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	I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest but I really am.
	We've got David Scott.
	Welcome to the DellingPod with me, James DellingPod.
	And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am.
	We've got David Scott.
	David, welcome to the DellingPod.
	I think most of our viewers and listeners know you from your Incarnation at UK column.
	You've got a new gig, Northern Exposure.
	I can see your really impressive Neon logo in the back, which puts me to shame.
	By the way, before I go on, I want to apologise for the fact that all those of you who came here to see my lovely ears, and they're hidden behind these expensive but obtrusive headphones, the reason is that for some reason the sound wasn't coming through my little speakers and my little headphones, so you're going to have to put up with me looking like Princess Leia.
	David, Tell me about your new venture.
	Well firstly, thanks very much for having me on the Daily Pod.
	This is a big thrill.
	And the new venture's been running now, oh, just about a month.
	So the first thing we did is woodwork and a bit of wiring, and we built a little set to do recordings in.
	I'd have to say a big thank you to the people who did the neon sign.
	I thought this would be difficult to get, but actually it was a great service.
	You go online and And tell them what text you want and font you want and it arrives in a box about three weeks later.
	It's great!
	So, we built the set and we started doing things.
	Now, I'll take you through what we're up to and we might have a wee chat about each one as we go along.
	So, the one that's been happening today, been moving forward today, is a conference for the Fornetti Girls.
	Now the Fornethi Girls are a survivors group from Fornethi Residential School which was operated by Glasgow Corporation and then Strathclyde Regional Council.
	It opened in 1961 and it ran to 1991 and very unusually it was an institution that was abusive from day one.
	It was brutal to these little girls.
	So this was girls from five years old to 12 from Glasgow.
	And they were selected.
	We might discuss how that happened.
	They were selected and they were sent to Fornethi for six to eight weeks.
	And this was meant to in some way help them.
	It was meant to be almost like a boarding school experience.
	It was meant to be out in the country, fresh air, away from the big city, away from the smoke and the grime of Glasgow.
	And instead of helping them, this blighted their lives.
	So we've had now a year, just over a year, working with the Funethi Girls And there's a survivor group of something like 200 in the Glasgow area.
	And there's survivor groups in America and Australia and all over.
	Because they had 74 rooms at Fornethi.
	And the girls went through in a 6-8 week rotation.
	So we think there was over 20,000 girls went through this institution.
	And as I say, it was abusive from day one.
	Abusive in every way.
	So there would be psychological, physical and sexual abuse.
	So we've sat down, we've spoken at a great length with quite a lot of the Survivor group and their women in their You know, 40s, 50s, 60s, and their entire lives have been either seriously harmed or absolutely blighted by the effects of that six to eight week stay.
	It's dramatic to see The effect it's had on them and it's very impressive to see the courage that they show in speaking out about it.
	So we started working with them back in about October 22, maybe November 22, when we came across the group and there was not much happening and we started to do Research, and we've got over the various campaigns we've been involved with over the piece, quite developed research abilities, and this started to propel things forward.
	So after three or four months of this, we put on the first phonetic conference, which was done with my colleagues at UK Column.
	from a grassroots organisation called the Fresh Start Foundation.
	And we put on this conference to kind of kick things into high gear.
	So this had a really beneficial effect because all of a sudden the women were standing up, they were telling their stories.
	I'd have to say the people at the venue were stunned by the stories.
	The people at the venue hadn't really seen anything like it.
	And the amount of courage that it took these women to stand up and say what happened, literally one or two of them had been held up by other women as they got through telling what they'd actually gone through.
	And the courage they showed was phenomenal.
	And this kicked things off into high gear, so all of a sudden some things started to happen.
	We had a debate in Parliament.
	We've had an arrest, there's a court case for one of the perpetrators, alleged perpetrators, due to hit the Scottish courts sometime soon, and so all of a sudden the authorities are taking things seriously, and they're researching and searching for information, and for all the answers to the questions the women had, like, why me?
	Why did it go on for 30 years?
	Why was nothing done?
	We're getting answers to all of this.
	So on the 11th of February we're running a second conference.
	So there's a little crowd funder on my Twitter account at the moment.
	There's a link to it in my Twitter account and it's for the Finetti Conference to raise a little bit of cash to pay for the venue and video editing and such like, because we'll turn it into a full record of the day's events.
	So if anyone out there can help, please help with that.
	The event shows you how much progress you can make in a year because we've now got human rights lawyers standing up at our event and talking about all the progress that can be made on that front.
	We've got a professor standing up who did all of the research in the Glasgow City Archives for us.
	Talking about what's been found there and the whole thing has moved forward tremendously and whilst the first conference was all about the women and experience and was very difficult, I mean physically and emotionally very difficult for them to do, this time a year on it's all about the progress we've made and how much How much the campaign has advanced, which has been tremendous.
	So, that's project one.
	Well, I think we've already found definitely one topic I'd like to explore further with you.
	The impression I get, as I venture deeper down the rabbit hole, is that organised sexual abuse of children in institutions like this happens all around the world.
	And you've found a particular
	Example, but I bet there are better schools in Australia about I'm sure the schools in America and Canada and and and so on but One thing I've noticed In in my kind of meanders around around the internet looking at looking at all the different conspiracies that are perpetrated against us By elites by by people in government and and and beyond that and
	Scotland does seem to punch above its weight in terms of pure, round, unvarnished evil.
	And I was wondering whether you had any thoughts on that.
	I mean, it does seem a really evil place.
	Yeah.
	Um, let me, let me give you a handle on that.
	Um, one of the people that we've identified as having been recognized by, um, a very high proportion of the frenetic women, um, was Sir Nicholas Fairbairn, former member of Conservative Government under Margaret Thatcher, former Secretary General in Scotland, so that's the second highest law officer In Scotland, just under the Lord Advocate.
	So in charge of criminal prosecution, all criminal prosecution in Scotland goes through the Crown Office.
	There's no other HMRC, Post Office, BBC collecting TV licence.
	None of these people have prosecutorial powers in Scotland at all, goes through the Crown Office.
	And so does Fatal Accident Inquiries.
	So you can appreciate how key that post is.
	If you have corruption at the heart of the Crown Office in Scotland you are essentially lost because the power is tremendous.
	There is a big pile of rejected cases in the Crown Office where there's enough information to have a reasonable chance of a conviction and there is a public interest case for proceeding with the conviction, with a trial, but no trial happens.
	And that's about 40% of all cases.
	So, if you're in control in that organisation, you can ensure that things just die and things aren't investigated.
	And Nicholas Fairbairn, who's a known abuser of children, and who is recognised by multiple people of the Funetti Girls, they didn't know who he was before we showed them the photograph.
	We showed one woman the photograph and If you had attacked her with a cattle prod, the reaction would have been about the same.
	She recoiled in horror from this photograph and immediately broke down in tears.
	The reaction was brutal, just seeing the photograph.
	He's dead now, isn't he?
	He's dead now.
	And also dead is another person we've identified as going there, which is Shiny Bob, who's another known abuser and he was a QC, he was a senior lawyer, very high up in the legal profession in Edinburgh, as indeed was Fairbairn.
	And they're both members of the same societies, SPEC society, the same clubs, the same little world.
	Now we've indications that these men also went to other schools like Queen Victoria School in Dunblane and we'll be digging into those areas as well.
	You mentioned about Scotland.
	Let me explain something about the Frenethy girls.
	Normally I wear a lot of tweed, right?
	I wear like tweed suits and things.
	I don't when I do the Frenethy.
	When anything has to do with Frenethy, I don't wear tweed, right?
	I have to dress down because the abusive men that went to Frenethy They wore tweed, some of them kilts, but they were well-heeled.
	These were not people off a building site or off a farm somewhere.
	They were well-heeled, they were wealthy, they were from the upper stratum of society, and they went along to Frenethy to abuse the girls.
	And the girls were in some way selected for this.
	I mean I suppose if you'd have asked me that many years ago I wouldn't have believed it by country because I thought it was basically straight and the level of corruption and abuse and just outright sin that was going on has been off the charts and you come across this in lots of different places and
	There are one or two parts of Scotland where if I was pulled over by the police I would be distinctly nervous as to what might happen.
	Because some of the things I've put into writing I know they haven't liked.
	And I know what they've done to other people.
	So how much can you trust your nation?
	I've had a police officer say he wouldn't go public with information because, this is in Scotland, he didn't want the shadow police at his door.
	Now, you can speculate, I don't know exactly what he meant by that, but it was an interesting phrase.
	So there is a degree of fear, and there is a degree of conspiratorial banding together to to carry out abuse.
	And children, this is little innocent children from the wrong side of the tracks, mostly, in Glasgow.
	Wrong side of the tracks isn't right.
	From ordinary working class backgrounds in Glasgow, in the 60s and 70s, where really there wasn't an awful lot of wealth around and no one had very much.
	But these girls thought they were going for, you know, something special, you know, away to the country and all the rest of it.
	And they found it was, it was hell on earth.
	And as I say, it wasn't just, it wasn't just, there was sexual abuse, there was also huge physical abuse by the staff and emotional abuse.
	And we suspect also quite a lot of the girls were drugged.
	None of them seem to remember bedtime.
	They went to bed, none of them remember after they got a bedtime drink, they don't really remember anything.
	That's a consistent pattern.
	Interesting.
	So, how much is it centred in Scotland?
	I don't know.
	But, punching above our weight is probably the correct assessment.
	Well, I was thinking of a couple of things.
	Jimmy Savile.
	had a house in Scotland.
	In Glencore, yes.
	And Jimmy Savile was clearly a supplier, a pimp, a supplier of underage children to the upper echelons of society, shall we say.
	And I think that was part of... Jimmy Savile went to Furnerthy.
	He what, sorry?
	Jimmy Salvo went to Fornethi.
	Colour me shocked.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So these girls would... and it wouldn't have just been Jimmy Salvo, would it?
	It would have been a kind of a series of high-profile individuals, sort of politicians and people like that, who would have... like being given... lifting the lid of a chocolate box and being told, you know, take your pick of these girls.
	Is that what you're finding?
	Essentially, yes.
	We're piecing it together.
	One of the issues is the girls' records, one of the things we've recently found, is the girls' records went with them, medical records went with them, from the school.
	They were selected by the school, either by the medical officer or by the headteacher of the school, to go to Fornetti.
	And their medical records went with them.
	Now, if their medical records said, has been the victim of sexual abuse, that was a target on that particular girl.
	Not every girl had horrible experiences, but some definitely did.
	Some were targeted because of their Shirley Temple looks.
	Some would be targeted because of their history.
	Some would be targeted Who knows why?
	We don't know all the details.
	And there was some sort of selection process.
	There was points where men would come and look and then the children would be taken to what was termed parties, sometimes with infiniti, sometimes in big houses roundabout, sometimes houses with a swimming pool.
	And this was not a small operation.
	And it went on for 30 years.
	You see, one of the strange things is, normally, when you find these institutions, they're usually set up with genuinely good motives.
	Fornethi was given to the local authority by the estate of the Coates family, and the Coates family were the thread millionaires in Paisley.
	Yeah, Coates, Vienna.
	So, if anyone knows Paisley, they'll know Coates Memorial Baptist Church, which is a wonderful, palatial, beautiful church, all built from the philanthropic giving of the Coates family.
	So this was given on the specific condition that it would be used to help children.
	So I suppose you could argue it does start Also from a positive position.
	But unlike quite a number of the other places, like Quarriers Homes in Renfrewshire in Scotland, which started off really with the best of intentions and was wonderfully set up to try and help children who were orphans.
	And to which the abusers were slowly attracted and the abuse built and built.
	This was different because it was abusive from day one and it was very strange how it happened because the headmistress that was originally appointed, she died after just a few months.
	There was a stand-in headmistress who wasn't qualified but who got accepted because she was in post.
	And she stayed long after she was due for retirement until she trained her assistant.
	And that assistant became the new headmistress.
	So for 30 years there was only ever two people in charge.
	And they were both abusive and they were both operating in this manner for the full duration.
	So it didn't slowly morph from something that was benign to something that was toxic.
	It started off toxic and stayed that way.
	So it's very unusual, plus the number of kids that went through it, because it was only 6 or 8 weeks at a time, the throughput, and times 74 girls, the throughput, you know, runs into tens of thousands.
	Can I just ask you to rewind a second?
	What do we know about Nicholas Fairbairn?
	Because I do remember, I remember what he looked like, I remember him from Margaret Thatcher's cabinet, Nicky Fairbairn, I think he was known as, wasn't he?
	Lots of people knew him.
	Did they not?
	I mean, he was quite a sort of... a social figure.
	Oh, for sure.
	He made his career on his flamboyant dress and his flamboyant manner, his flamboyant speech.
	These, you know, sometimes shockingly frank speech.
	So he was anything but in the background.
	Like Savile.
	He was to the fore.
	It was absolutely in the open and he spoke quite openly about essentially whatever sexual practices a person got up to.
	It didn't really matter if when they went to the professional job the next day they performed properly.
	So he actually He really gave the game away.
	If you read what he said and what he wrote about women, about how he viewed women, there was clearly something untrustworthy there.
	He wasn't struggling to hide it.
	He wasn't trying to blend in with the background.
	He wasn't trying to be just a grey face amongst many.
	It wasn't done in that way.
	It was done with audacity.
	It was done in your face.
	Like Savile?
	Just as Savile.
	Who appointed him?
	Margaret Thatcher?
	Yes, she did.
	He didn't last awfully long.
	He had to resign over some gaffe.
	I can't quite remember which one now.
	So he didn't last hugely long.
	And he didn't get the top job in the Crown Office.
	There was enough rumour circulating about him that someone got the impression that that would be a bad idea and he didn't get the Lord Advocate's post.
	OK.
	But he was second in command of the Crown Office.
	OK.
	So to go back to my original question, though, why is Scotland so uniquely evil?
	Or whatever it was.
	It's not just Fairbairn, is it?
	I mean, there were other people with that power to shut down investigations and stuff.
	It sounds like a web of corruption.
	Well, the thing about Scotland you've got to understand, it's a small country.
	Right, and it's a small country and it's very unlike... Ethnically, there's no difference between Scotland and England.
	The border doesn't mean anything in terms of people.
	There's a slight difference in Britain between the style of people you get in the Midlands and South East, which is Saxon, and the people in the rest of the country.
	But the rest of the country, Scotland, Yorkshire, Lancashire, Wales, the South West.
	The nature of the people is pretty much the same.
	Ethnically, they're pretty much the same.
	They all come in from different directions, but from the same source.
	They're all Scythian.
	Scythian?
	Yeah, Scythian.
	So where is Scythia?
	It was nomadic people, but if you go to Iran and then head north into Russia, that sort of area is where they came from.
	But they were in the, yeah.
	But the Scythians also, Carthaginians were the same group.
	Bithians and Scythians and Carthaginians all spoke the same language.
	So, you know, you're talking about, there was a lot of migration, right?
	There was a huge amount of migration, and these people came from a similar source, the same source, and they all came to Britain.
	So they're all ethnically very similar.
	But there is a big historical difference, and there's also a scale difference.
	Now, Scotland is five and a bit less than six million people, and England now is almost ten times that size.
	And the systems in Scotland, and because at the Act of Union, Parliament went down to London, Because of the Union of the Crowns, the King went down to London.
	The Scottish system was kind of locked in where it was like three, four hundred years ago.
	And you've got this very lightweight system with a very small number of people involved in key positions.
	Now if they're all fine Christian gentlemen that you can trust, then fine, you've got a very efficient system that will be pretty clean.
	But if evil captures those few positions, and you need a tremendously small number of them, you've got the Lord Advocate and Solicitor General, you've got the Chief Constable, that's three, You probably need the head of the Law Society, that's four.
	The head of the Scottish Legal Aid Board, five.
	And then, what else do you need to actually lock the country down?
	Not many more.
	You know, if you've got six or seven really corrupt people in the right places, you've got Scotland.
	England's much more diverse.
	England always had more checks and balances.
	The Scots were always a bit more compliant, a bit more easily governed, despite what you might think.
	Slower to anger and more placid.
	And this has a downside of making us easy to govern and easy to misgovern.
	And it takes quite a lot to get the Scots riled up.
	I mean, once you get there, they will eventually get there.
	But it's not what you would think from Braveheart.
	And this also means that there's a tendency for this small elite to go along quite nicely and not be questioned too much.
	And we don't have the checks and balances, the institutional checks and balances.
	Take the legal system.
	In England you can run a private criminal prosecution.
	We can't do that in Scotland.
	At least not without the specific permission of the Lord Advocate.
	That hasn't been given in 125 years.
	So there's no private prosecution.
	So you can't say, well, the Crown Office, remember the Crown Office was called institutionally corrupt by Dr Squire of the Lockerbie family's fame.
	So that if you've got the Crown Office, if it is institutionally corrupt, then the heart of your country, the court system, is unavailable to you.
	And this makes Scotland easier to lock down.
	England is more diverse, and America more diverse again.
	There's more power bases.
	Scotland, partly because of scale, partly because of history, it's a small power base, and if you capture it, You can actually get quite a long way towards corrupt aims without anybody doing very much.
	It sounds like it's been well-captured.
	The scene you were describing sounded to me like the Wicker Man.
	I mean, it's this small community which gets away with, well, evil because because no one's going to stop it because every position has been captured
	well the reason I got into all of this was a man called Robert Green and he was Welsh but living in England and he had been campaigning against various bits of injustice in England with some considerable success I mean
	And his background was in travel agency and he got involved in rooting out corruption in that particular industry and the associated legal hangers-on with quite a bit of success.
	And then he came to Scotland, I think it was a holiday, and he ended up getting tied into a case looking to defend a girl called Holly Gregg.
	Holly is a Down Syndrome girl who had been abused by a paedophile ring in the Aberdeen area.
	It's a very high profile paedophile ring including two headmasters, two senior social workers, a senior police officer and a sheriff in charge.
	So he said, well I'll only get involved if there's documentation.
	So he was sent all the documents and he reviewed it all and he thought the case was sound.
	So he started to campaign.
	And he made enough of a splash that the police said they'd reinvestigate.
	So they reinvestigated The abuse.
	Now, I'll show you what re-investigation means.
	Hawley had named 23 abusers, 22 of the names had been passed to the police.
	The police interviewed, the re-investigation interviewed none of them.
	It searched no computers.
	It didn't look at any hard drives.
	It just talked to Hawley again.
	So she had a three hour interview which held to her story, absolutely, she'd been entirely consistent.
	If you know anything about Downs, truthful is what they are.
	They took one or two slips where she had a speech impediment, where one of the names didn't sound quite right.
	So they used that as a reason to say, well, she named someone who doesn't exist.
	That's not true.
	And they decided that There was insufficient credible admissible evidence.
	Crown Office.
	Insufficient credible admissible evidence.
	We can't go forward with this.
	Buried.
	So Robert decided that that meant there was ongoing abuse, rape of children in the Aberdeen area.
	The people of Aberdeen had a right to know and it should be stopped.
	So he decided to stand for Parliament.
	So he stood for Parliament at a by-election in the constituency in which the abuse had happened.
	And he got off the train in Aberdeen and he didn't know but he was being followed by a private detective, hired by the judge.
	The private detective phoned Aberdeen CID who dutifully came around and arrested him.
	And he was then released on bail and the bail conditions were you are not allowed to enter Aberdeen.
	So he stood for Parliament in Aberdeen with an order preventing him from entering Aberdeen.
	But nobody knows about this because the mainstream press didn't report it and it just drifted on.
	So eventually he was convicted of breach of the peace.
	Breach of the peace is another beautiful Scottish term.
	You could be breaching the peace right now and you wouldn't even know it.
	Breach of the peace is whatever the authorities want it to be and it's become an instrument of social control.
	It covers everything, including, and I'm not kidding this, because there's case law in this, looking at me in a funny way.
	That can be breach of the peace.
	So he was convicted of breach of the peace, and he was given a year, and he was let out after three months or something, because we were all making a bit of a stink about this.
	And he continued writing.
	It was given an order, a non-harassment order.
	So the non-harassment order named all the abusers, which was quite interesting.
	Named all these people and said to Robert, you're not allowed to contact or talk about or harass these people.
	So he didn't go anywhere near them, but he continued to talk about the case.
	And then he started to talk about something called the Violate Club.
	Now, what the Violate Club was, was a fetish club organised by an Airdrie lawyer.
	And there was many of the great and the good going along to this fetish club.
	And they had, amongst other things, dolls of children to abuse.
	So it seemed, Robert started to talk about this, and the word in the street was the membership list had leaked.
	So it seemed that someone in Police Scotland decided that Robert was going to publish the membership list.
	So there was a knock at his door in Cheshire, And there were some officers of Police Scotland and they lifted him and they put him in prison again.
	This time, they put him in a prison in Perth, which is my hometown.
	And I heard about it and I thought, well I've got to go and visit this man in jail.
	So that's how I got into all of this.
	Now, having looked at how he was treated, it was corrupt to the core.
	The pressure that was put on him.
	The whole point of the Crown Office is it's meant to be straight.
	It's meant to protect people from wrongful conviction, wrongful persecution.
	They've had to admit that they were involved in malicious prosecution.
	The Crown Office have had to admit this over the case involving Glasgow Rangers and the owners of Glasgow Rangers Football Club.
	That they carried out a prosecution of these men Which would have destroyed their careers and imprisoned them and all the rest of it had gone forward.
	Which wasn't just wrong, it wasn't just an error, it was malicious.
	And that of course, and it went on over years with a large organisation, so that's a crime.
	That is, by its very definition, organised crime.
	So when I say the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service is organised crime, I'm not, this is not just a polemic, this is verifiable fact.
	So this organisation that's meant to protect people, meant to uphold the law, obediently went after Robert for nothing.
	He had a very good lawyer, who's a fine gentleman operating out of Glasgow.
	And the lawyer, I loved him dearly because one of the things he did is he made a point of writing to the Crown Office and thanking them for the 666 pages of evidence against Robert.
	Did they really?
	Yes, there were 666 pages of evidence against him.
	Pure coincidence?
	It's just a number, pure coincidence.
	By the time they got to court there was basically Nothing apart from the fact he's written to Alex Salmond and Alex Salmond's constituency office appealing for help looking into child abuse in Scotland.
	And that was deemed to be a contravention of the order.
	I couldn't see it, but that's what was being decided.
	So he was told, you know, you're guilty.
	And by this point, heart condition and things, he wasn't a well man.
	There was enough pressure put on him.
	He actually pled guilty in order to get home.
	It became a matter of self-preservation.
	And the order was then explained to him that it's not that he can't mention Holly Craig, but if he mentions it to a stranger on a beach in Hawaii, that's quite possibly breaking the order.
	It was you have to be utterly silent on that for the rest of your life or we will get you.
	So it was very interesting seeing how this system operated.
	There was not even the merest hint of reasonableness or fairness or correctness or nobility about it.
	It was vicious.
	And this is what we're in.
	And I don't think that many nations are maybe much better, and I don't think many systems are much better.
	But certainly in Scotland, we've got the mother load of these sorts of problems.
	And it would be joyful to start sorting it out.
	Because the first thing you would do, the first thing to do, is to take the monopoly away from the Crown Office.
	That alone would make a huge difference.
	You know, someone comes to you and says, you know, the police have investigated your case, you've been burgled and you can go to the Crown Office or you can go to their competitor, you know.
	Yes, the non-Crown Office.
	Wegetthebams.com or something who want to prosecute your case, who would you like to go with?
	If we got that, all of a sudden a lot of the problems would go because the Crown Office and the Crown Office monopoly is at the heart of a lot of it.
	Okay, it's called The Crown Office.
	What is its relationship to the royal family?
	Because, I mean, there are sort of unmentioned, thus far, presence in this.
	You know, you've got Jimmy Savile being friend of the royals.
	You've got the Dunblane Massacre, when the guy who carried out the Dunblane Massacre was... Thomas Hamilton.
	friend of Savile's, wasn't he?
	He spent quite a lot of time going around Queen Victoria School in Dunblane and he was taking boys out of there.
	So he was in the same general abusive world that we've been talking about.
	And, yeah, I mean, what does the crown mean, right?
	I actually asked the Crown Office.
	I sent them an FOI years ago.
	I said, could you please explain to me what the word crown means in Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service?
	And they wrote back and said, we don't have that information on file and we therefore can't answer your question.
	Apparently they don't know.
	Because it's one of those very difficult to pin to the wall terms.
	Because the whole idea of having a monarch is it's a personal relationship.
	The crown becomes a very vague corporate thing.
	And to what extent?
	There's almost no tie-in anymore to the monarch.
	And there's certainly none of this personal commitment to a personal human being.
	That is intrinsic in the idea of monarchy.
	That's long gone.
	You know, we've got the skeleton of it left.
	We've not got any of the flesh and the bones.
	You're suggesting that really the monarch now is a puppet?
	That there was a sort of shadowy thing representing this This vague concept that we call the crown.
	Oh, well certainly the latter.
	The vague concept of the crown is... One of the things is to try and understand what fascism is.
	A lot of people throw that word around quite a lot now.
	Fascism, a simple way of understanding it, is it's worship of the state instead of God the Father.
	The state becomes the point of worship.
	There's an element of the idea of the crown that's in that area, that's a long way from the idea of the king.
	These are not tremendously, there's not a big overlap, there's a small overlap, but there's not a huge overlap.
	So how much is the Royal, the actual Royals, how much are they involved with, controlled by or controlling?
	Well, you know, I'm afraid I don't move in those elevated circles and it's difficult to say.
	I got the feeling there was a fair amount of I don't know about Charles, but in terms of the Old Queen, there was a considerable amount where she was quite possibly surrounded with a lot of evil and had limited room for manoeuvre.
	That's interesting.
	I mean, one hears different takes on this from people in our world.
	Just as a brief digression, The thing that spooked me out more than anything, I don't know whether you saw it, after the Queen's death, was as her cortege, as her coffin was being transported down from Scotland South, a policeman at the roadside gave a very, very strange salute that was not normal.
	That it was.
	I don't know whether you've seen the video of this.
	It was weird.
	It was some sort of... It can only have been some sort of a cult symbol.
	I didn't see that, so I'm afraid I can't comment.
	So you've got the rules at Balmoral.
	You've got the various Scottish Dukes in these rather...
	Sinister looking and remote castles often where you know on vast estates where anything could go on I mean, do you think okay, so we know that jolly Nicky bear Fairburn the sort of Star of Nigel Dempster's diary no doubt in the in the days when Nigel Dempster was doing his male diary male gossip diary But I'll bet I mean you tell me about the other the other Dukes and the the aristocracy I mean the
	Well, you see, the thing is, the odd thing about this, the nature of, particularly the nature of child abuse, is you get, it cuts across society.
	One of the things I've learned is it doesn't actually matter who you are.
	It doesn't matter if you're a duke or if you're living in a council house somewhere.
	This stuff can come for you.
	I've seen it come for Dukes and they've ended up being in against their will in abusive old folks homes or psychiatric hospitals or something where there's no place to be and no wish to be and their families couldn't get them out.
	And then all of a sudden, all of the power that you might think is attached to that position, doesn't work.
	And they're not able to make any headway.
	And equally, you'll find that there are people, there's one in the north of Scotland, who terrorise Keith Ness.
	We spoke about this, I've written about this.
	And he was dealing a bit of drugs, but he had no money.
	He was a bum.
	He was extremely violent.
	Extremely dangerous.
	We're probably talking two or three murders.
	There might have been more.
	Multiple rapes.
	And he had the run of the county he had run for.
	No insurance in the car.
	No tax.
	Nobody touched him.
	He was immune.
	Now, the level at which he was immune You couldn't buy with money.
	You couldn't bribe enough policemen to get you that degree of immunity.
	But he was immune.
	What had given him this immunity?
	He knew too much?
	Well, I would suggest to you, I can't prove this, I would suggest to you that the world of child abuse is the only way you get that immunity.
	Yeah.
	Because that's a currency that's worth more than money.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so whatever he knew, He could get away with murder.
	He did get away with murder.
	Now, that was not a joke.
	That was the opposite.
	So, I don't think it's correct or helpful to think collectively about these things.
	It's about the decisions that people make and the connections they make as a result.
	If you start to think of, you know, the group is, and whatever subsection of society you pick as the perpetrators, I think you make as many mistakes as you get things right in that, and it's not particularly helpful.
	Because you're talking about evil, you're talking about the ultimate, you're talking about evil versus good.
	You can choose evil or choose good, no matter what position in society you're in.
	No matter what ethnic group you come from, no matter what, you can choose.
	Because we can recognise this.
	You can recognise we know evil when we see it.
	What was done to the girls in Fornethi, the people doing it, would be under know, they'd be quite clear that it was evil.
	They'll be able to see Well, pursuing this evil theme for a moment, I'm totally with you on this.
	I did a podcast about a year ago, and it took me ages to release it because I was just so freaked out by the whole thing, with somebody called Jessie Zobota.
	I don't know whether you've heard of her.
	I mean her story is that she was she was heavily involved in the sort of satanic world.
	She was a mother of darkness and I mean there's no way of ascertaining whether half of what she's saying is true or not but Scotland did feature quite heavily in her accounts of ritual satanic abuse.
	I know that there was sort of ritual satanic abuse in the Orkneys a few years back.
	There's weird stuff like What on earth is a pyramid doing in the grounds of Balmoral?
	That is not a Christian symbol.
	And then you've got the Scottish writer Freemasonry.
	Can you talk about this stuff a bit?
	Well, let me give you an example.
	I'll give you a little story.
	We were doing a year's worth of touring round about Scotland, talking about child abuse and the victims, including Satanist ritual abuse.
	So we went round lots of different Scottish towns and we recorded the results and we put them out there.
	So this was going on.
	We ran this for a year.
	So it came the time to do Aberdeen.
	So who are we going to get as our guest speaker?
	Robert Green was still alive at this point, so we got Robert, who was fair play to him, up for going back and doing a speech in Aberdeen.
	So, we got cancelled twice, and we eventually did the speech in the street, because we couldn't get a venue.
	It happens.
	It went very well, but by the time I got him back down to Central Scotland, there was no trains home that night.
	And, okay, we'll get you a hotel.
	And there was no hotel, there wasn't a hotel bed in Perthshire.
	We literally walked into a hotel as they sold the last bed.
	You couldn't get them anywhere in Perthshire.
	I said, OK, well, I'll take you down to Stirling.
	There's a hotel.
	We'll get a place, a bed in a hotel.
	It's next to a railway station.
	That'll be convenient.
	So I trailed down to Stirling, dropped him off.
	I've come back up from Stirling.
	It's 11 o'clock at night and I haven't eaten since lunch or breakfast or something.
	And I've got a friend who runs They run a curry shop in Perth, so I phoned them up and said, it's a wee bit late, but would you feed me?
	No problem David, come on.
	So I go in and then, halfway through my curry, in comes two guys with street pasta written on the back of their jumpers.
	So these are two street pastas who are out for the pub kicking out time to help the drunk people home and defuse the fights and generally Make the experience safer for everyone concerned.
	So my friend introduces me as the expert on SRA and points these two towards me.
	And I think, OK, what's going to happen here?
	So I'm telling the story about all that we discussed that day.
	And there's two of them.
	There's an old chap and a young chap.
	And the young chap's eyes are like saucers.
	They're getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
	And the old chap is looking sceptical.
	So I thought, well, I know what's coming next.
	Or I thought I did.
	So I thought he was going to say, this is rubbish.
	And he says, so I finish my spiel.
	And he says to me, oh, I can't believe it's as common as all that.
	He pauses.
	He said, now, there is a coven that meets in Dunning, which is just south of Perth.
	They meet at the witch's memorial.
	And I know there's a coven in Pitlockery, just north of Perth.
	They meet in the fields outside of town.
	But I can't believe it's as common as all that.
	I didn't know about either of those two.
	So here this random street preacher, he knew about two covens.
	Practicing Satanist rituals.
	And Satanist rituals means abuse.
	And if anyone doesn't believe me and wants to know more, look at the work of Loddie Matthews, who has operated a charity in Dundee for many, many years dealing with the survivors of Satanist ritual abuse, and who is an absolute encyclopaedic on the topic.
	So, this happens.
	Now, you may have picked up recently there was a trial in Glasgow, in fact some of the sentencing is still to occur, and this was a Satanist ritual abuse trial, and the people were convicted.
	of abusing children.
	So again, if anyone says it doesn't occur, it occurs, it's been through the courts, it's been proved.
	So these things are going on, and if, of all the areas that I've come across, the hardest, you said you were freaked out by this interview and found you had to take a pause before you put it out, I'm not surprised.
	Of all the areas That I've ever come across.
	It's by far the hardest.
	It's a level of evil that you just... It's unlike normal evil.
	It's really vicious and it's so in love with the lie.
	It will lie and lie and lie and lie and when it's caught it'll just spin round and lie somewhere else.
	There's absolutely no truth in it at all.
	It's a very, very dark thing to come in contact with.
	That's exactly it.
	I mean, there's that bit in the epistles, isn't there, where Paul Tells us to not think about horrible things but to think about you know to keep your mind on on good things, and I think I think Some Christians use that as a well.
	I mean ordinary people as well use that as a sort of get out They just don't want to go there because it's so horrible, but at the same time.
	I'm thinking if one doesn't occasionally talk about this stuff and Doesn't that do a disservice to all the children who are having horrible things done to them?
	Are we supposed to go, yeah, but it happens, you know, and let's not think about it?
	Well, it's worse than that.
	It's worse than that.
	They say, and the answer is, well, you're making it up because it doesn't happen.
	And if an adult champions them, right?
	Suppose their mother believes them and rings the alarm bell.
	Then it's worse because you, the mother, are making it up.
	You were there before and got mental health issues.
	You are therefore a threat to your own child.
	So we'll take the child.
	Oh yes.
	You're right about that.
	This is so common that the charity in Dundee that I was telling you about no longer sends the women to the police.
	They can't.
	They saw it over and over and over again.
	The first thing that would happen is women would lose their children.
	The second thing that would happen is the children would be handed over to the abuser.
	And they saw over and over again, until they got to a point that they said to the women, is there someone you can trust?
	Is there somewhere you can go?
	Right, go, don't tell anybody.
	Because the authorities can't be trusted.
	So before you met, what's his name, Robert Greene, before you sort of got drawn into his story, you were just what one might call a normie.
	You weren't aware of these hidden layers in our world.
	Normie-ish.
	I'd been following Robert's work for maybe a few years.
	And I exchanged the odd email with him and a few words of support.
	But there's a difference between a few words of support and actually putting yourself out there.
	And it's a line.
	You realise when you're crossing it that I am crossing a line.
	And for me it was when I went to see him in jail because you've got to give, give us a photograph of your passport, your address, you provide all of this information.
	So they know exactly, the authorities know exactly who you are.
	And that was me saying, yeah, I'm on his side.
	Right.
	And that was for me, that was the point where it stopped being Yeah.
	It's interesting that both you and Brian Gerrish were sort of radicalised by the same thing, I think.
	I think it was originally child abuse and the family courts and this corrupt system which we're here under.
	Brian spent quite a bit of time in the family courts helping people who are going through it and that did have a big effect on them for sure.
	I'm glad we talked about this because not everyone I have on the podcast is capable of addressing this issue.
	I hate it when people say this to me but I do think you're very brave having taken that step.
	Do you live in Scotland?
	Yes.
	I mean...
	It's not brave.
	It's not brave.
	Apart from the Peterhead area, where I don't feel entirely safe because of some of the stories I've covered, but it's not brave.
	It's necessary because if you don't stand up... This comes down to what... Scotland's one thing, but the whole of society is Coming apart.
	We're seeing increasingly strange things happen.
	We might cover a few later on as it's happened in the last week.
	Things are moving at a pace.
	There's going to be a point where we'll have to take a decision.
	This is the question of if you were a German in 1939 and you found yourself conscripted and you found yourself in the Eastern Front and someone gave you a rifle and said shoot that pregnant woman in the head, what do you do?
	And it's your neck if you don't.
	And you have to say no.
	Now where do you find the courage to say that?
	I don't think it's anything to do with bravery.
	In part, it's practice.
	It's being match fit.
	If you're going to say no when it really matters, we all have a default character.
	My default character is, you might find this hard to believe, agreeable.
	I'm far too nice, and that was always a problem.
	And how do you get to a point where you tell the guy who's got the rifle, no, I'm not doing it?
	Well, for me, you practice, right?
	You start off telling a bit of the truth and you need to tell a bit more of the truth.
	And you get better, because anything you do, you get better at with practice.
	And I think the idea that there will come a point where You'll have to make a hard decision and you'll have to go smiling to your fate if that's what's necessary, rather than give in and do the evil thing.
	I think that requires a bit of thought beforehand and a bit of practice and a bit of development of the skills.
	And using the ideas to say, yeah, that's wrong because.
	And getting out of the mindset of the state says, authority says, do what you're told.
	That's got to die.
	Yeah, I'm with you.
	I remember my sister, my lovely sister was Down the rabbit hole, way before me, and was aware of so much of what I've talked about on my podcast in the last two or three years, including this sort of thing.
	And when I started showing an interest, she said, Jay, don't.
	You mustn't go there.
	There are so many bad people, you'll get yourself hurt.
	And I said to her, when she said this, look, I cannot do otherwise.
	What's the alternative?
	Just sort of accept that all this stuff goes on and you're just going to go, yeah, but I'll find my little safe corner where I can buy myself some time.
	I think so many people have this attitude now as the global economy collapses.
	Deliberately, engineered by evil people who don't want us to have freedom and don't want us to have lives even.
	And everyone's going, yeah, but if I can only make enough money On cryptos or whatever.
	I can buy myself freedom from the system.
	There has to come a crunch point where people say enough is enough and if I get killed so be it.
	I don't want to live in a world where this thing happens and I have a certain degree of responsibility for it if I don't resist.
	If you look at the first century church, what's the outstanding feature?
	Martyrdom.
	Martyrdom, yes.
	Yes, exactly so.
	And this is, and they willingly, if those are the choices, that's fine, I choose Christ.
	Yeah, it's a bummer.
	I mean, I think of all the religions we could have chosen, David, It's only saving graces if it's true.
	That is definitely an upside.
	But you do look at it, and you hear phrases like, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, and actually reading, I mean Tom Holland isn't a Christian, but reading his history of Christianity, he did get one key point absolutely spot on.
	It does seem to be predicated on Yeah.
	So, you know, this is coming round again.
	It'll be here.
	Sooner or later, it's coming round again.
	So, this is where you have to start, I think, just becoming a little less insular.
	You know, just swing back round to Frenethy, right?
	I've sat down with the Frenethy girls and listened to their stories.
	And, you know, out of this, I've got friendship, right?
	And I've got people that I really admire.
	And you look at what they've been through, and they're still going, and I'm the better for having known them.
	Now, if you'd put me in, you know, let's say a cocktail party in Lloyd's of London, that's probably not going to be true.
	There might be more financial opportunity, but there wouldn't be more spiritual opportunity.
	It's not the groups that matter.
	It's the individuals that matter.
	You judge people by what they actually do and It doesn't matter if they're poor.
	It doesn't matter if they're downtrodden.
	It doesn't matter if they are homeless and sitting by the side of the road.
	Those in particular, the people that you should be looking to befriend.
	Yeah.
	Look, I couldn't agree with you more.
	You're quite well placed to talk about the spiritual nature of this war that we're fighting.
	I mean, you're presumably with me, that ultimately what's happening in the world now, it all connects.
	It's all ultimately the great clash between good and evil as foretold in Revelation, et cetera, in Matthew.
	Yes.
	Yeah, it is.
	And this is why the people who think, if I just have a bit of Bitcoin I'll be fine, are wrong.
	Because the evil you're up against is Satan.
	And he wants to destroy it all.
	Everyone.
	Right?
	And no matter who thinks they're safe, no matter who thinks they're getting some advantage from the system, it'll come for you too.
	It always does.
	Because it's evil.
	I've got several ventures just starting in the last month.
	One of them is called Notes from the Edge.
	Note 1 is up there on YouTube and Note 2 will be out at some point in the next week.
	Note 2 is about the relationship between the Christian and the state and how the Christian should view the state.
	I think that's something that a lot of Christians get very, very, very wrong.
	I'll be talking about that.
	So the whole point of Notes from the Edge is talking about ideas that change worldviews.
	Ideas that if you grasp them, you can see things in a different way.
	And I'm going to put out there as much as I can, as much as I have, and hopefully people will come back and there'll be feedback and there'll be a discussion because Getting things wrong theologically, getting the core understanding of how the world's put together wrong, affects everything you then think and do.
	And sorting those problems out really makes a difference.
	I've noticed this, people getting things wrong theologically.
	There's been a big spat on my Telegram channel recently between the Christians and the The atheists, or the New Agers, and the, you know, etc, etc.
	But really, I've noticed as much dissent, much division rather, within Christians, as I have as anywhere.
	Yes.
	Doctrinal differences.
	Some trivial, some immensely important.
	And you think... Particularly in Scotland.
	Is that right?
	Well, you know that there's a joke about a Scottish guy who's shipwrecked and he's washed up on a desert island and it's just him?
	I don't think so, that's a bit grim.
	But he goes and he finds a spring up in the hill That's OK, I've got some water.
	And then he organises, gets some bamboo and he makes a piping system so he's got running water.
	And then he makes himself a little ship and he gets enough bits of rope from the wreck to make a net and he starts fishing and he builds himself a pier.
	By the time they rescue him a year in, this place is a paradise.
	He's got a pier, he's got a house, He has hot and cold running water.
	He's got a bathtub.
	It's wonderful.
	And they're looking around.
	This is fantastic.
	You've built all this in a year just for your own bare hands.
	It's just tremendous.
	And they look up at one end of the beach and there's a church.
	And they look at the other end of the beach and there's a church.
	But why the two churches?
	He says, well, that's the church I go to.
	And that's a church I don't go to.
	You've got to understand this to get Scotland.
	I suppose, before I go off and have a cup of tea, we should talk about the issue.
	I love talking to you, by the way, Dave, I really have.
	It's been great.
	You did not disappoint.
	We've got to talk about the thing that I didn't want to talk about, because I know that we're going to disagree on it, but at the same time people are going to say, well you've got to, you've got to talk to, why didn't you talk to him about why he left UK Column?
	Because there was a, there was a sort of falling out wasn't there?
	Well it was a falling out, not exactly.
	A friendly falling out?
	There was a difference of opinion That prompted me to make a decision that was probably coming, I hadn't realised, but it was probably coming anyway, because I thought for most of the time when I was fully involved in the UK column, the big objective was Covid and fighting the lockdown and telling the truth about vaccine harms and
	To be honest, I thought the UK column was magnificent during that period.
	I thought they did excellent work and we were all very much a unit and very much together.
	When Russia came along, I thought we handled it less well.
	Russia-Ukraine.
	Partly because getting reliable information is so difficult.
	Partly because Editorial lines started to be made that weren't predicated on first getting a full understanding and were then committed and it just didn't quite gel.
	And then Israel-Gaza, that was a much more extreme version of that.
	I felt eventually that I was unable to speak openly and honestly about Israel and Gaza and all that was happening.
	Partly because it's such a toxic area.
	I mean, I've been involved in a few online conflicts, like the Scottish Independence Referendum, for example.
	I used to think that was toxic.
	It's nothing compared to Israel and Gaza.
	The Atheist v. Christian Evolution debate.
	I used to think that was toxic.
	It's nothing.
	The degree of bitterness that is generated over the Palestinian-Israel conflict is like nothing else I've ever seen.
	Now, I've been going to Israel for religious reasons, Christian religious reasons, since 1998 and I've made a point of You're reading quite a bit about it, I've spoken obviously to a lot of people out there.
	I'm trying to get an understanding of what the nature of the problem is, what the nature of the culture is.
	And there are big problems for sure.
	But so hysterical was the reaction that actually talking about reality became impossible.
	And this is why I felt I had to go, because I had to go somewhere I could talk about reality.
	So how much of it was disagreement?
	Well, for sure there was.
	But how much of that was actual disagreement and how much of it was simply people were carried away, not just in the UK column, people were carried away by the reaction and the hysteria surrounding the whole thing.
	To the point that rational debate became impossible.
	I was trying to make the UK column the place that rational debate could happen because that's what we did over COVID.
	The whole world became insane and we were not.
	But it was much harder than COVID because COVID was a story and a narrative cobbled together in three or four months by not the brightest people in the world, And it can be quite easily picked apart.
	Israel, Palestine, actually whichever side of the argument you're on, A, if you're trying to talk about reality, you're fighting on two fronts.
	It's not a one front battle, it's a two front battle.
	Because you've got the extremists on both sides trying to push lies that suit themselves.
	And secondly, this is not something that's been cobbled together in three or four months.
	This is something that's been going on for 50 years or more.
	developing the narratives and building the resentments and building the worldview that justifies the horrible act.
	My position is you cannot justify the horrible act and that should be the starting point and then you start to look at the reality of what's actually going on.
	I I wasn't getting a chance to talk about that.
	I've started in a small way, I put the first article out on the subject, on my sub-stack, so that sub-stack's called Digging Deeper.
	So I'm starting to talk about it there, and I will get to it in Notes from the Edge, and I will get to it in, I'm also doing an interview series called Necessarily So, so I'll get to it in that as well.
	And I'll start to talk about how I see these issues and what I think the reality of it is.
	The toxic nature of the debate is so bad that if you start to treat side A as human, with a bit of compassion, the supporters of side B will accuse you of being the extreme version of side A and will attack you. the supporters of side B will accuse you of being And vice versa.
	And that's the difficulty in actually carving out the space.
	I found when I was talking about...
	Both Scottish nationalism and also the fight back against what used to be called the social justice warriors, which we now know as the woke.
	The first thing you have to do online is to carve out and defend a space in which you can speak.
	Otherwise you'll simply be shouted down.
	That is hard when it's a big attack from one direction.
	When you're fighting on two fronts, it's much, much harder.
	But that needs to be done.
	So we need to be able to have a reasoned and accurate and evidence-based and compassionate, for all involved, conversation about what is actually happening in the Middle East.
	And we need it quite urgently because, as you know, because you've read the book of Revelation, there's a lot going to happen and it's going to be centred on Jerusalem.
	And it's going to be a bit rough.
	Yeah, I'm going to be uncharacteristically politic here and sort of deflect.
	You just reminded me of a story I've told, I think on a previous podcast, but I went to the stables the other day where I hire my horses and some Americans had come over and we were making small talk at lunch.
	And there was the sort of the matriarch she lived on a sort of 4,000 acre estate in Pennsylvania So they you know, they had they had money But I hadn't twigged that they were liberals or Democrats whatever, you know that they were that kind of a bit like the diehard Democrat liberal rich that you see on succession and so we were making a small talk and we were we started talking about how
	You know, my journey of, you know, why I no longer trusted the mainstream media.
	And I said, well, it happened during the Trump election, the last presidential election.
	I could see that this unpopular, senile, incontinent man, with a son with a dodgy laptop, you know, somehow managed to beat the most popular president in US history.
	And I realized as I was halfway through the anecdote that this was not going down well.
	And the woman sort of, she was sort of spitting blood at this point and you couldn't believe and she started telling me about the terrible things that had been done by Trump and how evil he was and stuff.
	What upset me was that I don't give a shit about Donald Trump.
	I think he is part of the Luciferian deception now.
	I'm way past the stage where I believe in Democrats, Republicans.
	I think they're all the Uniparty.
	They're all controlled by higher powers anyway.
	They're all evil in different ways.
	They're all part of the deception.
	But I was reminded of how the whole realm of politics is designed to suck us into these emotional positions where we feel really incredibly powerfully strongly about the truth of our position and how we loathe the other side with a vengeance.
	I mean, they are truly evil and our side is good.
	And what you're describing about Israel-Gaza, Israel-Palestine is like that.
	Russia-Ukraine was an attempt at that, not as successful as the Israel-Gaza thing.
	I think that these things are devised by the rulers of the darkness of this world.
	To divide the world generally, but I think particularly to divide people like us.
	They want more than anything as people wake up to what's going on about the world.
	They want to create these schisms within our... I hate to call it a movement.
	This is not really a movement.
	I don't think we're going anywhere.
	I think the only way...
	The only true form of awakeness is the spiritual nature of this realm.
	I don't think there's actually much we can do about it.
	There are people on our side who think we should take to the barricades and do this and that, but when the other side has the monopoly of force, What you do is get you get crushed and I mean I'm all for non-compliance and stuff and I'm all for spreading the word about the truth about the world.
	But I don't think there's much beyond that we can actually do because I don't think people are waking up on the scale needed to effect this revolution that some people on our side want.
	Do you think?
	I agree with that.
	The solution will be Christ's return.
	It won't be anything else.
	There is quite a lot we can do but violence isn't part of it.
	Because they do have the monopoly on violence and they've got all the guns and taking that route will not yield us anything.
	That's not the nature of the fight.
	The nature of the fight is Very much spiritual.
	It's also intellectual.
	It's also based on information.
	And the number of wins that I've been involved with is quite striking.
	And it's really interesting when you see it done.
	My wife was working with a charity who was supporting parents who, amongst other things, were being subject to wrongful child protection action by the state.
	Now, if I'm mild-mannered and agreeable, my wife is really in the wouldn't-say-boo-to-a-goose category, right?
	And she's not big and tall and hairy, she's small and she's petite She's not physically, you know, threatening at all.
	And she would go into these situations and there'd be like ten, you know, well-paid professional people arrayed against her and this mother.
	And up until this point it would just be the mother and the mother was getting essentially bullied and threatened and it was horrendous.
	And in went my man of wife with a great deal of knowledge and information and World-renowned experts on speed dial and within like two weeks you'll be saying, well how's it going?
	Well their offering is this and this and this and this and they're apologising.
	How did you do that to these people?
	They were going after that woman's child and it's completely turned around.
	So I didn't really do anything, she said.
	Well actually she did, but what she did is she knew her business.
	She spoke without fear because she knew she was right.
	and she held them to account by their own laws.
	And it was remarkable.
	So there's an awful lot that can be done.
	There's an awful lot of fighting to do, but it's not barricade stuff, it's intellectual stuff, and it's first predicated on losing the errors, right?
	We do not trust people because the government says to trust them.
	We do not trust people because the society, the world that we live on, live in, says that they are superior and should be believed because of their unique brilliance.
	That's not how human beings are.
	So you start off and you're looking for truth and you're looking for compassion and you're looking for love and when you don't find those you start asking questions and it's amazing if you lose the inherent
	The cringe that I think a lot of British people, certainly a lot of Scottish people, are born with where you feel subservient to the authorities and you lose that and abandon that and learn and deep down in your heart believe that, hey, we're all equal in a common law jurisdiction.
	Anything you can do to me, I can do to you.
	Anything I can't do to you, you can't do to me.
	And you start applying that and actually believing it.
	So much of what they do, so much of what the state does, so much of what the abusers do, it's done on confidence trickery.
	It's done because you don't know to say no.
	It's done because they have the arrogance to try and pull it off.
	And see, when you start calling people on it, the results can be quite astonishing.
	I would love to end on that point, but I can't because I've suddenly realised I've got to hear your thoughts on the basket case, which is your Scottish Government.
	The SNP, it makes Albania look like a model of probity, doesn't it?
	It makes Albania look organised.
	We'd call it a tin-pot Latin American country, but that would be an insult to tin-pot Latin American countries.
	I'll just give a couple of examples.
	My goodness sake.
	It was funny.
	It's getting beyond funny.
	It's hard sometimes to breathe.
	All of them deleting their WhatsApp messages.
	And not even being embarrassed about it.
	Like, yeah, well it's what you do, because otherwise you'll get FOIs.
	Yeah, so this has been a pattern.
	The Scottish Government has been about secrecy since the get-go, right?
	This is Sturgeon and Salmon before her.
	was all about hiding from the Scottish people what they were actually up to, because what they're actually up to is evil and indefensible and they can't talk about it.
	They're trying to ramrode it through.
	Just as I said, it's a confidence trick.
	So, oh, we're the Scottish Government and, you know, we're here to help you.
	Oh, aye.
	So, a few highlights.
	One of the directors, so this is the second level under the very top of the Scottish Civil Service, so level two, director level, very, very high civil servant.
	I don't know, does that sound like a career ending faux pas to you?
	one of the top seven in the country, actually put in writing on one of these WhatsApp messages that he deleted, but everyone else didn't, that his middle names were plausible and deniability.
	So, I don't know, does that sound like a career-ending faux pas to you?
	This is like We Sell Crap.
	What was the company called?
	Oh, Gerald Ratner.
	Gerald Ratner, we sell crap, right?
	That killed the company.
	I think my middle names are plausible and deniability.
	Sounds like the end of a civil service career for me.
	I think he'll get away with it.
	I really do.
	Anyway, carry on.
	And we had, well, we had Humzer.
	Humzer's obviously been through a difficult week or two.
	It's only, we're still in January and he's already had his brother-in-law arrested for dealing heroin.
	And his wife is a drugs advisor for the government, so that was mildly embarrassing.
	And then once they'd let him out, he had to be re-arrested because someone else, I think another one of the accused on the drugs bust, left a room that he was in, in a flat in Dundee, without using the door.
	He left via the window and so he's been arrested again for that.
	So you could not make it up.
	If you can imagine it, if you can imagine a weird and wonderful stupid scenario that the Scottish Government are doing, then they've already surpassed it.
	The little gif, and it's a gif that keeps on giving, of Humza on his knee scooter, falling over in the corridor right which is a beautiful moment anyone who hasn't seen this please look it up and it says everything you need to know about the Scottish Government because here you have this big clown who's actually running things who remember how he got injured right he decided that he had Covid and he wasn't going to come into work so he didn't go into Parliament
	And then he decided that he didn't really have Covid and that he would go down and play badminton with his friends.
	And then he fell over playing badminton and he did his ankle in.
	So he had a little knee scooter, and he had crutches, and he had a minion, a little Scottish Government minion, holding the crutches, running after him as he went herring down the corridor on his knee scooter because he thought he was, I don't know, Stirling Moss, and then he fell flat on his face.
	It was a beautiful moment, and it summed up the Scottish Government almost entirely.
	The level of hilarity that they give us is good light relief because we're seeing across Europe and across the globe The coming apart of democratic government.
	Now democratic government's always been a bit of a lie because if you think that if you read the Bible you're not going to be under any illusion that the will of the people equals goodness.
	Because that's not how the world works.
	And you've got democratic government where this is After all the thou shalt nots, you put in brackets except by majority vote.
	You can overrule anything by majority vote.
	This has got disaster written all over it and it has within itself the seeds of its own destruction.
	And we're seeing it working out.
	Scotland's funny.
	And, you know, that's a relief, given some of the things we've been talking about today.
	But in America, in Britain, in Europe, in the Middle East, you see it becomes very quickly not funny, and very quickly quite serious.
	And the level of decision making is monstrously poor.
	And the resulting suffering Um, is, is very extreme.
	Yeah, I was thinking, um, I don't, I don't really do topical, because I try, I try not looking at the news and stuff, but who's that person who's just facing jail time now for printing leaflets talking about, I don't know, um, whites being abused in their own country or, or, or... Yeah, this is, this is a nonsense.
	This is simply having One side in an ongoing debate.
	This is very interesting because in the last week we've had three cases from employment tribunals that have said having one side in an ongoing debate, the side the woke hate, is not a problem.
	It's in fact protected.
	It's protected belief.
	It's protected speech.
	And you cannot be sacked, fired, harassed, bullied or berated simply for thinking that, for example, a woman's a woman and it means adult human female.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	And meanwhile, we've got the criminal courts who don't seem to have got the memo yet.
	Attacking people, ruining their lives, imprisoning them, for having simply the wrong side, as they see it, of an opinion on mass immigration.
	Now this is going to end soon.
	Because mass immigration is no longer the subject that no one's talking about.
	It's now being discussed in the Telegraph.
	It's now being talked about everywhere.
	And if you talk to the people, what are they concerned about?
	Mass immigration.
	Hugely.
	People who are of very moderate right-wing traditional opinion are now massively alarmed by this.
	And they want something done.
	Although, I'm always suspicious of, you know, if it's in the Telegraph, it must be part of the agenda of the rulers of the darkness of this world.
	I mean, you know, they don't allow this stuff to happen unless it's the next stage of the plan.
	They're not that clever.
	I don't give them that much credit.
	Satan's their boss.
	He's pretty diabolical.
	Yeah, but not creative.
	And not particularly, I mean, you know, he's got these guys to work with.
	There's plenty of areas where they lose control of the narrative.
	They lose quite a lot.
	The thing that Satan and his followers don't do is they don't give up.
	I'm sorry, the reason I'm looking away distractedly is only because I'm trying to find the name of this person.
	Do you know the person I mean?
	I have heard the case, I can't remember the name, I'm sorry.
	No, it's annoying because I don't want it to be seen to be shirking the fight or not taking this case seriously.
	I'm trying to think whose Twitter thread it might have been on.
	Would it have been on Robin Minotti's I don't know but it is just outrageous that I mean there is despite that despite surprisingly despite the free speech union it seems that Well, but it's now been seen as an outlier.
	Now, I think it's an outrageous decision as well.
	Yeah.
	But I wonder whether in 18 months from now that too will have to be overturned.
	I mean, they are getting pushed back on a number of fronts.
	I don't think we're going to, we're not going to sort out the elves of the world because the elves of the world come from the evils of the human heart.
	But there's plenty of opportunity to win fights along the way, and there's plenty of opportunities.
	you win fights, you get stronger, you get, it's a beneficial thing personally, it's a beneficial thing in terms of your friendship networks, in terms of your, in terms of your, what you might say, your spiritual temperature, your mental health, call it what you will.
	Being involved in actually fighting for right and making some headway is a joyful thing.
	And we should keep the joy in it.
	I found his name.
	I see he's described as a far-right activist.
	He's called Sam Melia, or Melia, M-E-L-I-A.
	And he has, he printed out these slogans, these stickers, with slogans like, reject white guilt.
	Yeah, it's okay to be white.
	We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066.
	White lives matter.
	Stop anti-right rape gangs.
	I mean, this is just like... And where's the crime?
	Where is the crime?
	I don't feel embarrassed to say that stuff.
	I mean, to repeat it, it's a tenable position.
	I mean, the thing about 2066 is all the demographic trends point towards that direction, don't they?
	There was a case where It's OK To Be White stickers appeared in Perth.
	Oh, about two years ago or something, two, three years ago.
	And John Swinney, the local MP, Deputy First Minister for a long time.
	He went on the press and said how dreadful and disgusting this was.
	So I asked him, OK, John, so you're saying it's not OK to be white?
	Of course, no response, no response.
	And another of the wonderful moments from Scottish politics is you'll have seen Humza Yousaf's infamous Whitey speech, which he actually nicked from the Labour leader of the opposition in Scotland.
	who is also of Pakistani ethnic origin who made the same speech in Homs and Nexen so he wasn't even original but he went through all the things that were white that he didn't like and he spat the word and it was a dreadful speech and quite the most racist thing I think I've ever seen and so this is now developed into a million memes including recently the gear my brother-in-law shifts White.
	The prison van they took my brother-in-law away in.
	White.
	And on it goes.
	Oh, I'd like to see this.
	That's good.
	And it started off with, you know, white pudding suppers.
	White.
	Yeah, they're white.
	But it's moved on to more political stuff now.
	Fantastic.
	That's how we're going to win.
	We're going to win with memes.
	David, Scott, thank you so much for coming on the Deling Pod and I wish Northern Exposure the very best in exposing things from the North.
	I think that's the purpose, isn't it?
	That's what we're here for.
	That is our goal.
	It's been great talking to you.
	Tell my viewers and listeners where they can find your stuff.
	Okay, so Twitter is albion underscore rover.
	I'd have to say the football team of the same name are not thrilled that I have that tag, but that's what I am.
	And if you go to Substack Mail, it's Digging Deeper NE.
	And if you go to YouTube, it's Northern Exposure, there's quite a lot of Northern Exposure stuff, so if you type Northern Exposure David Scott you'll find me, or the actual tag is Northern Exposure 9510, and you'll get me on YouTube.
	It will be on other platforms soon, and watch for Notes From The Edge, watch for Necessarily So.
	The interview series, we started that with 9-11, I was interviewing A 9-11 whistleblower.
	And that's kicked that one off because 9-11 was a start for so many people waking up to what is going on in our world.
	And we have, starting on the last Sunday in February, a weekly news review programme which is, the working title for which at the moment is called Mad World.
	And that will be me and guests talking about all the strange things we live amongst on a weekly basis, and the plan is to livestream that one.
	So that's what's going on.
	Join me for all of it, and support me if you can, and share the content.
	Thanks.
	Are you going to go for the Tears for Fears version for your title song, or are you going to go for the cover version that appeared in Donnie Darko?
	I've actually got a version on tape, already prepared, played by two young lads playing a street piano in Jerusalem, across the road from a pub called Putin's.
	They're singing Mad World?
	They're playing Mad World on a piano.
	That's good!
	I like that.
	That's very impressive.
	But you might get the songwriting rights people still chasing after you, I don't know.
	Anyway, David... It was heavily improvised.
	I think they'd have a hard job.
	Maybe they would.
	Right, okay.
	Yes, well, I suppose they're those bots that search the internet for sounds that, like, yeah.
	Anyway, David Scott of Northern Exposure in Terralia, thank you very much for being on the Deling Pod, and it only remains for me to thank you, all you lovely viewers and listeners, and I particularly, I mean, I love you all, but I particularly love the ones who kindly support me, which you can do on Subscribestar.
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	And don't forget to go to my website, JamesDellingpole.co.uk.
	Lots of information, interesting stuff to read if you're bored.
	And thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	And thank you again, David.
	James, it's been a real pleasure.
	It's been lovely talking to you.
	I hope you've enjoyed it.
	And until next time.
	I have.
	And I'm sorry about the epileptic fits I may have induced with my fading camera battery on my light.
	There it is.
	Thanks, David.
	Thanks, David.

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