming the pre-mud to Paris.
Yeah.
And they maintained that control over global bullion trade, maritime trade, controls over the Mongols for a few more centuries.
Very, very core center.
Before the parasite, I would say, you know, migrated to Amsterdam and England and started sinking their tentacles into a new base of operations, geographically speaking.
So, Francesco Zorzi was a Venetian monk and a high-level intelligence operator.
He ran several embassies.
Venice had one of the best, most advanced espionage networks in the world, and they operated through the occult.
Channelers, mediums, kabbalism was a big deal, and so that was one of the ways that they would persuade superstitious
uh... courtiers and nobles to give them access to what's being discussed in various you know courts of europe uh... and uh... they would then also be able to gain the confidence by providing insight into by using astrology and other things into what god or angels or whatever your past life uh... wants you to do or your dead loved one and then they would be able to nudge
You know, superstitious people towards geopolitical outcomes like, you must go to war with Spain!
You must cancel this peace treaty if you want to satisfy this thing, you know?
So you see the geopolitical benefits to having this sort of thing in place.
And Zorzi was the guy who infiltrated, who played I think the most important role in my analysis so far, infiltrating the English courts, purging it of many of its patriots like Thomas More and many others.
Who didn't survive past the 1530s and these groups established the basis of what became the Invisible College.
This sort of occult intelligence network that Francis Bacon, John Dee, again I mentioned Robert Flood was a key figure who ushered in the Rosicrucianism.
Um, you know, as far as the basis of the new speculative Freemasonry that emerged with the United Grand Lodge in the early 1800s, as sort of like the...
The dominant lodge under the control of the Duke of Kent.
So, this is what sort of penetrated the British intelligentsia, the British elite, brainwashed a lot of them, created a structure of controls and other courts that were all interfacing with the same thing.
And the Royal Society after the Civil War of England came out of that process, the British Royal Society.
Yeah, that was full of... they were all Freemasons, weren't they?
I mean, Newton.
Newton seems to me to be Dodgy.
Dodgy as fuck.
That gets us at the Tesla thing because that was the first part one of my Tesla series is specifically on Newton and the Invisible College because Tesla was a defender of Newton and also had a lot of occult connections and handlers that he even referenced to as certain masters that would shape outcomes beyond our control.
But Newton, as you rightfully pointed out, was himself a devotee, not somebody who dabbled in the occult or dabbled in alchemy.
That was his life.
All of the surviving scientific papers of the documenting the experiments of Newton, this is provable, I'll say.
I'm not making this up.
John Maynard Keynes bought a chest from an auction in Cambridge, right?
And opened the damn thing up and is like, finally we'll get to see.
How did Newton make his discoveries?
Because he never told anybody.
It just was all like already digested formulas that are all packaged, crystallized in his Principia Mathematica and nobody knew.
How did he make his discoveries?
What experiments was he setting up?
He never said.
I think it's because they were stolen and repackaged from real scientists whose Discoveries were challenging to the oligarchy and they anyway I'm gonna leave that aside.
Within the chest, it's all just numerology, alchemy, witchcraft.
There's nothing, there's no real science in there.
And then when you dig more deeply, and I cite this, I go through a lot of evidence in my first of the Tesla series, he had handlers like Samuel Clarke, Robert Hooke, a variety of other members of the Invisible College, as they called themselves, this occult Rosicrucian order that would
Attempt to try to blur the line between witchcraft and actual science, to make it seem like science is the effect of witchcraft.
That was the point of what they wanted to do.
And they were taking writings of people like Johannes Kepler, the guy who authored The Harmony of the World in 1619, who actually made real, real discoveries.
of how the planets are arranged.
He's the one who proved not only the elliptical orbits, the second law of equal time, equal area, he proved it.
He tells you how he proved it, but he then proves his third law of planetary motion, utilizing mostly harmonics and the geometry of sound, based upon an idea or a hypothesis that God the Creator created the universe both reasonable and beautiful,
Right, those are the two core hypotheses that animated Kepler's entire life and he demonstrated that all of the planets are where they are around the Sun because of harmonic arrangements, including he factored in even what he postulated would be
He forecasted the asteroid belt, as was discovered 200 years later by Gauss, of what's today the asteroid belt series after the orbit of Mars.
He said that that must be there because there's a dissonance, a devil's interval, at that location.
But, so Kepler's, I think, he tells you how he discovers his discovery every step of the way, and Newton's work, especially on the inverse square law, is largely an extraction, I would say, at this point in my research, theft, of Kepler's discovery, as well as Leibniz's work on the calculus, Leibniz being a follower of Kepler.
Um, and they wanted to, I think the Invisible College wanted to take these real discoveries, extract the soul of the discovery, keep the shell, which is the formula, that could be then attributed to some genius who has fruits falling on his head.
And then they could create a story, a myth, around this great wonderful genius who's also the head of the mint for the Bank of England.
Newton right a sociopath who's like overseeing the murder of every single counterfeiter He's giving everybody the death penalty when he's over as he's the the the master of the mint of the Bank of England as soon as The Venetian Dutch takeover of England happens in 1688 and they set up the the whole, you know private Central Bank of England He's the first one who gets that job and and so
They can control science and I think that Tesla is largely his profile and Newton's profile are very similar in their their personality qualities and in terms of who's managing them and for what purpose so I do think Tesla's discoveries are or the technologies associated with Tesla are real and I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater but I'm increasingly persuaded that they were mostly discoveries made by real scientists using a very different way of thinking
Then what we've been told by Tesla, who obscures the art of reasoning, and I think there's a whole team affiliated with Thomas Huxley's X Club, the 20th Century Invisible College, the British Society for Psychical Research, which is also very much in control of this whole, you know, management of science, who are Oliver Lodge plays a big role in this.
Oliver Lodge is a scientist, a president of the Society for Psychical Research, who I think is providing a lot of the radio technologies to Tesla that he's then marketing for a mass audience.
And then there's a whole team of creative writers promoting the God image of Tesla for future posterity.
I'm not when I my plan with this podcast, which is failed so far was it was going to be an introduction to Matthew Eric and it was going to be like.
Where did you come from?
What makes you tick?
Because, as we've already established, you are utterly fascinating and just a complete motor mouth on any subject.
You know incredible stuff about everything.
But I'd like to know where you're coming from philosophically.
But first of all, just tell me a bit about your background.
I don't know much about you.
Sure, yeah, okay.
Well, I'm based in Canada.
I'm Canadian.
Bad luck, mate.
Yeah, I know.
Who knew, eh?
Everybody loves Canadians.
It's like, nah.
Just wait.
I, uh, yeah, I mean, there's nothing really all that interesting, I guess, about my personal background.
I was studying in fine arts, illustration, film in university.
That was when I had my sort of wake-up call around 2004.
On the whole 9-11 thing, I was, you know, doing some research for a school project of all things, on making a little mini-documentary with a few of my friends, and it forced me to look... I didn't have any political views, I wasn't much of a book reader, I didn't really read for pleasure.
So, again, I...
But all I'd say, I think I needed that sort of shock to my system because I began to start, that was my first time I started looking with a critical eye and I encountered information that challenged the big narrative of what 9-11 was all about.
How did your teachers respond when you started coming up with this stuff on this school project?
I didn't really like it.
Part of my proposition was I drafted a script and at the time it was a film fine arts program in Concordia University, which is completely dominated by post-modernist ideologues who Are not themselves bad people, but they're in their positions of influence over the departments because they are postmodernist ideologues.
That they're religiously almost motivated by a desire to, you know, break their students free of any influence of dead white European males and, you know, like intelligibility of ideas in art.
They want to just cut that off.
So I...
I found myself already uncomfortable in that environment already, but whenever you would try to present, you'd have to pitch your idea, what you would want to create in a film, usually because they wanted abstract.
If they could sense that there was an intention that was intelligible in my narrative, they would...
Uh, chastise me and have me go and rewrite it so that it would be less intelligible because the ideal that one of my teachers gave a lecture on and said that it's only when you get your audience to squirm confusedly and uncomfortably in their chairs that you have achieved successful art.
And he wouldn't accept anything but that.
So, I ended up quitting not long thereafter when I couldn't really get much traction on sharing my research and wanting to incorporate that artistically in a documentary of some sort.
And I went just into a personal, obsessive, let's-figure-things-out mode for a couple of years.
Went into some dark, depressing places for a while.
It took me a while to get out of that.
And I at least had the instincts.
Oh, I don't want to cut you off here.
I saw you're about to say something.
No, I was only going to ask, when you went into a dark place, was that because of some of the research you'd made?
Some of the things you found out?
You know, you're going all of a sudden from zero to a thousand and all of a sudden you're quickly realizing all of your loved ones and your whole society.
Have been brainwashed to go to walk into a slaughterhouse, and you're like, oh, God.
It is quite shocking, isn't it?
When you just go, it's I mean, it's traumatizing.
I don't know anyone who's been through that experience who can.
Very few.
No, I think everybody has a degree.
You can't avoid it.
It's kind of like, yeah.
But even Plato, like I said, when you read The Republic from these fresh eyes, Plato is even taking you through the trauma to the system of somebody who leaves the cave and begins to readjust their eyes to a higher light than that which they were accustomed to from the fire, you know, cast By the shadow puppet makers inside the cave, on the cave walls.
It's really hard, and he makes a point in the Republic that the first impulse is to run back into the cave.
Because it's painful to adjust the eyes to real light, you know?
And it's a whole new... It's not like you've discovered... It's not like now you're enlightened.
It's just like now you're in a place where you can at least start through that pain.
you're in a place now where you can process a lot of that and start a real journey of discovery.
So the journey can now kind of begin in a more robust way than it could have if you still believed in the popular narrative shadows.
So that was for me.
You know, I was reading for, I didn't have any training on research, which maybe helped me in some ways because I didn't have any assumptions of what is, what should I or shouldn't I do.
So I at least had a sense based on quotes that I was coming across from, you know, you watch documentaries like the Money Masters on the Federal Reserve Takeover of America.
And there's quotes that it's like, are these quotes real?
From like Thomas Jefferson and all of these like big players, you know, including like David Rockefeller.
If they're real, that means it's I can understand, I can research it if it's real.
You know, you're not just making something up.
So I began to start looking for as much source material as I could from good people and bad people alike who seem to be making history and that was a good instinct.
And it helped me quite a bit over a couple of years but it made me also... I didn't have any sense of solutions whatsoever.
So at a certain point I committed to shutting up because every time I was communicating this through my writing You know, I was on MySpace, I had a certain following, trying to just communicate and process my emotions and my thoughts.
The writing helped.
But whenever I was able to vocally or written-wise persuade people that what I was saying was true, it was breaking them emotionally, it wasn't helping people become better people, or it was making them think I'm crazy when I was unsuccessful, which is most of the time.
So I was like, okay, both scenarios suck, so I'm gonna shut up about talking about big ideas, and unless some circumstance could emerge whereby I...
I could be convinced that there's some hope that I could offer people.
Right.
And so it was only about in summer of 2006 that I found myself on a smoke break at work, chatting with a political table in Montreal of a small outlet of representatives of the Schiller Institute, who represented an old, now deceased economist named Lyndon LaRouche.
And I had a conversation with one of these organizers.
And I was impressed enough that I at least wanted to know more.
Like, you know, um... And they were talking about things that I... I had researched, you know, stop the depopulation agenda, you know, these things.
So I was like, okay, let's... And I was... Increasingly over a few months, I decided to really dig into first-hand research of who is this LaRouche... Lyndon LaRouche person.
Um, I'm getting a lot of slander, uh...
I'm getting a lot of bad, you know, I mentioned this to people, but hey, there's this old guy, LaRouche, who's saying some interesting stuff about the oligarchy.
He's been at this since the 60s, advising governments in the 70s and the 80s.
And if people either, they either didn't know about him at all, or if they did know about him, they thought he was some fascist...
Anti-semitic evildoer or something.
So I was like, wait, this is weird.
So I began to get a better sense of what he had been doing.
Running for the presidency like eight times.
And as I mentioned, advising governments in South America.
And Indira Gandhi brought him in at a certain point to provide a policy outlook.
So all that to say, I started getting a sense that there is a fight that I didn't know about.
With a policy perspective that could feasibly work.
I didn't believe it could work, but I knew intellectually it could work.
To do something about the oncoming collapse of the banking system and other things that were built into globalization.
So I started volunteering with LaRouche and I did that for about a decade between 2006 and 2017.
During that time I created the Canadian Patriot Magazine in 2012 based on a lot of the research I was doing on how does the British Empire still exist in Canada?
How did these roundtable Fabian networks going back over a century shape all of our history?
I couldn't find anyone to publish my research, so whether within the LaRouche organization or within other alternative media outlets, I couldn't find anybody who wanted to, like, publish this.
So I was like, well, I'll just make my own magazine.
So I did that, and I had some collaborators that I was working with who were sharing their discoveries on history.
And that, that started gaining some traction and, uh, gaining a sort of excitement in, uh, various Canadians around Canada and people outside of Canada too.
And, um, the, the, the, the, for my, for the method of thinking, I, what I appreciate the most, the reason why I have this book on Kepler is because the old man LaRouche was a very, very, very brilliant mind, uh, He died in 2019 and he had a curriculum for the younger members at that time that he said if you really want to be politically effective you have to
Go through what he called he set up what's called the narrow path.
It was sort of a classical humanist curriculum built up around going to the original sources.
And I quit school.
I quit my job.
I was doing this like full time as a volunteer for 10 years.
And so for several days every week and many nights, we would just go through the, I spent three years just working through with other younger people at the time in 2007, 2008, the writings of Johannes Kepler, his new astronomy, his work on the snowflake, his work on the harmonies, the works on Leibniz on the calculus, the works, but various dialogues by Plato on Huygens on light.
And so we would just go through the original writings, try, we'd have the whiteboard, we have experiment, experimental devices that we would build a little, little Pythagorean monochords to do tests.
And it was fun.
And the idea was to both learn and then try to teach others.
And, and so it's the learning teaching dynamic that was very useful for me.
Um, and I think that the applicant, the reason why I was able to make those discoveries on Canadian, the untold history of Canada that, that turned into four books, um, based on sort of a complete rewriting of all of Canada's history had a lot to do with the work that I had done on the science material, uh, because I was able to do the work that I had done on the science material.
Because it really gives you a sense that there is a history to science.
History is built by principles shaped by the laws of the universe and human beings interfacing with those laws through the additional factor of free will.
Because we could choose to not be a planet.
You know, like planets can't choose to be other than what they are, right?
Venus is not going to wake up saying, I identify as Saturn today.
No, it's like Venus is Venus and it will obey those laws.
Human beings We can self-delude.
So we're a creature whose species character is primarily ideas about ourselves, ideas about the creator, ideas about the big things.
And we can be wrong about them or we can be correct about them.
And when we're correct about them...
As LaRouche, I think one of the best contributions he had to human knowledge in the 50s was his discoveries in physical economy.
He's a physical economist.
And that's that when we're correct about our ideas of the universe, the universe responds by giving us a power to have more people living at a higher standard of life, overcoming the limits to growth, creating new resources with new technologies when we make a true discovery.
So we can have 8 billion of our species, whereas other apes can't have more than a couple of million.
And they self-regulate according to, you know, the limits of the environment that they live within and some of their genetic characteristics.
Rabbits will eat their own babies when there's not enough food, you know, and their populations will regulate according to their environment.
Whereas humans, we can think about the future.
We can put an allocate food for a future famine that we might foresee or we can even mitigate a famine by greening a desert or desalinating water or other things by creating abundance.
But so that that freedom to make a discovery, which can't be forced.
So oligarchies can only work by forcing everybody into certain predetermined actions, whereas humans are voluntary, voluntaristic.
We need freedom to be to be able to get excited and make a discovery of something that's outside of the known.
Right.
So that requires thus A factor that's not in conventional utilitarian science, but it is scientifically necessary for humanity to exist.
And so LaRouche, he compiled many books documenting how the science of economy, which is also an art itself, can be used to guide decision-making of individual citizens as well as policymakers together at the same time.
And I found that all very, very useful.
So that's my story.
Yeah, that's my story.
Yeah.
So I mean, I've heard of Lyndon LaRouche, but you're right that he does tend to come with health warnings.
And I mean, I try to remember what I've been told in the past about like it's a cult or something or but I don't but I have no I have no handle on him at all.
I mean, this is the first this is the longest I've spent talking about him.
Was he was he was he rich?
Not really, no.
He was born from a working class family.
He didn't get that rich.
I went to his house once in 2009.
I went to meet him.
So I put out a request and I booked myself and two of my Canadian colleagues.
We were able to get an agreement to have a meeting.
We had a coffee with him and lunch and chatted with him for a while.
It was a nice house.
Not that big.
Two-story, you know, little townhouse.
What was he like?
Very nice guy.
He told a lot of jokes.
Went through his anecdotal experiences living in Quebec, which is where I come from.
Very, very, very warm fellow.
I found that he was, you know, he comes across, I think part of his demeanor, his public demeanor that has been jaggedy has been that he's just been
For 50 years he was politically very active and calling out, you know, like the whole Rockefeller takeover of America way before it was popular back in the early... People could read his writings from the early 70s and he's just... You're declaring war on satanic forces, you're calling them out, you're exposing them, you're running for office, you're creating political movements in America as well as in other parts of the world, in Europe and in Australia.
Your members are running for office.
You're obviously now open to intelligence infiltration, subversion, psyops.
So there's constant warfare to destroy from within, from without.
And I think you just kind of build up a very jaggedy sort of street fighting sort of survival attitude when you're always in the corner fighting Satanists.
That I think it kind of came out sometimes that he would speak in a way that was like disruptive, like not good for the ear to listen to sometimes, but he was just like, because he went to jail, keep that in mind too, right?
Oh yeah, he was in the whole FBI did like a 300 person raid.
Shutting down his science magazines, he had a whole science fusion energy foundation, bringing together the cutting-edge fusion scientists who had been iced out of mainstream science, but who were the ones from the old school who had made the discoveries that were later stolen and put into this secret science program of the military.
But these old school scientists in the 70s and the 80s were still alive, who had made the discoveries on You know, on cold fusion, all sorts of different approaches to plasma physics.
And they all started working with LaRouche through the Fusion Energy Foundation.
He had the second most subscribed to science magazine in America in the 80s.
That was the Fusion magazine.
That was shut down by the FBI raid.
Like 20 of his leading members from his organization were given Crazy sentences in federal prison, like 100 year sentences for like conspiracy against the government, like weird things.
Really?
Oh, it was nuts.
LaRouche was given like 15 years hard labor.
He was already a senior citizen at that time.
And the person who was overseeing that actually in Virginia was Robert Mueller.
That was actually how Robert Mueller from Russiagate got his his sort of stripes on his shoulder, was first carrying out and overseeing the shutdown LaRouche operation back in the day.
So, yeah, you know, there's a lot of controversy, and people will tend to latch on like, oh, yeah, the guy who went to prison and that guy, right?
And it's like, yeah, but why did he go to prison?
What was America such that it would put a political candidate for the presidency in prison?
What was America becoming?
What took over America?
If you think that being in prison makes you evil, you have to rethink, well, what was Martin Luther King all about?
What was Thomas More doing?
They were all in prison, you know?
Like, most people who fought the oligarchy at some point, if they were serious, found themselves in prison or dead.
Or at least their character assassinated.
So, yeah.
Okay.
So, you mentioned fighting Satanists.
I mean, the Rockefeller.
All the bloodline families, the black nobility, they're all in on it.
They serve one master.
What I find hard reading your stuff and listening to you talking about it is to fathom whether or not you think that this stuff is real or whether it's just an allegory.
Do you believe in God?
Satanists are real.
I mean, I believe Satanists are real.
No, no, no, that's not what I'm asking.
Do you believe the Bible?
Do you believe the Bible narrative?
Do you believe in God?
Do you believe God created the world?
Do you believe that Satan, in one form or another, is behind all the bad shit?
Oh, okay, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, um, no, I certainly believe in God.
I, that is, I'll, yeah, the idea of my, God made me in his image, made all of us in, in, in the image of the Creator, uh, and that God created, God is good, is in perfect goodness and perfect reasonability and love, all of those things at the same time.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's like my core right there.
I'm not going to say I necessarily believe every single... I don't believe that the Bible is not contaminated by human decision-making and human agency.
Sure.
What are your particular objections, if you had to sort of single out?
Well, I guess my particular objections?
Well, I mean, you know, if it's the absolute word of God... The idea that God's character in the Old Testament in different books, I find some of the books are better than other books.
I'm not a fan of all of the books equally, like, you know, where God commands Moses to slaughter the Medeans, men, women, and children, because they live in a land that was promised to Moses and his people.
I don't...
I don't find that becoming of the character of the God that I have chosen to give my faith to, as a truly loving God of redemption.
There's things like that, you know.
I mean, I don't want to go into details.
No, no, no.
That's a different podcast, but a different conversation.
I mean, I think...
What's-her-name Heizer has done a pretty good job of explaining the Old Testament in a way that makes sense to Christians who are uncomfortable with the Old Testament, thinking that maybe they've fallen for the line that the Old Testament God is somehow different.
I don't see it, because the Gnostics, here's the thing, the Gnostic pseudo-christian, what I think are occultists, who are running their own mystery religion within the early Christian church, are trying to maintain this proposition that there are two gods, an evil god and a good god.
And they're like, we love the god of the New Testament, but the god of the Old Testament, Yalchabaoth, you know, they've got a whole like cosmology built up around the evil god.
A greater God who wants, who's arrogant, who wants the world to, he's, you know, who's arrogant of himself, ignorant, and made the world evil in his own image that we have to purge ourselves away from through these rites of initiation that only the Gnostics can know.
Yes.
That thesis I disagree with completely.
Well, totally.
I mean, every Christian would.
I mean, it seems to me what little I know about the Gnostics that Their philosophy has been used to justify the most abominable behavior like like this.
This is a world of evil.
Therefore to escape this world of evil.
We can commit we have a sort of moral duty if you like to commit whatever crimes we feel like because we are actually in doing so we are Transcending this it's all about this like idealization of numbness that you you have to learn how to go to the the extremes of perversity to numb yourself so that you don't feel whether it's extreme joy of and they associate joy of course with erotic sex
So a lot of sacred orgies and drugs, right, to maximize the pleasure feeling and maximize the pain feeling, not just on the physical level of self mutilation, but also the spiritual pain that one must go through if you're going to do something atrocious to children or something, you know, or to other whatever.
So you have to go through these experiences.
Um, there's a whole bunch of rituals, again, psychedelic drugs help a lot, like ancient ergot, you know, that was used as a hallucinogenic, that LSD is later on derived out of, but it was already there in the ancient times too, or, you know, different opiates.
They help the de-patterning process of the numbing, but they ultimately want to get people to integrate with the evil inside them.
So grow the evil, cultivate the inner evil as much as you can, grow it, grow it, grow the perversity, and then satisfy it, grow it, withhold, withhold, withhold, withhold, satisfy it.
You know, so there's a lot of these things to the point that you're just numb.
And it's this idealized idea that you're going back to the purity of of the essence of nothingness that Yal Jabaoth separated himself out of because, you know, in their cosmology, they've got a whole twisted cosmology, it's very complex, but it's not, but it's stupid.
It's ultimately, from what I gather, in its simplest form, it's just that ultimate nothing is everything.
So everything comes from nothing.
Out of the nothing, the great nothing, the first cause, there was a sex principle of these sub-archon sort of essences that started having sex with themselves to generate other sub-archon essences.
And after several degrees of, I don't know what you want to call it, reproduction, they kept on getting contaminated by losing the essence of the purity of the nothing.
The Great Nothing.
And somewhere along the way, one of them, Pista Sophia, as some say, and this already existed in the Sibelian and Mithraic pre-Christian cosmologies too, was so corrupt that she had sex with herself, which she shouldn't do, but she did and created this mutant monster called Yaljabalth, as the Gnostics called him, and this Yaljabalth then was
Believed he was in his own ignorance and corruption, because he's the progeny of Sophia, the corrupt idiot, made this whole universe in his image.
And that's the God of the Old Testament, that they're like, ah, big surprise.
If you go through your mystery of your rites of initiation, you get to learn that that was actually the God of the Old Testament.
And now you're free to start getting back in touch with the purity of the thing, the nothingness, which then requires all these other very messed up Acts to process yourself, you know, out of your humanity, break free of the shackles of conventional morality that Yal-Jabal put onto you through the guilt of the Ten Commandments.
This would be a joke, were it not for the fact that most of our elites, Believe this this stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's that's the really you know, you talk about how you went through a period of blackness and despair.
I mean if it weren't for God if it weren't for my faith in God, I think you know, I would be living in the state of despair because when you realize the caliber of the people who Control.
Well, you know, the devil is described as the god of this world in the epistles.
And it really is that bad.
The people who run the world really are that evil and that deranged.
Yeah, but this kind of gets at the question that we were sort of alluding to.
In my research, I'm seeing this, like, All babies, I believe, are truly good at birth.
I don't believe in this whole, like, the modern Darwinists and geneticists have put forth, and the psychiatrists have put forth a view that a certain proportion of the population will always be sociopathic.
Something like a 1 out of 20 or something.
Statistics say 1 out of 20 people are born with no conscience.
Genetics prove it.
I don't believe that at all.
I believe that, in my research, everybody is made in the image of God, with a sort of nature that we yearn for, our soul yearns to be itself, which requires freedom, it requires an obedience to conscience, it requires a right to be in awe of the universe and to participate in discovering that universe.
So all of these things should be already encouraged when we're like four years old or younger.
We need love from a family.
Encouragement to not be told answers, but to make our own mistakes and make our own discoveries in life as well as in school So that should be I think what a what a well-rounded kid experiences early on before they they're they mature and This oligarchy has been around for a long time as far, you know, it's always it's probably there's always been some or not most of human Experiences has involved some form of some oligarchy of inner families trying to maintain control over the shadows in the cave of the many
Which it takes a lot of work it takes because it's so unnatural, you know to make people whose instincts are good to become the opposite It's so it's so energy intensive to do this cosmic like what I just went through is a simplified form of the the creation story of the Gnostics But it's even more complicated than that.
You know, I just simplified it um whereas Um, I think that they groom.
They've got a science of perversity.
So they've built in to their own, a sort of separate culture for the elites.
So when you're born into one of these upper crust families, I do not envy these kids like Bulwer-Lytton.
Born into a castle as a hereditary member of one of these upper crust bloodlines, I don't envy them at all.
Their chances of accessing, awakening their humanity is very low.
It's not impossible, but it's very low.
And they're given... They're broken early.
They're put through an experience at Etton or, you know, within... God forbid that they're brought into the Cambridge and raised to become a Cambridge apostle or something.
You know, they're broken early of their humanity.
They're given... Through sexual abuse, you mean?
Sexual abuse galore, yeah.
I mean... It just seems to be the case, doesn't it?
Yeah, as part of the whole how to create an abuser is, you know, usually they're abused themselves and there's all of this stuff that you have to do to bring out the corruption and normalize the corruption in somebody.
I see it as an offense to the universe itself, like the oligarchy is not that they have real... I don't think that they're getting real powers from the demonic forces or Satan that's allowing them to have this power over us, but I think that they have a whole structure of cosmology practice that they're proficient in, very proficient in,
Because they've been doing this for a long time, that gives them a sort of power over us through our own ignorance.
Yes.
Right.
It's interesting you say that, and you were partly responsible for this recent insight I had, if it is an insight.
But first of all, let me ask you, where are you on supernatural powers?
Do you believe that in miracles, do you believe that God can work miracles?
Um, look, okay, so here's the thing.
I believe that life itself is a miracle.
It's impossible.
Before life appeared, there was a statistical impossibility that life could happen.
But life happened.
So the very fact that we have life itself, I see it as a miracle.
That's a gay answer, Matt.
That is the kind of gay answer I was expecting actually.
I'm trying to pin you down here.
This is where I sense, this is the main difference between you and me.
Okay.
Well, apart from the fact that you know loads more than me.
I think that you are determinedly rational, perhaps excessively determined to remain rational.
I know, for example, that demons exist.
I mean, I've got a friend who can actually I have absolutely no doubt in the powers of the supernatural.
Whereas it sounds like you're kind of hedging your bets.
I've just not seen any evidence.
I mean, I've had people who told me that they that they see auras and stuff and I can't give my conviction to their assessment unless they can actually demonstrate that it's true.
And other than their testimony, I can't get more than that.
So, you know, I'm not saying I'm totally closed.
I just need a little bit more than a pure act of faith, per se, without something that I can... my mind can... Did you read... just sidetracking... Did you read the essay, I can't remember who it was, by somebody on Substack?
Taking apart empiricism.
Demonstrating that it was the enemy's tool.
That it was invented by the very people we've been decrying.
I'm an anti-empiricist as well.
I wrote a book called Science Unshackled to declare war on empiricism.
I think it's the enemy's tool as well.
I wasn't trying to make a cheap shot there.
I was just curious.
No, I didn't know about that essay, no.
It seems to me that okay.
Let me first of all tell you about the insight that I that you gave me that I I'm coming around to increasingly.
Did you ever there was a brilliant there was a brilliant podcast.
I listened to the other day about This guy, he reads other people's stories and this particular story that had been sent to him was about, had been sent to him by this sort of up-and-coming computer software designer or something, someone techie in LA and he had Been wanting to get on, you know, was keen.
And he'd been invited to this party.
It's been massively shared on the internet.
Invited to this party.
It was like getting the golden ticket.
You know, when you go to this party, untold riches will follow, success will follow.
So he goes to the party.
I'll give you the short version.
And there are a series of rooms that he has to go into, each with a different mood.
You know, one sort of gluttony.
He realizes that he's going through the seven deadly sins.
And in the last room, having had his sort of defenses softened, he and his fellow initiates are invited to renounce God and the next stage is that they will perform unspeakable acts on stage which will be filmed and they're initiated and they've got the golden ticket, they have tremendous success.
What this story made me think of is that most, not necessarily all, but most of the powers, the servants of Satan, that they ascribe to their kind of child sacrifices and their dark gods, are actually man-made things.
I mean, the pact with the devil that so many rock stars make, including Dylan, apparently.
Yes, they do make that pact.
But what it really is, is a pact whose fruits are enabled or born forth by They're human associates.
Because, you know, to use the record industry example.
Okay, so everyone on board, in order to get a career in the record industry, you've got to sell your soul to the devil, you've got to do all the kind of the one-eye, all the occult symbols and stuff.
But actually, it's not the demons that are making this shit happen for you.
It's your fellow people in the industry.
You've also made this pact.
This sort of brotherhood, the corrupted brotherhood.
They don't actually believe in the satanic thing.
They just believe in themselves, is what you're saying.
No, I think they do believe in themselves.
It's a satanic thing.
OK.
But what I'm suggesting is that they are deluded, that the devil has very few powers, actually.
Only God has real magical powers.
Okay, yeah.
That it's actually humans, that it's all illusion.
I'm kind of agreeing with what you're saying.
A lot of this stuff is illusion.
It's belief and it's propaganda.
It's drugs.
It's artificial.
It's using artificial things to attempt to recreate a sort of simulacrum of what God can achieve for real.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
It sounds like you... I thought you were going to disagree with me on something.
Okay.
No, no.
The point I disagree with you, I think you're wrong about... you're too dismissive of the supernatural.
Oh, okay, okay.
Well, that's fine.
I mean, look...
The way I see it, like, there's a lot of- I've got a lot of friends amongst the Christian community, amongst Jews, amongst Muslims, amongst Buddhists.
The reason why I'm friends with them and we get along and we care about each other is because we all have an idea of a creator and we have an idea of a soul that'll be made healthier, sicker based on our decisions and our sins that we do or don't do and the good that we do.
So and we all have a love towards this idea that we are instruments for the will of God, of the creator to do good.
So to the degree that that's there, we can get along, we can find all sorts of points of collaboration.
It's the people who call themselves Jew or Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever, but they don't believe in any of that stuff.
Because, you know, it's all about, like, how I feel, my personal thing, you know?
I want to achieve my personal enlightenment.
I want to achieve my spot in the rapture or something, you know?
Those are the people... I don't have responsibilities for anything beyond me and my local immediate family.
To the degree that that's the general ethos of whether it's a Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, whatever, I find it very difficult to find collaboration.
So I see that you're, you know, you and I, I think we have got a lot of points on principles that really matter in harmony, and that's what I can work with.
Um, as far as, like, the question of the supernatural, I'm gonna find out when I die, you know?
Like, I believe... I know that I have a soul.
I know that I am a soul that is immortal, and I'm... I have no concerns.
I'm not that attached to my flesh at the end of the day.
Like, you know, like, people... I've studied history enough to know good people who tend to resist the oligarchy, um, run a lot of risks.
So if that happens... We are totally... we're buggered, you and me.
I mean, you know...
That's in our cards, that's in our cards, whatever.
But I mean, the point is, you know, I'm happy and I'm good with my conscience.
So, and I think you are too.
So at the end of the day, what I would say is, yeah, the oligarchy does expect, in order to be allowed to become a Beyonce or to be brought into fame, a lot of these people are told, yeah, you have to drink the blood.
You gotta do the thing.
And whether they personally believe it or not, they do it.
They lose themselves, their own agency, as they make those decisions.
But I would also say one thing that's interesting, for people who want to research some of the battles against the Gnostics, on top of reading the Gnostic scriptures, which is actually very useful to read some of these things, like the Nag Hammadi scriptures, which were promoted by Carl Jung, Actually, he's the one who bankrolled the Carl Jung Foundation in the 50s, the translation of the Nag Hammadi Gnostic scriptures for the mass consumption, primarily for the baby boomers who would be given a lot of drugs and be given a new religion in the 60s.
But to look through the original battle against these things, the two books that I found so far the most useful are Saint Irenaeus of Lyons and his work against heresies.
And one of the key organizers of the Council of Nicaea, there was a lot, a huge fight, the Council of Nicaea, I'm still trying to piece it together, it's so complex, but Hippolytus of Rome, an early church father, these are two Platonic figures who inspired Augustine, and what you'll find is that when, especially Irenaeus of Leon,
...is dealing with the different mystery sects that are trying to act like Christian cults, and he's going through, he's debunking magic tricks.
He's kind of like doing what Harry Houdini was doing in the in the early 20s, 1920s, showing you how the game, how the tricks are done, how the mediums work, who's getting the intelligence from you, who's who is the mailman getting paid for when he gave you your letter and got that information that you later that was used the next day when you went to your seance.
Um, that was, that then persuaded you that this demon force or this whatever spirit being from beyond was passing through the channeler that you were paying money for at your, at your occult reading.
Um, and then he's going through like how are light, how, how are, are tricks played with light and water that could convince you that the, the, the, the ceiling of a darkened room is glowing.
And he's doing this in like the third century.
Um, that's what Houdini is also doing, you know, and a lot, Edgar Allen Poe is also doing this as well in his, uh, Maisel's Chess Player and a lot of his short stories to educate, you know, Americans who are falling prey to the spiritualist, the cult revival of the Second Great Awakening in the 1830s, 40s.
He's seeing that these are people who are being steered into superstition that will result in them not being able to defend the Republic from the enemies of the Republic.
And so, a lot of these figures are trying to teach people that what they thought was demonology and things like that are actually...
The misuse of technical magic tricks and illusions cast to keep them in that state.
And I'm not saying that you're- you're like- because I'm open to the possibility that there are legit forms of it.
But I'm just saying a lot of it that I've seen so far all seems to be explainable by trickery and not- Okay.
Demonology.
Just a quick question.
You accept that God created the world.
He made us in his image, which is pretty incredible in itself.
You think about how extraordinary we are.
Mind-blowing.
And then you go into the rainforest and you see toucans or hornbills in Africa.
Or you go and see You see macaws, you see jaguars, and you see the lilies, which you consider, and you see irises, and you see orchids and stuff.
And then you look at these things at a sort of microscopic level, or consider the life cycle of the butterfly.
Perhaps not the monarch, I think I try not to think about the monarch too much.
Another personality wakes up whenever I do that.
So the egg which gets laid on the leaf, which is the kind of leaf that the emergent caterpillar likes to eat, and then the very hungry caterpillar will chew his way through this leaf and then he'll become this pupa.
And this pupa, which will hang from the underside of the leaf, and it knows somehow that that's the way to avoid predators, and it's shaped to look like something that is not going to be eaten.
And the butterfly is liquid.
And then, a few days later, the butterfly emerges, a completely different creature, and it's beautiful, and it's amazing, and it loves the sun, and it comes out in the sun, something to do with the dust on its wings.
In that life cycle, I think God was demonstrating, look at the crazy shit I can do.
How can you look at this stuff and not know that I am real?
And here you are, Matt, I totally respect your, you know, you love your facts, you love your, you know, you love going to source material.
How can you sit there and say that the guy who did all this, and he's a guy basically, cannot do miracles whenever he wants?
Actually, you know, he can do this stuff!
Of course he can!
I never said he couldn't do miracles, I'm just saying that in my assessment, it is a miracle, and I believe he's always active through us.
Particularly, we can make a miracle by discovering this and changing our destiny by introducing a new discovery.
But I don't believe in Darwin.
We can't really change the ultimate destiny, can we?
No, not the ultimate.
I'm talking about the destiny from the standpoint, right now we're going to go into a collapse and a big kill of 90% of the world population according to the will of the oligarchy.
That's the kind of, like, subsidiary destiny.
A contingent destiny, right?
Not final destiny.
Contingent.
Do you reckon there's any way out of that one?
I mean, you said that LaRouche had the answers, but... Well, I think he had a good insight into pathways that would work.
Now, that requires wisdom from the standpoint of people acting according to pathways towards a future that will work, and I don't see any evidence that the sufficient amount of wisdom is available in Western populations, as dumbed down as we've become, to necessarily do that.
I want to be wrong, and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.
Um, but at the same time, it requires like a power of judgment and discernment that is highly reduced over the last 50, 60 years especially.
So, I don't know.
But yeah, I do think that the oligarchy is not... They want to project an image of themselves onto the slave class that they want to lord over.
That they are these immutable immortals that are themselves kind of like super, super humans.
That if we're just mortals of the slave class, what's the point of trying to They don't resist or fight for freedom against the immortal gods, you know, or at the very least they seem to have communication with aliens and supernatural beings that we don't have access to, so there's no point even trying.
And I don't think, I think a lot of this is PSYOP.
I think that they've put a projection of themselves, kind of like the ancient gods of Egypt, that, you know, we're actually just like ruling oligarchs warlords who projected that, look, we're the gods, look at our funny animal head.
And they were actually, they bled.
So I've seen evidence that humans have been able to thwart at different times throughout history their agenda to bring back feudalism on several big occasions that I've made the focus of a lot of my research in my books.
Okay, name those big occasions.
Okay, well, the League of Nations after World War I was supposed to be the world government according to the League of Nations Covenant.
That would replace sovereign nation-states and bring in a religion of eugenics for the elite to manage the depopulated herd.
That was thwarted largely to do with the patriotic movements of people, nationalists, like Warren Harding, the President of America, who was later on assassinated by poisoning.
And many, many other senators and congressmen who understood the nature of the oligarchical operations very well, better than today.
um you had people inireland and the free irish movement uh as well as people in in china and in russia and in germany who were among a minority but they were able to affect a strategy that derailed the league of nations world government agenda um i could see also a situation earlier that's that's one example i don't know you want another example or is that is that sufficient well no that's enough because actually i'm thinking i'm thinking look
i could talk to you for hours at a time because you're endlessly fascinating and i'm always intrigued by where you're going to go next and i could pause you at any time and ask you to elaborate and that'd be brilliant but But I'm kind of not a believer.
I think, what's that woman called?
Jo Rogan.
She goes on too long and, you know, I think an hour and a half is about the right length for a podcast.
And I'm just thinking there is no way you are not going to come back.
And also, I've got my wife's cousin arrived downstairs, and I haven't greeted him yet.
And you've got to go ready for Thailand.
So I'm thinking, let's say, to be continued, Matt, because I love talking to you.
All right, man.
Yeah, this is cool.
You crazy guy.
Yeah, this is fun.
So yeah, just say the word.
I'll happily keep a chat going with you anytime you want.
No, let's do that.
There's so much I want to ask you about.
By the way, I do think aliens are demons.
Okay.
Yeah.
We can talk about that one next time.
Okay.
Aliens are demons.
Okay.
Now, tell us where we can find your stuff.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Right.
Plugs.
Plugs are good.
Okay.
Substack has been really useful.
I've really enjoyed it.
Mattheweric.substack.com.
A lot of free stuff.
Some paid stuff is available there.
My books on the clash of the two Americas and the untold history of Canada and the new book, Science Unshackled, which I I have!
Ah, here we are.
Okay, new book just came out, Science Unshackled, Restoring Causality in a World of Chaos.
That's now available on CanadianPatriot.org.
Refutations of Darwinism, the anti-Darwinian scientists who were providing a much more reasonable, I would say beautiful, idea of what intelligent design was in the 19th century.
There's a chapter in there on that.
And Rising Tide Foundation is a non-profit I started with my wife a few years ago, and we do weekly seminars, a lot of updates there.
That's risingtidefoundation.net.
And as of today, we're just releasing a new documentary that my wife spearheaded that people can watch as of tomorrow, actually, called Escaping Calypso's Island.
Out of the Storm, debunking the depopulation myths that have been put onto us by the Malthusians over a long period of time.
So that episode 3 of that series, it's 50 minutes, it's just been, it'll be released by the end of tonight, so people could probably watch that by the time this goes live.
That's great.
And it only remains for me to thank all you lovely viewers and listeners.
I hope you enjoy my stuff.
Of course you do.
I mean, how could you not?
For goodness sake.
I mean, yeah.
So do, please, if you feel like supporting me, sign up to my Substack or my Locals or my Patreon or Subscribestar.
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Thank you very much.
Thank you, Matt.
And have a lovely holiday in Thailand.
How long are you going for?
Three weeks.
Yeah, it's a conference and we're going to throw in some pleasure as well, so it'll be... Oh, you've got a... Oh, that's... How did you land up a conference gig?
That's good.
Yeah, those are great, eh?
Yeah.
That worked out nicely.
People should invite me to conferences.
Alright, anybody listening?
James is open for conferences.
I'm actually going to one in Moldova soon.
Nice.
That's cool.
Yeah.
I've never been.
No, I have neither.
And it counts as a country, so you can add it to your list of countries you've been to.
