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Welcome to The Deling Pod with me James Delingpole and I know I always say I'm excited about this big special guest but I really am looking forward to talking to Francis O'Neill.
Francis, I met you at Abbey Roberts's birthday party.
And I thought, here's a character I'd like to have on my podcast.
I got the feeling from you that you're one of the... I don't know what you call this thing we're part of, whether it's the truth movement or whether we're the awake or whatever, but there really aren't many people I trust.
Which I think we can talk about a bit.
But you struck me as a man of absolute integrity and if someone were to tell me that you were actually a secret agent of the Illuminati, I would be both surprised and disappointed.
Disappointed with my poor judgment because it seems to me that you're on the money.
Just tell me a bit about yourself before we go on.
Well, I'm a self-employed artist and I guess in this context I was living in Oxford and working, just getting on with life, but I was also aware that 9-11 had been an inside job, or at least the official story was false from what we were told.
So when in March 2020 we were launched into lockdown, I sort of saw it coming a little bit when Italy locked down and I thought it's going to come here and I was aware that people had been speculating about something similar coming for a while and I recognised what was going on and so quite quickly I was out on the streets doing outreach and I suppose that's how I've come to say the attention of maybe yourself and other people is by doing outreach on the streets and
So for about 18 months we were out every weekend in Oxford outside the main shopping centre in the centre there at the Westgate and just trying to wake people up and initially we received lots of hostility but as time went on I had to leave Oxford because I lost my job because of not complying with the measures and
Then I've ended up in London and I've been with the Yellow Boards, doing Yellow Boards on the streets here for a couple of years, so that's basically a quick synopsis of how I come to be here.
Right.
When you say you're an artist, what do you do?
What's called fine art?
I mean, are you a painter?
Yeah.
Yeah, so I'm a painter.
I was doing them and kind of in the traditional methods.
So like oil painting, drawing a painting.
I was teaching life drawing.
So over time I'd built up a studio and I was renting a space as part of a collective who rented the building.
So a collective of artists in Oxford and So I was teaching mainly from my space there.
I was getting odds and ends at maybe the university or bits of art centres around the place, which I'd picked up over the years.
But I was mainly working for myself, teaching live drawing and portrait painting in the evenings or in the mornings here and there, as well as doing my own work.
And that's what I was working as up until 2020 and things went a bit haywire.
And did you go to art school?
Yeah, I went to Edinburgh College of Art, yeah.
Although I didn't feel like that, you know, the tuition was particularly great there in some ways.
I felt like I learned more.
I went to my local foundation course as a bridge, you know, from A-levels to university.
And I just happened to get a good teacher who was really, really traditional.
And I was just went in the library more and he taught me drawing and taught me the mixing of paint and so on.
So that kind of thing.
So yeah, I think in some ways, Some of the university courses are like money for old rope and they're not maybe not just with art as well like I think it's part of the you know the overall right sort of dumbing down of standards or whatever but yeah that's that's what I did.
Yeah well that you don't surprise me well with the answer you gave me I imagine that what you describe is is is normal throughout the art academic establishment that the impression I get is that it's a long time since you went to art college to learn skills like life drawing I think it I think it used to be well maybe it's apocryphal
I think it used to be the case that in order to in order to was it to be a member of the Royal Academy or something you used to have to be able to draw a perfect sphere but I I don't think that mixing paint and stuff like, it's more about deconstructing art, isn't it?
It's a bit like, it's a bit like literature went through the phase of postmodernism, where it was about deconstructing traditional forms and telling everybody, this is your new world.
This is what you must appreciate now.
Nevermind that old stuff.
Nevermind the stuff you enjoyed.
We've got these new rules that we want to impose on you.
And I'm sure art is no exception.
In fact, it's probably the worst exponent of it.
Well, yeah, I mean, we know, anyway, don't we, like, do we know there's basically what I would call CIA art, which is like Jackson Pollock and that ilk where they brought in all this, the demolition of the culture.
And having gone to Edinburgh, I was aware sort of anecdotally of them throwing out, they had a lot of marble casts of some of the sculptures.
Now, whilst they did still have some, I heard of some of those things, maybe not necessarily Edinburgh, but some of the colleges just binned them because they wanted to make a clean break with the culture of the old, Academia in a way, people used to have to do like however many hours of drawing from a sculpture before you progress to the life model.
And before that you would do drawing like simple forms like cylinders and squares or cubes, sorry.
And so I was aware that there had been that break, even way back.
I was, I was at Edinburgh, say 97 to 2000.
So, and there was other little stories, you know, like things like Sean Connery apparently was a life model there and he had a drawing of him up in the attic still.
And some people, I wasn't, I didn't get to see it, but some people I studied with saw it.
That place still had some of the traditional forms in the sense or traditional timetables.
So there's still life drawing going on and things like that.
But even when I arrived, they had older tutors and they just gave them redundancy.
And I think that was just to get them off the wage bill.
And then we had lots of younger tutors and the teaching Wasn't really then, and I wasn't really aware of what was happening, but I felt myself always fighting against the tide even then, because anything went except traditional work.
And I think that kind of is true now, like anything goes except, you know, the traditions of, you know, as you might say, Christianity, or you can say anything, you can do anything you want except be, you know, traditionally British, I guess, in some ways, or adhere to the traditions that sort of built the country over the past millennia or two.
Well, I think it's part of our experience at living in the dog end of Western civilization.
I mean, had you had a traditional art education, you'd have been taught art history and you'd have been taught about
Giotto and and Bellini and and and so on then you would have understood a Perspective and things like that, but you're right that the since the what early 20th century it has been about rejecting It's rejecting beauty apart from everything else.
I think that's absolutely right.
Rejecting beauty and also rejecting craft and Yeah, both of those things.
I was experiencing it as an individual out of context and I didn't really understand what I was experiencing and what the pushback I was getting from tutors and things like this and the animosity almost.
But I've heard David Hockney say things like that and I'm not a great fan of his work necessarily either.
You could make a case that some of his work being celebrated, even though it's not merited, but he says about things being, it's almost like offensive to the art critic to make something that is just pretty, that's pretty for being pretty for its own sake, you know.
And so yeah, there's definitely that going on.
And you can see it in the architecture and, you know, they have this brutalist architecture.
And people obviously post these memes that they say, like, are related to the old world, and they'll show you a building that's been a railway station or a museum, and how it's been knocked down and replaced with something desperately ugly.
And I think objectively, desperately ugly, like a box, you know, like a concrete box and instead of an ornate building that served the purpose and was beautiful, then yeah, this process has definitely been going on and it's hard not to believe that it's deliberate when you see the world in the kind of perspective that we might do now.
Oh, it's got to be deliberate and it's extraordinary what they get away with.
I mean, you know, you mentioned brutalism.
How there ever could have been a thing where we were encouraged to revere buildings made out of raw concrete, like the National Theatre complex on the South Bank.
I mean, it's just hideous and it's depressing and it's like being in, well, it's like being in sort of communist Communist Europe, isn't it?
Like being behind the Iron Curtain, and yet we're told, no, this is worth preserving, this is part of our heritage.
Yeah, I mean, that whole, I think you can see it.
Like I was out with the yellow boards on Saturday and we did a walk along the South Bank, along the embankment, and we ended up on London Bridge.
And I was just looking at the horizon and you could see some of the older buildings.
And London Bridge, Tower Bridge, Tower Bridge, and it's ornate and you've got certain buildings popping up on the skyline that are ornate.
And it's almost like they are being phased out by this kind of much more, now it's not just about being kind of romanticised in the past.
You can see it with your own eyes.
Some of these buildings are almost there.
Whilst some of them are in, say, the City of London, they're glass-fronted and they're kind of reasonable, they're not too ugly, but you can see that there's a real change occurring where the new world is eradicating the old and eventually perhaps some of these more ornate buildings will be lost as well as others have gone before them.
And you almost see that on the skyline, you can almost see it happening.
And that building as well, in Old Street, I noticed, again when I was out with the Yellow Boards, a lady was saying that she found it very disconcerting.
It's almost like a perspective trick and it's just a...
It looks like it's sinking almost, or you can't tell which side is going, whether it's, like one of those optical tricks where you can't tell whether the cube is, the corner of the cube is coming towards you or going away from you.
It's been designed deliberately like that to be disconcerting.
And I think also that is possibly part of a whole way of making the whole city experience a kind of an assault on the senses.
So we've now got these LED lights on all the cars, which are harsher on your eyes.
And then if you also make the build, and now at the moment in Old Street, it's only one building, right?
So I'm not saying, But if you, you know, use a little bit of imagination and see where it might go, if lots of buildings are built that have a similar theme, you're going to have this whole disconcerting inhuman experience where nothing quite adds up to your eyes and you've got the flashes of LEDs and it does always already the kind of noise of the streets.
So yeah, I wonder how dystopian it's going to get sometimes.
Have you read C.S.
Lewis's That Hideous Strength?
No, I haven't.
No.
There's a scene in there which actually encapsulates what you've just described.
The hero of the book, or the main protagonist at any rate, is this academic who wants to get on.
He wants to join what is known as the Inner Circle.
And the Inner Circle is basically Satanic, Luciferian, and most of the academics at the university subscribe to this, certainly at the senior level.
And As part of his initiation into the world of the upper tier, the inner circle, he has to spend time in this room where everything is off.
There is no symmetry.
it's designed to to sort of disconcert and to reject well to reject the sort of the golden mean the classical the symmetry of architecture which we we know that in the past that um Buildings were made to please the eye.
There were sort of proportions that were deemed to be attractive.
And C.S.
Lewis envisions this process where you have to get used to this weird, horrible, disconcerting stuff and accept it and even appreciate it.
And I think this is what's been going on.
I mean, you mentioned on Puzzle that The lights that cars now have, which make the experience of driving at night really unpleasant.
I mean, it's really jarring and difficult.
My elderly father really can't drive at night anymore.
He just can't bear it.
I'm sure that's the experience of a lot of older people.
I mean, even slightly younger people like me.
It's grim.
And you could also sight The light bulbs that we now have to use, they don't give that sort of warm glow that the old light bulbs used to give.
It's a cold light, an unpleasant light.
Same with street lighting.
It's uglier.
It's sort of lurid.
And I'm sure that this is not accidental.
Well it's certainly not like the warm fireside glow you see in your Christmas card is it?
Like it's not got that kind of flavour, it's not an earthy kind of snuggle up on you with your blanket over your knees on your rocking chair kind of feel.
It's mechanical and I think it's just distancing us from the natural world all the time.
I think probably our biological clocks are out of rhythm, and they're probably more so out of rhythm because we're looking at the screen light on our phones, and like I saw something funny the other day, somebody put a little meme up about, I can't sleep, so I think I'll just look at all the information that's ever been published in the world ever, like 15 minutes from my face with a bright light behind it, and that'll help me go to bed, go to sleep quicker.
So that kind of idea, I think we're always being dislocated, and I think there's, I've seen other things go around and it's always hard to know what's true because we're questioning the, you know, the official output all the time.
So then you've got to rely on unofficial sources, which maybe can be fallible.
But people are saying that it's not particularly good for your eyesight either.
So if we spend like in the winter months, if we're spending quite, if we're going to bed at like 10, 11, 12 o'clock and you're in that electric light for six hours or more, I don't know how healthy that is for us, for our rhythms and for our eyesight and things like that, but it's certainly something to consider, you know.
And a lot of this, I don't think, some people might listen to me saying things like that and think that it's being retrograde or an enemy of progress or in some way, you know, like again, like romanticizing things or just being Not going, not progressive, not going with things, but I do think there's a danger to some of these things.
I think we are of the earth and we've got, of the world, and we've got to sort of recognise that.
And the more we dislocate ourselves from it, the more trouble we get into, which is kind of what we've seen over the past three or four years.
Just, I wanted to pick you up on what you were saying about how Sometimes it's hard to trust the alternative information sources, but I'm just curious about the Yellow Board experience, because I look at you Yellow Boarders and I think, yeah, well done guys, you're fighting the fight.
Are you making an impact, do you think?
Well, I can tell you one way, because it's so demonstrable to me.
So when I started out on the street in Oxford, there was real hostility.
And because Oxford's that centre of academia, and you get institutions like the Jenner Institute, and you'd actually get some of the scientists working on the projects coming past saying, oh, you lot are killing people, are you?
And so we'd get that real hostility.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
I used to have the funny one.
Did you have rats?
Oh yeah, so like we were outside, you know Oxford right, so for people who don't know there's a new shopping centre and there's a square in front of it called Bond Square and the shopping centre is the Westgate Centre and we used to set up a gazebo there and clip information boards to the gazebo and we'd give flyers out or engage the public and tell them why we were out there and what we thought and we'd warn them about the vaccine and we'd warn them about the lockdowns and this was from April 2020 onwards and we had megaphones and stuff and so sometimes I'd be cheeky on the megaphone saying like yeah that floral mask is really going to help you in your anthrax lab isn't it or whatever
So there was this kind of interaction with the public and they would come up to us.
And so sometimes, I remember quite early on, right?
So I remember also, let me context this.
So in March 2020, I was a 9-11 truth advocate.
I'd been online, I'd been out once to, because my brother lived in New York, so I coincided it with, went to Ground Zero and did some flyering out there on the anniversary of 9-11, things like this.
So I'd been, I was aware of things going on and then this happened.
I thought, oh no, all that knowledge is kind of useless because no one cares about 9-11 anymore.
We've got to like brush up and people were saying to you, you're not an epidemiologist.
So I was like, how am I going to become an epidemiologist in like two and a half weeks so we're able to stop this lockdown by the end of the third week?
Right.
And so, so we were going out in the street and so you, you, you do know, you, you know, you, you, you, you research and you're doing your best and every day you're on your own trying to figure out what the hell's going on.
And you get out of there, and then somebody who says, I'm a microbiologist, and you're full of rubbish, and you know, da-da-da-da-da.
And so he's coming at me, angry, two of them, with masks on.
And I had been studying, and I knew what I knew, but I obviously knew that I didn't know everything.
So I was like a little bit on shaky ground.
I'm thinking, well, I'll just stick to what I know and not say anything crazy.
So I was saying, well, the NHS figures show that this many people have died, and that's nothing.
And this was probably, I guess, As I'm thinking about it, it must have been a couple of months in.
I don't know how long.
And I was saying there's only like 50 people or a handful of people under 65 have died.
And they're like, how do you know that?
And I said, well, I've looked at the NHS figures and you have.
And they couldn't believe that some squirt like me had managed to get on the internet and look up the NHS figures and they hadn't.
And then they were carrying on and they just were really angry and really kind of, you know, visceral criticism and stuff.
And I said, so in the end, I gave up on them.
And these microbiologists with their silly baggy masks on.
And I just said to them, like, you think those things are going to protect you?
Would you wear them on a lab?
Is that the protection you wear in a lab when you're dealing with something dangerous?
That thing, that baggy thing.
And you could see the faces, the eyes changed behind it, because these people were so indoctrinated.
They weren't even aware of what they were espousing.
You know, this thing that they pulled out of their pocket or hung off their rear view mirror.
There was loads of interactions like that.
And there was other times when we'd be arguing with one guy who thought he was a big cheese from, you know, from university or whatever.
And then another woman had come up and she was a bigger cheese from university and was completely in agreement with us.
And there was things like really, and she was just pushing a buggy with it, like looking like a little mum.
With a baby in it and stuff and she was more highly qualified than him and suddenly he was like taking her back and so there was loads of like we had people like Peter Hitchens coming up to us and we had a Freemason coming up to us trying to enlist us.
We had all kinds of crazy things happen at that place.
Every week there was something else crazy going on.
It was like we were being targeted almost.
I don't know if we were.
What was the Freemason's pitch?
So this guy, Freemason, he was only a little guy, right?
He looked like he was out of a Poirot film or something.
He had like a little moustache and he was a little kind of, sort of like, you know, like if you'd met him, you know, with a, you were wearing your Panama hat in a movie in Egypt or somewhere, or Palestine in the 1900s, you wouldn't have been surprised.
He had like, he was really well dapper presented, had red trousers, little moustache, and he was like a boss man, even though he was quite small, like really had a boss atmosphere about him, like he was the kingpin.
And it was like, you probably think I'm terrible because I'm a freemason, but he said, it's not really like that.
He said, it's a lot of what you're saying is true.
And so he says, and if you want to speak to me, and we had a long conversation with him.
And he said, at the end of it, if you want to come and speak to me more, he said, you know, you can contact my secretary and I'll give you more information.
I can't do it in the street.
My wife wants to go now and so on.
But like, basically, I could have gone and met with him, but it kind of freaked out a couple of people that we were with because there was a group of us doing this outreach.
Because they thought that, you know, it was, you know, dark and sinister and maybe a bit evil that the Freemasons... I was quite interested to speak to him, but I didn't go anyway.
I just thought I'd leave it.
Well, I mean, what harm could he have done?
He's human.
I don't, I think they just thought it was an attempt at infiltration and maybe they had some kind of ideas that we were being like, I don't know.
They talked, I don't share that view necessarily, but they thought maybe it was some kind of attack in spiritual ways and just to leave it alone.
So I just, I wasn't that bothered.
He didn't tell us that much that we didn't know when he was there, so.
I'm intrigued by the woman.
That you mentioned, the one who was senior to the scientist, because that would have been quite a bold move of hers to take your side in a climate like Oxford, which is very much establishment.
I really wish I was quicker on that because we were having so many conversations and I should have invested in one of those hidden cameras or some kind of I had to had it rolling all the time because it was really just classic and and he was he was going to he was really aggressive with her and say so so where did you study and where's this and she could answer them and every time she answered them it was like She's one up on you here.
She's better qualified.
She's gone to the right institute, like in Switzerland or somewhere, or Germany.
She studied here, there, and everywhere.
And she's qualified in this field, and she dealt with a PCR test, and she knew exactly how the PCR test worked, and how it was fake, and you couldn't run the PCR test at a threshold of 45, and so it couldn't possibly be giving you good results.
And this guy was then hearing all the things we'd been saying.
Because what was really funny was, you'd go out there, and you'd speak to these people, And they would trust the PCR test, and you'd say, well, you know, Karen Mullis says it's a load of old nonsense.
Oh, yeah, well, he's an idiot.
And I was like, well, he invented... They trusted the guy's test, but they wouldn't trust the guy himself.
You know, they would be dismissive of anyone.
Carl Hannigan, who's a professor at your university, he's saying this and this, and they're like, oh, he's just an idiot.
So anybody who disagreed just got, like, dismissed.
It was very interesting to how they deferred to authority unless it, you know, transgressed and went off the reservation.
And so people started coming round to you when?
Or was it just a gradual process?
Oh yeah, I didn't answer your question properly.
Yeah, so this is what used to happen in Oxford in 2020, and also the yellow boards used to get like some hostility in London.
But when we went to the Covid inquiry a couple of times, and one of the occasions was when Abbie Roberts was arrested, Then we put the yellow boards and we put banners on the crossroads which are on the inquiries actually in a building right on the corner of a crossroads and all you got was car horns the whole time.
So that was that was last year 2023, mid 2023.
So the change as far as I could see And people were not just beeping the horns, they were winding down the windows and sharing their experiences and saying, you know, I've had boils all down my back since I got AstraZeneca or I've got a mate at work, he's not been able to use his right arm since then.
People pulled up and said, my wife's in the car, she's sick, she's been sick, we've just been to the hospital, have you got any advice for us before we can maybe try to detox them?
We were giving them like flyers to the World Council of Health or whatever we could think of.
But it was so one-sided.
That the vaccines have to have had an effect on waking people up.
And that was just, I know it's only one little small area of London and people are just passing, but I thought it was instructive in some way, given the contrast with what had preceded it a couple of years earlier.
It's really good to hear these bulletins from the front line, because I think most of us, even people like me who are sort of committed to the cause, are not really aware of of what the mood is out there.
It's hard to gauge, isn't it?
Yeah, it's very hard to gauge and I think... Karen.
Sorry.
Yeah, I was going to say it's very hard to gauge because you're not supposed to be able to gauge it.
So the idea is that the media isolates you and atomises us and puts us in front of our phones and our computers, and you're not supposed to know.
They're trying to hide all this from you.
They're trying to hide the fact that... So if you have someone in your family who's had an adverse reaction, you think, oh well, we're one of the unlucky ones.
I suppose it was for the greater good.
But if you know that everybody's family's got one, Then, and also if you have not actually made the connection that your relative who got cancer and died within six weeks, that could have been caused by the injection, then you just disregard it and put it to one side.
But if you know that it's happening everywhere, so they don't want you to know that.
And it's also something that I learned from the 9-11 truth movement is that They used to do surveys and put it in one of the major papers, whether it's the Washington Post or the New York Times, I can't quite remember which one it was, in America, and gave them three options.
Something like, do you believe the official story?
Do you have doubts about it?
Or do you think it was nonsense?
And as the percentage grew towards the idea that the official story wasn't true, they dropped those surveys.
They did one every year for a few years.
It lets you know that they just don't want the truth to be known by a wider audience.
And so the less people who know what's going on, the better.
And that's why there's a complete blanket of silence over it.
When you were doing your thing in the wreckage where the Twin Towers were in New York, was there a different vibe from doing it in London?
Or what sort of response did you get?
So I'd been online a lot and I'd made my role to be like I could read the papers or the evidence, I would go through it and then I would try and take kernels of truth out and make memes about it just because people can't avoid a meme.
Initially I started like putting you know posts on Facebook and things like this and people would get antagonized by them or ignore them and so I started making memes and trying to bring humor to how ridiculous some of the situation was and to draw attention because obviously when you see me it's kind of unavoidable you've seen it before you've registered what's happening if you're using social media so then one year I went out I think it was 2018 or 2017 something like this
I went to New York for an anniversary and of 9-11 and I went to ground zero for the day and I met some people that I'd only previously spoken to online and we were out giving flyers and some of the guys there because you're not allowed to amplify your voice there so they would ask the shouts they're going They couldn't use a megaphone like we could and I'm not really like into shouting all day but some of these guys had good voices for it and they were like booming out and they would get some hostility and people like would come up to them
And there was people, because it was the anniversary of 9-11, there was people coming for memorial services at Ground Zero, and they were firefighters and policemen.
And also, I don't know the rules of engagement in America, it's a slightly different culture.
So like in England, you can gauge things, how far you can push a policeman or a fireman, and you don't quite know how it works out there.
So these guys, and they were all suited and booted and And I said to one of the firemen, I said something, I said something to him, like, you know, I can't remember what the words, but he said, he said, not today, mate, not today.
Like, because he was obviously lost somebody or he was, you know, not in the mood to have the truth told to him that day.
But I remember speaking to two young couples.
And all I would do, I got a little bit of a spiel going after speaking to quite a few people that day, and we had a flyer on one side, it had a big picture of the North Tower exploding, which is incontrovertibly an explosion.
You can't see it anyway, that's not a building falling down, it's an outward explosion like this.
And I showed that, and I explained my thoughts to these two couples, and I wasn't trying to upset anybody or like to offend them, but I remember that the girls cried instantly.
Like, both times.
Like, no, I mean twice in the day, it wasn't every time I spoke to somebody.
Because there's no, because they could see the truth on that picture.
And I just said, well, and they were saying, what does this mean?
I said, it means that we've been lied to, that the media doesn't tell you the truth and the wars have been waged on lies.
And this, it's a very simple spiel that I came out with, but it made, I just remember the emotional impact of it because it's so, that story is, was, It's so, sort of, such an emotional investment and it was so visceral on the day and it was so powerful.
Like, the whole generation wanted to go to war and, you know, rip Osama Bin Laden's apart and they wanted to go to fight Saddam Hussein.
They used to write on, the soldiers used to write on the missiles and on the helmets about Saddam Hussein.
They connected it with 9-11 and we think of it as weapons of mass destruction and a big lie but that wasn't the prevailing perception of the forces that went out there.
Yes.
The number of young Americans that must have been fired up by 9-11 to go out to Afghanistan and Iraq to lose a limb or to get PTSD or whatever.
Large, large numbers of them.
And for nothing.
For a lie.
What is your... I think someone realised as well, I mean I've got a friend who's Go on.
I've got a friend who's a British serviceman and he realised when he was out there, and there's also a guy who's on YouTube called, under the, I'm never sure who to trust because they're still on YouTube with a big audience, but there's a guy called Bright Insight who's on YouTube and he talks about where Atlantis is and he talks about various different things.
He explores the, like Nikola Tesla, he looks into the Sort of, um, on artificial histories and questions the official histories of things.
But he's made it known that, sort of, he went out there for the same reasons, I think.
I think he joined up... I don't know if it's exactly because of 9-11, but he came to the realisation that he'd been out there for a... fighting on the basis of a lie.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I was going to ask you, what was your best 9-11 meme?
9/11 meme? - There's, there's so many of them.
Okay.
Off the top of my head, I never remember anything.
Let me think.
One of them was, some people wouldn't know tyranny if it blew up three skyscrapers live on television.
And then I modified that when the virus came out and put, some people wouldn't know tyranny if it locked them in their homes, censored them, force-medicated them, masked them, and a various list of things.
And that was shared all over the place, that other one.
I just modified it for the new PSYOP.
I like that.
Yes, it's funny, isn't it?
Because it's clear that they, with a capital T, intended the internet and technology to be our prison.
But we've been using their weapon against them.
I mean, it seems to me that we're winning the meme wars.
I think in the concert, yeah, but I don't know how many people look at memes, but if it was only down to memes, I think we'd already be victors.
Yeah, we would be the new Illuminati, wouldn't we?
We'd be the new boss in town.
That's right.
I mean, I don't think Boris Johnson and Klaus Schwab are much good at memeing, I've got to say.
No, no, no.
I think we've got a way to go before we...
Um, now I, I've actually cited your work, um, because you, was it a sub stack you wrote?
Where you did some research?
I'm segwaying on to the subject now of, neatly into the subject of, of, um, Controlled opposition gatekeepers, the infiltrators that purport to be on our side but aren't really.
And you were very good at calling out one of the groups that emerged during lockdown, supposedly as our freedom defenders but actually, what would you call them?
Controlled opposition?
Together I'm talking about.
Yeah, I mean, it's all right being together.
I mean, I think one of the things that that word itself, like when I was in Oxford during the lockdown, I used to walk around a lot and there was a big, in Jericho in Oxford, which is near the town, there was a big billboard up saying, we're in this together.
And I didn't know if that had appeared for lockdown or what it was for really, but I don't know if it was a political thing.
I think, I think it was.
I know that David Cameron used to have that, you know, something about a big society, but the very, the name itself is kind of, Redolent of some of these, you know, communitarian policies.
And it's all right being together if you're all fighting in the right direction and going for the same cause.
But it's not all right being together if you're ignoring the biggest issues of the day, which were the vaccines and what we're calling the Great Reset.
And so if you don't address those things, then whether it's wittingly or unwittingly, There's a problem.
Now, they argue that this is because they want to have a broad church.
But again, if you've got a broad church and they're not fighting the issues of the day that are encroaching tyranny and the fact that they're all going to get poisoned by this injection, that's a problem to me.
And I'm wondering why that is and why you can't even approach it in the way that I try and do, which is as diplomatically as possible and as gently as possible, where you Provide the scientific information or the common sense information, or as Abbey Roberts always says, you don't even need to do any of that.
Just the ethical information that you can't force medicate people, it's against the Nuremberg Code, it's against the UNESCO Declaration of Human Rights.
It's very simple.
Now, why can't we address that if we're truly fighting for freedom?
And it also seems to sort of subsume all that massive movement of people that passed through London repeatedly suddenly became absorbed by this organisation.
Now, I've written the articles and I've made my senses clear, or what would I say, my misgivings clear, but I've left the conclusions open to the reader because I can't say definitively one way or the other.
And I think that's the best way to do it.
Like, I have concerns about that because from the beginning the problem was not that we, you know, It was more than these minor policies.
It was the fact that they were trying to, in my opinion, kill people with vaccines or kill people with lockdowns.
And if you're not addressing that, and the fact that our whole way of life is undergoing a change, that we are Being forced into, and they call it nudging, you know, like this nudge theory, which is nudging, nudging.
Nudging is what you do, like a wife does to a husband when they say the wrong thing at dinner table or something.
It's propaganda.
It's lies.
It's deception to force people, pull into it.
And they don't have a nudge unit.
They have a propaganda unit.
Right?
So if we're not addressing why there was a propaganda unit forced, trying to modify our behavior into a certain pattern, then we're not addressing the issue.
Yeah.
Yes, well, this is one of the issues that some people...
on our side of the argument get very upset about.
They say, why are you calling out everyone as controlled opposition?
Why can't we all just get along?
I mean, for example, there's Miri Finch, who coined this phrase, if you know the name, they're in the game.
I mean, even today, on Twitter, somebody was having a go at me saying, look, that's a council of despair.
How are we ever going to break out of the Matrix if anyone who emerges as a figurehead gets shot down as a Judas goat?
How would you... I mean, I've got my own views on this, but how would you answer that?
Well, I've got this.
OK, firstly, let's let's address the question that we've been asked here.
Like, is there controlled opposition?
Now, if you're on our side of the fence, you probably would answer that in the affirmative that we think there is controlled opposition.
So if we agree on that, all we're arguing about now is where the line is.
We're just discussing that.
That's the only problem we've got.
Like, you think it's here?
So, when it started, oh, Boris Johnson, he's not, he's not going to lock us down unless for no reason, because he's a libertarian.
Okay?
So, he locked us down three times.
So, for me, the line goes underneath Boris Johnson.
Right?
So, then it's like, okay, so if Klaus Schwab is telling you that they've penetrated cabinets, I would take that seriously.
So, they've penetrated cabinets.
That means that, so we can look at Trudeau, he's a World Economic Forum person.
Macron, Jacinda Ardern, Boris Johnson comes from a sort of family who espouse eugenicist views like his dad and himself.
He talks about depopulation.
So we start to get, the line comes down lower.
Then you look at your media, none of them told you the truth.
None of them, right?
of them about what was going on and if those people who tried to tell this truth like Bob Moran oh he got a sack so there you go to the line comes down below them right so as you go through you start to realize that that basically all at it now and you could say that some of them are unwitting which may be the case or They're following the party line to keep their job and so on.
But that's your starting point.
But the key thing that I would come to in there is that if you don't like the fact that that's, you know, criticizes people that you have an emotional attachment to, that's tough because the thing about the truth is it is divisive.
It divides things between things that are true and things that are not true.
And we have to accept that.
So if there are people there who are not telling us the truth, like for example, and the other thing is that if we, again, if we agree that there's controlled opposition and we agree that these massive institutions didn't tell us the truth, and if they control politicians and these major players, Do you then not think it is likely that they could control a professor like Jordan Peterson?
Or an actor?
Or a miscreant individual like Russell Brand?
Or a... It's not beyond... Listen, in 2020, it was in the national press, eventually, that this occurred, that major budgets were given to pay influencers.
To push the vaccines and to push the lockdowns.
That's documented.
You can look that up in the mainstream media now.
And not only that, some of the influencers on the lowest level, the lowest tier of Instagram content producers would come out and say, I have been offered a thousand pounds to push the vaccine, but I am not going to do it.
So these reports were everywhere at the time.
So if you think that then these higher profile people who appear on your mainstream media, The media has an absolute control of the narrative.
If you can't see that after 9-11, if you can't see that after the vaccines, if you can't see that after the lockdowns, the only people who appear and the only news stories that appear in the media are there because they serve the agenda and that's the way it works.
And so basically almost all of them are a problem and at the moment we've got Joey Barton speaking out and I'm looking at him and hoping he's genuine but in some ways because he's addressing the issue of Women in Men's Sports, which I think leads to Men in Women's Sports, because they're trying to homogenise it all.
But you never know, even with him, I'm looking at that thinking, how much is this is a play?
because most of it is theatre.
They control everything.
Yeah.
It's an interesting one, Joey Barton.
I'd barely heard of him because I don't really follow kicky ball.
I mean, I'm happy I don't now because I realise it's all part of the bread and circuses.
And actually, quite interestingly, I don't really think this is interesting.
I've got my doubts.
This is a digression.
I have my serious doubts about David Icke.
What's this space?
I'm going to express them more in future essays.
I mean, he's essentially New Age.
He's pushing the New Age Luciferian agenda, which is basically the same agenda as the Illuminati.
And I was chatting to him before we sort of fell out.
about football and I was quoting back something I'd heard from Alan Watt who I think was a was you know definitely one of us and Alan Watt did a wonderful podcast once where he talked about the history of football that in the 19th century it was a sort of thing you played in your local park or whatever and and then it
then it became professional professionalized and the the It was heavily controlled by Freemasonry and that the reason that they have Man City, Man United, Liverpool, Everton, Birmingham City, Villa, every town has at least two major teams, more in the case of London.
And the reason is they're all heavily controlled by Freemasonry and it's all about divide and rule and about bread and circuses.
And I mentioned this to Ike, who, after all, is a former footballer.
And instead of going, yeah, yeah, you're right, mate, this is all... He looked at me like I'd sort of walked on his grave.
And I thought, that's a weird response.
And he kind of denied that this was so, which again was, I thought, a bit of a tell.
Anyway, Joey Barton, Joey Barton is talking sense at the moment, but then Elon Musk talks sense occasionally, and of course Russell Brown occasionally talks sense.
I don't think talking sense on certain issues is quite enough, is it?
No, and also you've got to bear in mind that almost all these people who come from the mainstream who are on our side of the fence are easily discredited in some ways.
So Joey Barton's been in prison, he's got this reputation as a thug, putting a cigar out in a teammate's face and stuff like this.
So if you want the best representative for our side, you wouldn't pick Joey Barton.
He's a guy who could be easily discredited, as Russell Brand is a guy who's easily discredited because of his previous transgressions.
You've just got to be watchful.
You'd want somebody like Gary Lineker who is good-looking, clean, no past, no history, nothing dodgy about him, eminently trustworthy.
He's the guy you'd want.
Well, I wouldn't want Gary Lineker, but that's all I'm going to say about that.
He sold crisps, Francis.
He advertised potato crisps.
He's a cuddly guy.
Hey, you know, you were talking about football there.
We can disagree.
Yeah.
You were talking about football there.
There's a few things about football.
There's some weird things about it.
So recently Manchester United have put out a video for the coming season.
I think it's for a new kit.
And Roy Keane, who's a famous footballer, did the voiceover for it.
And it was about signing a deal with the devil.
Now Manchester United go under the nickname of the Red Devils, but in the clip, in the little Twitter video, whatever they put out, There's a contract there, and he puts his hand on it, it's upside down, so I screenshotted it and turned it the right way round, and it's like a deal with the devils.
It's not a deal with the red devils.
And the whole thing is about... and they've replaced the club crest, which used to have, I think, a ship and a football and different things on it, the name of Manchester United, with just a devil on the shirt.
And the whole thing was like a very dark, And it's about, you're making a deal with the devil, you signed a pact, and you did it before you were born, and it has like a, at the end it has a baby, like with the sound of the heartbeat in the mother's womb, it happened before you were born, and how much are you willing to pay for it, and there's this kind of thing.
And then the more you look into it, you know, like for example, the Sky TV has these big posters, and it literally says on it, Bread and Circuses, and it's got Erling Harland holding footballs in both, spinning footballs in both fingers.
I think they tell us a lot about what is actually going on.
They just said bread and circus or something.
No, not bread and circus.
It says the greatest show on earth is what it says.
Obviously, that's my interpretation of it.
It's like bread and circuses.
And there's also very weird things about the Freemasonic going through.
So for example, Manchester United, there was a famous, people are going to hate me for saying this, but there was a famous plane crash where the Manchester United players, the Busby Bays, died on the 6th of February, which was the anniversary of the Queen's accession to the throne.
And they did three takeoff attempts.
And there was snow on the wings and at the third one they crashed and it was at 303 which is like the numbers and things like this.
And the airline was a Crown Corporation, things like this.
But even if all that's mumbo-jumbo and nonsense, right, there is definitely something going on where football is used now to put in I know it's all true what I just said, but you have to interpret it through your own paradigm.
Like, I can't make it... I'm not going to state a case on that.
I'm not confirming or denying what you said because this is new on me, but look, we do know that they like significant dates.
They do like making sacrifices to their dark overlord.
And it happens.
It's not it.
Yeah.
I mean we haven't even got on to Princess Diana yet and and and the significance of the of the underground of the tunnel with the Merovingian blood sacrifices and and all that but it's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that the Busby belt babes were were a sacrifice of some kind.
And then they were knighted just after that.
Matt Busby was knighted just after that.
I'm suspicious everybody is knighted.
Yeah, I don't know what happened.
I don't know if it's connected.
But what I can tell you for sure, what we can see with our own eyes, is that football is now being used as a way of obviously stupefying the masses to get them watching it almost every night there's football on.
But also it's used like the NFL, the American football is used now to promote agendas.
So they have them wearing the rainbow armbands instead of a captain's armband that used to be black.
It's now a rainbow and they do the kneeling for the Black Lives Matter.
So it's used as a way of pushing agendas through.
I've got a story for you about Princess Diana Crash, if you want.
Oh, tell me.
You didn't do it, did you?
People never believe this story, but I was interrailing around Europe.
So we'd had a month and we were coming back and we were coming back through Paris and we're going to fly out through Paris.
And we'd just been to a pizza hut and we were starving and we'd all ordered these big pizzas, like 12-inch pizzas, and eat one each and the chefs would come out to see who these boys were, could put away a 12-inch pizza each and whatever.
and so So then we were walking back and I drank water and the other guys had drank beer and so my tummy was funny because I wasn't, for some reason, the ice or whatever upset my stomach so I was just wanting to get home and we had to catch the last metro back because our youth hostel or whatever was a bit out of Paris and we were walking back across the Pont d'Alma Which is the bridge where, and then all we could hear were the car horns.
These car horns going for ages and ages and ages.
And we're like, there's been a crash underneath and it was a motorway slip road underneath.
And my mate was saying, come on, let's go and have a look.
And so to go and have a look, we would have had to run down a motorway slip road and then turn back and run under the bridge.
And we were trying to catch the last Metro.
So I wasn't feeling too good.
My stomach was feeling queasy from the, I might have been the pizza actually, but it was certainly, I was, the water wasn't helping.
And, um, We didn't go and have a look, but we were on the bridge when she crashed underneath and we didn't know, right?
So then we got to the railway station the next day with our bags and we were going to dump our bags and have one last day in Paris and put them in lockers, which you could still do at that time, you could put your bags in lockers.
And on the newspaper stands it said, Le Maude de Lady Diana.
So I said, the death of Lady Diana.
So I was like, well, what does that mean?
Because we didn't know she died.
So we were like, I was thinking, does that mean she's disgraced herself?
She was going out with Dodi Al-Fayed.
I didn't know what it was about.
So anyway, we find out that she's died and we're like, oh yeah, okay, well, that's sad.
Sad for her kids, whatever.
And then We did our day in Paris, we got on the flight on the way back and then we were looking through all the, you get the free papers on the flights at those times, so you could daily mail, they'll express and have a map of what happened and where she was.
And my mate's going like, this is where we were last night, that's what happened, that was that crash.
So we were there exactly the right time and all that and we were on the bridge when the crash actually happened.
And he argues that he saw a car come out of the bridge.
I wasn't paying attention, but he was really interested in it for some reason.
He argues that a car came out from under the bridge and sped off.
And then I was home for a couple of days.
We, like I say, we hadn't been hypnotised by the television, so we weren't that bothered.
It was just like another famous person has died, it's a bit sad for them and for the family.
And then we saw this, everybody was out on the streets throwing bouquets into the path of the cars and the funeral cortege.
And that was my first awareness of sort of like, or one of my first, of this mad hypnosis that the television can do, because I knew that we had the same kind of outlook as most people and we weren't bothered.
I was waiting for you to tell me that you'd gone into the tunnel and you'd seen things.
Obviously, knowing what we know now, I would have been down there in a flash.
But we didn't have phone cameras either at that time.
And you'd be dead, Francis.
They wouldn't have let you go down there.
But the thing is, in Europe, when you go around Europe for a month, all you hear is car horns in the big cities, because they're on the horns all the time.
But this car horn was just continuous.
And we found out later, I think it might have been the chauffeur had landed on it, or his head was on it, or something.
So it was held down.
But it wasn't unusual to hear car horns.
So we didn't know what was going on in the tunnel.
We didn't know what happened.
But yeah, I could have gone down and had a look.
Poor old Oury Paul, who's forever Known to history as a kind of drunk.
I don't think he was even a drunk.
I think there's so many lies that are told.
But it's weird hearing myself talking this way because like five years ago or even, you know, I got married on the day that she died or was she killed in the small house?
I don't know.
But all I know is that when I was sort of ringing around my guests For a sort of post-mortem, you know, hoping they'd say, you know, yeah, great wedding.
They'd say, have you heard?
Diana's dead.
So it kind of, it kind of rained slightly on my parade, on that warm glow I was feeling after getting married.
We were talking before we started recording on which stuff you believe and which stuff you don't.
I mentioned Flat Earth and the only reason I'm mentioning Flat Earth now, I don't want it to become a sort of obsession of mine, but I did a podcast with John Hamer.
Who has written books on the falsification of history and the falsification of science.
And one of the many topics he's covered is Flat Earth.
So we gave Flat Earth a run around.
And what interests me is the bitterness and extremity of the outrage you get when you raise the Flat Earth topic.
Which surprises me because, for example, in another week I did a podcast with Richard D. Hall talking about how the Manchester Arena bombing was fake.
People have done lots of podcasts about 9-11 and stuff and, you know, evolutionary theory being bunk.
I don't understand why believing that we've been lied to about the shape of the world
Is any worse than, say, imagining that the American state contrived the destruction of the Twin Towers, or that false flag operations regularly happen around the world to blacken Islam and cause dissent, but actually these operations are carried out by the three-letter agencies?
Why do you think it is that Flat Earth Upsets people so much.
Why are they so wedded to the idea that we live on a globe?
Well, I think that part of the reason would be that you don't want to discredit all the other subjects.
So, if you've got a solid scientific basis for saying that 9-11 occurred in the way that it did or that the lockdowns were, you know, designed to kill people or they were unjustified or that the vaccinations are either dangerous or the way to being an instrument of depopulation.
And if you can back that up, If you can back that up, then tackling a subject like flat Earth to some people's mind undermines it because we associate it, and we're conditioned to associate it, with absolute raving... that's your classic case of the science denier in conventional paradigm, is that you say, oh these people, you're like one of these people who think the Earth is flat.
And maybe it's got that connotation.
Yes, but Francis, you've put your finger on it.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
This is conditioning.
Flat Earth has been set up as this thing.
You call somebody a flat earther in the same way you'd call them a tinfoil hat lunatic or a, I don't know, a denier, a Holocaust denier.
All these terms have been set out Created by our controllers, our dark overlords, as part of the PSYOP to tell us you cannot go there.
And it seems to me that anyone on our side of the argument has to be prepared for the possibility that everything they've been told about everything is wrong.
There should be no topic that is off limits.
And it seems to me that certain people on our sides of our argument have Either elected themselves gatekeepers whereby they are they are the people who decide which you're allowed to believe in which you're not allowed to believe in or which is my alternative which is the one I find more credible that our side has been
Is brimming with people who are actually working for the enemy and are deliberately seeding Flat Earth as an absolute no-no.
I'm not expressing myself very well, but I find there's something dishonest, intellectually dishonest about the people on our side who tell us that Flat Earth You can't go there.
It's wrong.
It's there to discredit us.
It seems to me... Why?
Who made that rule?
Why should it be any different from any of the other conspiracies that we know are real?
So let me, if I can just preface my answer with the idea that I read recently, I go back and have a look at things.
And one of the things I was looking at was 1984 by George Orwell.
And in that book, at the end, Winston Smith gets to meet the big boss.
And I'm just checking, can you still hear me at the moment?
Yeah, I can hear.
Okay, so he goes to meet the big boss at the end of 1984 and I forget the name of the boss now, but Winston Smith is in this room and he's been discovered.
He's been discovered that he's not been behaving appropriately and having an honest conversation, a frank conversation about the situation and how it works.
And he says something like, who do you think put the stars in the sky?
And Winston Smith says, they're millions of miles away and so on.
And the boss says, well, They're not.
They're just local.
They're in a... Some words to that effect.
And Winston Smith says, well, that's not true.
We can prove that.
And the key line is that the boss says, do you really think it's beyond us to create two plausible models to explain the system?
If we choose them to be close, they're close.
If we choose them to be a million miles away, they're a million miles away.
And I think that people have to just have a think about that and reflect on that.
And also many people in our circles ...would recognise without any argument that the moon landings were faked, okay?
Now, you then have to question, why did they do that?
Now, you can argue it was a financial reason, like people argue the vaccines and the lockdowns were about finance and that they were trying to, you know, they'd make money out of people's ill health.
And NASA makes, I don't know what it was, it used to be some ridiculous figure, like 50 million a day used to be given to NASA.
So you could argue it a financial argument.
But you could also argue that one of the reasons for the moon landing was because it cemented in people's mind that we saw the globe from space.
That could have been the whole purpose of it and then that puts us in a universe.
So again, if you have these two different paradigms and we just discuss the paradigms without attaching ourselves to either one at the moment.
You have a flat earth and you have the universe and we're... So in the universe, in the conventional view, we're this We are specks of dust upon a speck of dust in an infinite... So our lives are completely meaningless, purposeless.
You can be as nihilistic as you want.
There's just no purpose to life.
You're just spinning through the galaxies and one day you'll be nothing.
You'll go back to being dust and nobody cares about you.
Life has no purpose whatsoever, no meaning and that's the end of you.
The other one, the other one, Flat Earth.
Flat Earth means that you are one of the few select people in existence, in the only realm in existence, fight, and everything you do is of import, and that you are engaged in a, maybe a, given what we know, in a struggle of good and evil, and you are on the front lines, and you happen to be physically incarnated in this realm, and you're one of few soldiers who are on the ground at this moment.
And that's complete, everything you do matters.
Now, some people say to you, oh, Francis, that's a bit twee, like, oh, you know, that maybe, why does it matter anymore if you're on a flat earth and you're going to die anyway and turn back to dust?
And they could argue the toss about that a little bit, but certainly there's, I think there's an element where if the universe is infinite, you're less important than if you're in a finite realm and you're inside a dome and a flat earth.
Did you see, by the way, just to interrupt you, did you see the Gene Rosenberry interviews?
No.
Oh, okay.
On Twitter just recently, they released excerpts from an interview that Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, gave clearly in his last years.
He looks quite old and doddery.
And he was singing the praises of Satan.
And very matter-of-fact about it, saying that he'd learned a lot from Satan, and among the things that Satan had taught him was how to lie, which was very effective in helping him to lie to his wife.
And he was just presenting Satan as a good thing.
And this got me thinking.
Probably no TV series did more to imprint space, the notion of space and space travel and the public imagination as Star Trek.
I mean, it's the final frontier.
We know all these phrases that have entered our and so many of the technologies have since become either real or embedded in science fiction.
And If the guy who created Star Trek was a Satanist, what does that say about what we believe about space?
Well, I think also Star Wars would fall into that category and people like George Lucas and Steven Spielberg and then if you look at popular culture some more, the Truman Show, what happens in the Truman Show is Jim Carrey discovers he's living in a world of fakery and eventually finds his way to the boundaries of his realm, which where the water ends, where the ocean ends, there's like a wall.
I think if you If you go, yeah, maybe.
I mean, there's also weird anomalies like, for example, the Antarctic Treaty.
So you've got all these competing nations who apparently go to world wars with each other or, like, fight in various ways.
Maybe they've not gone to world wars since they signed the Antarctic Treaty, but there's certainly been conflicts.
And they all recognise that they're not going to dominate Antarctica, despite it being supposedly mineral rich and resource rich.
And that's never seemed to have stopped a nation like the United States wanting to colonise anywhere or to conquer or wage wars of empire anywhere.
So there are strange anomalies going on in that way.
Anyway, yeah, it's a tricky one.
I don't know how far you got of that but I was just saying it's very unusual that countries should all agree on something like that and to disregard this resource rich land when they seem to grab resources everywhere else and do it at the expense of millions of lives if need be.
But there's something else I would like to throw in as well in the sense that Things that we can agree on, I think, for your audience, most of them will be open to this, is that the idea that the moon landings were fake and then so since the last moon landings, I think it was 69, 70, 71, something like this, since the last moon landings, when they called the moon on a landline telephone and this kind of thing, They lost all the technology and so on.
Since that time, they've never been out of low Earth orbit.
That says something to me.
they've never been out of low earth orbit so i i think um and and that sort of says something to me like why can't they get out of there like it's an interesting question why Why can't they get out?
That's not just me saying that.
NASA actively invites suggestions from academics and school children and students as to how they can get out of low-Earth orbit and how they can get past what they call the Van Allen belts and how they can get through the radiation sheet.
They acknowledge that they can't do it.
You can see this on videos and you can see it on their website.
They invite suggestions.
As to how they can shield their spacecraft.
And there's some people who suggest that the height of the Low Earth Orbit is the same as the height of the dome, and that's the problem.
Well, like in The Simpsons.
The Simpsons movie.
When Springfield gets covered by... they tell us, I mean, we know that Matt Greening is a 33rd degree Freemason, which is why you get so many clues and predictions like Trump President in The Simpsons.
I'm sure that the Springfield Dome was a sort of simulacrum of the firmament.
Yeah, quite possibly.
I mean, I think if you mention Trump, but Trump is also the figure on whom, do you know in Back to the Future films where, I don't know if you're familiar with the, I think it's a trilogy, but they, in the Back to the Future films, in one of them, an almanac of all the sporting events from modern times gets left in 1955.
So it gets found by the bad character who's Biff, And Biff finds it and bets on all the sporting events and he becomes very rich and very powerful and they modelled his character When he's the powerful and he becomes president because he's got all this money and wealth and he modeled his character on Donald Trump and that's acknowledged, right?
And so, but not only that, the world in which Biff wins feels very much like the world in which we live now, where everything is corrupted.
Every institution, whether it's the local councils, the police, the media, and everything is dissolute and immoral.
And again, like you say, there is this programming, this conditioning, or these hints, or these illusions.
However you want to perceive it, they put things in their media where there's either an in-joke or an output of the reality that they want us to engage with.
Yeah, which is why I think you and I are on the same page on this one.
And for me it's a no-brainer.
That what is happening in the world is not simply to do with the material world.
That it's a reflection of what's happening on a supernatural level.
And because these coincidences are not really coincidences, are they?
They are evidence of a, well, I suppose what you might describe as a diabolical genius.
That no man could create the world we live in.
That ultimately, it's the devil pulling the strings, isn't it?
And the devil is real.
Well, I think that at the very least, right, so the very least, we can recognise... So, there's a few things to say.
I just want to finish off one point from the Flat Earth and I'll come back to this one about the devil, right?
Oh, please do.
When we were talking about... Because people do have a problem with Flat Earth and it's very emotive and, like you say, they kick off about it and say, oh, you're an idiot, how can you believe that?
You know, it's wrecking all your good work.
Yeah.
So, if you... But it's worthy of consideration for this reason, I would say.
When you look at what happened in March 2020, they told you there was a pandemic.
Now you went outside, as I did, and carried on, and there was people working on construction sites still, and nobody was dropping dead in the streets.
There was none of these people dropping dead in the streets like they were supposedly happening in China.
So you couldn't see a pandemic anywhere.
You couldn't see it anywhere.
It didn't hit anybody, and there was no such thing as a pandemic in terms of your lived experience.
There was only a pandemic if you turned on the screen, which is kind of why the Amish didn't have a pandemic, you know, because they didn't have a TV and they didn't pay any attention to it.
Yeah.
So if you recognize that, then you start to think, well, and then people start to argue, oh, COVID's not real.
And when you look at the evidence, there's very little evidence that COVID's real.
And then when you go behind that, you think, well, there's actually very little evidence that viruses are a thing in terms of an agent of transmission of disease, that they don't seem to do that either.
They're probably exosomes, which are your body expelling stuff.
So they're there when there's something wrong with you, but they don't cause anything.
They're not a causative agent of illness.
So then you've got this whole paradigm, which is a medical paradigm, and the same thing's happened with vaccines.
Oh, everyone's got to get the vaccines.
And once you explore the paradigm, it just crumbles to dust in your hands as soon as you explore it.
So people who, and this is actually with or without Flat Earth or with or without virology, this is something that you'll experience.
You might have done loads and loads of research on the subject, and somebody has done nothing other than regurgitate the official line that they've never considered or even looked into or questioned ever.
And they'll think their opinions are of the same weight as yours.
And that's not to be arrogant.
If you've got a child of four years old and they're telling you how to spell a word and it's not spelled that way, there is a possibility that you've done more learning and you'll have superior knowledge.
All opinions are not equal, so that's one thing.
But also the point I was trying to drive at there in relation to Flat Earth is that given that so many of these paradigms are founded on so little and we believe them without examination, That's the definition of ignorance, isn't it?
To dismiss something without examination.
So at the very least, given the other lies that we've been told, we should examine it.
So then we come to your question about the devil.
If we acknowledge that there's a force at work where they are prepared to, and can, lock us in our homes, and can control the media, and they do seem to put their storylines into the soap operas, and into the movies, and into the publishing houses, Then it's an all-pervasive force, right, throughout the world.
So then you think, okay, so they've got all that power already.
They have these, what in Roald Dahl's book, The Witches, which I noticed recently being played at the National Theatre, he's saying the magic money printing machine, they actually have one, it's the Federal Reserve or the Bank of England, they've got their magic money printing machine.
And if they have that, they've got all the money they want.
So then why are they using their money, like in Roald Dahl's book, to buy up all the shops and feed us poison?
So you think, what is the overarching philosophy that would... You or I probably wouldn't do that.
If we had all the money, all the yachts, all the villas, we might get bored.
We might start climbing mountains or doing some expeditions just to make life, you know, risky again.
But There's obviously the thing where you could say, like, if you had psychopaths in charge, they just want people out of the way.
It's the same way we might want people out of the way if we're stuck in a traffic jam.
You think, oh, why have we got all these people in the way?
Like, what are they all going to?
You know, and if you had the power to do something about it, you might want to depopulate.
But you have to explore, is it anything more than that?
Is there a philosophy?
And when you do explore that, there is lots of evidence to suggest that they are part of a satanic cult.
Right?
And there are books written about this, whether it's the Sabbatean Frankists and how they've infiltrated Freemasonry and the Catholic Church and so on.
So then when you think about it, if that happens to be true and if these people worship the devil and they seem to know an awful lot more than us about the way the world works because they use that knowledge to manipulate us and to play with our minds, with the psychology and with their distortion which we now accept the distortion of the medical paradigm, the distortion of every other paradigm that we can think of.
Firstly, why wouldn't they distort a paradigm of the flat Earth?
And why is the...
There's an answer to this question.
There is definitely an assault on Christianity and religion.
And you could say that assault is occurring because Christianity and religion have been a bulwark to the kind of communist agendas, or if that's the right word, whether it's just, you know, simple raising of standards to the floor, you know, like the eradication of wealth and the homogenization of, you know, the you will owe nothing and be happy kind of thing.
Religion has been a bulwark against that.
And every soul matters and that kind of thing.
So you could say it's just really pragmatic and they're getting rid of Christianity from that, but it still doesn't explain the whole heap of satanic symbolism and the sense and the evidence for these people being in that cult.
And if they do believe that, then a conclusion you could draw is that if Satan is real and that's what those people believe, then there is the possibility that God is real and it becomes more Kind of more prominent, more to the fore, when you look at it in that way.
Yes.
Yes.
Or you could put it another way.
You could say, you may not believe in God, but the people who run the world do, because that's why they consider him such a threat to their plans.
It doesn't mean a no-brainer.
When you mentioned before David Icke, so everybody, so if you think about what is happening here, so I'll give another context.
Again, I try to start with things that people can agree with because, you know, again, religion and God is kind of one of those knee-jerk things where people kick it out because, and that's part of our conditioning as well, for the reasons I've just given.
But if you listen to Yuval Noah Harari, who operates as kind of a high priest for the World Economic Forum, espousing their philosophies and theologies, If you listen to him, what he actually says, it goes like this.
You can be as gods.
You can have knowledge.
We can create the world in our image.
He basically gives the three promises of the snake in the Garden of Eden and he's on video doing that.
I can provide the link so I can show him doing it.
He does this all the time and we can be better than gods.
We can go further.
He says things like there's no more need for the God of the Bible.
There's no more need for free will.
They couldn't be more explicit about what they are doing in terms of throwing out at least the old Christian philosophies.
But then you have to question why are they so explicit?
These guys are about progress and about science and they're about The, you know, the advancement of humanity.
Why are they always going on about God and about prominence and competing with God and so on?
And if you think about Net Zero, I heard recently Alex Williams speaking to Thinking Slowfella, whose name I've just escaped me.
He's your friend, isn't he?
What's his name?
Alex.
Thinking Slowfan?
Alex Freel.
Alex said, He's noticed that net zero is the antithesis of Genesis in the Bible because man is given dominion over the world and yet in net zero the environment is given dominion over man and so everything is inverted all the time and that's why when you listen to people like David Icke, the fact that he
He aligns himself with this view, which is this Gnostic view, which seems to have taken over Freemasonry or be part of Freemasonry.
This Gnostic view that we are living in a matrix, a slave planet that we need to escape from.
It's not a beautiful creation with lovely babies and butterflies and ocean views and horizon sunsets and things like this.
It's this dreadful place where there's nothing but misery and there's no way out.
This is what David Icke's saying, and so whether he's wittingly or unwittingly aligning himself, I can't answer that question.
But I can just say that it's not helpful to align yourself with the kind of worldview that they give, which is, as you've mentioned before, it's the Council of Despair, right?
We're not fighting to survive in a matrix.
We're fighting to survive in a paradise, an even paradise, that has been taken over and We've been dislocated from and it wouldn't take too much for us to turf a few of these monkeys out and we'd have it back.
Francis, I so agree with that point.
It's such a good point.
I think we should end on that one because I don't even know whether this is recorded or not because of the technical glitches we've had with my internet.
But I'm thinking let's not take any risks.
We'll have you back on the podcast because you talk a lot of sense, in my view.
And thank you for... Yeah, well, thank you for the work you've done, you know, for the going out on the streets and trying to confront hostile people and swing them around.
No, thank you.
I've learned a lot from your podcast, so it's been good.
Yeah, I appreciate them as well.
Well, look, I tell you what, it is completely a learning experience for me.
I hate to use a cliche like learning experience, but I don't know everything, but I definitely know a bit more than I did three years ago, and my views are shifting all the time.
I mean, you mentioned you were down the 9-11 rabbit hole when Covid, as we've been persuaded to call it, broke out.
I was still at the phase where when the Italian, when people started dying en masse in Italian hospitals, I was thinking, oh, this is really serious.
Maybe I should worry.
And there was a brief period for about, before the hysteria, I was ahead of the hysteria.
I was telling my family, look, prepare for this terrible The pandemic we're going to have and let's take precautions and stuff.
It didn't take me long to get over it because I can date it because I was at the first anti-lockdown rally in the park and almost got arrested.
So I didn't last long, but nevertheless, that's how far I've come.
I wasn't as clear in my Christian understanding of the world as I am now.
For me, it's crystal clear now.
I don't have any doubts on that score.
But yeah, thank you for being a fellow passenger on my journey.
The only thing I would say about that is I always retain an open mind because if we were certain before lockdown of our views, and most of us did think we were pretty certain, then to go to absolute certainty the other way without, there's always the possibility but I mean it's very difficult to see it any other way given what we've just experienced.
Yeah, but Francis, we've really messed up big time if it turns out that God isn't as presented to us in the Bible and that Jesus wasn't his only son that he sent to die for our sins.
We are in big shit because we've backed the wrong team, haven't we?
Basically.
We've just got it all wrong.
We've fallen for that myth.
And you do get people on our side saying this.
They say, you know, religion, it's just like it's another cult.
Yeah, I mean, I think I just have I think I was brought up a Catholic, so it's very different for me to disentangle.
I was brought up with Christianity and the Bible and all that stuff, so it's very difficult for me to disentangle what I've been, you know, what's been inculcated into me as opposed to what I actually think.
But it just seems to be a framework that works for the world and also when you do live well as you're kind of instructed, things go right for you.
That's as good as anything we can do.
We have to basically... They do!
In my sense at the moment.
Yeah.
My sense is that we just have to... That is our secret.
I mean... It's just have to take every day as a time, like an alcoholic at the moment.
Yeah, I'm with you there.
No, but you... Since you raise it, I think that the enemy, the Illuminati, They've worked out this deal where if you sacrifice children to the devil and if you do evil, you get kind of rewarded by the devil and his forces.
But we Christians have the same experience, but without the sacrificing children and without doing bad things.
We do daily, pretty much, experience the love of God, which is kind of nice.
And those people who do the sacrifices or who seem to be brought into the cult, they seem, some of them don't make it.
Some of them get eaten from the inside.
And you see like, you know, these young people who commit suicide in the, you know, in the music industry or the pop industry, or you see people who are dissolute or addicted, or sometimes I think it eats them.
I do think that I see, I watch them sometimes.
I think, is that, did they get like that because they had to do that?
I always wonder.
You can't know for sure unless you know the individual, but anyway.
Yeah, 27 is the cut-off year.
Anyway, Francis O'Neill, thank you very much for being on the Deling Pod.
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Anything you want to plug, Francis?
Your Substack, for example.
Yeah, my Substack is something like Francis O'Neill's Substack, whatever it is.
So yeah, that'll do me.
I'll put a link at the bottom.
Anyway, I hope to see you again soon Francis and keep painting nice pictures using fine brushwork and observation and perspective and shading.
Adding beauty to the world, that's what we're doing.
