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June 11, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Sandi Adams
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Anyway, Sandy Adams, it's great to have you back on the Dallying Pod.
And as I said to you before, one of the many things I love about you is that you come across like a normal, sane person rather than a kind of Froot Loop conspiracy theorist.
I think you're a kind of an ordinary person who's been mugged by reality.
And I loved, and lots of people loved, because it kind of went viral, didn't it?
You made a speech In, of all places, one of the bellies of the beast, Glastonbury Town Council.
I can't imagine maybe Totnes Town Council or Brighton Town Council, maybe Stroud Town Council might be similarly, insanely, insanely green eco.
But you, You explained what's really going on and what's behind all the net zero and the green stuff and the 15-minute cities and so on.
So tell us a bit about the story of that speech you gave.
Well, it came as an enormous surprise the next morning, because I had no idea it was even being filmed.
You know, the council filmed it from behind.
And, you know, had I known that I would have had five million views, I'd probably have warned something a little bit more becoming, because I looked like a womble, actually, because it was a very cold, wet night, and I'd got layers and layers of knitwear on, and I didn't really want to go.
You know what it's like.
And, you know, the community said, oh, please speak up.
Say something about 15-Minute Cities.
I went and I thought well I've only got three minutes because they have an egg timer and so I provided them with some documents as well and that was one of them was the net the absolute zero document and it I got there and loads of people had turned up at the chamber.
They had to turn a lot of them away because lots of people had come from other areas like Thetford and all over because they'd heard that we were speaking about 15-minute cities.
But it wasn't on the agenda, it was simply a three-minute slot.
A friend of mine had done a three minute slot on it and I thought, well she said what I was going to say.
So I'll just let rip because actually I've had history with the Town Council for the last 15 years, well 12 years I suppose.
And I've been head to head with the Mayor before on green policies and what have you.
And Agenda 21, trying to get him to understand what Agenda 2030 was.
So I just let rip and I don't know where it came from, but they didn't stop me.
That's the weirdest thing, is that it just continued and I managed to just speak for as long as I wanted.
After 16, I think 15 minutes, I'd said everything in a very condensed time and I'd almost truth-bombed them and they were in shock.
And because the net zero, the absolute zero document, you know, it's no flying out of the UK after 2029, no shipping in or out of the UK by 2029, no beef or lamb production.
And of course you've got a butcher on the town council, he's an independent.
And I said, you know, Steve, look, You know, they're not going to have beef or lamb after 2029.
What do you think of that?
And he's going, oh yeah, look.
So it was quite interesting, but they didn't get it.
And they're so, I cannot believe how indoctrinated the Greens are, because they couldn't make any, they thought I was absolutely barking mad.
And everything I've said was evidenced, you know.
And so at the end of it, they didn't do anything.
They were quite Rattled that so many people had turned up.
They were also rattled that it had gone around the world overnight.
And that obviously there's something in this, you know, but they didn't come back to us.
So we've just organized a meeting to explain net zero to them and anybody else wants to come along with climate scientists and what have you.
We've got two climate scientists.
We've got Aman Jabi from the States coming in to talk about the AI and where that's going.
And a chap called Ian Jarvis talking about 5G.
And it's going to be live streamed onto the internet.
And what will come of it, I don't know.
But it's another thing that will raise awareness about the daftness of the green agenda.
By the way, sorry, but let me interrupt you, Sandy.
I keep hearing a sort of popping noise.
Are you touching your computer or something?
No.
No, that's weird.
No.
Popping.
No, that's weird, no.
Hopping.
I can't hear you.
Yeah, that was my mic playing up.
Oh, right.
Well, it's not a deal-breaker.
I'm plagued with technical problems with this podcast.
It's almost like they're trying to ruin my podcast.
It's interesting what you say about, okay, so you mention Butcher, and he's looking at this document, which you'll be, would have been completely unaware, but just remind me what this document is, that by 2029 all these businesses are going to be closed down.
It's called the UK Fires Absolute Zero document.
It's been on my website for about three and a half years and it's only really kind of relevant now because it's all ramping up and it's post-Covid, it's all ramping up anyway.
So it was a white paper, it was kind of a white paper, almost like a think tank document commissioned by the UK government from
From Cambridge University, Oxford University, there was a think tank on climate change and they put it together as an action that would actually reduce carbon CO2 and they called it Absolute Zero because rather than Net Zero this is like going for the jugular and it was read in the House of Lords in 2017 ...and put as a priority to be implemented in the UK.
Ah, that detail I wasn't aware of.
It's in Hansard.
It's in Hansard.
It was read in the House of... because I checked it out because I thought I've really got to make sure that this isn't, you know, some document that somebody's made up, you know, you never know.
But it was actually read in Hansard by, oh God, I can't remember, one of the Lords who was really, really into climate change and his lady something or other, lady...
Lord Lady something or other.
Anyway, he read it out and made this massive deal about it and they voted on it and they said yes we need to implement this at the earliest opportunity.
So they voted in favour of it?
They voted in favour of it, indeed.
Do the Lords have the power to advance legislation in this way?
Do you know, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
Maybe I should be sure if I'm making noise about that document, but I'm pretty sure they've got a huge amount of sway, haven't they?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, I guess, look, I've seen the UK Fars document and I know exactly the problem that we are going to have persuading people that this stuff is real.
Because they will say, well, it's just, you know, think tanks, universities always produce... Okay, so we know that the government paid for it, which is indicative of something.
But people will say, well, they're always talking about these castles in the air, and it's not real, because no way would they close down import-export, no way would they close down... I mean, All the airports, I think, were going to be closed by 2029.
Between now and 2029, they've said, and this will be interesting, the proof is in the pudding, isn't it?
They're saying that from now until 2029, they're closing all airports except Manchester, Glasgow and London.
So we'll kind of know if that all starts to happen.
And I do believe that they're putting a lot of store into all this in the new COP conference they're having in the UAE.
Which is happening November, December.
It's quite a long conference.
And it's happening in the United Arab Emirates.
And they're really going to galvanize an awful lot of this kind of CO2 climate change stuff.
But you know and I know how these things work.
So what they'll do What they do do is is that they they put out this what initially seems like a discussion document then it gets it gets sort of validated by in the House of Lords and the House of Lords voters say yeah jolly good thing this is important and meanwhile Lots of people will go, yeah, but it's, you know, they're not serious about it.
It's not really going to happen.
And you've just fallen as the trap yourself.
You're saying, well, we're going to see what happens when they start closing the airports.
Well, by that stage, it'll be too late because it'll be a FETA complete.
And the window that we have to make people aware will have been closed because no one takes this stuff seriously until it happens.
And while it remains in the future, people will go, certainly the media will go and the man on the street will go, yeah, but this, come on, you know, there's loads of stuff coming out and it's not, I don't believe it.
Yeah, I mean, you can say that, but look at the Club of Rome reports.
They were the same thing.
They were a think tank.
And everything that the Club of Rome came out with that created the bones of Agenda 2030 has happened.
And that's where I'm coming from.
I'm looking at limits to growth.
I'm looking at our common future.
I'm looking at the first global revolution.
All of those were think tanks that created the bones of Agenda 21 at the time.
Which we've seen so much of it have come true.
Absolutely come true.
So what's the difference between those reports, those think tank reports, and this one?
Yes, I'm with you on this and it's interesting isn't it, that one of the things you mentioned, local Agenda 21, which was really launched at the Rio Earth Summit in 1992, which was essentially a plan to co-opt local government, wasn't it?
To sort of fill it with these ideologues who were completely on board with the, we must, to use one of their words, degrowth.
We must cut back on consumption in order to save the planet.
So now what you've got is a situation Where all over the country, not just in uber-woke places like Glastonbury, but pretty much every town council that you can name, you've got people who are fully on board with the Green Agenda and have an endless appetite for passing these measures which most local council taxpayers aren't aware of.
And you're now on a mission to wake people up before it's too late.
I've been on a mission for quite a while, but it's so hard, isn't it, James?
I mean, you know, people don't listen until it really affects them.
And I think that the pandemic, whatever you want to call it, woke a lot of people up.
And certainly the 15-minute cities and the, you know, the low emission zones, you know, the ULEZ stuff has all really played its part.
People are beginning to look at the deeper agenda, which is great.
But we've still got a long way to go.
We've still got a lot of people that don't get this at all.
The cost of living crisis is all engineered.
We know that.
What I've been looking at is the public-private partnerships.
I'm sure you know about this, but maybe a lot of the viewers don't.
But the public-private partnerships are literally transferring the power from our governments at a local level and it's going up to Westminster as well.
Because this plan was implemented at the Earth Summit to go from global to local.
So they used ICLEI, the International Committee for Environmental and Local initiatives.
They use that NGO to bring all the policies into our local councils.
And it's a bit like common purpose, if you like.
You're brainwashing everybody into thinking that we need to do this, that and the other in order to save the planet.
And they've operated it at a local level.
But what has happened, really, is that The transfer of power has gone, it's at an industrial level, it's, we're living under a corporatocracy, an oligarchy actually, but a lot of people don't realise, they don't realise that their town councils, their police forces, everything is now a for-profit corporation, you know, the NHS, everything is a for-profit corporation.
Yeah, the phrase, hold on, to pause you there, so the phrase public-private partnership, You're saying that it originates at the Rio Earth Summit?
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I know that the machine was put in motion for NGOs to literally take over town councils, district councils, with big money, big business.
When you say NGOs, what do you mean exactly?
Non-governmental organisations.
Like what?
Well, you've got some leadership programmes coming in.
Almost brainwashing people like, I can't remember their names, change agents if you like.
They come into local council and you don't know who they are but they're putting their influence in and they're shoring up local initiatives.
It might be a cycling initiative.
It might be some sort of hub where they talk about local leadership programs for young people.
But all of it is just like Common Purpose.
They come in and they literally change the mindset of people into believing all of this stuff about, you know, if you do this you'll save the planet and what have you.
Yes.
But it's bigger than that because you've got, on the higher level, what's happening now is that, I don't know whether it's happening in your area, but the regionalisation of the councils is happening.
So they call it Unitarianism.
They're making every council unitary.
It's happened in Somerset.
Mendip District Council has become much bigger.
It's enveloped about three or four other councils.
So they're bigger and they're moving the decision-making and eventually the idea is to get rid of town councils and create the Covenant of Smart City Mayors so that the town councils will disappear And they will be going towards, if you look it up, the Smart City Mayors Programme, or they call them the directly elected mayors.
They're actually in Parliament.
These mayors are in Parliament, but they're all shored up by public-private partnerships.
So the power is devolving from Government to the corporations, to the industrialists and at the end of the day the industrialists will actually own the world.
It won't be our government and it's replacing representational government with global governance, if you see what I mean.
Yes, I get global governance but what I'm What I really value in you is that you understand the mechanisms by which they enforce it because you've read the documents, including, let's just remind people who missed the last podcast that we did, that enormously thick document that you got hold of.
Remind me what it was called and how big it is?
That was published after the Earth Summit in 1992.
It was a couple of years after and it's called the Global Diversity Assessment and it really is huge and it's almost like an inventory and a management system of everything in our world.
And it took, I mean, it must have taken a long time to produce.
It must have been being produced way before the Earth Summit.
And I know it cost like three billion dollars to produce.
And it really is their plan.
It's almost like a blueprint of how to manage the Earth when they've captured it, basically.
Yes.
So just to make things clear.
Yeah.
Climate change, the environment as the pretext for doing all this stuff.
So their assumption is the world is doomed on its current trajectory.
It's all our fault.
Therefore, we need to take this radical, concerted, global action which should take place at a local level.
So, think global, act local.
These slogans tell us a lot.
Build back better.
This is not something that is just happening on your local council or my local council.
It's happening in America.
It's happening in Uruguay.
It's happening in every part of the world.
And this is why we keep getting told about the world is doomed, that this green message is being rammed home.
Because it is essential that everyone believes the mantra The Earth has a cancer, the cancer is man, stuff like that.
All these phrases that they've planted in our brain.
And that now we are seeing the fruits of this program which has been planned, well, before 1992.
So that's quite a long time away.
It reminds me of the Taliban.
It was around 1970.
That was around 1970.
In 90, around the, well, around 1970s, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was in the Trilateral Commission at the time, He re-invented, he re-launched the technocracy movement, which was, you know, from the 1930s.
And he re-launched it and said, you know, he wrote a book called America's Role in the Technocratic Age, which is really about the technocracy, you know, how we will literally move technocracy forward.
And he decided to At the time, it was around the time that Limits to Growth was written by the Club of Rome as a think tank document for the UN.
And that was all about, there's too many people on the planet, finite resources, there's not enough to go round, all of this.
This stuff, which is all based on very flawed computer models anyway.
And then you have people like Paul Ehrlich, as you know, sort of writing a book about the population bomb, which never went off.
So it all started again.
It relaunched itself in the 1970s.
And since then, there's been this march.
And of course, by the 20 years up to 90 or 22 years up to 1992, they'd got it all planned out.
You know, they'd done their homework and they knew how to roll it out.
Yes, that's what I meant.
I was going to say about the Taliban, this phrase they supposedly used, which is, you've got the watches, we've got the time.
These people, whoever they are, and maybe you can tell me about who you think they are, but these people who are controlling this agenda, They've planned this over decades.
I mean, as you say, the technocracy movement goes back to the 1930s.
It got revived in the 1970s.
You had the Brundtland Report.
I think that was the one that really sort of first put about the phrase, the word sustainability, which has since become another buzzword, which people think must be good because it's sustainable.
What's not to like about sustainable?
They've been So, these phrases and words have become part of the fabric of our culture, particularly our political culture, and they're used to persuade us that what is happening is necessary and good.
So, going back to the public-private partnerships, I seem to remember that this coincided with the It's a promulgation of another buzzword, which is stakeholders.
The idea that NGOs, you mentioned, that sort of campaigning charities, that all these organisations ought to have a say in every process, as though these were disinterested parties.
It's all shored up, underpinning everything is the stakeholders who really are, it's big business, it's impact investors.
I mean I find it so hard because it's a world that I don't understand.
What's an impact investor?
I've been reading about it and it's this whole thing of It's all tied up with the blockchain actually, and what these stakeholders are doing is they're investing in futures, future outcomes if you like.
It's a bit like a futures market, only they're dealing with non-fungible tokens on the blockchain.
So all of our, this is why the whole data thing is so important to them, is to get us Literally in with the CBDCs because then you're locked into digital transactions and this is what they're funneling everybody into is everything digital because then it can be monitored it can be data harvested and they've got this whole idea of the financialization of nature
Which, for me, is an aphenomenon, because basically, you know, nature, and there's always this thing about nature has got to be protected, it's finite, it's depleting, and it's because of us.
Without the ideology that normal people have, which is actually nature is abundant, it's beautiful, and the Creator gives, and the Creator gives for us.
And what their ideology is that it's finite.
We need to control it.
We need to control it now.
And they're creating these things called natural asset corporations who will own the countryside.
And this is all big business buying in.
People like British Airways and all sorts of people are buying large swathes of land in the UK.
British Airways?
Yeah, British Airways are doing it to offset their carbon.
I mean, it's all a nonsense, isn't it?
Well, that's interesting, isn't it?
Because, OK, so I've got friends in the... Somebody who advised, who advises banks, central banks, and sits on these high-level committees.
And he told me that The bank's already paving the way for a flight-free future by withholding funding from companies, for example, specializing in manufacturing aircraft parts.
So they are going to create this situation where soon it's going to be much, much harder for airlines to function.
And I wonder whether somebody The high ups at British Airways have been, well of course they would have been, they'd have been tipped the wink.
So they are preparing their business model for a post-flying future or very limited flying future.
So they're going to need other ways of... Other resources.
Other resources, yeah.
This is the thing, and if you look at... I'd encourage people to do their own research.
Look at natural asset classes.
They call it natural asset classes and natural asset corporations.
I don't know the difference, but all I know is that what they're trying to do is stop we, the people, from entering the countryside, because we've ruined it.
And so the big public-private partnerships, corporations, will own the rural areas, rural, you know, sort of woodlands and national parks and that sort of thing.
This is what they're aiming at.
And I did see, I did a talk last night in Birmingham and I was researching it before and I found a really amazing, you know, it's sort of like a a diagram of how they will carve up the the natural asset classes and it's things like you know they're going to financialize every every part of the countryside they're going to have people filming wildlife um so that you don't go into the countryside you you can watch it on
you know youtube or whatever you want to do you won't have access to the countryside foraging will be a thing of pus you will not be allowed to forage so forage you know mushrooms and berries will be financialized nuts will be fine you know anything in the countryside they want to financialize they'll financialize um Camping and glamping and all that kind of thing.
You'll be allowed to go on if you've got the money to pay for it and everything will be turned into a business.
They're turning the entire planet into a business with checks and balances and that's the problem.
It's not going to be run as in any democratic process whatsoever and those MPs in Westminster who are not supporting us at all and haven't for a long time, Their days are numbered as well, because these big industrialists that finance the NGOs will be in charge of everything.
Literally, it's a takeover of representational government.
And that's a real problem, because it's all under this commutarian corporate communism, which is a real problem.
Right, yes, that makes absolute sense.
I mean, the idea that we have representative government anyway, even now, is a nonsense, that they're all so controlled.
I mean, look at the way Andrew Bridgen has been treated by his 650 parliamentary colleagues none of them are supporting him you know he's he gets whispered whispered death threats by by certain whips um it's it's quite extraordinary because they've they've thrown in their lot with with big evil i suppose they've they've made the calculation that well look you know the world's going this way anyway
Who am I to stick my finger in the dike, as it were?
I may as well go along with it and take my Take my bribes my my free adrenochrome While while I can because because this is the way the world's going anyway So that they've been completely useless the town councils are on board with this program because they bought into the this is before we started
I was saying, yeah, good luck with your clash between informed climate scientists, if that's not a contradiction in terms, and green activists.
Because I've been engaged in this particular battle for 15 years.
And I know how it works.
I used to think at the beginning, All we've got to do is just reveal the facts.
Show them facts.
Demonstrate that polar bear populations have increased.
Demonstrate to them that the reason that some of those alleged sinking islands are sinking has nothing to do with rising sea levels.
That sea levels have remained really much the same.
This hard evidence Would open people's eyes and create a sort of public backlash.
You're telling us this, but actually the data says otherwise.
But what I've now understood is that, and another good example of this is the recent one of vaccine injuries, that the media is so utterly corrupt now, That they can repeat lies to us and gaslight us into ignoring the truth.
And the vaccine injuries are rare, the vaccines are safe and effective.
They've managed this with that.
They've been doing this for years with climate change.
So I don't see the facts.
It's worth you know it's a crazy idea and it's worth a try and it's just I think it's just a it's me just trying to get back at you know it's it's it may it's we're live streaming it it may raise awareness because people are waking up I think, I mean, your book that you brought out, what year was that?
Because I read it and I thought, wow, this is amazing.
That was about, yeah, it was about 2012, I think, Watermelon.
Yeah, 2012.
An early edition came out in 2011.
So good.
And in a way, you know, because I got it when I read it, because I was, I was reading, you know, Rosa Koray and Jean Vion and all those sort of people.
But I, I thought your book was amazing.
But I, you know, people weren't ready then and maybe, maybe they are now.
I don't know.
They weren't ready then.
Yeah.
You're right.
It's always difficult to call them.
I mean, it's a brilliant book.
Absolutely brilliant.
Do you know who an early reader of that book was?
He'll have read every word.
Michael Gove.
Really?
Oh yeah.
And I remember there was the moment when I knew he'd gone to the dark side was that we had this weekend In Somerset I think it was.
And I always loved seeing Gove because he was very busy man and it was hard to get quality time with him.
It was like seeing an old friend and bantering with him and stuff.
And even though he was I'm fully aware that the whole climate change thing is a scam.
Because it wasn't as though I didn't annotate all my claims extensively.
There were metrics to support all my claims about the green scare story that it isn't true.
And he just sort of did a complete U-turn and said, you know, well, the experts say blah, blah, blah, and I go with the scientists.
But I'd shown him that the science was corrupt and the scientists were corrupt and that the data was rigged and so on.
And he'd taken the decision.
So I wanted to ask you, actually, because I remember the first podcast of yours that I heard, or the first time I heard you, What was that?
Was that you or me?
I think that was a ping.
That was a notification that came up.
Sorry, I ought to turn them off.
OK.
Sorry.
You sort of speculated as to where it all came from.
Who are these people and who are they ultimately serving?
Well, it's hard to say.
You know, I look at the United Nations and I realize that there's a Luciferian sort of ideology running through that and it's godless.
And I know Maurice Strong, who set up the Earth Summit, was really trying to look at that.
He was encouraging the new age to sort of get involved with Agenda 21 and understanding the ideology that That, you know, we've all destroyed the planet and therefore we must somehow, you know, do X, Y and Z to save the planet.
And literally this whole communitarian thing, you know, came about.
And we know that communism is godless.
We know that, you know, there is something pure evil behind all this.
And, you know, I talked to Aman Jabi for a while, you know, he's this guy that worked in Silicon Valley, and he's gone deep down the rabbit hole with AI.
And he believes that there's there's an AI entity behind all this.
Which I find sort of a bit sinister.
I've no idea, but all I know is that it's a very evil force and good people will have to work very hard because we're almost at the densest part of what they call the Kali Yuga.
Which is really when we've reached the base, the base level of humanity.
And the only way is upwards.
So unfortunately, I don't know, all I know is it's the darkest evil that's ever encompassed this realm.
I'm with you.
Just tell me about the Kali Yuga.
I don't know anything about that.
The Kali Yuga, it comes from the Vedic tradition.
And it's a spiral down of the From the Golden Age, it spirals down to silver and copper and lead.
The basest one is lead, actually.
I think it's the basest one.
How do you know?
It's a 24,000-year cycle.
Then it spirals back up to the Golden Age.
We're about to go from lead right up to the Golden Age.
That would be lovely.
I can't.
I can't see it happening tomorrow.
Imagine the process is quite slow.
I would imagine.
If it's a 24,000 year cycle, yes, I would imagine it is.
I'm not going to live for 24,000 years, so I'm not going to... No, no, I think we're at the end of that 24,000 year cycle and apparently it's quite...
They say it's quite quick for it to start again because it's the end of that cycle and then it starts at year one again.
So some people are going to find this hard to swallow and they're going to... well, I hadn't heard of the Kali... Well, you know, it's only kind of like people that have studied the Vedic tradition.
Right, yeah.
But it does kind of make sense because we've, you know, Everything has spiralled so badly downwards and you think, well, is there any recovery from this?
You know, it's quite nice to think that it spirals back up again.
I don't know.
And that is, you know, one can say, well, that's a bit fluffy, that's a bit New Age.
I don't know, but I've sort of... Is that where you are, though?
You're not a Christian?
I'm not... A Christian?
A Christian?
Well, fundamentally I am actually.
I was brought up in a Christian tradition and I sort of, you know, when I was young I was confirmed and I read the Bible and I was, you know, at school.
It was quite a religious school.
And I've got a very firm Christian background and I do go to church.
I mean, I do.
I can't, you know, sometimes you almost need, you need that, you need some sort of base to be able to, you need a faith right now of something.
Otherwise I don't think I could get through, I don't think I could get through this.
Well I agree, I agree that we're in a spiritual war.
The reason I'm pressing you on this is because I know lots of lovely, lovely people who are not Christians, who are agnostic or even New Age.
And I know you mentioned the Luciferian project.
One of the elements in the Luciferian project is to abolish individual religions and replace them by a sort of world religion.
And And all the New Age, we know that the Luciferians have been promoting New Age thinking.
And I've noticed this, that there is a segment of the Awake movement, the Truth movement, which is being steered in a New Age-y direction, almost being co-opted by New Age thinking.
And in my view, as a Christian, This is a wrong alley because, I mean, if you believe as I do that this is a spiritual war between good and evil, that God is the creator, that he sent his only son Jesus to redeem us.
Then clearly any sort of siren voices luring us in other directions, though they may seem to be on our side, they're probably actually subtly supporting the very people that we're railing against now.
Mm.
I mean, I do believe that this whole sort of Mother Earth Gaia thing is all part of that sort of age religion that they're trying to push.
It's like, you know, the worship of Gaia.
And there's an awful lot of that where I live, for instance.
And yes, I mean, I believe that the Earth is an incredible thing, whatever it is, because it does, you know, the Creator, or whatever, whoever created that... God.
Created it and gave us dominion over it.
And that's in the Bible.
And it gives.
It gives all the time.
There is no finite resources.
It gives.
Oil is just something that flows.
It's abiotic.
You see, that's one of the things they've withheld from us.
And when you think about Standard Oil, Rockefeller, of course they'd tell us that.
Of course they'd lie to us about oil being a...
Well that, and the chap who invented the concept, M.K.
Hubbert, who was actually involved in the technocracy movement of the 1930s.
He was one of the main proponents of Technocracy Inc.
He was the CEO of Technocracy Inc.
So, basically, I mean, that's another story, and if you really want to know about the technocracy movement, because it is almost like a blueprint for now, that was in the 1930s, read Patrick Wood's brilliant book, Technocracy Rising, because that's where I suddenly woke up to that, and I thought, hang on, MK Hubbard, he started the technocracy movement, he was the peak oil man, you know, they're all in it, they're all in it together, aren't they?
They are all, yeah, it's a big club and we're not in it.
In the same way, so you and I know, and I hope our listeners will now know, that oil is not a scarce resource, it's actually abundant.
It's abundant.
The world is abundant.
We don't even need it anyway, because actually, if Tesla's discoveries hadn't been suppressed by the FBI, I think J. Edgar Hoover moved in, didn't he, and took all the patents and stuff, we'd have free energy.
And the key element in technocracy is it's about control of the energy.
That's how they win.
And you look at what's going on now, we're being told we can't use We've got to use fossil fuels because they're scarce resource.
We've got to use so-called renewables.
This crap technology, which is really expensive, which is being imposed on us by this technocratically, on the basis of a huge, huge lie, which is everywhere.
I mean, it's probably the dominant lie of our time, isn't it?
Climate change?
Yes, it is.
I think the finite thing, because actually Everything is infinite.
I mean, you look at the universe is infinite.
Numbers are infinite.
Everything is infinite.
And you look at the seasons, you know, things die off and everything comes back again.
And, you know, I said this on UK Column, I think it was, a couple of days ago.
When has an apple tree asked you for a credit card?
Never.
You know, it's not, you know, that is, we were given all of this beauty and all of this.
And they just seek to control it and make it a finite resource, or say it's a finite resource, so that they can just own everything.
And it's greed.
It's monumental greed.
And I don't know how we stop it.
I mean, I wish we had the answers.
I'm sure you don't have the answers.
I don't.
But all I know is that we are infinite, too.
And, you know, if this is the way it's panning out, this is the way it's panning out.
Maybe it's something that we all need to go through.
But I tell you what, I think there's nothing wrong with us opposing it and doing the best we can because What else can you do?
You've got to try.
I look at my granddaughters and I really want a world for them and that's the only thing that keeps me going but I don't have the answers I wish I did.
No, no, absolutely.
The charge I see sometimes laid at Christians is that, well, you know, you're passive because you're too much about, you're too trust the plan, you've got God to sort things out for you at the end.
No, that's not how it works.
Obviously, yeah, God is going to sort things out in the end, but in the meantime, It's our job to fight to the bitter end.
I mean, I don't see that those Christians who died in the arena for their faith were exactly passive.
They were making a pretty heroic statement, I would say, about the corrupt man-made, well, devil-made system.
They resisted in their way.
By the way, tell me about that weird room Oh gosh, yes.
It's in New York, in the UN building in New York, and it's a prayer room.
It's a room with a stained glass window at the end, a very abstract art stained glass window.
And in the centre of this room, there's no altar, but in the centre of this room is a massive block of, I think it's haematite.
It's some sort of rock that has got haematite in it, which is quite saturnic.
And it's a massive, it's a bit like the thing they have at the Hajj, you know, it's one, it looks a bit smaller.
Yes, that's it.
Yeah, but it's like black rock.
It's all connected, I'm sure.
Black Star, Bowie album, black rock.
They say it's for all faiths.
It's an interfaith place where you can worship any god that you want to worship.
So you could go in there and worship Satan.
They're quite happy with that, I think.
And this block apparently was given to them by the Swedish government.
And it's, you know, how true it is, I don't know, it's supposed to be 6.66 tons, you know, and it's there and it's the most godless, horrible looking place ever.
And because we know that they were heavily bound up with the Lucis Trust and, you know, which was the Lucifer Trust, you know, with their publishing company.
Who was they?
The UN, their publisher, the UN publishing company.
was called, is the Lucis Trust, which was Madame Blavatsky's publishing company.
And it was, it used to be called the Lucifer Trust up until 1921 when they changed it to the Lucifer Trust, to the Lucis Trust, because obviously it was too obvious that it was the Lucifer Trust.
Right, so the UN would have been the League of Nations?
Yes, the League of Nations and then the UN adopted the Lucis Trust after that, yeah.
So the UN's got associations with Madame Blavatsky?
Yeah.
And was it theosophical movements?
And I can't remember, I wish I had all my notes with me, but there is a, there's one of the United Nations, I don't know whether he was a, he was one of, he wasn't a Secretary General, he's quite big in the United Nations.
And he said, if you want to work at the United Nations, you have to swear allegiance to Lucifer.
I will find that quote and send it to you, because I was really shocked when I saw that.
I thought, oh my goodness, you know, it's that bad, is it?
You know, yeah.
Yes.
Well, this is the thing I noticed in my researches when I was putting together watermelons.
I read these documents, for example, the Club of Rome, where I think I quoted it on the last podcast we did, where they're absolutely up front.
I paraphrase, but we needed an excuse.
We needed something that would enable us to achieve our aims of taking over the world.
So we came upon climate change and the environment.
Oh yeah, that's the first global revolution, isn't it?
Page 115, where they say in searching for an enemy to unite humanity, because they were looking for enemies, they were looking for scapegoats, they were trying to work out how do we create the next enemy?
We don't have any because all the walls are over.
The wall had just come down in Berlin.
So there were no sort of beds under the bed.
So what they did was they said, you know, we came up with the idea that pollution, global warming, famine would fit the bill.
And we chose global warming.
It fitted the bill to create the crisis, so we do the whole problem, reaction, solution thing.
We could create a crisis where there would have to be a global response and this is it.
They always tell you what they're doing.
We do.
Because part of their understanding of karma is that if you tell your victims what you're going to do, And they don't act to defend themselves, then they deserve everything that's coming.
That's where we are.
And also, they seem to hate anything biological.
I mean, they're trying to replace everything.
Like, you know, they're twinning the metaverse, whether that'll work.
You know, I was talking to people last night and they said, look, the metaverse will fail because they're creating this alternative reality.
to get away from our reality and that you live everything through a virtual reality headset within your smart city apartment because the world will be so hideous you won't want to live in it.
But they hate, they're trying to create, everything is artificial which makes me think that they absolutely hate the biology They hate anything that's natural, biological, human, animal, whatever.
That's true.
They hate God's creation.
They do.
That's it.
It's God's creation.
They hate it.
They want to destroy it.
This is one of the things that always puzzled me when I first started looking into environmentalism.
For people who who claim to care about the planet, they do so much, so much damage to it.
You think about the birds and the bats that are destroyed by wind turbines.
On an industrial scale, and this has been pointed out again and again, and the best argument they can come up with, well, lots more birds die flying into plate glass windows.
Like, this makes it okay.
And all the forests cut down to to you know to um grow grow biofuels and you know to to the damage they do is not damage that you would expect to people who who love nature Look at the whales.
Their sonar is being disrupted by the offshore wind turbine.
Aren't these people supposed to like whales?
Wasn't that the deal a few years ago?
Well, they're using, again, they're using the fluffy animals, you know, the conservation of fluffy animals to bring in their hideous agenda.
They don't care that they're lying.
You know, I witnessed it down on the Somerset Levels in 2014 when they Deliberately flooded it, you know, Christopher Booker was there and he was talking and he said this is the deliberate flooding.
And I was helping Sam back and stuff.
And basically, you know, 65 square miles of Somerset was underwater.
And they said, you know, when you trace it back, it comes from the Ramsar Treaty for Wildlife conservation of birds.
And you just think, hang on a minute, but you know, I've seen deer floating down the river, parrot belly up, and I've seen all the wildlife, all the hedgerows underwater.
That would have killed so much wildlife.
How many ground nesting birds would have drowned?
Exactly, none of it makes sense.
Nothing they do makes sense because they're greedy, and they don't care, and they want to cancel God.
That's it.
That's it.
This is why, even though I think it's a bit of a sloppy book and a bit weird, but C.S.
Lewis's That Hideous Strength.
Have you read it?
No, I've not read that one.
I did read the Screwtape Letters which I thought was really emotional.
He's a very good Christian apologist.
So this is his sort of sci-fi novel and he understands that the project of these people ultimately is to replace God and it's been their project since at least the Tower of Babel.
And related to this is the idea that transhumanism, the idea that we can somehow, or at least that the chosen few can, live forever, is sort of in defiance of man's natural three score years and ten.
And that's what it's really all about, which is why they Another example I was thinking as you were talking about this was the pharmaceutical industry.
What does the pharmaceutical industry does?
It creates synthetic and frankly much poorer versions of the immune system.
It's designed to bypass the immune system.
What were these supposed vaccines doing?
They were supposed to be better than our God-given immune system and actually then they weren't.
They're the opposite.
They were much much worse.
So on every level they hate Yeah.
And the pharmaceuticals also use natural remedies and then turn them into pharmaceuticals.
A much, you know, a lesser version of the real thing.
So, you know, you'll find that they're trying to take over the CBD market now, you know, where cannabis has been a natural remedy for a long time.
You know, the one without the THC in it.
So, you know, you realise that they do, they turn everything into a synthetic.
Including the humans, you know, this whole thing about, you know, I was on the podcast for the Welsh mothers, you know, with the sex education that's going into schools.
And I did a lot of sort of research, because obviously it's very easy to make everybody sexless, you know, this whole transhumanism thing.
So you can actually morph everybody.
So the androgyny that they're promoting and the, you know, the sort of the intersex, not intersex, but getting rid of the word sex as well, getting rid of the male and female, is very handy if you're going to create a cyborg, isn't it?
And, you know, I did read this article where they're talking about a post-gender world.
And I thought, who the hell's going to live in a post-gender world, you know?
It's taking away that, the beauty of the male-female energy.
And how that works together, and how important it is for procreation, for everything.
Everything in nature is male and female.
So they want to destroy that, don't they?
I mean, plants are male and female.
Everything is male and female.
Well, you remember that Aldous Huxley, who I think some of us very foolishly thought of as our guy, was actually, I mean, his It was his brother, wasn't it, Julian Huxley?
Julian.
But they were all in with the... They were all in on it.
They were all technocrats.
They were all in on it.
And you remember in Brave New World, sex is not for... It's purely recreational.
It's not about... Humans are created in the lab, not through sexual reproduction.
Exactly.
Yeah, that's where they are going.
Well, I, um...
I just want to point out, I've been reading this, or re-reading this book, which I've had on my bookcase for a long time, and it's called United Nations Global Straightjacket.
You'd love this book.
Have you read it?
No, no, I can see the triangle.
This is written by a lovely lady called Joan Vion, who died in 2004, and she was a devout Christian, and she talks about all of this.
I mean, it's just the most amazing book.
And she went to every United Nations conference from 1994.
She woke up at the World Earth Summit but then at her own expense, she was a businesswoman, she went to all the conferences and she worked out exactly what they were doing.
And she has such an amazingly wonderful approach, easy to read approach to what they're doing and how evil it is.
And what was so sad is that she knew she was dying.
She died in 2004 from quite an aggressive breast cancer.
And so she only had 10 years of really putting this out there.
And she wrote this for us.
She said, I'm writing this for the people who are going to come after me, who will take up this torch, this baton.
And she called us end-time servants.
But I thought I'd just slip that in because she's amazing.
I mean, she puts it in such a wonderful way and she does relate it all back to the fact that they are trying to literally take away the ability of us to live in God's creation, yeah.
I'm definitely going to get that book, that sounds really good.
Sandy, where can people find your stuff and tell us where they can see it?
Is it UK Column who are going to do the live cast?
UK Column are going to do the live stream.
I was on UK Column yesterday, I think, and I'm still trying to get my podcasting together.
But my Twitter handle is at sandyadams2030.
I've got a website, which is sandyadams.net, which is still being updated because it got hacked.
And yeah, you can get me on sandyadamsatprotonmail.me, I think.
Oh, gosh.
Or best one is supersandy1215atgmail.com.
Yeah.
OK.
And yeah.
Sandy, I look forward to seeing you again at one of these.
You're doing a fantastic job and I really... Well, you are as well.
No, you're great.
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Thank you, James.
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Bless you.
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