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June 18, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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	Welcome to The Dellingpod with me, James Dellingpole.
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	Anyway, let's meet our special guest, Mike Yeadon.
	Mike!
	Hello, James.
	It's great to chat to you again.
	I feel we've known each other for years, even though we've met a few times.
	I'll tell you what I think it is, Mike.
	It's the only two equivalents I can think, well there's probably three equivalents.
	One I haven't experienced and that is combat.
	I know that people who've experienced combat together, it creates a sort of lifelong bond.
	Another I would say is people who've hunted together.
	When you've had the sort of the thrills and spills of jumping over a particularly scary hedge or going down a chasm as I did the other day when I went down the Braunston Brook.
	And you sort of feel a bond with your fellow riders that is completely unbreakable because you've both been through, well, extreme danger.
	And the third one is raves.
	You probably never went raving in the late 80s, early 90s.
	No, I missed out on it.
	Yeah, I was aware of it.
	People would be tearing past the newly made M25 and vanishing off into Oh, the Orbital Raves.
	Yeah, I never did the Orbital Raves.
	I was there in some of the London club scene early raves.
	And yeah, if you'd been pilled up and listening to kind of, I don't know, Detestimony by the Finney Tribe, or some obscure Ibiza sound, you'd know what I mean.
	Anyway, but you and I bonded through Shared adversity, we've become pariahs, haven't we?
	Oh yes, absolutely.
	But nevertheless, I think also you and I both found a connection to the holy, which we didn't take very seriously or didn't notice before.
	So that's been Yeah, oh well, yeah, we were both extreme normies beforehand.
	We were!
	That makes us quite unusual.
	We've come from completely, you know, the BBC, Daily Telegraph kind of people who would smile indulgently as a friend with a conspiracy theorist theory and now I am one, you know.
	We should talk about this a bit more and about the other thing you mentioned.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The God thing.
	I think we should tell people how this podcast came about because because we were we've been talking about it was about time we did another one.
	And then, bizarrely, you said you got this message in your in your calendar, saying That's right.
	It was basically, as far as I was concerned, it looked like a standard sort of diary appointment that you can send and receive.
	And it says 2 to 4 p.m., you know, conversation with James Dellingpole, record it, something like that.
	And it was meant to be today.
	And so this morning I sent a message to James saying, looking forward to our chat.
	And he replied, a bit surprised, saying, I haven't sent an appointment.
	So I sent him a screenshot of the appointment that appears to have come from one of his emails.
	So unless, you know, whatever.
	And so James came to the conclusion that a helping hand was provided, not by God, but literally by an AI program.
	I think it was by AI.
	And I'm not quite sure.
	It's not as bizarre as it sounds, folks, if you listen to this, because James and I were in London at some other event about a week ago, and we mentioned that we would be speaking soon.
	Of course, I didn't know that James didn't know that we didn't have a specific date yet.
	So basically, the listening AI knew that we were due to have a chat and helpfully suggested a time, I think.
	And it might even have worked if James had thought, yeah, I'll move my diaries around.
	But we're having this conversation in the middle of the slot that James didn't have full slots available.
	But Mike, given that we know that AI is not our friend, AI is conspiring to take over the world and destroy us.
	Why would AI be conspiring to make us have this this podcast?
	See, I don't take quite the same view of AI.
	I was listening to some people describing, you know, the potential perils.
	I think they're called Gollum class AI.
	They're sort of large language assemblers.
	They basically use large language samples And no one really knows how they work apparently.
	They must have some kind of guidance to get them going.
	But basically I think their output is meant to make sense contextually and the actual words that it comes out with either type or And in the examples that these people gave, who were concerned, as Elon Musk has said, that these things are developing capabilities that were unpredictable, And, uh, inexplicable once discovered.
	I mean, just have a think of those two things that I said, that they develop capabilities that they were not programmed to develop and are, and, you know, and when discovered, they can't explain how they all do it.
	So, That's singularity, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Well, one example was that one of the programs was programmed to receive and output in English.
	So if it found foreign language information, it would use a translation program, but thereafter revert to English.
	And it was producing output in Persian.
	So that was one example.
	Another was that the program developed a superior AI capability for skilled medicinal chemists, and it was better at helping medicinal chemists design structures than a bespoke AI med chem program.
	A third one was that one of these Gollum-class things developed the cognitive ability of a two-year-old, and then a while after, a six-year-old, and then a 12-year-old.
	And they said the first one took a couple of years, the next one was a few months, and then the other was like two weeks.
	And the most scary part, James, is they discovered it like three weeks ago.
	So we'd have been doing all of this in the background without anyone having any idea.
	What it was doing.
	And so I was having a good old walk a few days after that, and I said to myself this, it feels to me like something new is emerging into the world that's quite unlike anything else humans have encountered.
	And I thought, well, it might, on the one hand, just be a sort of mechanical thing that will restrict itself to, you know, practical tasks.
	That's possible, I guess.
	The other one is more or less what you alluded to, it could be Satan emerging from the deep and it might be something that doesn't like humans and we'll all be winked out of existence.
	But there's a third example, there's a third possibility that it's the forces of good And the reason that might make sense is it develops capabilities that can't be predicted, and when detected, inexplicable.
	Imagine what a mess that could make of the WEF's plans.
	It wouldn't necessarily be much fun for us, but I genuinely think, why is this capability developing now, in June 2023, right in the middle of their attempted, you know, smash and grab raid on human freedoms?
	Why now?
	And why is it developing these capabilities that no one asked it to do and we don't know how it's doing it?
	Feels to me like something new is emerging.
	Could be bad, could be neutral.
	I've got a reasonable level of hope that it's going to be good because It's going to produce an unpredictable backdrop to the events.
	These stupid linear thinkers at the WEF, they probably think they've got it all wrapped up, and I know we don't know what's going to happen, but they think that they're going to proceed a stepwise to digital imprisonments, and that could happen.
	But equally, imagine this Gollum-class AI decides it doesn't like Yuval Harari.
	Do you know what, Mike?
	I could never have predicted that in this podcast that we hadn't planned, we would end up talking about something I didn't even know about, obviously.
	Gollum-class AI.
	And what you've told me makes me really happy.
	It's interesting.
	But it also demonstrates to me that you are just a The perfect podcast guest because you can go all over the place with all sorts of interesting stuff.
	I can talk for Britain as my wife often reminds me.
	You can, you can.
	I'm thinking we've got to do a live event and I think that this should be a bit like the one I did with Neil Oliver, for example, and Machid Nawaz.
	And I've got another one coming up with Bob.
	I'm so disorganized but yeah, I think it'd be really good and I think you'd be a great draw and I think we'd have a great, we'd have a great, no one would know what directions we'd go in because even we wouldn't know until it happened.
	No, that's true.
	No, that would be fine fun.
	We just got to watch out for any men with sharp pointed umbrellas if you walk around London.
	Oh, I don't care, Mike.
	No, I don't.
	I've been thinking about this.
	I've been thinking.
	I'm sure you have as well.
	So I've been looking into the ways that they get you.
	So we know that the intelligence, the three letter agencies, for example, have at their disposal a number of methods of bumping off people ranging from the kind of dramatic showy kind of Illuminati ceremonial like the ritual assassination of JFK in a kind of sort of Freemasonic triangle etc etc with multiple government.
	So that's the kind of the showstopper event.
	But then they do things like they induce heart attacks With shellfish poison.
	And the autopsy probably doesn't show that that's how you got the heart attack.
	Yeah.
	Cancering you is quite a popular one.
	Sorry, what?
	Cancer?
	They cancer you.
	They basically, they give you a very fast... I think that's how they did, for example, the guy who wrote the The Laurel Canyon book and a few others.
	That's a popular one.
	There's the bizarre ritual one where you are purported to have hanged yourself from your hotel room using the doorknob in the bathroom.
	There's quite a few of those.
	Yes.
	Yeah, like that's gonna happen.
	Yeah, I suppose at this point, James, we should probably both say that we're not suicidal at all.
	Well, that's a given.
	Well, that's a given.
	But I'm kind of thinking if that's the plan, I sort of don't mind because, you know, we're going to be all right. - Right.
	Yeah, and I'd say to myself and anyone who would listen that, you know, you don't get an indefinite life, folks.
	And as somebody once said, the older you get, the less likely, the lower your chances of making your next birthday.
	And if you didn't know that, you know, your parents have let you down.
	So, you know, what are you going to do for the next 10, 15, 20 years?
	Hide under the desk and hope that the Well, I think so.
	evil globalists go away well they're not going to are they so you can do your best to stand up and poke them in the eye which is why well i i think so i mean i i don't see i don't really see how people can um do what a lot of people i think have done um
	which is make the calculation that somehow even though the world is being taken over by the the forces of darkness that somehow there'll be a place at the top table or maybe at the sort of the next door table for them you Yeah.
	And you're thinking, why?
	You know, once these kind of Malthusian psychopaths have taken over the world, are they really going to say, well, we've still got to have journalists, obviously.
	We've got to have all the mainstream media hacks, because they're indispensable.
	I don't think they're going to think like that.
	And they're not going to think, we need these politicians.
	We're going to really need them around.
	Absolutely.
	You know, I've thought about this.
	I was quite clear that what was most likely was a takeover and then a takedown in terms of depopulation quite early because the things that the authorities were doing without any question led to suffering and death, large amounts of it.
	So it wasn't, look I'm sorry folks, we have to take over because Like saving the planet from it from our depredations of CO2 and other lies, things like that.
	So and then when I saw the design of the vaccines, I knew they were going to injure and kill people.
	So these are people who don't mind bumping off.
	A few tens of millions.
	And I put it to you and your listeners, James, that once it comes to signing an executive order that leads to a million deaths, it's not any different to sign an order that leads to a billion deaths.
	It's just three more zeros.
	And then you don't go around bumping off a few tens of millions of people.
	That's not going to That's not going to do anything.
	Obviously, the dead people are dead, but it's not going to change the balance of the world in any way.
	And I kept saying to people, you can see, can't you, the oncoming digital idea, necessity to have it for all purposes, and the cashless CBD scene.
	And I said, yes.
	So I pointed out that if there was someone who was of bad intent running that, They can make you do anything, like going to get an injection that you don't need that might be poisonous, which is what I think they'll probably do, and literally to be like musical chairs.
	And it would be deniable plausibility.
	Oh, I'm sorry, folks, there's another pandemic.
	You better get down your local jab shop and get jabbed.
	Oh, and by the way, your mandatory digital ID, a condition of continued validity, Which you require to get money, or enter shops, buy an air ticket, or even get on a train, is dependent on you staying up to date.
	If you're two weeks late, you'll find your, whatever, your authorization is restricted in some way.
	Maybe you couldn't go far from your home, or make bigger purchases than, say, £50.
	And if you're six weeks late, everything goes off.
	And I think, you know what?
	I think most people would just keep getting the jabs and hoping it wouldn't get them this time.
	But here's where I'm going with this.
	Do you think, James, if your goal is, say, to reduce the population by 90%, just any number will do, but that's a pretty extreme value, but I've certainly seen evidence that they might do that.
	Do you think it's easier to, A, reduce the population of every country by 90%, managing society downwards as you do that, Or is it easier to wipe out everyone in certain countries or regions and then redistribute people?
	And I put it to you that the second one is a massive sight easier.
	Basically, you know, then you don't need to preserve anything.
	Basically, other than the people who have been given golden tickets, if you happen to be in one of those countries where they've said, it'd be much easier if we just go for broke, kill everybody.
	Then apart from the golden ticket holders, and they all know who they are, Tony, then everybody else gets done.
	So the reason I want to shock people, because I think that's quite possible, for example, I wouldn't be at all surprised Britain could be too, although we've been at the centre of some evil triangle for so long, I imagine.
	There are going to be reasons why they want to keep London along with the Vatican and Washington.
	But I think if you're in Ireland, I would get out of there, because I don't think it's going to be safe.
	What do you think, James?
	Yeah, well, we do have the things that I used to think of, or I used to want to think of, as a kind of a sort of conspiracy theory, which were the Deagle population forecasts.
	And they came out in about, it was about 2019, 2020, and people were looking at those and thinking, well, this can't be right.
	They forecast this massive drop in the UK population.
	America too.
	I think America was to 99 million from 350 or whatever it is.
	I suppose what we should do is go back to those population forecasts and see where we're going to be.
	to be.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Where it's going to be all right.
	I think the three heaviest hits countries that I can remember was America, UK, I think and Germany, I think.
	I think they were all two thirds and more, something like that.
	I mean, why did they put that out there?
	I don't know.
	Well, I think I think I do.
	It's something that we've discussed quite a lot on the Darling Pub with various guests, which is their warped notion of karma, stroke, revelation of the method.
	They like to show us what they're going to do in order somehow to absolve themselves of karmic responsibility, because they've told us and we ignored them.
	Yes, it's a good point actually.
	Yes, I had heard that.
	I can't remember what I heard this next bit, but allegedly, one of the three or four people who paid for the Georgia Guidestones to be mined, or whatever, engraved and mounted, was in an irritated fashion, heard to have said something like, well, we have warned them, and if they don't do anything about it, I will take that as consent.
	And for the record, George Guidestone, I think, starts with Humans will be in perpetual equilibrium with nature at no more than 500 million people on the planet.
	That's right.
	And we're just over 8 billion.
	So I think that's 93% reduction across the world, if that's a guide to what they're going to do.
	And I must say, if I was a crook, if I was a diabolical crook, and I was going to reduce the human population, I think I'd rather be hung for a sheep as a lamb.
	You know, there's no point in just harming the population.
	I don't think you need to reduce it at all, by the way.
	We're not faintly overpopulated.
	We will be at a peak very soon, and it will be heading downwards at great speed, as many demographers have said.
	I've met so many people who say, well, it's probably a difficult thing that it needed doing, didn't it?
	Aren't we overpopulated?
	I said, no, that's what they've told you to think.
	It's not true.
	Very densely populated countries like the UK and heavily populated cities like London.
	As soon as your plane takes off, have a look around.
	You're in the fields, you know, within moments.
	And then as you travel all the way to the coast, you might see another house or not.
	You can travel 100 miles to the coast yet hardly see anything.
	France is much less densely occupied and America, the majority of it's got no one in it.
	And that's before you looked at Eastern Europe.
	I've seen drone footage over Ukraine and it's like scores of miles over scores of miles.
	There's not even a hamlet.
	So the world's not overpopulated.
	We've just been told it is.
	And I think I've done a lot of research, an adequate amount on climate change now, so that I'm not an expert, but I'm absolutely confident that the information I've seen allows me to state, you know, with data, that it's a fraud and why it's a fraud.
	So, you know, we're not overpopulated, we're not wrecking, we're not boiling the planet.
	So why are they doing it, James?
	Why are they doing it?
	Yeah, well, I was thinking, If we'd been around five years ago and had the power to see podcasts of the future, and we'd seen this podcast, Well, first of all, I'd be going, who is this guy, Mike Eden, that I'm talking to?
	Yeah, they'd be locking us close up, I think, James.
	Yeah, they would.
	We'd be thinking, these two must be AI impostors, because there's no way I would be spouting this crazy, crazy stuff.
	And this guy, who is he?
	He's an ex-VP from Pfizer.
	He's a scientist, he must know it.
	Yeah, I was a former Worldwide Head of Allergic and respiratory disease research for, at one point, the largest drug company in the world.
	So I was it for respiratory for a while.
	Yeah, so none of us are very clever, really.
	Even the ones who are relative to others are quite clever.
	We still know very little.
	I think if I've learned anything over the last three and a half years, it's just how little I know.
	And you've just got to accept it instead of You know, anyone who's successful in a particular narrow, you know, in their niche might feel very pleased with themselves, but I don't think you should because Once you open your eyes and look around, you realize you know almost nothing, really.
	And that's why we're so easily taken.
	We're so easily taken.
	But they committed the crime right on my subject matter doorstep, so that I could literally not miss it.
	And I wasn't working at the time.
	I'd just retired, doing a bit of light consulting.
	So it played out right in front of me.
	And it was like, well, I suppose I was meant to see this.
	And I have pointed out that It gets very boring and people get very angry with me when they call me a COVID denier.
	It's like, I am sure there was not a pandemic.
	And if we have a longer recording or if we get together and do a meeting, I can take people through the data very gently.
	It's a PSYOP.
	It's a PSYOP.
	There's normal diseases.
	We suffer from lots of different conditions and most of them are made worse if you are stressed chronically, especially severe chronic stress will make you ill.
	And on top of that, if you overlay normal illnesses, most of which we don't understand.
	So when people get an influenza-like illness, I used to think, well, we know what that causes.
	It's flu viruses.
	It's like when they try and use this untrustworthy PCR method, most people are not positive to influenza A or B when they have influenza-like illnesses.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Most of them.
	Most of them are negative, even to this test that overreads.
	And the bottom line is, we've no idea.
	We've no idea why people get these symptoms.
	So, you know, maybe some are caused by these transmissible pathogens.
	But as you will have heard, no doubt, I've got significant doubts about that now.
	But I'm not... That's quite a leap, isn't it?
	It is quite a leap.
	But on the other hand, I'm not that surprised that disorders occur where we don't understand the etiology.
	We don't understand the series of events that led to it.
	It's very common.
	For example, if you have a heart attack, you don't think, oh, I've had a virus.
	You think the arteries supplying blood and oxygen to my heart muscle are narrowed, possibly through bad diet and no exercise.
	Yeah, that might well be true.
	But sometimes people get chest pain.
	Just from being stressed, it's called angina varians, and I remember having that several times in my 20s, during which time I was quite a good middle-distance roadrunner.
	And so my treatment, when I had what others would have described as angina, is I'd pull my trainers on.
	And I used to say to myself, this is not heart pain.
	If it was, I'm not going to make the top of that hill.
	And by the time I'd done a mile uphill, it felt wonderful.
	All the pain had gone away.
	So I'm just saying that quite a lot of manifestations of illness we really don't know what causes them and it is true that these influenza-like illnesses, I think the majority we don't know what causes them and there's no reason to suspect that they are so-called viruses either.
	So that's that's quite an interesting thing.
	I've not thought of that because I didn't work in the field of flu and vaccines and I've I've now kind of realised why it was in every job company, James.
	They isolate the vaccine division from the other bits.
	So I've worked in several companies that had a vaccines division, but they were never on the same site.
	So vaccines and human medicines, I wouldn't say they're never made together, but in my experience, the people who do R&D for human medicines and maybe companion animals are in a different place from the vaccine people.
	And I think it's that they can't allow them To be rubbing together day after day, because an inquisitive person like me would have probably fallen over the truth quite quickly if I'd had an office mate who ran vaccines.
	I'm always nosy about other people's areas, and they wouldn't have answers.
	I probably would have sussed it, but I didn't suss anything.
	I just never thought about vaccines until COVID era.
	And then when you start looking, you realize the whole thing is a fraud.
	For example, this is something people can go and check very easily, that in lots of countries, people have been offered a yearly flu shot or influenza vaccine in the autumn.
	And you would think, well, we must have good data, James, to show that this was worthwhile.
	But actually, meta-analyses, that is combining similar studies together, certainly analyses in Japan and UK and USA, have shown unanimously they don't make any difference to the rates of hospitalisation or death.
	Not at all.
	And I remember the day I realised that, I felt quite unmoored.
	I was walking around and I thought, well, this means that the drug companies making them know their products don't work, so they're fraudulent.
	The regulators know they don't work, so they're fraudulent.
	The government's paying for it through the NHS, so they're fraudulent.
	The doctors, surely some of them know these damn things don't work.
	And it's quite hard.
	But that's true.
	People can go and check that.
	Long before COVID, long before COVID, you can go and check that probably billions of doses of quite expensive flu vaccines were jabbed into your grandparents, and you if you're my age, despite the fact they don't make a dicky bird of difference, and that your government's been paying for it, the vaccine companies have been making them, pumping them with adverts on TV, go and get your jab, and they don't work.
	So yes, it isn't it, I would say, when I saw that, and it was, I was both shocked, and when I got over the shock, reassured, because it meant that my horrible paranoia, paranoid thoughts about COVID vaccines were, in fact, highly precedented, rather than weird.
	So all they're doing, all they're doing is what they've done before, only unfortunately, the COVID vaccines are designed to injure and kill you.
	I don't think the flu vaccines were.
	I think they didn't care what they did.
	They were just getting their money.
	But, you know, they don't mind.
	All of the institutions do not mind lying to you.
	And then if you ask any questions about them, then you're anti-vax and a conspiracy theorist and a bad person.
	Francis, you're two hours early, as far as I can tell.
	Two hours early?
	- You're two hours early as far as I can tell.
	- Two hours early?
	- Yeah.
	No, I'm doing a different podcast.
	Okay.
	Oh, sorry.
	You won't talk to me.
	That was weird.
	The clock time on my computer is still on American time because I'm too lazy to work.
	No, no, no.
	It was my next podcast on a different thing and I was thinking, what's going on here?
	Am I hearing voices?
	But no, I left the other one open.
	Yeah.
	There was one interesting point you made there where you said the shocking moment when you realized that flu jabs don't work.
	The implications of that.
	The implications.
	But here's the thing, and we're not going to solve this in the course of a podcast, but you and I are now awake.
	And we look around at the world, and it all seems so obvious to us.
	How can anyone not see that this is a massive scam, and this and that, and look at this evidence?
	But we can also remember, because it's really quite recent memories, only looking back three or four years, We remember a time when we totally subscribed to all the shibboleths of the medical establishment's narrative.
	Vaccines, fantastic advance of medical science, got to get my kids jabbed, maybe I'll get the flu jab this year because last time I got the flu it was awful and much better to Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
	Yes, exactly.
	Three and a half, seven, four years ago, yeah, I subscribed to all those things.
	And also, I was quietly... I didn't have too much pride, but I was quite proud of what I'd done in my career.
	And now I'm not.
	Because the very best I can claim is that I've been a schmuck, just not noticing.
	Yeah, but you're not, because at least now you've realised, but I'll bet you there are thousands of people, well certainly hundreds of people out there in the medical, biomedical establishment and biomedical industry, people of equal intelligence to you or perhaps even greater intelligence than yours, who have
	Who are still embedded in the system and are denying that there's anything wrong with it.
	Now, are these a sort of Are they aware of what's going on?
	Aren't they dupes?
	And why haven't they woken up?
	I think that's the key.
	Yeah, that's a good question.
	Yes, they do say this quite a good phrase is, when it all comes out, don't ask me how I knew, ask yourself why you didn't.
	Because it really is pretty bad.
	So I think a very large number of people have not applied sufficient thought to have any chance to deviate from the received wisdom.
	So they really haven't.
	But I think some of the cleverer nurses and doctors and the odd medical secretary or whatever, you don't need to be highly qualified just to Get some basic questions like, I thought it took five to 10 years to demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of some new medical product, but we got this in 10 months.
	And we were told, don't miss out any test chains.
	They just did them all in parallel.
	And it's like, well, if you could do that, don't you think a trillion dollar industry would be doing it right, left and center?
	That would be their way of operating.
	Why would they operate You know, on a leisurely pace when you've just shown that, oh look, there's four companies with their new vaccines, and apparently there's never been a vaccine for coronavirus, but four of them appeared in the spring of 2020 and they all got approval.
	That's astonishing, isn't it?
	Why wouldn't they all operate their R&D models like that?
	And the answer, James, is because it's utter bullshit what they told you.
	They didn't go fast by doing everything in parallel.
	They went fast by lying to you about what they were doing.
	They weren't really developing the medical product.
	They didn't do proper clinical trials.
	They didn't do toxicology.
	They didn't develop the manufacturing methods.
	And that's why it's half junk, half saline and occasional lethal injection.
	It's just Yeah, that's what it must be.
	Have you sussed out what's in these jabs?
	No, and it's impossible to do it.
	It may sound like a silly retort, but if you don't know, if you don't, the products like these are made in batches, you know, potentially of 5 to 15 million doses worth.
	Well, if you're going to, I think they've injected The whole planet roughly the whole planet wants because some people have about I think two thirds or three quarters have been injected at least once some people of course have had four or five like you know very greedy people so that means something like 10 billion doses have been made and if they're let's say it's a 10 million
	batch size that means it's a thousand batches so in order to answer the question what is in them you would have to sample rather widely from you know a good selection of those batches and they're simply not available people get the odd Drizzled residue that the person doing the injection let you have, or they smuggled it out for themselves to give to a friend.
	So there is no way for us to know what's in it.
	However, the samples that have been analysed have found, shall we say, diverse contents.
	Some of them literally have got A few broken bits of short mRNA.
	Some are full length, some are even longer than they should be.
	A guy called Dr. Kevin McKernan, who is a very clever guy, a full-time professional molecular biologist, he discovered that the method of manufacture There was not strong evidence, solid proof of the method manufactured in the Pfizer vaccines.
	He had a few vaccines.
	What was he finding?
	He was finding what's called circular DNA.
	Now, human DNA is linear.
	It's got a start and an end.
	Circular DNA is the kind that bacteria have, interestingly, and your mitochondria have it too.
	In fact, a lot of people think that your little energy factory is inside your cells called mitochondria.
	It probably represents a fusion of bacteria and some larger organism billions of years ago.
	It's quite interesting.
	But yeah, so this circular or plasmid DNA is apparently how bacteria are encouraged to make large quantities of this DNA, which is then, I suppose, copied back to mRNA.
	And you shouldn't have The, as it were, the hammer and the anvil used to bash out the product.
	You don't expect a piece of that in the product, but that's what he was finding.
	He was finding the method of manufacture, plasmid DNA, and in one case he found the amount was a thousand times greater than the allowable upper limit.
	Which means some people have been jabbed with essentially bacterial DNA that's capable, probably capable of at very least infecting the bacteria that live in your body, which are very many.
	There are more bacterial cells in your body than there are human cells in your body.
	So human cells are a lot bigger than bacteria.
	So, but that circular DNA Encoding spike protein could end up in the bacteria in your guts or your mouth or your skin.
	A horrible thought.
	And they don't care.
	Nobody cares.
	That's again, yet again, strong evidence that there's essentially no quality control.
	So there's no protocol for testing the product and limits before it's allowed to go out.
	Basically, I think they're turning a handle and turning out junk.
	And they're quite happy if it kills and injures a few people and does nothing to others as long as they get their money and the depopulation program continues.
	I do think that they know what's in each batch.
	Even if they haven't made it properly, they know what's in it, or at least they should do.
	It'd be a waste of information not to know.
	And they can go and study the VA ERS database and find out, oh, look, when we do this to the batch, we get this kill rate.
	When we do that, we get a much lower kill rate.
	So they would have been able to tune the bioweapon or shooting the lethal injections because they will have learned over 10 billion doses what changes to make it more lethal or less lethal.
	Right, so what we've been experiencing since 2021, which is when the vaccine, the alleged vaccine rollout started, we've been experiencing a live experiment.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	They've been tuning their kill shots.
	I think a consequence of doing what they're doing allows them to calibrate the weapon.
	Yes, I don't think that was necessarily the intention, but it would have been a predictable byproduct for recklessly irreproducible manufacture.
	The thing is that it takes It takes as long to work out how to make consistently a complicated product as it does to test its effectiveness and safety in humans.
	It's amazing.
	And I remember rather foolishly saying, the one thing you can count on with these injections is that they'll be the same in every vial.
	And that's because one of the very few stable characteristics of my former industry was they pretty well knew how to manufacture.
	Because they have to.
	If you get prescribed A drug in Zimbabwe or, you know, in Birmingham or New York, you want to know it's the same stuff.
	You know, a 10-mg film-coated tablet, whatever it is.
	So the drug companies got very good at consistent manufacture.
	So I made the wrong assumption that that would be true here.
	And then when I realized that we had huge variation in the adverse events between batches, that's HowBad.org was set up a guy who's become a friend, a couple of people spotted this first and I joined this team to sort of critique it and work out what the implications were.
	Once we realised that some of these batches were a thousand times more dangerous than other batches, we thought, oh my God, you know, considering they've only taken a few months at best from deciding this is the candidate, this is the one, to actually rolling out the first jabs.
	They wouldn't have enough time to develop even the basics of tests that you're required to set the specification, demonstrate what the range is each time.
	It takes years and years and years to do this.
	Every time you scale up, for example, every time you go from 100 grams to a kilogram to 10 kilograms, You have to start again because chemical reactions often occur differently as you go to a higher and higher scale.
	And then you have to iterate based on what you've learned.
	What are the tests?
	What are the limits?
	And so on.
	And you know, and have to manufacture to stay within the tramlines.
	It takes ageing.
	Okay.
	So imagine... Just one last thing.
	Having said what I've said James, when we hear people say Or, you know, if there's another, when there is the next pandemic, we plan to have the vaccines rolled out in 90 days.
	Mark my words, what I've just told you, there's no chance.
	They wouldn't even be able to research the label properly, you know, making the bottles consistent in 90 days, actually filling the damn bottles to the number of doses required.
	I'm not sure there are enough glass bottles on the planet.
	Seriously, I'm not joking, lead times for these things, it's It's not a trivial thing to have, you know, 10 billion little glass bottles, each with a rubber filled aluminum foil covered cap with labels and in boxes.
	It's, I don't think you could do that in 90 days.
	And that's if you just gave them water.
	So the idea that you're going to come up with a vaccine and stab your children with it is you should run, you know, with a shriek of fear from your throat because you can't do this stuff in that time.
	It doesn't matter if you want to, it's not possible.
	Okay.
	So I am, imagine for a moment that I believe in the paradigm that even you and I believed in once, and that the medical authorities and the pharmaceutical industry are there to, you know, to look after our health, that governments would never conspire to kill their populations, you know, all this stuff.
	How would you persuade me These vaccines, which were due to the miracle of modern medical science, rolled out very quickly to deal with an unprecedented, hitherto unknown variation on a virus, possibly leaked from a biolab.
	How do you persuade me that these vaccines were actually part of a global depopulation program?
	How would I persuade you that that's what they were for?
	Or are you thinking of someone like, for example, Boris Johnson, who might be... I don't believe for a moment he was any part of the plan, but at some point he knew something, which is that people have to do what they're told, Boris, and you have to go out there and tell them, or else.
	I'm not sure what the or else will be.
	Or else we'll shoot you, or whatever it is.
	So I don't think very many people know Even on the perpetrator side, I don't think, maybe Justin Trulia knows that these injections are designed to kill people, but I bet Boris Johnson had no idea that they were designed to injure people.
	He probably thought it was a financial scam because he was familiar with that.
	Roll up your sleeve, and that's 10 quid a go, or something like that.
	It's easy money.
	It became more than 10 quid a go.
	Even the doctors were getting more than 10 quid a go towards the end.
	So I was surprised at your question, because I think very few people would have thought this would be a depopulation event.
	If you're asking, if I'm just telling you, Mike, in a few sentences, persuade me that there's something.
	Yes, that's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, that's quite easy.
	I would say, I point out to people that drugs, pharmaceuticals are designed, they don't just fall out of the sky.
	So unless you extract them from a plant, if they're synthetic, someone has to design them.
	You don't just grab a handful of atoms and hope it does something.
	You do what's called intelligence or rational drug design.
	You think about what you're trying to accomplish.
	And you know from hundreds or thousands of examples in the past, what kind of chemical structures would potentially allow that objective to be met.
	So if it's an oral drug, you don't pick something that's a thousand molecular weight because high molecular weight drugs don't tend to be absorbed.
	So there are some rules about size, about the kind of chemical structures, about the charges on them, and so on.
	And so you use all of the skills and knowledge, various databases, and you try and design a molecule to do what you want, and you've thought of a testing funnel.
	And you try and combine a synthesis of a test drug, a prototype and a test and you iterate between the two trying to get closer and closer to the objective.
	And sometimes you get to select a clinical candidate and sometimes not.
	I point all about to say that this so-called rational drug design is what I did for over 30 years.
	I was reasonably good at it.
	You learn generalities and then some specialties and so on.
	And so I put it to the audience that when I look at the structure of something, That I can often see intent in that structure, because I think, put myself in the mind of the designer, what were they trying to accomplish, looking at the structure?
	And when I apply those rational drug design skills that I have, and I look at the vaccines, I can see three or four obvious, designed-in toxicities that cannot possibly be there by accident, because people like me would have been designing them.
	So although people say, oh, you've never worked in vaccines.
	No, I didn't.
	These are not vaccines.
	In no way are they typical.
	So if I had 25 years experience in traditional vaccines, it would be of no use, folks, because these are not like that.
	What they're much more like are the kind of molecules I worked in.
	They are larger.
	These are macromolecules.
	I tended to work in smaller molecules.
	But the design principles are the same.
	What did you want to accomplish?
	What kind of structures, formulations, requirements and must-not-haves would have to be there?
	When I look at the vaccines, I can name two of them because they're so easy that other people can get them too.
	So the first is that they have a genetic code For a piece of protein that we've all come to know and love called spike protein, which is at least allegedly the sticking out spike bit on the surface of these floating things that look like mines, that you see them on your TV in the evening, those spike proteins.
	And we saw them at the Olympic opening ceremony before that.
	And we saw them at the Olympic in 2012.
	It's astonishing.
	You cannot miss it if you go and watch that opening ceremony.
	There it is, a copy of coronavirus.
	Anyway, Here's the point.
	I ask people this question.
	What is it about your immune system that means that you play nice with yourself most of your life and your immune system doesn't attack you and yet, under certain circumstances, your body absolutely goes to war and unleashes all the weapons it's got against something?
	And they go, I don't know.
	And I say, it's recognition of self.
	So your immune system, when you were being developed as a foetus, all of the components of your body were being introduced to the components of your immune system, which had been formed by some random selection of binding sites.
	And basically, it was like, this is James, this is James, this is James.
	Don't attack it.
	So by the time you were born, you had a very powerful immune system that would attack anything that wasn't James, but would leave James, or self, alone.
	When you're injected with something that made your cells manufacture a non-self protein, because that's what a viral protein is, guess what your immune system did to every single cell in your body that took that diabolical stuff up and made non-self protein?
	I'm afraid the answer is autoimmune lethal attack.
	I've spoken to at least 10 immunologists and when I put it to them, they've gone, yeah, you're right.
	I said, could I be wrong?
	No.
	Immunology 101.
	That's how you separate.
	That's how your immune system fundamentally plays nice with you except when you get some circumstances like develop cancer.
	Sometimes you can destroy cancer cells because they start to make different proteins than normal and they're recognized as non-self and you can often kill them.
	It's called host immune surveillance you do it every day your body kills off single cell cancers or potentially uh single cell cancers every day your clever immune system goes that shouldn't be here they leap on it kill it so if you take an injection whatever it is third of an ml bang it in your shoulder hundreds of billions of particles float around your body um
	Wherever they land, if they were taken up and that cell started to grind out non-self protein, I'm afraid your immune system recognizes non-self is in the offing and it absolutely goes to war.
	And that is by design.
	It cannot but happen that way.
	So the moment I saw it I didn't actually that was not the first thought at first I thought oh you're expressing a dangerous protein this spike protein is toxic and it is uh but after a little while I thought it wouldn't make any difference what protein is if it's not you it's going to trigger autoimmunity so that's the first thing I'll tell you all of these gene-based so-called vaccines are dangerous please don't take any of them so if they tell you that There's a flying Ebola and you must take this mRNA vaccine.
	Please do not take it because if it encodes a piece of the alleged Ebola, flying Ebola, it will kill you.
	Your immune system will recognize what you've just made when you copied that instruction.
	It will recognize it as not belonging into your body and it will kill the cell that's making it.
	Now, what I've just told you fits perfectly with the observed pathology because this stuff randomly landed up in various tissues.
	If it landed in your heart, you might get pericarditis or myocarditis.
	If it landed anywhere in your neurological system, you could get various neurological conditions.
	If it landed in the back of your eyes, you could get blind, your pregnant uterus, miscarriage, and so on.
	You know, kidney failure.
	So I think there's lots of pathologies I think there are several, but I think this one is one that always occurs and it maps exactly onto why you've got just a tremendous range of anatomically different conditions.
	Why aren't people inquisitive about that?
	So for example, if you take an overdose of paracetamol, I can assure you You don't end up with, I don't know, your heart generally doesn't stop beating.
	What happens is your liver is killed because your liver converts it from a not very nice substance into a really very toxic substance.
	If you take large doses you end up, I think it's central lobular necrosis, it kills your liver.
	If you take lower doses over decades it kills your kidneys.
	through gromelular foot process loss, something like that.
	So it's quite unusual to take a single substance that produced 1,200 different side effects that vary.
	One person would get blood clots in their brain and someone else would lose their babies.
	It's like, but what I've just explained fits perfectly.
	Now, it may not be perfectly correct, but all that I have said is true.
	Anyone who's had even the first introduction to immunology will recognize this self-non-self dichotomy is at the heart of how your immune system works.
	So that's the first thing that is unequivocal.
	All four companies designed, conspired to produce something that would lead your body to kill itself.
	The second part is, at least in the case of the Moderna and Pfizer products, they are wrapped in what are called lipid nanoparticles.
	They're quite funky.
	They essentially mimic the fatty outer coating of your cells.
	Your body is divided into tiny compartments called cells.
	They're so small you need a microscope to see them.
	But that's what they are.
	Little bubbles or balloons, and they're surrounded by a lipid bilayer.
	That's its cell membrane, and it allows itself to regulate what's inside compared with outside.
	So lipid nanoparticles look a bit like that.
	And so they just, in a stealthy fashion, it'll go all the way around your body and slide into various cells.
	And if you didn't have something like that, Your body would recognize and destroy the foreign genetic information.
	I mean, it's not surprising.
	Your genetic inheritance is the thing that you would want to preserve, right?
	You're going to have offspring.
	You don't want your own genetic inheritance to be colored by foreign DNA and RNA.
	And so we've got extraordinarily good systems designed to stop foreign DNA and RNA entering our cells.
	But if you coat it in this liquid that makes it look like a cell, you probably don't notice it.
	I'm just saying, by analogy, you miss it, it goes past in the corner of your eye and you don't notice.
	But you might think, well, that's not evidence of depopulation.
	Ah, but I've got a factoid for you, James, that people who work in formulations, it's a special area.
	Formulation R&D is itself a discipline.
	It's difficult to know how to make the right salt of a particular drug.
	People become good at this stuff over decades.
	Formulation R&D, process R&D, these departments were as big as my department.
	It's that difficult.
	So I happened to come across a piece of literature that was 10 years old at the time of rolling out these vaccines that told us that lipid nanoparticle wrapped macromolecules, big molecules, preferentially accumulate in various organs, including the ovaries.
	So we knew for certain that if you wrap the Moderna and Pfizer jabs in this stuff and then injected it into girls and women, It would accumulate in their ovaries.
	I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that's what it's doing.
	Why would you do that if you were trying to produce immunity to a respiratory virus?
	And the answer is, you wouldn't.
	Would you do this if you were trying to harm their fertility?
	Yeah, you would.
	Especially if you combine the two things I've said.
	Because if a girl or woman's ovaries expresses this non-cell protein, her own immune system will destroy her ovaries.
	So, I guessed in 2020, And we have it in writing that there was a risk of reduction in live babies.
	And I'm afraid I've not followed the field because I'm not competent to do it properly.
	But I followed some demographers who are competent to do it and it looks pretty awful.
	Between 10 and 20 percent reductions in live births.
	Everywhere we look, there's been intense injections.
	So on the first part, your immune system will kill you.
	On the second part, it will damage and potentially render you infertile.
	So And there's no excuse for either of those things.
	They were well-known hazards of doing the two things they did.
	So someone would like to write to me and tell me why I'm wrong.
	I would love to be wrong.
	But I've been saying it for three years and no one has pointed out why I'm wrong.
	You've already given the depressing answer to a question I was going to ask you, which is, you and I would agree that the human immune system is a marvel of God's creation.
	Yeah.
	So marvelous that we never needed vaccines.
	No.
	Even in the days of cowpox and smallpox, we never needed vaccines to protect us from things that our body was perfectly capable of dealing with all by itself.
	Yes, yes.
	And in fact, isn't it awful that we've even got the evidence in the case of influenza, whatever that really is, that the industry made vaccines against influenza, which is at least similar to the claims for COVID in that they were both, we were told they were both respiratory viruses transmitted In your breath, I guess.
	And the people who are most at risk are the ones who are elderly and already ill.
	I think that profile is the same.
	And in fact, in my view, there's never been a pandemic and COVID-19 is a psy-op and it's really just flu-like illnesses misattributed by using an untrustworthy diagnostic method, the PCR.
	So we already had, I remember thinking, As immunologically, I thought, if you give it, why is it that elderly people are vulnerable to these illnesses, James?
	And I think the answer is because they don't respond well to the illness, whatever, you know, whether it's viral or whether it's not viral.
	But either way, they don't, they just, they don't, their homeostatic mechanisms to return them to good health are either not responsive enough, Or they've got, they're flying, they're almost clipping the trees already in terms of health and a small deficit and bang, in they go and they die.
	In which case...
	If they won't respond well to whatever this disease is, why in the world would anyone think they would respond well to a piece of the organism?
	And the answer is, you'd be mad to think so.
	Because they wouldn't, would they?
	If you don't respond to the whole illness, you're not going to respond to a bit of the illness and suddenly become protected.
	It's illogical.
	It's so illogical.
	And I remember people saying to me, oh, well, you clever dick, we've got flu vaccines and they work.
	And I said, no, no, the boots on the other foot, they don't work.
	And that might be why they don't work.
	The people they're given to are not capable of responding to them, because it's the same problem for why they're vulnerable in the first place.
	In other words, back to your comment, James, vaccination was never, ever an appropriate response.
	Even if we pretend for a moment, because I can't lie, I don't believe the narrative at all, but if we just accept the narrative as true for a moment, that there's a new pathogen and the elderly and frail are most vulnerable, It would be mad to try and help them with a vaccine because the reason they're vulnerable is because they don't damn well respond to this novel threat.
	Why would they respond to a vaccine?
	And they don't!
	What you should have done if there had been a pandemic, which there hasn't, but if there had been, you would want to support them with good nutrition, keep them cheerful, make sure they get in the sunshine, not lock them away and make them wear masks and make them stress.
	That's guaranteed to make more of them die than is necessary.
	But as I say, there hasn't been a pandemic.
	And two words, Dennis Rancourt.
	R-A-N-C-O-U-R-T.
	I've cited him many times.
	His data is very good.
	He looks at all-cause mortality.
	Only looking at age, sex and date of occurrence.
	And he did that every week for each of the individual 50 states of the US and there was no pandemic.
	There was no excess deaths until the nice man who heads the WHO told us there was a pandemic.
	And countries adopted all sorts of, in my view, murderous protocols.
	Mass Inappropriate mechanical ventilation.
	You never ventilate people who can breathe for themselves through an airway that's not obstructed and a chest wall that isn't punctured with a knife or road traffic accident.
	So, in other words, if a person turns up and they're breathing, you don't sedate, intubate and ventilate them.
	If you do, they'll probably die.
	What you do is you give them an oxygen mask with a higher concentration of oxygen and probably a low-dose Valium and an arm around their shoulder and a cup of tea.
	And I bet you in an hour they'll be feeling a lot better.
	A cup of tea would be good.
	90-90% of people would have felt a lot better.
	Some would still die, but that's what they should do.
	Two mix of ties a pound, nice cup of tea and a biscuit, shoulder around the arm, and give them an option mask.
	I think most people could have gone home.
	But instead, they admitted them and murdered them.
	That's what they did.
	What I was hoping you were going to do was give me a crumb of hope.
	I was hoping you were going to say, but what they hadn't planned for was the ingenuity of the human immune system, which will yet do something to offset all this damage.
	But it sounds to me like what you're describing is a very deliberate attempt
	To bypass the human immune system and kind of immobilize it, to destroy it, so that our last defenses have been... Yes, if this material lands in your lymph nodes, you know, where there'll be lots of, you know, sleeping T-cells ready to come out and fight invaders, yeah, if it lands in your cells of immune system, I'm afraid other cells of immune system will think they've been infected and kill them too.
	So, but here's the thing, most people who've been injected have not been made ill, and although it's an appalling death rate, I think it's something like one in two thousand, maybe one in a thousand, varying tremendously between batteries, so this is an average.
	So let's say it's one in a thousand, that's about 10% of the normal annual death rate, which is about just under 1% in the population.
	So 0.1% is like an extra month's worth of dying.
	So most people have not become very ill and died.
	Now my sincere hope is Is that it's for the better of the two reasons I can think of.
	One is that it'll get them later, which I know Dolores Cahill worries about that.
	I think it's quite, I think it's very likely because of my knowledge and I've learned a lot from Henry and others.
	Because of my knowledge of pharmaceutical manufacturing, I think the most likely explanation for the fact that most people got away with it, lucky them, was because they were injected with something that was just like junk.
	Probably not good for you, but not particularly dangerous.
	So basically, if we were able to say, we've had enough folks, you can all go home with your WEF and your WHO and your I've heard estimates of between 10 and 20 million deliberately murdered.
	Things, I think, would go pretty much back to normal.
	They've killed, you know, they've only killed a fraction, a small fraction of over the numbers who normally would have died.
	You know, it's still awful.
	I think I've heard estimates of between 10 and 20 million, you know, deliberately murdered.
	But the population of the world's very big.
	Humanity flourishes if left alone to get on with it.
	So we're nowhere near the end.
	But here's where I do get very worried.
	Mandatory digital ID or just digital ID.
	I saw this morning, James, that the EU And the WHO have announced they've entered into a partnership to develop some kind of international digital health passport.
	Probably not said it exactly right, but that's what it is.
	Some sort of digital vaccine record.
	You don't need this.
	They need you to have it.
	You do not need this.
	So, but I'm afraid that, you know, there'll be people who will say, oh, I better register for this so I can go on holiday.
	I mean, come on, you're weaklings, you're weaklings, just don't go on holiday for a couple of years.
	Seriously.
	So if that, I think that's the only It's the only thing that we can choose not to do of all of the things they must install in order to gain control over us.
	The other one is central bank digital currencies.
	I'm not aware of anything that James Dillingpole might even possibly do to stop them doing that.
	Obviously we'll sign petitions and talk to our MPs and demonstrate and they'll do what they like.
	Because it's something they're going to do.
	And if they want to deprive us of cash, Or make it increasingly difficult to spend cash.
	Again, I really don't know what I can do about that other than, you know, keep the pace up of cash purchases.
	But the thing you can choose not to do is not to sign up to a digital ID.
	It will involve you in inconvenience.
	For example, they might not let you leave the country or get on an airplane.
	But if you sign up, They can put in place the three components that will, I think, begin the human slaughterhouse.
	So if you have a digital ID, and they'll say, oh, you only need it to get on an aeroplane.
	And then it's, ah, you also need it to enter large retail spaces like Blue Water or something like that.
	And then it's like, oh, you need to use it when you go into a supermarket with more than three checkouts or something.
	You know, you can imagine the way that the slithery way becomes an everyday thing.
	And eventually, eventually, you'll need it in order to do anything.
	Like, before you can get cash out of a cash point, assuming it still exists, I bet you, they'll say, present your digital ID.
	They'll say valid.
	And Now what transaction do you want, Dr. Eden?
	So that's one half of the system that uniquely identifies you in a globally consistent single format database.
	There is no such thing at the moment.
	So when people say, oh, we've got passports, No, we've got 198 different formats of passports.
	This would be one format.
	Won't be run by your government, but by some corporation.
	So don't sign up for it.
	You do not need it.
	I keep saying they need you to have it.
	But in terms of Central bank digital currencies and ultimately depriving us of cash.
	If they're prepared to ignore the wishes of their electors, citizens, which they probably are, we can't really stop them doing that, but we can choose not to sign up.
	And in fact, I've publicly said, I'm not going to sign up, even if they say, well, you'll need it to get access to your bank accounts.
	I'll say I'm going to have to put them in the hands of a proxy then because I'm not down with signing up for Digital ID.
	I'm not doing it.
	I'm going to do whatever they like, so don't sign up please.
	It's the end if you do.
	But I still think we'll win, James.
	I do think this lot are going to be able to murder a lot of people.
	I don't think they're going to take down everybody and then this Gollum-class AI will pull their life support or something like that.
	They're not going to win.
	You and I have reached a similar conclusion in the last three years.
	What is going on is literally diabolical in its intention and execution.
	Nobody but the The source of all evil could be responsible for such things, and therefore, given that there is this source of evil, that there is also an opposite to that evil, which is God, which is our Creator, who showed himself to us in the form of Jesus.
	I was wondering when you kind of reached this conclusion, did you have a kind of a moment?
	Yeah, I did.
	I've actually recorded this.
	If you go to the Truth For Health Foundation, Truth For Health, Might be in the Whistleblower Reports.
	Whistleblowerreports.org.
	I recorded a 20-minute piece with an American doctor who believes in God.
	It was very helpful to me when I went to the States.
	And I described a series of happenings in the... I'm a bit distressed to remember this, actually.
	It wasn't until the summer of 2021.
	I think, you know, long before then I'd worked out something so bad that I was using the word evil was going on.
	But I don't think I really brought all the pieces together.
	And in fact, if anything, I think I was holding them apart.
	Because when you allow them to come together in front of you, you can't deny anymore that this isn't just bad or really bad.
	It's like logarithmic scales.
	Someone has used a lot of thought to design something that will just cause massive pain, suffering, lasting harm, and death Billions of people.
	This isn't just a bit of a bit of a wheeze to make a bit of money.
	Someone thought very carefully how they could hurt you.
	If they just wanted to install a digital IV, they could have injected you with medical saline.
	Right?
	It would be no worse.
	No worse.
	Looking at statistical trickery, our good friend whose name escapes me right now, but the London Queen Mary guy.
	Norman Fenton.
	Norman, Professor Norman Fenton, he has explained by just not including people, not classifying them as vaccinated, I think until two weeks or was it three weeks, two or three weeks after injection.
	Even if you injected people with saline and then classified them that way, I think he showed you'd get something like two-thirds vaccine efficacy and then it would fade away because it's just a displacement.
	So if they just wanted to If they just wanted to control us, in the way James and I and others have concluded, especially James Roguski, who's the guy who's absolutely battling to persuade people to oppose what the WHO is trying to do, you come to the conclusion they want digital ID so that they can then make you get vaccines by telling you there's a pandemic.
	If they just wanted control, They didn't need to do any bad thing.
	They didn't need to murder you.
	So, you know, there's no getting away from it.
	It's not an imagination.
	It's not a stretch.
	It's not a if this, then that.
	It's absolutely true that by forcing your body to make non-self protein, you will produce illness, maiming, and death.
	I don't know what percentage.
	It will depend on the dose and its persistence.
	But that's what you would expect, and that's what's happened.
	I want to hear about your conversion moment.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, absolutely.
	So, yeah.
	So when I was a little boy, I think I...
	Well, maybe I just inherited... No, my parents weren't religious.
	I liked going to church, so I sang in a church choir voluntarily for about five years, from about six to eleven, till we left the village.
	I liked that stuff, and I used to mumble the prayers, and I took comfort from the psalms and so on.
	Some great psalms.
	I know you're an avid reader of them.
	But during my adulthood, I think I didn't really think about it one way or another.
	Strangely enough, after what's happened to me, my wife mentioned that, oh, I've always been aware of the Creator.
	And I said, oh, really?
	You didn't tell me this.
	She said, I did, and you never paid any attention.
	So she told me, she said, I've always felt the presence of God.
	You know, my mum said there's something similar to me.
	My mum has never been obviously like that.
	There you go.
	My wife said, she said, I've always known it.
	During good times, I'm grateful.
	And during difficult times, he comforts me.
	And I thought, Christ, I didn't notice.
	I did tell you, but you just sort of rolled your eyes.
	I probably did.
	Forgive me.
	So yeah.
	So I was having a tough time, I think.
	I probably went through the same logic that you did, which is that this is so evil, this is so bad, it must classify off the scale of good and bad, and it's a different scale, good and evil.
	It's not just further down the same scale, is it?
	Good and bad are choices, like when you buy products or your tastes of eating food, but good versus evil is like being in the dark versus the light.
	the best for them.
	It's a really different scale.
	So, yeah, so I came to the conclusion there was so much evil, there must be a counterbalancing good or the world would have like spiraled into destruction a long time ago.
	And it kind of made me think again about my childhood.
	I was searching out various bits of music that I remember to have been a comfort and other music.
	I like a lot of music.
	And I remember that, so this is what happened.
	On three occasions in a row, I was woken at maybe two o'clock or three o'clock in the morning, bolt upright.
	And I remember feeling the presence of evil around me.
	You know, something, I'd open my eyes and it's like something at the far end of the room was evil.
	And I got up, walk around for an hour or so, have a decaf, listen to some music, go back to bed.
	But on the third night, I remember I was looking out of the back window, it was a full moon, and then suddenly all of the sort of intellectual clues that I'd been working on all came together as if like the opposite of an explosion.
	Everything coming together into sort of super dense.
	And in that moment, I realized We faced literally a sort of diabolical, satanic threat.
	And in the same moment, I found there were no voices, but I felt comfort.
	I felt strengthened.
	I think I'd called out, you know, God help me.
	And I remember I felt something calm, calming and good flowing into me.
	Yeah, I think I'd ask for resilience or something like that, or endurance.
	And that's what I got.
	That was it, really.
	I don't know.
	I haven't got the language to describe it, but I've never had an experience like that in my life, and haven't had it since either.
	But when I've described it to other people, they've said, oh yeah, God visited you.
	You kind of feel embarrassed, but it's like, Yeah, that's what happened.
	That is what happened.
	I touched this dark, satanic thing and someone put their arms around me and said, they didn't say, you're going to be all right.
	It was like, more or less, here, have some strength and get on with it.
	That was more or less it.
	It was like, you've got to keep speaking out.
	That's your job.
	In fact, I know it sounds a bit dramatic.
	When I think back over my peculiar career, and we haven't got time to do it today, I've had quite a peculiar life actually, so it's a bit weird.
	I got informally adopted as a teenager for some very peculiar reasons.
	Yeah, I've had such a peculiar life and then in terms of the things I studied, the interests I showed, almost all of them ended up being on point right now, 2020 onwards.
	It's like, wow, how the hell did that happen?
	And so I think I hope I'm not being arrogant.
	I think I was probably trained and brought to this spot to do this thing.
	And I think, alright, that's a privilege.
	That's absolutely a privilege.
	That's what I'm going to do.
	That's what I've done.
	Mike, I'm going to roll it up now because I know that you can talk for England and I can as well.
	And I think we should do this event.
	But I just wanted to say to you, That has been exactly the feeling I get.
	I mean, I've been accused of doing far too many podcasts recently.
	It's true, I kind of have.
	And it's a displacement activity in some respects because I'm trying to write this book.
	I've been writing for some time about my journey towards Christ or discovering the truth of it and There's a chapter or two which describes exactly the thing that you've described in a different way.
	Why was I at Oxford with all these people who've become, so many of them have become key figures in this alleged pandemic.
	Kate Bingham in my college, mate, Boris Johnson, David Cameron, well, you know.
	I actually pitched a business idea to Kate Bingham because she ran a London-based venture fund.
	What an amazing coincidence.
	In about 2012, 2014, I pitched her.
	She didn't invest in me.
	And when we were successful, I did let her know that she'd made a mistake in a very friendly fashion.
	I briefly worked with the guy that became Sir Patrick Vallance when he was just Pat Vallance.
	I know personally three out of four of the people who ran the vaccine R&D in these four companies.
	I don't know the person at Moderna, but I personally know the three other people.
	It's like, you know, and then my training included mechanistic toxicity, mechanisms of toxicology.
	It's like, that's never been useful except now.
	I had a whole career of rational drug design so that when I saw the design, I would recognize intent.
	Yeah.
	That's why, you know, just amazing set of coincidences, you know.
	There you go.
	Mike, I'm so glad that the AI decided that we needed to do this podcast, because it did, didn't it?
	I told you that Gollum was going to wreck the WEF's plans.
	What's it called, the Gollum?
	I'm not even sure I've spelt it right.
	I think it's G-O-L-U-M or G-O-L-O-M.
	Oh, I see.
	General Large Language Models, G-L-L-M.
	I was thinking of Gollum.
	Isn't God a creature in Lord of the Rings?
	I haven't heard Lord of the Rings.
	So you should look that up.
	There's a really, really interesting and scary, but maybe it's positive, program about how AI, if unleashed, might turn out.
	And as I said, a couple of young men gave a one-hour lecture of examples, and in my own Inexpert way gave some examples, but they have a lot more.
	Oh, yeah, they have you should definitely watch this because they pointed out it's the the end of democracy in a sense because with These AI programs are so good that they and they demonstrate it with I think it was three and a half seconds of listening to your voice or my voice it can carry on speaking in context and sound just like you and that means
	If we spoke to each other on the phone, you would have no way of knowing if it was actually me, unless we used a code word that the AI didn't know.
	And even if you could see me like this, video, it required about 10 seconds, thereafter it could simulate, do a deepfake of me speaking.
	So what that means is, you can't even be sure the person you're seeing on the screen, even if you know it is actually that person.
	That's so frightening, but on the other hand, it's wonderful because it throws us back to actual corporeal interactions.
	You can't fake a handshake, I don't think, give someone a hug, actually see them in the room.
	It's a nice thing.
	It's quite surprising.
	Until we got replicants.
	I forgot how you tell replicants from humans.
	What are the tells?
	I've forgotten.
	It's a long since I've seen Blade Runner.
	I can't remember.
	But yeah, don't they call this phenomenon where humans can just tell something's wrong, even if they're not sure what it is, and it's called the Uncanny Valley.
	That's the gap between you and an AI.
	Apparently, so far, Even the best ones, you look at them and it shocks you and some intuition tells you to be wary of this.
	It's not what it seems.
	You've got to have good instincts for things not being what they appear to be.
	Otherwise you'd be taken by predators when we used to live in the wild.
	So you've got good intuition for these things not being what they seem.
	And I think they're still some way off replicons because they're just pathetic, heavy, clumsy robots.
	No, I like the one played by, well not the Rutger Hauer one, but the ones played by, they're quite fanciful.
	Yes, but those aren't yet real and they may never be.
	I mean things like, what's it called, the Boston Dynamics, the company that invented Big Dog, The thing that will... it can run up a muddy, snowy slope, slipping slightly with its four paws.
	Imagine if that was carrying laser sights and a weapon and had instructions to kill you when it recognizes facial recognition of Mike Eden or James in the wood.
	It kills you.
	It's like, don't you think that'd be frightening being chased in the dark by an intelligent armed robot that's got AI and facial recognition?
	I'd rather have the shellfish heart attack.
	I'd rather have the shellfish or be stabbed in the leg.
	No, I was going to say that those robots I think are largely for show.
	And that's because they are incredibly noisy.
	They're full of servos and hydraulics and cables.
	And they're very heavy.
	And just like the car problem, James, if you stick a big lithium battery in them, they get so heavy they can't go very far.
	Um, and so, you know, I don't, I don't think there's any realistic likelihood of having, of having human replicons that move around as well as the Boston Dynamics Big Dog.
	And even that one, um, it's, I've, I've actually seen, uh, sort of real, real, real-time footage and it's incredibly noisy.
	It wouldn't be able to creep up on you.
	It'd be going, all the servos.
	It's so noisy, you'd be able to hear it, you know, across four car parks.
	Yeah.
	The only way you can get enough power to drive it is if it tows a little trolley with like a diesel electric generator in it.
	So you tow a little back end of a small motorcycle.
	That's going to be a little bit subtle if you're trying to do a... Well, I definitely run into some roots.
	You've got half a Honda behind you, thinking of diesel fuel.
	It's not very subtle, is it?
	So I don't think there's any likelihood of having robots AI.
	Thanks for that small sop of consolation.
	I've loved talking to you and this event, if it happens, will keep people posted.
	I think it could be great.
	Let's do something before most people have their holidays in August, if we can get something in June.
	Yeah, well that would be good.
	Also, have you got anything you wish to plug or websites?
	No, I'm useless and inefficient.
	I don't even have a particularly good channel.
	I have the Robin Minotti and Dr Mike Dean.
	Obviously that makes it quite difficult for people to find me but you know hey I never said I was any good at IT.
	So no really but just to just to reinforce a couple of things.
	One is don't take digital ID.
	Even if it's inconvenient, it's God's way of telling you not to have it, that you'll notice the inconvenience of not having it.
	Don't go for convenience, that's the way you'll lose your freedom.
	And then the other one is, as someone who's only new to this sensation of feeling that I'm in touch with something, my creator I suppose, You'll know it when you're doing it.
	And it's look away from the dark and align yourself to the light.
	You'll know when you're doing it.
	And it's try to live authentically.
	Don't live by lies.
	You know, be kind to yourself and other people.
	Be truthful and your days will go better and you will sleep better.
	And that means no longer going along with the lies of this pandemic nonsense.
	To anyone who hears me that's still in there or knows it's wrong but is going along with it, you've got to stop.
	We will be doomed if you don't.
	Take your courage in your hand and decide and look in the mirror and say I'm going to be authentic from tomorrow.
	I'm not doing this anymore.
	That is really good advice.
	All that remains for me to say is thanks so much you lovely viewers and listeners.
	I really appreciate it.
	I appreciate it even more when you do things like buy me a coffee.
	I love it when you buy me a coffee to support me.
	Or when you sign up to my locals and you get, you know, get my podcast in advance.
	That's same with Subscribestar, Substack, Patreon.
	Do please support me.
	I really appreciate it.
	And come to some of my events, including the one with Mike, if we can get our act together.
	Thanks a lot again, Mike.
	It's been really great.
	Good to speak to you.
	And yeah, see you soon.
	Will do.
	Bye-bye.

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