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Laura Marion, welcome to the Dellingpod.
Today we're going to talk about something which I think lots and lots of viewers and listeners have often wondered about, which is the families that really run the world.
And I understand that You've made this your speciality.
Presumably, these families are different from the Satanic bloodlines identified by Springmeyer.
These are different families.
These are sort of the royal houses of Europe.
Yes, yes.
I mean, the Springmeyer talked about Colleen's farm member, lower level.
I have in one of my presentations, all these families, there's a pyramid.
They run, I mean, I don't know who, everybody has different roles, but the ones that I'm mostly exposing are the ones that are ruling the Vatican.
Right.
So, yeah.
At the very top of the pyramid, which I can... Yeah, yeah, the very top.
I mean, you know that there are three places that the world is running from.
It's the Vatican, Washington DC and City of London.
So these ones are behind the Vatican and ruling the Vatican.
Right.
And presumably these families, I mean, when did they acquire their money?
Do they, is it from the Roman era or the Venetian Empire or what?
This family is actually, it's hard to trace.
I mean, I'm working on a presentation right now to trace them back, even into the Akkadian Empire.
But all the empires, Babylonian Empire, way back, because they keep changing their names.
And what we can find right now, it's from the Roman Empire on, and Venetian, and going through Amsterdam, and to City of London, and nowadays.
I mean, I traced like Orsini family is one of them.
He is from, they keep changing their names, but he's very open actually.
I even found interviews with him.
So if people deny that they don't exist, they do exist.
You found what he's given interviews, but only talking about Pepe Orsini.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, there are many, um, Families, I mean many members of the Orsini family and this is the top one, Domenico Orsini, Domenico.
Actually there was a site who somebody is anonymous and I keep searching this site since 2016.
The site kept being deleted and in the Covid era Nobody paid attention, so it was put back and it was deleted again.
So I started researching what the fellow there posted, like what they own, how they link, what secret societies they own, they run.
So it's true.
It's very true.
How did you get... You're Romanian, is that right?
Yeah.
How did you get into all this?
Well, I used to live in Canada for 13 years, and I was, you know, dealing with the banks, and I found out that this is all a scam, you know, how they create money, and also the health system.
So I started having problems, I mean, in my health and dealing with the banks.
I started researching.
And you know, upper and upper, I found Dean Henderson.
He's a good researcher.
He wrote some books about the banking families.
The corporations, and then I went upper.
I learned about a couple of these families in my school, but I never believed that they ended up so far.
I mean, the history is being deleted, like we know parts of history.
And I always found that interesting that, you know, in the geopolitical section they keep blaming countries, which is not true.
Because these families create and organize and then destroy the countries, empires, create them back, so they keep morphing and nothing changes, you know.
Yeah.
I imagine these families want to keep themselves secret.
I mean, do you think there's anything dangerous about talking about them, even just mentioning their names?
You know, they have agents and they have, I mean, John Coleman talked in his book about the Committee of 300, so those families, many of them you can search and you can find, like the Hohenzollern, the Saxe-Coburg-Rota, the Windsor, you can find them.
I even found more, most of them that he presented in his book.
are there, you can find them.
But these papal bloodlines, they're even higher, they came from a long time from Babylon and even all those empires that came along history.
But I, you can find them in the, mostly in the Roman Empire, the ancient Roman Empire.
So once the Roman Empire fell in three, four, four hundred something, the Western, so they moved to Venice.
And some of them, they moved to Rome, and they sided with the papacy.
And, you know, there was that Ghibelline-Guelph... So that's actually Colonna and Orsini fight.
And now they're getting together.
Everything is fine.
I mean, that was their... And even Shakespeare wrote about them.
So he... We learned about Shakespeare in school.
And I knew this story.
And besides him, There are other families who, some of them are very open, like the Farnese, which is Bourbon now, they even have a site, and they are very much involved in the Agenda 2030.
But there are families like Pallavicini, who's coming from the Pahlavi dynasty in the Parthian Empire, who was always fighting with Rome.
and he's hiding.
I mean, they have an imam who keeps coming up, you know, in the religious part, but they have other members.
And there is also Aldo Brandini family, another Persian, and he's married to the Rothschild.
Okay.
So she's hiding.
She's hiding.
So some families are, you can find them extinct, but other families like Doria, she's from Genoa, like there are some bankers that, you know, the Lombardian side in Venice, they joined.
So now they're in a big faction, but every family has its role.
Right.
I see.
And, and, and they meet presumably regularly to plan what, how to run the world.
How to run the world, yes.
For example, the Torlonia family, well, he changed his name, they changed him, but you can find them.
But once people see their pictures, you can go and search by images and you can find them.
And especially in Italian sites, Spanish sites, because they live in Rome, of course.
But, for example, Torlonia, they used to be Conti Seni, which was a lotario, Conti was a Pope who created the Franciscan Order, and they Merged with a banking family from Alsace, and this is how Torlonia came up.
They keep morphing, and you really have to go and trace them.
But they're there.
They're there.
And they run the Vatican, together with Colonna.
Do they...
Oh, you keep reading.
Where do they live?
Yeah, I know.
I'm sorry about that.
Where do these families live?
Most of them, they live in Italy and the Switzerland-Italian border.
They have the castles.
The castles are very much alive and they exist.
Like Corsini family or Gaetani family, they deal with the mafia.
But you know, all these families, they have popes.
They have archbishops, cardinals, all kinds of members in the church along history.
All of them.
What do you mean?
They each make sure they've got a kind of representative in the church?
Yes.
And that's how they acquire that wealth and that power.
Because, for example, Orsini, Domenico Orsini, he gave an interview that was 14 years ago.
He was running for mayor.
I posted that interview, translated into English, because it was in Italian.
And he acknowledged everything, that he's a Jesuit, that he was a member of Assigurazioni Generali, you know, that big real estate and banking, which was actually connected with the InterAlfa.
I don't know if you heard about that bank.
It's a big bank.
It's all banks together, created and merged by this family.
So he acknowledged that.
And he also acknowledged that they had 20-something posts and cardinals along history.
He was very proud of it.
I'm not sure if he is the one who's ruling the Vatican, but these families are all into it.
The ones who have an official site are Bourbon, which is old Farnese, who created the Jesuits with Loyola.
Borgia is still existing and it was a very criminal, criminal family in the past.
They killed, but they still exist.
They run Mexico, they run all Latin America.
They had ex-presidents.
Massimo family is a huge, it comes from the Fabius Maximus, very old patrician family.
Who else?
I'm just trying.
Odescalci, that's a new one that I found.
But most of them are Italian origin.
I mean, Italian... I could... I'm still having doubts that they go even further back in the past.
Right.
And, I mean, presumably we know where their houses are.
Do they live on these enormous estates or what?
How does it work?
Yeah, how else you can find them?
You can find the secret societies, you can find their intermarriages, you can find their palaces.
Some of the palaces are even offered to embassies, to Knights of Malta embassies.
Like, for example, the Kijagbani family, it has Chaldean origins in Babylon, and they offered their palace to some embassy.
I have them all documented, and it's huge, you wouldn't believe the enormous wealth they have.
Just the palaces, and the wines they make, they make like huge, have lands all over.
So I'm starting to think that the Windsor and together, because they meet, they meet with the Windsor, there are pictures, so they interact.
Do you have any idea how much they're worth, these families?
Trillions, I think.
Trillions?
Trillions.
For example, people say that, I mean, they say, I'm not sure, it's estimates, nine trillion is the vanguard right now.
But in 2011, there is a Zurich Institute, they made a paper.
Which says that at that time there were 147 corporations.
And out of those 147, 50 banks owned everything.
And at that time it was 40% of the world's wealth.
Now, I think it's even more, 80-90, but now they merged.
They merged into Vanguard and BlackRock.
Blackrock, I can tell.
Vanguard, I mean, I know who runs it, but I don't know how many shares each has.
Because usually they have their court factors, their Jews, so-called Jews, but there are a couple of families, but they don't run the world.
They don't.
Yes.
I think that this is always a distraction, isn't it?
Because presumably whatever religion these people say they adopt, these are just flags of convenience anyway, aren't they?
They mean nothing.
They mean nothing.
And interesting enough that all of them are Knights of Malta.
All of them.
All of them are Constantinian orders.
Order of St.
Maurice and Lazarus.
All of these orders, their members, I mean, they own them.
And do they, presumably, they intermarry?
They don't marry outside the families?
No, no, no, no.
You can find, like, tons of pictures and, you know, articles online, which I save them, because usually the links, they disappear after a while.
Where you can find the marriages between Bourbon and each and every... I have them, how they are interconnected, and how they interconnect in the secret societies.
For example, Medici, probably people heard about them because they were famous before.
They used to have banks, they used to run Florence, and they were even behind the Bernie Madoff scandal, so after that they disappeared.
But they don't, because now they opened a bank.
Where they are dealing with the blockchain.
So... The Medicis are into blockchain.
So what?
Are they behind crypto?
I think so.
I mean, I'm not sure all of the blockchain, but some of them.
I found their bank that they opened and they have descendants.
They didn't go extinct.
And even the Rothschild, the French Rothschild in Paris, René de Rothschild, I found Aldo Brandini, Olympia.
They married in 1974.
They have a son.
The son is always there, Alexander.
It's very visible public, but not her.
And interesting enough that when they take the pictures, you know, they go to galas and certain places.
She is hiding.
Because she doesn't want... I mean, they have a huge palace.
If you would see the interior of the palace, it's creepy.
And this is where the movie of Stanley Kubrick was filmed.
Eyes wide shut?
Yes.
Right.
Yeah, because, I mean, I've done separate podcasts with people who tell me that these are basically, these families are Satanists often.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They pretend to be, whatever, Catholic or Protestant or, no, they're not, they're just a facade.
It's like the Rochas, even in the Encyclopedia it mentions that they are guardians of the papal treasure, but they're not treasurers.
It's one thing to be guardian, the other thing is to be treasurer, which is the Torlonia.
What is in, what are the, is it right that there's, beneath the Vatican, there are loads and loads of books and artworks and stuff which we've never seen?
Yeah, this is where our history is, a real one, because they, after the Alexandria, you know, library burned, like lots of stuff disappeared, lots, and that's why they delete certain things from the internet, because they don't want to be traced.
And they keep changing like, for example, Orsini was a Boboni family before.
So if you go into Venice and you search for those families, they're going to have different names.
So you have to go and dig up when this family changed their name, how did it happen?
And it's after the Roman Empire, it's kind of hard to go down to Babylon and Akkadian and Sparta because they delete those.
They don't want you to find them.
For the people to think that they disappeared, but they didn't.
So, what sort of information is in the Vatican Library that we don't know about?
I think.
The true history of the world.
The true history of the world, yeah.
And all this, you know, fake thing with the flat earth and all that, that was a Jesuitical stuff that they created.
They even have a huge, called Lucifer or whatever it's called, it's a, they can watch the sky.
So all astronomy, astrology, everything is hidden.
So then they dumb people down.
I mean, what did they, they did the Inquisition actually.
Borgia was one of the families who, and others as well.
And after the Templars actually disappeared, all these satellite orders came out.
Montesa, Calval, Catra, and they, the Bourbon family is running them.
So that's how you find them.
I mean, they keep hiding, but you can find them.
I mean, I don't know everything.
I'm keep, still keep digging about them.
So how does it work, say, the French Revolution, when the Bourbons, you know, they lost a king.
Presumably they didn't want that to happen.
I mean, these powerful families presumably don't want to die.
I think they also made a pact with the... because the Templars are also Freemasons, so this whole Freemasonry thing, they infiltrated all the European so-called good bloodlines.
But these people are not good.
They're not the real kings that used to be.
Even like the Windsor were Germans, so they're not even English.
In the French Revolution, the Jacobins, so right now I'm starting to dig about the secret societies to see which one is which, how they interact, because usually when the empires disappear, it's something to have with the secret society behind.
And they are all members of it, most of them.
So where does that money originally come from?
They come from the first empires.
They had the land and what else they have?
Most is land, not money.
And castles, I mean, what is it called?
Yeah, castles and land, especially because that's the most value.
And wineries.
And right now they deal with the dead and deal with the mafia mostly.
They have their agents.
I found the agents of them who, for example...
Those 70s and 80s scandals with the mafia, who run them and what happened, everything happened in Italy, Sicily, Brancaccio, you know, Cosa Nostra, it's all linked to them.
And they don't deal with the banks anymore, the banks is with the bankers.
They have their own Sabbatean, like, Rothschild type, who's dealing with the banks.
Most of the American like, for example, Cuomo, Pelosi, they're all Italian origin and they all are linked with the bloodline, in one way or the other.
Ah, okay.
So, in terms of the wealth of the different families, what do you call them, the papal bloodlines?
Because they had popes a long history, that's why I call them papal.
Are the Rothschilds a papal bloodline or not?
No, they never had popes.
So are they relatively poor compared to these families?
Right now, there is a certain, how can I say, court factors, like Jews, called Jews, I could say Sabbateans because they're not Jews, those are of aristocratic origin, including the priests, there are even priests among.
And those, I have the list of those families, I mean some of them people know Rothschild, Guggenheim, all those Jewish names, Walton, Wallenberg, those...
They were ennobled.
They got titles as Dukes, as Knights of Malta.
For example, Rothschild has a red shield.
It's a Malta.
So he also married into the Aldobrandini.
The English Rothschild right now just died not long ago.
So he's run by the Windsors.
And then is a Italian, I'm not sure where he is right now, because there were five.
So there is one in Switzerland who died, but they are run by the Habsburgs and the Hess.
So you see, there are levels, levels, like the people are here, and then it's the Hess, like Windsor, usually royalties, and then there are these court factor families, I call them Jews, so-called Jews, like Rothschild, Guggenheimer, Goldsmith, these, the people, you know, these bloodlines don't come up into the scene world, they stay behind, they have their own agents.
Right.
So, because, you know, all those people who think that the world is run by Rockefellers and Rothschilds and so on, what you're saying is that there's a level on the pyramid higher than those.
Yeah.
And these are the real players.
Yeah.
For example, the Rockefellers, they pretend they're whatever, Christian.
I don't think, but that's what it says.
And they are with the, There is an interesting family name, not Wittelsheim.
I have them, if you want.
And I even have pictures of who's running the Rockefellers.
There are German families, Wittelsbach, Württemberg, those run Bavaria, the German side.
And they're all interconnected through marriage.
So there are families who live in England, City of London, there are families who live in Germany, there are families who live in Switzerland.
The Switzerland is important to find because, for example, Habsburgs ruled Switzerland, Savoy ruled Switzerland, and they're Italian too.
Baden-Zaringen was another family who actually created Bern.
So, they're all intermarried, and it's not just the Rothschilds.
And is there a family which is the top family?
The top, top?
I don't think so.
I think they... I mean, I haven't counted them, probably around 20, these people, but there is enough.
I mean, because I know I make huge presentations, but each and every one has its own role.
Okay, well tell me about the different roles.
For example, Massimo.
Massimo's family is the top.
That's what they claim to be the top.
I don't think it's the top, but they are not visible very much.
They deal usually with the Mafia.
Otis Couch is the same.
Luce Sepal is the same.
Then is Aldo Brandini, who's totally invisible.
And do you know the Mafia?
You probably heard Sacra Corona Unita.
And I know they run it because, for example, the Savoy family, Duke Aosta, who is a Savoy branch, he's Duke of Apulia.
And Apulia is where the Mafia is.
Right.
Calabria is another place and is run by the Bourbon.
The Bourbon is very visible.
They have an Italian side and they have a Spanish side.
Okay.
And they interact with the Windsors very much.
You can see, like, for example, one of the Windsors just married with Massimo.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
They're young people.
I mean, the older people now, they kind of died.
A lot of them died long, not long ago.
Who was the Windsor who married a Massimo?
I can probably look that up, can't I?
I saw them in Amelia.
Amelia Windsor is young.
I can send you pictures, I can send you a lot.
Actually, this site that it was posted, it's a bulk of information and people don't believe because he's too direct and he's putting like... So you have to kind of go and search.
What I started to do at the beginning, my first presentation was about the World Elite, what they own and who's working for who.
So I went on the economical side, and later on I went on the secret society side, and I searched the companies, whatever he mentions there, whatever he states there, it exists!
There is, you know, the Byzantinian Empire used to be, and there are families there, the Valenti family, Giustiniani family, Gonzaga family, Glücksburg family, who's running the maritime law.
She's even in the World Health Organization side.
She's there.
She's a patron.
You mentioned earlier that One of the Orsini family was a mayor, wanted to be a mayor.
Why would he want to do that?
I mean, if you're one of the most powerful rich people in the world, why do you want to be in local politics?
Because they want to...
Control.
I mean, I found, uh, for example, a couple of people, uh, Gaetani or, but I don't know them now by the top, but I remember one was working in the CFR.
The other was working in the World Bank.
Okay.
One Luxembourg family, for example, uh, he's married with the Torlonia, one of the, um, members and he worked in the World Bank.
So they, they send their people here and there to have the control.
I think that's what it's like.
What do they do in their spare time?
Do they just go around on speedboats and on yachts?
That's what I think, yeah.
They enjoy their wealth that they steal from the people.
And it's very much connected with the City of London.
I mean, City of London, there is a Grosvenor.
Yes.
A family there who's connected with them.
So, yeah, I think they do because it's easy to find their wealth.
Their wealth is all over posted.
Their castles, their yachts, their... Everything is there.
It's just not... It's hard to make people believe because they don't believe you.
No.
I can see that lots of people won't believe this.
They'll say, well, tell me about the Windsors because obviously these are our royal family.
You see, if you read the newspapers, which I don't do anymore, but the Windsors have this image of this, there was a story about the Queen going round the different rooms in Buckingham Palace, turning off the lights, you know, to save on energy bills, and there were all these stories about how they didn't have much money, and there were all these stories about how, oh, they're trying to find a new role in the 21st century and stuff.
Presumably this is all just a kind of lie designed to make them look pitiful.
Exactly, yeah.
If you would live in that, and I can bet with you on anything, if I would live in their castle, I could see horrible stuff happen there, because they're Satanists, they're all of them, and they are.
If you look inside, I haven't been in Windsor Castle, I don't know if it was televised the inside, because the outside I've seen it, but the Aldobrandini Castle is terrible inside.
Is it?
Yeah, I have pictures of it.
I think they came from the Atlantis time, and they think they are the Olympians, like John Connor was saying, it's true.
They want to make back, to create the old world order, not the new world order.
I think, as I understand it from other people I've spoken to, they are the descendants of the, when the fallen angels in Genesis 6 bred with humans, they created this new race.
Yeah.
Which is the seed of the serpent.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I think, too.
That's who they are.
Yeah, that's who they are.
So they were the Titans, I think, and they were the... They call themselves the Olympians, so... Yeah.
And that's just a committee of 300, but these families are even older than the ones mentioned there.
So...
This is why I'm saying, and okay, so if you mentioned those satanic rituals that they make, probably you know about the Dutroux case in the 70s, 60s, where there was in Belgium, there was also in Germany, so it was involved with royals and they were never arrested.
And one of them was Merode.
Merode is a Belgian and he is married with the Lancelotti family.
Lancelotti has an Italian side and has a Breakspear side in England.
Yes, Breakspear, who was a Pope, wasn't he?
Yeah, they had a Pope, of course.
So it's, I mean, people don't believe it.
Okay.
Then search.
I mean, you can search.
It's a lot of search, but you can find them.
You can find, I just found who was behind your COVID in UK.
Oh, tell me.
There was, um, it's, it's connected with the bloodline, Brachetti Peretti.
Uh, she's, he's a very old, um, family because he, I saw him with Pallavicini and I saw him with, um, Oh God.
Toronia.
And he had a lady, married with a lady, and she used to be in the Epstein list.
I can send you the link.
It's blonde.
It was behind your health minister advisor.
And once this happened, this COVID finished, she's gone.
So...
Yeah, I will send you the link because somebody posted the link about her.
And I remember her face.
I usually remember faces.
And oh, she was on Epstein List.
And she's married with a black nobility.
And the black nobility, Brachetti, is an Italian, very rich guy, older, of course.
And they are intermingled with this family.
So you wonder, what is COVID?
Is the black nobility the same as the papal bloodlines?
Yeah, I mean the black nobility, you can call the Windsors, different levels.
The papal, I call them papal because they used to have popes and cardinals and bishops and even the Osorio family is in Spain and they have actually a bishop right now.
Pallavicini, they have an imam right now, I mean the present.
They've got an imam as well?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I have them all.
I mean, I'm working right now on the priest class to see how many priests they have and cardinals.
And you remember when Trump was elected, I don't know if you saw, there was a dinner where all the bishops and cardinals and Jesuits were there together with him and Hillary.
So it's all, you know, left and right.
It's just divide et impera, like they say.
Yes.
I sense that the Jesuits are not good.
Oh yeah, you see, this is a hidden organization.
It's not like the Knights of Malta has... Specifically, on their site, you can find the board who's running it.
There's a Colonna member there.
Used to be an Esterházy, now they changed him.
But the Knights of Malta has the ambassadors all over.
And it's visible, even Habsburg, but the Jesuits are really hidden.
But they have, like Massimo, for example, there is a Massimo Institute.
who belongs to Massimo.
So it's a Jesuitical institute, Fort Ham.
There's lots of colleges in the States and all of them, they train priests and all kinds of, they infiltrate the police, they infiltrate the education, the banking, everything.
Lots of Jesuits, lots.
Cuomo, all of the presidents of the people in the States, I find them, they're Jesuits.
So, I would imagine that the Jesuits are not good, God-fearing Christians.
Very evil.
They are...
They destroyed the whole world, I think.
Not just South America, the whole world.
I mean, especially the Catholic State.
I'm going to tell you another interesting thing, how I find them by etymology and symbolism.
Like Iranian flag, Mexican flag, Hungarian flag.
They're all green, red and black.
Yes, the same like Italy.
And white, obviously.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what does that mean?
So who's running?
Why are the flags the same?
Why is the House of Lorraine, you know, cross on the Hungary's coat of arms?
So lots of symbolism you can find and you can trace them.
All of them, they have the lion on their coat, most of them.
Yeah.
And the fleur-de-lis.
And who do those belong to?
I'll go back to Venice, and I'll go back even further in Egypt.
It's all the same symbolism, everywhere.
But the flags, the flags, they're very intriguing right now to me, because I find more and more flags the same of the countries.
And the Iranian, like, these bloodlines, like Farnese, Ardo Brandini, Pallavicini, coming from the Pahlavi dynasty, Iran.
So there is a, you see, that is coming from here, there, so they all sided with the Papacy and they had the Popes, the Cardinals, so now it's a one big family.
So they, they have, they control the Muslim world as well as the Christian world and as well as the... Yeah, yeah, that's what they want, the one world religion, which is gonna be a I don't even know.
Lucifer.
Luciferian, whatever, Satanism.
That's their ideology, Satanism, I think.
It doesn't have to do with any religion.
What about the Chinese?
How do they control China and India?
Oh, that's another side.
I have another presentation about the Chinese through the East India Company.
When they created it, it's the same bloodlines, and there is a Lee family on that side.
And the Lee, they have a lot of members, the Lee family, very, very... And also have a couple of Jews, like Sassoon family is over there, it's like a Rothschild here, kind of, but they work with them.
And the Lee is a very powerful bloodline.
They control Hong Kong, Singapore, Xi Jinping, I'm not sure, right now there is a bit of fraction there, so easily two, but I'm not sure how they get along.
Also the Khan family, the Aga Khan probably you heard about, so I saw him with the Queen Elizabeth before she died.
And he's another powerful bloodline.
Khan dynasty.
They control the Shriners.
It's a secret society.
And the Muslim Brotherhood.
It's all interconnected.
It's a lot of work to dig up these secret societies and link them.
Who's behind?
Who created what they do?
Right, so Xi Jinping is a Li, is he?
He's a Li, yeah, he's a Li.
But right now he's in the Red China, so I see a kind of a friction there between them.
So I'm not sure if he's with them or he wants to be totally being controlled.
But he's a very good friend with Putin, and Putin is controlled by Romanov family, who never died, they still exist, Hess family, because he worked in the southern, in the eastern block of Germany, when he was a KGB, so the Hess is over there, the Hess family, the Hess, and then the other family, Palavicini, Oh, and the Grimaldi family, they control Monaco.
So, Putin has been seen many times with the Grimaldi family.
They launder money there.
Am I right in thinking that Princess Grace was murdered?
Was she?
Because, I mean, there is this side that I find out that a lot of...
You know, these families, they kind of die one by one, you know, and it's a little bit older pictures.
But yeah, I saw her that she has some problems.
She doesn't get along with her husband.
So, I mean, so, OK, so the Romanovs.
The Romanovs exist.
They never were killed.
Oh, what?
They were never murdered?
I mean, there are descendants.
Yeah, sure.
But surely Tsar Nicholas and Alexandria, they were killed, weren't they?
Yeah, they were.
But there is a... What's her name?
God.
I have her picture.
I mean, she has a son.
I mean, there are two or three members of the Romanov right now.
They're intermarried with the Ruspoli family, which is another Vatican papal bloodline.
The Del Drago family, for example, exists in Italy and that's with the dragon, you know, Del Drago and also Prince Charles, isn't it?
Yeah.
And he also has connections with here where I live in Transylvania because it's all one bloodline.
That's why he says that I'm a dragon.
I heard him many times.
Who says that?
Prince Charles.
He says I'm a dragon?
Yeah, well, I have a stake in Transylvania, because it's a bloodline that's been... So this is... If you want to understand, I mean, the geopolitics, you have to see where they come from, after Atlantis, what peace they had, because, for example, the Black Sea, the Black Sea was all Crimea and everything, it belonged to these Genoese bankers.
So now they're fighting, I mean, we are there, I mean, part of the...
country and Ukraine it was created it wasn't it was created as a country so they all you know what's what's happening right now there are fighting over territories which one should be ruled by whom is that what it is so we think of it as kind of Putin versus NATO or whatever, but actually on a bigger level, it's the families duking it out.
Yeah, yeah.
Because Putin, it's interesting that Panavicini has a stake here.
Why does he help him?
I mean, he's in his back.
He's been seen many times with Prince Grimaldi in Monaco.
It's money and he wants also power.
He wants back his own empire of Russia and the Romanov and, you know, everybody wants a stake in it.
And also for the King of Jerusalem.
That's what they say.
Prince of Savoy wants that.
Bourbon.
Felipe in Spain wants that.
Everybody wants that.
You know, they're gonna fight and we're gonna win.
What do you mean, because of the Bible?
No, I mean, because they're not going to be getting along in the end, so... Oh, I see what you mean.
So these families, they have terrible rivalries?
Yeah, they have internal rivalries.
I mean, they seem to look nice on the outside, but no, I don't think so.
I don't think so.
And we're going to win.
That's what I think.
Are there any nice families, or are they all horrible?
At this point?
I don't know.
Because they were all infiltrated by masonry, by Templarism, by... You know, that's all... In order to understand, this is what I'm trying to go back to Atlantis and even to occult history and get into occult, really occult, to understand where is it coming from.
Because it seems to me that all the good, if there were good families or monarchies before, they were all destroyed.
Every time an empire was destroyed, something came up.
I mean, the Roman Empire died.
They're still alive.
The Atlantis finished.
They're still alive.
You see?
They keep being alive.
This is why I'm saying they're not human.
Or maybe they're possessed.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Sorry, I sort of interrupted you on the Jesuit thing.
I mean, the Jesuits, we think of them, we've been encouraged to think of them as a kind of extreme version of the Catholic Church, the kind of the special forces of the Catholic Church, but they're not really, are they?
They're about... No, no.
I think that, you know, when the Templars There were finished.
I mean, because it was a rivalry.
Because they wanted all the wealth and the Catholic Church, so they fight.
And eventually, they were killed when Jacques de Molay was killed in 1307.
It was not just the Pope, but it was also the King of France who went against them.
But after they disappeared, they never disappeared, their wealth.
That was just the first, you know, those knights that go to fight.
But there is also the lower level, the clerics.
Who wrote lots of stuff, who knew a lot of stuff.
So what you can find, and that's a fact, that after they were gone, the hospitalers were already in Switzerland long before in the 1880s, before 13.
18, I think 18, before 13.
So all the wealth went there.
And the hospitalers went to Rhodes and then they became the Knights of Malta.
So the whole wealth was transferred there.
And this is when Switzerland was created as an independent papal state.
You can't touch it.
And this is where all of them live.
And all the wealth is there.
And they are, even right now, They're together with the Jesuits.
Or maybe they're the same.
Who knows?
Because after other satellite orders came out, they came out the Jesuits in 1554, I think.
It was actually Borgia who created them.
Loyola was just an agent.
And Farnese, he gave out the papal bull, the Regimis Militantes.
Also Gaetani is another Horrible bloodline, I mean the Mafia, because he created the UNO Sanctum and made us every, the whole world were slaves.
What's the UNO Sanctum?
All the land, everything belongs to the, I think the soul was later on, there were two or three papal bulls given, but one was given by UNO Sanctum by the guy, it was a Gaetani Pope.
Everything belongs to the Church.
Everything?
Everything.
All the land.
So this is how it all started.
And then the maritime law and then, you know, it's another subject that you can get into.
What?
Who invented maritime law?
Maritime law is the Knights of Malta and those families behind.
I mean, I have Valenti family.
I have a presentation about that.
Giustiniani was, those are the Greek Byzantine family.
They are still running it.
And if you go on the site and look for the maritime law, you're going to find the Knights of Malta.
I think, so if somebody is a Knight of Malta, they're quite dodgy.
Oh yeah, you should see.
I sent, I think, Venice two links.
One was the Bourbon family, the Constantinian Order, and the other one was the Bourbon's wife.
So still the Bourbon.
You know, they are involved in the World Wide Fund.
They have their two documents you can download.
You're gonna see what Agenda 2030 is.
It's a corporate state capitalism.
They want to corporatize everything.
And they will rule it.
And the other side, the Constantinian Order, is linked with the U.N.
So Constantinian Order is lower than the Knights of Malta, but doesn't matter, they still have special status in the U.N.
and they have special status in the ECOSOC, which is the Economical Department of the U.N., together with the Vatican.
So if you look at who's running, and all of them, both Osorio, you find them, they're knighted.
Who's running then?
I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Savile, who was a, you know, a children's... You heard of him?
Jimmy Savile, I think he was a Knight of Malta, wasn't he?
I tend to think so, because if I'm gonna go and dig, probably I'll find him.
I think so.
Even I have a picture where Gates was knighted by the Queen of Elizabeth in 2005.
What's his name?
Elon Musk was knighted.
All of them!
How much money do you think the Windsors have?
A couple of trillions, maybe.
I don't know.
Yeah, I even can't say because if you look at their castles, if you look at their, I mean, all of these families like Corsini, Gaetani, especially these who are dealing with the mafia, you know why they have so many wineries?
No.
Adrenochrome, I can tell you for sure.
Oh, explain.
Because it's, I mean, the adrenochrome, you've heard, you know what it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Spice.
It's a spice, yeah.
It's made of adrenaline or whatever it's made.
Well, no, no, what I mean is that apparently in Dune, in the film, the book's Dune, spice is based on adrenochrome.
Yeah, but it's taken out of the adrenaline of people.
Of children?
Of children, yeah.
So it's very easy to put it in wine, right?
And drink it.
They put it in what?
You mean for import-export?
That's how they do it?
Yeah, but they have lots of wines, lots, like wineries, like tons of acres of land.
You wonder why.
I mean, the castles.
And it's still not enough.
I mean, this battle is not about the resources.
They already have the resources.
It's about their immortality and our energy to be taken out.
This is why.
And our DNA to be... They are obsessed with the DNA.
This is what I've noticed.
They intermingle among them.
They marry among them.
There's lots of incest.
It's a lot of child trafficking, a lot of horrible stuff, rituals, satanic rituals.
I mean, if Jimmy Savile was discovered, Epstein was discovered, why wouldn't it be somewhere else, something else?
I mean, I've seen a couple of journalists who've been killed because they're exposed.
Yes.
Well, exactly.
I can see why there would be disincentives to going too deep onto that one.
Yeah.
And it's hard to prove because they always cover their tracks.
Even the Truce scandal, all the mayors, all the, you know, attorney general, judges, everybody was in it.
At this point, I think everything is infected and secret services.
I find most of the secret services like CIA, MI6, all of them are Knights of Malta.
So, like it's all infiltrated, all these secret societies.
For example, I just found out watching Leo Zagami.
I mean, he's an insider and he knows.
He said that in Italy, The Mafia.
If you talk about the Mafia, if you talk about the secret societies, it's the same thing.
Same thing.
I mean, Andrageta is so powerful that they have all kinds of ceremonies.
It's connected with the Mafia and with the secret societies, Freemasonry, actually.
And when the Covid happened, all of the Lombardy's hospitals were actually taken over by the Mafia.
Horrible, I mean.
Oh, were they?
For what purpose?
To control them.
You remember you couldn't get into the hospital?
Yes, I do.
Yeah, so there's tons of articles I find right now, because I'm trying to dig up the Mafia and their connections to these families, and I find articles that the hospitals in Italy were taken over by the Mafia during the Covid.
They made money, they controlled, they tried to push this injection on people, you know, they made scared at the beginning when the... Yes, I do remember because I think that the reason that quite a few of us, me included at the time, fell for the idea that this was a kind of, you know, this was unprecedented, this was a terrible disease that was
We got news footage of these Italian hospitals with, you know, being overwhelmed and everyone knew that this was like, what was happening in Italy could soon be coming to us.
And you're saying this was engineered by the Mafia?
Yeah, I mean, there are articles that the Mafia entered the hospital.
You remember Giorgia... I mean, still right now, because at that time she wasn't... Giorgia Meloni, right now, who's in Italy, is connected with the Sforza family, and Berlusconi is connected with the Sforza.
He died.
So, whom did the Italians elect?
A fascist?
Kind of a Mussolini type?
I mean, Mussolini still has... Well, she's not, though, is she?
She pretends, you know, as part of the game that they play, that Yeah, but still, I mean, I wouldn't trust a person who's with Berlusconi.
I know Berlusconi, who was, what he did.
I mean, he died, doesn't matter, but the family's there.
And also, the Sforza family has a big power.
They also had popes.
They have an interesting bestione.
You know, the kid, it's not even eaten, it's giving birth to a kid, it's a serpent.
Borromeo family is the same.
Elcan and Agnelli.
Agnelli created the Club of Rome.
And Pecei.
Pecei, another one.
Pacelli, another family.
So Aurelio Pecei, who was one of the... I only know his name because of the Club of Rome.
Is he one of the papal bloodlines?
Yes, he is.
With the Pacelli together, because these are newer bloodlines.
You know the Pope who signed with Benito Mussolini the pact when they created the Lateran Treaty in 1929?
So that's the Pacelli.
And I'm not sure if he was there when the Red Line was gone.
You know, the Nazis left through the Vatican.
So there was another bloodline Pope.
I think it was the Pacelli one.
The Pope, he was There's so many popes, you know?
Yeah.
But, yeah, and then they have members right now, like Mussolini has two daughters, has a granddaughter, and she's even screaming like hell on the TV, like, why do people condemn his grandfather?
Because he was a Nazi.
Actually, fascist even.
Fascist, yeah.
Was Mussolini one of the bloodlines or just a puppet?
I think it's Puppet.
I mean, he was knighted, but he was Puppet.
But the thing is, the problem with these bloodlines, when I showed some pictures, just with the Raja, because people are so obsessed with the Raja, I showed her I mean, both of them are right around 70s now.
They don't, I don't think they rule.
It's the kids, the 40, 50 year old kids right now, their son.
They were like, wow, I never seen her.
Of course you never.
I mean, the Aldo Brandini is never going to show herself.
I saw her in pictures with Macron and with his wife.
They were at some gala in France, and she's a very nice lady.
They married in 1974.
And you know what they did on the internet?
They took out those links and people saved them, put them somewhere, archived, so you still can find.
So who are we talking about now?
Who's this girl?
Aldo Brandini, one of the bloodlines.
I mean, when people keep saying that the Rothschild is ruling, No, they don't.
No, they don't talk about the Habsburg, the Habsburg and the Hess.
And there are lots of bloodlines who are in the background.
They don't show themselves every day on TV.
And you see them, they all seem to, the only time they sort of interact with our world is, as you say, when you see them turning up at these charity galas and things.
They sort of, they embrace these charitable causes, don't they?
What's that all about?
That's just wanting laundering money.
That's easy, don't pay taxes, and also laundering through the casinos, that's another.
You have to, I mean, the mafia, all that mafia money, you have to legitimize it, right?
And that's what I think.
I mean, even House of Savoy, who's a very powerful, they have a site, and it's an American charity, it's in the States.
And who do you think they knighted in 2016?
Fauci.
And every year they have balls.
Every year.
You can find, you can... Do you entertain?
How did they... It's just... To me now it doesn't... At the beginning I was angry and now I'm laughing.
They have balls where they eat children, presumably.
Celebrating with, like, You can see the lifestyle they live, the rich lifestyle.
There is a club of leaders in Switzerland which is run by the Savoy family, actually created, and by other families, Imperiales, another Genoese family, very old.
And yeah, you can see pictures, it's there.
Oh, one of the actors in The Sopranos was called Imperiale.
Yeah, it's a family, yeah.
So, it's interesting how they, even in the Mafia, I've never seen all the movies about the Gotti family, for example, works for Massimo and for all these families, and they have been caught along history, in 70s, 80s, you can find them.
But even those, you know, they're put on the Wikipedia, they keep being deleted, so you have to keep track of them because otherwise you lose information.
A lot of families, they keep saying that the Doria family, for example, there was a Genoese banker, she's married with a Savoy.
This is Doria Pamphili?
Yeah, yeah.
Married with a Savoy, and they have a son.
He died not recently, the son is still there, of course, and he's married with, let me see, they're all intermarried, like all these big families, they have Wealth, like you could imagine.
Well, I was going to say, if these families have had all this money, I mean, probably what, maybe half of the world's total economy is owned by these families, maybe more?
Maybe more, yeah.
That must mean that they've got all these artworks inside their houses that have never been seen, that You know, now you mentioned, I just found recently an Italian site where Torlonia's artwork, like all kinds of statues, like, this is why I'm telling you that it goes way back in history.
Lots of statues.
And they were fighting over, in 2018, in the courts, to give them to the museum or not to give them.
So it's been going on.
And, uh, Like the Bank of International Settlements, it's connected with the Gutzwiller Bank, Gutzwiller families in Switzerland.
And they have, like all these families, they launder the money, they take out the money from the States and they, there are 35 banks in Switzerland.
They're connected to this bank.
And you know, usually how you find the bank, they're going to tell you private.
And you're gonna find like it has 30 members who work in the bank.
So that's a small bank, but it's very powerful.
And all of them are in Switzerland.
The same like UN, the same like all those organizations are in Switzerland.
And all those treaties, I kept digging out right now the World Trade Organization because, you know, 197 countries signed that treaty and that's why we are in so deep shit.
Because, you know, you can't have free trade.
It's never gonna be free, never was free.
It was always corporatism.
So I just found out that who signed that and who started that treaty, the Cargill, which belongs to the McMahon family, which is a Scottish bloodline, long history.
But not papal, not junior bloodline?
No, it's not papal, it's Freemason, so...
The Freemasonry is in the City of London, by the way.
There are lots of Freemasonries there.
That's what I find at the centres.
Yeah, you said that the world is run from Washington DC, the City of London and the Vatican.
Yeah, because they collaborate.
So here are the papal bloodlines, the Vatican, that's the religious part, but they coordinate a lot of stuff.
And the City of London is Still people don't know, not even about City of London they don't know.
Washington they see, they kind of talk about, but the military industrial complex is also run by Farnese.
He's the Bourbon right now because, you know, you can see how the Pentagon looks like and how the Farnese Caporola, everything is a copy.
The Treasury in the States looks like the Torlonia Castle.
It's copied.
Everything was copied from here.
The same building, the same structure.
And the Pentagon, you say, is copied from the Farnese symbol, is it?
Yeah, I have the pictures, yeah.
But the funniest, I saw him when he visited the Pentagon.
And he was received with honors.
What's his name now?
Bourbon.
He's the Italian one.
Duke of... Duke of Castro.
Carlo, let's go.
He's... And he's visiting... I mean, on his site, you're gonna see which countries, what events he participates in, where he goes, what he visits.
They all work together, all together.
I mean, yes, they don't talk about most of the alternative medias.
They don't talk about the Vatican.
They talk about the Vatican, but not about these families who run it.
They talk about City of London.
They don't really touch Switzerland.
Not really.
I mean, I've seen one documentary was about Switzerland and how about the Covid and he exposed these families very well.
The Corona Gate.
And he exposed also the Roche family, which is a very powerful one.
Actually, they live in Switzerland.
The Roche.
Rochefoucauld lives in France.
He's a Knights Hospitaller.
He's Knights of Malta.
And he's running France and Macron.
What's he called?
Rochefoucauld.
The Roche family.
Why is it important?
Because most of the vitamins and everything around the world is Roche.
Okay.
Yeah.
So de la Rochefoucauld was related to that family?
Yes.
They all come from one ancient ramification.
Roche, Rochefoucauld, Rochemart.
Yeah.
But the Roche, for example, he has the patents from the swabs.
All.
So all the patents are there.
And this is why they talk about Moderna, they talk about Pfizer, whatever.
That's just subsidiaries, yeah, exist.
Right.
So, so, okay.
And you know what else they don't talk about?
The patents that are on the Google.
They are where it explains the nanotechnology, which is another DARPA contract with the, with the big pharma.
So they don't mention that.
Most of the doctors and the so-called... No!
The nanotechnology is left behind.
Because that's the key.
It's that technology they want to put in everything from now on.
In every... In everything.
That's the key.
That's why they wanted the... And to change your DNA.
And also it involves the genetic part.
That's the other part of the... So all this injection is actually a bioweapon.
It's not a vaccine.
So the ultimate goal, presumably, is to replace God.
Yeah, replace and take our DNA.
I mean, even Dr. Coleman mentions in his book that at the end, when they make the New World Order, there's going to be left like 500 million people, but that He, I mean, not he prefers, I mean, they prefer to be Asian, because they're submissive and they're, you know, most of the Asian people.
And what else he says?
Yes, the rest of them were either dead or, but those 500 million will be controllable.
How?
Through something, some technology.
I think they want to recreate Atlantis back.
It used to be Atlantis.
They had that technology and it actually blew out and it was destroyed.
That's what they want.
And how many, if you added all the family members up together, how many are there?
Roughly, with the Minion families as well, or just the Maples.
Give the main ones first and then the Minions.
The main ones, I counted them, I'm not sure right now, but let's see.
Orsini, Otescalci, Pallavicini, Aldobrandini, Doria Panfili, I hope I don't... Borghese, that's another one.
They have palaces in Italy.
Let's say about 20.
I'm not sure right now, but I can give you an estimate.
Maybe less than that, but altogether 50 with the Minions.
Because there is a Fritz Gellert, there is a Mac Mahon, there is a Maxwell.
I mean, Gates comes from a very, very old Maxwell family.
I mean, all these families.
Let's say about, roughly, I'm not sure, like 50.
So add to this the bankers.
And the rest of the minions.
Like, usually what I found, and also what other people found and compared, there is the top, these families, there is also their agents, corporations, banks, way below, and government.
And the think tanks, of course, they run, and the secret societies, they run, so...
And how many people are there in these families all together, if you had to add them all together?
Well, I've researched and other researchers say it's about 300 banking dynasties.
I don't think it's 1%.
Maybe 3,000, 6,000.
All together, let's say.
Maybe 3,000, 6,000.
6,000.
Or together, let's say.
6,000 people rule the world.
6,000, but only with the minions, with the agents and everybody, like 6,000.
I mean, the families all together, I don't think there are more than 300, with the banking and everything.
What, 300 individuals?
Yeah, families, because they're actually, they are corporations mostly, not even families.
They're one big family.
But surely, I mean, you know, the As they have children, you know, their descendants, there must be lots of them.
Or do some of them... Usually they have three, four kids.
I mean, that's what I've noticed.
Three, four... Depends, like the royal families, they have three, four, because if... Like Windsors, they have three, I think.
So in case one dies... But from what I've seen, what they want to do, they want to abolish the monarchies altogether.
And they want to create a technocracy right now.
And they should stay behind the scene and some, like the U.N., some technocratic, you know, government, whatever, they should run.
But they should stay in the background.
They don't want to be seen.
Right.
So you think, for example, the British royal family are sick of being in the public eye.
They'd much rather be running things from behind the scenes.
Yeah, they're gonna abolish probably the monarchy as an institution, but they're gonna be left with... I mean, who's right now?
Prince Charles, I've heard, is sick.
I'm not sure if it's true or not.
You don't know exactly.
You don't know, so... Nobody knows.
Over there, they want...
Prince William, I mean, Prince William is not his son, from what I understand, he's the son of Prince Carlos.
Juan Carlos, yeah.
So, he has blood, lots of bloodlines in him.
He has Bourbon, he has the mother Spencer, that's another very powerful family, the Spencer, Churchill, ooh!
They're all together with the Massimos, the Spencer family, and they're very cruel, I mean, they run the circle.
What's that?
It's a big corporation that owns everything, owns the patents.
It's a huge subject.
I can give you all the information.
I mean, it's not mine.
Research that was done by Aim for Truth.
And they are dealing with the Pilgrim Society and the Anglo-American establishment.
Because, you know, they have this Order of the Garter, which is run by Queen Well, right now with Prince Charles.
And they run the Pilgrim, so that's an inside, it's the City of London.
These in the Vatican, they rule the Knights of Columbus, they have a, that's what they rule, the Colonna family, the Maltese, the Jesuits, so, you know, but all of them, they have a Freemasonry in City of London, they have here, they have in Italy, they collaborate very well.
So, everybody has its role.
But the Pilgrim Society is a club.
It's infiltrated everything.
The Circle is another club, but that's done by Habsburgs.
It's mostly German, French, but they collaborate very well.
And there is the 1001 Club, which is worldwide.
And they created a worldwide fund.
And that comprises all of them.
So royalty, aristocracy and simple people, like presidents, like say.
Yeah.
I have a diagram.
I tried to make one and kind of show how they work.
So the Almanac de Gotha, for example, is that, if you're in that, are you basically a baddie?
Almanac Dakota.
I haven't seen it.
The Almanac Dakota is the kind of the genealogical Bible for the world?
I think I saw it, yeah.
I think I have a copy of it, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And what about... Yeah, I saw these families over there, yeah.
Okay, well let me ask you another question related to this.
The British upper classes, you know, the aristocracy, are they all in on it?
Are they all connected?
Yeah, they are.
Yeah.
Yeah, they are, and they're Italian.
They're kind of old, as far as I remember.
It's not a lot.
I mean, 60 or 70 pages, or 100 it has.
But yeah, they are.
And they have even pictures there.
But the Saxe-Coburg Gotha, I mean, they keep talking about the Windsor, which is a Saxe-Coburg, but there is also a German side, which is presented there.
So the Windsors are basically Saxe-Coburg Gotha?
Yeah, and they have the cousins, or the other side of the family, in Germany.
And who runs the City of London?
Oh, that's not one person.
I think, I mean, Order of the Garter, but that's what I found.
But I think there are several Freemasons there.
I put them on my presentation.
There is a Grosvenor family, who's also Freemason.
There is Montagu.
Very aristocratic, old English families.
They're there.
All each connected.
I mean, not one person.
I don't know, maybe it might be a Freemason who's running it, a very top one.
So not the Rothschilds then?
They are, you know what you find about the Rochas, they are Knights of Malta, they are running the banking.
But, you know, if you look at the Rochas as a family, you're gonna find them in Austria, you're gonna find them in France, you're gonna find them everywhere.
They're running the banks.
But they don't own, maybe they have, they're not, you know, the top of the world, because Why would a Rothschild go and bow to Windsor or to Habsburg or to whatever?
He's not!
Do they bow to Windsor?
There was a famous photograph of one of the Rothschilds giving a look to Prince Charles as if Prince Charles is the junior.
Yeah, but there is another picture where it's Evelyn, not Evelyn, yes.
Evelyn, yeah, that's the one.
No, not Evelyn, his dad, the wife.
I saw with him, with her, and she was very like this to the... So I've seen various pictures with the Roger.
Well, you know what?
They are already ennobled.
They already got that... They're Knights of Malta.
They are very high top.
compared to, for example, Goldsmiths, or even Goldsmiths, they exist, or the Walton family, which is another Jewish family.
The Wallenberg, for example, is another Jewish, but they work with the Bernadotte, they work with other families, they don't work alone, and they have a side, and they're very open right now.
I mean, they used to be, and this is Sweden, or the Bonaparte, for example, is in France.
I mean, they all mingle together and haven't seen the Rothschild being like, oh, I'm the top.
Right.
Is, who is, who is the most, tell me about the Grey Pope and the Black Pope and the White Pope.
I don't know if there is one.
I think so.
As I understand it, the Black Pope is the head of the Jesuits, the White Pope is Pope Francis, and the Grey Pope is an Orsini.
I think the Grey Pope would be Dominic Orsini.
And the other one that you said, the Black Pope, I think I saw him with Gates.
I'm not sure if it was a black... I'm not sure if that's the one.
But he's always there.
But if you look at the Pope, I've seen pictures where he meets Torlonia, he meets these families, and they never bow to him, they always, you know, greet him like this, with a hand.
Is the, what language is the common language of these Papal families?
Is it Italian?
Italian also, yeah.
Even Orsini was giving the, that's the problem, that's why I think people don't know because they release a lot of information in Italian, Spanish,
I'm not, you know, if you have to be translated, I mean, I even had, after this site was published in English, I don't know who published it, a Spanish site took it over and added more information to it, more links, more proof, and it's in Spanish, so I keep hearing from people that, yeah, we need translations, because, you know, and even the Wikipedia doesn't match.
when you read about the family.
One, Spanish has more information than the English or vice versa.
Right.
To be able to confuse people more.
Well, I think it's quite good cover because we think of Italy as, I mean, I don't know about what other countries think, how they think of Italy, but I think of Italy as a lovely place with, you know, it's got Rome to go and visit and Venice and, but its economy is kind of Pretty much bankrupt and, you know, it's corrupt and it's falling to pieces.
But this is where the people who run the world really live.
Well, that and Switzerland.
But all of them, like the EU actually, they created, that was their idea.
It was to centralize and to make everything monopoly, patent everything to be theirs.
That's why it was created.
And after the Holy Roman Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, I mean, the Habsburgs had the one who had the idea.
So, of course, it's robbed.
It's all I mean, all you see in Italy is even the Colosseum.
It looks like nothing.
I mean, this is what the interview was about with Orsini, that he was asked what you're going to do as a mayor.
Oh, everything is rumble.
He has such a cynical person.
I mean, if you have so much money, invest it.
He complained about this, he complained about that.
I mean, this mayor is not good.
I mean, I don't know their politics over there, but I know he's a cynical person.
Right.
Why?
Why would you, you know, why would you eventually, I don't know if he was or not, elected, but he's... and they work with the Merck family.
Merck is another... so they... Rosenberg also, that's... I think it's Jewish.
So they're all interlinked, but if they have so much wealth, help!
But they don't care.
Well, exactly.
I'm getting that these people don't really like the world very much.
They wanted... they can't help destroying it.
That's what they do.
And look at CERN, what they do over there.
Like, why would you do all those experiments in CERN?
I've seen a... I have to find that... It was a shorter movie where the Savoy family paid a visit to CERN.
I mean, why do you keep something like this?
And all those nanotechnology, whatever happens in Switzerland, it's like a nice, you know, country with cheese and chocolate and it's like...
Terrible over there.
If you talk to people who live there, they can tell you it's worse than fascism.
You're not supposed to, you're not allowed to take pictures of the buildings.
You're not allowed to get closer to the Bank of International Settlements.
It's so secretive, you wouldn't believe.
And the ones who run Washington DC, what family runs America?
The English, English part.
The English part?
No, the Colleen Stowes, that Fritz, Fritz, and there are also the Windsor, usually the English part, the English of course, but interesting enough that they send over presidents and mayors and whatever of Italian origin, like Cuomo was Italian, Pelosi, Pompeo, and they all have, if you look at their genealogy, where they come from, it's Italian.
Because it is very interesting, I want, but also the Bush, the Bush is not, the Bush, they have also, is English, but they have a German family over there, Buche is written, exists.
Well, Budweiser is brewed by Anheuser-Busch, isn't it?
Yeah.
Maybe that's the German spelling of it.
Probably.
But yeah, usually the English one, but they infiltrate, you know, how they infiltrate all the governments by knighting these people, making them Knights of Malta or Knights whatever of order of this and that.
And then you have allegiance to this order or to this Freemasonry, especially Freemasonry or Mafia.
And this is how they infiltrate everything.
Because I imagine, do you get special, if you're a Knight of Malta, what does that get you?
What are the privileges?
I'm not sure, I think that even the Minions, to travel everywhere, they have diplomatic passports, blue, to do everything, practically they have total immunity all over the world.
That's great, isn't it?
It is, it's great.
You can see why it would be almost worth selling your soul for one of those.
Well, we used to have here in Romania one guy who worked for the UN and he has the same status than the Knights of Malta, I imagine.
The passports, he can go anywhere.
17 years worked there and sold the whole country.
And now he's coming and he wants to be patriotic and he wants to say... I don't believe... I mean, I listen to the insiders and I'm... If they really, they really turn against them, then okay, fine, I agree.
But if they just pretend... I don't... I don't know.
It's... It's terrible because, you know... And the other thing, they keep blaming the British Empire.
It's not British!
Because they destroyed Britain.
They destroyed all the countries.
It's actually, I would call it...
People empire or whatever.
Well, when did they, when did they destroy Britain?
Well, when they colonized it, I mean, they destroyed the, it's all, I mean, the city of London, they created as a long time ago.
And then, uh, well, that's sort of 17th century, isn't it?
16 something, 16, The Bank of England.
Oh yeah, the Bank of England.
That's 17th century.
17th century.
So they shouldn't be called like Anglo-American Empire because they destroyed America as well.
They should be called, I don't know, Papal Family Empire or whatever, Aristocratic Empire or Atlantean Empire or families because they don't belong to any country.
They destroy each and every country they go in.
I mean, in some ways, when you know all this, it could be quite depressing, couldn't it?
Because you realize that these people with all the money in the world and with all the connections in the world, I mean, how do you stop them?
But at the same time, it's kind of liberating because it means that individually there's very little we can do other than put our faith in God.
The only thing that you can do to expose them, because they're very afraid of exposing.
But the problem is not even with them anymore, it's with the people.
Because people don't want to listen.
I mean, it's the same like with the COVID.
You keep telling them, don't, don't, because it's not good.
And they don't listen.
They call you conspiratorial, whatever.
The only way when you're gonna listen, probably when you're gonna, you know, burn yourself, but that's gonna be too late.
But if people would know and expose them, then probably they can't hide anymore, because you know what they did?
Every time they created an empire, they put their minions in the front, like gates, right?
So, eventually the empire crumbles, and they go on.
Then the evil keeps on and on and on.
So if people don't know about them, at least, you know, you can't... I mean, I'm not gonna go and kill them or whatever, but just expose them then from the top to crumble everything.
Because if you keep changing the governments, nothing gonna solve.
No, no, indeed not.
I bet if you... Have you ever met any of these people?
No, but I wish.
I'm not afraid of them.
I mean, let's talk.
I mean, but they're afraid of the people because they run.
They run.
I mean, not just they, but look at the one president.
I mean, they run.
They don't move because they know they're guilty.
I bet they'd be very charming if you met them in person.
Wouldn't they?
I mean, you can afford to be charming if you've got everyone in the world.
Yeah, but the problem is the people who meet them, I mean certain media, you know, specialized or whoever is...
Licensed media.
Those people don't dare question them.
That's the problem.
Because they look at... I mean, they're people.
I mean, they die eventually.
I don't know how much... if they're possessed or not right now, because they keep dying.
They morph back.
Who knows?
Because I always said that they're not human.
So why would I be afraid of them?
Because they kill me.
Okay, fine.
They kill me.
But I would question them.
Unfortunately, you can't.
I mean, you don't even see them in public.
Maybe if I would go to Italy.
I'm just wondering if they allow you to go near the Vatican?
Well, you can tour the Vatican Museum, can't you?
And you can see the Sistine Chapel.
Yeah, but just to go there and, you know, try and meet, but probably they're not there.
Or go close to their castles.
What happens?
So, other than that, you can't meet them, because... But this is the problem.
People don't know, and what happens right now in the world, they go and protest, and they destroy, you know, government buildings, and you're gonna pay for it.
Everybody's gonna pay.
What's the point?
If you really want to do something, go against them.
Yes, storm the palaces.
Well, Nora, I wish I could talk longer.
Unfortunately, I've got to go now.
Maybe we can come back and do another one.
But tell us where we can find your stuff.
On MyOdyssey, that's all I have.
That's the only channel that doesn't...
sensor.
I mean, I tried other channels to post and there was deleted this kind of information.
YouTube I never tried.
No, not worth it.
Not worth it.
No.
So it was Facebook I deleted long time ago.
The Odyssey is the only channel that I had put I translate it because each family you can find over there in Italian so I subtitled it in English.
These main families.
And also there are some researchers in Spain who created some movies, I translated them too.
So those are a little bit slower.
And yeah, everything I post there.
I have the presentations, but those ones I can't post because I don't know.
I have to find something where I post the PowerPoints.
Well, Laura, thank you very much.
It's been really great talking to you.
I wish it weren't so dispiriting, but it's been really interesting.
