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Welcome to The Delling Pod, Alex.
Welcome back.
I think of you, Alex, from thinking slow.
As my Witchfinder General.
Well, actually, there are several Witchfinder Generals out there.
There's another one, I think Mirri Finch is very much a Witchfinder General.
And I think both you and she say things that quite a percentage of awake people would rather not hear.
I've noticed this a lot recently and it's a real problem with our side.
There's a lot of this that there was there was sort of two ways of looking at the what you might loosely call the resistance movement.
There are those who recognize that the people who run the world have got all their bases covered.
And that one of those bases that they cover is to infiltrate and undermine the resistance movement with people who we think of as being on our side, who are actually not, whether because they are morally corrupt, whether they're being paid to do so, or whether they're just naive dupes of the system.
But there are people out there who are these figures.
I mean, one of them, for example, just recently, there's been a spat on Twitter, I don't know whether you've seen it, between Bob Moran and Zuby.
Do you follow Zuby?
Yeah, I saw a bit of that, I think.
Zuby's a rapper.
I don't, because I never really understood what he was all about, so I didn't pay any attention.
Well, that's a very interesting thing you say, because you're right.
There are these figures who emerge as personalities within the... online personalities within the... what do we call ourselves?
The Awake, the Red Pill, whatever.
And you think, well, where does he come from?
I don't know.
He seems like a good guy.
He says some of the things that we like.
And then here he is.
Doing a podcast with, and gloating about, Piers Morgan.
I mean, it's like, it's like getting into bed with Satan and saying, no, look, we've got to talk to, we've got to talk to all sides.
I think we need to hear what Satan's side of the argument is, because he may have stuff to tell us.
You know, we don't want to be an echo chamber.
And I'm thinking, how naive can you be?
As Bob rightly says, Piers Morgan should not have a platform at all.
He should be behind bars, frankly.
We should not be treating with these people and we should always be alive to the possibility that the people we think of our friends are not our friends.
I don't think Zub is a particularly bad example.
I think he's naive.
He's a Pollyanna.
He thinks, so let's talk to everyone.
We can all get along.
But you have got, what I like about you, Alex, is that you use metrics which demonstrate on a sort of scientific level who is, for example, artificially boosted, whose traffic is not genuine on social media.
And I know you're itching to talk to me today about the latest... It's a PSYOP, isn't it?
It's the story that came out of New Zealand about this guy who'd apparently had devastating information on the true nature of the vaccine deaths in... This is apparently the smoking gun that... Tell us a bit about the background to this.
Well, like you said, it was a guy who released 2.2 million records of New Zealanders from the 4 million who had been vaccinated, and it was only a vaccination database.
Obviously, the unvaccinated never made it into that database.
So he released roughly half of the records for the vaccinated.
What it is, is when you think about it logically, when you start with some data and then say, well, what conclusions can I make?
You're in the hiding to nothing, you know, because everything works the other way.
You've got to think, what do I need to prove?
And therefore, what's the data?
When you start with a half piece of data, You're stuffed right from the beginning.
So there was no prospect of them ever really determining anything particularly useful from that data.
So this whole circus of all lines and charts and people pontificating the curve should go up down, it's all essentially nonsense.
And it's doubly nonsense because what you actually need is available, more or less, in the official records.
So it's a complete blind alley.
It's a massive Blind Alley, which a lot of people are now rushing down.
Before we move on to why it's bunk, let's just take a step back and look at how it's presented to us.
I had never heard of this guy before.
Fair enough, there's no reason why one necessarily should have heard of somebody in New Zealand.
This was a story that I noticed popping up on my various social media on Telegram and Twitter and so on.
And one's immediate reaction when you see a story like this is, should I be retweeting this?
Should I be jumping on it?
Is this important?
Lots of people are amplifying this story.
People I sort of more or less trust.
It's the key to whether it's legit or not.
Yeah.
Because most of us haven't got time to... I think that's the key to understanding.
I've been working a week solid on that data with William Briggs who's the world-class statistician and he's also a US Air Force cryptographer and he's done more work than I have.
But I've been, you know, I did an interview with him and we walked through everything, so it takes that long to know the truth.
It's not, like you said, you can't just, oh yeah, that makes sense, or oh no, it doesn't.
You have to really dig in and see what's going on.
Yes, but this is precisely what, if it is a PSYOP, and I think it is, this is precisely what they are relying on.
They want the story to go around the world and be amplified before anyone has time to check whether it's a real story.
So that by the time you come along and William Briggs come along and say, hang on a second, this doesn't stand up, Already by that stage, lots of awake people have been sharing this story and going, wow, this is the smoking gun.
I mean, you showed on the video a woman talking about mother of all revelations.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that's when it was obvious this is a psyop, because watching that video where they're picking care homes, they're picking the very elderly, and they're saying, oh my god, over 20% died, or whatever the number is.
Well, hang on a minute.
This is a two-year window, essentially, in this database.
And unfortunately, a fact of life is average residency period of a care home is about two years so if you look at the vaccination records of a care home over two years pretty well a lot of those people who took that vaccine will be will unfortunately pass away that's that tells you nothing about anything so you knew they were just you knew it was soundbites and it was total bullshit quite frankly they were just cherry-picking
In the worst possible way these alarming numbers like 20% and then as you said everyone's like oh my god 20% 20% I'm like 20% of what where and when you have no idea you're just repeating a number you don't actually understand that has no credibility whatsoever.
So the headline story was what 20% of all those who took the vaccine in New Zealand were Well, there have been those claims, but they started with a batch and they looked at this batch number one.
It's a long, boring story which is on the video, but it's completely unrepresentative.
They literally cherry-picked.
I mean, the equivalent would be to say, this guy took a vaccine and then he died, therefore this vaccine is 100% deadly.
That's just as reliable a statement as saying 20%.
It's really just completely fabricated.
Sure, but let's just get, I want to un-boring the story because I think it's the danger with these stories that one can get so bogged down in the technical detail that people just kind of their eyes glaze over.
I just want to be clear here, what people were sharing excitedly on social media, they were sharing this damning evidence which seemed to show that A quarter, almost, of all those people, I mean I think it was between 20 and 25 percent wasn't it, of all those who took the vaccine were either dead or going to die.
Is that right?
Yeah.
But it's garbage, because in that group of 2.2 million, you can pick and choose any number you like, and that's what they did.
I can tell you overall, over the whole group of 2.2 million, 1.7% died over roughly the two years that that database covers, which is, roughly speaking, normal mortality in New Zealand and then that makes sense because yes, they've got excess deaths in New Zealand, but they're in the order of a couple of thousand depending on how you calculate.
So, you know, your pool of even potential vaccine deaths is somewhere of the order of 2,000.
So, you know, if you start coming from 20%, 20% of 4 million is 800,000.
I mean, it's total absolute garbage.
of 4 million is 800,000.
I mean, it's total absolute garbage.
You know, it's so obviously nonsense.
Right.
So, in fact, there is absolutely nothing to see here.
And do we know anything about the guy?
Because wasn't the story that this guy had been... had he been imprisoned or what had been done to him?
Yeah, I don't know.
I can tell you.
Well, we can come back to that.
But a big giveaway, if you want to do it now, is what he did immediately after he was on bail.
He then went on to Infowars and gave a TV presentation and discussed all the data again.
And the police said he didn't breach his bail conditions.
And he's like, sorry?
You know, you sent in a mob to arrest him apparently and rough him up and haul him in.
Let him go the next day.
And he goes on to Infowars and discusses all the data again.
And that's not a breach of his bail conditions.
It's totally insane.
I mean, that makes no sense whatsoever.
And it was a local person in our group in New Zealand that put me on to that.
Ah, so yes, it doesn't make sense.
So I was right that he was actually arrested and put in prison briefly for this.
It reminds me a bit of Did you see the Tommy Robinson being arrested at the pro-Israel rallies?
And then amazingly, despite having been arrested, he was able to make a... for some reason they gave him a selfie.
Yeah, it does feel like that a little bit.
Yeah.
I mean, we don't know what the bail conditions were, but you could definitely say he wouldn't be allowed to go on a huge Internet platformers start talking about the thing he's just been arrested for.
I mean, it just stinks.
That part of it stinks.
And of course, it's like everything.
You look at what happens to real dissidents and there was a real dissident in the COVID days in New Zealand who was going to anti-lockdown meetings and he was absolutely pummeled for breaching his bail conditions.
They went and arrested him and You know, there's all kinds of footage, but this guy, whatever his name is now, Barry Young, I think it is, he's free to go on InfoWars with Alex Jones and do a huge podcast, no problem.
I mean, it's like, are you kidding me?
Did you watch his InfoWars podcast?
I did and this is the hardest person in the resistance for me to criticize and I have to say I think something's happened to Alex Jones because he also said 17% of people that took the Pfizer jab died within a year and again it's like well hang on a minute 400,000 people took this Pfizer jab so you're saying you know best part of 80,000 are dead.
I mean it's total bullcrap.
And, you know, Alex Jones for years has prided himself on his research.
You remember, he always has all his papers on the desk and he waves them and everything's sourced.
And then all of a sudden, he says a number that is utter garbage, obvious garbage.
And that's like, whoa, that's so out of character.
And that really made me think.
Well yes you did warn me that you were going to have a go at Alex Jones and did I feel comfortable?
There's no pleasure in it because I like the guy.
He was there for 20-30 years before anybody else and his research is meticulous.
It was meticulous and then all of a sudden he does this and it's so out of character and like you said there's something about this story That it has to be amplified, and of course Russell Brand is the other amplifier of this story.
Is he?
Yeah, because the guy who's running this circus is a guy called Steve Kirsch, who seems to be in the middle of the whole circus, and he went on Russell Brand.
And again, You know, the clue is in the amplifier because Russell Brand, if you look at his Twitter feed, in literally two and a half years, he mentioned the word vaccine on two occasions, two and a half years, and not once in the whole of 2022 and the first half of 2023.
I mean, it's unthinkable, right?
You don't mention that word.
So Russell Brand either made a strategic decision or he was told You do not talk about vaccines.
So he just put his fingers in his ears through everything, through the myocarditis, through the ovary scandal, through the VAERS, through everything.
He just did nothing.
Okay, now people will write in and say he did something here and there's half a video there, but in the big scheme of things, in two and a half years, to mention the word vaccine twice means you've decided to not touch that issue And let the harms and everything else just go on and ignore it.
So all of a sudden he's gone from that to picking this.
I mean he did a couple of other things in October, November.
But this is the story he jumps on, right?
He doesn't jump on the ovaries.
He doesn't jump on the myocarditis of young boys.
He doesn't jump on the sperm count.
All of that stuff is documented, calculated by serious people.
And I tell you the big one of all, Is Fenton and Professor Martin Neil made a calculation, pretty good calculation, 51,000 vaccine deaths in the UK.
That's like an official paper they did and posted.
Nobody has touched that paper.
And it's like, it's directly related to us, to the UK, and it's credible because all the workings are there.
And instead of that, we jump on a New Zealand leak story, which has no legs.
I wasn't familiar with the Fenton paper.
Well, you're not supposed to be.
That's the whole point.
51,000 is a lot.
One doesn't need to amplify it anymore with 20% figures.
51,000 lives lost.
How did they reach that?
Is a lot.
Yeah.
One doesn't need to amplify it anymore with 20% figures.
51,000 lives lost.
How did they reach that?
Yeah.
What data did they use?
Well, you know, this is the great thing about this whole New Zealand nonsense is essentially you can only really reach a sort of top-down estimate like that through VAERS, specifically So they took the UK VAERS numbers and they adjusted the adjustments for under...
Yeah, it's the adverse reactions.
And they just did some simple adjustments for underreporting.
So they said, okay, this has been unreported by a factor of X. And then, you know, of that X, let's say, I don't remember the exact numbers, right?
So they would say, let's say 40% are wrong, because it's confounded with something else.
That leaves us 60% and of that we think, you know, X, Y and Z. And that ends up with 15,000 direct deaths from vaccine and 35,000 or 36,000 from underlying conditions that have been worsened by vaccine.
And you just add the 15 and the 36 and you're at 51.
And it's very credible, and it's starting from the Adverse Reaction Database, which is the right place to start from.
If you start from this New Zealand thing of all-cause mortality for 2.2 million, you can't get anywhere.
It's mission impossible from the beginning.
So, you've mentioned three big names there, and I think that there are lots of people among the awake.
For whom these people are their go-to guys.
I mean, I Russell Brand, for example, I get in my telegram channel.
I would say that there was a significant proportion of people there who say Well, we shouldn't, we shouldn't question Russell Brand because his reach is so enormous.
He is red-pilling people on a scale that we ordinary mortals could never, could never achieve.
Yeah.
And, and, and look, even if maybe he is wrong, you know, even if he was the, the, the monarch handler of his ex-wife.
Still an asset, still an asset, right.
Yeah.
People say, I don't want to know.
And look, he was... They raised these rape charges against him.
Clearly he's been cancelled.
He must be a good guy.
And here you are demonstrating that that's his function.
He's amplifying misleading... Yeah.
Nonsense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the other thing is, I say to these people, OK, he must keep this fantastic platform in order not to warn you about vaccines.
Is that why we need this fantastic platform?
He never mentioned it.
What benefit is there to you of him not telling you anything?
Can you explain why this thing is a sacred asset?
Of course, it's a fantastic asset for him, but for humankind, it's totally useless.
And, of course, it floods out all the traffic we could get because we're trying to actually say something useful.
I mean, I've been plugging away on this vaccine thing since December 2020, telling people this thing is not properly tested.
And, you know, people will go and watch Ross Brown because he's the truther, but he didn't warn you about anything.
And that's a problem for people.
They need to get their heads around this.
And just one thing on the press stories on the rape thing.
I don't believe the press a lot, but At all.
The press don't lie about everything, so that's about as much as I could say.
I don't think he is a good guy by any means.
Is the term for this stuff flooding the zone?
Precisely.
You look at it.
Precisely.
You look at it, you look at it.
What have they achieved with this, right?
What the big aim is to hijack the anti sort of vaccine movements.
So the deep state runs the vax movement and therefore they need to hijack the running of the anti-vax movement.
So your go-to people like this Steve Kirsch is the ringleader now of this sort of anti-vax movement I guess in some way.
So firstly he's sort of grabbed ownership and he's a guy I don't really Get on with, let's say, for a number of reasons.
He's bringing a completely fraudulent, essentially, case that will collapse.
And he's splitting the anti-vaccine movement because he's got a lot of fans who now are on at me, like, just stop being divisive and get behind him because we're all in this together.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, we're not in this together.
This guy is doing a distraction and we're doing the right thing.
I'm glad you used the the D word because this morning my friend Charlotte Baroness Burnley on Twitter was saying that That now she'd got now she'd got more followers.
She was worried.
She was she was feeling this urge to rein her rein herself in lest.
She be seen as this divisive figure and I hear this word divisive used a lot.
It normally goes with the phrase.
Let's not be an echo chamber.
Let's build a coalition.
Let's show a United front all these all these notions which sound Like they make sense, of course, you know, there aren't many of us and the last thing we need is to split into factions.
But it seems to me that the people who are demanding that we censor ourselves or we give the benefit of the doubt to everybody, they are doing our cause no favors because they are allowing wrong-uns to poison the wells.
That's the problem.
Steve Kersh, by the way, I was on my list of people that I've thought I had been thinking one day I'll get around to doing a podcast with Steve Kersh, because even though I know nothing about him, I know he's an American millionaire.
I don't know how he made his money, but I know he's been quite prominent in talking about vaccine injuries.
So what you say is very interesting.
What's this case he's launching which he knows he's going to lose?
He is really the ringleader of this whole leaking of the New Zealand data and it's a blind alley that can go on for a very long time.
He's the master of that.
He's very confrontational and he wants everyone to argue with him about the methodology.
I'm saying, listen, everybody agrees there's excess vaccine deaths way above what the government of New Zealand or any government acknowledges.
Let's take that as a given and work on getting that into the hands of the bureaucrats.
And it's like, no, you've challenged my methodology and, you know, you've got to show the curve should be this way and not that way.
And I know it's a blind alley because there's, I mean, William Briggs is one of the best statisticians in the world.
You know, as you said, he's assistant professor of Cornell and a former US Air Force cryptographer.
And on our podcast, we go through that curve and the assertion it's got to be flat is just nonsense.
So the whole thing is a circus.
So I'm not going to... and he wants fighting because then he also splits the anti-vaccine group because he's got a lot of fans and I'll end up as the bad guy, you know, the black sheep.
Yeah.
Because we'll have this fighting and I'm not doing that.
It's not helping anyone and it's divisive but that's what they want.
They want the division.
I've had a few of these experiences.
I've had at least half a dozen people On the Delling Pod, who with hindsight, I really, really, really should not have given airtime to.
And the problem is that when you take them on, when you question the veracity of their claims, when you ask them to source what they're saying, to demonstrate that what they're telling us is credible, that we're not just taking them on trust, Um, when you do that, our side, a portion of our side get really defensive and they blame you.
They shoot the messenger.
And of course, what they don't realize is that they are doing the enemy's work for them.
It is not your fault or my fault.
It is ultimately the fault of the people we're criticizing.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't attack anybody body without evidence.
You know, I mean, I lost, I lost a lot of, uh, It caused a lot of upset and turmoil on my Telegram channel this time last year when I stood up for Andrew Bridgen because I knew him of old and it seemed to me at the time that, look, come on, this guy has lost his conservative
The whips have kicked him out of the Conservative Party.
He's lost everything yada yada yada.
He's standing up speaking to empty chambers.
So it seemed to me at the time that he was worth defending and but this is how it works.
Isn't it?
This is how the system works.
They want you to they want this division.
And they want to make us look paranoid and they want to make it but the paranoia as you suggested is absolutely justified.
Our side is riddled with Judas goats controlled opposition gatekeepers.
I couldn't a I'm not going to but like but I could be spicy and do so.
Yeah close personal friends of mine who I now realize are gatekeepers on steroids.
And it's depressing, it's nauseating, but it's true.
Yeah.
Now, I was almost in tears when Alex Jones said that 17% of those vaccinees have died in New Zealand, because he's gone.
Something's happened to him, and it's a tragedy for me.
He is literally the ultimate truther, and it's like a blow to the heart, because he knows that's bullshit, right?
So why did he say that?
But anyway, I just wanted to come on to your point, and I've made this point.
The wider issue is integrity, right?
And then that could feed into Christianity, but the issue is a lack of integrity.
We literally have essentially zero integrity in society, and if we don't get some people with integrity, in those positions of influence we're done for.
So, you know, sitting there and thinking, oh okay, Russell Brand, you know, he's got some rape allegations against him.
He didn't tell anyone at all in two and a half years about vaccine dangers.
But you know what, he may come good.
I was like, what, are you crazy?
I mean, it's, you know, this guy is not who you want to be following.
And it's an integrity question.
And that's back to your Zoobie thing.
It's like, it's an integrity question.
Do you go and kiss up to Piers Morgan and you say, on principle, I would talk to you?
That's what it's all about.
Yeah, exactly.
It's, um, I, This is another one of my irritations, I don't know whether you share this.
People who say, people who try to bring in Christianity as though this has any relevance to this.
The idea is that, no, as Christians we should really be prepared for the possibility that somebody might repent.
And you're thinking, well, hang on a second, I'm all up for the possibility they might, but let's Let's deal with that when they actually do repent, but not simply be, well, I call it being wise as doves.
You know, Christians are enjoined to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.
They're not enjoined to be wise as doves and just let the enemy roll over them with every possible wicked wow that they can get away with.
That is not the deal.
That really is not the deal.
And if you... No, it's not the deal.
There's another... It's not the deal.
...biblical phrase.
By their fruits shall you know them.
That's what Jesus tells us.
And if their fruits are... It's so obvious, right?
...poisonous... Yeah.
Nobody was prepared to do that.
Look simple facts in the face and say, okay, that's a fact and I'll have to live with it and move on from there.
They want to believe.
They want to believe and they'll suspend Their own judgment is sad really.
I am slightly surprised, I have to say Alex, that you are only now beginning to suspect Alex Jones.
Because I can tell you that Bill Cooper And Bill Cooper was, you know, he's the conspiracy theorist conspiracy theorist, although apparently he too was an asset, an intelligence asset, but he may have been, he may have, may have come round.
Um, but I think he his job originally was to flood the zone.
I think that then he's then he saw the light but Bill Cooper was was out was adamant that that Alex Jones was not to be trusted and that he was a gatekeeper whatever and I mean, I don't want to go into too many details about the Sandy Hook thing, but it's but it but it seems to me that the Sandy Hook case that
Alex Jones was publicly seen to lose and which was seen to cost him a large amount of money, that that in itself was another psyop saying,
If you're thinking of making claims about false flag operations, or if you're claiming that these massacres of innocent children are faked, as Olly Damagard keeps telling us, that they're all a side.
If you're going to be one of those people who says that, Be prepared to be taken to the cleaners by our corrupt court system, which is not going to give you a fair hearing.
Yeah.
Does that not raise a red flag for you, that case?
I didn't follow it to be honest really.
I looked back at his early days and surely he was genuine then because he really was 15-20 years ago calling out the Great Reset and that's where I formed a judgement.
Look, I think it's a hall of mirrors.
Just because somebody tells you the things you want to hear, just because somebody has made predictions years ago that have come true, These, of themselves, are not proof that these are good guys.
That could just be part of their cover story.
Because how do you win over sceptical people?
How do you infiltrate A movement of people who are paranoid, who don't trust authorities.
What you do is you enable them to leak information which seems detrimental to the authorities and that gives them their credibility.
I mean, it's a bit like police undercover sort of people who infiltrate, who pretend to be drug dealers or whatever.
They have to make a few deals to persuade people.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'm sure of that.
And also, you know, for the people that think of us as paranoid, you have to admit that, okay, we know that these celebrities are all paid to push the jab.
You know, we know that the government's in bed with all social media to censor stuff.
We know these pharma companies are spending huge amounts of money on lobbying, on advertising, But we can't countenance the fact that a whole bunch of people, they're going to spend the extra few pennies to make sure our movement's stuffed full of these Judas Goats.
I mean, of course they're going to do that.
They're not going to spend the hundred billion and then save the five million by not having Judas Goats everywhere.
Did you not see it also as a red flag?
I mean, I loved, I absolutely loved the The Metis interview, hangout, podcast, whatever, that Tucker Carlson did with Alex Jones.
Where these two guys retreat to the backwoods and it turns out that Tucker Carlson despite being despite his preppy demeanor Alex Jones claims that that that Tucker is is really hardcore and Tucker in turn says you know I was I used to think that Alex Jones was this was this crazy crazy kooky guy but actually Hang on a second.
He was right.
He predicted 9, you know, he predicted Twin Towers months before it happened.
And and he came up with all this information and maybe maybe, you know, how can I dispute what he what he says and it was all this cozying up was the prelude to Alex Jones being readmitted to Twitter.
Yeah.
And presumably this whole thing was orchestrated by Elon Musk, who himself I don't think is exactly a 100% stand-up guy.
So you've got... Okay.
He is a good one.
Do you trust him?
It was almost a brainwave because I did a video two years ago.
I've had so many palm-hitting moments this week or so.
I did a video in 2021 called Digital Hell.
which describes a Microsoft patent which is essentially a guy sitting permanently at a computer with wearables or implants which means basically plants and he's hooked up to a central system and he gets allocated or she a task and the implants work out from brainwave activities whether The task has been performed, and if it has, the person gets a cryptocurrency to his account.
I was just sitting there and thinking, oh, that's Twitter, essentially.
That's what Twitter's going to become.
This will be the Metaverse window, essentially.
We'll just be sitting here all the time, and we're wasting Collectively, and I am a little bit as well, more and more time.
You open those Twitter spaces, and there could be 5,000, I don't know, people sitting in Twitter spaces, and you think, what are you actually doing?
And it's sucking more and more time into the system, and I think it will morph into that Microsoft patent.
That's the end game for it.
And then you suddenly realize, oh, you need someone who's interested in in implants and someone who's interested in AI to run the task allocation.
I was like, does anyone got any suggestions who might be interested in implants and running AI, who also happens to own Twitter?
I mean, it's just too many little pieces come together at that point.
And it's all documented, so anyone can look at that patent.
So, it sort of harvests our loosh, as it were.
It harvests our energy.
Is that how it works?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think, well, you just, I mean, there's been various theories about what the tasks are, and they could be just catchpar.
You're just sitting there, literally doing, wasting time on this system.
And, okay, and presumably also the function is to... Sorry, it's very weird, Alex.
I don't know why your video is so shit.
Actually, your video is always so shit.
Are you talking now or not?
Yeah.
No.
No.
Good.
I'm seeing like an AI version of you on the screen.
Okay.
So the function of Twitter is precisely to do the very thing that we've been talking about this whole podcast, which is to split people up into factions, into rage factions.
Yeah.
Yes, absolutely.
I mean, that we've known for a long time, but I stumbled into a sort of leftist pro-vaccine Twitter space, and these guys are so far gone.
I mean, so far into the quasi-religion of the vaccine.
They're just beyond any kind of reason or anything, and it's pure.
I mean, they've gone so far off on their chain, but they'll never come back to reason or rationality or fact.
I think they're real people but they've really lost it.
It's their religion now and there's just no way you can talk sensibly.
I've certainly encountered this, that people who have had lots and lots of shots are so invested in the idea that they haven't signed their own death sentence, that their defence mechanism is to go aggressively out into the world and
Shout out for the thing that, it's as if the more they sing the praises of the vaccines, the more it will protect them from the effects of those vaccines, which they probably fear deep down.
Therefore, if they keep shouting about how good they are, maybe it'll sort of, it'll become their reality.
Well, I mean, that's an okay cope mechanism, certainly better than reading any technical papers about what this thing is doing, because that, you know, that would really send people into extreme level of worry, so it's probably better they're shouting it's brilliant than...
It's too late now.
This is the whole point about all these vaccine skeptics.
They all start shouting after the vaccine rollout's finished.
They all suddenly switch sides and tell you about the dangers.
I mean, I want to lynch some of these people.
I wouldn't want to be their followers on social media.
That, to me, is also a mystery.
You know, okay, Russell Brand did out of doing anything.
But, you know, my famous friend, Dr. Campbell, you know, steadfastly recommended these things before flipping.
and saying oh they're terrible I mean I would want to I would want to lay hands on him for that I wouldn't be sitting watching his next but you know words of wisdom that to me I find strange.
There have been suggestions that quite a few of the the doctors who seemed to be of our party during the Covid fake pandemic were all along actually batting for the other side.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
Yeah, I lost you there for a bit. I lost you there for a bit.
Yeah.
I'll make a note so that we can edit that bit out, because it's boring.
I don't normally... I'll turn my VPN off now, so it should be better.
Yeah, I'll leave... Do you want me to go then?
What?
No, did you hear my question?
Yeah, I had something to say about that.
No.
No.
What I was asking you was... There were these various...
figures with connections to the medical industry who emerged during the fake pandemic as figureheads for our for our skeptical cause and there have been suggestions that some of these people are not what they pretend to be yeah yeah I'm afraid I have to agree with Mary about the you know if you I think it's almost without exception.
And the thing that also struck me is the three, let's say three main anti-vaccine, you know, the vaccine hesitant now.
Who are the vaccine hesitant?
Russell Brand, who from about October 23, who did nothing literally until then, sat through the whole thing.
Dr. John Campbell, who initially promoted it for A fair while before flipping.
And Andrew Bridgen, who coerced care home workers, happy to coerce care home workers, into being forced to take the vaccine, also promoted it many times throughout 2021.
Those are the three vaccine-resistant people.
Look at the guys who are against it.
Bhakti?
Nowhere.
Yadin?
Nowhere.
Hodkinson?
Nowhere.
Carhill?
Nowhere.
Not one single person who was against the vaccine from the beginning and who was right has any oxygen, no airtime, nothing.
Front people for the vaccine resistance all either did nothing, cursed people, or recommended it.
Is that just the way the cards fell?
Is that just the way the demand fell from the public?
We actually want to listen to the guys that told us to get it, because they've woken up now, so they're going to be so much more credible.
We don't want to hear from Cahill or Hodkinson or any of those guys.
We're not interested in them.
We want to hear from the guys that told us to get it.
Is that the way just the cookie crumbled, or are these guys making sure that the more flexible people are heading this cause.
You're right about Eden and Dolores Cahill.
I was lucky enough to be put on to her really, really, really early on, when I still kind of believed that there was this
Deadly disease coming out of Wuhan and I'd seen the videos of people collapsing and I'd seen I'd heard phone conversations Recorded in Chinese of people trying to get into hospital and discovering that all the doctors were dead It was like, you know, it it was like a sort of dystopian drama on Netflix it for real and then I was essentially it was exactly yeah, it was and
And I had this long chat with Dolores Carhill who said, you know, watch out for when they try and introduce these vaccines.
No one was even talking about vaccines at the time.
It was all so new and shocking.
And so she was the one that first alerted me that something was not right.
And then, of course, Mike Yeadon.
Confirmed it and you're right these people.
I don't know what even know what's happened to Dolores Cahill.
She's been just because it means she had a very successful career.
She was at one of the leading universities in Ireland.
She had a very successful track record in the the the virology stroke immunology industry and if she was saying it yeah but she's she's disappeared now she's been like roundly discredited by the establishment hasn't she yeah That's, again, I mean, I'm saying my conspiracy theory piece here, that I don't think it's an accident that the people who are super well qualified, who were right from the beginning, are nowhere.
And the kind of said charlatans, I mean, what's Russell Branagh about vaccine?
I mean, really, seriously, those are the, they're your approved heroes.
You know, that famous quote, I can't remember the guy's name, Albert Pike.
It's like, literally, that's what they do.
Yeah, if you need heroes, we should supply them.
When they need a hero, we will provide one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think so.
I think so.
It's very, very hard to know who we can trust, but I think you're right.
As a rule of thumb, the smaller their reach... I think it's easy.
I think it's easy.
Yeah.
Look at this New Zealand thing, right?
This is such a classic because there's a small group in New Zealand who I'm talking to now It's called NZSOS, which is a group of doctors who have been against the vaccine.
They've been filing court papers.
They've been filing police claims.
They've been writing letters.
You will never hear about those people because they're genuine and they want to stop the vaccine harms.
We will only hear about Steve Kirsch, who is pushing an empty BS, a hopeless blind alley project.
All the attention will be on that and we will never get to hear about NZDSOS, who are a real deal.
You just need to look at their website to feel the kind of passion they have.
That's the real deal.
Those are the guys in a trust because they've got no publicity, no funding, no oxygen, no nothing, but they're working their backsides off to, you know, stop this and get some justice for the vaccine injured.
So those are the people you trust.
I've never met them, but I can see from the website, these are my guys.
Whatever they need, we can help them with, we'll do it.
Yeah, yeah.
I was thinking actually about this recently, about the people on our side who don't want to think ill of people who purport to be on our side, under any circumstances.
And one of the lines they use is, well look, If they're giving out good, useful information and raising awareness among people that might otherwise not get this information, then what they're doing is fine, even if they themselves are not 100%.
And anyway, we mustn't purity spiral.
We mustn't expect everyone to be perfect.
Yeah.
No, I mean, that is the argument of utility versus morality.
My point of view again is I think our crisis is immorality.
It's not in vaccines and lockdowns and anything.
It's immorality and you cannot therefore be an allied with people who are immoral because you're just perpetuating the problem.
That's the fundamental problem.
That's why it's hopeless to line up with these people and it also means you've got to airbrush From your mind, the Milgram experiment that we had, where these guys all exposed themselves, they all, they had the Milgram experiment, the, you know, the Piers Morgans and the Spectator guy, what's his name?
The Squish guy.
Who?
I can't remember now.
The older sort of guy who was the editor of The Spectator.
Andrew Neil.
Oh, I think.
Andrew Neil.
Those guys, all their cards on the table.
He's a jammer.
Yeah, and the other one was George Galloway and he's a massive authoritarian.
And he airbrushed out this clip.
He absolutely went, we should do Chinese style.
We should do military.
Everything should be locked down.
And then you realize, okay, well, this guy is basically a communist.
You know, we hit the images of cheeky, chappy, tweak the nose of power, foreign policy rebel, but domestically, he's a communist.
And he came out with a video saying like, shut everything down, use military.
This is it.
This is what we're going to do.
So all these authoritarians, they put their cards on the table.
We're prepared to coerce our fellow citizens.
We don't care about their informed consent rights.
We don't care about their freedom of movement.
We don't care about anything.
It's like Schwarzenegger said, you know, screw your freedom.
He's put his cards on the table.
I know the capture of those people now, and you want me to just take that information, throw it in the bin, and pretend it never happened?
That is dumb, to be honest, to do that.
I'm interested in what you say about Galloway, because in many ways I find him an attractive character because he is flamboyant, unpredictable, very articulate, capable of being funny and he's right on quite a lot of issues and he's brave on quite a lot of issues.
But of course, that is how they roll.
That's how they grab the attention of the awake community.
Look, he's brave.
He's telling it like it is.
Therefore, he must be me.
I'll tell you what I think that these remind me of.
They remind me of deep, deep cover of sleeper agents.
Of people who are inserted into the culture decades ago.
I mean there was a there was a wasn't there a TV series about this I think called the Americans where where these sort of Soviet spies were inserted into I didn't watch it.
So I'm on shaky ground here.
But we know that these people exist.
And the point about these sleeper agents is that until they are given the signal to come out of cover, they remain in cover.
And you don't know that they're not what they say they are until the point where they emerge and do the bad thing which shows them who they are.
So, for example, Douglas Murray.
Douglas Murray has spent years cultivating this very successful persona as the darling of the right.
And an outspoken critic of, you know, brave, suicidally brave, outspoken criticism of Islam and talking about red meat issues like immigration.
Yeah.
And it was only during COVID that he first, you know, when he refused to do the thing he should have done, which is like call out the jabs and call out the fascists.
He didn't do anything.
He didn't do any of that.
In the same way, just going back to Steve Kirsch.
Steve Kirsch has spent quite a long time, I mean a couple of years, Establishing his book his his his his cover.
I think it's called a book.
Isn't it in spy terms where you've got the yeah, I don't know.
I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure mi5 will be on to me and correct me if they're listening into this, but so you establish your credibility now.
Could you tell us in the comments that bloody are I mean the so What do you do if you're Steve Kirsch and no one's heard of you you say I'm here because I can be because I'm a millionaire and that gives me access to your world because I can afford to market myself.
But it's okay.
I'm going to do some maverick things.
I'm going to do this bet thing.
Hasn't he made this bet where there's a large prize?
He does it all the time.
Like I said, it's endless confrontation.
Okay, I'll give you another one more dead giveaway on this thing.
Go on.
Well, yeah, it's like, I'm prepared to put my money on the line for this cause.
So what's not to like about me guys?
Yeah.
I don't think that's all showmanship.
I don't think there's any substance to any of it.
Another easy way of understanding that to Psyop is that he has a 230 slide PDF PowerPoint slide deck, literally 230 pages.
I looked through it and I think Is there a graph of mortality in New Zealand?
I mean there might be one, a little screen grab, but basically no.
The answer is no.
There's no analysis of total mortality, no analysis of seasonality, there's no analysis of mortality rate, there's no analysis of age standardized mortality rate, there's no information on vaccine adverse reactions in New Zealand, which has a big database of adverse reactions, which is the if you were interested in vaccine harms.
He doesn't have anything about a citizen.
The citizens have set up a parallel adverse reaction database.
He's got nothing from that.
Literally none of the data points you would look at in day one are in 230 pages of slides.
Okay, someone's going to show me, look, I found one or half of one, maybe, but it's basically nothing.
And that's like a no-debt giveaway.
This makes no sense.
You're not starting from the absolute ABC basics of really looking at these vaccine-related deaths.
What do we know?
For a fact about New Zealand?
I think there's 66,000 adverse reactions in the database.
I don't necessarily want to be quoted on that because it's off the top of my head, but I can tell you there's 184 deaths that they have looked at to do with the vaccine now.
That's a bit low, but it's a number to start with.
But the problem is, the one thing they have done not well is to say four of those, only four of those are directly attributable to the vaccine.
So, well, at least they've acknowledged that there are vaccine deaths, but the number of four is ridiculous.
But, you know, there's enough data there to start with.
And the citizens have run a parallel vaccine injury database.
All volunteers, again, it's all docs, former nurses, what have you, Processing people's claims saying I've been vaccine injured.
They've set up a whole different system and that's got 500 deaths in it.
So, you know, that's your starting point.
None of that's mentioned in all this other hand-waving stuff he has.
I met this Kiwi the other day.
I think it may have been I was hunting at the time.
And she told me That the government coercion during the Covid nonsense...
reached such a fascistic pitch that the government was threatening to, they're saying, wherever you are, we're going to track you down and, um, and, and, you know, in your homes and we're going to come and get you.
And if you don't, if you're not, if you won't take the job, we're going to make you take the job.
And she said.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That people, she, she lived in, she lived in rural New Zealand.
Well, I suppose there's no other kind of New Zealand except for rural New Zealand, but she said.
The people she knew were making escape plans.
They all had escape plans written down.
They had one of those bags that's ready to go at the drop of a hat, carrying their essential supplies.
And they were working out how they were going to escape the country.
All this stuff.
I mean, New Zealand, the country which we always used to imagine back in the day was the final, when it all kicked off, when nuclear war broke out.
It's rural England from the 50s, isn't it?
It's a preservation of 1950s England.
That was supposed to be our escape.
And here were these people, she said it was awful, but she also said that the resistance was quite strong.
Do we know how many Kiwis, what percentage of the population, you say there's 5,000, 5 million is it?
90%.
4 million from 5 million.
And if you take the over 12s, it's 90%, 91% or something took the first jab.
Most of those moved through to the next jabs.
So it's only 10% that didn't get the first jab.
10%.
Yeah.
But that, but that's still quite a lot.
I mean, I don't, I don't want to sound Pollyanna-ish here, but that's still quite a lot given how much pressure was put on them to take, take this thing.
Oh God.
Yeah, no, one of our members is in New Zealand and she was a nurse and they destroyed her career and she's doing odds and pieces now, lifelong nurse, because she wouldn't take the injection.
It's like a life ruined for nothing, you know, it's just terrible.
These politicians, they have no time for that.
No, I mean, so the current Kiwi administration is trying to well, it's another psyop where they're trying to pretend that no, it's okay.
We want to yeah, we want to cut ourselves off from the part of Jacinda horse face man woman and and we're going to Look, see how we are going to stop this weird ban on tobacco that we were going to introduce whereby we're going to phase it out so that people of a certain age would never taste a cigarette.
No, we're not going to do that anymore.
That's too extreme.
We're reasonable.
But meanwhile, you've got people... We'll add five years onto the timetable or something.
Yeah, yeah.
But you've just given me an example of why the legacy lives on.
That you've got people whose livelihoods, lives were ruined just because they didn't want to take an experimental death shot.
Yeah.
Are they going to get compensation?
I mean, the whole thing is criminal.
I mean, not those people.
I think there'll be some vaccine compensation somewhere, but who's going to pay that?
You're going to pay that.
I'm going to pay that from our taxes.
I mean, we're not in New Zealand, obviously, but we'll pay that.
We, the people that tried to stop this happening, we'll get that from our tax money and we'll hand it to some poor other person who ended up injured.
I mean, these guys are long gone, right?
Jacinda Ardern will be raking in millions in the Blair Foundation, and we're the chumps, we'll pick up the bid for all of this.
Yeah.
Do you have any thoughts on the way that the mainstream media has been handling adverse reactions, the way that they've focused on AstraZeneca, which has become the whipping boy which has become the whipping boy for the entire vax industry?
And I was thinking, given what you and I know about how devious these people are and how everything is pre-planned...
Yeah that extraordinary moment at Wimbledon When that ghastly stupid woman who got made a dame got a standing ovation at Wimbledon and the look of horror and discomfort on her face was not the expression you'd expect of a woman being celebrated for a job well done.
As if even then she knew that she was being set up to be here.
This is what she looks like, guys.
Do you think?
Now, I'm not sure about that narrative, but I can tell you a narrative that Mr Bridgen and quite a few of those American guys are pushing.
And that is the narrative that the trials were kind of okay and the stuff we got was kind of okay, but those naughty people went and made something completely different.
That's a narrative and that's to basically split away any liability from the sort of regulator and the politicians that, oh, you know, the trial stuff was kind of okay.
But it was all that crappy manufacturing.
Have you not felt that?
This is new to me, Alex.
This is extraordinary.
No, no, it's a big narrative.
They keep repeating it.
That it was the big bad farmer went and manufactured something that was slightly different from what was trialed.
And by implication, the stuff that was trialed was sort of okay.
But the bad farmer people made something slightly different and that's what caused all the damage.
So they're trying to split the process.
Bridgen is definitely pushing that over and over again.
And one of those American memes, I don't remember his name now also, but essentially they're all pushing that story that it was the manufacturing process that deviated from the trial, which kind of implies it was good at the trial stage, where it was crap at the trial stage and even crapper.
The manufacturing stage is truth, but they're trying to imply that the trial stage, which is really where the politicians get stuck in, because that's them and the regulator, that bit was kind of okay and it was some crazy guys in manufacturing that messed it all up for everybody.
They're definitely trying to send that narrative.
That is extraordinary because if there's one thing everyone who is awake knows or ought to know, it's we heard the whistleblower who was so shocked about the trials that she spoke out at risk to her life because that's what happens when you blow the whistle on the pharmaceutical industry.
How can they rewrite history like that so blatantly?
They keep doing it, they keep saying that over and over again.
I think it, I mean, I shouldn't say too much, but I think if you, more or less every time you listen to Andrew Bridgen on the vaccine, he will push that line that, oh, we just found out, we just found out that they made something that was different from what was licensed and therefore it's all their fault.
I was going to make a point, I was halfway to making a point and then I sort of, as usual, I forgot what my point was going to be when I was talking about sleeper agents and so on.
I think that this is again something that people on our side who are, I call them the sort of the Kumbaya faction, you know, let's all sit in a circle and hold hands even if some of our people stink, you know, we should still love them because they purport to be on our side.
What they say is that so-and-so is providing information that's helpful, and they can't understand why somebody like that could be dangerous.
They say, look, I've got discernment, they say, especially if they're a Christian.
They think that they've got a special gift from God.
You don't get it.
You don't get it.
Because I've got a special relationship with this guy.
I can tell.
But it's... Go on.
My discernment...
Ables me to sift what they're saying and I can see instantly which bits are true and which bits are harmful and I I take the stuff that's helpful to me and I ignore the rest or I discard anything.
Isn't that great?
Everyone on our side is so bloody discerning that they can see they can see the truth at every turn.
I think what they don't understand is that until the sleeper agent gets their trigger, you don't even know what the function is, what the plan of this person is.
So we've now learned that the function of Steve Kirsch is to amplify false information, which when Sighted by sceptics, then discredits them as being gullible and hysterical.
That's we didn't know that before until he showed his colors.
We didn't know what what his purpose was and now we do.
It's no good sitting there saying well, I can't see what harm they're going to do.
So we may as well just just let them let them get on with doing what they do because because when they do bad things, we'll see through them.
That's not how it works.
You often don't see through them when they're doing the bad thing that they were they were they were put there to do.
Well, to be fair, all the sort of like heavyweight big hitters, they didn't touch that data leak because the other thing to know about it is it's been going around the houses for, I think, the best part of a year and a half.
So I think, I don't want to name names, but I DMed a few people.
I said, no, no, we didn't.
We didn't touch it.
We were skeptical.
So I think the serious people didn't jump on the baited hook.
But a lot of others will.
And as you said, it discredits the people that get associated with it.
It divides the anti-vaccine movement and it just soaks up an enormous amount of attention, which at the same time buries the real people.
And I think that's a subtle angle that not many people have thought through, which is what I realised with the bots, that the bots not only do they amplify the bad guys, they actually of course then bury the good guys at the same time by default, and that's also going on in this process.
Like I said, this New Zealand organisation that really is working 24x7 fighting tooth and nail with a vaccine injured, no one's ever heard of them, and no one ever will hear of them, well they might hear of them if we do our job, but Everything, the whole attention will be grabbed by the Kersh Circus and that'll dominate everything.
Certainly this alternative media is now dominated by that story and it's going to rumble on for as long as they could possibly go to weather.
Not now, Alex, because thanks to the massive reach of the Deling Pod, we've just revealed their plans and they're not going to get away with it.
It'll be like the moment where Scoob and his gang, they pull off their masks and it turns out to be the guy who owns the fairground.
He was the ghost all along.
Yeah, that's what we're dealing with every day.
I was very taken.
By your remark that this is essentially a about morality and that one cannot deal with people who are morally compromised on any level.
And I think again, this is something that people don't on our side don't really quite get that they're they're more interested in being nice than they are in being Ruthlessly guided by the truth and a niceness and the truth are very uncomfortable bedfellows.
Niceness is an image thing.
It's something that anyone could be nice.
One of the nicest actors I ever interviewed was Tom Hanks.
I thought, Tom, you're such a lovely guy.
You're just exactly like, you know, I hoped you'd be.
Oh, Tom, Tom, it's amazing.
And you were so good in that movie where you were an astronaut who rescued the spacecraft with a pen or whatever.
I think that was the film I was doing at the time.
And I was in Innocent Abroad then.
I look back on that interview now and I think, well of course he was nice because that's his designated role.
He's Tom Hanks, the nice guy, who also happens to be an actor.
And of course the actor thing should have been a red flag for me.
Yeah, of course an actor can act nice.
It's what they do.
They can pretend to be whatever you want them to be.
They're like prostitutes in a way.
You know, today I'll be your naughty schoolgirl.
It's... But I really think... That's what they do.
Let's get over this bloody thing about this, this Kumbaya mentality.
If people think that I'm going to be nice to people just because niceness is nicer than nastiness, they completely understand the point of what I do, which is to reveal the truth at whatever cost.
And I think you're the same.
You're going to be nice to the guy that thinks the planet's overpopulated.
We're going to go and give him a hug, right?
He wants us dead, essentially.
He'd be happy if a whole load of people were sterilized.
Oh, well, who knows where the ball is going to land on that.
And we're going to go and be nice to him.
OK, got it.
Well, you can be nice to him, but I'm going down guns blazing.
I'm not going to be nice to a guy who essentially wants to exterminate my liberty and everything else.
I'm going to stand against them for as long as possible.
That's it.
We are at war here, and it's a war in the material world, and simultaneously it's a war in the spiritual world.
And people who are misleading us, either on the level of the spiritual, the nature of the spiritual world, or the material world, are not people that we should be nice to.
It's as simple as that, because they are the enemy.
In fact, they're worse.
They are the enemy within, who are even worse than the enemy at the gates.
When the enemy's wearing clear uniforms which indicate that they are the enemy, that's fine.
But when they're dressed like us and talking like us and hanging with us, those are the ones we really want to watch.
I give you a ballpark figure.
I would say 80% of our side is not our side.
I would say 20% maybe is genuine.
And again, the tell is always people without the traffic.
It's always the Miris, the Athings, Simon Elmers, the guys who are sort of buried, who really are the guys who are helping.
They're doing cutting-edge, amazing research.
They just don't have the oxygen.
That's a tell for the good guys, you know.
But I would say 80% of our side is compromised or useful idiots or looking directly for the bad guys or whatever.
They're not with us.
They are either dissection, they're white noise, they're fifth column, Various functions, divide and conquer is a good one, that they form cliques within cliques.
You know, this Steve Kersh thing, he, you know, I would say, let's say on the anti-vaccine side, maybe 60% could be with him and they'll be furious with me now, and I just have to live with that.
Okay, so now I've lost 60% of the people I may have interacted with, but that's what they want.
They want the division.
Yeah, exactly.
So, all the people who are now getting worked up about you and me are basically, come on enemy, let's help you.
Let us do exactly what you, our enemies, want us to do.
And where are these people going to be on the next turn of the wheel?
So Bridgen coerced vaccine, Malhotra said it was safe, Campbell recommended it, but they've woken up now.
Now the next thing comes on, whatever, the climate lockdown.
You're going to put your money on those guys standing tall, instead of doing what they did last time, which is just push the agenda.
And you're not going to listen to the Cahill's, the Bachdi's, who did stand up.
It's like, this is very, very dumb.
This whole waking up thing I find, and there is of course an element of waking up, but being dead wrong and then flipping to me is not a good qualification when you can have people who are dead right from the beginning.
No one can ever explain to me why that makes sense.
Yeah.
Two years ago, I think I wouldn't have agreed with you because I was less... I was more naive then.
Hardcore.
I just thought, why can't we all get along?
You know, if somebody's saying the right thing, give them a break.
Well, we're happy to get along, but when someone says you can't leave your house, and we're going to shove this crap into you, or else you'll lose your livelihood, they're not going to be too friendly anymore at that point.
Yeah, yeah, but but you see that that's an extreme example.
I'm thinking more about the Alex Jones's and even the Tucker's, you know, here am I I love Tucker.
I would love to get him on the pod.
Yeah, I think.
But is he an asset?
I think probably he is.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, like I said, with Jones, when he said that 17% died within a year, I just knew it's total bullshit.
He knows it's bullshit.
And therefore his credibility and everything's gone.
He's amplifying a story that's completely fake, that was to pieces.
So it's like, okay, that's it now.
That's all I need.
But I don't know so much with any of the others really.
No.
Um, it's a bit of it.
I hate having a kind of a podcast.
So black pilled so close to Christmas, but I think we, it's just, it's all good because look, the grassroots, the grassroots are so good.
Those people, there's so many organizations, but I got to tell your viewers, if you guys don't get behind the grassroots and that grassroots thing dies, it's over because you have to either volunteer Or fund with a £4 or £10 or something, those grassroots things.
Because it's so David and Goliath.
And we literally have Goliath on the other side.
And we have these grassroots things that are starving, starved of money, starved of volunteers, starved of media attention.
Not media, but even alternative media attention they're starved of.
And people have to get behind those organizations big time.
Because if they don't, and if those last sort of resistance organisations, like you said, the guys with their bags back to New Zealand, they're gone, right?
And then New Zealand falls, you know, that's the last stand.
10% of the unvaccinated, they were the last man standing.
And we, you know, our organisations, your platform, like we know the other guys, Miri, Simon, all of us need funding for our work, and we're not getting it.
But also, like, if you're going to support me, and I hope you will, don't support me because you think I'm this little kitten in a basket with a blue ribbon around my neck and different coloured eyes and the shots being played.
Don't do it because you think, oh, he's so sweet and nice.
Do it because what I'm doing is, well, it is brave.
And important and motivated just by an obsessive desire to find out what is true and sift out what is false.
That's the mission I've been given and I think it's a holy mission because I think that truth is an expression of God and that we live in a world of lies.
If you don't understand that, I'm not sure that you can really consider yourself truly awake.
You've made the heroic journey from the world of illusion, which is what most people live in, the spell that is cast upon us, By these people who run the world through deception.
This has been this is a story as old as time.
That's how they don't necessarily rule us through military might because because after all the soldiers they use are us too.
They are largely dependent that their control mechanism is deception.
So if you understand that the world we live in is one of deception.
Then, you must be alive to the possibility that even people on the awake side of the argument may not be what they seem.
You can't just abandon, you can't just go, I'm in the awake camp now, and everyone's my friend, everyone's trustworthy, and how dare you knock him, because, like, he told me some stuff I wanted to hear.
It can't work like that.
You have to be... Anyway, lecture, lesson...
Well, I had that Jamie Franklin read me the famous section from the Bible about truth.
I can't, I don't remember it verbatim, but you know, you're of your father, and that one, the And there was no truth in him.
I can't remember the exact word but it's very powerful when he, when Jamie Franklin's obviously, it's, you know, if you're lying you are of the devil essentially and it's a very strong verse.
He's the prince of lies.
The prince of lies does, it says in 2 Corinthians that the devil is, that Satan is the god of this world.
With God's permission, obviously, but nevertheless, that is the deal.
And if you doubt it, look around you.
Look what the media does.
Look what the scientific establishment does.
Just that alone, safe and effective, drummed into you for two years before, shit, it's deadly and not effective.
Sorry.
Bow bad.
Alex, where can people find you?
and see your stuff and your research?
Yeah, we're on thinkingcoalition.org and like I said, all of the other organizations, we definitely need some funding.
The work we've done has been, you know, without being too arrogant, has been top shelf.
I mean, we've warned people about everything with all the receipts, which requires thousands of hours of research work.
So look on thinkingcoalition.org We're always looking for credible volunteers.
The only criteria is your post-estate overreach, and we don't care about anything else.
There's any age, anything, doesn't matter.
And I'm on Twitter on atthinkingslow1.
And also in the background, there's a lot of people don't see, but there's on our sort of weekly list now, it's about 14 of us.
And it's reasonably widely spread.
and sort of it is a bit of an organization now and so buy me a coffee or patreon you do do great work alex and and i people like me i mean i'm of an artsy bent i'm i'm kind of good at the chat and stuff but i'm not very good at digging into the raw data which is why i tried to sort of stay i i recommend people
watch the podcast you do with william briggs which confirms what what you've been saying but i didn't really want to get bogged down in that because it's not really where I am.
It's all there.
So thank you.
It's all there.
Yeah.
Thank you for being a physics wonk on my side because we need brains like yours as well as scatterbrains.
Well without you we wouldn't have even made, you know, you're the only guy, to be fair, not like kissing up, but you gave us a break, you gave Miria a break, you gave Morbeth a break, you gave Simon Alma a break.
You're the only guy In this whole crappy alternative media sphere, really, who gives good people a break.
Like, where do you think this bloody Hartley Brewer is going to invite anyone on to talk about anything serious?
There's just no way.
So, you know, this is the only step on the ladder.
That's really nice of you to say so.
And if you want to find me, support me, I've got this really good new website designed by my friend Andrew.
He's done a fantastic job.
And it's james... www.james...
Dellingpole.co.uk I think.
I'm pretty sure it's that.
I wonder if I should check just now.
And also there is my sub stack which is well worth... oh yeah.
It is.
It's JamesDarlingpole.co.uk.
I always get confused between .com and .co.uk.
JamesDarlingpole.co.uk.
You can find all sorts of information about me, how to support me, and how to get adverts on the site.
I'm not just saying this.
People who've advertised with me say they've... because I suppose I've got a loyal audience who are interested in the products and are actually committed.
You get a lot of bang for your buck and also so Substack I think is my favorite platform at the moment.
You get early access to my to my podcast.
I'm now going to start delaying them quite a long time because I want people who support me, you know, I love it all my listeners, but I want people who support me to get value-added.
Otherwise, you know, anyone can freeload if I just put my stuff out the day I make it.
So please, please do support me on Substack.
I really appreciate it.
I do need it.
And also, if you don't want to do that, buy me a coffee.
