Sean Stone is a filmmaker, media host, author, actor, poet, speaker, and above all, truth-seeker and spiritual activist. His website is http://www.Seanstone.info
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Welcome to The Deling Pod with me, James Delingpole.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but look who I've got.
I've got Sean Stone.
Sean, welcome to The Deling Pod.
I'm famous for not doing my research and today I've broken the rule by looking at your two and a half hour film, The Best Kept Secret.
Where you make some pretty sort of tasty claims, well I call them claims, I mean I totally believe them, that the world is riddled with Satanism apart from anything else.
I was just going to ask you, this is an area, whenever I've done podcasts on this subject, I've always felt like I'm treading into an area where a lot of people feel really uncomfortable and I think a lot of people don't even want to know that this stuff goes on.
Did you find that when you were making it?
No, I don't.
I mean, I was honestly, I started making this documentary, you could say, docuseries in 2013, 14, because that's when I started doing the Buzzsaw interview program, which started on the Lip TV and ended up going to Gaia for a few seasons as well.
And that's where the majority of the content You know, from this docuseries came from those interviews, and they were obviously new interviews that were done in 2020, but these, you know, these interviews regarding, it's more than Satanism.
I mean, it's really, it's an overall control apparatus.
Let's say how, you know, what is the ideology of this dark cabal?
That's why I wanted to focus on, you know, the dark side of the cabal.
How they see the world, how they manipulate humanity, using these inversions, right?
So the fundamentals of Satanism, as Anton LaVey sort of expresses, and he's the Church of Satan founder, was the inversion.
You know, almost like Alice in Wonderland, right?
Up is down, left is right, black is white.
It kept people so confused, you know, that freedom is slavery.
And there's, you know, from their perspective, there's truth to it, but the main point is that It's works with inversions, right?
Like, take the cross and invert it.
Take, you know, take God and worship the devil.
So these inversions are an important aspect of satanic philosophy.
And then a lot of people that are satanic don't even necessarily think of themselves as satanic.
That was also, you know, part of what I was trying to convey and, you know, and maybe not clearly, but it's the idea that You know, they see everything as materialism, right?
That's what the ideology of, you know, whether it's Darwinism, whether it's a worship of power and money, whether it's the idea that the human is just a pile of computer that has no spirit, that's just programmable.
That's all satanic philosophy, because it's disconnected from a higher power.
So there's almost like two breeds of satanists.
Those that understand the spiritual side, and you could say they're more occult.
They're interested in the occult powers, right, of the dark side and worshipping.
And then you have the satanists who are just materialists and are completely devoid of soul, devoid of spirit, disconnected from spirit.
I've got to ask you, Sean, you presumably grew up, did you grow up in Hollywood?
Because your dad is Oliver Stone.
Hollywood's a vague word, so I don't know how you mean it.
Well, did you grow up in the movie making area of California, say?
I mean, you must have hung out with Hollywood actors and stuff and directors.
Not necessarily, no.
I mean, I didn't grow up particularly, like, Around the industry, I grew up more in the suburbs, more, you know, in a more suburban, you could say like the more suburban middle class lifestyle, you know, private school.
And then, you know, I would I would visit the film sets, especially when I was young, we traveled, we, you know, I was I was in a couple of them.
But that was when I was younger.
By the time I was in my teens, I really wasn't Like between, like 13 was like the last set I visited.
I didn't work on it, just any given Sunday, which was when I was 13.
And then I was basically in high school that whole time period until Alexander, which I then worked on that film.
But, um, no, I didn't.
So I wouldn't say I grew up in Hollywood in that sense.
I just, the reason I'm asking this is, is, um, this, this friend of mine who is now dead, um, But he was a great guy.
Jonathan Marsley spent time living in LA and befriended a few Hollywood types, you know, directors.
I think even James Cameron, I think he spent some time working bizarrely at Oprah Winfrey's house because he was a painter and rich people would commission him to do like these elaborate portraits of their houses with their gardens.
Anyway, so he got to know the scene a bit and people said to him, I think James Cameron said to him strangely, I would never let my kids go anywhere near that world because it is so riddled with evil.
And I was wondering whether you'd got a taste of that?
The machine, I mean, as an industry, I'm sure it's riddled with evil.
I mean, there's definitely...
Look, there's a lot of darkness that gets produced by Hollywood, by the mentality of the people that approve these films.
You could say the most obvious evil is the hedonism, right?
You could say the most obvious evil is the hedonism.
Not even talking about the actual, potentially satanic parties and things like that that can go on.
It's just like the actual hedonism of the place.
You feel, you know, you feel it.
You feel it in Hollywood and L.A.
It's based in ego.
It's ego driven.
It's people are, you know, basically live and die by their by their presumed values, you know, in terms of market, in terms of attention seeking, you know, it's like a glorified high school.
And and then, you know, the obviously the ego drives people to do crazy things.
That's why it's so clear that People are, how do you say, they tend to be less than ethical when it comes to... I get that, but I think most people could fully take on board the notion that...
Sorry?
I said the Harvey Weinstein is a good example, right?
Of someone who was a complete pirate.
Yeah, okay, so that's where it crosses from hedonism into something darker.
But I was going to ask you, like, people are used by now to the idea that Hollywood stars are spoilt, they have their trailers, they have these riders, they have all sorts of... they're difficult, they like toys, they like... yeah, they're spoilt.
We get all that, but I think there's an order of difference between hedonism And what I've started to learn in the last two or three years about, OK, what they euphemistically call pizza parties and the use of stuff like adrenochrome.
You've mentioned it in your documentary, this drug which is extracted from children at the moment of extreme terror before their death.
And you've got Hollywood stars taking this stuff.
They must know where it comes from.
It's hardly an open, it's hardly a secret.
Now this is, this is, this is dark, dark, dark.
This is not, not good.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know who takes it.
I mean, we've obviously we, we, we have allegations.
We look at things, we try to find evidence, but, um, you know, the, the, the point I did in the documentary was I pointed to where did, where did it crop up, you know, in, in, um, In recent memory was Hunter S. Thompson's book originally in the film Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
And Thompson basically is saying he was given Adrena Crohn by his lawyer, I think.
And obviously Hunter Thompson was someone that was allegedly at the Bohemian Grove and he allegedly shot Snuff.
I mean, it's not hard to fathom that he would do crazy things like this, given his resume, right?
I mean, you understand this guy did get on, you know, he was on Air Force One, right?
Interviewing, and he got access, he got an opportunity to interview Nixon briefly, and you know, he did have connections in different circles, right?
And he was just known to be a wild man, and who knows?
He could have been involved in some of these things.
I'm just saying that... Well, you're safe, Sean, because you don't even need to say allegedly, because he's well dead now, isn't he?
He's not going to come and get you.
There's nothing to allege.
I mean, he put it in his book and he put it in the movie, so it wasn't... I mean, it wasn't like... This wasn't an allegation.
This was literally his... This was his choice of putting... Oh, sure.
...into a story.
So... Sure.
Is that about being safe or not safe?
I mean, again, I don't have personal knowledge of...
Of going, you know, of who does adrenochrome and stuff.
I never came across it personally until I heard about it basically from this one young guy who's not even a celebrity or anything, just a young writer in Hollywood who was like trying to make it.
And he had written into a story this whole thing about the reptilians, which we get into in the story, the reptilian being Different beings, you could say, almost like extra dimensional that, you know, have been alleged to and make sense.
You know, they have been part of this, this, this story of humanity for, for since the beginning.
Um, it's, you know, I think why it correlates to all the religions they talk about, you know, the devils and things looking like serpents or looking like reptiles or dragons.
Um, so we get into that in the series, but this one young writer had written a script that was like, um, These reptilians feed on the adrenochrome of not just children, by the way.
The adrenochrome is something you create just from your fear state.
And so it wasn't just children.
It was like saying that they feed on adrenochrome.
I think children's adrenochrome is more pure.
I think that's what you're when you're saying it's from children.
I mean, it's the more purified version, as I understand it, like kids, you know, because they're younger, they're more vital, right?
All of their Emissions are going to be more pure, you know, more pure than, than as you get older, right?
That's the whole point of, as we age, we don't, we don't reproduce as well, you know, our cell replication, everything, right?
Slows down.
So, um, yeah, that's what the, you know, the adrenochrome can come from anyone in a fear state.
And this guy wrote that into a script.
So it was just, it was interesting because he was kind of like, you know, a guy who, I don't know where he got that from.
I don't know if he was ever at A party or if you just know it spiritually because a lot of this stuff is is it's so multidimensional.
That's why the series gets into that.
Sometimes you know things just because you have a multidimensional awareness.
You have a spiritual awareness.
You have intuition.
Sometimes you get hey, there's something evil here.
You may not specifically even see it.
You just know it.
And that's what I'm that's what I wanted to get to with the series.
And that's where I believe we're moving towards in general is an intuitive knowing.
Rather than a, hey, what can you prove, you know, with, with, with, with the physical world, it's like, sometimes you just know a space is dark, and you don't have to, you don't even have to go into the whole history to know it.
I was thinking Monsters Inc.
is basically about adrenochrome.
Isn't it?
I mean, again, I think that's there.
There's a correlation.
It makes sense.
You know, you look at the, you look at the energy of it.
And it does seem to imply that now.
Again, I mean, we don't know unless there's evidence to me that says the writer was intending that.
Sometimes you are intuitively writing something or saying something.
No, it's true.
The truth is that we as creators can intuit a lot that you can actually, how do you say, that we intuit, we create, we draw upon many things.
You know, I don't know that the writers necessarily knew specifically it was about adrenochrome.
It's possible.
Now, it doesn't mean that they didn't.
All I'm saying is that I would like evidence to know who they are and what the evidence is.
They're maybe part of, you know, are they higher level masons?
Are they part of the satanic club?
I mean, I don't know.
I'm just saying this is, I would like evidence to go with it.
You've got to be careful.
I agree, Sean.
But I mean, you're familiar with the concept of revelation of the method.
Which is what Hollywood does.
Yes, but it tells the truth.
But to me, you have to continue the investigation.
So intuitively, you can be you can be correct.
As I said, you can intuitively know like, okay, there's something off here, this feels wrong.
But if you want to continue the investigation, then okay, then you what you do is you flag it, you flag it, you say, okay, who wrote this script?
Okay, what else did they write?
Okay, what does that indicate?
Okay, that you understand you start you start to then you have to go deeper, right in the investigation to start to then diagram it and say, okay, that indicates these people know, you know, they're part of this, right?
And then you can you can follow them.
As their career goes and see how they're, you know, what is their career go?
Does their career continue to rise?
Did they ever hit hit walls?
You know, you have to continue your investigation if you care.
I'm saying it's interesting to continue to investigate these things because we learn through like, you know, someone, let's say, um, who gets to a place in their career where they crash, right?
Did they make a deal that essentially has come due, right?
Did they energetically burn out?
They said, I can't take it anymore.
You know, I'm saying you have to continue the investigation here.
Right, yeah.
Well, do you not feel that the ones who do well are generally the ones who've signed the pact?
No, I don't think that's simple because I mean my dad did well.
I don't know that he signed a pact.
I don't know that he did it physically.
Sometimes you do spiritually.
That's what I'm trying to get at.
People spiritually How do you say?
We have spirit.
There's destiny.
Napoleon, the new film Napoleon talks about that.
It doesn't quote one of his best quotes, which is when my destiny is finished, I will basically burn out like a match.
I mean, it's like there's a destiny.
People feel it.
Napoleon talks about like he knew his destiny.
He felt his destiny, right?
Maybe he communed with it in Egypt.
They didn't cover that in the film, which was really silly that they did this whole thing where they have a mummy sitting there in the Great Pyramid as though They were found a mummy in the Great Pyramid, which is nonsense.
They know it's nonsense.
They're pushing that propaganda that people were buried in pyramids.
They weren't there for physical burials.
They were there for spiritual initiation and transcendence.
But Napoleon spent the night in the Great Pyramid, and apparently when he came out, he was shaken, and he said he'll never talk about what happened there.
That would have been a powerful moment of him connecting to his destiny, for example.
So when I say people have destiny, they know it, like they may say, hey, listen, energetically, I'm willing to, you can know these things, right?
I would be willing to sacrifice my firstborn for this.
You know, is that what happened to Coppola?
Did he, you know, his firstborn son died?
I mean, a lot of people wonder.
There was Huge amount of success that he experienced to that point and he was devastated.
He never was the same after that, right?
Never made a film quite the same.
I mean, Dracula is probably like his last big movie, right?
But that took about 10 years from the point of his son dying.
So, and also Coppola family, there's all kinds of, you know, intuitive things like why Dracula?
Why wine?
You know, vampirism.
You know, so you, as I say, you intuitively look at these things and you start to get a sense of it.
But it doesn't mean that I have evidence or proof.
I just, it's an intuition.
No, well, I'm sensing that you... and I don't blame you, by the way, for this, Sean.
I'm sensing a degree of caution.
You're kind of saying stuff and not saying it, which is exactly what I'd be doing in your position.
Because actually, ultimately, this stuff is not... I mean, look at what happened to Isaac Capi.
You know, people who talk about this stuff too directly get offed.
Don't they?
It's not that.
It's not about getting offed.
I have no concern about getting offed.
I have to be careful with my words because I don't like to speak untruth.
I don't like to make allegations that I can't back up.
I don't like to slander people.
In general, I don't like to slander people in general.
It's just my word, you know, my word is my action.
Sure, just give me about one second.
My lighting has gone haywire.
I'm just going to change the batteries.
This is very unprofessional of me.
Oh.
Oh.
Yeah, as a professional movie maker, you must be appalled by incidents like this.
You know, where is my lighting crew?
Why can't they get it right?
But yeah, no, I totally agree that it really is important to, when you're going to talk about stuff, you've got to say what is provable.
At the same time, we're in a realm Well, a lot of this stuff, I mean, it's obviously these guys are going to keep it secret.
I mean, you talk about some of the things in your in your documentary.
You talk about these child trafficking sort of paedophile boy services or whatever, servicing people really high up in Washington, possibly even going right up to the up to the president, but certainly there was a head of CIA implicated, all sorts of stuff.
Well, I mean these people are going to have a vested interest in keeping this stuff secret.
So, you know, it's going to be quite difficult proving any of this stuff.
But there's a lot of evidence already that's been done.
I mean, I didn't make this allegation.
I didn't make these charges.
These were brought, you know, in the late 80s into the early 90s.
And, you know, multiple books have been written on the subject.
Do you remember The Franklin Scandal?
Oh, sure.
And people have investigated.
Nick Bryant is a great researcher who did a very compelling book.
And before him, it was John DeCamp.
I believe.
So I just go into that investigation and talk about the findings, right, and the allegations.
Tell us briefly what happened, because for people who aren't, particularly in the UK, probably haven't heard of the Franklin scandal.
And it is quite scandalous, isn't it?
Well, it's really, I mean, it's, it's, it's bigger than Epstein in certain ways, because there's more allegations, you know, from the kids involved, like it connects to a larger, darker web that we actually know.
With Epstein, we only, we only know that he was surveilling people, that he was blackmailing, he was using blackmail.
We, we know that he was, you know, himself trafficking kids.
We don't have any evidence that he murdered kids.
So that's why I say this is, in many ways, bigger.
But they were very young, weren't they?
I mean, some of them.
Epstein?
Yeah.
To my knowledge, I don't know.
They were definitely well below the age of consent, one or two of them.
Oh no, the girls that Epstein liked were, to my recollection, about 12, 13, 14, in that range, generally.
Yeah, so, so, so as you know, when I'm saying murder, so Franklin scandal.
And again, I mean, the series kind of boils it down pretty well, because it's a huge subject, but What we know is that there was a guy, Larry King, who was high up.
I think he was even chairman at one point of the Republican National Committee.
He was like, kind of like, he was kind of like the, I guess, the Republican Obama, let's say, of the early 90s.
He could have had, he could have, he was kind of going for a political position.
Maybe they would have put him as, you know, maybe he would have been president, but, you know, they were kind of grooming him to, you know, to have like a big role in the Republican Party.
And in the mid, I think it was the mid-90s, it collapsed.
Basically, he had this deal with the Savings and Loan, I think it was.
No, it wasn't Savings and Loan.
It was one of the banks in Franklin, Nebraska, the middle of the country, that they basically were They were stealing.
They were, you know, they were stealing money from and it was a big scandal as far as, um, you know, the finance, the finances were concerned.
So as the feds start to investigate this thing, people are coming out of the woodwork saying, well, actually they, they're not just, um, involved in like, you know, financial shenanigans, they're actually trafficking kids.
And some of the kids actually were, you know, coming out with testimony and of what had happened.
Basically, they were being flown around the country.
Many kids, you know, that were, they were, you know, some of them who testified were talking about others that they had seen, right?
And they were being flown around the country to, you know, political events and then, you know, basically being asked to service different people, some of whom were politicians, others were just, you know, wealthy people.
And, um, and the kids also were saying that there was like,
Satanic rituals taking place that they saw you know murders things like this, so it was a huge scandal They got covered up as far as the kids they were charged with perjury there were some of them were like sentenced to jail One of them was a really interesting character because he also had like mind control Programming he had all kinds of indications of being a mind controlled with multiple personalities, and he said Michael Aquino who was a very famous Satanist head of this temple of set also very high in the military and
Also, you know, huge scandals alleged against him with the military base in San Francisco, which had similar allegations of child abuse.
So this guy pops up, Aquino pops up all over the documentary, or I should say the docuseries, but I think it's really, you know, the way the series puts it together is more powerful than the way I can explain it here.
Sure, but what you've got is you've got a very senior figure in the US military, Aquino, who also happens to be the head of a satanic church.
You've got people in the Nebraskan government
Involved in this child trafficking ring flying in kids for ritual murder ritual sacrifice and or you know sex slaves or whatever for high-level people in Washington and what happens the story is that the witnesses are closed down by the police members of the Nebraskan State Senate are
Basically sat on by the federal government, aren't they?
They're silenced.
Okay, so this happened in the 80s.
If it was silenced then, what do you think it says about now?
Do you reckon that it stopped then and it's never going to happen again?
Or do you think this just goes on as normal?
Well, the point is it has very similar blueprints to how Epstein operated, right?
I mean, you know, Epstein connects the financial world.
He's, you know, supposed to be a billionaire.
You know, he's kind of one of the Lady Rothschilds, was one of his benefactors.
And he's connected to all these major, you know, hedge fund and finance people like Leon Black.
And then he's also the lawyer, has the power of attorney for the What is his name?
Lex Wexner?
Yeah.
He sounds like Lex Luthor, doesn't he?
But he's probably not a nice guy.
Very, very.
I mean, obviously very connected people, very connected.
And you know, Epstein's obviously very connected to Israel.
He's connected to, you know, potentially Assad.
Certainly, you know, he claimed to be CIA at some points.
But you know, the point is he's in a nexus of Britain, Israel, U.S.
power structures, political, he's very close to the Clintons, you know, it's like political, financial, and corporate, you know.
And so, and then he's trafficking girls, and he's got this island that who knows what kind of debauchery, even murder could have taken place there, but the point is that we know these things continue because Epstein proves that these things continue.
Do you not think it's weird, Sean, actually?
I watched a Netflix documentary purporting to sort of blow the blid on what happened with Epstein and stuff.
And I noticed a similar problem with the way it was reported in the media.
To read the media coverage of Epstein, you would think that the worst thing that happened was that a 17-year-old girl was pimped out to Prince Andrew.
It seems to me that the not-so-bad things were presented to us, and all the really nasty, nasty, sordid death and seriously underage child stuff was very carefully concealed from us, the public.
Yeah, but I don't know that, I don't know that they, that they have the evidence that, that they don't have the evidence to say anything else.
That's, that's where I would... Well, because they wouldn't hear it.
The court, the court wouldn't hear it.
The court wouldn't name names, would it?
Well, I don't know about the court.
You mean Jelaine Maxwell?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The, the, the, the court case was, was basically... Well, sure.
I mean, the whole thing has just been kind of...
It's been a cover-up, right, from the moment that Epstein was suicided.
You know, whether he died or not, you know, I'm suspicious.
I would definitely suggest... If he was, yeah, quite.
What do you reckon?
Is he alive or dead?
He could have been easily removed.
I mean, I don't... I don't have any knowledge either way.
I don't... I don't... I don't know that it matters.
The point is that...
Someone has to have those tapes.
Someone has to have the evidence, right?
And that goes to FBI.
I mean, all the tapes, all the video surveillance, right?
Because that's the point.
Epstein taped himself, kind of like, you know, we could say like with Nixon, right?
It's like he taped himself.
He taped these, you know, his premises.
Where are those videos?
It's kind of, look, it's like the a laptop with Wiener, right?
Going back to the scandal with Wiener with the underage girl, right?
Where he was showing himself and then he had a laptop.
People said, apparently some of those police officers that saw it, like they said, they vomited.
It was horrible.
Like maybe it had smut, certainly had child porn, but maybe it had murder on there. - Or worse.
Do you think you inherited your curiosity from your dad?
Why do you think the Hunter Biden laptop took so long to come out?
And to this day, we still don't really know everything that's on it.
It's like this stuff gets covered up.
Yeah, well, absolutely.
Do you think do you think you inherited your curiosity from your from your dad?
Did he kind of bring you up to question everything?
You could say that.
I think that that's fair to say that, um, you know, he's got a curious spirit.
Um, I think that my curiosity goes, you know, deeper and I'm more open to the deeper dive, you know, into the occult, into the esoteric, the, you know, the UFOs, the supernatural, like all these things where he kind of is more, more about like, you know, current events in American history.
What do you mean?
He says to you, Sean, son, I think you're pushing it a bit too far.
What is this crazy stuff?
Yeah, I mean, a lot of it is out there to him.
But really, I think, oh, yeah, yeah, no, he doesn't.
He doesn't really.
He's never.
I remember reading about the Masons and things like this when I was in high school, I think, for the first time.
And he was kind of shrugged.
He was like, oh, yeah, yeah, the Masons, all that kind of stuff.
He didn't take it very seriously, I don't think.
Because he seems quite based to me.
I mean, he talks a lot of sense about Ukraine.
Now, that was an unpopular position.
I mean, now everyone's like, whatever.
I don't care about Ukraine anymore.
We've moved on.
But there was a time when he was really quite out there in terms of being outspoken.
He's brave.
As I said, he's in the material realm, he's outspoken.
He's into things, you know, that have to do with American policy, especially American foreign policy.
But he's not, I mean, he's not particularly like, he's not, yeah, I mean, obviously he did it, you know, he did some LSD and his, you know, some things, you know, things like that.
I mean, that's why he made the doors, right?
It's kind of indicative of that, of that aspect of, Hallucinogenics.
You know, Natural Born Killers is almost a hallucinogenic film too.
But I wouldn't say there's a deep interest in the occult side of power.
So he doesn't care about the Illuminati.
That's not on his list of... No.
Who do you think, by the way, who do you think is ultimately, who are the people who run the world?
Who are the Illuminati?
Oh my gosh.
I look at things more multi-dimensionally.
That's why I get into it in the series.
I think you would say that the only way you can perpetuate a conspiracy that's this deep and persistent, right?
It's Anunnaki level.
It's like beings that That basically are either they're they're connected to something extra dimensional or, you know, they themselves are of a different race.
They have a different way of seeing the world because the, you know, the planning the actual like we're talking what you're talking about with like Hollywood and putting, you know, symbols and things in movies.
I mean, you can't rationally.
You cannot rationally explain to me how Back to the Future has allusions to the World Trade Center collapsing.
We're not talking rationality here.
what you think, you know, it's like, it's just, it doesn't, it's not a rational, this is not a, we're not talking rationality here.
We're talking something ultra, you know, ultra dimensional to start to, to start to see things in that light.
Well, Alex Jones predicted the world trade center being, being a target a few months before, I mean, okay, there have been Simpsons episodes where Trump has been, you know, what it was a joke, a joke idea at the time when... That's my point.
You cannot rationally do these things.
Unless you have good.
No, unless you if you had like, I mean, no technology, you could rationally do it.
But without time travel technology, you cannot rationally do these things.
I'm sorry, I'm trying to explain that this is all working without time travel technology or looking glass technology where you're actually looking into the future.
There's no way you can do these things with a rational mind, you have to be able to, to operate from a different level of consciousness, a different You know I said a different frequency of input and the truth is people don't know who they are.
They don't know what's influencing them.
They don't know what beings are working through them.
That's why I say I look at this all much more multi-dimensionally.
Okay, so I will go there in a moment.
I'm sort of halfway with you, but but I'm not totally convinced by this argument because okay for the sake of argument if there are people in the world so powerful.
They're very used to power.
They're very used to controlling the world, and they are capable of starting world wars.
They plan not just decades into the future, but sometimes even centuries into the future.
They meet at places like the Trilateral Commission, the Commission on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg, and so on.
They all know each other.
They've got limitless resources.
They are infinitely corrupt, infinitely evil.
I don't think it's that big a stretch to argue that these people could know well in advance that what they were going to do to the Twin Towers on 9-11, for example.
I think that a lot of this stuff is game-planned.
Years in advance.
I don't think you need a time machine necessarily.
I don't think you need to be multi-dimensional.
You just need people with a lot of money and a lot of influence.
No?
No, it's not that way.
I get what you're saying as far as game planning.
Yes, Lockstep was a game plan exactly for the COVID, right?
That's what they do.
They think tank things.
They do absolutely run war game scenarios, you name it, right?
Financial collapse, this, that, and the other.
But until you're operating with a different frequency of consciousness and a different understanding and intuition and recognizing that there are multiple dimensions operating here, that this is not a 3D realm.
This is like a much more complicated realm.
You can't fathom how they rule the world, because you're still in 3D and you're just like, well, they're just planning things.
It's like, you can't plan things perfectly enough to achieve these things without doing... That's why the occult has always operated using magic and things like this.
It's not to say, like, pulling rabbits out of hats.
It's actual John D. doing ritual work to conjure a storm to sink the Spanish Armada.
Do you understand?
Like you can't, you can't do it.
Well, we plan to beat the Spanish.
It was like, no, literally a storm wiped them out so that the British didn't have to fight the Spanish Armada in its full capacity.
Now there was an aspect of, hey, well, we know that the, you know, we know maybe we can predict that this time of year, there might be, you know, storms, but this is the intentionality, working with consciousness, working with, as I said, higher forces, conjuring, Dee talked about this.
He literally talked about conjuring, making deals with what they called angels.
I mean, listen, I've done this.
I literally opened one of Dee's books, not his book, but the Enochian Magic Ritual book.
And I did a ritual just out of curiosity one day in my bedroom.
Nobody was around just out of curiosity, you know doing this ritual 30 minutes later.
I had a phone call my cell phone from some demonic voice asking if I was a sorcerer and then it was like the rest of the connection was so garbled.
I couldn't actually make out what it was talking about.
It was just this really garbled demonic sounding.
Voice trying to communicate to me through the phone.
So I'm just telling you this stuff is real.
This reality is not what you think.
So the only thing that happened, what were you trying to achieve when you made that?
I mean apart from just seeing whether anything happened.
When you work with when you work with like any any you know any magic it's working with intention so you're basically just you know that not magic is about communicating with what they call you know angels but it may not be who knows what it is whatever he was communicating with you know what they.
were they aliens were they you know where were they from i don't know it was it was a curiosity to say okay this is i'm going to communicate and open myself to this communication and that and they they literally communicated with me i was shocked i wasn't intending that but anyway magic works with intention so when you work with intentions you must have been freaked out no no i've been dealing with that for three for a year at that point no No, I've been dealing.
I mean, my first film was about the supernatural realm for a reason.
I lived it.
You know, I've lived through, you know, encounters with a lot of strange entities experiences with the call high strangeness.
And, you know, you start getting into like, You get you start like look, you know investigating which we did with the conspiracy theory start investigating like the deep state essentially aspects of the deep state secret space program time travel technologies portals and you start to realize yeah man this stuff is all real like this is all part of our reality.
It's just that.
You know, people want to think that, like, it's physical.
As I keep saying, it's not physical.
That is, that's what Satanists want you to believe, because they want you trapped, in a sense, without the spiritual understanding that goes back to, you know, Egypt, basic ancient Egypt, which is that we are the souls working to ascend, and actually everything that we think is Bad and evil are opportunities for us to grow.
They're confrontations and challenges for us to grow, to learn, to confront, to face, to see aspects of ourselves.
This is all a testing ground.
This realm is like a lab with rats in it.
We're obviously more evolved than rats, and there are other beings that literally are interfacing with us.
We just don't see them with our naked eye.
Yeah.
So, earlier on you used the word Anunnaki.
Now, the Anunnaki, are they the same as the Nephilim?
Are we talking about the fallen angels breeding with humans?
Or are they something else?
I mean, I would say Anunnaki are like, we don't know exactly where they come from.
I mean, there's obviously different interpretations of what is Nibiru and, you know, their home world and stuff.
But the way I see it is the Anunnaki is like... What do you think?
No, I think it's a fundamental story of our creation via different alien species that have come here at different points to... So you reckon that we can't... Okay, so the aliens are in charge?
No, they're not in charge, because it's still our realm, in a sense.
It's a human experience, still.
Hang on, sure, it doesn't sound like it's our realm.
If these alien creatures have co-opted the ruling elites, and the ruling elites are making blood sacrifices to these creatures in the belief that they're doing it for Satan, It doesn't sound like we're calling the shots at all, because everything in the world is a lie, and the source of these lies sounds to me like... I mean, in your version of events, these alien space creatures.
That's quite depressing.
Um... I don't think they're in charge.
I think that we interface with them, of course, but it's still our realm.
And that's the point.
People don't own their reality.
They don't take charge.
They don't take ownership of their reality.
They still outsource.
They still outsource it to celebrities, to politicians, to power, to all these structures that have been co-created.
It's a co-creative experience.
And until we take our power back, and that starts in ourselves, owning ourselves, knowing our sovereignty, knowing our right, that we exist by God's grace, not by the grace of some politician, or some king, or some government.
I'm with you on that detail.
But does a trafficked child, do they have this kind of sovereignty you're talking about?
I don't think they do.
That kind of, I mean, they've got... As spirit, yes.
I mean, the thing is that as souls, we... Unfortunately, it's like, it's tragic what happens here.
But if you believe in soul, then you have to understand that soul chooses what it experiences in this realm.
And it's like I was with a woman once who was like, she was explaining to me how she had gone to Peru to, I think it was to Machu Picchu, one of those sites, and had a visceral, emotional memory of being sacrificed there.
You know, blood sacrificed there.
That wasn't the end for her.
She didn't die.
Yeah, that wouldn't be fun.
No, but she didn't.
But there's no death here.
That's the point.
Christ came to tell you there's no death.
And people haven't figured that out yet, so they're still, like, terrified of death.
It's like, there's nothing to be afraid of with death.
It's just, we want to maximize our experience.
And The Trafficked Child, it's like, we can't, I can't speak blatantly because I don't, what about, you know, people who are starving to death?
What about people that are miserable?
What about people that are psychologically ill?
Like, there's so many experiences to be had here.
But the point is that the soul chose it for a reason.
It's not because the soul says, I'm going to go there and die and be done.
It's like, the soul's there, like, I'm going to experience this.
Pain, confrontation, suffering, whatever the soul chooses, because that's part of the evolution process of a soul.
So, it's not to say that we shouldn't have sympathy and care, we should, we should absolutely, because we are all connected.
And as long as a child is being trafficked, then we collectively are screwing up this planet.
We have failed as long as children are being trafficked on this planet, we as a collective are failing.
Yeah.
I hope that, if your theory is right, I hope my soul never chooses to go back in time and have its heart ripped out and the blood drunk while the heart's still beating and for my body to be kicked down the steps of an Aztec pyramid or whatever.
Because that would be pretty shit, wouldn't it?
You wouldn't want that to happen.
You're looking at it so physically, I mean...
You know.
Well, it is physical.
Come on.
I mean, this is what I don't get about your theory.
I mean, look, because I'm a sort of more bog-standard Christian and I just think, you know, God made us in his image and all that.
Yours is kind of a bit of that, but some other stuff thrown in, which sounds a bit like maybe a bit of theosophy, a bit of the kind of the mystery religions.
It's sort of an amalgam.
And so I'm sort of curious as to where it all comes from.
Like, do you think, is there a benign God that created us?
Or did he sort of contract it out to the aliens?
These alien creatures, are they Are they sort of a step down or what?
The aliens are not gods.
They're the way you could call archons, demigods.
You know, Jehovah is exactly that.
You know, the jealous god pretending to be the all-loving creator.
It's bullshit.
I mean, Jehovah is not... Oh, so that's Gnosticism?
Are you a Gnostic?
No, I'm not a Gnostic.
I study everything.
I look at everything and I follow my intuition.
But I also study, like, when Jehovah talks about the Elohim, it's not one God.
It's multiple creators that have come down, multiple Elohim.
Elohim is a plural.
That means that many of these have come down and there's different Elohim for different peoples.
Jehovah just lays claim to these people that are outliers of Egypt.
And it becomes a certain mythology of, you know, Judea and Israel.
And they have this technology to communicate with Jehovah, which is the technology they call the Ark of the Covenant.
And it's so technologically powerful that it can kill people.
I mean, this is a very advanced technology.
And, you know, all the indications are Jehovah is a demigod.
You can't look him in the face.
You have to look... I'm sorry.
Yeah, you can't look him in the face.
I mean, all this stuff is not an all... When you talk about God, talk to me about the creator of all existence.
We can't, he's not a person.
He's not going to show up in a physical form.
It's going to, it is the all creating, which is to say what connects all of us, right?
As soul.
We are all connected to this one creator.
And of course the creator loves all of us, but we also have to love, I'm sorry, we have to learn to love through this experience, which is a fall into a physical realm.
So we are, yes, we are also fallen.
We have, You know, we have chosen to come into materiality, we've chosen to have the illusion of disconnection from each other, from Source, and in the process, you know, this universe has everything.
It has whatever you can imagine has reality, right?
There is vampirism, there's aliens, there is demons, there is angels, there's Santa Claus and everything in between, because it depends on how you can understand that you are co-creating it.
And as long as your imagination or your mind can fathom it, it has a reality.
And that's what I'm trying to get across, that we already are in touch with the multi-dimensional world because we are visualizing or imagining things that's already affecting our reality.
Yeah, I've noticed this recently, that people who go down the rabbit hole, and you know, I've really gone down the rabbit hole in the last two or three years.
There comes a point where they take one of two routes.
Either they take the white pill and basically get Christianity, which becomes their framework of understanding of everything.
Or they take the route that I would suggest you've gone down.
Which is I mean, I'm very familiar with with all the stuff you're saying about the about the different about the nature of reality and and and and so on.
And, you know, who knows?
You could be right.
What?
Where I find it slightly difficult, you know, that everything's an illusion and that we sort of imagine these things into existence is that, you know, when I bash my head on a wall, it does feel very real to me.
And I'm not sure Even after sort of 20 years of training and persuading myself that when I bash my head against a wall it's not real, that I'm still pretty sure that when I hit my head against the wall it would hurt, you know?
I think it's a slight cop-out.
There's all these different realities coinciding and you're focusing on the physical reality.
No one's saying that this physical reality doesn't have physical implication.
It has physical reality.
Your emotional mental state also has physical reality.
Your energy body also has physical reality.
Because this is a physical realm.
So everything does have physical reality in the physical realm.
But that's not the only reality.
Right, but are you experiencing any benefits at the moment?
Okay, so you've got your physical life where presumably you are prey to your desires, you know, I need a beer, I've got to have a cigarette, I've got to go and see Dad this weekend, go and watch some Nam movies together or whatever.
What's the upside to your, because like in my version, I get to go to heaven and it's just going to be amazing.
You know, I get to wear white and float around on clouds and stuff.
In your version, is it like an endless cycle of souls, sometimes having good experiences, sometimes really bad ones, but growing each time?
No, the Egyptians were, you know, basically Giving us the blueprint.
No, we're working towards ascension of the soul.
The ascension of the being through the physical experience of death and actually through conscious awareness knowing where we are moving to as we ascend into the next experience.
And that could be a different world.
It could be a different dimension as you want to experience it.
But that's the intention.
The intention is to consciously carry your awareness through the illusion of death.
And heaven heaven is heaven gets boring believe it or not.
I see because I had wondered about that.
So like I can see that if there's a scene in in Paradise Lost by our great poet John Milton where he talks about Satan, I think, talks disparagingly of warbled hymns.
He paints this picture of heaven as being like really kind of boring because there's God and all everyone does is praise God and stuff.
I had wondered about that.
So in your kind of understanding of the world or the spiritual world, people are sort of hanging about in heaven for a while and they go, I need some real experience.
I need to kind of...
My soul in the crucible of material we chose this for a reason because we chose this for the when you when you have When you're connected to source when you're connected to God before the before the identifier of this, you know the lower the ego that we call our name and this experience of Perception through this ego, which is not a negative thing.
It's just it can be super inflated ego.
It can be humble ego it's just that's the perception of you know through this through this identifier and Before that when we are all connected to the oneness we chose essentially yes this got that got Boring in a sense you could say boring.
It was like it was complete.
We knew we were complete What does it feel like to scatter?
What does it feel like to separate?
What does it feel like to go through all the suffering that we see on this planet, as well as the highs?
You know, the highs with the lows, right?
That are available through this world, through this physical experience, as we talk about the physical reality.
And I think that was the choice.
And I think that we are returning now in the process of what they call like an ascension of the earth.
Energetically, we are reconnecting more to our energy body, which will give us more intuition, which will give us greater Awareness from what we used to be, which was more mundane physicality.
And that's the way I see it.
Yeah.
That's evolution.
It does sound a bit like Luciferianism to me.
I mean, the idea that we can all be God.
We can all be our own gods.
Not own gods.
No.
I didn't say we were our own gods.
I said we were all connected to God.
We were all one with God.
That was complete.
That's before separation.
Yes.
Right.
Because that's before... What do you think your soul When your soul chose to incarnate as you, your soul chose a fairly cushy number, didn't he?
I mean, you know, like growing up in sort of a nice part of California with a Reasonably well off, Dad.
What do you think this incarnation of you is doing for your soul?
It's learning its own challenges and its own destiny.
As I said, everyone has a different destiny.
I believe my soul put me here because I have a certain ability to Use the platform of media of, you know, understanding the psychos, the psycho emotional landscape of media, and then using that for essentially, hopefully elevation of consciousness and expansion of awareness for many people.
That's the intention, at least.
Yeah, do you know what?
I mean, it's funny.
From where I'm coming from, I kind of feel that's my mission too.
So I totally respect what you're saying.
I'm not taking the piss.
I'm just curious about why people think the way they do and why it is that people within are, you know, I mean, you're pretty, you'd call yourself awake, wouldn't you?
Well, I'm working on it.
I'm more awake than as I said, I'm not in the mundane reality I'm not in a physical I don't believe in a physical reality and I'll be all so awake waking to me is like being in being more intuitive to the to the spiritual awareness being able to actually see things coming before they do being able to Intuitively understand things in a deeper way.
That's that's all aspects of work wait, but I'm not fully awake.
No, I But well, I suppose, yeah, okay, so there is the spiritual definition of awake and the two terms have been conflated.
I was thinking more...
The realization that all US presidents are there, you know, if they get to be president, it's all part of the plan.
Politicians are all compromised and corrupt.
Hollywood is a brainwashing industry.
So is the music industry.
Satanists run the world.
You know, that kind of entry-level stuff.
The moon landings never happened.
But I look at it actually deeper than that.
I still look at it as God, the creator of all runs the world.
This is actually completely allowed, permitted for a reason, because this is the best way for us to wake up.
That's the way I look at it.
But I do actually have to jump in a second.
Sorry.
You've got to have a dump, did you say?
I have to jump in a second.
You've got to go.
Jump, sorry!
Well, we should do another chat sometime.
I've really enjoyed talking to you.
I hope you don't think I've been... No, I like, I mean, I definitely like the questions you pose.
It's, you know, it's refreshing to, you know, to get these kind of questions.
I do appreciate it.
Well, I'm curious.
I mean, that's the thing.
I'm just trying to, like you, I'm trying to find out what the truth is.
That's the only thing that matters to me.
Right.
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I keep studying.
Even with Christianity.
You go and go to a pizza party now.
Oh, no, no, no.
No, no.
Or whatever it is.
Or go surfing, whatever it is you do in California.
Is that where you are now?
I'm in LA.
No, I've got a couple meetings, but as far as... Anyway, I appreciate the conversation.
I will send you a couple things to take a look at, to think about, you know, because all these religions to me, they're all mythologies that have been That have been based in teachings and truths, but they have been co-opted and utilized for a very important reason, because that's where consciousness was.
It needed that lordship, essentially, to subservient yourself, as opposed to understanding that you are the sovereign.
You are the sovereign.
You are connected to the creator.
Yeah, which I think is kind of what I caricatured, but I think there's a lot of truth in it.
You know, you too can be God in your own way.
I'm not God.
No, you are not God.
You're a creator.
You're a co-creator of your reality.
You are deeply connected because God works.
Of course, God is living through you.
What do you think God is?
God is everywhere.
God is in you.
Where do you think God is?
It's not like you can look and point and say, there's God.
No, no, no.
God is everywhere.
No, no.
Well, we can agree on that.
Tell people where they can find your stuff and... Oh, seanstone.info.
It was that simple.
Yeah, they can.
I've been there.
It's very easy to subscribe to the Vimeo or whatever.
Sean, it's been great talking to you.
I hope we do another one sometime.
Go and enjoy your day.
Thank you, James.
Good to see you.
Take care.
Thanks.
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